1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Stay right here for our final news round up and 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: information overload. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: All right, this is round up Information overload, our thank 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 2: you for being with us toll free. 5 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 3: Let me give you a number. 6 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: It's eight hundred and ninety four one sean if you 7 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: want to be a part of the program. So there 8 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: has been a battle among the Republicans. They got a 9 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: very slim majority. We've talked often about it, two hundred 10 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: and twenty two. It's a four seat majority, and they 11 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: have a little bit of a complication because a number 12 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: of members are not there. But anyway, the September thirtieth deadline, 13 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: eleven days from now, is approaching, and at that point, 14 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: you know it would be a looming government shutdown. I've 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: said many times on this program shutdowns, I'm not afraid 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: of them. To prevent a potential government shutdown, you have 17 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: two very key factions of House. Republicans have now crafted 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: what is a short term stopgap measure, what's called a 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: CR continuing resolution that would fund the government through October 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: thirty first, and give obviously both Houses of Congress and 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: opportunity to put budgets together, which they never seem to 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: get done on time. But anyway, the bill has been 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: sponsored by members of the House Freedom Caucus and what's 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: known as the more moderate mainstream mainStreet Caucus. Here's what 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: the facts, as I know them are. Would impose an 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: eight percent spending cut on federal agencies not including National Defense, 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: the Department of Veterans Affairs, or money is designated for 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: disaster relief. The temporary measure would also include border security 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: provisions that have been top of the priority list for 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 2: conservatives during this ongoing spending fight. Now, whether the cr 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: can pass in the House and the Senate, that remains 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: to be seen. Mitch McConnell Senate Republicans have shown a 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: willingness to go along with Joe Biden's insanity in terms 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: of government spending. We now reach the number of thirty 35 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: three trillion dollars that this country has in debt. That 36 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: means our kids are going to be burdened with this 37 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: for the rest of their lives. Same with our grandkids. 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: Two trillion additional dollars in debt thanks to Biden's policies 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: this year alone. Anyway, we have with US Congressman Chip Roy, 40 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: great State of Texas Freedom Caucus member and Matt Gates 41 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: Florida congressman, all out rebel in the House, welcome both 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: of you to the show. 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: Good to be on Jarva. 44 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: Thank you ship. 45 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: Let me start with you, because I actually have a 46 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: tape of you saying, issuing a challenge to House Republicans 47 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: who won't support the cr let's play it. 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: We have some robust debates within our conference. They are 49 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: the debates we should be having across this town that 50 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: our Democrat colleges refused to engage in. So what we 51 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: have before us right now is legislation that will cut 52 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: spending to non defense, non veteran discretionary spending in simple speak, 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: the federal bureaucracy that is not that is neither defense 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: nor veterans, by eight percent. If my conservative colleagues want 55 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: to vote against that, go explain that. Go explain that 56 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: you're voting against a thirty day, eight percent cut to 57 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: the federal bureaucracy while having a piece of legislation attached 58 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: to it. That is the strongest border legislation ever passed, 59 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: and it was passed out of this House Republican conference. 60 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 3: All right, So I assume Chip you stand by your 61 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: arguments there. 62 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: Correct, I do, And look, we can have reasonable disagreement 63 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: on this. The tactics can be different. My friend Mat 64 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: Gates and I agree on what we're trying to accomplish 65 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: and trying to cut overall spending. 66 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 4: Sean, I know you agree with that. 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: I think the questionnaires how to get there, and what 68 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: we decided to put forward is a proposal to try 69 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: to give us time to land a much better process 70 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: that I think Matt and I share about moving forward 71 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: the appropriations bills. What you have to understand is as 72 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: a Texan, it is of the utmost importance to me 73 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: that we find a way to secure the border. I 74 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: now know that's actually important for New York to listening 75 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: to this about how bad the border security issue is. 76 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: That's now a sixty forty seventy thirty issue. I would 77 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: like to head into October in what is now almost 78 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: a certain shutdown. I'd like to head in October with 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: Republicans being on offense telling the Democrats, look, you can 80 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: either shut down the border or shut down the government. 81 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: I think that would be a powerful message. Right now, 82 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: it looks like we're pulling the rule down on that 83 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: and we're back to the table. I'm actually sitting in 84 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: the battles of the Capitol right now. Matt and I 85 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: an't just in a meeting where we're now trying to 86 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: negotiate where we land in terms of the numbers. I 87 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: personally am fine with any level of cuts you want 88 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: to cut to the federal bureaucracy. I'm in. What I'm 89 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: trying to do is find two hundred and eighteen Republicans 90 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: as where we can land on a place to set 91 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: a top line spending level. By the way, this should 92 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: have all been done, with all due respect to our 93 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: mutual friend the Speaker, this should have been done months ago. 94 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: That's a fail. We should have been in August, we 95 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: should have been doing this. But here we sit in September. 96 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to put forward some sort of path 97 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: to be able to cut the federal spending and secure 98 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: the border of the United States. Matt and I share 99 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: that goal. We just disagree on tactics. They've kind of 100 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: moved at this point. We're now back to the drawing board. Literally, 101 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: I've got a whiteboard in front of me. We're at 102 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: the drawing board now trying to figure out what to 103 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: do next. 104 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: Well, my understanding is the bill might have gotten pulled. 105 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: Is that true? 106 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: It's correct. Yes, So we're now we're all again, same goals. 107 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: We're at the drawing board now trying to figure out 108 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: how to get to two hundred and eighteen agreement in 109 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: this conference to do what the American people want. 110 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: And by the way, even if the conference agrees, we 111 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: do need to point out that your one half of 112 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: one branch of government. It's not like you're all powerful 113 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: here with a very slim majority. Matt, let's get your take. 114 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 3: Well. 115 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 4: First, I want to thank the thousands of Americans who 116 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: helped us bring down the Donald cr which now seems 117 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 4: to be dead. Certainly, no one in Congress takes his 118 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: second share to Chip Roy when it comes to understanding 119 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: the border and wanting to cut spending. I believe that 120 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: the only way we will successfully cut spending and root 121 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 4: out the woken weaponized government is to force these intoual 122 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 4: agencies to step forward and defend their budgets. Chip and 123 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: I both want to do that. And we have to 124 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: ask ourselves, in eight months of Republicans being in control, 125 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 4: why haven't we? And I think Congress Monroy absolutely diagnoses 126 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 4: this correctly. This is a failure of House Speaker Kevin 127 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 4: McCarthy to live up to the agreement that he made 128 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: in January. And the original sin there is that Speaker 129 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 4: McCarthy did this terrible debt limit deal with Joe Biden 130 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: and the Democrats. Part of the deal we made with 131 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 4: the Speaker required these twelve separate spending bills. And I 132 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 4: just I've been here for seven years, Sean, I've seen 133 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 4: Washington pond and kick the can down the road. Well, 134 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: just give us another thirty days, and the result is 135 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 4: usually the same. So things may get worse before they 136 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: get better. They probably will. But I also, you know, 137 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 4: we were in I'll bring in the listeners inside the room. 138 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 4: Chip and I were in a Republican strategy meeting this 139 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 4: morning and we had one of our more moderate members 140 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 4: stand up at the microphone and say, you know, I 141 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: can vote for an eight percent cut, and I really 142 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 4: want to do that because if I have to individually 143 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 4: start voting against programs rather than just voting for a percentage, 144 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: well that'll be real difficult for me politically. So I 145 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: just want to talk about five percent or eight percent, 146 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: and I really need to avoid programmatic review. And you 147 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: see that's the problem with this paradigm. It is a 148 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: punt and it is a punt in a game where 149 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 4: we are behind. So I think we need to go 150 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 4: for it. We need to kick into overdrive and try 151 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 4: to get these bills out as fast as possible. And 152 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 4: if we have to endure a shutdown, we may have 153 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: to hold the Speaker accountable for that shutdown because it 154 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 4: was his failure to manage the calendar that has put 155 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: us here. 156 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: Yet. 157 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look again, Matt and I are very 158 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: much on the same page. Here's the thing that I 159 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: would throw back as a counter in terms of our tactics. 160 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: For me, one hundred percent agree we need to set 161 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 1: a top line that will bring two hundred and eighteen 162 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: Republicans together to move appropriations bills forward. But I will 163 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: say this, we also need to put Democrats on defense. 164 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: And right now now Democrats are feeling the heat in 165 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: New York. Mayor Adams is feeling the heat, Chuck Schumer 166 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: is feeling the heat. New Yorkers are starting to feel 167 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: the heat of the border situation we've been dealing with 168 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: in Texas. So my tactic call would be not a 169 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: cr not carrying out the same bull crapt we normally 170 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: do in this town. We would do what we've never 171 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: done ever in the history of this Republic. We would 172 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: have put forward an eight percent cut to the non defense, 173 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: non veteran bureaucracy and HR two, a bill that would 174 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: stop releases, force microprotection protocols, force the issue with the 175 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: with the with the border in terms of not allowing 176 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: people to get released into the United States. 177 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: Well, Chip, let me ask you. 178 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: I don't want to interrupt your thought process here, sure, 179 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: but you're going to get the Senate to go along 180 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: with that? 181 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: Well, the Senate? What's the Senate going to go along? 182 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: That's not my job. My job is to get something 183 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: out of the House the key But what are we 184 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: are we going to get the Senate to go along 185 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: with the spending cuts we're talking about, Sean. The fact 186 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: is we have to stand up to do what the 187 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: American people said us here. I think Matt and I 188 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: probably agree on this point. Send over everything we've got 189 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: fire and then forced Chuck Schumer to have to defend it. 190 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: I just tactically thought it was more beneficial to give 191 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: our Republicans a place to be able to message on 192 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: offense on October one, when we're shut down. I think 193 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: we should have passed that in thirty seconds been done 194 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: with it, and then we should have forced Kevin to 195 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: go adhere to the spending levels that we've talked about, 196 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: and all of us get in a ruined sort it out. 197 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: That's the only difference in opinion here. Again, it's somewhat moved. 198 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 4: This is Matt Gates. There's other I believe that the 199 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 4: false premise here is that the only way for Republicans 200 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 4: to go on offense on the border is with a 201 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: cr that isolates border policy. I actually think that we 202 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 4: could go on offense on the border by passing our 203 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 4: Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill. I think we could 204 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,479 Speaker 4: go on offense on the border by impeaching Alejandro Majorcis 205 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: as Kevin McCarthy, you know, sort of, and it gas 206 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 4: led us to at the beginning of this year. So 207 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 4: we both want to ge there. But I don't think 208 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 4: that we have to surrender every other fight just to 209 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 4: isolate the border. 210 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: But Matt, we're not surrendering every other fight, Matt. We 211 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: agree on the ability to do that. Happy to go 212 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: past DHS tomorrow. But look, I'm looking at a board 213 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: right now that if we're at the limit, save grow 214 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: levels from the spring, we're selling to our colleagues a 215 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: thirty percent cut to all of the non defense, non 216 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: veteran spending. How lujah, you and I would be on 217 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: board with that one hundred percent, Buddy, I'm all in, 218 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: But you know as well as I know, we don't 219 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: have two hundred and eighteen to do that. I'm happy 220 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: to have the vote on it, force the vote. I'm fine. 221 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: You and I agree on all those things. But what 222 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: we're trying to do is figure out how we can 223 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: actually stand in the breach and win a shutdown fight. 224 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: That's literally the only difference here is a tactical difference 225 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: of how to send a message to the country. We 226 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: are for cutting spending. We are for securing the border. 227 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: We're for ending the woke military and making a mission first. 228 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: We're for ending the destruction. 229 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 4: Of the DJ. 230 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: An eight percent cut of DJ is a massive out 231 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: of the weaponization of the DJ. 232 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: I don't think not over thirty days. I mean this 233 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: eight percent cut is not a cut in perpetuity. It's 234 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 4: a cut for thirty days. So they might not buy 235 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 4: some laptops, so they may cancel some subscriptions, But I 236 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 4: don't think that an you know, an eight percent cut. 237 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 4: There is going to create programmatic reform and in such 238 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 4: a short time period. And we may disagree on that, 239 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 4: but I worry that it sends another message. It sends 240 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 4: a message that governing by continuing resolution is okay, so 241 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 4: long as we draft the continuing resolution. And the point 242 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 4: that we made together in January is that there's a 243 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 4: broader principle here that we shouldn't be taking these votes 244 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: lumping all these disparate agencies of government together in one 245 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: up or down decision calculus. That that isious. You know, 246 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 4: that's unseious. I know that'sun serious. And the reason we're 247 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 4: here is because this was mismanaged. We should have passed 248 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 4: a defense appropriation alongside the Defense Authorizing Bill. We should 249 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: have passed a border appropriation alongside the HR two legislation 250 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 4: that you were one of their principal architects of. But 251 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 4: here's what they do. They passed the policy so everybody 252 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 4: can send out, send out their press releases. But when 253 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 4: it comes to the check to sending the money to 254 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 4: these entities, far too often the Washington game is to 255 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 4: back everybody up against the against the end of the year, 256 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 4: threaten the horrors of shutdown politics and find enough people 257 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 4: to cave and capitulate. I am not going to cave. 258 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: I am not going to surrender. I am not going 259 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 4: to vote for a CR. It seems as though a 260 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 4: sufficient number of Republicans have held that position. And so 261 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: now you know, as we get off the conversation with Sean, 262 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 4: we'll roll up our sleeves together, get on that whiteboard 263 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 4: and figure out where we can convince our colleagues to 264 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 4: come along with us. And the cuts to the Biden 265 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: government spending that so offends our voters and our fellow Americans. 266 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: Well, and let me jump in here, Sean, Matt's had 267 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: a long run. The fact of the matter is the 268 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: Senate was not going to accept what we were just 269 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: going to pass. The Senate would not accept a CR 270 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: or a continuing spending at the government an eight percent 271 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: cut with an HR two border security bill. That was 272 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: not going to happen, not at all. So it's not 273 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: governing by lumping stuff together. It's sending a clear message 274 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: of what our priority is while we're actually working to 275 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: do the work we should have been doing for months. 276 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: As I totally agree, in order to win the fight, 277 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: because what the risk is right now by my friends here. 278 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: The risk here is that we're going to have some 279 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: of our more moderate members who are going to say, 280 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm washing my hands of this. I'm 281 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: going to accept a clean cr from the Senate, and 282 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: then you guys are going to all be looking on 283 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: the outside looking in while we're allowing that to be 284 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: continuing to fund the Pelosi spending, the seventeen Republicans who 285 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: sold out in the Senate to join Pelosi, to spend 286 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: at the levels they're spending at at the policies that 287 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: they've embraced, and we're not going to secure the border 288 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: of the United States. My job is to secure the 289 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: board of the United States for the Texans who are 290 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: dying from pentel poisoning, while migrants are dying and getting 291 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: sold in the sex trafficking trade, and we piss around 292 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: in Washington look at each other. So that's why I'm 293 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: going to stand up and fight for them and try 294 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: to move something for that I think will actually accomplish 295 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: the objective. 296 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 2: I think the key word that both of you have 297 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 2: spoken about here, and maybe there's just tactical differences here. 298 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: The one thing I'm observing from the outside and I'm 299 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: agreeing with everything all of you are saying, why they 300 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: didn't you, the Republican Caucus didn't start this process earlier 301 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: is mind numbing to me. It makes no sense to 302 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: me why you aren't working during August. That makes no 303 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: sense to me. And no, people have to get back 304 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: to their districts. But you know what, the work in 305 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: Washington matters too. The one thing that at the end 306 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: of the day, and I think you both agree with this, 307 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: you're all either going to succeed or fail together. And 308 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: how do you define success? I would define successes is 309 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: standing by the promises you made to the American people. 310 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: And at that point, political calculations be damned. I think 311 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: it's good politics to keep your promises. 312 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: Am I wrong? 313 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: Matt? 314 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: You're absolutely right. It's good politics for members of the House. 315 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 4: It's also good politics for the speaker. He made promises. 316 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 4: And while Chip and I disagree strongly on where we 317 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 4: stand right now tactically, we're both concurring that the reason 318 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 4: we are here is because Kevin McCarthy failed to keep 319 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: his promises. 320 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: Matt, I'm not interrupting you. Hang on, I'm going to 321 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: hold you through the break toll free it's eight hundred 322 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: ninety one, Sean. If you want to be a part 323 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: of the program. Congressman MATC Gads, Congressman Chip Roy dealing 324 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: with the eleven day deadline in terms of whether there'll 325 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: be a government shutdown. What are the best strategies, tactics, plans, 326 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: options available at this moment. We'll get back to that 327 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: in a second. Your call is also coming up. Eight 328 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: hundred ninety four to one, Shawn, our number. We'll continue 329 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: twenty five to the top of the hour. Thank you 330 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: for being with us, toll free. Our numbers eight hundred 331 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: and ninety four to one, Sean. If you want to 332 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: be a part of the program or with Matt Gates 333 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: and Chip Roy in a second, I want to remind 334 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: you these are tough economic times. 335 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: They just are. Look at interest rates. 336 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: At sixty one percent of Americans living paycheck to paycheck. 337 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: Many Americans literally are tapping into their pensions or are 338 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: putting bare necessities now on their credit cards. I mean, 339 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: and the credit card rate interest rate hovering anywhere from 340 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: twenty to twenty five percent. This is insanity. Anyway, If 341 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: you do own a home, you might have another option 342 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: available to you, and that's where my friends at American 343 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: Financing dot net come in and you might be able 344 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: to use equity you have in your home to pay 345 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: off the debt. And by the way, get out of 346 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: the Biden debt cycle. 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We continue now, where 366 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: what eleven days away from a potential government shutdown, Republicans 367 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: had reached what seemed like a tentative agreement, a short 368 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: term stopgap measure continuing resolution that would temporarily fund the 369 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: government through October thirty first, uh, that bill would impose 370 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: an eight percent spending cut on federal agencies, wouldn't include 371 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: the National Defense budget, the Department of Veterans Affairs, or 372 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: any amounts that have been designated for disaster relief. And 373 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: it would also provide border security provisions that obviously have 374 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: been on a top priority for conservatives. Looting yours truly 375 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: for a long time. Anyway, we continue now, Florida Congress Macates, 376 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: Texas Congressman Ship Roy. They've been very you know, hands 377 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: on in terms of, you know, how to deal with 378 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: this impast that we currently have. All Right, you guys 379 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: talk about going back to your whiteboard, You talk about, 380 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 2: you know, coming to some type of consensus here. So 381 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: the plan that you had put forward that's kind of 382 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: dead on arrival. I don't know, what's the next step. 383 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: Matt Well. 384 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: I believe we have to endeavor to get the individual 385 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 4: spending bills to the floor that we can to send 386 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 4: them to the Senate and do set the paradigm that 387 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 4: that is the way in which we will negotiate. We're 388 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 4: going to have to get to a negotiation with the 389 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 4: Senate and with the White House. That's what you have 390 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 4: to do in divided government. But I'd rather be negotiating 391 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 4: the features of individual bills for individual agencies rather than 392 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 4: negotiating on their turf. 393 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: On that, well, let me ask you what in October 394 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: thirty first extension through a CR you know, allow enough 395 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: time to get the twelve spending bills passed. 396 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 4: It surrenders the frame, Sean. What it says is that 397 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: there is a paradigm under which the Continuing Resolutions will 398 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 4: still govern this House. And what I believed when Kevin 399 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 4: McCarthy became Speaker is that the era of the omnibus 400 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 4: Bill and the Continuing Resolution was over. Now we ought 401 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: to fire the Appropriations Chairman for this. We may need 402 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: to fire the Speaker over it, frankly, because it is 403 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 4: so embarrassing, Like we can't blame Joe Biden and the 404 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 4: Democrats for not being on time with our own spending bills. 405 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 2: That well, let me ask you, because you've been very outspoken, 406 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: you're not a fan of Kevin McCarthy's. Okay, let's let's 407 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: say you put that forward, that motion to vacate, which 408 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: it seemed like you're planning to do. What is the 409 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: net result of that politically for House members? 410 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: How does that work out? 411 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 4: It is entirely within Kevin McCarthy's control whether a motion 412 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 4: of vacate is filed. He has to do what he 413 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 4: agreed to do. Otherwise we all look like fools. We 414 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: have to have a vote on term limits, we have 415 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 4: to have a vote on balance budgets, we have to 416 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 4: single subject spending bills. The release of the January sixth 417 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 4: tapes he promised and fulsome over. 418 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: By the way, that's all easy stuff. That's not hard 419 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: to have votes on any of those things. Well, that's 420 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: not a heavy lift. Well, I mean, good question, But 421 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 2: I mean, is that not something that can be handled? 422 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: Let me bring in chip chip. Do you think that's 423 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 2: the best plan or the best idea? 424 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: Sure? I mean, and one hundred percent been on board 425 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: with those things and remain on board with those things. 426 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: The question here is for me is I want to win, 427 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: and I want to win for the American people. So 428 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: what are we going to do over the next eleven days. 429 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: I am totally on board with setting a And by 430 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: the way, we're now in a posture where there is 431 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: no alternative. So what we're talking about is now a 432 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: fresh start. So now we say, okay, now what sitting 433 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: here on September, whatever the data is, nineteen, we go 434 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: forward and we set a spending level that we can 435 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: get the votes for now that could be fourteen seventy one, 436 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: That could be what we talked about in January. If 437 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: you do that, as I said, but Chip. 438 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: You also have to deal with the reality there are 439 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: people that are not like us, that are conservative, that 440 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: want a significant reduction in government spending. We can't continue 441 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 2: to burden our kids with thirty three trillion in debt. 442 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: And yeah, we need our border secure. 443 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 2: That's a top priority for me, and I know it's 444 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: for you in down in Texas and frankly the entire 445 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 2: country agreed. 446 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: And so my point is, if we want to move forward, 447 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: we can try to get that spending level, which would 448 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: be a thirty percent I want to remind you a 449 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: third cut to all of the non defense non veteran spending. 450 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm for that, I suspect, and I think Matt said earlier, 451 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Key's for that. I don't believe we have two hundred 452 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: and eighteen for that, So. 453 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: Tell me how the negotiation goes there. So how do 454 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: you get to two eight. 455 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: Well, what I have been doing all day today is 456 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: laying out on a literally a whiteboard where you lay 457 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: out the option. For example, we could spend at a 458 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: three percent total cut and a fifteen percent cut to 459 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: the non defense on veteran spending, and if we did that, 460 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 1: we would basically return to non defense non veteran spending 461 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: to pre COVID levels. We could do that and that 462 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: number would be more like fifteen fifty four. Now that's 463 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: all in the weed. The point is to the average American, 464 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: we could come to some consensus on a top line 465 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: and move it through if we can get two hundred 466 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: and eighteen. That's what we're trying to do. This is 467 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: all stuff that should have been done in July. This 468 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: is all stuff that should have been done in August. 469 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: But here we sit and we're trying to find a 470 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: solution to do it. But the one critical difference here is, 471 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: and again Matt and I agree ninety nine percent of 472 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: what we're trying to achieve. The critical difference is is 473 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: even if some of our Republican colleagues go and they say, 474 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: we're going to go along with the Democrats and we're 475 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: going to do a discharge petition at CR, we're going 476 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: to take a Senate at CR and advance the ball forward. 477 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: If we end up with not the leverage to fight 478 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: for border security or not what we want to try 479 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: to get on policy and spending, then that is a loss. 480 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how to do that without 481 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: forcing forcing the hands so that we end up with 482 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: what I think will be a worse outcome. The end 483 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: of the day, I just want to win. I want 484 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: to achieve the lowest spending level possible with border security, 485 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: d oj gut it from what they're doing, and Department 486 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: of Defense being focused on mission instead of wokeness, which 487 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: I know Matt agrees to all of those. 488 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: Bus goals you see, but I mean, Matt, there is 489 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: the to eighteen threshold. 490 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: That's the number you need. 491 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: What if you have the ken Bucks of the world 492 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: or other liberal Republicans, Rhino Republicans that are more willing 493 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: to do a deal with Hakeem Jeffries and the Democrats. 494 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 2: And that takes all of your wins off the table. 495 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: How does that look? 496 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 4: I don't think ken Buck is a rhino or likely 497 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: to do a deal with Kim Jeffries. 498 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 3: But why was he against the impeachment inquiry? 499 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 4: He've views that evidence incorrectly, but I don't I wouldn't. 500 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 3: Kind of that's a nice way of putting it. 501 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there are other members that are far 502 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 4: more likely to do deals with Democrats. And here's the 503 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 4: hard truth shown. We may not have the team in 504 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 4: the House of Representatives that can save the country right now. 505 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 4: And if that's the case, I don't believe that we're 506 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 4: out of obfuskate how people are voting. So if we 507 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 4: don't have the votes, let's take the votes, let's watch 508 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 4: them go down. Let's have everybody in every district of 509 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 4: the folks who are not representing their constituents really observe that. 510 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 4: And again, if if what these you know, five or 511 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 4: six or ten moderate Republicans think their districts want them 512 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 4: to do is to give the Biden administration a blank check. 513 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 4: Then I think that they're going to find a different 514 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 4: reaction with their constituents and with the American people. But 515 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 4: I concede that it might take some failed votes before 516 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 4: we get there. But if we can vote fifteen times 517 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 4: on the Speaker of the House, then we should be 518 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 4: able to vote two or three or ten times on 519 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: these appropriations bills to get them in the right shape 520 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 4: where we build consensus. 521 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: Chip, do you see liberal Republicans actually screwing over every 522 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: other Republican by doing something like Matt described? 523 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: I think I want to frame it this way. First, 524 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: I agree with Matt. 525 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 3: You don't like my language there, I liked it, and 526 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: I'm kidding. Go ahead. 527 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: What I want to say that I agree back completely 528 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: on the goal here, and I'm happy to have vote 529 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: after vote after vote we agree on that completely. I'll vote. 530 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm happy to vote. I'm happy to vote on any 531 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: one of these proposals we're putting forward. On your question, 532 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: are there some in our Republican conference who would, ultimately, 533 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: when we get into a shutdown, side with moving some 534 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: sort of a so called clean CR which is garbage, right, 535 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: that's a CR perpetuating the Pelosi you know, horrible spending 536 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: bill that there's center Republicans saddle us with yes. I 537 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: do believe there's a number who would, and I believe 538 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: there's a number that would then go back to the 539 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: constituents and say that's what I'm doing to try to 540 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: keep government going. I disagree with that, but I do 541 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: think that's possible. That's right force to vote, and that 542 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: may happen. But what I don't want to do is 543 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: we end up on October fifteenth in the middle of 544 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: a shutdown and we've moved some appropriations bills, we haven't 545 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: gotten everything done, and suddenly these guys goes, yeah, I 546 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: can't sustain the shutdown. Boom, they vote with a Senate 547 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: and now we've kicked out a cr under the Peloys 548 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: priorities for X number of months in the future. Again, 549 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: Matt and I are aligned. We're trying to move forward, 550 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: and we're going to get back to meetings right now, 551 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, this afternoon, trying to figure out how we 552 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: can you know, get something out and start moving appropriations building. 553 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to hold any longer. You guys 554 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: have been very generous at the time, and both have 555 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: agreed to come on Hannity tonight. I just think the 556 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: country needs to hear both of you and hear this 557 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 2: debate and understand a little bit more deeply how complex 558 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 2: this can get. And you have all these varying factions 559 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: and a very small, very small majority. 560 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 3: Matt, we'll give you the last word. To be fair, we. 561 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 4: Are going to continue to endeavor upon this, and frankly, 562 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 4: we have to do it in spite of our leadership, 563 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 4: not because of them. House leadership has brought us to 564 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 4: the precipice of failure. Chip has been working real hard 565 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 4: to try to really rescue us from that failure. And 566 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: my hope is that we'll be able to build Republican consensus. 567 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 4: And I agree with your fundamental premise, Sean, that we 568 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 4: do rise or fall together. But sometimes you've got to 569 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 4: crack a few eggs on their way to making those omelees. 570 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: Well I'm good at cracking eggs. I'm pretty good at 571 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: that in my life. Anyway, I know you both trying hard. 572 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 2: Appreciate the time you spent with us. We'll see on 573 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: TV tonight MATC Gates, Chip Roy, thank you both. 574 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: Thank you. 575 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 3: Sean. 576 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: Eight hundred nine to four one, Sean, our number if 577 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: you want to be a part of the program. All right, 578 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: let's go to Michael and Colorado. Michael, how are you 579 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: glad you called? 580 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: Sir? 581 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 5: Sean? Thank you so much for taking my call. First of all, 582 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 5: I just want to say I'm a younger Conservative. I'm 583 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 5: twenty seven years old and I've grown up with you, 584 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 5: so thank you for everything you do. 585 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: First of wow, you've got you know, I remember Linda, 586 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: Remember they used to call them Rush babies. Kayley Mcanany said, 587 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm like a Rush Hannity baby. 588 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my gosh, you're making me still now 589 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 3: you're part of that crew. No what is But I'm 590 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 3: very honored Michael. 591 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: If I've had any positive impact in your life, I'm 592 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 2: beyond humble. 593 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: Thank you absolutely. 594 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 5: And I grew up on Rush and you and all 595 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 5: the great it's of radio, George Nori, Jim Bohannon, I've 596 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 5: always loved radio. 597 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 3: So Sean, Wow, you sound like me. That's how I 598 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: grew up. 599 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 5: Absolutely, And So what I was going to talk about, 600 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 5: you know, last week you brought up something really important, 601 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 5: which is the article from David Ignatius about Biden should 602 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 5: not run in twenty twenty four, and you know, he 603 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 5: wrote this article amazingly to me, why would he say 604 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 5: that Biden governed from the center in a polarized nation. 605 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 5: In my opinion, you know, Biden has not governed from 606 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 5: the center whatsoever. Look at illegal immigration right now, everyone's 607 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 5: coming across the border. We're not we're not vetting these people, 608 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 5: and you know, Sean, basically, sorry, I'm all nervous. The 609 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 5: point I wanted to make was, you know, back in 610 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 5: about ten years ago ago, you may remember Obama's aunt, 611 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 5: she was here illegally and she said she had a 612 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 5: limp or something wrong with her leg and she was 613 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 5: granted and this steam multiple times. But the issue here 614 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 5: is that she was here illegally. So basically, the point 615 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 5: I wanted to make is that we're letting people come 616 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 5: across the border right now. They're here illegally, and they're criminals. 617 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 5: They have no right to be here. So I just 618 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 5: don't understand how, you know, David Ignatius could say that, 619 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 5: you know, honestly, he governed from the set, He governs 620 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 5: from the center in the polarized nation. Biden has not 621 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 5: made any effort whatsoever to work with the Republicans on immigration, 622 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 5: and you know, That's really the point that I wanted 623 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 5: to kind of drive home. 624 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: You know, well, Michael, you raise a lot of good points, 625 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 2: and you know my prediction. If you remember, even before 626 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: Mareen Dawn, I kept saying the thing to look for 627 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: is will the media mob begin to turn on him? Well, 628 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: now very prominent left wing liberal voices have turned on him. Anyway, Now, 629 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: what are you going to do with your future? Let 630 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: me ask that question before. 631 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 5: I go absolutely well, Sehn, let me add real quick. 632 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 5: I think it adds to a larger point. I think 633 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 5: it adds to why so many younger people distrust the 634 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 5: Washington Post and legacy media because in David Ignation's one 635 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 5: article where he could come out and he can be 636 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 5: fully transparent and say, listen, did not govern from the center. 637 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 5: He's not doing that. So you say, well, why do 638 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 5: younger people, millennials like myself distrust legacy media. It's because 639 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 5: these people are not being honest in their reporting. And 640 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 5: you know it's people, Well, it's. 641 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: Even more than that. 642 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 2: They just outright lie, spread conspiracy theories and they're just 643 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: the partisan hacks. The only reason reason they're doing this 644 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: now is because they don't think Joe can win they're 645 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: doubting he can win. 646 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 3: H question, what are your career goals? Real quick? Just 647 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: give me a headline. 648 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 5: Well, you know, right now I'm working for a goodwill 649 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 5: a donation company, but you know I want to help people. 650 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 5: I've always loved politics. I was in Young Republicans as 651 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 5: a teenager, and you know, the political system is always 652 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 5: something I've been very passionate about. You know, how our 653 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 5: democracy works, how legislation is made, and you know I 654 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 5: love Let me. 655 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: Let me give you some advice only because I'm up 656 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: against the clock. You understand, if you've been a listener 657 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: to the show, yes, find your passion and then just 658 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: find a way to make money at it enough that 659 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: you can raise a family. 660 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 5: Okay, thank you so much, Shawn, I appreciate it. 661 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, glad you're out there. Eight hundred 662 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: nine four one Seawn. All right, that's gonna wrap things 663 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: up at today. 664 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 2: Hannity nine Eastern. Please set DVR so you never ever 665 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: miss an episode. Biden's disastrous speech at the UN, the 666 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: House GOP, the looming government shutdown? What does it mean? 667 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: How will Republicans handle? They got eleven days left? Chip 668 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: broy met Gates tonight and we'll have the latest on 669 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: the energy crisis, and also we'll check in with Nikky 670 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: Haley tonight, nine Eastern, Set your DVR, Hannity on Fox 671 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: back here tomorrow. 672 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 3: Thank you for making the show possible.