WEBVTT - Part Two: The Black Bloc: It’s a Tactic, Not an Organization 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:02.880 Cool Media. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.000 Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did cool stuff? Your 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.400 weekly reminder that I have a podcast, You're twice weekly 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:12.680 reminder that I have a podcast. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:14.680 and I have a show, and it's about people who 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.159 do good things from my perspective, and you should just 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.439 all agree with my perspective. That's the whole point of 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:20.920 the show. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:21.800 That's why you're here. 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.200 One of your best intros. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:28.600 First, thank you, thank you. And someone who doesn't have 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:30.960 to agree with my position, but so far we seem 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.559 to be on a similar page is my guest Molly. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.800 Conger, Hi, Hey, glad to be back. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.239 And someone who is also on the call and is 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.640 my friend is my producer, Sophie Hi. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:44.599 Hi. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.199 Sophie Hi not. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:51.040 On the call, but listening before you, dear listener, is 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:52.680 our audio engineer Eva hi Eva. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.440 Wow, yeah, she gets the first listen. What a treat, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:59.160 I know, I know, that's first for it. Yeah, that's 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.360 uncut file is full of burps. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.640 Coughs, Yeah, actionable crimes. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:07.360 I didn't hear anything like that. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.399 I don't know what you're talking about. And our theme 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.319 music was written for us by unwoman and not listening 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:14.720 to her music would be a crime. 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:16.640 That's true. I think it's a federal felony. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.040 Yeah, so be a rebel and don't listen it. 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.959 No wait, oh no, I backed us into a corner. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:22.720 Oh no. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.120 Anyway, This is part two of a two parter about 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:32.680 the Black Bloc, a controversial and interesting tactic that has 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.640 existed since at least the very early eighties that is 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:41.920 worth paying attention to and worth understanding. And you know, 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:43.520 I actually need the history in order to do that. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:45.520 But I find it neat and you probably do too, 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.240 or you wouldn't be listening to history podcast. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:48.160 I'm learning a lot. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.360 Yeah, and if people don't know Mally conger Is, they'd 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.200 be very confusing, because then you're listening to part two 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.440 without part one. But Molly has a podcast called Weird 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:56.000 Little Guys. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.640 It's the opposite of this show, and it would make 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:00.200 me so happy if you would listen to it, or 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:01.960 at least download it on multiple apps. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:08.040 Yeah, there's no reason not to. So the Black block tactic, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.840 we talked about how it expressed itself in Germany before 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.680 there was an ultra globalization movement. The tactic looks different 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.840 in different places at different times. The Dutch squatters of 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.960 the nineteen eighties. They were like they we're not fucking 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.800 my ski masks. That's too much for us. They formed 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.720 the Black Helmet Brigade and showed up to every March. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.400 For a while, Dutch squatters were pretty limited in how 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.320 they'd fight cops. They were like pretty like not quite 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.639 at the German level of intensity or whatever. And then 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.640 in nineteen eighty five, a squadron named Hans Kock was 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.520 mysteriously found dead in police custody, and this was widely 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.799 believed to be police murder and at the very least 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.000 was neglect. They were like, ah, he was like drunk 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.280 or drugs or I don't know, he's just dead. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.200 Having absolutely zero information about the situation, I'm comfortable saying 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:55.280 that the police murdered him. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.200 The Oukham's raiser here, based on all of the times 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.839 this happens all over the place, is that they murdered him, 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:03.520 or they murdered him through a neglect. 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.400 They're responsible for his death. And I'm very comfortable with that. Yeah, 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.720 with saying that, not with that it happened. To hate 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:10.320 that it happened. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.800 Yes, So squatters were like, all right, you killed us. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.120 Were mad and they're like, we're not bringing out guns 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.200 because you don't want to just stand in the street 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:20.880 and shoot at each other. That's just like never a 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.960 good day, you know. But they sure started bringing out 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.480 molotov cocktails and things got spicier. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.120 Although okay, wait a second, hold on, So you said 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.800 they didn't want to bring guns, so they brought molotov cocktails. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.600 If you were listening to this in the United States 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.480 of America and did the National Firearms Act, a molotov 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.960 cocktail is a destructive device that was charged the same 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.560 as having a gun, So legally, a molotov cocktail is 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:48.280 a gun. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.040 Well, it's also worse than a gun because there's no 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:51.600 legal way to have one. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.560 Right, So just think about that. Yeah, just know that 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.600 that it is a federal gun crime. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:58.280 Well. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.600 See, this is important because the next pairgraph I have 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.680 is I'm really not trying to paint. This type of 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:08.040 escalation is inherently good or situation situationally appropriate in every environment. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.440 While the use of molotovs is illegal probably everywhere, I 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.760 feel like most states probably have a don't throw molotovs 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.280 at cops rule somewhere on the books. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.239 You know, I imagine there's probably half a dozen different 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:19.679 statutes you could charge that under. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.440 Yeah, the level of punishment for the act of throwing 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.040 a molotov is not the same around the world. When 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.640 I first went to Amsterdam, I met someone who got 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:36.160 out of spending seven months in a low security prison 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.080 for throwing a molotov at cops. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.880 I mean, if you're doing a cost benefit math, everyone's 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:43.560 math is different. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.200 Everyone's math will be different. And if you're in the States, 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:47.880 your math is real different. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:49.520 There's a lot more stuff on one side of that 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:50.159 equal sign. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.080 Yeah. Meanwhile, back at home, when I went to the 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.480 Netherlans for the first time, I met this person, a 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.719 non white anarchist named Roblos Ricos, which is a very 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.640 clever name, was spend seven years in prison for throwing 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:05.920 a rock at a cop. And so I'm like, yep, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.000 because every now and then the European anarchists will be like, oh, 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.560 you American anarchists don't do anything. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.120 I like, yeah, so, uh, it's different here. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:17.880 Crime is different here. Yeah. And also like I don't 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:19.920 know whatever, I'm not telling anyone what to do, but 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.839 I suspect that if people through all those that comps, 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:23.440 it would. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.120 What I mean, the Marines are already at play, okay, right. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:30.000 So I'm literally saying nothing about this. I'm just saying 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.760 the crime is a crime, and there's a. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.080 Different Streen saying this thing from the past was very 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.040 cool and me saying it would be so cool if 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.719 you did it now, right, just if the cops are listening. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.120 It's different. It's a serious cost benefit analysis that anyone 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.640 would need to make, and it might not be the 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.719 most effective way to try and solve problems. Okay. So 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.279 that's probably the most caveati section of this. Score a coward, no, no, no. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.359 But it's like, okay, just simply be transparent about it. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:58.880 It's it's not just to like I don't want to 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.840 get in trouble, right, But it's true, I don't want 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.680 to get in trouble. But it's also like I don't 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.240 want to get people in trouble. I do not want 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:11.320 to suggest to people what they should do. And that's 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:12.440 like almost why I was like, oh, I don't want 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.360 to talk about it because I don't want to say 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.440 anything about it, because I don't want to tell people 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.240 it's cool and good or that it's bad and counterproductive. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.200 You don't want to be the Jodie Foster to somebody's 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.360 John Hinckley. I get it. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.040 Yeah, makes nice symbolism when you draw it in art. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:28.920 We'll go with that. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.080 I have it on a shirt. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.640 Yeah. Yeah. So I've read in one place that the 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.480 anarchist punk scene of the eighties and nineties in the 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.640 US made occasional use of the black Block before it 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.200 broke on the world stage in nineteen ninety nine. I've 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.360 also read that the first one was nineteen ninety one, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.719 so not the eighties. I don't know which it's true, 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.640 but at first when I can tell you about it's 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.480 nineteen ninety one. It was assembled during the anti Desert 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.880 Storm protests in DC in nineteen ninety one, and they 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.360 were organized through the Love and Rage Anarchist Federation, which 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.520 put out a call for affinity groups, which we'll talk 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.599 more about later, but it's it's you and your friends 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:07.279 making your own decisions together, group to come in block. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.080 This was presumably inspired by the Autonomen's attack on neoliberalism, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.360 because that block, when they got together to protest Desert Storm, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.280 went to the World Bank Building and smashed all its windows. 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.720 Had it coming, I mean, what was the building wearing 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:22.080 I know, and it's like. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.880 One of these things where you're like, oh, it wasn't 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:25.800 even related to the protests, and like no, but they 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.160 sure are stripping all of the resources out of the 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:29.360 developing world. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:31.800 Which I think actually does have a lot to do 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:32.800 with the causes of war. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:38.880 Yeah, totally. And just to get a taste of how 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:43.480 political discourse and terminology has and hasn't shifted, I read 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.640 a lot of communicats and stuff and discourse from the 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.200 early nineties about this I was saying, and the early aughts, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.240 but I read an internal communicating not like an internal 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.400 like never published, you can find it online, but like 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:58.240 meant for discussion within people doing this. A communicate from 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.720 nineteen ninety two about a second block that had been 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:05.680 attempted on April fifth, either as it was a women's march, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.040 but I don't know if it was an anti war 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.240 march or not, if it was just a women's march. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.160 This block, one comments or felt, had not been as 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.920 much of a success. One reason behind it was the 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.000 lack of solidarity from male block organizers. There was also 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:24.000 women block organizers, and specifically the male block organizers didn't 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.440 have solidarity enough with the women organizers. Women in this 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.720 case spelled wimyn. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:30.880 Oh hell yeah, that's so early nineties. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.560 And the best part about it, from my point of view, 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:38.000 is that this word is both women and women because 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:42.240 it'll say A women came up and said the following 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.120 women and women are spelled the same es. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.800 They're taking man and men out of it, right, So 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.360 it's like, but then there's no distinguishing between singular and plural. 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.440 Right besides the article that precedes it. And what's also funny. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:55.760 I was like, I was telling this to my friend 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.360 while I was getting ready for this, and they were like, yeah, 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:02.160 why did we hate the O? Like, I get the 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.520 E in the A, but what's our problem with the O? 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:05.040 Wait? 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:06.120 What are they a place to O with? 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.640 I w I M y N. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:11.559 Why did they do that? 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:12.600 I don't know. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:14.840 I guess if you're gonna make up a new word, 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.120 you might as well go all in. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.760 But like, that's true, it looks kind of cool. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:19.840 Okay, now I need to know. 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.360 I know, and someone listening knows right in. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:28.239 If you're familiar with the etymology of these feminist neologisms 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:29.520 from the early nineties. 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.240 Because there was another one that I ran across more, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.480 which was w I M M I n oh. I 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.440 used to know more about the etymology of the words 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.199 like a woman and man and stuff because man used 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.439 to literally I think there was a different word. Where 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.120 was the word for man? 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:44.679 Right? 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:45.360 Like where wolf? 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:46.240 Yeah exactly? 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.040 Or where geld which is the money you had to 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.040 pay to someone's family if he murdered them. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:56.040 Oh shit, anyway, a more civilized time, So. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:57.960 We'll find out more about this situation. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:02.199 Yeah, get to the bottom just another time. So this 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.600 protester was like talking about how it was and wasn't 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.160 organized effectively. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.400 And honestly the men not pulling their way same as 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:10.960 it ever was. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.160 No, I know totally, and I like, I'm not even 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:14.760 trying to be like, oh they spelled words funny. I'm 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.120 like I'm trying to say, like everything's the same, right. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:18.800 And it's just like such a time capsule of the 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.800 early nineties, Like if you see women spelled that way, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.120 like you know where we are. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.199 Right totally, and like specifically they were like, hey, you 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.560 know there was a women's caucus that was you know, 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.040 part of this, and then like the organizing wasn't quite 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.160 structured enough in a way that it helped make the 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.440 men actually pay attention to the women's caucus. 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:40.240 Said, oh, the men weren't interested in the consensus based 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.760 decision making that involved the women. That's crazy, Margaret, that's 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:44.360 never happened. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.360 I know, but these are radicals, so I must have 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:47.160 been misreading it. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.720 I bet the men participated equally in making sure the 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.600 logistics like bathrooms and food and water were handled as well. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.560 Well. Those actually just take care of themselves. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.319 That's right, especially if you don't go to the women's 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:05.360 caucus where they meet about it. Nothing change diapers when 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.320 that zine got written and nothing has changed. 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:12.560 Nope, nope. So they talk about the structure in this. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.600 It's not just a like complaining about the following. They 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.640 talk about the structure. Block of any size is built 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.720 from affinity groups. An affinity group is basically a very 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.160 small organizing body, one that might easily be understood as 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.560 you and your few friends who make decisions together. Affinity 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.760 groups generally operate on consensus rather than voting what to do. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.200 The group does what everyone in the group agrees they 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.120 want to do together, which makes a lot of sense, 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.040 like for crime, right, if you're four or five friends. 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.920 This sounds like a conspiracy. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.320 Yeah, well, if you're hanging out with your friends, you 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.199 all have to eat, and you're like, what do you 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:46.320 want to do? You want to go to the beach 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.720 or do you want to go set that building on fire? 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.560 You can't vote that one, right, everyone has to be 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:54.600 down for the crime. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.240 If it's like, you know, four to one, we have 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:58.960 a majority, we're going to do the crime. The guy 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.439 who wanted to go to the beach, each. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.840 Like should probably be able to leave and go back. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:04.560 You should leave. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.439 Yeah. This is not a democracy, Yeah, exactly, it's a consensus. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.960 It's a we all want to agree to do this 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.680 or not. And so that's like how you build a 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.800 larger group that is made up of people operating on consensus, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.120 but not consensus of the larger group necessarily, but the 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:26.360 individuals involved are organized into smaller groups. And also makes 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:27.840 it really funny when they're like, who's the leader of 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.040 this and you're like, you fucking morons. Is this your 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:30.760 first day at work? 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:32.720 Do you charge of Antifa? 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.160 Yeah? Yeah, So you have three to fifteen people or 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.000 so who agree to go to a demonstration, to have 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.280 each other's backs, to go where the others go and 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.240 to not get broken up. These affinity groups then coordinate 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.680 with the other affinity groups on the street, and clearly 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.560 by the fact that they caucuses and stuff. They also 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.800 sometimes will have like representatives from affinity groups come and 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.320 talk about what they might want to do, which really 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.199 does sound like conspiracy. I actually don't think that that's 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.880 the way these are organized anymore. Like, really and genuinely 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:00.640 I don't think that this is time capsule shit. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.000 I was just saying, this is this is a relic 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.920 of things past. I mean, I've heard of things like this, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:11.000 but like in my understanding of this level of organization, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:16.160 those group representatives aren't coming together to then form consensus. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.439 They're just like letting y'all know, this is our hardline. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.839 Yeah, totally, this is like kind of direction we're thinking 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:27.280 about taking things. Where's everyone else feeling? Yeah, And one 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.800 demonstration with a black bloc, the nineteen ninety nine Carnival 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:35.480 against Capital in London, nine thousand masks were distributed ahead 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.320 of time. That's some infrastructure and that had a theme, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.000 and the masks had printed inside each one a message, 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.360 and that message quote those in authority fear the mask 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.760 for their power partly resides in identifying, stamping, and cataloging, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.000 in knowing who you are. Our masks are not to 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.440 conceal our identity, but to reveal it. Today we shall 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.720 give this resistance a face. For by putting on our masks, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.760 we reveal our unity, and by raising our voices in 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.240 the streets together we speak our anger at the facelessness 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:07.679 of power. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.400 That's a long message to be on the inside of 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:10.880 the masks. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.520 There's also multiple ellipses, and the version I found I 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:14.680 suspect it was longer. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.080 How was this like a piece of paper tucked inside? 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.920 Was it like sewn in? I need the logistics here, 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:25.360 Like what was the manufacturing process for nine thousand masks 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.560 with a whole paragraphic. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.040 The way it was described it was like printed inside. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.600 I'm like, was it like are they printing with like 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.320 a therma print where you can print. 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:36.440 On a tag? 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.840 Well, I was thinking like almost equivalent silkscreen, you know, 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.800 like a way to print onto fabric. It could have 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:43.080 been as. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.280 Somebody would have to be like manually turning these inside 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.520 out to get the message, like this is a process. Yes, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.720 I've never met an anarchist who could have pulled this off. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:51.440 I'm so sorry. 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.800 Late nineties built different into weird projects. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:01.560 Magpie just SAIDU them kids, No, at least a dozen 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.920 people had to have the same idea that they remained 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.760 committed to without disagreeing for like several weeks. 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.920 That's true. I will say one. I've been to a 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:16.120 demonstration where people took their school's resources to make thermoplastic 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.280 clear riot shields, to make hundreds of them by using 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.600 like industrial manufacturing processes. And there's also just the fact 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.680 that like on some level, like some people are actually 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:30.800 just like working class at work at factories and shit, you. 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.920 Know that's true. But like usually when you work at 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.880 a factory, you don't have access to just like using 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:36.480 the factory. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:37.080 That's true. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.720 I'm necessarily enjoying all the side comments. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.160 I need to see a picture of this. Is there a. 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.440 Picture I not that I have found? 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.640 There might be one, please, if you are a sixty 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.920 year old punk show it to me, please. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.440 I also think the Okham's raiser here is even though 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.960 it says printed on the inside, it might be that 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.160 there is a piece of paper inside. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.440 Right, there was like a little hand bill that was 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:01.600 handed to everyone as well. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.000 That's that is the most likely situation. 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.440 That's still very impressive that they were able to do this. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.600 I'm still very impressed, but I have questions. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.800 Yeah, fair enough, and also to walk back my kids 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.600 these days, the way that we're built different now is 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.600 substantially more confrontational and interesting to me. The twenty twenty 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.720 uprising was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:22.360 my life. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.280 I don't want the anarchist to think I'm making fun 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.120 of them. I am making you can make fun of 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:27.880 Them's fine, We're having a good time, though it is 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.640 out of love. Like I said, Yeah, oh. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.640 No, I'm just afraid of being like the old grouchy person. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.560 You were better in the anti globalization eraic we were. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.120 It's different. Things are just different now. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:42.680 Yeah, And do you know what, I don't have a 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.440 transition for it ads. 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.640 I hope that this ad is for some kind of 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.800 home screen printing setup where I could make nine thousand 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.360 masks with a weird poem inside. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:52.960 Hell, yeah, what poem did you picked? 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:53.160 Well? 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:54.400 I don't know. That had a sort of a poem 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.680 energy to it that like the message, the little sort 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.120 of beef vendetas sort of situation. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.720 It does have a very vief for Vendeva, although before 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.360 the movie came out, I would do with the and 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.159 or speech of soger Era being like, we are the 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.440 thing that explodes when there's too much friction in the air. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.960 It's beautiful. Yeah, I hope it's an advertisment for something 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:12.720 I can use to make nine thousand masks. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:19.400 Yeah, and here's that ad and rebec. I'm actually particularly 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.040 excited about the way that you can use someone gambling 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.840 to print onto masks. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.440 Mine would be from this pub that I just googled 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:29.720 that is called. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:30.320 I Like Dogs. 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:36.280 I like dogs, big dogs, little dogs, old dogs, puppy dogs, 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.680 a dog that is barking over the hill, a dog 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.240 that is dreaming very still, a dog that is running 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:44.400 whenever he will. 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:46.680 I like dogs. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.639 And it's by a person called Margaret wise Brown, who 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:50.920 I have no idea who they are and if they're 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:51.320 good or not. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.280 Who Margaret wise Brown is? 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.640