1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: and there's Charles W Chuck Bryan over there, and Jerry's 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: right over there. Uh, Internet speaking wise, and this is 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Stuff you should Know, a special holiday edition that comes 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: out on the holiday. Chuck, Now, is this can we 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: call this a holiday? Yeah? Groundhog Day is definitely a holiday. 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: Are you not a pagan? Well no, I just thought 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: holidays meant like work. You don't work in businesses, clothes. 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: I there's gotta be somebody that's closed on groundhog Day. Well, 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: I bet certain people in a certain town. Well, actually 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: they're probably everything's open because they're they're just doing this 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: to make money, right. They would be total fools if 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I always close on groundhog Day. I 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: didn't think that through. So um, yeah, we'll get to 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: that town in a little bit. But first, Chuck, let's 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: talk about groundhogs themselves. Because if you don't know what 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: groundhog Day is, don't worry. This isn't one of those 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: ones where we need to define it for you. Just 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: kick back and relax and like, let us guide you 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: down the river of knowledge. Okay right. Uh. Groundhogs a 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: k a. Wood Chuck's podcast. Whistle pigs another name they are, 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: uh you know what they are? There, beautiful? Um. They 24 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: weigh twelve or fifteen pounds. They live. Put a pin 25 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: in this stat They live six to eight years. That 26 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: will come back later. They eat veggies and fruits. They're 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: called whistle pigs sometimes because they whistle if they're scared 28 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: or if they're looking for a mate. It's more of 29 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: a chirping sound to me. Yeah, but chirping pigs is 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: not as fun as whistle pig. That explains that high 31 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: end bourbon. Though I had no idea why it was 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: called whistle pig, but it's named after ground. Whistle pig. 33 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: Is that high end? Yeah, it's pretty good. Okay, it's 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: the kind they keep behind the counter. Well, it's on 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: my shelf. I don't drink a lot of bourbon. But oh, 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: we'll go turn it up right now while we're recording. 37 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: Tell us what you think. All right, I'm back and 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm hammered everyone. Uh. They can climb trees, they can swim, 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: and they hibernate in late fall. And this is kind 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: of one of the important parts of wood chucks and 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: groundhogs and how they figure in the groundhog day. They 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: hibernate in the fall and their body temperatures drop, that 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: heartbeat slows down from eight to about five beats a minute, 44 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: they lose a lot of body fat, and then the 45 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: males in February come out and say, who wants to 46 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: do it? Right? What's crazy, though, is when they come out, 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: they don't actually do it. They more like make plans 48 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: for later. It's they're nervous. It's really weird. And the 49 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: reason why they do this they literally break hibernation, which 50 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: can kill them if they do it wrong and the 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: timing is wrong or they don't have enough body fat 52 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: stow it up. They do it because groundhogs are so 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: ornerary toward one another. They're really territorial about their food 54 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: supply and their burrow that they've probably made a lot 55 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: of enemies and heard a lot of feelings over the 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: past year. So they come out in February to basically 57 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: be like, hey, how about you and I just bury 58 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: the hatchet and I'm gonna go back to sleep for 59 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: a few more weeks. But when I come out, we'll 60 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: totally do it, and I'm going to bury something out 61 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: and oh my god, and uh they do. There's some 62 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: sort of agreement, uh, and they see each other a 63 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: few weeks later. The groundhog goes back to his burrow 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: and then he comes out for good. He finishes hybridating 65 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: in March, and then the the groundhog fornication can begin 66 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: forth with post taste. And that nuts. That's how ordnery 67 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: they are. They have to come out and make plans 68 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: for later. Yeah, they need a which is that chill 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: time in between two to really gather themselves and make 70 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: sure they're up for it. So that's super cute. That's 71 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: a nice little primer on who these little beasts are. 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: But this is about Groundhog Day, the holiday where America 73 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: shuts down, government doesn't do business, the banks are closed. 74 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: Can't buy a piece of gum to save your life. 75 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: Oh man, if only so, get that gum on February one, everybody, right. 76 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: But sometime between that point um between when America became 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: a place and seven, someone looked at the groundhog and 78 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: this little hibernation thing that they did, and they said, 79 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: you know what, we also have this weird tradition that 80 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: we're going to explain a second, where we like to 81 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: try and predict when to plant crops and what the 82 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: weather is going to do here towards the end of 83 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: winter in the spring. And let's mash that up into 84 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: a weird, weird day to honor this little thing. And 85 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: that's Groundhog Day. That's where it came from. It's a 86 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: couple of weird traditions, like you said, mashed together. And 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: the other weird tradition UM in addition to the groundhog 88 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: coming out UH in February, is UM. This this tradition 89 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: of February two being observed as UM kind of this 90 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: indicator of how much winter is going to be left. 91 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: And it's based on an astronomical event called the cross 92 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: quarter day, which was observed by the ancient Celts the 93 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: Pagans I mentioned earlier. UM and cross quarter days are 94 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: pretty interesting and that it's a it's a day of 95 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: the year, and there's four of them that fall between 96 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: a solstice and an equinox. And UM, do you have 97 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: a solstice is where the sun is either at the 98 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: most northerly or southernly part of the sky, UM, depending 99 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: on what hemisphere you're in. So it's either summer or 100 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: winter solstice. And then the equinox is where the equator 101 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: of the Earth in the equator of the Sun are 102 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: on an equal plane. Just for a minute, just for 103 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: a moment, I should say, um, and you have your 104 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: vernal or spring and autumnal fall equinox. Um. So those 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: are four quarter dates, and then in between those are 106 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 1: four cross quarter dates that carve up the I guess 107 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: the year even further. And to the ancient Celts, it 108 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: seems like to them the cross quarter dates weren't the 109 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 1: midway point of anything. They were the beginning point, whereas 110 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: to us the quarter dates, the solstices, and the equinox 111 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: are the beginning of the seasons. The Celts didn't see 112 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: it that way, and so they really celebrated the cross 113 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: quarter dates. Yeah, it's kind of like I guess an 114 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: American might see them as sort of a seasonal hump 115 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: day where you're kind of smack dab in the middle 116 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: of things, and we don't observe them like they do. 117 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: But I feel like, just an instinctively, in sort of 118 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: early to mid February every year, late January, my psyche 119 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: sort of starts to think about, all right, we're easing 120 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: towards spring. I feel like we're about halfway there, and 121 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: this is in Atlanta. Even that's the ancient pagan blood 122 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: coursing through your veins. It might be I think we're 123 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: we're pagans, but yeah, but to the Pagans it was. 124 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't like the halfway points the beginning. So in 125 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: on February twod this cross quarter day. It was actually 126 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: a day called um. Well, it was called a number 127 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: of things, but to the Celts it was it was 128 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: the beginning of spring. Um. At first they called it 129 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: in bold, which means in the belly like the world, 130 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: the earth is pregnant and about to give birth from 131 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: into spring. Um. Like, yeah, it was when the lambing 132 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: season began, which I don't think I like that. No, no, 133 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: you do. If you if you look up lambing pictures, 134 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: it's like that's when all the baby lambs are born 135 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: and hopping around. I thought, that's what I thought too, 136 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: And and no, that probably a little bit later, but um, 137 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: this is when everything's still cute and sweet. Okay. They 138 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: also called it umu brigantia um after the after Bridgid, 139 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: the female deity of light. And the whole point was that, 140 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, the sun had really kind of been hiding 141 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: for most of the winter, ever since the winter solstice, 142 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: and now it was starting to kind of creep out. 143 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: And to those of us who are like, this is 144 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: the halfway points kind of like, come on, son, keep going. 145 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: And when the Christians got their hands on the Celts, 146 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: the pagans Um, they said, well, how about this. Let's 147 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: call this like the Festival of Lights, and we'll commemorate this. 148 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: This is like, um the part of winter where it's 149 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: starting to get sunny er and sunnier, by having you 150 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: guys bring your candles around the church and we're gonna 151 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: bless them and then they'll just keep burning for the 152 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: rest of the winter. How about that? That's right, They 153 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: turned them into magic candles. It became known not only 154 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: as Festival of Lights, but handle moss. And you'll hear 155 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: that word a few times later on. And it's sort 156 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: of still grounded in seasons though. And the whole thing 157 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: here is like as far as the ancient Celts go, 158 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: and then you know people since then farmers, namely, is 159 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: when can we when is the weather going to turn here? 160 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: When is that ground gonna thaw? When can we expect 161 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: good weather and not be fooled into planting, only to 162 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: have it frost again and kill those early buds. That's 163 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: something that you now that you're you've taken up gardening 164 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: and stuff at your house, you will be frustrated by this. 165 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: Now to my friend, when that happens, Oh yeah, the frost, 166 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: the early frost or late frost, I should say late frosted. 167 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: I can't sleep well. Emily always like when things start 168 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: blooming to early. She's like, no, stop, stop, I think 169 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: it's gonna frost again. It always does. I had to Uh, 170 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: I had to stop myself. Now, I failed to stop myself. 171 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: I fertilized too late in the season, and um, and 172 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: I had a big problem with that. Man, my anecdotes 173 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: have just really gone downhill in the last twelve years. 174 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: I predicted your your gardening way back in the day. 175 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that in what episode 176 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: how Gardening. Someone's gonna have to find it. But you 177 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: kind of you kind of tease me, and I said, 178 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna get into it one day, trust me. And 179 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: you're like, I see that doesn't sound like me. Yeah thing, 180 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: huh yeah, I'm actually surprised at that. But I'll take 181 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: your word for it. I do want to know. So 182 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: anybody out there, if you know what Chuck's talking about, 183 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: let us know what episode it is. And at times 184 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: thing will be great toe so he can erase it. Right. So, 185 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: like I said, they were trying to figure out when 186 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: to plant, and uh, it was not a good omen 187 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: if it was bright and sunny, because that was a 188 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: sign of snow and a late frost to continue on 189 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: and that would not be a good time to plan. 190 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: And this is all a little confusing, yeah, if if 191 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm being honest, Yeah, So, like the the whole thing 192 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: was if at Candle moss Um February two, if if 193 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: it was if that day was nice out, if the 194 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: sun was shining, if there were no clouds in the sky, 195 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: that actually meant that there was going to be a 196 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: much longer period of winter left. And the reason why 197 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: that kind of makes sense from a farmer's standpoint is one, 198 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: maybe you're saying, well, this pretends a growing season where 199 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: it's just going to be nice out and there's not 200 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: gonna be any rain. You don't want that. But also 201 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: number two, it's like you said, and like that kind 202 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: of weather might fool the plants into starting to grow 203 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: again and then bam they get hit with a late frost. 204 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: So even though it seems counterintuitive, if it's nice out 205 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: on February two at candle Moss to the ancient Celts, 206 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: that meant that there was more winter coming. If it 207 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: was the opposite, it was overcast, maybe even storming. If 208 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: it was just gross out, it meant that winter was 209 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: almost over, that the it was more than halfway over, 210 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: and you were probably going to see spring pretty pretty soon. 211 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: So that is the initial um, the initial way that 212 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: February two kind of plays into this whole thing. So 213 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: you know what my problem with this is is uh, 214 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: and you you put this one together and you kind 215 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: of came up with some other signs found in nature 216 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: and different cultures where they sort of looked to um 217 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: the natural rule to kind of tell the future, like 218 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: the widths of the bands of a wooly caterpillar, the 219 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: size and number of webs a spider might spin in 220 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: the fall, um, how the squirrels are gathering gathering their 221 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: nuts like would you frantic or calm? Or when the 222 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: geese depart from the north, how thick corn husks are 223 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: at harvest, like I love all that that stuff because 224 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: to me that is like pre science science. Um, yeah, 225 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: I think all of that stuff is kind of rooted 226 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: and some maybe it might be a reach for some, 227 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: but some sort of scientific basis, and it was just 228 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: from people observing, which was sort of the first science 229 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: was observation. But to me, this one is the least 230 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: scientific of them all the because it's just one day. Yeah, 231 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: it is, like it is. It's just one day, Like 232 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: if it's February. Second, if it's candle moss and this 233 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: is the condition, then that's your indicator. So yeah, I 234 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: guess it is the least unscientific pre science measure of 235 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: of what's the most Yeah, it really is. It really is. 236 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: It's on par with drowning a person as a witch 237 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: because you're your prediction for the the winter didn't come true. 238 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: The wooly caterpillars bands didn't pretend the future after all, 239 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: because there's probably something I don't know about the caterpillar, 240 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: but I bet you there's some little nugget of science 241 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: in there as to how their bands grow depending on 242 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: whether Yeah, I like the celt stuff. Oh man, that 243 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: there reminds me. So I read this article in The 244 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: New Yorker not too long ago, um, and it's about 245 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: we got to do an episode on it. There's this lake, 246 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: a little lake way up in the Himalayas, in the 247 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, in this really dangerous pass, and there's 248 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: always been a bunch of skeletons jumbled together at the 249 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: bottom of this lake, and you can clearly see them. 250 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: So anthropologists went in and grabbed these these skeletons or 251 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: some of them to take samples. And it turns out 252 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: some of them seem to be from southern Italy, um, 253 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: maybe even from Greece, from the Mediterranean. They have no 254 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: business whatsoever. Where is it up in the Himalayas, like 255 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: in Nepal right on just along uh I think a 256 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: Hindu or a Buddhist pilgrimage path um, and like it's 257 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: just really bizarre that they're there. But the author took 258 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: some time to just kind of go off on the 259 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: side and talk about how there was the spread of 260 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: this group from the steps of Russia uh many many 261 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: thousands of years ago. They basically brought the Indo European 262 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: language our way. But also we're super patriarch article, super 263 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: rapey um, super murdery and they really had an impact 264 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: you can tell a lasting impact today and how just 265 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: humans operate. But apparently in Western Europe and including the 266 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: British Isles, the Celts seemed to be much more peaceful, 267 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: much more egalitarian. UM women held much more powerful roles 268 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: than than they did under this other group. And it 269 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: really kind of drove home like wow, like history could 270 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: have gone a totally different direction, and like where would 271 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: we be right now if that other group had to 272 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: come out of the steps and dominated the rest of 273 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: Europe and just basically change this like um fertility worshiping 274 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: nature cult into you know, this hierarchical, patriarchical, um, murderous 275 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: civilization that's basically Western civilization today. I think the people 276 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: in the movie Midsummer would agree with you. That was 277 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: a given movie that I kept thinking about that as well. 278 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: During this of course, I watched that again and had 279 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: a better feeling about it. I love it the first time, 280 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: some crazy folk core man like it is really something else. 281 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: I haven't only seen it once. I need to see 282 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: it again. Well, maybe you won't like it the second time. 283 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: I hope that's not true, but it's possible. All right, 284 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a break, 285 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna regather ourselves, and we're gonna bring it back 286 00:16:31,440 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: to February two right after this. Chuck, all right, So 287 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: we set up what was going on back in the day, 288 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: and groundhog Day is just something that survived from that 289 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: ancient practice. Back then, especially in Germany, they had a 290 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: tradition of waking up a badger not probably not a 291 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: good idea, and seeing if it will crawl back into 292 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: its borough to see if it was a sign of 293 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: bad weather ahead, and then that eventually makes it over 294 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: to the United States. Some people in Pennsylvania that settled 295 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania took that idea adapted it to groundhogs I guess, 296 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: because there were more groundhogs and badgers, and started looking, 297 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: uh at these groundhogs coming out and whether or not 298 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: they would see their shadow, whether or not the people 299 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: would see the shadow. It was the Germans who came 300 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,239 Speaker 1: over who said, well, wait, there's no badgers, so how 301 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: are we going to tell about the whether there's winter 302 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: left or not? And they said, well, groundhogs will do, 303 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: I guess, And and the fact that like they were 304 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: present and then brought the superstition with them that was 305 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: based in this combination of badgers coming out of their 306 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: borrow and going back and then candle Boss and the 307 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: fact that there weren't any badgers and groundhogs will have 308 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: to do. That's where groundhog Day came from, in that 309 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: bizarre it is. But if you really want to talk 310 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: about groundhog Day and what we'd know as groundhog Day, 311 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: that's sort of goofy fun um money making scheme that 312 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: they came up with. Is it can be traced back 313 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: to one dude uh February seven, the very first groundhog 314 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: Day celebration UM was created by climber Freeze F. R. E. A. S. 315 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: The editor of the Punk Satani Spirit newspaper and Punk 316 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: Sutani is about eighty miles from Pittsburgh, Um there in 317 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: western Pennsylvania. It's a coal mining town and it's a 318 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: very small town. I think it's indigenous name from the 319 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: Native American People's was Town of the sand Flies. The 320 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: LENNAPPI did they have sand flies? I guess, I don't 321 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: know why else the Lennappy would have called it that. 322 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, sand flies don't sound great. Sand 323 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: Flies are terrible. Not only does their bite hurt, but 324 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: they spread all sorts of diseases too, and punks Punks 325 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: Attorney basically means sand fly town, So I guess there 326 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: was a real sand fly problem there at some point, 327 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: But there's no sand western Pennsylvania. Did they have sand there? 328 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the United States was marshy 329 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: before we started developing it, so there's probably a lot 330 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: of marsh around Western Pennsylvania at the time. I thought 331 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: they just might have really liked the settlement. And it's 332 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: be like naming something like the bed bug or something. 333 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: Isn't that why Iceland is called Iceland? And that the 334 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: old story that they basically wanted to make people either 335 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: that or else. They settlers of Greenland wanted to make 336 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: Iceland look bad and Greenland look good, so they called 337 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: Iceland Iceland something like that. I mean, that's one of 338 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: the first little things you hear in elementary school from 339 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: that guy. Did you know that Iceland is green and 340 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: Greenland is? I said, I remember, I remember giving that 341 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: kid a weggie. Oh wait, I was the kid who 342 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: got the wedges. Okay, makes a lot more sense. So 343 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: here we are in seven and climber Freeze has stumbled 344 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: upon a great little money maker to bring thousands of 345 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: people to his town to spend money. Actually, he he 346 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: started a year before that, just ever so briefly. He 347 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: just as the publisher of the punks Autawny Spirit. He 348 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: published a line that said, today is groundhog Day, and 349 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: up to the time of going to press, the beast 350 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: has not seen as shadow. And the fact that he 351 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: doesn't spend any time explaining what he's talking about suggests 352 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: that it was already pretty well established, at least in 353 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: the town of punks Autawny at the time, probably in 354 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: western Pennsylvania what with their large German and large groundhog population. 355 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: Um and that was it. That was the first mentioned 356 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: in a newspaper in America of groundhog Day. And because 357 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: groundhog Days was specifically American invention based on ancient Celtic 358 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: in in German traditions, uh, this would be the first 359 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: time in the world anyone ever mentioned it in the paper. 360 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: So he plants that seed. He wants to get a 361 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: buzz going. He's like, I'm gonna tease this out over 362 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: a year. No one's gonna know what's coming. No one's 363 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: gonna know. It hit him in seven and in that 364 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: year that he was sort of the idea was brewing. 365 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: He founded he got some folks together groundhog hunters and 366 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: called it the Punk Suitani Groundhog Club that would become 367 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: that in eighteen ninety nine. And they were groundhog hunters. 368 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: Groundhogs were pest and they would go around kill groundhogs. 369 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: Apparently they would eat them. It was a delicacy that 370 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: they served to out of towners at first, I guess 371 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: Jenny Biggs just to see if they died. And then 372 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: the locals started eating groundhogs, which I can't imagine taste 373 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: very good. But that's hilarious that the tradition of groundhog 374 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: Day grew out of these people eating groundhogs like groundhog hunters. 375 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Terrible but also hilarious. And the fact that they served 376 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: them two out of towners first, also, it just really 377 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: gets me. But this this Punk's Tony Groundhog Club. Um, 378 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: they held the first um groundhog Day in seven, as 379 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: you were saying before, And I don't I could not 380 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: find to save my life why they chose Gobbler's Knob. Um. 381 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: But there may be a clue in why Gobbler's Knob 382 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: is named that. There's two um possible reasons given. One 383 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: is that I guess it was a hangout for turkeys, 384 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: which okay, great um or it was the place that 385 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: traditionally groundhog hunters or hunters of any woodland animal would 386 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: kind of come out of the woods to this hilly 387 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: area and eat what they had just caught, or cook 388 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: and eat what they just caught, possibly having picnics in 389 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: the area. So it would make sense that the ground 390 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: Hog Club would go to Gobbler's Nob where they would 391 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: normally eat groundhog if this was already associated with groundhogs 392 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: in that way. But either way, that's where they helped 393 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: your risk. Yeah, picturesque and um bloody, yeah, but I mean, 394 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, it makes sense to have a thing. There's 395 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right right, so right, yeah, it is 396 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: quite beautiful. But that's where the first Groundhog Day in 397 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: seven was held, and it has been basically ever since. 398 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a stretch here there where they 399 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: didn't do it, but as they were first starting to 400 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: get their footings. But I think from the turn of 401 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: the last century onward it's been at Gobbler's Knob every year. 402 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: And I think of that first one h the groundhog 403 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: saw his shadow and for parts of the area, and 404 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: this is kind of how it goes. Of course, it 405 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: was something that's unscientific parts of the area. Had it 406 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: worked out parts of the area, it did not work 407 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: out as far as winter ending sooner than later. Well, 408 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of par for the course for sure, 409 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: of phills we'll see and so Um, although we can 410 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: thank like climber Freeze for giving us groundhog Day, Like 411 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: I said, like, it's clear this was already an established tradition, 412 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: and I think the earliest mentioned they've been able to 413 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: find somebody referencing groundhog Day goes back to one where 414 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: a guy named James Morris wrote in his diary about 415 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: he mentioned groundhog Day. Um, and I don't think he 416 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: said whether the groundhog saw his shadow or not. He 417 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: just mentions it and kind of describes it. So I'd 418 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: have been around for many decades before climber Freeze came 419 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: along with it, but climber Freeze is definitely the one 420 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: to to popularize it. Yeah, I mean he started writing 421 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: about it and writing about the you know, this amazing 422 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: groundhog that could foretell the future whether and you know 423 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: it's all a tongue in cheek and good fun. Um, 424 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: we have to talk about punk Stani Phil, of course, 425 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: the famous groundhog that is still the groundhog of record 426 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: in punk Sutani full name Puntsatani Phil, seer of seers, 427 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: stage of Stages, prognosticator of prognosticators, and weather profit extraordinary. 428 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: Is Phil's full Name's right, and it's very cute. I 429 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: guess he wasn't named Phil until I don't know the 430 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: first half or the mid middle of the last century, 431 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: because the the Punks Attanni Groundhog Hog Club on their 432 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: website says that he is named after King Philip, and 433 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: King Philip is not I don't think they're talking about. 434 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: I think they're referencing Prince Philip, who is Queen Elizabeth's husband, 435 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have really become a public figure until 436 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, the thirties, maybe the forties or fifties. So 437 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: before that, um, the groundhog, you know, that's stretch um. 438 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: But the groundhog was known as a bear groundhog, brother 439 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: groundhog or brother groundhog. That's what they all called him before. 440 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: But the thing about Punks Attorny Phil, which is what 441 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: his name now, he may have had different names, but 442 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: the Punks Attorny Groundhog Club maintains that he's still the 443 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: same groundhog that they the group came upon back in 444 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty seven. That is this magically living, long living 445 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: groundhog who's been alive for I guess now a hundred 446 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: and thirty three years since that first Groundhog Day in 447 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty seven. Right, So you know we said earlier 448 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: to put a pin in the fact that groundhogs live, 449 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: was it like six to eight years or something like that, 450 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: That ten in captivity. Sure, well, he's in captivity, but 451 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three it seems like a wave beyond that. 452 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: So they cooked up a fun little story there. They 453 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: said that Phil is able to live so long because, um, 454 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: he drinks a punch made of dandelions every summer. And 455 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: I think they saw the riding on the wall and said, hey, 456 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: we can make another money making day out of this 457 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: thing if we have a little summer festival picnic thing 458 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: where Phil drinks this uh, dandelion juice as it were. 459 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: And so now they have a big celebration for Phil's 460 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: annual drinking of the daisy juice or dandelion juice. And 461 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: we mentioned that, you know, back years back, the groundhog 462 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: was treated as a pest and eaten hunted and eaten, 463 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: and that they may have had like a picnic around 464 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: Gobbler's Knob to eat the groundhogs. This annual tradition now 465 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: where they all celebrate Phil gaining seven more years to 466 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: his life, seems to have been based on the annual 467 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: groundhog hunt and roast. So they went from eating groundhogs 468 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: to pretending that this one has been alive for a 469 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three years thanks to this this magical 470 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: potion that he drinks. I wonder if they make great 471 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: efforts to get a groundhog that really looks like the 472 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: original Phil think groundhogs look a lot alike to humans. Yeah, 473 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, but it's like Ugga for the Georgia bulldogs, 474 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: Like they have different uggas and white bulldogs. You know, 475 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: they all all the Uggans look a little bit different, 476 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: and we all like that's part of the personality of 477 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: of each Ugga. But I think the groundhogs you're saying, 478 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: they just like he didn't have a big white stripe 479 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: down the middle of his head or anything. I see, 480 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah no, but they've 481 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: got to because it's you know, the thing about the 482 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: uggas is, you know it's uga six or that's ug 483 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: a million or something like that. Like they're meant to 484 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: be there, different Uggas, but they're all related in some way, 485 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: at least through school spirit. Um, this is supposed to 486 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: be all of the successive groundhogs. Whenever they come upon 487 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, him and his burrow and he's not moving 488 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: any longer, um like the yeah, they would, I guess 489 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: kind of have to find a groundhog that looks kind 490 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: of like him so that they can be like, well, 491 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: this is the this is the same one. He's been 492 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: around for a hundred thirty three years. All I'm saying 493 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: is probably not very hard to pull the wool over 494 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: human being's eyes when they're like, no, it's the same crownhog. 495 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: You know. I think I think the Uggs are all 496 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: the same family line, if I'm not mistaken. I don't 497 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: know if all of them in history, but I think 498 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: there's this very prominent Savannah family that, uh where all 499 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: the Uggs come from, if I'm not mistaken. Didn't the 500 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: main guy, the guy who was on trial and Midnight 501 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,239 Speaker 1: of the Garden of Good and Evil? Wasn't he the 502 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: Ugga breeder for a while, I don't know, but it 503 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: had something to do with that. I feel like he 504 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: he had something. Yeah, he had something to do with 505 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: the Uggs and if if not like the actual the 506 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: owner of the the Ugga's mom or something. Yeah, pretty 507 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: good movie. I never read the book. I did both 508 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: and they were both pretty good. It was one of 509 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: those ones where like the movies just about as good 510 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: as the book. Back when you could watch a Kevin 511 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: Spacey movie that's right, creeped out and John Kisack does 512 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: a good job too, that's right. And you could watch 513 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: a John Keisack movie to be crazy. So let's take 514 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: let's take a break here and we'll talk about you know, 515 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: we mentioned that, uh, when Phil dies in the dead 516 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: of night, they have to get him out of there quietly. 517 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 1: We'll talk about how they might do that right after this. 518 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: Le Okay, so we're back and we have a dead 519 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: groundhog on our hands. Yeah. Well, if punksatany Phil passes away, 520 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: which has clearly happened probably ever every eight to ten years, Uh, 521 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: they can do so quietly. Because Phil leads a very 522 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: pampered life. Uh an indoor life, you might say, oh yeah, 523 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: because he has handlers, he has a full sort of staff, volunteers, 524 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: that look after Phil, and they all have funny titles 525 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: like Shingle Shaker or Chief Chief health Man, and uh, 526 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: they make sure Phil leads a pretty cush life there 527 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: in captivity. I've read that he eats a lot of 528 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 1: ice cream and actually had to have a tooth removed 529 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: once because he had a cavity from eating so much. Yeah, 530 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: he's he's basically kept very happy, um and strong out 531 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: on junk food, I guess, um. But that inner circle 532 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: that you mentioned, that's fifteen local volunteers who basically they're 533 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: not the punk Stutawny ground Hog Club. They're like the 534 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: the upper echelon the leaders of the punch Stutawny ground 535 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: Hog Club, it sounds like. And only a couple of 536 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: them are allowed to handle Phil um and the president 537 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: is the only one who actually can communicate with Phil. 538 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: As we'll see. Yeah, they and we'll talk about the 539 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: movie in a bit. But if you've seen the movie, 540 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: you've seen those tuxedos and top hats, or if you 541 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: you know you got the Delpa work. Anyway, if you 542 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: tune in to watch the coverage, you're gonna see those 543 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: tuxedos and top hats because they say hey fills the 544 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: v I P When v I P s came to 545 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: town back in the day. This is what we'd wear 546 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: when we met him at the train. And he is 547 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: our most famous residents. We're going to pay him that respect. Well, 548 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: the other thing that I saw, the other explanation I saw, 549 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: and that explanation actually came from one of the former 550 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: Inner Circle members. But in other explanations that some of 551 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: those early like um nineteenth century depictions of Breyer groundhog 552 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: Um was in a top hat, like he was supposed 553 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: to be this very intelligent um uh forecaster of of weather. Um, 554 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: And so they depict him in like a top hat. 555 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's probably likelier where it came from, 556 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: and they just forgot somewhere along the way. Well, Phill 557 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: does a lot of sleeping. Um. He does not hibernate though, 558 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: because he, like I said, he's in his his climate 559 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: controlled burrow. He doesn't have these cues from nature to 560 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: let him know when anything is at all. Uh. He 561 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: as far as he knows, it's always perfect weather, except 562 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: every February when he gets yanked out of there, taken 563 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: out in the cold in the middle of the night 564 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: to his other thankfully climate controlled burrow that is built 565 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: into a stump. If you've never seen it, you can 566 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: just google an image of this. Um kind of nice scene. 567 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: It's got a stage there in a stump, and it's 568 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, it looks like something you'd see it. Uh uh, 569 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: like a show at six Flags or something that's exactly 570 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: right the country bears jamboree or something totally. Um, yeah, 571 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: that's great. I couldn't quite put my finger on what 572 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: it looked like, but that is exactly what I was 573 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: thinking of and could find now. So um, it's a 574 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: bit of a rude awakening. Like you said, it's the 575 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: middle of the night, ful phill, but they give him 576 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: some time to kind of real ax and like get 577 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: settled into his his um stump, his showtime stump, I guess, 578 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: is what you call it. But I can't imagine that 579 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: he's like getting a lot of relaxation. And because just 580 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: outside of that stump is anywhere from I've seen eight 581 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: thousand up to twenty thousand people all hanging out on 582 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: Gobbler's Knob. And this is in a town of about 583 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: five thousand people, so the population might be quadruple depending 584 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: on whether Groundhog days, say, falls on a weekend, and 585 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: they are so loud there. It's a rowdy, boisterous crowd um. 586 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: They shoot off fireworks, they have live music all throughout 587 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: the night. This is all leading up to dawn. Basically 588 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: from about three am to about six thirty am, they 589 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: just are partying right outside of Phil's stump. And then 590 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: if there's a drink, like a signature drink, yeah, I 591 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: saw there's a groundhog punch that has to do with 592 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: like vodka and a bunch of other stuff. But I 593 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 1: also have a distinct impression that this might be, if 594 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: not dry, at least way more family friendly than yeah, 595 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: everybody wasted on punch kind of thing. No, that's true. 596 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: I mean you don't want to you don't want it 597 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: to be like, uh well, like the Kentucky Derby. Dude, Man, 598 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: things get dark. They're real quick. You've been to one 599 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: of those, right, Yeah, and it got dark. They're real quick. Man. 600 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: That was like like the second the race is over. Yeah, 601 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: and even no before during after it's just utter chaos. 602 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: You mean I were like, we we didn't leave, we fled. 603 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: It was crazy, dude. Yeah, But now I think of 604 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: the impression that this is a lot more clean cut 605 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: than than the Kentucky Derby. I feel when I saw fireworks, 606 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: I just felt bad for Phil that can't Yeah, you 607 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: must have been scared, for sure. And I'm sure all 608 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: the dogs in the area are like I hate groundhog Day, 609 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, and neighbors that aren't really big on Groundhog 610 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: Day are probably not very happy. I mean, but airbnbr 611 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: place is what you do. I would guess so, because again, 612 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: five thousand people live in town, twenty additional people show 613 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: up and hopefully if you own a business you've listened 614 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: to chuck in your businesses open that day. So you 615 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: mentioned the president is the only one who can speak 616 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: to Phil or understand Phil. Uh. When Phil emerges from 617 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: that borough, he does speak. Um. Groundhog ease is what 618 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: they call it. And the president is the only person 619 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: even in that inner circle that can understand and translate 620 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: for the people. And Phil is is kind of a rapper, 621 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: Isn't that right? I think that's being rather generous, But yes, 622 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: he he speaks in rhyme, kind of sing song rhyme. Yeah, well, 623 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: I mean it looks like wrapped to me on this 624 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: groundhog Day. I'm happy to say I love fruity pebbles 625 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: in a major way. Was that a commercial? Yes, it 626 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: was ironically well, I guess the opposite of ironically expectedly, um, 627 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: fruity pebbles commercial. Uh so yeah, So he speaks and 628 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: sings song, the president translates for everyone. They all have 629 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: a good time. And keep in mind, this is at dawn. 630 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: So I imagined the whole affair is over pretty quickly. Yeah, 631 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: they've got to be so tired too. Um, but everybody 632 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: gets powered up by some vodka based groundhog punch. Sure, 633 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: they're like, why are we drunk? Aft is right? I 634 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: think that's kind of the case, at least for some people. 635 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: But um, that's the whole shebang. They kind of stretched 636 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: it out for a week. I've seen that the whole 637 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: festivities kind of take place over the week. But it 638 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: seems like February second is kind of the big day 639 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: February first slash second. So is he accurate though, that's 640 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: the question that The answer to that question is no, 641 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: not at all, because it's unscientific. Well yeah, that's definitely unscientific. 642 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: But somehow Phil is even worse than chance at predicting 643 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: the weather. Now, the Groundhog Club says he's he's correct 644 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: a percent of the time. Um. That's the whole tongue 645 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: in cheek thing. And then some people like to try 646 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 1: to prove them right and say, well, yes, in some 647 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: parts of the country he's right, in other parts he's not. 648 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: But for the punk Sittawny area or western Pennsylvania he's 649 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: he's he hits between thirty and forty on any given 650 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: ten year stretch between two thousand ten and two thousand nineteen, 651 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: between two thousand and one and two thousand ten, um, 652 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: So that's not very good. I mean, like, if you 653 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: just toss a coin, you could expect to come up 654 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: heads or tails better than that, And that's basically what 655 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: they're doing. UM. And we should say, in Phil's defense, 656 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: he's not predicting anything. This is all the very very 657 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: insane inner circle who are making these predictions. So they're 658 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: technically the ones who are worse than chance at predicting 659 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: whether there's going to be six more weeks of winter 660 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: or in early spring. Yeah. I didn't want to be 661 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: there in the first place. That's right. There's I saw 662 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: footage of one a bit the the gout the handler's finger, 663 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: and um only got some of the glove, but it 664 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: looked like it would have been pretty vicious had he 665 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: gotten any of his actual finger. It was hilarious and 666 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: the crowd went wild. They loved it. He literally bit 667 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: the hand that feds it. Yeah, I guess, so he's like, 668 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: give me some more ice cream. So should we talk 669 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: about the movie? We can't not talk about the movie. 670 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: I didn't think we were talking about the movie groundhog Day, 671 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: a movie which I have covered on movie Crush. This 672 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: was the favorite movie of Griffin McElroy, of the famous 673 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: McElroy Brothers podcasting. I saw that. I thought it was 674 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: Justin mclroy was a Griffin, now justin. He was on 675 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 1: two though. He did with Nail and I another great movie, 676 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: and Griffin picked picked groundhog Day, and he says. Griffin's 677 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: quote was not only do I think it's my favorite movie? 678 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: He said, I think it's the best movie, like literally 679 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: the best movie. He had some groundhog punch himself. He 680 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: loves it, and uh and love it. It's a little 681 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't age super well. Kind of it's 682 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: a little problematic, is kind. He's a little he's a 683 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 1: little he's just a little aggressive. He he doesn't take 684 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: no for an answer over and over and over, and 685 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: that's the point of the movie. But watching it through 686 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: to today's lens is sort of like he back off, Dude, 687 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: She's not interested, right, So yeah, I get you. Um 688 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: So the for those of you who haven't seen it, 689 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 1: first of all, go see it. But then secondly, it's 690 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: it's um about this reporter. He gets stuck in this 691 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: time loop where he's living February second Groundhog Day in 692 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: punks its hawny over and over and over again. His 693 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: name is Phil And it had such a huge impact. Yeah, 694 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 1: and they never explained why this happens. It just happens 695 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: to him, which I think is something that makes the 696 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:55,720 Speaker 1: movie that much more enjoyable. But um, the this movie 697 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: had such an impact on um the culture that today 698 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: people associate groundhog Day not just with you know, predicting 699 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 1: whether there's gonna be an early spring or more winter. 700 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,760 Speaker 1: They predicted with weird things like losing track of time 701 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: or time doing odd things, or having deja vu. And 702 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: that's strictly from the movie. Like that was never a 703 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: part of Groundhog Day until this movie came along. Yeah, 704 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: I mean people will say that if something happened again 705 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: to you or whatever you say. Oh man, it's like 706 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: groundhog Day. Uh. And it's you know, it's pretty rare 707 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: for a movie to enter the sort of public consciousness 708 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: to that degree. And also it's interesting and displace something 709 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: that's already taking that spot even you know what I'm saying, 710 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: or add to it at least. Yeah, for sure. Um. 711 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: When I was doing research for the movie Crush episode, 712 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: I did see that thing that you included here that 713 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: the original screenwriter and eventual co writer to Harold Ramos, 714 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: Danny Ruben Um the original script it was ten thousand 715 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: years um that he was living because is of the 716 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: Buddhist principle that it takes ten thousand years for a 717 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: human soul to be perfect, and they change that up 718 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: in the movie. And there is a lot of robust 719 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,879 Speaker 1: debate about how many days occur in the movie. Um, supposedly, 720 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: and I look this up in a bunch of different places. 721 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: If you just look at the movie the number of 722 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: times it repeats, it's thirty eight, Okay, I saw, But 723 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: if there are people who have taken time to calculate 724 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: how long it really is. Because you know, he learns 725 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: foreign languages, he becomes a master piano player. Uh and 726 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: and people have taken great links to actually calculate how 727 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: long it would take to do all this, and everyone, 728 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 1: I mean, there are some exact days that people have calculated, 729 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: but everyone is sort of landed in the neighborhood of 730 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: about ten years, including Harold Ramos saying, yeah, we feel 731 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: like it's about ten years that he's relived in order 732 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: to learn all this stuff. I like ten thousand more. 733 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm going with Danny Ruben's estimate. You know, well, if 734 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: it was ten thousand years, he would just be like 735 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: it'd be like in the matrix at the end or something. Well, 736 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: at some point he says, I'm a god, so you know, 737 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: maybe it still is in there. But um, yeah. One 738 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: of the things about that movie too, Chuck, is, um 739 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: it's part of the festivities now, the show it the 740 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: night before at like the local theater, and um it's 741 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: been a boon for the town as well, not just 742 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: Groundhog Day, but the movie itself has drawn people to 743 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 1: the town to kind of see, you know, Punks Attawny, 744 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: and they're usually very disappointed to find out that they 745 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: didn't actually shoot the town in Punks Autonny. They shot 746 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: it in Woodstock, Illinois. So while they named like the 747 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: businesses and took like cop cars from Punksutawni and like 748 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: moved a lot of punks Tawny two Woodstock, you can't 749 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: visually see like, oh this is where this this you know, 750 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: this is where ned Ryerson crosses the street um to 751 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: say hi, you know downtown, Like that's in Woodstock, Illinois. 752 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: So I think they don't tell people that until after 753 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: they've made their way to punt Stani and spend at 754 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: least fifty dollars, then they tell them, Okay, this wood Stock, 755 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: Illinois that you're really after. Yeah, I mean what do 756 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: you think. Do you want to go to punt Stani 757 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: and kind of be at the real place or do 758 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,399 Speaker 1: you want to go to Illinois to kind of see 759 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: these real old movie locations. I would like to go 760 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: to neither of those places. I'm good with the seeing 761 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: clips old clips um on YouTube. That's fine with me. 762 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: Like It's never struck me as like a great um 763 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 1: uh holiday. I think, not because of Groundhog Day or 764 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: the fact that it's in western Pennsylvania or anything like that, um, 765 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: but because February two is just such a sucky time 766 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 1: of the year. I hate that time of the year. 767 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: Um that nothing really good can happen around then. So 768 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, the beginning of February always thinks, which is 769 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: ironic because my wedding anniversaries in mid February. That to 770 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: me is when things pick up. Yeah, I pulled that 771 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: out at the end of night. You did, I forgot 772 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: you guys got you got married in warm climbs. Yeah, 773 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: we we escaped to Hawaii because February is kind of 774 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: gross in the United States. Yeah, my anniversary sometime in 775 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: late April. I can never remember the day. Well, hey, 776 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: just start saying after this, we'll just say all the 777 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: different numbers, will find out the right one and then 778 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: Jerry can edit it in all right, Um, you you 779 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: got anything else? I got nothing else. Um well, if 780 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,280 Speaker 1: you want to know more about Groundhog Day, just go online. 781 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: I think this year it's a streaming there because of COVID. 782 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: They're not having people out, but they are streaming is 783 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: so you can go check out the punks Attorny Groundhog 784 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,479 Speaker 1: Clubs website for all the links and everything. And since 785 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 1: I directed everyone to the punks Attorny Groundhog Clubs website. 786 00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: As per usual, it's time for a listener. Now I'm 787 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: going to call this hot off the presses. This came 788 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,760 Speaker 1: in thirty seconds ago and I didn't have one prepared, 789 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: and this is a good one. Hey, guys, hope you're 790 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: doing well. Josh, Chuck and Jerry over there. My name 791 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: is Mike Martin. He him his thank you for that. Mike. 792 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm a classical musician, a bassist in the New World 793 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: Symphony in Miami Beats, Florida. Been an avid listener for 794 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: six years. My sister Jessica got me hooked on your 795 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: show after we were traveling to see our family got 796 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,320 Speaker 1: stuck behind an oil tanker. The truck pulled to a 797 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: stop on a quiet stretch of highway Rural in the 798 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: middle of the night, when the driver put on the 799 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: hazards jumped out of the vehicle. Confused, we attempted to 800 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: go around when the hood of the truck burst into flames. 801 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,240 Speaker 1: After backing away to a safe distance, my sister laughed side, 802 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: pulled out her phone and said, looks like we're not 803 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 1: going anywhere. Have you heard of stuff you should know? 804 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: Since then, I've listened to your entire catalog five times. Wow. 805 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: So this is a long email, but I'm gonna get 806 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 1: to the cruxt of it here. It was about the 807 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: Clan episode uh in his experience as a black man. 808 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: He said, I really appreciate your recent episode in the KKK, 809 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 1: especially with Chuck mentioned about feeling you need to do 810 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: a comprehensive dive on the Clan because of the terror 811 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: and harm they visited on Black Americans like myself twenty 812 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: six years old, and even when I was a young 813 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: child in the nineties, there were cross burnings near my 814 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: home in semi rural Pennsylvania. Uh. We moved a few 815 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: towns over not long afterwards, but all my life as 816 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: a black child living in the Northeast, I live with 817 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: explicitly racist iconography. On walks with friends in the woods, 818 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: we'd find swastikas and racist screeds spray painted on abandoned 819 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: railroad buildings. Who was not uncommon to see Confederate flags 820 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: on people's homes and cars. Even in school, I'd find 821 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,479 Speaker 1: nooses tied on the pool cords of blinds. I even 822 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: remember the first time I was called the N word 823 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: in a school bathroom in the first grade, and the 824 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: principle's response to my parents in his office, we can't 825 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: help what people teach their kids at home. Man, the 826 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: way I was treated improved as I got older, but 827 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: it prompted me to start thinking about how the more 828 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: insidious and subtle elements of racism impact my life and 829 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: those of others from a very young age. And then 830 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: Mike went on to give a lot of great recommendations 831 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: for episodes he thinks we should do uh, and he says, 832 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: stay safe and be well. And that is from Mike 833 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 1: Martin the bass player. Nice Mike, thanks a lot for 834 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: writing and I'm sorry all of that could happen to you. Yeah, um, 835 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, thanks for the ideas. Give me an idea 836 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,720 Speaker 1: that he gave us for an episode. He said jazz 837 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,919 Speaker 1: because he said it. It's a lot of different things 838 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: that we've talked about, um, kind of coming together uh 839 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: in musical movement. So that's one that we've talked about. 840 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: Is just cheez like Ken Burns did. However many hours 841 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: on jazz. How do we do five minutes on jazz? Whatever? 842 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,399 Speaker 1: We did a two part on evil kinevel. We can 843 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 1: do anything. Be about scooda dude, you just do that 844 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: the whole time, all right, Maybe we shouldn't do one 845 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: on jazz. Now I think about sorry Mike. Well, if 846 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: you want to get in touch with this like Mike 847 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: didn't and share the horrors of your childhood, we want 848 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,240 Speaker 1: to hear that in a weird way, um, and also 849 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: to share with the rest of you so we can 850 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: all feel like a stuff you Should Know family even 851 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: more than we did before. Uh. 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