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Speaker 1: if you could know one thing about um, like if
Speaker 1: you had one question about my time up at our
Speaker 1: fish shack, Like, what's the thing you're most dying to know? Like,
Speaker 1: if you could ask me one thing about it? What
Speaker 1: would you ask me? Mm hmm, I'm on this spot here.
Speaker 1: He didn't give me any earlier. Your first question, Your
Speaker 1: first question was was there a lot of bears around? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And you know when I asked you that I was
Speaker 1: actually asking more just general if you guys are out about,
Speaker 1: you know, fishing, when you've seen a lot of bears.
Speaker 1: But you answered, yes, there's a shipload. And then you
Speaker 1: went into tell me about the stories about how they
Speaker 1: were crawling underneath the shock to come towards you as
Speaker 1: your flame fish beating off like beating off bears with
Speaker 1: a stick, well, beating them off with rocks and slingshots
Speaker 1: black bears. But it sounds like nothing got so aggressive
Speaker 1: that they actually like charred nothing aggressive or pop their
Speaker 1: teeth at nothing aggressive, just being like, uh, you fellas
Speaker 1: are cleaning fish. That's very interesting to me, I don't
Speaker 1: care that you're standing there. I think I'll come and
Speaker 1: have some like a like a dog, like a stray dog.
Speaker 1: You know that someone fed even though we didn't feed
Speaker 1: him all the time, all times a day. It was
Speaker 1: funny too. It's really hot. Like we've got our place
Speaker 1: for fourteen fifteen years, and we've always had enough water
Speaker 1: in the creek to fill our pen stock. You know,
Speaker 1: like we divert water a couple d feet above our shack.
Speaker 1: We divert water out of a creek into a tank,
Speaker 1: right and then we run a holes off that. It
Speaker 1: gives you water pressure in fourteen years. Um, never a problem.
Speaker 1: That creek is too dry right now to uh, too
Speaker 1: dry right now to pull water. While was I talking
Speaker 1: about that, Oh so damn hot and dry, and uh
Speaker 1: it was funny because like when you're bear hunting in
Speaker 1: the spring and you get like eighty degree day it's
Speaker 1: just blazing sun. You feel like not gonna happen, like moso,
Speaker 1: take a nap. They're only gonna pop out like at
Speaker 1: they're just out black hide, black hair. I wander around
Speaker 1: in that heat and the seat waves coming off their
Speaker 1: back man in the sun out feeding on beach ry
Speaker 1: or walking around, you know, checking out the generator shed,
Speaker 1: sniffing around, just around like stray dogs. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: would make me nervous because I know that they're you know, adults,
Speaker 1: I don't care, but having my two little kids too,
Speaker 1: my little kids up there, and my little kids are
Speaker 1: always digging around the creek and they're not looking at
Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're just looking for sculpions and these
Speaker 1: little eels. And bear takes a body out of Ron Bay.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, yeah, whatever, he's good to know him.
Speaker 1: You know, he had a good run. But a young
Speaker 1: child like that, it was maybe nervous because it's like
Speaker 1: not being able to anticipate what they're gonna how they
Speaker 1: might perceive a child, you know, what they think of
Speaker 1: when they see a child. Well, it's funny too, is
Speaker 1: watching the deer with little fawns. You know, spawns still
Speaker 1: got some spots on them, feeding twenty thirty yards from
Speaker 1: those bears. It's like those bears out there, I think
Speaker 1: they have so much food normally that they're not like
Speaker 1: normal bears. They're not as opportunistic as normal bears. It's
Speaker 1: like Rocky Mountain bears and so much food in the
Speaker 1: form of all the muscles and just everything that lives
Speaker 1: at the edge of the marine fish, shellfish and beach
Speaker 1: ry It's like you watch them just walking down the beach.
Speaker 1: They just flip over rocks and pick up all the
Speaker 1: crabs that come out, and then they got lush expanses
Speaker 1: of beach rye that's always there, it never dries up.
Speaker 1: And then they got the salmon runs. So it's like
Speaker 1: a bear. I think he sees something that a normal
Speaker 1: bear would be all over, and uh, they don't do it.
Speaker 1: And right now is when the salmon runs start. So
Speaker 1: I think a lot of those bears are down. You know,
Speaker 1: we have a run in our creek right silvers and panks,
Speaker 1: well the creek next to us, and I think now
Speaker 1: they're down waiting for it to happen. That hasn't happened yet,
Speaker 1: but they're lurking around the area and you start cleaning
Speaker 1: fish and there used to be in all um you've
Speaker 1: seen them up there fighting for the premier spots. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's some of the wildest ship I've ever seen. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think darker. Was it dark the first
Speaker 1: time we were there? And that was all that commotion.
Speaker 1: We started shining lights and realized there was like four bears.
Speaker 1: This creek is you know, it would take you three
Speaker 1: strides and you're across it, you know, but there's one
Speaker 1: major pool that holds all these pinks. Before they get
Speaker 1: into the lake, they're backed up by a beaver dam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, we could hear the splash in and
Speaker 1: we kind of shining a light down there. I don't
Speaker 1: know why we were filming or something. O're there after dark,
Speaker 1: and uh, you could see a bear. And then finally
Speaker 1: we got closer and looked and will sure another is
Speaker 1: like one bear in the water and three bears on
Speaker 1: the bank kind of like waiting their turn to you know,
Speaker 1: get in and get their own sand to get them
Speaker 1: out from the hole. In another place, there's a there's
Speaker 1: another creek we fished sam and at and they get
Speaker 1: competitive over the shallow So you have like the estuary
Speaker 1: which floods in the ebb of the tides, but there's
Speaker 1: this one shallow gravel like kind of your first riffle,
Speaker 1: and so it's all those fresh fish and it's the
Speaker 1: first place, the first obstacle where they got to come
Speaker 1: out and have their back out of the water and
Speaker 1: scurry into the next hole and they sit there and
Speaker 1: fight and take turns and have skirmishes over who gets
Speaker 1: to stand in that riffle. But yeah, they don't, do
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know. I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: if they never have growled, snapped or teeth. But we
Speaker 1: saw that one clack in his teeth one time and
Speaker 1: there at us. I was with you, well, dirt or
Speaker 1: someone was in there. Oh he was there in there
Speaker 1: by himself. Yeah, it was clacking his teeth at him. Whatnot. Um,
Speaker 1: So that's your main question you'd have for me. My
Speaker 1: next question, We're gonna have to pause for a second.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask it. And many of times
Speaker 1: you talked about where it is, but I'll tell you
Speaker 1: in greater details. Okay, we're back on good. So where
Speaker 1: is a fish camp. It's on Prince of Wales Island,
Speaker 1: which is a big gass island. Yeah it's Um, I
Speaker 1: never like totally fact checked this, but it's half the size.
Speaker 1: I think it's half the size of the big island
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. So it's half the square miles of Hawaii
Speaker 1: but has twice the shoreline. Wow, it's a mess. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of the places you can't tell if you're
Speaker 1: on the main island around a little island, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Just lots of little pipas and fjords
Speaker 1: and inlets and little islands and yeah, and so you
Speaker 1: said you had pinks and silver's right by your place.
Speaker 1: So all the creeks around us like in ours sort
Speaker 1: of our zone, which is basically what you can hit
Speaker 1: in the skiff without killing yourself, is like one too.
Speaker 1: I don't know seven eight creeks, and they all have
Speaker 1: some variation on Pink's chums silvers. And then there's one
Speaker 1: that has steel head in the spring. We've never messed
Speaker 1: with them. No king runs there though, you get there's
Speaker 1: kings in the area all the time, resident kings, but
Speaker 1: they're not running our rivers, okay. And then we could
Speaker 1: get after hell of it pretty hard, and a host
Speaker 1: of other not quite incidentals, but things that will target.
Speaker 1: Can you still fish crab down? There is everything dungeons yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: dungeoness is good. And shrimping is very good. We shrimp
Speaker 1: a lot. We always have shrimp pots out. The crab
Speaker 1: fish is so good that Steve would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think we've had enough. I'm like, bro, you must
Speaker 1: have eaten too many crabs in your day, because I say,
Speaker 1: load up, let's keep going. Yeah, take up a lot
Speaker 1: of space. Though. The thing with like flying home with crabs,
Speaker 1: Like you feel a fish box full of crab and
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, it's like either fly home the knuckles,
Speaker 1: which we'll do, or um, you pick it right. So
Speaker 1: this time we had someone who I didn't even go
Speaker 1: on there. I didn't I didn't go on the crab run,
Speaker 1: but they went on a crab run and got some
Speaker 1: crab and picked at all. So I brought home a
Speaker 1: couple of little back bags full of pick crab and
Speaker 1: then octopus and c cucumber. We'll die for that. We
Speaker 1: just we dove. Oh you know what's crazy? This last
Speaker 1: thing I want to say about this, then we'll talk
Speaker 1: about what we're gonna talk about this is this is
Speaker 1: the kind of the trippiest I've ever seen it. Really,
Speaker 1: my kids got PTSD from it. So we're out. My
Speaker 1: buddy dam Bulgan is driving our skill and I got
Speaker 1: my two little kids in there damn again. His wife's
Speaker 1: in there, Luisa, and me and my brother Matt are
Speaker 1: out and it was a negative low tide, so like
Speaker 1: the negative one low tide. And we were going out
Speaker 1: to pick c cucumbers and look for rock scallops. And
Speaker 1: there's this little islet, like this little teeny island out
Speaker 1: in this big this big like that. There's this this
Speaker 1: the mouth of a large arm that comes off this
Speaker 1: very large bay, and there's a little islet out in
Speaker 1: the middle of this thing, kind of isolated, and look
Speaker 1: for the scallops. You want to try to find places
Speaker 1: that are pretty our wave batter and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of movement of the water there. So we pull up
Speaker 1: and jump out there and start nosing around looking for
Speaker 1: cucumbers and scallops. And Austin I hear screaming from the
Speaker 1: boat and he's two knows three killer whales my kids
Speaker 1: call him or because that's like the PC thing to
Speaker 1: call it killer whales. Three killer whales are on my
Speaker 1: brother checking them out like thinking he's a seal. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's in the water, in the water in a wet suit.
Speaker 1: And they passed in front of the boat and came
Speaker 1: up and turned away at when they are eight feet
Speaker 1: away from his fins. He never knew they were there.
Speaker 1: I could hear people screaming from the boat and I
Speaker 1: look up and it's just dorsal fins. I can see
Speaker 1: Matt snarkle in his back and behind him is just
Speaker 1: dorsal fins scared the ship. I mean, my daughter's crying.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the cabin. And even
Speaker 1: when we were flying, you know, even when we flew
Speaker 1: out of there, um, you know, you get it on
Speaker 1: a floatplane. Even when we flew out of there, she
Speaker 1: was still looking down asking if those whales are down,
Speaker 1: they're gonna bother us. Even over up the plane. Man,
Speaker 1: it was just and that never saw no, it wasn't
Speaker 1: aware of there. He was just like, you know, the
Speaker 1: visibility is not great. You can it's like wavy look
Speaker 1: in the art direction and they just tuned in on
Speaker 1: the noise of us in the water. But just you know,
Speaker 1: check him out, checking out, see if he's a seal
Speaker 1: or whatever. Dude, I feel the sealing didn't didn't you know?
Speaker 1: I feel for your kids because we're just in those
Speaker 1: two skiffs. Was it two years ago in the fall,
Speaker 1: we're rolling out going deer hunting, and we see him
Speaker 1: off in the distance, so we just you know, cut
Speaker 1: the engines and roll up on them, and they happened
Speaker 1: to be just kind of coming towards us, and I
Speaker 1: mean they cut our bow by ten to you know,
Speaker 1: the closest one there was probably five or six being
Speaker 1: that close to those animals and just knowing the things
Speaker 1: that are packing into my head growing up about you know,
Speaker 1: in air quotes, the killer whale, Like it got my
Speaker 1: heart racing for sure, Like that's a giant, giant thing
Speaker 1: that you know, everyone has seen some sort of clip
Speaker 1: or video of it mess with people, right. I thought
Speaker 1: about not getting back in the water, but then I
Speaker 1: was like that was like, is that the kind of
Speaker 1: person I really want to be? And so I forced myself.
Speaker 1: We stayed together because we had hit this rock and
Speaker 1: we each we're gonna go one way and meat on
Speaker 1: the other side of this island, and we decided to
Speaker 1: do it a side by side, whatever protection that gives you.
Speaker 1: But thought about not getting the water and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not really gonna live my life this way, and
Speaker 1: then got back in there and just was not enjoying myself.
Speaker 1: That's not enjoying myself. Oh yeah, but we picked it.
Speaker 1: We picked a big pile of cues clean them all up.
Speaker 1: Then how do you cook those c cucumbers? You cut
Speaker 1: the ends off. You know what they look like, right, yea,
Speaker 1: you cut the ends off. Then you take a knife
Speaker 1: and open it, so you're like s batally cutting the
Speaker 1: ends off making a cylinder, right, And then you're opening
Speaker 1: the cylinder up and you flatten it out, and then
Speaker 1: take a party knife, and there's five big clams. Get
Speaker 1: all the guts out first, Yeah, there's watery guts, or
Speaker 1: they'll expel their gut too. When they're nerves. They can
Speaker 1: expel their gut and regenerate. But so you open them
Speaker 1: up and take a party knife and grab it with
Speaker 1: a pair of fish cleaning players like catfish skinning players,
Speaker 1: and take that party knife and just scrape those five
Speaker 1: big clam strips off in a swipe. Then just cook
Speaker 1: him up like clams or what's better than clam? Really
Speaker 1: arguably better than clam strips. And one cucumber yields one
Speaker 1: c cucumber yields more meat than anything this side of
Speaker 1: a gooey duck. And you could there's no limit on him.
Speaker 1: There's no close season, no limit on no one's out there.
Speaker 1: There's commercial guys that do it for the export markets.
Speaker 1: But it's not like Joe Blow. American is not out
Speaker 1: picking sea cucumbers. And all the time I lived in Alaska,
Speaker 1: I never sat down to a scumber cucumber telling you
Speaker 1: what they eat. When you're gonna start everyone that everyone
Speaker 1: is like, once you see what's inside, was like no
Speaker 1: ship and then people would get real interested in them.
Speaker 1: But we were up there for years before it occurred
Speaker 1: to us. I'm at an emergency room doctor from California
Speaker 1: who's got a shock. It might as well be a
Speaker 1: million miles away from my place because he can't don't
Speaker 1: get there in a skiff, but he's got a shack
Speaker 1: not far from our shack, and he goes out there
Speaker 1: in his primary purpose when he's up there is diving abaloney.
Speaker 1: Depends on who he's with. Only a resident can pick Abaloni's.
Speaker 1: But he got bodies up there's Abalonei's scalped cucumbers. You
Speaker 1: can die for crab. That's what he does. He has
Speaker 1: it for that purpose, and I was like, really eat those,
Speaker 1: and then we went out and started getting them. A
Speaker 1: nomin true believer. You just gotta get over the way
Speaker 1: that it looks, you know, I could do that. It's
Speaker 1: like octopus, I'll cook you some up man, now that
Speaker 1: we're neighbors or now that we live in the same town. Yeah,
Speaker 1: starting in one week, I'll pick you something. Oh who
Speaker 1: I'm talking to is uh Kurt Roscoe, who's been on
Speaker 1: the show before long ago. Thanks for having me. Devoted
Speaker 1: listeners will know because we did um what do we
Speaker 1: call that episode the Impossible Hunt? I think so, yeah
Speaker 1: about Kurt's exploits keep break down just throughing and people
Speaker 1: can break down the unlimited the unlimited sheep hunts. Um. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. We had a lot more facts and figures
Speaker 1: and when we talked about it. Yeah, it's like basically
Speaker 1: how it goes. Basically, go out of your one around
Speaker 1: and don't get to see anything. Yeah, anybody can be
Speaker 1: a sheep. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah. There are
Speaker 1: several districts and in the state of Montana and uh
Speaker 1: they're all in the same general area, and they have
Speaker 1: a limit in each unit, but unlimited people can put
Speaker 1: in for those tags and can buy those tags. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the few places where anybody
Speaker 1: from anywhere can just buy a sheep tag and go
Speaker 1: sheep hunting. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware
Speaker 1: of another place that you can do that. Um. So
Speaker 1: you know, nonresident, nonresident alien doesn't matter. And so what
Speaker 1: they do is they typically open it up on September
Speaker 1: and it will be open till the end of rifle season,
Speaker 1: which is typically you know, the third week and November,
Speaker 1: and it's open for any weapon, rifle or archery. And
Speaker 1: once the limit is once the quota I should say
Speaker 1: is met in each unit, then it closes. So most
Speaker 1: of the units hovering around between two and three sheep.
Speaker 1: I think most of them are at two this year.
Speaker 1: And you know it's as simple as that. That just
Speaker 1: gives an opportunity to anybody wants to go. And sometimes
Speaker 1: the quote never gets met. Yeah, yeah, so you know
Speaker 1: historically we had a little bit more of these facts before,
Speaker 1: but about half of the units don't close on a
Speaker 1: given year. Um. And you know, but there's also a
Speaker 1: buffer on each side. So once the quotas met, it
Speaker 1: will close in uh usually forty eight hours, and so
Speaker 1: sometimes in a unit, one extra ram will be taken
Speaker 1: during that. But you know, generally speaking, it's you know,
Speaker 1: from those units you're looking price six eight cheap in
Speaker 1: a year total. I gotta follow ups. I don't think
Speaker 1: we hit this last time we chatted with you. But
Speaker 1: any idea how many are killed with archery equipment? Not
Speaker 1: very many? Um do you even know anybody that's that?
Speaker 1: I do? I do. UM. I know of I know
Speaker 1: second hand of a guy who shot one just a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, um, out of out of one
Speaker 1: of the units. Uh, it wasn't the bear Tooth units. Um.
Speaker 1: And then um there is I I do know of
Speaker 1: one other guy that shot one UM in the Barretooth's unit.
Speaker 1: That's the only one that I know of personally that
Speaker 1: was shot in the bar Tooth. But that was back
Speaker 1: in the late sixties. And um, yeah, it was quite
Speaker 1: a feat, quite a feat. You have you ever been
Speaker 1: tempted to try with bo No? No, not at all. No,
Speaker 1: I I don't know. There there's you know, there's so
Speaker 1: many challenges when you go into something like that. I
Speaker 1: just don't feel that it need that extra level at
Speaker 1: this point. I'm with you. Yeah, yeah, and you've done
Speaker 1: it successfully once once. Yeah, and you're going seven years ago, right,
Speaker 1: seven years ago? Yeah, well technically eight, I guess, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a seven year weight so you did it successfully
Speaker 1: seven years ago and you had to wait that long,
Speaker 1: and now you can try again. And you're going for
Speaker 1: fifteen days by yourself this year. Yeah, yeah, fourteen or
Speaker 1: fifteen days, Yeah, somewhere around there. Yeah, I guess here's
Speaker 1: a segue. So we're gonna talk about how to look,
Speaker 1: how to pack in a in a like, Yeah, basically,
Speaker 1: how to pack, how to pack and approach deep kind
Speaker 1: of wilderness hunting situations. Um. And you're going for that
Speaker 1: many days, fourteen or fifteen days, and you won't you
Speaker 1: won't go back to your truck at all. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not planning on it. Um. Yeah, No, I mean
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm packing to do. That's what I
Speaker 1: did last time. How many pounds will you have? I
Speaker 1: don't know what the total will be? Um, I was yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just I'm starting to get all my stuff
Speaker 1: together right now. And so you know, my my pack
Speaker 1: weights right about twenty six pounds before food. So you
Speaker 1: know that that's that's all of your standard gear, your
Speaker 1: camp gear, glass tripod doesn't include a rifle. Um. And
Speaker 1: then you know, I'm I'm hovering between one point two
Speaker 1: and one point four pounds of food today. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be north of twenty pounds on food and um,
Speaker 1: so you know for that amount of time you're going
Speaker 1: to Yeah, you're gonna be in that fifty pound range,
Speaker 1: which I would be happy with that many days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds extremely light, extremely light. Yeah, like you're fore
Speaker 1: going a lot of loot. Well, yeah, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: some of you. I mean you're not taking a pillow,
Speaker 1: and you're not taking camp shoes, you're not taking some
Speaker 1: of the creature comforts that maybe you're are nice to
Speaker 1: have with you know, when you're within a day of
Speaker 1: the truck or you know what el cunting is a
Speaker 1: little bit different because you know you're going to be
Speaker 1: making more than one trip out. So you know when
Speaker 1: I'm well, I don't understand how's that like, what's what's
Speaker 1: they have to do with how much you want to
Speaker 1: carry in? Well, if you if you already know, you
Speaker 1: know with an ELK that I'm going to have multiple
Speaker 1: trips out taking a little bit of extra gear and
Speaker 1: you know on each if you have three trips out,
Speaker 1: then you want to take an extra five pounds on
Speaker 1: each one to go in a little bit heavier. Is
Speaker 1: all right, Oh, I get what you're saying. But when
Speaker 1: you're coming out and you're trying to come out in
Speaker 1: one load with a sheet by yourself, by yourself, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some limitations because there you're adding pounds. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's uh, um, it doesn't end up quite
Speaker 1: being that, but it is. It is pretty heavy in
Speaker 1: Montana because the eggs you have to take you can't
Speaker 1: keep out the head. You can't cap the skull. You
Speaker 1: have to take you know, the whole head and cape
Speaker 1: and take the head of cape out on the head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you knowing. And it's said it dictates exactly where you
Speaker 1: can sever the skull from the spine. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would have to look at that again, but it it
Speaker 1: it says, you know, well the last time it did,
Speaker 1: Yeah did yet you know you can take it right
Speaker 1: behind the head, right at the right at the base
Speaker 1: of the spine and um, yeah, but everything else has
Speaker 1: stay intact. Interesting, you mentioned camp shoes. Yeah. Um, my
Speaker 1: brother when he's hunting doll sheet in Alaska, he likes
Speaker 1: to bring uh he's al He's always messed around with
Speaker 1: different footwear things. Where for while he's doing plastic boots,
Speaker 1: was he off that because last time we hunted with
Speaker 1: and he was that was his first year in plastics. Well,
Speaker 1: I think he's not running plastics now. He liked plastics
Speaker 1: because he could cross creeks and take the ends to
Speaker 1: take the piece out. The man squeaky sounds of bitches.
Speaker 1: I hunted with him in those plastic things. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: can be. He likes like plastic boots. You can understand.
Speaker 1: Man is like a you know, to the listener, like
Speaker 1: some areas, hunting dolls sheep is just it's just rock.
Speaker 1: It's just rock. There's not any there's no trail, there's
Speaker 1: no trail at all. Everything's off trail. You know, everything's
Speaker 1: off trail. Everything's rock. There's no sort of like sweet
Speaker 1: kind of walking places. So it's not that much of
Speaker 1: a detriment to run plastic boots. But he is big
Speaker 1: on having his boots and a pair of sneakers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I got me a pair of those down booties,
Speaker 1: those down camp booties. Oh my god, it those nice
Speaker 1: to have. But like this year, hunting doll sheep and
Speaker 1: not even a month, two weeks, two weeks by the
Speaker 1: time he listened to this, will probably be in the field.
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't be bringing my down my special
Speaker 1: down booties. So did they have souls on the bottom
Speaker 1: so you can get out and walk around? No, you
Speaker 1: can't really get out and walk around. They got Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got a soul on the bottom. But man, we're
Speaker 1: going to the latrine that night. It's so nice. They'll
Speaker 1: take them damn boots off. It is, but you'll just
Speaker 1: be running boots. No extra footwear. No, huh no, I don't.
Speaker 1: But I use plastic boots too, so you know you
Speaker 1: have the inn So you wear plastics. Hunting down here
Speaker 1: a lot? Yeah, who's plastic boots? I wear Scarpas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wear the Scarpo Omega's they quit making them, which
Speaker 1: was a total bummer, but I wrapped hold a couple
Speaker 1: of pairs and but they're They're one of those things
Speaker 1: that I've I've suggested them to several friends that have
Speaker 1: gone on cheap hunts, and you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty whether or not they fix. You're not
Speaker 1: going to break them in. You know. It's not like
Speaker 1: a leather boot where you just wear it more than
Speaker 1: it's gonna fit. And especially the Scarpo Omega's that they're
Speaker 1: a real dense liner, so there isn't much to move around,
Speaker 1: you know, to to form to your foot, so they
Speaker 1: don't look like, yeah they are, they are, but you
Speaker 1: know they're real light. They never get wet, um, I
Speaker 1: don't get blisters in them. There's still the most comfortable
Speaker 1: boots that I have, so I wear them a lot.
Speaker 1: When you do finally hit the trail though, and you've
Speaker 1: got like just five miles of trail to rip, don't
Speaker 1: it almost I know, yeah, it feels so awkward because
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, you know, because you don't bring
Speaker 1: crampons down here to you um typically no, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of depends on on some of the you know,
Speaker 1: some of the area, or it depends on if there's
Speaker 1: snow or ice on the ground. But you know, some
Speaker 1: of the some of the smaller crampons I have. I
Speaker 1: have a pair of crampons that I have cut down
Speaker 1: there are only three quarter inches tall, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of like the I'm not going to broounce it, right,
Speaker 1: but cattla kinda there you go. You know, they make
Speaker 1: the slip on base type. Those are really nice when
Speaker 1: it's slick and you know, more from a state safety
Speaker 1: standpoint than anything. But you don't depend you know there
Speaker 1: there's still you know, especially on a sheep hunt, you know,
Speaker 1: something down and in the bar Tooth there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of steep, nasty country in there, and it's it's
Speaker 1: nice to have a little bit more foot protection. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: every year. I remember a couple of years a gonna
Speaker 1: last you guys died falling mountain go hunt. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: just not that many guys mountain go hunt. No, No,
Speaker 1: you know, especially in those places that have big exposure.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that you're climbing vertical ice or that
Speaker 1: you you know, you really need them. You're just trying
Speaker 1: to protect yourself from slipping and and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of times, especially in September, you can get yourself into
Speaker 1: a place when it's dry and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: there's a skiff of snow and it can be flat
Speaker 1: treacherous trying to get out. So um yeah, just kind
Speaker 1: of depends on the area. But sometimes I'll carry them
Speaker 1: down here. So when you're when you're running those and
Speaker 1: at nighttime, when you're just kicking around camp, do you
Speaker 1: just walk around the liners? Um? Yeah, if it's dry,
Speaker 1: I will yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you said you
Speaker 1: never get wet. We're all these plastic boots for a while.
Speaker 1: But one last question on it. You said you never
Speaker 1: get wet, but do you sweat enough in them sometimes
Speaker 1: that you get them wet from the inside out? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I should clarify that. Yeah, the the inside and then
Speaker 1: I just keep rotating through socks. But the liners, particularly
Speaker 1: on these, are dense enough. I used to use the
Speaker 1: co Flak too, and they're super comfortable and they had
Speaker 1: a real squishy nice but they would they the inner
Speaker 1: boot would absorb a little bit more moisture. Scarpa bought
Speaker 1: co Flak and now they're putting those high density type
Speaker 1: liners in there, and those don't absorb as much water.
Speaker 1: They'll they'll still get moist but you can open them
Speaker 1: up and and they'll they'll dry out pretty quick. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to rotate through your socks. But as far
Speaker 1: as the boot itself, I've just had some issues with
Speaker 1: with you know, certain types of leather boots that over
Speaker 1: the course of a hunt, they get wet and you
Speaker 1: can't ever get them dry again, and then it gets
Speaker 1: cold and now they're frozen. They can't get your foot
Speaker 1: in there, and you know that it just can't. Can
Speaker 1: create some issues that way. Yeah, yeah, like wake up
Speaker 1: and put your boot inside your sleeping bed to get
Speaker 1: the thought out enough to put it on exactly. That's all.
Speaker 1: It was fun. Yeah yeah, and then the feet are
Speaker 1: gonna be real warm. Yeah yeah. It's a hell of
Speaker 1: a way to start the morning. You don't wear those
Speaker 1: plastic boots out squirrel hunting you, so you save it
Speaker 1: for like I do save extreme. I don't want to
Speaker 1: wear them out, only have to bear. I can't decide, uh,
Speaker 1: I can't decide hunting sheet this year. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: thinking about this running those uh running my timberline boots, ma'am.
Speaker 1: You don't think it's origin. I think it's a bad idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I wore those when I went into the bear
Speaker 1: Tooths a couple of weeks ago, and it didn't take long.
Speaker 1: I mean again, on the trail, I was loving it. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's They're the greatest thing in the world. Like the
Speaker 1: older I think it's the perfect shoe man. Because we
Speaker 1: decided to hop a pass and get into another drainage,
Speaker 1: and as soon as we got off the trail, I
Speaker 1: was not. They just don't have the lateral support, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's more it's a it's like a great trail boot,
Speaker 1: but it's so foble. I was actually kicking around doing it.
Speaker 1: But I'm probably just gonna go with you know, go
Speaker 1: grants to have that extra ump, but no nighttime not
Speaker 1: bringing a nighttime comfy shoe. Well here's the deal though,
Speaker 1: with our hunt. We're flying into what the outfit calls
Speaker 1: his base camp, right that has definitely has he has
Speaker 1: a weather port there. What you probably know what that is.
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what it is, but weatherport when
Speaker 1: we look at a picture of it, and tell me
Speaker 1: if I just describe it wrong, Kurt, But it's like
Speaker 1: a you know sometimes Yeah, I was going to describe
Speaker 1: it as like when someone doesn't have enough money to
Speaker 1: actually put up a garage. The shape it's the shape
Speaker 1: of the shape of a clanet you're talking about. They
Speaker 1: put up those like car forards, you know that you
Speaker 1: can drive into. It's like a ten it's the last
Speaker 1: five years or so. It kind of looks like that, right.
Speaker 1: So where yeah, so where we're flying. Yeah, where you're
Speaker 1: flying into you can bring and stuff like that. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like when you're flying in, whether you have that
Speaker 1: or not, you can um whether you have that or not,
Speaker 1: you can bring in extra food, all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 1: unless unless I have a couple of those extras there,
Speaker 1: you know, because then we're gonna spike out for two
Speaker 1: to three nights at a time, and so when I
Speaker 1: come back, you know, I'll have that nice like you
Speaker 1: call it creature comfort. That's a good plan. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: but even when you have a pilot limits you. If
Speaker 1: you have a pilot limits you to fifty pounds on
Speaker 1: a flight, then it's pretty tight. But other times when
Speaker 1: I've flown in with my brother Hunt Sheep, we flew
Speaker 1: in extra emergency food and then like umfy shoes and
Speaker 1: even some other nice stuff that you would like a
Speaker 1: puffy jacket that you're never going to carry with you,
Speaker 1: but you can just hang in a tree in a
Speaker 1: dry bag. You know, you got to come back. So
Speaker 1: what I'm talking more about is when you just like
Speaker 1: strike off from the airstrip, and this case, we have
Speaker 1: an outfit or friend who's letting us use like a
Speaker 1: posh base camp that will then strike off from like
Speaker 1: you're saying, for like a few days at a time.
Speaker 1: So I'm talking about like leaving there. So you ask
Speaker 1: me if I'm taking my crocks with me evening time,
Speaker 1: comfy shoes, I won't. Um, Now, Kurt, how many pairs
Speaker 1: of socks do you bring? Fourteen days? Fourteen days? So
Speaker 1: my program is um your sock program, my sock program. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I I typically wear two pairs of of some
Speaker 1: sort of hiking sock a little bit taller, and then
Speaker 1: two pairs of once, two pairs of once. It just
Speaker 1: it keeps the blisters down. If you haven't that many
Speaker 1: problems with blisters, maybe should change boots. That's a good fun,
Speaker 1: those blister inducing boots. He was just saying that they
Speaker 1: don't give him a blisters. Yeah, so maybe it's my
Speaker 1: socks that don't give me blisters. But not like a
Speaker 1: liner and a hiking sock you actually double up on
Speaker 1: like Marino blend socks. Yeah. Well, yeah, I should clarify
Speaker 1: because I used to do the liner thing to eliminate blisters.
Speaker 1: Silk liners, but it gives your foot like an unstable.
Speaker 1: You don't talk about for while they made those, like
Speaker 1: so we would run like a silk liner and then
Speaker 1: you put a Marino blend thing over it, but every
Speaker 1: you can't get a blister with them. But every time
Speaker 1: you step, you feel your foot shift in a very
Speaker 1: annoying way that leads your foot to get not blistered,
Speaker 1: but sore because it's sliding around in there. It just
Speaker 1: because it doesn't it doesn't grip. So it's like it
Speaker 1: feels like it feels a little bit like every step
Speaker 1: you feel your foot moving away. It doesn't normally move,
Speaker 1: which I hate that feeling. So I gave up on liners.
Speaker 1: You can eliminate blisters though, yeah, yeah, for sure. So
Speaker 1: so I should clarify on this. They're they're basic, you know,
Speaker 1: just above boot top height. Um. But it's it's a
Speaker 1: lighter pair of a Merino based the type hiking sock
Speaker 1: thinner and then a more cushioned um fuller hiking sock
Speaker 1: on the on the outside, and and so and then
Speaker 1: I'll just bring one extra pair of the thick pair,
Speaker 1: rotate those in and out every day, but depending on
Speaker 1: how long I go, you know, three pairs of the
Speaker 1: of the lighter ones and they don't take up hardly
Speaker 1: any room, but you can cycle them through their thin
Speaker 1: enough that you know, if you get to a stream,
Speaker 1: you can you can wash out one pair and just
Speaker 1: keep rotating through so you don't get foot funking. And
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that I found is on
Speaker 1: those long hunts when that that inner pair of socks
Speaker 1: that you have, they get so matted and they get
Speaker 1: to the point where they get hard, but you can
Speaker 1: by washington. That's it. So just just having enough pair
Speaker 1: so I could cycle through them that way, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: like wash them in the creek and then you just
Speaker 1: hang them off your hack for the day and they
Speaker 1: kind of refluff they do, and I just wash them
Speaker 1: with like shampoo whatever happened to have with me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'll bring a little bit of shampoo. That's another question.
Speaker 1: So I'll bring a little bit shampoo because my head starts.
Speaker 1: It's the damn bad drive me creepy, that's do you
Speaker 1: ever bring kind of soap now? But I bring wet wipes,
Speaker 1: a little wet wipes. Um, you know that Dr bond
Speaker 1: or soap, Like the teeniest container of that stuff is
Speaker 1: worth it's worth quite a bit. But it really does. Man,
Speaker 1: I feel like the face of that pepformant soap. Dude,
Speaker 1: you're loving man. Yeah, And it kind of it gives
Speaker 1: you a second wind, and I would imagine I've never
Speaker 1: done a fourteen day hunt, you know. I think the
Speaker 1: fongest I've made has been maybe seven or eight nights,
Speaker 1: like actually living out of my backpack. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: like four or five days in when you're just really
Speaker 1: getting that kind of greasy, grimy feel going and if
Speaker 1: you're at that right creek in the sunshine to be
Speaker 1: able to dr bees your head and your face. Man,
Speaker 1: you're a new man, you know. Yeah that does sound nice.
Speaker 1: One pair of pants, one pair of pants, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's it's all in a layering system. So you know
Speaker 1: usually uh you know, Marino bass layer and then um,
Speaker 1: a down insulation layer that's typically packed away for your
Speaker 1: leg down pants. Yeah. I started on the lower body
Speaker 1: and then but bahoma backup because let's say you're hunting, Uh,
Speaker 1: do you run that when you're hunting sheep in August
Speaker 1: and Alaska? Or do you just trust it's not gonna
Speaker 1: get that cold? No. I I always carried a part.
Speaker 1: At that time, I was using the Patagonia synthetic micropuff.
Speaker 1: They were some of the only ones that were more
Speaker 1: for the August hunt because I feel like you can
Speaker 1: stay totally warm with a marino base. Then I wear
Speaker 1: like a wool blend like the first like cannab pant,
Speaker 1: like a wool blend pant. Then a rain pant because
Speaker 1: it's gonna be pretty damn cold to get cold with that.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. So there's a couple of things that
Speaker 1: The first thing for me is that I had a
Speaker 1: couple of instances where you get a lot of got
Speaker 1: a lot of wind, a lot of rain, and and
Speaker 1: it just gets damn cold sitting in one spot, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're get in spots where you have to glass,
Speaker 1: you have to spend you know, multiple hours being in
Speaker 1: one spot, or you get pinned down and you have
Speaker 1: to wait him out. Even if it's sixty five degrees,
Speaker 1: it's wet, it's cold. It's just like jumping in the ocean.
Speaker 1: If it's sixty five degrees, you're gonna die from hypothermia.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so that's why I started carrying them.
Speaker 1: And then and then secondly that then I know what
Speaker 1: kind of segue into this. But it can also be
Speaker 1: part of your sleep system. So you can shave some
Speaker 1: weight by taking the lighter bag. Then you always have
Speaker 1: that you know, when you have your puff layers up
Speaker 1: and down, you know, I don't use a thirty two
Speaker 1: degree bag. Yeah that's a good point, so you know
Speaker 1: you could kind of get multiple use out of gear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I want to touch on that
Speaker 1: sleeping with puffies inside of a bag, but we can
Speaker 1: touch we can come back to that when we're talking
Speaker 1: about sleeping bags. We don't get too off drag. So
Speaker 1: do you run rain pants? Yeah? Yeah, the big believer
Speaker 1: in rain pants. Yeah, yeah, that's that's I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the key pieces of gear. And I think
Speaker 1: they should calm wind and rain pants because yeah, let's
Speaker 1: because a lot of times we put it on them
Speaker 1: on just to beat the wind off of ye exactly
Speaker 1: anytime it gets cold, you know, just keeping because so
Speaker 1: many of the layers are permeable, you know, so that
Speaker 1: they breathe that that that wind, you know, that air
Speaker 1: transfer just pulls the heat you know, from your inner layers.
Speaker 1: So it's nice to keep that barrier. I think too,
Speaker 1: that you wind up packing when it comes to close.
Speaker 1: You're more packing for the trip you just had than
Speaker 1: the trip you're going on. Like you're really informed by
Speaker 1: your last set of experiences. So if you go somewhere
Speaker 1: and it's pretty warm and gravy, right, and then you
Speaker 1: you're loading up for your next outing, you wind up
Speaker 1: being like, oh, yeah, I'm cutting this out. I'm cutting
Speaker 1: that out. If you're coming somewhere from just being wet
Speaker 1: and cold, you think differently, like coming off if you
Speaker 1: were going to come off a fog nack right and
Speaker 1: go pack for a trip, no matter where it was,
Speaker 1: you would approach it differently. After that. Definitely, you're like
Speaker 1: driving rain and it gets in your head, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole world like that. Yeah, it just gets in
Speaker 1: your head and it's hard to like snap out of it.
Speaker 1: You know. If you come somewhere and everything's like you know,
Speaker 1: you go and you pack a pair of rain pants
Speaker 1: and you go a week and never pull them out.
Speaker 1: Lady Like, yeah, screw these rain pants, man. You know
Speaker 1: you gotta So it's like you gotta like keep the
Speaker 1: you gotta keep in mind, learn from what happened, but
Speaker 1: not like really live it in a in a in
Speaker 1: a big way, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: where you're not you're not like trying to replicate, you're
Speaker 1: not trying to do what you should have done when
Speaker 1: you had a shitty trip. Yeah, you know, but that's
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of the you know, the gear
Speaker 1: hacks come from. You know, there's nothing like a real piss, poor,
Speaker 1: miserable situation to make you change how you look at
Speaker 1: what you have in your pack. You know, when when
Speaker 1: you're cold for an extended period of time and you
Speaker 1: have all that time to sit there and think about
Speaker 1: the mistake you make because you didn't bring the right
Speaker 1: piece of gear that tends to stick with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like those are the only times it's like
Speaker 1: sunny and seventy per week, you're not thinking about what
Speaker 1: you're sitting in your tents. There's the things I always
Speaker 1: like a layout and look at and can't decide would
Speaker 1: be down, can't booties, Mitts Mittens, like you spent a
Speaker 1: few days with your fingers just froze and that's more
Speaker 1: like a late season thing. But like Mittens, I look
Speaker 1: at him, I'm like, really, you're gonna bring Mittens puffy pants.
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time debating puffy pants. A
Speaker 1: big puffy like a down, full on down jacket, so
Speaker 1: nice to have, and we'll debate it, but with but
Speaker 1: with the early So if you're going if you're talking
Speaker 1: like an early season deal, like right now or August September,
Speaker 1: you're still saying you have Long John's. Do you guys
Speaker 1: say Long John's where you grew up. We'll stay where
Speaker 1: you born in here here. Yeah, you guys grew up
Speaker 1: staying Long John's. Yeah, and my grandpa said it, Okay,
Speaker 1: get your Long John's Brian Callahan causing long handles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you got your pants and you're bringing puffies and
Speaker 1: you're bringing rain pants and your pack ways what pounds six? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, so let's let's adderstional thoughts. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: let's go above the above the belt. Okay, but for
Speaker 1: you right now, you're not running. Don't tell me you're
Speaker 1: bringing puffies on our little adventure here. Yeah? Really yeah,
Speaker 1: and again because you know we're going we're flying in
Speaker 1: but never but forget that. Could that'd be like saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't because think about it like this. Think about
Speaker 1: it like this. Think about if you have a place
Speaker 1: you could fly into and you have a base of operations.
Speaker 1: If we were hunting right here out of town and
Speaker 1: we're going away for two nights and I said you,
Speaker 1: are you bringing your puffy pants? You wouldn't say, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're in my house. It's the same thing. Okay, you
Speaker 1: follow me, Yeah, I follow you. I'm gonna bring him.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about when you strike out to go spend
Speaker 1: several days, what could leave what could turn into several days,
Speaker 1: Not what you're leaving behind in your truck or at
Speaker 1: a weather port, or at a cabin or in your boat.
Speaker 1: Follow me at the airstrip. It's like striking out. So
Speaker 1: you're striking out from your truck. Say you're telling me
Speaker 1: that you're gonna bring puffies for what reason when it
Speaker 1: gets cold, Well, I might do. What I might do
Speaker 1: is not bringing long handles. Yeah, because what I've like,
Speaker 1: what I've started to do is because with long John's
Speaker 1: always kind of like having to make the decision in
Speaker 1: the morning on what like whether they're gonna be with
Speaker 1: you on you for the rest of the day, right
Speaker 1: because it's such a pain. And take your pants off,
Speaker 1: take your boots off and get it take them off,
Speaker 1: you know we're put them or put them on midday.
Speaker 1: So I almost like being like hunting in my bass layer,
Speaker 1: which is just my pants, and then that way, as
Speaker 1: it progressively gets worse or colder, I can just add
Speaker 1: or take off. But I always know that like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: we're still we're gonna hike for five miles right now,
Speaker 1: Like I can just strip down and there are my
Speaker 1: regular pants and I'm ready to go. Yeah. That's a
Speaker 1: good point because when you wake up in the morning,
Speaker 1: you got your long handles on, You're you're like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking these off because I'm so comfortable, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, you know that within three yards you're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, really, man, I wish you had taken
Speaker 1: them off, right, Yeah, alright, um, and they're they're probably
Speaker 1: way you probably know exactly, but I'm guessing they weigh
Speaker 1: pretty close to the same amount. Yeah, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: mean the heavier wolf stuff, you know, it's it's definitely yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have the exact spects on it, but that
Speaker 1: you're right, a lot more warmth. Yeah. Uh. When you
Speaker 1: count your pack weight, yeah, you're you're you're not counting
Speaker 1: what you You're you're not counting your main apparel. But
Speaker 1: are you counting the weight of your puffies? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my puffies are puffies and in socks, you know, gloves.
Speaker 1: Rain gear doesn't get counted though, yeah, rain gears in there.
Speaker 1: And do you run and then do you like to
Speaker 1: run the same basic set up for uppers Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's virtually identical. Marin Bay Marino base than like a
Speaker 1: thing puffy yep. This year I'm thinking about going with
Speaker 1: think about switching it up a little bit and I
Speaker 1: have an uh, going like a T shirt Marino T
Speaker 1: shirt and then like a heavier shirt and just have
Speaker 1: that be my like a T shirt in my basic
Speaker 1: because you can get so hot that time of year,
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day walking up some never
Speaker 1: ending hill. A T shirt can feel pretty good. It's
Speaker 1: the same materials, Like you got like a cotton like, no,
Speaker 1: you're just doubling up Belltown Pizza T shirt on. You
Speaker 1: got like a Marino T shirt. That's what I used
Speaker 1: to do. I really like them. Yeah, yeah, gonna be
Speaker 1: careful for that is the middle of the day going
Speaker 1: to a T shirt. Man, you gotta pull out the
Speaker 1: sunscreen because you get worked over on some hills or bugs.
Speaker 1: Bugs yeah yeah, but bugs aren't usually that bad up
Speaker 1: on the wind swept ridges and stuff. You know, that's
Speaker 1: better have you got mauled by bugs? Much hunting? Sheep
Speaker 1: doll sheet? Oh yeah, yeah for sure, down in the
Speaker 1: bottoms and the willow bottoms that could be pretty, and
Speaker 1: a little white socks. I found they were more miserable
Speaker 1: than the than the mosquitoes. There night, my we're just
Speaker 1: getting mauled by them at our cabin. And I did
Speaker 1: my daughter up and and bugs pray, but didn't get her.
Speaker 1: You know when kids are bent over. Her shirt rides up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, it looks like I felt like a
Speaker 1: bad dad. Didn't just it's just nothing but bug bites
Speaker 1: on that one strip of skin between her waistline and
Speaker 1: her shirt line. I felt pre horrible. She's like, you
Speaker 1: didn't box pray there? Yeah, so I stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You bring a little sunscreen, No, I've never brought sunscreen.
Speaker 1: Do you bring a little bug Yeah? Yeah, I did
Speaker 1: just dent beat so you can have a small container. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times in Alaska and if it
Speaker 1: was on an early hunt, um, I just bring with
Speaker 1: those super for lightweight head nets. M you know, I
Speaker 1: mean they can't wait but an ounce, and then once
Speaker 1: you have your ball cap on, you don't even need
Speaker 1: the hooped one. Yeah, you just keep them off your face.
Speaker 1: I just found those white socks, man. They you know,
Speaker 1: they dig and burrow underneath your hat and even when
Speaker 1: you're wearing you know, the bug spray. Just yeah, they're
Speaker 1: ferocious or candy. Do you like a heavy duty rain
Speaker 1: jacket or a light duty rain jacket? I'm I'm using
Speaker 1: a three year, A three layer, um you know, waterproof, breathable,
Speaker 1: um use, you know, multiple different So yeah, it's probably
Speaker 1: more on the heavy duty side than the lightweight. UM.
Speaker 1: I've used the two layer before too, and it it worked.
Speaker 1: The only problem was is that a lot of times
Speaker 1: on the top of the shoulders or anywhere where your
Speaker 1: pack was writing, it just eventually would start to wet
Speaker 1: and and it was hard to get dry after that.
Speaker 1: But so that was kind of why I went to
Speaker 1: the re layer. Had a little better luck, and there
Speaker 1: wasn't hardly any difference in the way A couple of ounces.
Speaker 1: What do you do for gloves? Us bring light gloves?
Speaker 1: I do? I have a I have a light pair
Speaker 1: of the Outdoor Research I think they call them the
Speaker 1: Peel four hundreds or something, but there are a Marino
Speaker 1: synthetic blend and UM so even if your hands get wet,
Speaker 1: they will you know, they stay pretty warm and they
Speaker 1: dry out real quick. But then I take the o
Speaker 1: R mits, the gore waterproof mits over that. So if
Speaker 1: you do get into the alders or something, you know,
Speaker 1: real wet conditions, um, they'll keep your hands dry. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not as convenient you don't have the fingers, but
Speaker 1: I haven't had a lot of luck with with waterproof
Speaker 1: fingered gloves. Just seems no, it's all a lie man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're not out there, but I haven't.
Speaker 1: You can buy a fish or like what do they
Speaker 1: call grabbing gloves, you know, if you really want something
Speaker 1: that's a hunting final Like yeah, final gloves are like waterproof,
Speaker 1: but they're just sweaty and swampy. Yeah, and that's a thing.
Speaker 1: That's so let's say you were hunting. Let's say you
Speaker 1: were just hunting like archery, you're hunting September archery. Elk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't bring the myths, no, no, no, And I
Speaker 1: mean we have. That's the great thing about honey out,
Speaker 1: you know, especially in this state, you're gonna have an
Speaker 1: unbelievable you know, forecast. You can check everything you can
Speaker 1: pack for the specific weather that you're going to have
Speaker 1: opposed to what you guys are going into or you know,
Speaker 1: even what I'm going to do. I you could be
Speaker 1: in snow, you could be eighty degrees, you could be
Speaker 1: anywhere in between. You know, August tenth up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've wanted We've hunted in August in the snow, which
Speaker 1: when you're looking for a white animal really like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's bad. Or sitting in the tent, yep, sitting the
Speaker 1: tent for two days and then it snows and it's
Speaker 1: got that kind of fog. Equality Yeah, I remember in
Speaker 1: August hunting sheep and it's snowed, and then it finally
Speaker 1: got just beautiful. And looking at tracks on the mountain
Speaker 1: side and just filling the tracks and my spot and
Speaker 1: scope and trying to figure out where the tracks went,
Speaker 1: and realized they ended because there's a sheep standing there.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the sheep. I can just see the
Speaker 1: trail ended. Yes, no, man, you're but I'm glad to
Speaker 1: have this conversation because you're reminding me of all the
Speaker 1: bad things that can happen. Well, you know, that's the
Speaker 1: interesting thing, especially up there, is you never know what
Speaker 1: you're gonna be getting into, so you kind of really
Speaker 1: have to prepare for everything, whether or not you leave
Speaker 1: it at camp or not. Yea, but with gloves, you
Speaker 1: know that sounds like you don't pack a pair of
Speaker 1: gloves actually like really protect your hands. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's that's the other thing that I found with the
Speaker 1: mitst though, is that even when your hands get cold,
Speaker 1: you know, when you have all of your fingers together
Speaker 1: inside the mit my ends seem to warm up quicker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you canet you know, if you can keep
Speaker 1: that warmth up that it'll help dry out the gloves
Speaker 1: you have under it, you know, the soft shell are
Speaker 1: So that's kind of been my program that I've stuck with.
Speaker 1: And they're extremely light, you know. That's another added feature
Speaker 1: I've gone to. Uh like really not unless it's like
Speaker 1: just getting that that cold where like okay, you have
Speaker 1: to have gloves on, which a lot of times is
Speaker 1: getting near freezing, and so you get into usually once
Speaker 1: it gets near freezing, you're getting into sort of a
Speaker 1: dryer state, right because you're not looking at rain anymore,
Speaker 1: but possibly snow. I know there's that in between and
Speaker 1: probably seed a lot in Alaska, but I've found having
Speaker 1: better luck just having my hands out there getting drenched
Speaker 1: and just kind of being like, yes, this is how
Speaker 1: it's going to be today and dealing with it, and
Speaker 1: then at the end of the day when I get
Speaker 1: in my tent or whatever, being able to put on
Speaker 1: some dry gloves, or when the rain stops, put on
Speaker 1: some dry gloves. When you get out of the willows,
Speaker 1: put on some dry gloves, because it just feels like
Speaker 1: if you get your liners wet, I almost feel like
Speaker 1: that's worse having wet gloves on your hands than just
Speaker 1: having wet hands, because the minute it stops raining, your
Speaker 1: skin dries and you put it. And what I've been
Speaker 1: doing two is I'll just run them inside my you know,
Speaker 1: rain jacket pockets as I'm hiking along, you know, if
Speaker 1: I don't need my hands, and that seems to keep
Speaker 1: them warming up. Yeah, they're wet, but once you get
Speaker 1: them what it takes a hell of a nice day
Speaker 1: to ever get them dry again. Yeah, you gloves for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. I I do everything I can
Speaker 1: to keep those, you know, the actual insulating layer dry,
Speaker 1: and even as far as just wearing the mits over
Speaker 1: a bare hand. You know, if it's if it's wet
Speaker 1: and blowing and you know, just hovering at that forty
Speaker 1: five super cold, or it feels cold with the wet,
Speaker 1: you can just put those over bare hands and we'll
Speaker 1: keep your fingers warm. Do you uh? Do you? Um?
Speaker 1: We're in a netgator, I have uh. Yeah, Depending on
Speaker 1: the time of year, I'll take one with me. Um,
Speaker 1: if it's earlier, normally I don't, but um, you know,
Speaker 1: if if there's any chance of snow, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a lightweight one kind of a poly blend like a belt.
Speaker 1: Do you wear a belt or does an internal like
Speaker 1: built in belt on my bridges apparently? Yeah? Um, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no I do. I do, But I just use some
Speaker 1: of our webbing. I just have, you know, just the
Speaker 1: real thin one inch webbing and the and the tension lock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of belt I like for like I
Speaker 1: I generally wear like a heavy duty belt normally for
Speaker 1: most stuff. But I now have a super thin, dinky,
Speaker 1: little three quarter inch webbing belt because I hate the
Speaker 1: feeling of my backpack digging into my belt. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do too, And it's and it's keeping all of that
Speaker 1: volume on the waistline as small as you can. I
Speaker 1: mean for me at least. Um, well, you know some
Speaker 1: pants have the doubled up belt loops, or if you
Speaker 1: go with a thicker webbing belt, all of that stuff
Speaker 1: creates that you know, um, that that extra thickness right
Speaker 1: in your belt line, and it just becomes a pressure
Speaker 1: point for for you know, when you're packing, when you
Speaker 1: have your heavy pack, when you tighten the hip belt
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, especially on the belt loop areas. I've
Speaker 1: noticed some of the pants I've used, so yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'll get it to where I can feel like some
Speaker 1: something like numb sensations almost like on the front of
Speaker 1: my thighs kind of coming off my hips a little bit.
Speaker 1: A lot of times I'll look in there and do
Speaker 1: some wiggling around and something's just been bunched up, you know,
Speaker 1: just to create that pinch point. Yeah, kind of dyes,
Speaker 1: you run. I use those. I use the first light
Speaker 1: wool ones, the ones that are a little bit longer,
Speaker 1: I do. I do those, man, those are super comfortable,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like having like half of a set
Speaker 1: of law John's. It is because you've got long socks on.
Speaker 1: You can pull up to your knees. The only thing
Speaker 1: that's not exposed is your kneecap. Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I really dig those. Yeah, they're comfortable. Do you uh,
Speaker 1: how many extra pairs ones you bring along? That's it,
Speaker 1: just the ones, just the one you're taking a minute
Speaker 1: wash them on a super nice day. Yeah. No, listen
Speaker 1: if I don't have a problem with that, I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem that at all. That's what the wet
Speaker 1: wipes are for that, yeaheah. Yeah, so you gotta keep up.
Speaker 1: There's some maintenance that goes along with it. Yeah. We
Speaker 1: used to mess around with um various powders, you know,
Speaker 1: to powder and stuff like that. Do you do anything
Speaker 1: like that? I don't. Just wet wipes. Yeah, just wet wipes.
Speaker 1: You bring one wet white for every day. I bring
Speaker 1: one of those little packages and I shower in a
Speaker 1: bag or it's a shower and souped up wet wiper,
Speaker 1: genuinely like, oh no, just just the regular they're unscented ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you like the uncented I do. Yeah. I don't know why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna I don't believe that it makes a difference.
Speaker 1: It's just seems like the thing you should do if
Speaker 1: you're hunting. I usually bring one. I usually bring one
Speaker 1: for every day. But do you ever you familiar with
Speaker 1: shower in a bag? Basically a big gass wet white. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a big wet white. You know, you can do
Speaker 1: a good scrubbing, but then you up having all the
Speaker 1: damn things unless you burn them or something. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: ever make fires? I'm not very often? No? No, what
Speaker 1: do you bring for a hat? Ball cap? Obviously? Yeah,
Speaker 1: ball cap and then stocking hat? You know several different types.
Speaker 1: And do you run like a do you run around
Speaker 1: me Warren? Where you wear your stocking hat over your
Speaker 1: ball cap? No? I don't. But this last year, I uh,
Speaker 1: I had I started using and I can't even remember
Speaker 1: who makes it, Morment or something. The hoodie the full
Speaker 1: face not full face, be like a half faced hoodie
Speaker 1: that you can pull up over. Yeah, and that was slick.
Speaker 1: I like that, but kind of the same principle where
Speaker 1: you can just pull it up over your ball cap.
Speaker 1: And I found that I was wearing my stocking hat
Speaker 1: rarely after having that, and it was real lightweight materials,
Speaker 1: so you know, to dry out even after it got
Speaker 1: snow on it. You don't wear like a wool blend
Speaker 1: stocking cap. I do have one, Yeah, yeah, I do
Speaker 1: have one that I carry on something like your stocking cap.
Speaker 1: Do you ever like get rid of the stock and
Speaker 1: cap you like because you're worried about it being too
Speaker 1: heavy and go with a light weight stock and no,
Speaker 1: I can't say I've done that. I left behind my
Speaker 1: last September on my elcoin. I left behind my woolve
Speaker 1: stock and cap and just went with the first light
Speaker 1: Chama hoodie. Oh yeah, because I found the same thing.
Speaker 1: You're wearing that things so when it gets chill, you're
Speaker 1: putting that on, and then next thing you know, you
Speaker 1: went a whole week. You never put your beanie hat on,
Speaker 1: you know. And plus I like sleeping in that thing
Speaker 1: because it's loose, So you don't like the stocking cap
Speaker 1: sometimes for me on my ears, oh, if you've been
Speaker 1: wearing all, your ears start to hurt, sleep your ears hurt.
Speaker 1: But those hoodies are nice. I was behind the curve
Speaker 1: on that one. Most everybody I knew. I hunted with one,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why I did never conform, but
Speaker 1: I know why they have them now. I uh The
Speaker 1: reason I like the little, the thin marino net gator
Speaker 1: is I also sleep where I wear it as my
Speaker 1: little tuk at night. That's French for hat. I think.
Speaker 1: I wear it at night and I pulled over my
Speaker 1: eyes to make things extra dark. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Keeps your ears warm, makes everything nice and dark so
Speaker 1: you can sleep good. It's the perfect thing, especially in
Speaker 1: Alaska this time of year. Yep, that's things like it's
Speaker 1: sometimes hard to sleep, yeah for sure. Yeah. I remember
Speaker 1: my brothers one time, like, yeah hunt in August. They
Speaker 1: one time we're watching some sheep and I said, there's
Speaker 1: no point during the night when you couldn't wake up
Speaker 1: and find them with find him with binoculars. Yeah, always
Speaker 1: that light out it starts to drive you crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I like that even just upo my fish chack.
Speaker 1: I was running my thing over my eyes at night
Speaker 1: long still long days. I really kind of rely on it.
Speaker 1: A little thin neck gator. Used it for tons of
Speaker 1: stuff and keeps down sunburn on your neck and like
Speaker 1: you're always getting your neck cooked. It's amazing what those
Speaker 1: thin little marino ones will do for you, just for uh,
Speaker 1: for up in your warmth. If you lose a lot
Speaker 1: of heat out of your necks when you put that
Speaker 1: thing on. It really it insulates. I'll do to gushes
Speaker 1: out of there, man, if you can kind of cork
Speaker 1: that up with one of those things. What else? Ni, oh,
Speaker 1: what else? I guess it's while we're still on clothes.
Speaker 1: Talk gators. Yeah, I think people put I think a
Speaker 1: lot of guys were gators. They think they look badass.
Speaker 1: I think it looks like when you see a mug
Speaker 1: walking around and it's hot out and dry out and
Speaker 1: they got gators on, Like, what are you gatoring? Well,
Speaker 1: all gators are good for No, let me answer your questions,
Speaker 1: because you might be running like a very low profile
Speaker 1: more of like almost like a running shoe, like a
Speaker 1: body Rick Smith runs. And in that case, if you
Speaker 1: have one of those like small tightening, they call him
Speaker 1: scree gators. You know you're keeping the junk out of
Speaker 1: your shoes. It's I'm talking about I'm talking about big
Speaker 1: palon knee. Gators are good for the snow, they're good
Speaker 1: for wading through a bunch of wet brush, and they're
Speaker 1: good crossing a shallow creek. Crossing the shallow creek. But
Speaker 1: to be out tromping around and gators in nice weather.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. It's like people who go snowshoeing when
Speaker 1: there's only a photo of snow, because I just want
Speaker 1: the experience of wearing the snowshoe, flipping snow up on
Speaker 1: their butt. Yeah, like I'm going snowshoeing, whether I need
Speaker 1: them or not. I think some people like the run gators.
Speaker 1: They feel like they're like a badass mountain hunter when
Speaker 1: they strapped those gators on. I really think that that's true. Kurt,
Speaker 1: what's your take on this. Well, I'm six ft four
Speaker 1: and I had a hell of a time finding pants
Speaker 1: that bloods that weren't. Yeah. Yeah, so a lot of times.
Speaker 1: That's that's why I wore them. But that being said,
Speaker 1: I I totally understand where you're coming from. You know
Speaker 1: when it's but if you're on a long hunt, So take,
Speaker 1: for example, on this hunt, are you going to take gators?
Speaker 1: No cumbering rain pants? Okay, so I always, I typically
Speaker 1: always take gators. But on a nice warm day, you
Speaker 1: figure out what do you what do you do with them?
Speaker 1: You know, you had them on in the morning because
Speaker 1: you get up in the morning and you know, everything's wet,
Speaker 1: so you don't want your pants to get wet or
Speaker 1: you know, that's the reason that you have the gators.
Speaker 1: And then it gets nice in the middle of the day,
Speaker 1: and normally I'll wear them all day unless it gets
Speaker 1: so hot that it's uncomfortable in your calves and everything,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's the thing is they just get like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just things get swampy inside there. Yeah. And if
Speaker 1: you've got a good pair of rain pants that you
Speaker 1: can buckle down or tighten down, you get you. I
Speaker 1: get my if I'm putting on, I'll even roll my
Speaker 1: pants up one or two times and then put my
Speaker 1: rain pants on and buckle them down. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: pro move if it's snowy. I like the gators, especially
Speaker 1: tent camping like this kind of stuff, because then you
Speaker 1: get all that snow packed up, you pull your pants off,
Speaker 1: and you realize this guy like that wet globs of
Speaker 1: basically like snowballs living between your pants and boots and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's that's not good. Gators are nice for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why are you looking at me like that? I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna add about your time about rolling your pants up
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know why I got to do
Speaker 1: in that last September. That's how they hunt in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: They hunting shorts and boots. Yeah, but I was. I
Speaker 1: was wearing my gators. But what I was doing is
Speaker 1: I had those long, tall first Light socks on it,
Speaker 1: and I was tucking my pants into the tops of
Speaker 1: those socks so that they wouldn't be on top of
Speaker 1: my boots where there's moisture coming in even underneath the
Speaker 1: gators a little bit. And as soon as you know
Speaker 1: that moisture hits something that's dry, it's gonna want to
Speaker 1: wick and travel. And I would find that even though
Speaker 1: I was all covered up, when I had my pants down,
Speaker 1: I would have like the bottom, you know, fullat of
Speaker 1: my pants, possibly the tops of my socks would be wet.
Speaker 1: And You're like, can I really be sweating that much?
Speaker 1: Or why? Why was that? So as soon as I
Speaker 1: started doing that and bringing my cuffs up off of
Speaker 1: my boots and just letting the gator be with the boot,
Speaker 1: I had a h percent completely dry feet and dry
Speaker 1: socks and dry you know. When I got an a tent,
Speaker 1: I would roll down my pants and they'd be completely dry.
Speaker 1: People on people underestimate wicking. Yeah, water travels crazy places.
Speaker 1: If it's super wet and you're getting your cuffs wet,
Speaker 1: that's stuff of migrate way up your arm. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: John Edwards and snails telling me that he thinks a
Speaker 1: lot of people complain about having wet leaky boots because
Speaker 1: the water will actually come all the way up their pants,
Speaker 1: hit their socks, and then go down their socket into
Speaker 1: their boot where they're like the top of their boots
Speaker 1: better than their toes are. Do you ever look up
Speaker 1: water in the dictionary? No, it's good. You think you
Speaker 1: know all about water? It calls it. I think of
Speaker 1: liking almost universal solvent. There's nothing new with what we're
Speaker 1: talking about. Um, you good on gators. I'm gonna bring them.
Speaker 1: You bring them, not just your rain pants. Maybe I'll
Speaker 1: bring mind too. Good idea. You agree that people like
Speaker 1: the esthetics of gators. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I like them. Do they realize how how sweaty they
Speaker 1: can make your calves? I gotta think about it. I
Speaker 1: can't decide. Um that's it for duds, I think so
Speaker 1: any there are accessories that we missed, gloves, hats, shades,
Speaker 1: What about some shades, shades, bring shades on your sheep. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's bad luck. It will just start raining. Really no,
Speaker 1: but no, I don't know. Brick chains, uh got Some
Speaker 1: days are nice to have, they are, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say. I think that's that's been because you almost
Speaker 1: have to bring a case, you do, and you have
Speaker 1: to keep track of them, and yeah, some days are nice,
Speaker 1: but they're a little bit hard to maintain. But some
Speaker 1: days it's just like it's so nice to have them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially if you're on the alpine not a lot of
Speaker 1: shady trees to hide under. No, but it's hard to
Speaker 1: glass with them, you know, you end up taking them off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I've had to be. I've had to be. There's
Speaker 1: one in particularly member cause I got a couple of
Speaker 1: photographs from it, like early on, as long as twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, um, hunting doll sheep where we were even
Speaker 1: like making taking duct tape to convert sunglasses into glacier glasses.
Speaker 1: It was that bad, especially when you get out in snowfields. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is horrible, yep, and like trying to seal off
Speaker 1: anything around, like you're like that hurting for sunglasses and
Speaker 1: like keeping that in mind. If you're hanging around glaciers
Speaker 1: and stuff, keeping that in mind makes you be like,
Speaker 1: okay with carrying around sunglass because it's just as miserable.
Speaker 1: I take it you're gonna bring some after that for sure.
Speaker 1: Where it's just horrible. There's a lot of glare. Even
Speaker 1: the rock gets glary, the shale gets glary. You don't
Speaker 1: believe in them. No, I wouldn't say that I don't
Speaker 1: believe in them because I mean I always have sunglasses
Speaker 1: with me or on, you know, all summer. But I
Speaker 1: think it you just kind of get to that point
Speaker 1: of you know, what can I live without? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, boys Coast to send me some camouflage sunglasses,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so I'll be able to hide. Dude, don't
Speaker 1: set them down. Well they got there. Hopefully it's yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully it's reduced glare lens too, any any other clothing.
Speaker 1: So I want to move on anither clothing. I think
Speaker 1: I think we can move on unless we want to
Speaker 1: throw in that. Uh that I got a question about
Speaker 1: how we're not a question, but I want to see
Speaker 1: what you guys think about cotton. If you've ever really
Speaker 1: seen somebody go down, because of cotton, right because people
Speaker 1: say cotton kills and then have you figured it till
Speaker 1: we ever actually seen someone gets smoked. I've seen people. Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of the dudes. His first name
Speaker 1: is Chuck. I don't want to say his last name. Uh.
Speaker 1: Hunting Caribou had like a lot of like Carhart type
Speaker 1: stuff with them, and his just absolute system failure. What
Speaker 1: heavy cold, because you can't there's just nothing like you take,
Speaker 1: like there's nothing better. Man like dudes like you know,
Speaker 1: like big time horse guys, you know, because they can,
Speaker 1: like horse guys can pack so much ship with them, right,
Speaker 1: So horse guys will be like, you know, bring a
Speaker 1: big car heart jacket, like there's nothing better when it's
Speaker 1: cold to wake up and have that like wind proof
Speaker 1: you know thing. But um, and I've happily owned many
Speaker 1: of those things. But it's just like the kind of
Speaker 1: thing like once you get something like that wet, you
Speaker 1: can't get that. There's no wear in that dry. There's
Speaker 1: just nowhere in the dry and you could be packing
Speaker 1: around I don't know, five ten pounds of waterways jacket
Speaker 1: like that for sure. Their day I had to wash
Speaker 1: my daughter's sleeping bag in a five gallon bucket, you know.
Speaker 1: I remember putting like filled that bucket about the third
Speaker 1: the way up. Remember we were beach comb and I
Speaker 1: found that that joga yep jugga detergent that I think
Speaker 1: came from the Japanese tsunami. Remember, because all that Japanese
Speaker 1: stuff laying everywhere still five down bucket about a third
Speaker 1: way up with water and just put a little splash
Speaker 1: that next I didn't have you other kind of salt
Speaker 1: and put that sleeping bag into that water vanished. I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, man, that's like aple, Like is that
Speaker 1: called pounds water? You know? More? Yeah, you can fit
Speaker 1: a lot of water, I mean a whole five gallon
Speaker 1: buckets forty pounds. You can fit a lot of water
Speaker 1: into fabric. And the fabric that you're not going to
Speaker 1: get it out of I think is no good. So
Speaker 1: in that way, yeah, and then I've seen people that
Speaker 1: had cotton socks. It just don't work unless you're just tough.
Speaker 1: But my brother can hunt cotton socks because he's impervious
Speaker 1: to discomfort. It's amazing. Yeah, he defies logic sometimes. I
Speaker 1: was with him, you know, a couple of weekends ago
Speaker 1: for two or three nights in the woods, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, really, that's what you're wearing, and that's what
Speaker 1: you're bringing, all right. Um, he's also got llamas too,
Speaker 1: so he's got a little bit of that horse guy
Speaker 1: in the mentality, you know, bringing the bring the kitchen sink,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, he can bring extra socks with him
Speaker 1: for sure. The third day, my kids found a dead
Speaker 1: gunnal looks like it's like a fish. It looks like
Speaker 1: an eel. They found it dead in a tide pool
Speaker 1: and then they were like put a scallop shell on
Speaker 1: the fire and boiled it. And it was already kind
Speaker 1: of nasty, you know when they found it and boiled,
Speaker 1: and he has ate the whole thing. They thought that
Speaker 1: was funny, but he just like doesn't you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, dude doesn't. It's nothing bothers him. So you
Speaker 1: can't learn a whole lot from him, you know. I
Speaker 1: remember one time he drank coffee mug full of rendered
Speaker 1: bar oil. Oh my, we're just drank it because he
Speaker 1: wanted the calories. There's nothing happened to him either a
Speaker 1: coffee moment, a coffee mug of melted rendered bear lard
Speaker 1: and just drank it. No, he said, no, ill effect,
Speaker 1: it just sounds foul. Dude's impervious. Man, This conversation would
Speaker 1: drive him nuts because you're just thinking, like, oh, crying out,
Speaker 1: wowd it's just complicated. Threw some stuff in a bag
Speaker 1: and go. No, he'd never participate to this kind of
Speaker 1: conversation that he just can't just like beyond his comprehension.
Speaker 1: People fussing over Rose, what about you? You ever seen
Speaker 1: Cotton really get work over someone? Yeah, a similar situation.
Speaker 1: I hunted with a guy when I first moved to Alaska,
Speaker 1: and uh, we went on I hadn't hunted with him
Speaker 1: on on this type of hunt before, but we went
Speaker 1: on a goat hunt and it was late October. It
Speaker 1: was a registration hunt, and you know that typical heavy
Speaker 1: snow um hanging on all the alders and he had
Speaker 1: some sort of you know, Carhart type work pant on
Speaker 1: with some gators and yeah, by the time we got
Speaker 1: there was about five miles in, and you know, he
Speaker 1: was borderline hypothermic, and you just got everything set up,
Speaker 1: got him in a sleeping bag, you know, and then
Speaker 1: of course you're stuck, is the only thing that you have.
Speaker 1: So the trip was over. You know, we we spent
Speaker 1: the night, got him warm, waited for it to warm
Speaker 1: up a little bit that day, put the same cold
Speaker 1: pants on it out. You know. It's like that sucked,
Speaker 1: but especially since every goats in there. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that type of situation, it can it can become scary
Speaker 1: in a hurry. Right, Yeah. Do you bring, um, anything
Speaker 1: that that would qualify as survival equipment. I think the
Speaker 1: biggest piece of survival equipment I take is a SAT phone,
Speaker 1: you know, and something like this. Um, all right, you
Speaker 1: know I have an in reach to one of the
Speaker 1: two and UM, I think that that's my biggest portion
Speaker 1: of it, you know, and I just kind of keep
Speaker 1: my route updated it with my wife and so you know,
Speaker 1: have check in times and um. But yeah, as far
Speaker 1: as a specific piece of equipment or you know, within
Speaker 1: a first aid kit, just kind of your standard stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a special skill set in
Speaker 1: the medical fields, so I don't take anything that I
Speaker 1: don't know how to use. And that isn't far beyond
Speaker 1: you know, trying to keep an infection down if you
Speaker 1: get caught. Yeah, I bring with triple triple antibiotic ointment
Speaker 1: and assortment of bandages. Yeah, yeah, I mean that that
Speaker 1: would be probably my biggest concern of something that I
Speaker 1: could take. Yeah, alcohol wipes, triple antibiotic ointment, yeah, knockle
Speaker 1: band aids, regular band aids. And I bring a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little role of med tape, which actually
Speaker 1: doubles as just general purpose tape. Yeah, like a little
Speaker 1: teeny roll of med tape, probably ten feet of it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing that I think I
Speaker 1: could control. Is you get in situations where you know,
Speaker 1: you could get an infection from a after cleaning an
Speaker 1: animal or you know. But beyond that, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't carry much else. Don't care like an extra
Speaker 1: lighter you have, like, oh no, I I carry a
Speaker 1: couple of lighters. I always have one on me and
Speaker 1: I always have one in my pack. Yeah, yep. And
Speaker 1: what what other kind of stuff like that? You bring matches?
Speaker 1: Just lighters? I do just bring lighters to bring fire
Speaker 1: starter material, I do, yep, yep, So you know, and
Speaker 1: it kind of depends year to year, but uh, typically
Speaker 1: some of like a vassline coated cotton ball or um
Speaker 1: some sort of gel. You know, you can buy different stuff.
Speaker 1: I play around with different things, but you don't have
Speaker 1: a few of those, and um, trying to think of
Speaker 1: what else I started using that. I take one of
Speaker 1: the dirt myths chew tins and feel it full of
Speaker 1: vassline coated cotton balls, because one the vassiline could be
Speaker 1: good for chap lips or any kind of other problem.
Speaker 1: Uh to the t s A, guys, don't steal it
Speaker 1: because you're not flying around with flammable stuff and burns
Speaker 1: like the Dickens man. Yeah, the cotton ball impregnated with vassilin.
Speaker 1: That's what I found too. I was really surprised. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, that's probably the most important
Speaker 1: stuff of the situations I see myself getting into is
Speaker 1: you know, being able to keep down and infection of
Speaker 1: some sort or you know, being able to get warm.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at the number of people that
Speaker 1: die of hypothermia or get into a bad situation because
Speaker 1: of that, and you know, probably one of the highest
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Speaker 1: hunting doll sheep last year. They had to get flown
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Speaker 1: that's what broken. So trying other things that would like
Speaker 1: there would people regard as as survival gear that you'd
Speaker 1: bring on say like a like an archery bow hunt
Speaker 1: or sometime of big time sheep hunt. You know I
Speaker 1: went hunted. Yeah, I hunted with a guy that didn't
Speaker 1: know if he was allergic to bees, and we got
Speaker 1: into a ground nest of wasps be you know, some
Speaker 1: type of hornet in Alaska, and he got stung seven
Speaker 1: or eight times. And that was the first time I
Speaker 1: started thinking about, you know, having something to deal with
Speaker 1: an EpiPen or what is it you know, ben at
Speaker 1: drill or you know something. Oh, I carry it, that's
Speaker 1: their thing, man. I carry an assortment of meds, but
Speaker 1: just single like single, this single that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple little like a handful of ivy profen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh anti diar reel, you gotta have that. I haven't
Speaker 1: brought that. That's a brilliant A good point. They're about
Speaker 1: they're about a tenth the size of a dime. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good one. That. Yeah, they are actually
Speaker 1: small even for a pill, you know. But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I carry probably I probably have four of
Speaker 1: my kid, Yeah, because that'll slow you down to carry
Speaker 1: traditional compass, I don't. That's like total ship hits the fan, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: or you're hunting like out on the tunder or something
Speaker 1: where it's hard to tell what the what. But in
Speaker 1: the mountains, it's like the navigation is so different because
Speaker 1: it's just because you have such start topography to kind
Speaker 1: of help you figure out what's the what you do.
Speaker 1: If you go one and all for Cariboo, you know,
Speaker 1: you could like now you quickly have no idea what's
Speaker 1: going on, especially fog rolls in that type of thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and when you're in the mountains, if you're
Speaker 1: in that kind of country, if the fog rolls in,
Speaker 1: you want to be able to see where you're going.
Speaker 1: You might get yourself into spot you can't get out
Speaker 1: of or you can't get down through. So yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't carried one. I have one of
Speaker 1: those little micro compasses. It's in my survival kit along
Speaker 1: with I think there's still an emergency blanket in there.
Speaker 1: I've got a piece of paper and in a small
Speaker 1: pencil in there. There's a roll of duct tape in there,
Speaker 1: one of those like rolls. It's like your pinky. I
Speaker 1: gave up on emergency blankets, especially like sheep hunting. You
Speaker 1: just can't leave your pack. No, you can't leave your
Speaker 1: pack mm hmm, because as you got it, you're so vulnerable.
Speaker 1: It's you can't be going off for like a day hunt,
Speaker 1: you know, because you don't have an extra thing anyway.
Speaker 1: It's like the things is always with you, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. Another good one is I carry a small
Speaker 1: roll of guerrilla tape neither my ice ACKs or my
Speaker 1: my walking stick, you know. And and a little bit
Speaker 1: of electrical tape too, but that guerrilla tape. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure lots of duct tapes the same way, but the
Speaker 1: guerrilla tape seems to have a little bit more gummy
Speaker 1: on it, and it's worked well to be able to
Speaker 1: seal up pants when you know, you know, like tore
Speaker 1: home my pants or my gators and you massage that
Speaker 1: in there and hit it with the lighter a couple
Speaker 1: of times and get hot and yeah it'll it'll seal
Speaker 1: up a lot. But I carry those that what are
Speaker 1: those patches of circle patches for the therm arrest And
Speaker 1: then yeah, the name of the tape is it's the
Speaker 1: greatest stuff in the world. Man. It comes these a
Speaker 1: weird little roles. Is it a k isn't it? You
Speaker 1: don't know it, man, you have to look it up now.
Speaker 1: It's basically like, yeah, it's like you're at the outer
Speaker 1: textile of a rain jacket with some but you can
Speaker 1: buy two inch circles of it. Yeah, it's about his
Speaker 1: bulky is cutting two inch circle out of a piece
Speaker 1: of printer paper. But it's the perfect patch. Yeah, that'd
Speaker 1: be great patch, sleeping bag, patch, therm arrest, Yeah, patch anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know, actually run a therm arrest. You bring
Speaker 1: a sleeping pad, yeah, yeah, I'm not that tough. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got like a little Nemo blow up sleeping pad.
Speaker 1: I bring it. Yeah. Well, and and when it gets cold,
Speaker 1: I mean that's boy it is, yeah, sleeping on cold ground.
Speaker 1: So first, yeah, so for a sleep system, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: go tent and I've messed around all kinds of stringing
Speaker 1: tarps up with strings and stuff. But it's like, which
Speaker 1: is great until things are nasty or until you're stuck
Speaker 1: in the fog for days on end. Yeah, I use
Speaker 1: a tent. I use an inflated a very lightweight inflatable
Speaker 1: insulated pad, and I use a sleeping bag that is
Speaker 1: five or ten degrees lower than what I expect the
Speaker 1: lows to be. I never like gamble on good weather
Speaker 1: with a sleeping bag, because once you get tired and
Speaker 1: you're just not getting good sleep and you're cold all night,
Speaker 1: it just affects your whole game, it does. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: something like this, I'll probably like you know, like like
Speaker 1: say like an archery l Cohn or you know, August
Speaker 1: Sheep or whatever. I'd probably bring like a fifteen degree bag. No.
Speaker 1: One that is probably gonna I'm probably gonna be sleeping
Speaker 1: with a zipper open. Yeah, well, there isn't that much
Speaker 1: weight difference between the fifteen and you know even a
Speaker 1: thirty and what six eight don'ts is? And I owned
Speaker 1: so many sleeping bags right now, it's like kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That's what makes me have like I used to have
Speaker 1: all sleep like when I was younger. You said, oh, bag,
Speaker 1: it's a bit of bag on everywhere you went. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. Now I'm like, who do I want? You know,
Speaker 1: I can get right down to the degree, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of annoying, right and look at Yeah
Speaker 1: you're Montana September sheet punt zero or fifteen for you,
Speaker 1: I'll take a fifteen. You take a tent or no tent?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I always take a tu Yeah, new Stone
Speaker 1: glacier tent will be yeah, new Stone Glacier tent. But
Speaker 1: that's a two man tent. It is a two man
Speaker 1: tent and it's lighter than my one man so what yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: right right there close. So you air because I I
Speaker 1: put I put a My one man is a little
Speaker 1: bit modified because I put a stove jack in it,
Speaker 1: so it bumped it up over the weight. But so
Speaker 1: you air on the side of heavy duty tent, I do.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of bad experiences and um, not
Speaker 1: as bad as it could have been. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's a game change. It seemed that that that,
Speaker 1: to me in a couple of situations, was the last
Speaker 1: lifeline that if you know, if you're out there by
Speaker 1: yourself and you're in a miserable miserable storm and you
Speaker 1: don't have shelter. You know, hype a thermia is you
Speaker 1: can die. Yeah, it's gonna happen. You bring a book
Speaker 1: I have in the past. Yeah, yeah, I actually hadn't
Speaker 1: thought about that this time. We got stuck hunting sheep
Speaker 1: one time in the fox and I was some I
Speaker 1: want to snow it after the fog. My brother had
Speaker 1: a book and we cut that book in thirds because
Speaker 1: there's three of us. We cut that book in thirds
Speaker 1: because it was his book, his book. He got to
Speaker 1: read the first part first, but like the other people
Speaker 1: had to start like either the second third or middle third,
Speaker 1: and we swapped that book around. Everyone read that book.
Speaker 1: It was like a biography of the first superintendent of
Speaker 1: the Nali National Part. Not a great book, some good
Speaker 1: stories in there. Um in that book, they're always out
Speaker 1: hunting bears to get bear large to make biscuits. I
Speaker 1: remember thinking that was interesting. But yeah, man, reading material.
Speaker 1: But now it's just easy to have something not You
Speaker 1: don't need a big book, you know, you don't have
Speaker 1: like a sometime to keep you entertaining. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: have like a little digital reader. Yeah, and have a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff on it. Yeah, but it's just someone
Speaker 1: and then you're like packing stuff just in case you
Speaker 1: get stuck. Yeah, and that's that was one of the
Speaker 1: things that I started to look at, is you know,
Speaker 1: on a scale I wouldn't attend can you can you
Speaker 1: live without it? You know? Or how often are you
Speaker 1: going to use it? And you know, you you kind
Speaker 1: of you sign a value to you have this group
Speaker 1: of equipment here on the table, you don't know whether
Speaker 1: to put in your pack, and you kind of sign
Speaker 1: a value to it, and you're like, Okay, now I
Speaker 1: can quantify whether or not I should take that book
Speaker 1: or I should take whatever it might be. It falls
Speaker 1: on this spectrum. Yeah, your shoes being on one end
Speaker 1: and then a heart and then your book being on
Speaker 1: the other end of the spectrum of like necessity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's like tough calls and a lot
Speaker 1: of times I don't know until the last second, I'll
Speaker 1: still have like a little bag laying there to the
Speaker 1: last second and I'm still like in my mind, yeah,
Speaker 1: kicking it a weighing it out. Yeah, you need to pack,
Speaker 1: like you feel when you're walking back to the strip,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're just absolutely torn up and you're
Speaker 1: thinking of all of the ship that you're carrying that
Speaker 1: you didn't ever touch. You're thinking, next time, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do that. I used to and I haven't
Speaker 1: here in the last few years, but I used to
Speaker 1: always carry a little tablet with me and and leave
Speaker 1: it at the strip and kind of go through if
Speaker 1: there was something, I'd make notes about my trip, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was waiting to get picked up and say
Speaker 1: I didn't use this, did use this, could have used that,
Speaker 1: all those little fine point I see, you'd kind of
Speaker 1: forget down the road. So that that that also helped
Speaker 1: to kind of refine the entire gear list program. What
Speaker 1: do you what do you like for water water purification?
Speaker 1: I'll say what I like. I'm telling you man, we
Speaker 1: have just switched let me back up and we're talking
Speaker 1: about survival stuff. Yeah. I carry a few idine tablets
Speaker 1: in the little individual packs, right, a few ID one tablets,
Speaker 1: but we've switched those those uh sterry pens man in
Speaker 1: for red light. I've never used. It's just like you're going,
Speaker 1: are you running a palm? No? Oh, you're just going. No,
Speaker 1: it's drinking just drinking bear shit water. No. No, I
Speaker 1: haven't done that either. No. I used a pump for
Speaker 1: a while, and then I had some issues, um wow,
Speaker 1: with silt, and you know, they're kind of cumbersome pain
Speaker 1: and as you dread it, you're like, oh, man, I
Speaker 1: gotta go down to the creek in the dark pump
Speaker 1: and then and then that's all I brought. And then
Speaker 1: of course the things filled with water and it froze
Speaker 1: and then you know, cracked, and then it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: so you get white. You need to get a pen, man, Well,
Speaker 1: I think I might because all I've been carrying my
Speaker 1: longer trips is just tablets. Yeah, you don't want to
Speaker 1: drink all that all the time. Man, this is not
Speaker 1: good for you know, I figured for fourteen days. Like
Speaker 1: Steve always says, it ain't gonna be the thing that
Speaker 1: kills you because you ate drinking eye eyed water. No,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be what kills you. And I and
Speaker 1: I regret saying that it's not good for you because
Speaker 1: I don't really know, and it's not you're doing a
Speaker 1: year round for your whole life. However, a starry pen
Speaker 1: it's the size of, well what it's the size of
Speaker 1: if you take two fingers and join it up to
Speaker 1: your other two fingers. Those sons of bitches are the nicest.
Speaker 1: That's a great But that person should get a Nobel
Speaker 1: prize in backpack. So how do you use it, dude?
Speaker 1: Do you fill up analogene and then drink through the
Speaker 1: straw in? No? No, no, no, no, not straws. You
Speaker 1: fill a bottle up. Oh, they drop in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a wand yeah it drops in there. It doesn't
Speaker 1: drop in there. You wave it in there. Okay, I
Speaker 1: got you. I'm following what you're saying. Now, it's a
Speaker 1: it looks like it's like a flashlight, so you can
Speaker 1: put it right in. It looks like a flash No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like a flashlight. It looks like a
Speaker 1: flashlight handle, lightsaber, looks like a little miniatu. It's it's
Speaker 1: a lightsaber that's seven inches long. Okay, you dip your net.
Speaker 1: However you go about it. You get a bottleful, get
Speaker 1: a water bottleful, and put that thing in there and
Speaker 1: wave it around for ninety seconds. Can you throw it
Speaker 1: and like a hydration bladder? No, I think that we've
Speaker 1: I've done it. Get and just hope for the best,
Speaker 1: because it says it basically one. You know, I think
Speaker 1: you tap it twice for half a leader and tap
Speaker 1: it once for a full lead. So if you're doing,
Speaker 1: you know, a gallon hydration bladder, you know, do it
Speaker 1: three times and swirl it around and hope you're killing
Speaker 1: everything in there. Or I guess I'm always running a
Speaker 1: bladder and analogy. So I would just do my analogy
Speaker 1: and poured in there and do my analogy. That we're
Speaker 1: opening up another question now that has to do with water.
Speaker 1: So you're running tablets. Do you run the double tablet
Speaker 1: where you do the iodine, then you do the thing
Speaker 1: that takes away the taste of the iodine and just
Speaker 1: running the iodine. Yeah, I started bringing those. You like them? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like them. It just takes a little bit of
Speaker 1: the taste away. Okay, So I have that, I have
Speaker 1: my sterry pen. I bring a water bottle and then
Speaker 1: I bring a a bladder that like the MSR bladders
Speaker 1: because then you can go down and get a heap
Speaker 1: and helping the water, especially in sheep country. Yeah man, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: you're like two thousand feet above the wall. And that's
Speaker 1: that's what I do too, is I carry they're the
Speaker 1: I have the two lead ones. I carry two of
Speaker 1: the two lead ones, and Platypus makes them and they're
Speaker 1: just a couple ounces. They're the super lightweight plastic stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have to guess the fails man well, but I
Speaker 1: don't have to use them that often, you know. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the MSR ones that are like almost like
Speaker 1: a like a fabric. Yeah. Yeah, but I just carry
Speaker 1: these ones to carry extra water. So say, for example,
Speaker 1: if I'm going into a spot where I don't think
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be water, I'll have my regular hydration
Speaker 1: bladder and then I'll have either one or two of these,
Speaker 1: so you know, I can take six eight liters of
Speaker 1: water up above tree line if you if you don't
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna have water up there, so you
Speaker 1: use a hydration bladder in your pack. No, I never
Speaker 1: put it in my pack. I put it in the
Speaker 1: lid because you can't be doing that if you're in
Speaker 1: a place where you can't afford to have your stuff
Speaker 1: at all wet. Well, and it just in my experience,
Speaker 1: caused nothing but issues because as the water bladder starts
Speaker 1: to get smaller, you lose your compression. Things shift it
Speaker 1: pinches the hose or it pinches off the you know,
Speaker 1: you can't tighten the pack down super freezes. The hose freezes.
Speaker 1: So that's the other thing. As soon as there's snow
Speaker 1: on the ground and I leave the I don't bring
Speaker 1: a bladder anymore. It's travel I carry eating snow, milk drink. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I swapped. I swapped the bladder for an extra canister
Speaker 1: of fuel and so you know, just you know, stop,
Speaker 1: heat up some water, get at my water bottle and
Speaker 1: keep rolling. You only do that a couple few times.
Speaker 1: Do you like those plastic platypus ones? Well, I like
Speaker 1: them because I can carry extra water. I won't be
Speaker 1: I I never use them as a as a daily Yeah,
Speaker 1: as your daily. I don't have a hose hook to them.
Speaker 1: They are just water. And then they laughed for that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can't carrying around because in some areas,
Speaker 1: I'll like have my water bubble. I'll also fill up
Speaker 1: the MSR jug the ms R and put that in
Speaker 1: my backpack. Yeah. Depending on what your thing is going
Speaker 1: on with water and water could be tough. Oh that
Speaker 1: can ruin it. Huh. What do you like for a stove?
Speaker 1: I got so many different stoves, man, and then the
Speaker 1: pilots like like the bush pilots now not like in
Speaker 1: the canisters. Has move things back? Yeah, because he used
Speaker 1: to use like slot stoves, you know, then went to
Speaker 1: canister stoves. But now no one wants to fly the canisters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like back to slot stoves. Now. Well I
Speaker 1: heard that slut. Oh well, you know, like my optimist
Speaker 1: stove you can burn diesel on aviation fuel. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not my terms, Cora McCarthy's term. Got it. What are
Speaker 1: you packing for a stove? It depends on the time
Speaker 1: of year of the hunt. Um, so I say, on
Speaker 1: on this hunt, I'm trying to take virtue. All the
Speaker 1: food doesn't have to be cooked, you know, maybe it
Speaker 1: needs to be rehydrated. So you know, you need to
Speaker 1: rehydrate it at noon for it to be ready in
Speaker 1: the evening, but not counting on cooking and boiling water
Speaker 1: every day, so then you can go lighter on your fuel. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm using the msru is it is it the dragonfly
Speaker 1: on what's that one called? It's just that whisper light.
Speaker 1: Whisper light. Yeah, it's just that that's one. It is
Speaker 1: that little triangular stap plastic container. Yeah. Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: had that one too, and then they make they actually
Speaker 1: came up with a smaller version of that, and I
Speaker 1: just it just hits on a canister or you run, no,
Speaker 1: it fits on a canister. Oh you're thinking of the
Speaker 1: pocket rocket. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's nice little stone
Speaker 1: it is. That's a great little show. So I'll carry that,
Speaker 1: um one or two cans of fuel of the you know,
Speaker 1: the smaller four ounce ones and um and just not
Speaker 1: count on cooking much. You know, maybe if you need
Speaker 1: to melt snow for water or something, so you'll go
Speaker 1: the whole day and not eating anything warm. Yeah, most
Speaker 1: of the time. Most of the time. I'm not into
Speaker 1: that scene, man. Yeah, So tell me what you're instead
Speaker 1: of having a house at night, what are you eating? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I carry a lot of bars, um, you know, and
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of different things. And there's
Speaker 1: a few of the mountain houses too that if you
Speaker 1: get water in them early enough that it'll just be
Speaker 1: like cold leftovers by the end of the night, you know,
Speaker 1: so by the time you're ready to eat it, so
Speaker 1: you're just start thinking about dinner at noon. Throw some
Speaker 1: water you can. Yeah, you can do that. Um and uh,
Speaker 1: you know you can do it with different ramen. You
Speaker 1: can do the same thing or instant rice. It just
Speaker 1: takes longer. I never thought about that with the house
Speaker 1: Do you take a house packet and put cold water there?
Speaker 1: Some of them? Some of them you can. The chicken
Speaker 1: arryaky rice is the one that I carry. There is
Speaker 1: also a that is that like all you can find
Speaker 1: that information online or have you just learned that over experience? No,
Speaker 1: they were just the ones that I liked and you know,
Speaker 1: just tried it. You cold oatmeal in the morning, m yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well a lot of I actually, I mean I have
Speaker 1: in the past. I don't carry any oatmeal anymore. You
Speaker 1: don't drink coffee, no goose shots with double caffeine. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just try not to cook very
Speaker 1: much because I found that cooking in the darks of
Speaker 1: pain in the assid it always I don't know, I
Speaker 1: would rather just be going to sleep because you know,
Speaker 1: typically by the time it's dark you know what in Montana,
Speaker 1: you know, nine ten o'clock. Well it's not quite that
Speaker 1: late maybe in Alaska. But point being, as you know,
Speaker 1: rather be climbing into the tent. And so then if
Speaker 1: you're cooking during the you know, in the evening hours
Speaker 1: before it gets dark, that's that's prime time to be
Speaker 1: behind the glass. So I just found it was easier
Speaker 1: to you know, try to get that stuff taken care
Speaker 1: of dur in the middle of the day and maybe
Speaker 1: it's not as you know, not as good a hund
Speaker 1: and then then the same thing in the morning. Ah,
Speaker 1: get up, throw something in your pocket and get after
Speaker 1: it wherever, get to your glassing spot, you know, post
Speaker 1: figuring out. Yeah, breakfast is pretty easy to eat that way,
Speaker 1: like while you're glass and start snacking, you know, next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, what's new yea, Yeah, I just try to
Speaker 1: make it as low maintenance as possible. Man, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: like our set up. We got mayonnaise, mustard, sandwich, thins
Speaker 1: ham cheese. Yeah that sounds nice. I like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I like I like to try to get the but
Speaker 1: I like to try to get the food in. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's certain I know, there's like there's certain things where
Speaker 1: I think everybody breaks in their own direction when it
Speaker 1: comes to like what what warrants being carried, you know,
Speaker 1: and what's enjoyable because ultimately we go out there because
Speaker 1: we want to have fun, and so if somebody isn't
Speaker 1: having fun, because you know, they just yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it goes psychologically. Man. That's kind of my happiest part
Speaker 1: of the day. Actually, Yeah, my happiest part of the
Speaker 1: day having some house. Yeah. And it's not always that way,
Speaker 1: especially the elk hunting in Montana or you know where
Speaker 1: you have that stuff. But on the longer hunts, the
Speaker 1: sheep hunts, you know, when the weather it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more of the fall and not winter. I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's just the warm meal hasn't been as much of
Speaker 1: a priority. Yeah, you do, you bring any you don't
Speaker 1: bring any kind of fruit or anything, right, apples and
Speaker 1: stuff because dried you know, a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff has dried fruit in it. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there's some really good bars out there. If you
Speaker 1: guys have ever had the Green Belly meals, No, Man,
Speaker 1: we've got every barn the planet, but I never heard
Speaker 1: of that one or thought I had every every barn
Speaker 1: the planet. I'll tell you they're a ship. They're so good. Um,
Speaker 1: call Green Belly. Order them online. Order them online. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy runs a really cool business and uh, well
Speaker 1: we'll pull out like we'll have an assortment. Man, we
Speaker 1: got like kind pro I can't name them all, tons
Speaker 1: of them. Well, these zones are old schoolers. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: come with two bars in each pack and there's six
Speaker 1: hundred calories and the guy went through for the two
Speaker 1: of them. It is so I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a meal replacement as much as it is, you know,
Speaker 1: a snack, but um, they are they are balanced fats,
Speaker 1: proteins and carbs across the board, and so it's a
Speaker 1: really well rounded and he has a cool story on
Speaker 1: the background. I'll probably butcher it if I try to
Speaker 1: tell you, yeah, because you know what, I was really
Speaker 1: excited about it. But if there's a if it's a
Speaker 1: bar that has like the story written on the bag
Speaker 1: and it's it's nauseatingly cute. No no, no, it's not here.
Speaker 1: He's an ultra light guy. Okay, because now and then,
Speaker 1: like you'll read like every guy that came out with
Speaker 1: the bar, it feels like he's a put like a
Speaker 1: very cute see like why I make these bars or
Speaker 1: the marketing team that he picked up. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: we'll sometimes sit around we don't have any books to
Speaker 1: be able to read those bar bags. And now it's
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh my god, it's like a whole
Speaker 1: it's a whole other type of literature. Man. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: all started one old mom. I would like, just give
Speaker 1: me the bar bro so, no coffee, no vas, drink
Speaker 1: a little tea at night. Um, no, you're running cold.
Speaker 1: You're cold, camping cold, camping tough, little bastard, because it's
Speaker 1: not it's it's really not that bad, you know. Into it,
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that's what I was gonna. I was
Speaker 1: just gonna bring that point up. You quickly get used
Speaker 1: to whatever situation you made. You get used to it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time you already bringing some fuel anyway.
Speaker 1: It's like a dinky bit more to be able to
Speaker 1: warm up your food at night. Yeah. Yeah, And not
Speaker 1: to say that I you know that I don't or
Speaker 1: that you know, if time allows that, you're in a
Speaker 1: good you know spot, but I plan on not doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's kind of as I go through a lot of times,
Speaker 1: we'll eat house, um right, pre evening glass session. Yeah,
Speaker 1: an early dinner like you might hit some like four o'clock.
Speaker 1: You might hit a four o'clock house, right, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then yeah, like you said, it's late. It's kind of
Speaker 1: shady to go to bed on a full belly, so
Speaker 1: that way, and then you just have like you know,
Speaker 1: maybe another half a bar on your right at the tent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll go out for an evening glass and session and
Speaker 1: actually grab some water, grab a stove, get up there
Speaker 1: and get settled in, have a sack of food, and
Speaker 1: then kind of wrap up your couple hours of prime time.
Speaker 1: Then you just roll down and have a candy bar
Speaker 1: or something to go to bed. Yeah. That's some pleasurable
Speaker 1: evenings man. It is, you know, sitting behind the glass
Speaker 1: with with you know, your food and steaming up the limbs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: knowing that you're not going anywhere until like the one
Speaker 1: I at ten times, when all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: find what you're looking for and okay, drop everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So do you, um, when you're going on a long hunt,
Speaker 1: what do you what's your theory on binoculars and spot
Speaker 1: and scope? I think it depends on the country. So
Speaker 1: when when I was hunting Alaska guy, I went very
Speaker 1: light weight on both, so I was ah, I wasn't
Speaker 1: as concerned with glass in Alaska as I am here
Speaker 1: in Montana on these hunts, just because picking out a
Speaker 1: white sheep on black rock is different than it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, and it's a little bit different. And and
Speaker 1: you know, uh, I didn't feel confident shooting a ram
Speaker 1: on age, so I did. I didn't feel like I
Speaker 1: was going to be in a spot trying to count rings, um,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I I would bring something lighter that
Speaker 1: was middle of the road on a spotting scope and
Speaker 1: just some lightweight binoculars. I had some little like a
Speaker 1: pocket binoculars and um, and you know, it was just
Speaker 1: enough to scan around as you moved, and it was
Speaker 1: just you know, it's just a different program. You're not
Speaker 1: trying to pick sheep out of the timber. You're you're
Speaker 1: you're trying to make sure you know that you don't
Speaker 1: make a mistake when you come up over a ridge,
Speaker 1: so you know, a quick scan to make sure that
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna be exposed. And and then
Speaker 1: once you got in a spot, your glassing was more organized,
Speaker 1: you had more time, you were getting a spot, you
Speaker 1: set up your spotting scope. You know, it's just much
Speaker 1: different than hunting through Montana, where your view is changing
Speaker 1: all the time and you're you're kind of always seemed
Speaker 1: to behind your glass make sure you don't blow something out,
Speaker 1: and so you know, but that being said, in Montana, um,
Speaker 1: this time, I'll be carrying a swarrow eighty five and
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what I've carried on these hunts.
Speaker 1: And then go a little bit lighter on a big
Speaker 1: bruiser of a spot, in the big bruiser of a
Speaker 1: spotting and that's where I'm spending the majority of my
Speaker 1: time as I set the spotting scope to glass. And
Speaker 1: then really you just one eyeball it all day long.
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't get well, yeah, it gets old. But
Speaker 1: you know there's don't you feel like you'd be more
Speaker 1: effective just just running like a pair of tens or
Speaker 1: twelves and just picking off movement with a bigger field
Speaker 1: of view and more comfortable, less eyestrain. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think when things are moving you probably would be. But
Speaker 1: the problem is you spend a lot of the day
Speaker 1: looking in spots where you're just trying to pick out
Speaker 1: anything and ear you know, a rump. You know, you're
Speaker 1: trying to find bedded animals as you move down through um,
Speaker 1: you know, say spend a lot of time in the timber.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, you're absolutely right. If if if you're
Speaker 1: glassing for things that are feeding in the evening and
Speaker 1: they're in the morning, something that's on the move, and
Speaker 1: you're trying to cover a lot of country, I think
Speaker 1: behind the perpon oculars would be way better. But and
Speaker 1: and it depends on the distance too. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of those canyons, you you might be glass and
Speaker 1: you know, close to a mile away trying to pick
Speaker 1: something out. And that's tough when you uh, when you
Speaker 1: were hunting doll sheep a lot were you did you
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time or did you just kind
Speaker 1: of skim through everything? I skim. I think that was
Speaker 1: the thing that I really liked about it was that
Speaker 1: it was it was a higher it was a lot
Speaker 1: higher paced. You know, you're you're just covering ground, and
Speaker 1: you know that was the key, covering ground, get into
Speaker 1: places that you can glass, you know, move to the
Speaker 1: next spot opposed to you know, when you're hunting these
Speaker 1: animals that are in the timber, you'll walk right by.
Speaker 1: I proved that. Yeah, so you know that story. Well,
Speaker 1: the same area I'm going into right now is the
Speaker 1: first place I hunted ten years ago, and I didn't
Speaker 1: see a sheep, and you know, and that's because I
Speaker 1: was I. I just hunted it like you know, like
Speaker 1: we did doll sheep. You know, try to get elevation,
Speaker 1: cover as much country as you can, spend the time
Speaker 1: through the glass and just systematically moved through areas. But
Speaker 1: you couldn't. You had to spend a lot more time
Speaker 1: in one spot. I think if you if you want
Speaker 1: to find animals, and so you're saying you proved it
Speaker 1: by not finding what I proved it by not finding anything. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: now knowing that they're probably were they were there, Oh
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure I walked by sheep.
Speaker 1: How many? Uh what's your thoughts on a cubic inches
Speaker 1: for backpack because you got a plan on being able
Speaker 1: to pack that sheet back out? Yeah, well I think
Speaker 1: that that's that was kind of where my designs came
Speaker 1: from for backpacks, was not having to figure that out.
Speaker 1: So size your bag to the size of your gear.
Speaker 1: You don't you have to size it to the gear
Speaker 1: plus food if you don't want to because you can
Speaker 1: carry the gear in the load shelf, but now you
Speaker 1: always have the designated spot for the load shelf for
Speaker 1: the meat for your pack out meat and horns. So
Speaker 1: you know, instead of having to carry a seventy cubic
Speaker 1: kinch bag, now maybe you only need to carry four
Speaker 1: thousand cubic you know, to fit all of your gear
Speaker 1: and food. And then you always know that you have
Speaker 1: that three thousand cubic inches a space designated when you
Speaker 1: separate the back away from the frame in the load shelf,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to worry about it. And you know,
Speaker 1: on the flip side, you can do the same thing
Speaker 1: which I've done, is to carry all the food in
Speaker 1: the load shelf in the in the same bag that
Speaker 1: you carry meat out in. And you know, as soon
Speaker 1: as you get to camp, everything is organized. You just
Speaker 1: pulled the bag out, take what you need, keep moving.
Speaker 1: Or you know, in in wilderness areas where you're required
Speaker 1: to sling the food in the tree, everything's already organized.
Speaker 1: You just pull it out, hut it up the tree,
Speaker 1: keep moving. Do you not bring a um? Do you
Speaker 1: not bring a trash bag liner? Because I don't? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because man like nothing keeps blood like there's no short
Speaker 1: of that nothing, He's blood out of everything. No, but
Speaker 1: that's why if you have it in the load shelf,
Speaker 1: you never worry about just let it go. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that, and that's that's part of the design
Speaker 1: is the fact that the the load cell that you
Speaker 1: that you put the meat in, the blood can drain,
Speaker 1: so you don't get you know, especially in Alaska, I
Speaker 1: mean if you have sixties seventy eighty degree days, you
Speaker 1: get that coagulated blood in the bottom that the meat
Speaker 1: is just sitting and it's constantly moist, you know, just
Speaker 1: great place to grow bacteria and you know, taint meat.
Speaker 1: So you're allowing the meat to drain, just drain out
Speaker 1: the bottom of the bag. And then you know, in
Speaker 1: between the bag and the frame, the back side of
Speaker 1: the bag is hydrophobic material xpacts, so you don't ever
Speaker 1: get any migration of the you know, have the blood
Speaker 1: or any sort of anything that can contaminate your your gear.
Speaker 1: So now you don't need that. Before you started the
Speaker 1: Stone Glacier, what was the backpacks you were messing around with? UM.
Speaker 1: I played with quite a few different ones, mostly the internals,
Speaker 1: so you know, I had some arc tereks I had
Speaker 1: some north face but just regular mountaineering bags. But you know,
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't long before I figured out that
Speaker 1: they just didn't quite have enough stability. You know. One,
Speaker 1: once you got a hundred plus pounds in them, you
Speaker 1: get a lot more roll and shift out. They didn't
Speaker 1: have as many compression straps as the hunting packs had,
Speaker 1: but they were lightweight, they were comfortable, and so that's
Speaker 1: what I did a lot of a lot of hunting with.
Speaker 1: But there you're back in the same spot. Now you're
Speaker 1: putting the meat in there and right in there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it creates a tough situation. Yeah, that's where you see
Speaker 1: the limitation of the pack because on those packs, you
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna be carrying, and you know it's
Speaker 1: only gonna get lighter. Yep, as you eat your food.
Speaker 1: There's never the thing of like, oh man, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: what could happen if you get lucky? Yeah, and how
Speaker 1: that's gonna go? Yeah, and you're like trying to tie
Speaker 1: jump to the outside and just yeah, yeah it is
Speaker 1: a mess. That can be a mess. Yeah you don't
Speaker 1: but yeah, so that that's kind of the point is,
Speaker 1: is you know, size the bag to the gear and
Speaker 1: your food what you need at the time, and then
Speaker 1: let the low shelf silk everything else up. Yeah. How
Speaker 1: many how many rounds you bring with you? I usually
Speaker 1: bring about ten, so you're pretty heavy on rounds. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and no, I think that we all we all realize
Speaker 1: that we run thirteen. I think there's just three because
Speaker 1: you got a few. You got a couple of the magazine.
Speaker 1: Three in the magazine and you grab one of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you grab a sleeve. And that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: I think we might have talked about this last time,
Speaker 1: and I think I might have said third team because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember if I was counting the ten
Speaker 1: total or ten and then three. So yeah, but I'm less.
Speaker 1: I usually just carry too whatever my gun is. I
Speaker 1: have like two mag's full. I like my gun full,
Speaker 1: and then I'll have enough in my pocket to reload.
Speaker 1: Here's my thinking. My thinking is that what's always in
Speaker 1: my head, it never doesn't happen, is that you're gonna
Speaker 1: fall bad m hm and be like, man, I gotta
Speaker 1: fire a couple rounds to check my zero. YEA have
Speaker 1: a problem there. You need to fire a couple more
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have to shoot some rocks in
Speaker 1: front of a grizzly bear to scare them off, and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna be like, dude, I only got two rounds.
Speaker 1: What if something goes wrong? Right? So that's kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: how I think about it? And I always like trying
Speaker 1: to keep them, always put them a couple different places.
Speaker 1: Like I'll put a couple of my magazine, I stick
Speaker 1: one of my binal harness, and then I put my
Speaker 1: other one somewhere else. So I sort of have like
Speaker 1: like a system, like a redundancy system. If I remember, right,
Speaker 1: you're the one that you're running three wind right for
Speaker 1: sheep ill At the time, I was running a three
Speaker 1: seventy eight weather be in a Flaska. So if you
Speaker 1: lightened up your yeah, yeah, I have a I have
Speaker 1: a three weather be now a lot of medicine for
Speaker 1: a sheep it is. But boy, you know, with with
Speaker 1: these v l d s and just the accuracy and
Speaker 1: you know the lack of wind drift and the energy
Speaker 1: that it carries down range. Right, Yeah, you're very shot
Speaker 1: long range. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't shoot
Speaker 1: too far. Uh, you know, conditions would have to be
Speaker 1: just right. But what's too far? I think it depends
Speaker 1: on the conditions. Now, in the perfect conditions, you're feeling good.
Speaker 1: I think in the perfect conditions, no wind, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel I feel confident out to six hundred yeah, um,
Speaker 1: you know I've shot help at that range before the
Speaker 1: sheep I got down there before it was at four d.
Speaker 1: All confident with that, so yeah, I mean, if everything's right,
Speaker 1: but I think that that's where it plays in. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to make that call. What are the gear
Speaker 1: categories we got for like bagpack, hunts man, Uh, we
Speaker 1: haven't touched on track and poles? You carry track and pole?
Speaker 1: I do? I I carry it that um Petzel used
Speaker 1: to make us. They call it a snow scopic, so
Speaker 1: it's yeah, yeah, I carry that and then typically one
Speaker 1: trucking pole, so you carry that snowstopic like this even
Speaker 1: now yeah down here, yeah, well in sheep hunts I do.
Speaker 1: It's it's just so handy to have around, you know,
Speaker 1: just because you know clearing out rocks are trying to
Speaker 1: get a campsite ready or um you know, if I mean,
Speaker 1: if you just find if you can find a wet
Speaker 1: spot in the hill where you where you have some
Speaker 1: moisture coming out, you can dig in there and get
Speaker 1: a puddle and just you know, come back a couple
Speaker 1: of hours later, and you know a lot of times
Speaker 1: you'll have you'll have water that you can get to.
Speaker 1: So I just just having that little bit of an
Speaker 1: ice axe, is it's I found it a real useful tool. Mhmm.
Speaker 1: You just told in your hand. Yeah, you just use
Speaker 1: it just like a just like a trucking. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny you mention that because I remember like hunting
Speaker 1: sheep digging through rock piles trying to find water. You
Speaker 1: can hear it, Yeah, the cat drives you crazy, man.
Speaker 1: You can hear it down there somewhere, you know, but
Speaker 1: you just can't do it out you can't get to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's kind of maddening, man, because you're like, dude, we
Speaker 1: could save a lot of walk and if we can
Speaker 1: find where this water is deep underground. Yeah, Curts telling
Speaker 1: me when we shut down for a second earlier, Um
Speaker 1: about a good little trick with track and poles. Is
Speaker 1: taking this double sided velcro. It's got like the hook
Speaker 1: and loop on one side and then the no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that is the hook right is the hard part and
Speaker 1: the loop is the soft part. But anyways, just wrapping it,
Speaker 1: you know, like two thirds of the way up, wrapping
Speaker 1: your two poles together and then just exit them and
Speaker 1: unbelievable shooting rests for shooting rest yeah, yeah, you bring
Speaker 1: your tripod. I do. Yeah, but my tripod you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of back to the same thing that we
Speaker 1: were talking about with layers and um. You know, my
Speaker 1: tripods set up with pick tenny rail so I can
Speaker 1: put my I can shoot off of it. It'll touch
Speaker 1: to have a pic tiny rail on my on my rifle.
Speaker 1: I have one on my spotting scope. I have a
Speaker 1: little adapter for my camera, so you know, everything will
Speaker 1: slide right into the one piece. So and it's the
Speaker 1: it'll adjust from nine inches up to fifty four inches,
Speaker 1: so you know, it gives you a wide range. What's
Speaker 1: the tripod way, it's right at two pounds. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: tripods happy. But I little bit man. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that that's and that's a tough thing because you know,
Speaker 1: my the spotting scope weighs over four pounds I think
Speaker 1: four pounds four ounces or something, So it's a heavy
Speaker 1: spotting scope for a small tripod, so you can't get
Speaker 1: it too high in the air. But you know, typically
Speaker 1: in those conditions you're glassing, you're you're on an angled piece,
Speaker 1: so you know, on an angled hill, so you can
Speaker 1: set the tripod right between your legs and it's an
Speaker 1: angled eye piece, so it just sits right here in
Speaker 1: your chest, so you know, it's not you don't have
Speaker 1: to get it up real high. So it's a different
Speaker 1: program than I think. If so, if you're out, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to find meal here and had to get up
Speaker 1: above the stage rush and had to have a tall spotting, let'scope, right,
Speaker 1: you don't get any shake, you feel without lightweight tripod,
Speaker 1: not not if I keep it low. If I keep
Speaker 1: it low, and and you know normally you're kind of
Speaker 1: just right there on top of it, so you're blocking
Speaker 1: the wind. But yeah, you know that's it's not as
Speaker 1: stable as you know, carrying a four or five pound tripod,
Speaker 1: that's for certain. Yeah, I think my head and legs
Speaker 1: come in right just shy at four pounds? Are they
Speaker 1: really that heavy? Yeah? How how the hell heavy is mine?
Speaker 1: I wonder? Is this is roughly the same? Might be
Speaker 1: a little bit more, man, I like that thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. It's quality life issue. Man, Let's see,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it like being able to do some
Speaker 1: power glass and you know, or just like everything's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah. If your glass is not steady, it's
Speaker 1: hard to hard to stay in the game the game.
Speaker 1: Do you bring a Do you bring um a tart
Speaker 1: beside your tent? No? I don't. Sometimes we do, but
Speaker 1: for this I wouldn't. Yeah know, because for this, I
Speaker 1: feel like the tent is always going to be with
Speaker 1: me or pretty darn close. Usually the tarp combs with me.
Speaker 1: If we're making like a base camp, I know we're
Speaker 1: gonna be out for the day. Yeah. Does the guy
Speaker 1: that you checked, the pilot we're flying in with he
Speaker 1: doesn't let you have canisters? Or does he does? He does?
Speaker 1: How could that be like a thing that they probably
Speaker 1: should't talk about because maybe he's not fools too. I
Speaker 1: don't know the f A rules. I don't know either.
Speaker 1: You bring pepper spray? No? And you're in grizz country wow?
Speaker 1: And no pistol either. Oh you have your rife? Have
Speaker 1: my rifle? Yeah? No spray? No spray? Times are changing, man, Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't you feel like they're getting thicker by the day
Speaker 1: around here. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh. I think we proved
Speaker 1: that every fall with all the encounters that happened just
Speaker 1: ending around Gallaton County doing that. The Madison's h multiple
Speaker 1: encounters every year. When that big sumby comes from you,
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, your rivals gonna leaning against a tree
Speaker 1: man way leaving against. I never leaved behind. I got
Speaker 1: caught in Alaska one time, going down to the river
Speaker 1: to wash fought out. Yeah, I got called by bear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: turned around and there was a bear on the other
Speaker 1: side of my tent, probably forty yards away. Yeah. My
Speaker 1: rifle was laying up there. Yeah. Luckily he just kept
Speaker 1: on no, he while he dropped down and started eight.
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't charging. I don't know what he
Speaker 1: was doing, but he was running at me, and he
Speaker 1: was looking at me. And then he stopped at about
Speaker 1: twenty yards and as soon as he ran towards me.
Speaker 1: I know, they say you're not supposed to run, but
Speaker 1: I you know, I ran towards my rifle. You know,
Speaker 1: they're like, there was only a couple of things. I
Speaker 1: was running towards him. He was running towards me, and
Speaker 1: he stopped about twenty yards and stood up, and right
Speaker 1: about time I got to my rifle and he was
Speaker 1: just trying to catch when. I just don't think he
Speaker 1: knew what was going on, but there was no doubt
Speaker 1: that had he chose that he wanted me, he would
Speaker 1: have had me. And uh, yeah, I just kind of
Speaker 1: felt lucky figured to keep it a little closer. That's
Speaker 1: the point of the story. My brothers were hunting doll
Speaker 1: sheet and uh, They're sitting there by their tent and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, up over the hill comes tearing
Speaker 1: at him. A wolf comes tearing at him, like, you know,
Speaker 1: first like what in the world, but then like over
Speaker 1: the hill because he's running because it's a grizz hot
Speaker 1: on his trail. Man. And then they both saw him
Speaker 1: and spun off in different directions. But yeah, that stuff
Speaker 1: can catch you by surprise, man. Yeah, for sure. So
Speaker 1: no pistol, no spray. I don't you know, for many, many,
Speaker 1: many years I did the same thing. But now after
Speaker 1: having like after you know, now I just don't think
Speaker 1: that I don't think that the rifles really I think
Speaker 1: there's certain times when the rifles reliable. But when you
Speaker 1: sit there and you got a load of meat and
Speaker 1: you got your rifle tied to the back of your
Speaker 1: back backpack. But you might as well not even have
Speaker 1: that something, bitch man. Yeah, it doesn't happen like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's generally in my hand most times. You use
Speaker 1: a sling though, Yeah, yeah, they use a sling sometimes. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if it's a tight area, you should have it
Speaker 1: in my hands, you know, if I can't see, if
Speaker 1: I can't it's dark because of getting mal scratched. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like a security blanket. Yeah. No, I
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. Just happy you're walking around with
Speaker 1: it in your hand. Anything we haven't touched on bad
Speaker 1: country long hunt gear. Uh, you know. The only other
Speaker 1: thing that I was thinking about is just how when
Speaker 1: you're hunting with a partner, how your your gear. Your
Speaker 1: gear choice can change because me and my bro we'll
Speaker 1: each have to only carry half. One guy carries the
Speaker 1: steaks and poles and the other guy carries the tent body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is nice. One spot and scope, one spotting scope exactly,
Speaker 1: one dry pod, one stove. Yeah. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm brave enough to do one rifle. We've done it.
Speaker 1: We've done it. It's like, give me that rifle my turn. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we've done that. One guy has one rifle. You don't
Speaker 1: think anything about it. Yeah, well no, I know who.
Speaker 1: Uh my dad had a cheap tag last year and
Speaker 1: we had talked about it and he said, I'll just
Speaker 1: I'll just bring my rifle. You don't have to carry yours.
Speaker 1: And I said, I'll just bring it just in case.
Speaker 1: Where we got in the hell of a snowstorm and
Speaker 1: we thought we knew were these sheep where And when
Speaker 1: we finally came up, they had moved up closer to us,
Speaker 1: and it happened really quick, and he took his he
Speaker 1: took his his rifle off, his slang and his scope
Speaker 1: caps were gone and it was just plugged filled with
Speaker 1: snow and everything was and unfortunately I had my rifle,
Speaker 1: everything was set handed it to him. Yeah he had
Speaker 1: the shot, but we had just his rifle. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it would have happened. Did you like scope caps?
Speaker 1: You know? I have I have a scope coat on
Speaker 1: the mind now new yprene a neoprene because uh, you know,
Speaker 1: all my scopes have the turrets on them, and so
Speaker 1: you know, it's just It's just another nice protection you
Speaker 1: don't accidentally get, you know, anything turned or just kind
Speaker 1: of tighter program. I've messed around with every I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm messed around with every scope cap on the plant. Man.
Speaker 1: I just think a neoprene a neoprene cover. You like
Speaker 1: the caps, don't you. I've donald you've used them in
Speaker 1: the past. Um, but yeah, I'm a neoprene scope cover guy.
Speaker 1: Now I've spent a lot of years like when they
Speaker 1: first started coming out, you know, and like Butler Creek
Speaker 1: had those ones and the springs that break and the
Speaker 1: pins that fall out, and you'll be trying to find
Speaker 1: the parts yeah uh in the snow or whatever. And
Speaker 1: now just like it's just like it's like an infallibility
Speaker 1: to a neoprene cover. Yeah, yeah, there definitely as you know,
Speaker 1: another nice scope cover that I've used though, is uh
Speaker 1: night Force sends out. They're kind of almost a rubber
Speaker 1: one that that goes on and that that's the only
Speaker 1: single piece one that I've used, And I actually really
Speaker 1: like that one. Yeah, but I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: who makes it other than them. I just use the
Speaker 1: I mean, just like a just a general like vortexes
Speaker 1: has a general neoprene one you yep, pull over and
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Man. You know, for a while, I
Speaker 1: got so burned out on sculpe covers. We went we'd
Speaker 1: go down to the hardware store and get like PVC
Speaker 1: and and caught it. So you had the kind of
Speaker 1: had the reducer and so you could a POxy in
Speaker 1: a piece of plexiglass in there and then use bungee cord.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then you had like a one pound
Speaker 1: sculpe cover that was indestructible, man, indestructible. And um brother
Speaker 1: made up a batch of those. We use those from Wow.
Speaker 1: And now I just use like the near prent cover
Speaker 1: and you just gotta be careful not to leave it land.
Speaker 1: It's actually the kind of thing you can bring too
Speaker 1: of because like literally ways, I would say, like literally nothing,
Speaker 1: Yeah they are you could grab you could you could
Speaker 1: justify sticking the extra one in your kid, yep, your
Speaker 1: little gear kid, Dude. I'm excited how to go home
Speaker 1: and go through all my junk. Man, I kind of
Speaker 1: got a whole day set aside to pack. Something will
Speaker 1: come up, and I think something will come up when
Speaker 1: I will get messed up. But right I think it's
Speaker 1: one of the funnest, funnest portions of you know, kidding
Speaker 1: ready anticipation, your gear and the planning. If it's not
Speaker 1: part of this process, as long as it's not rushed,
Speaker 1: but long as like you got young kids, you can't
Speaker 1: focus on anything. No, no, it's pretty accurate. Five and seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got one of each of those. Well five and
Speaker 1: eight you can't focus. Oh no, it's after bedtime. That's
Speaker 1: when that happens. Gear the gear messing. Yeah, the gear messing.
Speaker 1: But when you can do it right, you're not just
Speaker 1: cramming stuff in a bag. It's pretty fun, man, it is.
Speaker 1: Get your gear dial you're thinking about it now, Yanni
Speaker 1: can't really get packed properly because your house is torn
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, well, luckily my little basement corner
Speaker 1: where my little zone is, um my little man cave
Speaker 1: zone down there. It's it's it's kept up, it's it's neatness.
Speaker 1: So I don't think you should call it a man
Speaker 1: cave because it's functional. Oh, man caves aren't functional. No,
Speaker 1: it's like place where people go to watch TV. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear you, you're right, But I think originally a
Speaker 1: man cave was usually in the garage, like that's the
Speaker 1: original man. Then it became a thing like then man
Speaker 1: caves got messed up, or man caves also became things.
Speaker 1: They became places where like you go down to be lazy.
Speaker 1: It should be a place where you go to like
Speaker 1: get your stuff dialed. Yeah, right, but it became a
Speaker 1: thing where you like got big couches and TVs and
Speaker 1: it's like this a place you got to be lazy
Speaker 1: while your wife's being lazy upstairs. Yeah, like in your
Speaker 1: basement or your kids allowed in that room that weird
Speaker 1: podcasting in U No, Yeah, like that little zone of mine.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it is safety, right, Like
Speaker 1: they're shipping there that they can get hurt with, you know,
Speaker 1: sharp things as well as you know other things. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like they're just not allowed to be in that zone.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's like the man cave, right, I
Speaker 1: think you'd call it the man zone. Yeah. But look
Speaker 1: if my gal, you know, I mean there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of tools and stuff in there too, So my gal
Speaker 1: needs anything out of there, She's more than welcome as
Speaker 1: long as he gets put back in the right spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Because I do a lot of fixing down there too,
Speaker 1: and one of the kids things breaks. I go to
Speaker 1: the same zone that I pack in to repair, to
Speaker 1: glue their ship back together, you know, to fix stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like mostly my garage set up,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not set up for like ranching on old
Speaker 1: tractors and ship you know what I mean. I'm set
Speaker 1: up for like working on the outdoor gear. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: like my primary thing, like I'm rigged for gear. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can mount a rifle scupe yeah. So yeah, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. That's saying, you know, I don't have like
Speaker 1: a three quarter inch drive ratchets down there and stuff
Speaker 1: like that for you know, like rebuilding some alice chalmers
Speaker 1: or something. You know, it's just not what I'm it's
Speaker 1: not where I'm at when it comes to tool and
Speaker 1: and you're the only guy you know that has a
Speaker 1: big sewing machine in his gear room. Yeah. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a rarity, it is, that's next level. It is. It's fun.
Speaker 1: I knew one other guy to add that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was in his man zone, but old man,
Speaker 1: I hope you're listening. I hope you're still alive. But
Speaker 1: there's a chance that he might not be alive, but
Speaker 1: he might be dead. Donnie the wild Man, uh oh,
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of stories about this guy. His
Speaker 1: last name though, it's Yeah, because he sewed into his
Speaker 1: vast pistol holder. Well you know, it was like a
Speaker 1: leather jacket, you know, not like a biker, kind of
Speaker 1: like a biker. Yeah, I guess you could have if
Speaker 1: you have just seen him Donnie on the street, you
Speaker 1: could have thought that he was getting rid of jump
Speaker 1: on a Harley. But yeah, he had all kinds that
Speaker 1: he had, like a special pocket for like cigarettes, probably
Speaker 1: had another pocket for the second pack of cigarettes, for
Speaker 1: a coke can in there, and yeah, for his giant
Speaker 1: forty four mag He's one of those like I think
Speaker 1: it was the Rocky Mountain Special, remember that one. It's
Speaker 1: like the even the cylinder had no grooves cut out
Speaker 1: of it, so it's like added weight heavy and yeah,
Speaker 1: you think the pockets sewn in for that thing. Um.
Speaker 1: But he was like that. He was he was a
Speaker 1: guy that got like tinkered with stuff. Yeah, you probably
Speaker 1: would have got along with him. He just like they
Speaker 1: called him the wild man, right, but I remember him.
Speaker 1: He was saying at nighttime he would do nothing to
Speaker 1: prepare for bed. Yeah, he would just lay down a
Speaker 1: lot of times too. He didn't sleep and wake up
Speaker 1: and again prepared for bed. He put his cigarette out
Speaker 1: and lay down and then he way back up and
Speaker 1: his lighted. Yeah, light, crack of coke go and everything.
Speaker 1: He would be like, can't use that bunk. Now there's
Speaker 1: dying bull. There's no ship there, there's no sleep bag. Yet,
Speaker 1: dying doesn't need any of that stuff. I remember him
Speaker 1: buying like a brand new Arctic Cat. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how those things are five dollars, right, I
Speaker 1: don't know how much brand new nice thing. By the
Speaker 1: time I got to see it in his garage, the
Speaker 1: seats ripped off. It's been chopped in half. The um
Speaker 1: he's got like the whole like I don't know what
Speaker 1: you call it, but like the thing that metal piece
Speaker 1: that goes around the seat where you like put your
Speaker 1: feet on and it kind of extends behind the seat,
Speaker 1: and he's just drilling holes through it because he was
Speaker 1: lightning the whole thing. So it had a seat that
Speaker 1: like you could just fit like maybe two people on.
Speaker 1: Well he cut it down to a seat to fit
Speaker 1: a half a person. The whole thing was full of holes,
Speaker 1: you know, and so and he sowed a new leather
Speaker 1: seat to fit this. You know. So he had skills,
Speaker 1: but he was the wild man. And did it look
Speaker 1: good or did it look like someone was happening on
Speaker 1: look good? Yeah, my old man hung out with guys.
Speaker 1: They were like they were gear tinkers. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: like they were trying to make ship light for wanding
Speaker 1: around in the mountains for a week at a time.
Speaker 1: They were they were tinkers like um, making your own
Speaker 1: ice fish and shanties, making your own charcoal grills, you know,
Speaker 1: but any kind of like building stuff, right, like building
Speaker 1: outdoor equipment of big ship. So these guys were at
Speaker 1: the thing where they had like welders and stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: or smelters or you know, I mean like weird kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. But there's this thing that makes people want
Speaker 1: to go and mess with something. I never look at uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I never look at me like, man, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to devise some new way to like key
Speaker 1: to ice shanty, right. But I think there's people have
Speaker 1: a proclivity, right, they have a tendency to want to
Speaker 1: go jury rig stuff. Do you know that jury rigg
Speaker 1: and Jerry rigor interchangeable m you knew that kitty corner
Speaker 1: caddy corner. No one knows what one's right. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Kurt? Is that an east
Speaker 1: coast west coast thing? I don't think so. I don't
Speaker 1: know tomato tomato things. Yeah, in the other final wells,
Speaker 1: yeah no, because it's different the pronunciations, right down to
Speaker 1: the spelling catty corner and kitty corner. Um. Nothing hunt
Speaker 1: with a partner. You were saying, Oh, yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: think I think you hit on that, just that change
Speaker 1: of stuff. But you're a solo man. Yeah. How many
Speaker 1: sheet punks you done by yourself? I don't know actually, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, probably you know for since it's two thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a bad mofo out winding around the mountains by
Speaker 1: yourself at dinnertime. No, no hogging his rifle all night.
Speaker 1: It's just that of necessity, you know, when you're when
Speaker 1: you're in cold grab, when you when you're taking those
Speaker 1: chunks of time. A lot of times it's it's it's
Speaker 1: tough to line up, you know, schedules and people who
Speaker 1: want to go into the same areas. And some dude
Speaker 1: came to you. Some dude came to you and said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I want to throw in with you on your sheep
Speaker 1: hunt this September. You'd probably say no, because why have
Speaker 1: the That's what my brother's thing is. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pitch him right now. Will be like, look,
Speaker 1: can't do that. I'll carry enough fuel so we can
Speaker 1: eat hot shit every night. We'll split the weight of
Speaker 1: our shelter and our spot and scope, and I'll even
Speaker 1: carry an extra pair of socks and on these for you.
Speaker 1: Do I get to shoot first? Yeah, in the unit
Speaker 1: where one sheep closes. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my brother who could out lonely you, he might not
Speaker 1: out lonely if he could compy on loneliness lonely tolerance. Um,
Speaker 1: he just likes, just likes not having to like consult.
Speaker 1: What do you think? I don't know, what do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think we should go over there. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: happy to hunt with people, but he sees the upside.
Speaker 1: It's not like he you know, he just sees the
Speaker 1: upside and being by himself in that, just not having
Speaker 1: to well, and he's mentioned that right there. He's like,
Speaker 1: I never had to worry about who's shooting first. I'm
Speaker 1: always up exactly. So. But anyways, if some dude came
Speaker 1: to you instead, and it's a friend yours, not some
Speaker 1: straight wildcat, right, some some dude came to you and said, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to throw in I was thinking about going
Speaker 1: to the same place anyway, would you be like, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll bump into you, or would you then say, you
Speaker 1: know what, let's let's coordinate. No, if it was a
Speaker 1: good friend, I'd yeah, I'd welcome it. So you're not
Speaker 1: You're not like pushing You're not pushing your best friends
Speaker 1: on Oh no, no, no, not any not any respect.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I have lots of good friends that
Speaker 1: you know, we go on hunts, you know, throughout the year,
Speaker 1: whether it be elk or or any of that. I
Speaker 1: just think that you kind of have to find somebody
Speaker 1: spe Siana hunt like this that's willing to take what
Speaker 1: time you have for the year, because you know, for
Speaker 1: all of us, between you know, work and family and
Speaker 1: all that, being able to take fourteen days and go
Speaker 1: possibly on a hunt where you're not going to fill
Speaker 1: the freezer, a lot of people don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: It's not a freezer filler. No, especially when we have
Speaker 1: so much great elk hunting, you know, all around here
Speaker 1: is your wife Maddie about fourteen days. No, not even
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit. No, but it hasn't when
Speaker 1: you come back. When you come back, is it gonna
Speaker 1: be the kind of thing where it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's home. It's so great. Or will it be that
Speaker 1: you come in and it's kind of like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: can you take care of this? It depends if I
Speaker 1: come back with the sheet actors that in. No, No,
Speaker 1: but that there's I think that there is a part
Speaker 1: of that where you know, when you spend that much time,
Speaker 1: you want to be successful. But it's also a nice
Speaker 1: knowing going into it that that really isn't the expectation,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really more about the adventure and
Speaker 1: taking that time and you figure out another way to
Speaker 1: fill the fraser. Yeah, because doll sheep too, man. I
Speaker 1: mean they're not that big. No, they're not freezer fillers. No, No,
Speaker 1: not by any stretch. But it's pretty high quality, it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of guys, Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys in the Laska regarded as the finest, right
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, but it's it's just a lot more.
Speaker 1: It's a bottle lot more than that. Man, It's not
Speaker 1: like out filling doe TEGs. It's just a whole different deal,
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, it's a whole different deal. It's just
Speaker 1: doing something that you have to be paying total attention to,
Speaker 1: man and being like a little bit vulnerable all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and being like there is no real there's really no
Speaker 1: getting lucky m hm no. And it takes you out
Speaker 1: of your comfort zone. And so you know, that's the
Speaker 1: one thing that I found about those types of adventures
Speaker 1: is every time you push yourself, that becomes a new norm. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're looking to ad ants, you're looking
Speaker 1: to stay longer or get farther in or go by
Speaker 1: yourself or whatever your next step is that you know
Speaker 1: you can There's never a finite finish line. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's always something that you can add to it. There's
Speaker 1: always some other way that you can challenge yourself. I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of the cool part about it for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a new norm. Yeah, cold food, yeah, lonely nights.
Speaker 1: You can you can learn how to deal with that.
Speaker 1: You can learn how to deal with a lot. Man,
Speaker 1: It's not that bad. No, you make it sound fun.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, any final gear thoughts, I don't have any.
Speaker 1: You're tapped. Yeah, I was tearing me up with my
Speaker 1: bringing my my Um no, I'm cool on that. But
Speaker 1: my track and pull with the ice axe head stuck
Speaker 1: to it. So I thought of as a mountain go
Speaker 1: hunt and too man. Now, yeah, it's kind of got
Speaker 1: me thinking excavation. I think there's a chance to that
Speaker 1: we're gonna cross some glaciers, so yeah, we might want
Speaker 1: to think about having more than just one with us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Danny probably carry his Oneman brother. All right, sir, Yanni's good.
Speaker 1: No last thoughts, I'm good man. All right. I hope
Speaker 1: you come back and your wife's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's home me too, and not like you'll never guess
Speaker 1: what you'll never guess what the kids did. All right, Thanks,