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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the wake of the

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Speaker 1: slaughters of four beautiful young students University Idaho. Right now

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Speaker 1: we're wandering has the killer returned to the scene of

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Speaker 1: the crime? I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and series

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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: information of a white vehicle that was in the area

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Speaker 1: for a two eleven to twenty thirteen and the Elantra.

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Speaker 1: So any assistance you can give us, anybody that owns one,

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Speaker 1: Don't you know that the actual owner of that Elantra

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Speaker 1: all of our guests, let me go straight out to

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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonnah joining US director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at Cold Case Foundation dot org.

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Speaker 1: I found him on the interview room online. Chris, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you specifically about video that you

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Speaker 1: found of a newscast. There's a reporter standing out in

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Speaker 1: the snow and directly behind eleven twenty two King the

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Speaker 1: Tell me what you saw on that video that you

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Speaker 1: happen to catch. Well, you know what, Nancy. After talking

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Speaker 1: remember Scott Peterson. I can't remember if this is before

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Speaker 1: don't understand Cheryl McCall I'm joining me, forensic expert, founder

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Speaker 1: We've seen it a lot. I've seen it in my

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Speaker 1: Yes there is. Guys, you're hearing doctor Prea Banerjee, Board

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Speaker 1: certified forensic pathologist. You can find her an anchor forensic

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Speaker 1: pathology dot com. You were also hearing Delle Carson, high

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Speaker 1: who are really good with knives, and we're gonna find

425
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Speaker 1: that that's a gear. Much has been made about a

426
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Speaker 1: group of students that were saying in the background on

427
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: bodycam footage. There's a lot of online sleuths, Hey, I'm

428
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: not knocking them. I'm not knocking them at all that

429
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: have had a lot of questions about that group. Take

430
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Speaker 1: a listen to this, Hey, Moscow Place Necker. Meanwhile, Inside

431
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: Edition has obtained this bodycam video taken on the night

432
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Speaker 1: of the murders a short distance from the house. It's

433
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Speaker 1: one thing to drink in a department point on con

434
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: see you, So I think for us to drive by

435
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Speaker 1: and see you, guys absolutely stumbled down the problem. Three

436
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: freshmen were cited for underage drinking the time three fifteen am.

437
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: Police say the murders could have been taking place at

438
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Speaker 1: that very moment. The three were sited near the Sigma

439
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: Kai fraternity, where Ethan Shapen and Zana Cronodle attended a party.

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00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: Look how close it is to the murder house. As

441
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, you can look through the Sigma

442
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: Kai window and look directly into the murder scene. That

443
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Speaker 1: was our friend Les Trent with Inside Edition. Now listen

444
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: to Crime Online. Moscow, Idaho police recently released bodycam footage

445
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: of plane closed officers as they made a stop of

446
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: three University of Idaho students for suspected underage drinking at

447
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: about two fifty am November thirteenth, as they were walking

448
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: across a field off Taylor Avenue in between the Sigma

449
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: Kai frat house and the girl's rental home. If you

450
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: look closely, several people can be seen walking in the

451
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: background of the police bodycam video. It was taken near

452
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: the King Road home where the students were killed in

453
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: their sleep on November thirteenth, at about the same time

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Speaker 1: this bodycam video was shot. Police have previously said investigators

455
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: found nothing of evidentiary value on the bodycam videos, but

456
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: it remains unclear whether they've identified or interviewed the people

457
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Speaker 1: walking in the background. So far, police aren't commenting. Chriss

458
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: mcdonna joining me, host of the interview room. Now, you

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00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: indicated to me that you believe these people stumbling around

460
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Speaker 1: did not appear to be coming from the murder Saint

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Speaker 1: eleven twenty two King. Is that correct, Yes, right man?

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Speaker 1: It looks like they're coming from apparently there was a

463
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Speaker 1: party at that shame, you know, that was just kind

464
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: of breaking up around zero three hundred, and it looks

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00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: like they're coming down Taylor Street, passed those officers who

466
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: were sitting in that apartment complex directly across from the banfield,

467
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: so the path of entry is directly up into the

468
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Speaker 1: twenty two the target house. Show that road in front

469
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Speaker 1: of the house. Those individuals are not They do not

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Speaker 1: appear to be on that particular road coming from the area.

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Speaker 1: Even so, Chris mcdonne, wouldn't you don't you think it

472
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: would be important to track them down and every line

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Speaker 1: down that was at the particular party you're describing to

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00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: find out what, if anything they saw that night. Yeah,

475
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: and that's one hundred percent accurate and Nancy, And but

476
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: what is really interesting is there's now information floating around

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Speaker 1: if you, you know, isolate the sound on the officers

478
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Speaker 1: body camera. People are saying that they're hearing things that

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Speaker 1: potentially could be coming from that house that's such as

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00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: stop it sounds. You know, I was digging into it

481
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Speaker 1: last night and I've actually asked for the body camera

482
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: to hear it my shell so I can isolate it.

483
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: So it's interesting there's something going on behind that that

484
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: sound that excuse me, the officer's voice there, you can

485
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: hear other things in the background, the ambient noise, and

486
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like the reporter looking over

487
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: his shoulder and saying, hey, that looks like a white car.

488
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be something behind that audio. Well,

489
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: you know what, Cheryl McCallum, it may be nothing, but

490
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: it could absolutely be something, no question about it. And

491
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you even if something's not there, that's important too.

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00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: So if we don't hear screams, if we don't see

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Speaker 1: that car, if we don't see anybody fighting, or you know,

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00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: more kids walking in groups, that's important as well. When

495
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: you're in any kind of search, what is there and

496
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: what is not there is both critical information crime stories.

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Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace Dell Carson joining side of Jackson All

498
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Speaker 1: former FBI agent now lawyer Dale, they've caught to enhance

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00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: that bodycam footage as well as tried down every single

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00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: person they can from that party. Anything could count. That's

501
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: exactly right, and you have real time footage about the

502
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: time the murder may have taken place. So if you

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00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: can effectively enhance it with the bureaus certainly has that capability.

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00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: Then you may be able to see images developed that

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00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: we wouldn't know the wise know about. They may include

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00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: the white car, they may include individuals we just don't know.

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00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: At this point, we now learn that police are doubling

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00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: back on individuals they had previously cleared. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to Captain Roger Lanier. They have reinterviewed some of the

510
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: folks we've interviewed earlier in this investigation to clarify information.

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00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes when new information comes forward, the people that we've

512
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: spoken to beforehand may have new insight on that. So

513
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: it does often seem like we're backtracking, but we're really

514
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: just trying to get the most important details and the

515
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: best timeline that we can come up with. I find

516
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: that very significant or brand that they are doubling back

517
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: on people that they had previously cleared and requestioning them.

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00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: What if anything, do you make of it? RV. Well, Nancy,

519
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: with thirty years of investigating cases, I can tell you

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00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: that the longer than an investigation goes on, the more

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00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: often you do this, people, potential witnesses, potential suspects will

522
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: give more information with each interview because some people just

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00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: actually you know, remember to say things that they didn't

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00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: they didn't think of before. So it is standard the

525
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: longer an investigation goes on for investigators to do this.

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Speaker 1: I don't find it out of the ordinary at all. Either.

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Speaker 1: I've got to say, Cheryl, as you well know, we

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00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: would double back, or at least I would and speak

529
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: to witnesses over and over and over. And that is

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00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: not schooling them about what to say on the stand.

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Speaker 1: That's helping me to understand what questions I need to

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00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: ask and clarify things or things as or have just

533
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: pointed out we didn't think of to start with. And

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00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: that's true for the person talking to law enforcement too.

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00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: If you say to somebody, did you you know what

536
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: happened that morning, and they just tell you their normal

537
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: routine and what happened. But if you go back and

538
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: say did you see anything unusual days leading up to

539
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: the murders, then they may say, you know, I saw

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00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: this car driving real slow a lot. So people will

541
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: remember things and they will answer, and you know this

542
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: there anybody, Nancy, what you ask them? A lot of

543
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: times witnesses will not answer what you don't askin they'll say, well,

544
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: nobody ever asked me about the white van or the

545
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: orange Mustang, so you have to go back. But there's

546
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: another side to all of this. Yeah, the other side

547
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: to all of this is that you're looking for variations

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Speaker 1: in testimony, and it surprises me that they wouldn't take

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00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: sworn half of davits from each of the people that

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00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: they removed from possibility so that they can compare those

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00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: two and see if there's someone who's lying. Oh, we

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00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: know they did, Dale, and that's a very good point

553
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: for all we know they did. Another fact that has

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00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: reared its head. It's a possibility that the girls were

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00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: adding locks to their individual doors. Take a lessen to

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00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: less trip inside edition. Did the bedroom doors of the

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00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: four murdered University of Idaho students have electronic locks like this?

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00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: A former tenant posted this photo and says all six

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00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: bedrooms had combination locks. It's believe the students had a

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00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: lock on their door similar to this. This is a

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Speaker 1: keypad lock. I'm at AAA Architectural Hardware in Manhattan with

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Speaker 1: Richard Brown, who is the owner. Are these things reliable?

563
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: They're very reliable when they're installed properly and when they're

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00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: used properly. You pressed the code that was preprogrammed in,

565
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: pushed down on the lever handle, opened the door, and

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Speaker 1: then closed the door behind you, and it shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: like Okay, let me understand. Joining me is Dave Matt

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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter and anyone on the

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Speaker 1: panel jump in. You may have covered this on the

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Speaker 1: interview room and Cheryl, you and I were talking about

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Speaker 1: this soft camera. Dave, what do we know about one

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Speaker 1: of the girls in the home. Remember there were six people,

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00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: five girls that lived in the home. Five one had

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00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: moved out. Her name was on the lease before that

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Speaker 1: term started. She wasn't there. There were two downstairs, there

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00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: were two other girls, and then there was of course Ethan.

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Speaker 1: So what do we know about them adding locks to

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Speaker 1: their doors? And did each door have a code, a

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00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: coded lock? What, if anything do we know? Dave? What

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00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: we do know each door, each bedroom door had a

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Speaker 1: coded keypad lock. Also, we know that one week before

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Speaker 1: the murders, Zanna Cronodle's dad actually was asked by Zannah

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Speaker 1: to come up and fix the lock on her door.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if he fixed it by installing a

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00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: new one. They haven't said, but we know that one

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00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: week before the killing, he was up there working on

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00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: the lock, which means it wasn't working properly a week

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00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: before this all happened. We know that oftentimes in situations

589
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: like this, where you have a number of people coming

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Speaker 1: into a home, that sometimes those codes, the key codes

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00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: for the different rooms get shared. Somebody who had been

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00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: there before might have had access to that key code

593
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: and was able to punch it and go in Wow.

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00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: We do know, as Dave Mack just pointed out that

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Speaker 1: one of the dads had been there repairing a lock.

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Speaker 1: I believe was that, mister Cronodle, Is that what you said? Yes, ma'am,

597
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: so Zanna needed her lock fixed. And that's critical. That's critical,

598
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: Nancy to understand. Go ahead, jump in because I'm trying

599
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: to figure out if all the bedroom doors had digital locks, right,

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Speaker 1: because obviously what that's going to tell us now is

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00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: a little bit about you know, the victimology as well

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00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: as the suspectology. Here, can I tell you where that

603
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: information came from? We learned that a previous tenant told

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Speaker 1: Fox Digital that he had lived there and he had

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Speaker 1: a coded lock on his door, like all the other bedrooms.

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Speaker 1: That's how we found that out. Go ahead, Well, so

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00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: what it's going to also indicate for us is, you know,

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Speaker 1: what's the familiarity to that house to the suspect, you know,

609
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: coming into that house, and you know, to the point

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Speaker 1: a moment ago, did that individual have access to these

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Speaker 1: coaches n F show. That might give us some understanding

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Speaker 1: as to why the two girls potentially on the bottom

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00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: the suspect did not have access to their rooms. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: if it's a programmable lock, those those numbers can be changed,

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Speaker 1: you know, rapidly. I think this is a big deal,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. I know you're hearing Chris mcdonna speaking and

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Speaker 1: what they've actuate. But the fact that each door, according

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00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: to a former tenant, had a digital coded lock on

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Speaker 1: the door, unless like so many people, they put in one, two,

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Speaker 1: three four or something like that, I mean that changes things, Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: It changes everything, And it also changes what I've said

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Speaker 1: from the beginning that dog was put in a room.

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Speaker 1: Oh are you back on the dog? Yes, what you said,

624
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Speaker 1: did the killer put a dog in a round? Yes?

625
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: But Nancy, but there clearly well right now, I know, okay,

626
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: code door had a code what how in the hey

627
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: did this person and yes it's a guy know the

628
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: codes or did he? But that's what I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 1: that French or suspect Pool. Yes, because again, if you've

630
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Speaker 1: got somebody that knows three bedroom code, I challenge you

631
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Speaker 1: the next time you join me not to bring up

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Speaker 1: the dog. I'm not saying that it's not significant. I'm

633
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Speaker 1: just saying you've told me like four times the dog

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Speaker 1: was in a room. I know the dog was in

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Speaker 1: the room. The best witness I ever put on the

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Speaker 1: stand wasn't dog. And I wish Yes, that was a

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Speaker 1: great day in my life. Last thing, guys, for today,

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear I cut one sixty seven

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Speaker 1: Captain Roger Lannier Moscow final Lightest want to add that

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Speaker 1: we do have a lot of information and we are

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Speaker 1: specifically keeping that information safe. We're not releasing specific details

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Speaker 1: because we do not want to compromise this investigation. It's

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Speaker 1: what we must do. We owe that to the families

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Speaker 1: and we owe that to the victims. We want more

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Speaker 1: than just an arrest, we want a conviction. We owe

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Speaker 1: that justice. Susannah Cayley Madison and Ethan I want an

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Speaker 1: arrest and I want a conviction that I can hold

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Speaker 1: on appeal. But are they really keeping evidence close to

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Speaker 1: the vest? Do they have evidence they're keeping close to

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Speaker 1: the vest? We wait as justice and false. Goodbye to