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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: I got to start out with actually something really funny

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Speaker 1: and good, which you know is a rarity these days,

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Speaker 1: but in the way of these racist white governors banning

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Speaker 1: any form of diversity, equity and inclusion and all of

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Speaker 1: this racism that we're seeing because I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: call it pushback and I'm not going to provide euphemisms

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Speaker 1: for it in the way that mainstream media does, which

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Speaker 1: is absolute bullshit. When you have fucking white people in

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Speaker 1: power deciding that no one can have access to anything

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Speaker 1: other than other white people, that is called white supremacy,

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Speaker 1: plain and simple. But long fucking live Black Twitter. I

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Speaker 1: don't give a fuck what you call Elon Musk's broke

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Speaker 1: down platform. But this is why folks like Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: and others want to discredit, dismember communication and social media

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Speaker 1: and just create a on ramp for racist and anti semites.

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Speaker 1: And the rest is because after the horrific bridge collapse

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Speaker 1: of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, which I

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Speaker 1: went to school in the DMV area, and when driving

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Speaker 1: that bridge. I don't even know how many times over

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Speaker 1: the course of the years that I live down there,

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Speaker 1: So to see its collapse was incredibly jarring, right to

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Speaker 1: say the least, and also my own worst nightmare. I

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Speaker 1: have such fear of driving over bridges for this very reason.

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, when the Mayor of Baltimore, Brandon Scott, young

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Speaker 1: black man was on the news speaking alongside Wes Moore,

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Speaker 1: the Black Governor, MAGA was losing its mind. Oh look

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Speaker 1: at the DEI mayor. And so black Twitter has decided

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Speaker 1: to do exactly what it is that the MAGA folks

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Speaker 1: have wanted to do and have done, And mainstream media

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Speaker 1: has been accomplices to the fact that we know that

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Speaker 1: DEI and woke and critical race theory are terms that

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Speaker 1: they have used to disguide the N word that they

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Speaker 1: want to fucking use. Right, So instead of saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're banning de and I, what they want to say

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Speaker 1: is we're banning N words from coming into our state,

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Speaker 1: from infiltrating our systems of power, right, Like, oh, we

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Speaker 1: don't need no N words and blah blah blah, that's

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Speaker 1: what the fuck they're doing. So Black Twitter. The reason

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Speaker 1: why dei was trending yesterday brilliantly is because Black Twitter

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Speaker 1: turned it into the biggest fucking joke and open secret,

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Speaker 1: which is what these people are, a fucking joke.

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Speaker 2: And so you.

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Speaker 1: Had, you know, people using dei instead of the N

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Speaker 1: word and seeing how well it fits in things, and

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Speaker 1: the memes and the tweets were fucking hysterical. And this

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Speaker 1: is what I realized consistently about white racists and why

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Speaker 1: plus people and everyone that's not white and straight insists

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Speaker 1: is because particularly black people, because we will take your bullshit,

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Speaker 1: write your fucking lies, your stereotypes, your hate, and we

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Speaker 1: will turn it into something beautiful. We will turn it

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Speaker 1: into art, we will turn it into comedy, we will

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Speaker 1: turn it into music. We will turn it into the

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Speaker 1: fuel that lights us. And that is why white supremacists

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Speaker 1: hate black folks and hate people of color, and hate

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Speaker 1: anybody that doesn't look like them, love like them. What

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Speaker 1: have you name it, but it is the beautiful brilliance

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Speaker 1: of black Twitter and black people. It is a gift

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Speaker 1: to be able to use write the weapons right that

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Speaker 1: your oppressors try and wield at you and take away

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Speaker 1: all of its power. And so if you have not

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Speaker 1: been on Twitter and seen DEI trending, go give yourself

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Speaker 1: and witness the Black Twitter's brilliance because it is just beyond.

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Speaker 1: And I say all that to say, folks, that you

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Speaker 1: know what. And I want to share this post by

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Speaker 1: Kazim Rashid, who posted on Threads yesterday as well and

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Speaker 1: said this quote. Magas are labeling DEI as quote didn't

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Speaker 1: earn it, which is wild because in reality, generating historic

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Speaker 1: wealth through two billion acres of stolen land from Native Americans,

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Speaker 1: enslaving black people for three hundred years, banning Asian immigration

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Speaker 1: till nineteen seventy four, all without paying a single red

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Speaker 1: cent and reparations or restitution, is the living, breathing example

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Speaker 1: of not earning it. There you have it, dear friends. Right,

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Speaker 1: we see what they are doing, so let's call it

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Speaker 1: for what it is. Right. It is an assault on diversity,

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Speaker 1: is an assault on people of color. The election of

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama had these motherfucker's brain break in half. And

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Speaker 1: what do I mean by that? Because witnessing an exceptional, successful,

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Speaker 1: by being celebrated around the world and in this country,

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Speaker 1: were losing their hold in their power. So what do

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Speaker 1: they have to do? They got to put up their

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Speaker 1: fucking worst, their whitest, most ignorant, most racist, most misogynist,

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Speaker 1: most islamophobic, most transphobic, homophobic, you name it that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump represents to show off right that we can be

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Speaker 1: sewer scum. So long as we are white, we will

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Speaker 1: always hold power. And I'm telling you, folks, what we

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Speaker 1: are witnessing right now is the crumbling of the lie

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Speaker 1: of American exceptionalism, of the lie of post racial America,

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Speaker 1: of the lie. And the veils are falling so that

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Speaker 1: we can see this country, this world for what it is.

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Speaker 1: And yes, that reality is indeed painful because when you've

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Speaker 1: been in esting right this sacraine of American exceptionalism. Real

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Speaker 1: food doesn't taste good. Your body has to adjust to

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Speaker 1: that reality. But it is reality none the fucking less.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm not going to pretend right like mainstream

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Speaker 1: fuck is in these people's hearts. Yes we do, and

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Speaker 1: we've been known. You think these motherfuckers deserve the benefit

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Speaker 1: of the fucking doubt, miss me with it. They are racist.

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Speaker 1: They are white supremacists. And when you are upholding and

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Speaker 1: shutting off space and opportunity for anybody who is not white,

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Speaker 1: that is white supremacy. We will call it by its name,

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Speaker 1: whether it's DEI or it's woke or its critical race.

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Speaker 1: What it is is their desire to uphold their power.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you it don't matter. At the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, they are going to lose.

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Speaker 1: These are the last gasps and breaths, but they are

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Speaker 1: going to lose. And I will laugh, I will laugh,

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Speaker 1: and we will laugh at the bonfire that they created.

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Speaker 1: Do not get it twisted. The days may be dark,

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Speaker 1: my friends, but we still remain the light coming up next,

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Speaker 1: my conversation with a new voice to wok F Daily,

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Speaker 1: Lark Lewis. Lark Lewis is the co host of Hearsay,

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Speaker 1: which is produced in conjunction with National Women's Law Center,

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Speaker 1: and on each episode of Hearsay, their multi generational hosts

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Speaker 1: discuss how gender, power and the law impact pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Lark is their millennial host of the show and she

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Speaker 1: digital channels. I really enjoyed this conversation a lot. It

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Speaker 1: fresh voices. Took F. So I hope you all enjoy

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Speaker 1: my conversation with Lark Lewis. Coming up next, folks, I

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Speaker 1: am very excited to welcome to OKAF Daily for the

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Speaker 1: very first time Lark Lewis, who is one of the

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Speaker 1: co hosts of the podcast Hearsay at the National Women

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Speaker 1: pop culture, how our depictions of gender have really affected

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, I would say of safety, right,

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Speaker 1: And when I talk about safety, I mean like our

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Speaker 1: terms of understanding the rule of law. So I want

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Speaker 1: us more about Hearsay, and then we can kind of

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Speaker 1: think another real gender inflection point as it pertains to

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Well, I first want to say thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for having me on your show. I'm a

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Speaker 2: longtime listener, first time caller, as they say, so I'm

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Speaker 2: excited to be here and chat all the things. I

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Speaker 2: feel like your show is like my Obama anger translator,

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Speaker 2: Like everything you say on your show is in my

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Speaker 2: So I'm super excited to be here. It's been super

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Speaker 2: fun to delve into this world of podcasting with Hearsay

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Speaker 2: standard stuff. Go subscribe list and follow all of the things.

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Speaker 2: We've had so much fun of making it and make

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Speaker 2: those connections, like you said, of the stuff we see

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Speaker 2: because we see it all the time. Working out the

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Speaker 2: National Women's Laws and they're like Oh, that actually is

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Speaker 2: because of this, that and the other, right, right, there's

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Speaker 2: a reason this is happening right now. It's just harder

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Speaker 2: it's not fun to think about that. All of these

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Speaker 2: things have been planned for. They're happening for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah, I think that what is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm old enough to say that. I remember

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Speaker 1: how stories of women of independence, of you know, access

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Speaker 1: shame around what it means that, like you were divorced

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Speaker 1: and Virginia Slims telling that's that if you smoke cigarettes, right,

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Speaker 1: wonder from those kind of depictions that we can have

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, I could talk about this for years and

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Speaker 2: years and years. We did an episode about abortion stories

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Speaker 2: And watching that post the Fall of Row first of

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Speaker 2: you up and support you to do that. Right. The

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Speaker 2: And so many of our communities are doing that, but

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Speaker 2: they're not supported by our governmental systems, by our states systems.

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Speaker 2: And so it's really really interesting to see that even

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Speaker 2: And I, yeah, I have so much to say about it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's such a lie. We sell people, much

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Speaker 2: And that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love it that you said that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we should be able to do it all and then

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Speaker 1: because that feeling bad part is really placed on women, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so, I mean we when COVID struck the

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Speaker 2: new this is going to be really bad for women. Right,

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Speaker 2: Anything that is fundamentally bad for a country is going

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Speaker 2: can't be the new normal. We need these supports. And

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Speaker 2: for a little bit of time there was a great

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Speaker 2: things are not back to quote unquote normal. Who's to

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Speaker 2: We're teachers, we're care providers and working their jobs. We

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Speaker 2: It's hard when you have fire after fire after fire,

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Speaker 2: so then they got road to fall, and then it's

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Speaker 2: We saw it in Alabama. Almost hours after that ruling

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Speaker 1: At the time that we're recording this interview, you know,

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Like, well, like we say that it should be a

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Speaker 1: as if I wonder sometimes if democrats and progressives don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think one thing is, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I think, like you said, we're starting to see

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it comes back to the

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Speaker 2: When we talk about exceptions and limitations, we obviously don't

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Speaker 2: want any, but a huge barrier.

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Speaker 1: To that is the economic impact of right because we've

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Speaker 1: always had the High Amendment in place that never allowed

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Speaker 1: for federal monies to be able to go towards that.

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Speaker 1: It was always going to come out of pocket.

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Speaker 2: Right, And we're still fighting. You know, we're in the

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Speaker 2: budgeting process right now. Congress passes a budget every year,

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Speaker 2: the President passes a budget. They all have to agree

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Speaker 2: on it, and the High Amendment is always in there,

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Speaker 2: and that's going to attack lower income folks and the

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Speaker 2: people that need that care the most. So I hope.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is naive of me, but

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Speaker 2: I hope seeing how swiftly things have progressed in such

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Speaker 2: a bad, bad way since the fall of Row, I

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Speaker 2: hope is kind of revolutionizing people to have it click

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Speaker 2: in their heads the same way that the right has

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Speaker 2: kind of publicly vocally been messaging it on the other

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Speaker 2: side that this is all connected. It's not going to stop.

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Speaker 2: It's not just about this one little issue. It's everything,

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Speaker 2: and they're coming for it all and we're seeing that,

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Speaker 2: and I think folks are getting impacted at every step.

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Speaker 2: Right you're doctor visit, you're getting impacted if your kids

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Speaker 2: in school all the books they're reading, or the people

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Speaker 2: on the school board are affecting your life. You know,

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Speaker 2: your taxes, and the people running for your county board

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Speaker 2: of supervisors are affecting things. And so I think we're

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Speaker 2: we're getting to a real pressure point of people feeling

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Speaker 2: the impacts of all of these bad decisions that have

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Speaker 2: been coordinated from the right for decades, literally since Row.

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Speaker 2: It's coming to a head, and I hope people are

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Speaker 2: still able to be in the fight and realize this

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Speaker 2: is messed up. It doesn't take a huge amount of

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Speaker 2: effort from us to vote these people out and to

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Speaker 2: stay vocal and stay active. I think we've seen a

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Speaker 2: ton of people share their stories and normalize abortion sharing

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Speaker 2: a little bit more. I think in the past couple

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Speaker 2: of years, we've seen so many celebrities included in their

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Speaker 2: memoir and have writed it into shows and scripts and

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Speaker 2: make it kind of just like, oh, yeah, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: consider abortion. You know, they're gonna have an upset on abortion.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a big part of it too,

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Speaker 2: It is to not make it this scary boogey man,

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Speaker 2: because we all love someone who's had an abortion. So

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Speaker 2: it's just.

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Speaker 1: Wild to me that you know that young women and

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Speaker 1: people with uterusies are now in an America that I

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Speaker 1: could have never imagined, right, and it's one that many

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Speaker 1: people have always understood America to be, which is, if

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Speaker 1: you were poor, if you're a person of color, if

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Speaker 1: you you know the limitations to your freedom. But I

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Speaker 1: also think that like the fall of Roe v. Wade

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Speaker 1: is going to have much in the same way that

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Speaker 1: having Roe v Wade kicked off this era of the

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Speaker 1: girl boss of you can do whatever, have whatever, this

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Speaker 1: idea of female empowerment and independence. I wonder what the

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Speaker 1: repercussions in terms of you you've said radicalization, what will

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Speaker 1: actually happen. Will it be like the tradwives become like

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Speaker 1: the vibe and the thing, or is it going to

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Speaker 1: be that you know, there is going to be a

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Speaker 1: fourth or fifth wave of feminism and fighting that gets

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Speaker 1: back what once was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think there's definitely gonna be a there's

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Speaker 2: always gonna be the tradwives. There's always going to be

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Speaker 2: those people. I think we're already seeing. I'm a millennial.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing millennials take a really different approach and look

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Speaker 2: at choosing to have children or what their families look like.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I see in the New York Times,

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Speaker 2: like every other week feature on a non traditional family,

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Speaker 2: right of a couple and their friend and maybe their

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Speaker 2: friend's brother, all living in a brownstone. No one can

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Speaker 2: buy a house anymore, but together you can pull your resources.

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Speaker 2: They take care of their kids, they work and have

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Speaker 2: this cool life that is not what we think of

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Speaker 2: an a traditional sense of family. And so I think

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Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot of that. I think even the

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Speaker 2: fact that we're seeing discourse around tradwives from just normal

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Speaker 2: everyday people, quote unquote, not anthropological scholars, you know, not

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Speaker 2: reproductive rights lawyers, people on TikTok, Who are your neighbor,

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Speaker 2: who are next to you in school pickup line? Who

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Speaker 2: are you know? The person serpaty or coffee is saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is fake, like she's lying, This is not real,

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Speaker 2: you know. I think that is a huge, huge break

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Speaker 2: and all of that cultural discourse makes such a huge difference, right,

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Speaker 2: just talking about things, having those conversations with people, and

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Speaker 2: having it click in our brains that this is not

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Speaker 2: just what we've been told. It's kind of like removing

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Speaker 2: the curtain and seeing who's behind it. You're seeing that

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Speaker 2: all of this is coordinated, that all of this is

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Speaker 2: not just what we've been told of. You can do

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Speaker 2: it all and this is great and grow up, get

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Speaker 2: a job, buy a house, and have some kids. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's not the reality. And I think probably I feel

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Speaker 2: like from like gen X on, like my mom, that

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Speaker 2: was the first thing she said when Rofel was like,

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Speaker 2: I can't believe this. I'm living in this world, right,

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Speaker 2: and you are living in this world and from here

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Speaker 2: on out generations are possibly not going to have this

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Speaker 2: ever again. And so I think there's kind of this

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Speaker 2: understanding or realization really that the jig is up right.

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Speaker 2: We're coming for it all. We're unionizing, we're like not

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Speaker 2: just we're quite quitting. We're doing all of these things.

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Speaker 2: We realize that they don't care about us, so you

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Speaker 2: have to keep about yourself and we have to take

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Speaker 2: care of each other, and so I definitely see a

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Speaker 2: lot of that happening, and I think it's only going

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Speaker 2: to continue.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, yeah, for the work that you

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Speaker 1: were doing, and you know, for this conversation. It's greatly appreciated. Folks,

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Speaker 1: go and subscribe and listen to hearsay. Lark is one

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Speaker 1: of the multi generational co hosts of the pod, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's an important one.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you so much, Danielle, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on wok

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Speaker 1: f as always, power to the people and to all

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Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.