Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio Final Hour. On this Thursday, Bill Walton will
Speaker 1: stop buying about twenty minutes from now more phone calls
Speaker 1: on the way. Steelers hold off the Ravens. Bud Dupree
Speaker 1: loss for the season with a torn acl Lebron extends
Speaker 1: his deal two more years. Anthony Davis has signed up
Speaker 1: for five more years with the Lakers. Michigan and Maryland
Speaker 1: has been canceled. The Rockets ship Russell Westbrook to the
Speaker 1: Wizards for John wall You know, the funny thing about
Speaker 1: NBA contracts is we celebrate them when the players sign them,
Speaker 1: and then forget about them when they turn into albatrosses.
Speaker 1: And that's when you go, wait, he signed for how much?
Speaker 1: Wait he's owed how much? Well? Washington reportedly dealt John
Speaker 1: Wallen his three year, one hundred thirty two million dollars
Speaker 1: deal to Houston for Russell Westbrook and his three year,
Speaker 1: one hundred thirty three million dollar contract. Westbrook is at
Speaker 1: least one an MVP, he was third team All NBA
Speaker 1: last year, and he'll be reunited with his former coach
Speaker 1: Scottie Brooks in DC. John wall gets to go to
Speaker 1: Houston where he gets to watch James Harden shoot. And
Speaker 1: keep in mind both teams were trading distressed assets and
Speaker 1: that's what made this difficult because Westbrook wanted out. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like a one year experiment. Now I've seen enough,
Speaker 1: I want out. I want to be my guy, play
Speaker 1: my game. John Wall hasn't played. December of twenty eight
Speaker 1: teen is last time he played. Even if John Wall's healthy,
Speaker 1: I still think the Wizard's got the better end of
Speaker 1: this deal. I don't know what John Wall is going
Speaker 1: to be like coming back from a torn Achilles, but
Speaker 1: this is one of those trades where you go, we'll
Speaker 1: take your guy that you don't want, and you take
Speaker 1: our guy that we don't want, And then we're gonna
Speaker 1: find out. Bradley Beale want to play with Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: or does he want to be traded? Does James Harden
Speaker 1: still want to be traded? Or does he say, oh,
Speaker 1: John Wall, Yeah, I'd love to play with John Wall.
Speaker 1: Eight seven having three DP show email address, DP oft
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show Kyle
Speaker 1: and California is back on the program. Hi, Kyle, ADP.
Speaker 1: You know you're totally right with John Wall and Ross.
Speaker 1: Who knows what the heck is gonna happen. Those two
Speaker 1: are just going to be a blur up down the court,
Speaker 1: throwing it to whoever wentever. But Lebron he needs to
Speaker 1: be defended. He gets trashed at every turn for no reason.
Speaker 1: When you find out Russell, Westbrook and John Mall make
Speaker 1: just as much money as him, you say, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: Lebron's the biggest bargain in the league. So the Lebron
Speaker 1: stuff is always Lebron stuff. And then, by the way,
Speaker 1: Lee Angelo on a Pistons, all three ball brothers, let's go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that. I mentioned that to the dan Ens
Speaker 1: this morning. Thanks for the phone call. Lo Angelo can shoot,
Speaker 1: you know. The other two ball brothers can't shoot. But
Speaker 1: he can shoot. He's just not as good all around player,
Speaker 1: and maybe he's got a chance to stick with the Pistons. There.
Speaker 1: Tim and Florida joins us, Good morning, Tim, what's on
Speaker 1: your mind? Well, I'm a fact anyway, um and got
Speaker 1: a got a got a bad phone connection. I think
Speaker 1: Tim and Florida has started out by saying Lebron is
Speaker 1: a flopper. So your big criticism of Lebron is he's
Speaker 1: a flopper boy, get in line. There's a take a
Speaker 1: number of the guys who flop flail, Yes, Polly. Lebron's flops, though,
Speaker 1: are especially dramatically because of his physical size, because he
Speaker 1: cannot be moved by most of it. But does that
Speaker 1: make him polarizing? Oh no, that doesn't about It really
Speaker 1: actually doesn't bother me at all. It's not the refs
Speaker 1: to call it or not call it. Lebron's just working
Speaker 1: the refs. The reps are the ones who are at fault.
Speaker 1: But when he does, he does the no I know,
Speaker 1: Sergeant Elias getting shot in platoon move and he's about
Speaker 1: four times the size of the the starge. Oh I think
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing when I see that. But that doesn't make
Speaker 1: him polarize, sing, I mean, there are other things if
Speaker 1: you don't like him. This comes down to and I
Speaker 1: don't want to make the Final Hour about Lebron and
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, but this is what this is about. It's
Speaker 1: Michael has this place where you put him on the mantel,
Speaker 1: or it's that portrait that you put above the fireplace.
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, somebody says, you know,
Speaker 1: I just thinking maybe putting that some other place. Maybe, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, in the den. Can we put another
Speaker 1: portrait of there up there above the mantel? H yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking of Lebron James? Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't have that up there. We don't want Lebron
Speaker 1: interrupting our memory. Like Mike, he never missed a shot.
Speaker 1: He never lost a playoff game. Yes, no, he did
Speaker 1: lose playoff games, yes, yes he did. Yes, first couple
Speaker 1: of years of his career. Now, if Michael had been
Speaker 1: on Sports Illustrated at the age of sixteen and it
Speaker 1: was the chosen one, he goes to North Carolina, he
Speaker 1: does hit the game winning shot for a national championship,
Speaker 1: that's big. But he would have got into the NBA
Speaker 1: and the critics would have been all over him because
Speaker 1: he couldn't get out of the first round. Michael didn't win,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he realized, I'm going
Speaker 1: to take less money or I'm not going to ask
Speaker 1: for more money. We're going to build a roster. Here
Speaker 1: he got Phil Jackson Scottie Pippen turned out to be
Speaker 1: one of the great draft picks in NBA history. You
Speaker 1: started to fill in other parts of that roster and
Speaker 1: he had a great team, but Mike never had the hype.
Speaker 1: He got the hype after the Air Jordan, like once
Speaker 1: he got the shoe deal, then we wanted to see
Speaker 1: if he was great and an all time great because
Speaker 1: he was still just a fascinating highlight. And then he
Speaker 1: started to win. And then that's what's different, you know.
Speaker 1: Lebron started out and he was getting into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: They went to an NBA Finals with one of the
Speaker 1: worst teams ever, one of the worst team to ever
Speaker 1: go to the NBA Finals, and they played the Spurs,
Speaker 1: but he didn't gave credit. He lost, and then he'd
Speaker 1: go again and then he would lose, and then he said, well, okay,
Speaker 1: if I want to be compared to Jordan, nobody's going
Speaker 1: to come here to Cleveland to play, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to Miami. We got criticized for that, and then
Speaker 1: he went back to Cleveland won a title. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Kyrie hit the big shot. Okay, let's see him do
Speaker 1: it in the West. And then he goes to the West.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look what happened, and Lebron he went out there,
Speaker 1: they didn't make the playoffs, okay, and then they went
Speaker 1: a title in the bubble, degree of difficulty through the roof,
Speaker 1: and here we are Lebron team to beat great offseason
Speaker 1: and then oh he should have taken less money. Why
Speaker 1: they have the team to beat Anthony Davis didn't take
Speaker 1: less And here comes Lebron James and knocking on Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's store. Oh my gosh, I don't want to open
Speaker 1: up my scrap book and see Lebron in there. That's
Speaker 1: what bothers people. And there are things he's passive, aggressive,
Speaker 1: He hasn't always been a good teammate. I don't believe
Speaker 1: he's punched a teammate as Michael did. But it feels like, however,
Speaker 1: we can make this more about Mike and less about
Speaker 1: Lebron than there are people are going to do that.
Speaker 1: Trust me, Jordan's can spend this. Lebron didn't care enough
Speaker 1: about winning to punch out a teammate, the commitment to
Speaker 1: the raft. Yeah, he should have punched out who was it,
Speaker 1: Booby Gibson? Remember remember that day? Very jall big z god.
Speaker 1: He took a CBA roster to the NBA Finals against
Speaker 1: the Spurs. All right, uh, Dan Orlovsky was on first
Speaker 1: hour and I got high praise for him. He's a
Speaker 1: very interesting guy. And he talked about how this is
Speaker 1: foregone conclude if I gave you the chiefs of the
Speaker 1: field to win the Super Bowl, and Orlovsky said, not
Speaker 1: even close taking Kansas City. And this is why if
Speaker 1: they go down fourteen, I still unequivocally believe in them,
Speaker 1: like I just their quarterback does so much stuff with
Speaker 1: his physical talent and then his brain like it's he
Speaker 1: sees things so fast. Because if they go down fourteen,
Speaker 1: they're still gonna have fifty plus snaps. That's why I
Speaker 1: like the holding the football is such a big deal.
Speaker 1: And I understand that we've seen it, but they flirt
Speaker 1: with danger and they don't put you away. But and
Speaker 1: they got lucky in the postseason. They got lucky in
Speaker 1: every single game. Now you could say luck is the
Speaker 1: residue of design, but they got lucky. And then Orlovsky said,
Speaker 1: the best non quarterback in the league is I look
Speaker 1: at that offense and I go, there's no flaw. Kelsey's
Speaker 1: the best player in football that's not a quarterback back. Um,
Speaker 1: and wait, wait, you think Kelsey is He's the best
Speaker 1: player who's not a quarterback. Yeah. Wow O do what
Speaker 1: over Aaron Donald? I mean, for me, yes, because they stuck,
Speaker 1: just because he brings so much offense to their offense
Speaker 1: before the ball ever gets snapped. And I found that interesting. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know, does anybody didn't Mclevinon's start with you?
Speaker 1: Is Travis Kelsey the best non quarterback? Now, I don't
Speaker 1: know best or most valuable, but the most talented player
Speaker 1: non quarterback in the league. No, he's the second most
Speaker 1: talented player on his own offense, behind Tyree Kill so
Speaker 1: that would be the third most talented then behind PA
Speaker 1: non quarterback. Yeah, yeah, I think I agree. Kelsey's unstoppable
Speaker 1: and whenever you think you have the Chiefs beat, he
Speaker 1: finds into the middle of field and catches down all
Speaker 1: in front of him turns for thirty yards. But no,
Speaker 1: that's too strong statement. I'm not sure what the is
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald the answer? I'm not sure about that. But no,
Speaker 1: Kelsey's not number one. But if you said I could
Speaker 1: start my team with Aaron Donald or Travis Kelsey, I'm
Speaker 1: taking Aaron Donald. What about Tyreek Killer Travis Kelsey? I
Speaker 1: think Tyree Hill is great. He relies on others to
Speaker 1: be to help him be great. I think Travis Kelsey
Speaker 1: would be great on any team. I think Tyree Hill
Speaker 1: needs he needs situations where he can take advantage of them,
Speaker 1: and he has and he's got you know, Mahomes to
Speaker 1: help him. Kelsey is going to help out any quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think on like every down he's going to be
Speaker 1: able to help you. But you know George Kittle. George
Speaker 1: Kittle is to me as good, or if not more
Speaker 1: well rounded than Travis Kelsey. And Kittle is a great blocker.
Speaker 1: Now you might say, well, what's that mean, Well, in
Speaker 1: the Niners offense, it means everything. Kittle has that speed
Speaker 1: to beat you deep. So I don't think it's Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey's the best non quarterback in the league. Now he
Speaker 1: can be in the conversation, but uh no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see that. Yeah, Polly, I'm gonna spice this
Speaker 1: up a little, Dan. I'm gonna offer you Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: and George Kittle. You can get signing both of them
Speaker 1: or Travis Kelsey and Miles Garrett package deals. I will
Speaker 1: take Aaron Donald and George Kittle. Aaron Donald is there
Speaker 1: every play. Miles Garrett shows up and he can be
Speaker 1: you know, an impact player. He's not like Jadeveon Clowney.
Speaker 1: He's a better player. But I you know, George Kittle
Speaker 1: to me is on equal footing with Travis Kelsey. And
Speaker 1: that's pretty high. I mean, that's high praise that they're
Speaker 1: you know, toe to toe. But Aaron Donalds is just different.
Speaker 1: There's nobody in football like him. No one to lead
Speaker 1: the league in sacks as a defensive tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. And he's doubled teamed every game. Now,
Speaker 1: I Aaron donald to me is the non you know,
Speaker 1: as far as non quarterbacks, the best player in football,
Speaker 1: most valuable player in football. That in my opinion, in
Speaker 1: my astute opinion, of course. Jesse and Los Angeles, Hey, Jess,
Speaker 1: what do you have for me? Hey? Dpy, But hey,
Speaker 1: I think I think I have a solution for you
Speaker 1: with the Todd situation. And I have a comment on
Speaker 1: the great Bill Walton. Okay, my solution, My solution hey is, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry to bring it up, but because
Speaker 1: it makes him uncomfortable, but every time you get a break,
Speaker 1: just drop the cone of silence on him and sneak
Speaker 1: past it. Um. But my comment on the great Bill Walton,
Speaker 1: who is a national treasure and a UCLA legend. I
Speaker 1: thought i'd give you my commentary from my favorite commentary
Speaker 1: piece from him, and that is Pacers versus Lakers, two
Speaker 1: thousand NBA Finals. Um Shack is dominating. He's averaging like
Speaker 1: thirty eight per game and obliterating Rick Smiths in the
Speaker 1: pot in the process, who also happened to be Dutch.
Speaker 1: And Bill yells out, this guy can't guard Shock. It's
Speaker 1: like he's trying to defend him, all wearing wooden shoes
Speaker 1: out there. Thank you, Jesse. Um I put the cone
Speaker 1: of silence down on Todd, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I know it's such a great angle from from this
Speaker 1: vantage point too, because all you could see is the material.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, but he freaks out, can't breathe can't breathe.
Speaker 1: The walls close again, I know. I just like, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to see if it worked in the elevator.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see if it worked. By the way,
Speaker 1: there was a football game yesterday and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It was far more entertaining than I thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be, far more competitive. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: because the Steelers dropped a lot of balls there, and
Speaker 1: I root for RG three because of what he once
Speaker 1: was and he's never gonna get there again. He got
Speaker 1: yesterday again. He wants to be a pocket passer, but
Speaker 1: you got to put in the time to become a
Speaker 1: pocket passer because he's not a guy who's gonna be
Speaker 1: able to beat your consistency consistently with his legs. He's
Speaker 1: just not. And you know, Trace McSorley is probably a
Speaker 1: better quarterback than RG three, and he's the third string
Speaker 1: quarterback there, but I wanted to. I was hoping that
Speaker 1: he would have a couple of plays because he did
Speaker 1: that that rookie year. That was different. That was he
Speaker 1: was Lamar Jackson before Lamar Jackson. He was Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: before Kyler Murray. Here is Mike Tomlin, the Steelers head
Speaker 1: coach after the victory, to be bluntly honest, but a
Speaker 1: really disappointed and our performance tonight. We did enough to win,
Speaker 1: but that's all. It was really junior varsity, to be
Speaker 1: quite honest with you, and it was in all three phases.
Speaker 1: We couldn't run the ball effectively when we needed to.
Speaker 1: We dropped too many significant passes very catchable, makeable passes.
Speaker 1: We didn't make significant plays in the special team's game.
Speaker 1: A kick off coverage Junior wasn't good enough. We turned
Speaker 1: the damn ball over. Is good to proceed with the victory.
Speaker 1: I acknowledge that, but not a lot happened tonight to
Speaker 1: be proud of, but to will be excited about. Other
Speaker 1: than that. The Steelers are the thirteenth team in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl era to start out eleven and oh. Of
Speaker 1: the previous twelve, nine reached the Super Bowl five one.
Speaker 1: It no AFC team has opened up eleven and oh
Speaker 1: since the O nine Colts. We talked about this before,
Speaker 1: more likely to have a winless team or an undefeated team.
Speaker 1: I think the Jets. Now, what happens if New England
Speaker 1: in the last game of the season. Doesn't New England
Speaker 1: play the Jets in the last game of the season.
Speaker 1: Let's just say you're Bill Belichick. You're going to be
Speaker 1: still coach of the Patriots for I don't know how
Speaker 1: many years. And you decide now is when Brian Hoyer
Speaker 1: is going to start a game, We're gonna or Jared Stidham,
Speaker 1: whoever it might be. Because you'd like for the Jets
Speaker 1: to win, so you don't face Trevor Lawrence for the
Speaker 1: next couple of years. Put Julian Edelman in their quarterback, right, Polly,
Speaker 1: I'm down with that, okay. I you know, I deal
Speaker 1: with conspiracy theories occasionally, and I'm just wondering that, like
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick thinks of everything, he's diabolical. Would he actually
Speaker 1: tank a game without officially tanking a game to make
Speaker 1: sure that the Jets don't get Trevor Lawrence. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you're Belichick now, he might go Doud de manor
Speaker 1: who's quarterbacking for them? You're gonna face Trevor Lawrence for
Speaker 1: the next X number of years as long as you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a head coach. Would he actually trot out
Speaker 1: his second string, third string team? Yeah, Paul, I actually
Speaker 1: have a hot take up and sitting on a week
Speaker 1: I think that somehow Sam Darnolds would be the next
Speaker 1: Patriots quarterback. Well. I brought that up a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and then I had it shot down quickly
Speaker 1: by NFL scout. Who goes, how do you think the
Speaker 1: Jets are going to let him go to New England?
Speaker 1: I go, I don't. I don't know. I just thought
Speaker 1: maybe that I could see Sam Darnold in Pittsburgh or
Speaker 1: San Francisco. But I can't imagine the Jets would trade
Speaker 1: him within the division to the Patriots. Yes, it's the
Speaker 1: best offer, though, um well, if I'm the Jets, I
Speaker 1: don't want to trade him in the division. Yes. Time.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has too much probabe not to try to
Speaker 1: win every time, especially a division rival, especially if there's
Speaker 1: any possibility that anyone would think that you're trotting after
Speaker 1: the less than your best team, where it could even
Speaker 1: be perceived that he's looking to maybe blow this game.
Speaker 1: I have to time. I don't know, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: McLevin I called it a few weeks ago. If they
Speaker 1: win this week, they're six and six. The Patriots are
Speaker 1: coming to the playoffs. He's going to force a week
Speaker 1: eighteen somehow and get in. Is the eighteen. But they're
Speaker 1: saying if they beat the Rams and the Chargers, they're
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be like the seventh seed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every game is a field goal one way or the other,
Speaker 1: so you never know. Coastal Carolina was going to play
Speaker 1: Liberty this weekend. That game has been canceled Coastal Carolina
Speaker 1: is now playing hosting BYU. BYU only has one other
Speaker 1: game schedule, that's San Diego State December twelve. BYU hasn't
Speaker 1: played since November twenty first, their ranked thirteenth and the
Speaker 1: latest college football playoff rankings and looking for a quality win.
Speaker 1: This still is not going to move them up on
Speaker 1: the doorstep of playing for a national championship, but I
Speaker 1: commend them for trying. We'll take a break. More phone
Speaker 1: calls coming up, and the Hall of Famer Bill Walton
Speaker 1: will join us coming up next twenty after the hour
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Speaker 1: Get you more phone calls coming up. I've had a
Speaker 1: lot of conversations with Bill Walton, and one of my
Speaker 1: favorites we did um we look back on an NBA
Speaker 1: game at NBA Entertainment in New Jersey. This is many,
Speaker 1: many years ago, and I was driving into New York
Speaker 1: City and Bill said, can I can I hit your
Speaker 1: ride now? I was driving a Jetta at the time,
Speaker 1: and Bill sat in the front seat. And Bill, who's
Speaker 1: actually not six to eleven, he always wanted to be
Speaker 1: listed a six eleven. He's probably seven two. And his
Speaker 1: knees were up over the dashboard and Bill says, what
Speaker 1: kind of tunes do you have? And I had eight
Speaker 1: track cassette tapes or eight track tapes, and I had
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan's greatest hits. And then Bill sang all the
Speaker 1: way through the Lincoln Tunnel or whatever it was, what
Speaker 1: Jersey Tunnel as we were heading into New York City.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite memories the Hall of Famer Bill
Speaker 1: Walton joining us on the program Good Morning Bill. The
Speaker 1: street to row, We're filled with the are everywhere. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll stink that we're seeing double on this beautiful fall
Speaker 1: day on planet, or I'm alive. I'm married to Lorian
Speaker 1: and I'm talking with Dan Patrick. And that's the coolest
Speaker 1: desk I've ever seen. I'm a big bubble head guy.
Speaker 1: I'm a big collector of stuff like that, but I
Speaker 1: have never seen anything quite that. And I said, maybe
Speaker 1: if I blink a few times, I can even absorb
Speaker 1: more of it right through this screen. Well, you gave
Speaker 1: me some merchandise. I have one of your jerseys. I
Speaker 1: have an autographed basketball. I also have a picture that
Speaker 1: you autographed. I believe this your first NBA game. Your
Speaker 1: first NBA game was against Kareem abdul Jabbar in Dayton, Ohio,
Speaker 1: when Kareem was with the Bucks erect and Don Nelson
Speaker 1: had just stepped down as a player, and he was
Speaker 1: a Don Nelson an incredible entrepreneur of business, visionary guy,
Speaker 1: and he was the promoter of the game. And I
Speaker 1: had just graduated from the UCLA. Kareem went to UCLA
Speaker 1: and Don Nelson thought it would be a good idea.
Speaker 1: It was a great idea for Karee. I had had
Speaker 1: knee surgery about two weeks before and it did not
Speaker 1: go well, but it was very well for from Kareem's
Speaker 1: point of view. Who wasn't, without question, the greatest player
Speaker 1: I ever played against and the standard of excellence that
Speaker 1: still exists today. And I followed Bill out. He was
Speaker 1: walking out in the parking lot. You had a red
Speaker 1: and black flannel shirt. You had your hair back in
Speaker 1: a ponytail. You had ponytail, and you had a bag
Speaker 1: of nuts. You had a brown paper bag full of nuts.
Speaker 1: Try to bring my nuts with me all the time?
Speaker 1: All right, set me, set set this straight. Now. I
Speaker 1: know you never want to be listed as a seven footer.
Speaker 1: I think the quote was because seven footers are considered freaks. Bill,
Speaker 1: You're not six eleven. I would love to be seven
Speaker 1: feet tall. I love just being taller and taller and
Speaker 1: getting tall higher up on the mountain there. But the
Speaker 1: last time I was measured, I was nineteen years old
Speaker 1: and I was at UCLA, and John Wooden was always
Speaker 1: in charge of the measuring right, and that he would
Speaker 1: stand on the ladder with the ruler on top as
Speaker 1: you stood next to the wall, right, and Autie Drake
Speaker 1: the trainer legend there. Duckie Drake was incredibly instrumental in
Speaker 1: Raper Johnson's remarkable life and career and light a candle
Speaker 1: and say a prayer for Raper who just passed on yesterday.
Speaker 1: But it was you know, John Wooden would call up
Speaker 1: everybody in alphabetical orders. So we had Henry Bibby, and
Speaker 1: we had Greg Lee, and we had Larry Hollyfield and
Speaker 1: Larry Farmer and Swen Later and all the guys, and
Speaker 1: then he and as he as they walk up and
Speaker 1: Coach Wooden puts the rule on top of their head
Speaker 1: and he calls out, Okay, Greg Lee six five, Henry
Speaker 1: Bibby six two, Larry Hollyfield six five, Larry Farmer six
Speaker 1: to six, and then he Swen Nater or seven feet tall,
Speaker 1: and he says, Walton, your turn, alphabetical. I get up
Speaker 1: off my stool and I walked toward him and I
Speaker 1: get halfway across the room and he says, you're six
Speaker 1: to eleven. That was the last time I was like,
Speaker 1: you got to be seven two? Oh, I'm not. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm out eight or nine feet Paul, especially
Speaker 1: after the the Camping World of Mauie Jim in Ashville
Speaker 1: that we just had this week, that was just over
Speaker 1: the top. But whenever I stand next to Kareem, then
Speaker 1: I know I'm barely six to eleven. And then whenever
Speaker 1: I stand next to Yaoming, well, Yeaoming him or Mark
Speaker 1: Eaton there are the two biggest players. But that's not
Speaker 1: even close between Yao Ming and markis. You know, Mark
Speaker 1: Eaton is seven or four and Yao Ming is seven thirteen.
Speaker 1: Ye and Yell is so big too. It's not how
Speaker 1: big you are, it's how beat you play. And you
Speaker 1: know Yaoming a giant blond and off the court and
Speaker 1: what he has done for the world to make it better, kareem,
Speaker 1: the incredible job that he's doing right now. Real two
Speaker 1: was just this spiritual force of nature that changed the
Speaker 1: direction of everything. But it's not just the big guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just did a show with Doctor j
Speaker 1: the other and the remarkable, the remarkable impacted he has
Speaker 1: had on all of our lives. And you know, Doctor Jay.
Speaker 1: When Doctor Jay graduated from high school, he was sixty
Speaker 1: three and he grew a couple more inches. But it
Speaker 1: was his remarkable, incredible, spectacular, phenomenal empty the thesaurus, what
Speaker 1: he was able to do in terms of inspired, ignite
Speaker 1: and to be able to take things to another level.
Speaker 1: And he was really critical Doctor Jay in terms of
Speaker 1: changing the course of history, because for so long you'd
Speaker 1: look at the thirty four mbps and the history of
Speaker 1: the NBA, and at the beginning there was Bob Crucy,
Speaker 1: five or six years in there was Austar Robertson. Other
Speaker 1: than that, it was six nine and above. It was
Speaker 1: Bob Petted, It was Bill Russell, it was Wilt, it
Speaker 1: was Willis Reid, it was West Unsettled, it was Dave Cowens,
Speaker 1: it was Kareem and Moses and all these different guys.
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden in nineteen eighty one
Speaker 1: and doctor j it all comes together for him, and
Speaker 1: then from that point on it's really been coming down
Speaker 1: in terms of size. Although the current MVP Jannis is
Speaker 1: absolutely incredible what he does. Today's players are so spectator
Speaker 1: and one of the things that I love about today's
Speaker 1: players is their versatility, the broad spectrum of all their skills,
Speaker 1: and the fact that they love to use their platform,
Speaker 1: the most incredible platform NBA, ESPN Turner to promote a
Speaker 1: better world for other people. And so with Jannis lying
Speaker 1: around out there, and then you have Lebron who was
Speaker 1: just who was over the top and literally indescribable because
Speaker 1: when I watched Lebron play. I cannot figure out what
Speaker 1: the best part of his game is. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's shooting threes, if it's dry, if it's dunking,
Speaker 1: if it's blocking shots, if it's just defense, it's just
Speaker 1: passing into screening, it's his leadership. I mean, he has
Speaker 1: it all. And to see him how remarkably close he
Speaker 1: is to passing Kareem. I remember when Kareem passed Will,
Speaker 1: and Will his comment was, if I had ever thought
Speaker 1: that anybody would come remotely breaking my directors, I just
Speaker 1: would have doubled them up. And then he goes on
Speaker 1: and Kareem gets I think, maybe eight thousand more points
Speaker 1: than than Will did, and then it looked like Karl
Speaker 1: Malone was going to pass Kareem, and then all Karl
Speaker 1: got hurt and could no longer play, and and Kareem
Speaker 1: and you know, I asked him what it was like
Speaker 1: at the end, and he said, you know, Bill, everything
Speaker 1: was fine. I was going like, Kareem was the first
Speaker 1: twenty year player in the history of the NBA. And
Speaker 1: you know, he made college basketball what it is. He
Speaker 1: carried the NBA for all those years. There was never
Speaker 1: a game but he played, never that he wasn't the
Speaker 1: absolute focal point of the other teams in defensive and
Speaker 1: winning strategy. And so what Kareem said that he was
Speaker 1: going along and everything was just just fine, and then
Speaker 1: one day he got there. He didn't get hurt, but
Speaker 1: he got there and he just couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Got old, Did you miss you? Miss Will Chamberlain by
Speaker 1: a year or so, didn't you? Will retired? Bill Russell
Speaker 1: retired right as Kareem came in. Will retired right as
Speaker 1: I came in, And it was Will was I met
Speaker 1: those guys. I started playing basketball against NBA players when
Speaker 1: I was fourteen years old, and san year the Rockets
Speaker 1: expanded here Jim Barnett and pat Riley and John Block
Speaker 1: and Don coaches in the first year, quickly followed by
Speaker 1: players like Elvin Hayes, Rudy tom Janovich, Calvin Murphy, all
Speaker 1: Hall of famers, pat Riley the Hall of Famer as well,
Speaker 1: and then the the business and coaching and basketball executives
Speaker 1: on that team. When Little Billy was fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: there was Pete Newell, Alexander text Winner, and Jack McMahon,
Speaker 1: all of them in all of fame, and so I
Speaker 1: was that was my life. And then overarching everything, Dan
Speaker 1: was John Wooden, and so I had the perfect childhood,
Speaker 1: and I had every opportunity. And one of the disappointing
Speaker 1: things for me is at California, we just had Proposition sixteen,
Speaker 1: which was going to reinstill affirmative action in California, and
Speaker 1: it failed. It failed a bad and the you know
Speaker 1: when you know the history of our country and checked
Speaker 1: out Jill Lapor's brought a beast truth. Check out tanahc
Speaker 1: Coach between the world and me, and check out Isabel
Speaker 1: Wilkerson's cast the disadvantage that people have to overcome, and
Speaker 1: you know, to see what so many guys had been
Speaker 1: able to do when I was just virtually in Ashville
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Over the early part of this week,
Speaker 1: he was reading Johnny Davis, my great teammate from the
Speaker 1: Portland Trail Blazers, the guy that really put it over
Speaker 1: the top for the Blazers with his remarkable skill and
Speaker 1: passion and talent and everything. You know, Johnny, Johnny grew
Speaker 1: up in a very tough situation, you know, right in
Speaker 1: the you know, in the projects of downtown Detroit in
Speaker 1: the late sixties when there was battles in the streets
Speaker 1: and tanks and war and fire and explosions, and Johnny
Speaker 1: was to tell the stories about how his mom would
Speaker 1: not let him leave the corner of the room because
Speaker 1: she was afraid for his safety. And then when Johnny
Speaker 1: got the teat where that first game was played at,
Speaker 1: all roles into one. Johnny was playing at Dating for
Speaker 1: three years, we played against and we didn't even know
Speaker 1: him because john Wood and he thought the other team
Speaker 1: was irrelevant. He never mentioned the other team in four
Speaker 1: years other than two times. We lost both of those games,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot coach. But Johnny in the NBA, you know,
Speaker 1: he told and he was telling us it's joy. The
Speaker 1: quietest guy ever, Johnny. Johnny made Jamal Wilkes looked like
Speaker 1: Daniel Webster. There was. But Johnny was telling us that,
Speaker 1: you know, he left school early because he was tired
Speaker 1: of seeing his mom spent her whole day, her whole life,
Speaker 1: on her hands and knees scrubbing people's floors. And so
Speaker 1: he went on to the NBA spent thirty eight years,
Speaker 1: thirty eight years, Johnny sixty five years old. That Kaylie
Speaker 1: had married a Leslie two wonderful children. Austin and Reggie
Speaker 1: and Reginalds are and they and they live in Ashville.
Speaker 1: He's retired there, but thirty eight years to be able
Speaker 1: to build your life and career, to see what what
Speaker 1: what the NBA has become. Dan, it's a dream come
Speaker 1: true for me. I do want to before I run
Speaker 1: out of time, that you were very lucky that you
Speaker 1: played for UCLA and you played with Jack Ramsey. So
Speaker 1: you start your college career with a structure, you play
Speaker 1: plaid for Jack Ramsey. I think it's it's one of
Speaker 1: the finest teams, true teams I've ever seen in NBA history,
Speaker 1: the Blazers, because that you guys weren't selfish, You understood it,
Speaker 1: you got out and you ran. You were a star,
Speaker 1: but you weren't a star or acted like a star.
Speaker 1: At UCLA. Coach wanted to make sure that everybody was
Speaker 1: you know, you're all great players. But and then you
Speaker 1: watch what basketball is now in college, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how frustrating this must be for a true purist
Speaker 1: and has every right to be a purist when you
Speaker 1: watch what basketball in college, great athletes but very little structure.
Speaker 1: I love college basketball, and I love the coaches, and
Speaker 1: I love the efforts that they're making and try to
Speaker 1: help these young men build a life, create a dream,
Speaker 1: and then develop a network and so that they can
Speaker 1: go on and use as incredible platform of basketball for
Speaker 1: the rest of their life. And I'm so lucky to
Speaker 1: be able to be a part of that. But the
Speaker 1: game is change and the style is king. But when
Speaker 1: you come across a good team, when you come across
Speaker 1: a great game, and as we had this, this was
Speaker 1: I'm on cloud seventeen from this last weekend Ashville. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that we had Bruce Ranges beyond the air.
Speaker 1: He told some spectacular stories and he had a son
Speaker 1: who played at LSU right after starting at unc Asheville.
Speaker 1: And Bruce was telling the starting So Bruce has two
Speaker 1: children and UH, and they're twins and UH and Keith
Speaker 1: is a little bit older. Keith started at unc Asheville
Speaker 1: and then he realized that, okay, you know, I can
Speaker 1: play at a higher level. So he transferred to to
Speaker 1: LSU and played very well there. And how he's playing
Speaker 1: professionally over in Germany. And the younger twin Russell, I've
Speaker 1: lost my voice here. Bruce I've been uh damn, I've
Speaker 1: been talking to non stuff and so anyway, they Russell.
Speaker 1: He lives in Los Angeles, but he's also you know,
Speaker 1: his real passion. He's in Los Angeles for business and work.
Speaker 1: He's in the entertainment industry, but his real passion is
Speaker 1: climbing mountains. And I love people that climbing mountains. And
Speaker 1: you know, I like movies like Free Solo with Alex
Speaker 1: Tunneld the ability to look at the impossible and figure
Speaker 1: it out, which is kind of like me looking at
Speaker 1: your desk. Okay, navigate right there. How About if I
Speaker 1: gave you one concert a side, not a Grateful Dead concert,
Speaker 1: one concert to revisit. What would it be? There's so
Speaker 1: many Dan, I've been to four thousand concerts. I mean,
Speaker 1: I started going on spitch, I know, but there's only
Speaker 1: one Bill. I don't like to rank him. Well, there's
Speaker 1: how about if we're make it woodstock and I get
Speaker 1: to pick the Woodstock seventeen and I get to pick
Speaker 1: the roster. You know, there's so many. You know, there's
Speaker 1: Bob Dillon, there's Neil Young, There's Jimmy Cliff, there's John Fogerty,
Speaker 1: there's Jackson Brown, there's Bruce. Okay, wait, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you five bands for Bill Walton's Woodstock. Okay, you don't
Speaker 1: have to go into any description, just five bands. How
Speaker 1: many children do you have? I have four, we have six,
Speaker 1: and we have fourteen grandchildren. And so how am I
Speaker 1: ever going stop being so difficult to treat me like
Speaker 1: I'm John Wooden here? I want Bill, I want four
Speaker 1: five bands at Woodstock. This is how Coach Wooden would
Speaker 1: phrase that question, Bill, Woodstock, interesting place. Who are some
Speaker 1: of the bands among the many that you're Okay? And
Speaker 1: I just gave on you a whole bunch. I didn't
Speaker 1: need to get the Fleetwood, McCarty, Endless, John Lennon, and
Speaker 1: George Harrison. And that's the beautiful thing about the shuffle
Speaker 1: right on my electronic music here, I got the shuffle legend.
Speaker 1: And it's amazing how the shuffle knows. So we're having
Speaker 1: this spectacular run through the Camping World Malle Invitational in Ashville,
Speaker 1: and it's over the top, fantastic in every way. And
Speaker 1: then at the very end of the game, the guy
Speaker 1: who has been the best player to the entire tournament
Speaker 1: comes against all odds and against every bit of adversity
Speaker 1: knowns a man. And he comes and he makes the
Speaker 1: game winner at the buzzer and they win, and he
Speaker 1: acts like, yeah, this is what it was supposed to be.
Speaker 1: It was. It was like a scripted movie. It was
Speaker 1: so perfect. And then as we leave the air and
Speaker 1: I turned back on the shuffle, the shuffle comes up
Speaker 1: with Jerry Garcia the bright side of the bright Side
Speaker 1: of the Street. From that, from the dark end of
Speaker 1: the street to the bright side of the road. And
Speaker 1: I've been, you know, in times of trouble. I always
Speaker 1: listened to the music playing, and three songs that have
Speaker 1: really been been sticking of late right side of the road.
Speaker 1: And now it was the one that came up immediately
Speaker 1: on the shovel. And then waiting for a miracle and
Speaker 1: then see what love can do. It's always great to
Speaker 1: talk to you, Fritz, Thank you, Billy Day. I'm alive.
Speaker 1: I'm married to Lauria. He's not six to eleven, he's
Speaker 1: probably at least seven two, but one of the great
Speaker 1: college players of all time. Hall of Famer Bill Walton.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break, last call for phone calls, close
Speaker 1: up shop. Right after this. In the Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 1: Last call for phone calls. You know you listened to
Speaker 1: Bill Walton, and I mentioned this yesterday when I knew
Speaker 1: we were going to have Bill on. You know, he
Speaker 1: was suicidal his back. He'd had so many surgeries and
Speaker 1: he just got into a real deep state of depression.
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to him when I just didn't
Speaker 1: know if he was really there when I was talking
Speaker 1: to him, and I could tell that, you know, he
Speaker 1: got to that point where he just said, I don't
Speaker 1: want to have this pain every single day. And he
Speaker 1: had so many foot surgeries, so many back surgeries, and
Speaker 1: I just think he got to the point where he
Speaker 1: just said, I I don't want to deal with this anymore.
Speaker 1: And so when I hear his voice, and even if
Speaker 1: he rambles and he just goes in different directions and
Speaker 1: gives you an obscure, I don't care. And I just
Speaker 1: love hearing I like hearing the life in his voice,
Speaker 1: because he he was one of those people who was
Speaker 1: so special to me because of the way he played basketball. Now,
Speaker 1: trust granted I didn't play that way like he was
Speaker 1: so selfless. He was a team player. And I just
Speaker 1: watched that Portland team and it's it's the most enjoyable
Speaker 1: basketball team I ever watched, because they just had synchronicity.
Speaker 1: Lionel Hollands, Johnny Davis, Bobby Gross, Larry Steele, you had
Speaker 1: Mo Lucas, you had Walton. And they faced the seventy
Speaker 1: six ers in the NBA Finals and they lost the
Speaker 1: first two games, and I thought, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: hope they don't get embarrassed. And they came back and
Speaker 1: they won four straight to win the title. And you know,
Speaker 1: Bill had won every place. You know, he won at
Speaker 1: UCLA and he won there, and then they started out
Speaker 1: the following year, I think fifty and ten and he
Speaker 1: would have been the MVP, and he got hurt, and
Speaker 1: really that was just the start of it. And then
Speaker 1: he had he got revitalized thanks to Larry Bird. Bird
Speaker 1: got him in Boston. He was sixth Man of the
Speaker 1: Year and you know, one another title or two up there.
Speaker 1: But well he's Uh, he's got a great spirit about
Speaker 1: him and he does love the game of basketball. All right, Uh,
Speaker 1: let me see final results of the pole question McLevin. Okay,
Speaker 1: I put up for hour three, who's the biggest bargain
Speaker 1: in the choice his war Lebron, Nick Saban or Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Mahomes number one by a long shot, then Saban, then Lebron.
Speaker 1: Got a tweet here from Ryan Robertson. Hey, great twenty
Speaker 1: minute interview with Bill Walton today. Dan only had to
Speaker 1: ask three questions. Yeah, that's usually more than I get
Speaker 1: to ask with Bill. Jeff and Detroit. Hey, Jeff, let
Speaker 1: me sneak sneaks you in here? Hey, what up? No, Dan,
Speaker 1: when you were talking about Lebron James and kind of
Speaker 1: reminded me of the beginning of the Five Heart Beats
Speaker 1: when the house announcer was on the mike he said,
Speaker 1: come up to the stage. These guys taught me they're
Speaker 1: better than the fourth sized rolling staff and temptations all
Speaker 1: road in life. But we shall see. That's kind of
Speaker 1: how the media deal. Lebron put him on assiut cover
Speaker 1: told you he's got to be the greatest thing to
Speaker 1: slide split and in on learnestate. And this is coming
Speaker 1: from a Detroit htor. He hasn't let you die, no question, Yeah,
Speaker 1: haven't let you down. A quick question. You're getting back
Speaker 1: to vacation. You don't know nothing about the football lass
Speaker 1: gate as of right now. If I told you the
Speaker 1: NFC Giants are first in the NFC East or the
Speaker 1: Ravens are barely holding on to third place in the
Speaker 1: AFC North, which one is the mustiple funneling statement. Probably
Speaker 1: the Ravens, you know, because there are people who thought
Speaker 1: that they would lose maybe one or two games this year.
Speaker 1: They're gonna hold on for dear life to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Might be the third best team in their division. What
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