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Ye, honest, 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:46.039 if you could know one thing about um, like if 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.240 you had one question about my time up at our 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.600 fish shack, Like, what's the thing you're most dying to know? Like, 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.280 if you could ask me one thing about it? What 0:01:55.360 --> 0:02:00.400 would you ask me? Mm hmm, I'm on this spot here. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.720 He didn't give me any earlier. Your first question, Your 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.959 first question was was there a lot of bears around? Yeah? 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:10.520 And you know when I asked you that I was 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.519 actually asking more just general if you guys are out about, 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.440 you know, fishing, when you've seen a lot of bears. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.040 But you answered, yes, there's a shipload. And then you 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.040 went into tell me about the stories about how they 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:25.560 were crawling underneath the shock to come towards you as 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.680 your flame fish beating off like beating off bears with 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.320 a stick, well, beating them off with rocks and slingshots 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.639 black bears. But it sounds like nothing got so aggressive 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.800 that they actually like charred nothing aggressive or pop their 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:45.160 teeth at nothing aggressive, just being like, uh, you fellas 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:49.920 are cleaning fish. That's very interesting to me, I don't 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.240 care that you're standing there. I think I'll come and 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:59.600 have some like a like a dog, like a stray dog. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.480 You know that someone fed even though we didn't feed 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.919 him all the time, all times a day. It was 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.560 funny too. It's really hot. Like we've got our place 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.600 for fourteen fifteen years, and we've always had enough water 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.600 in the creek to fill our pen stock. You know, 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.680 like we divert water a couple d feet above our shack. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.400 We divert water out of a creek into a tank, 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.000 right and then we run a holes off that. It 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:33.840 gives you water pressure in fourteen years. Um, never a problem. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:38.240 That creek is too dry right now to uh, too 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:39.960 dry right now to pull water. While was I talking 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:44.120 about that, Oh so damn hot and dry, and uh 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.040 it was funny because like when you're bear hunting in 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.560 the spring and you get like eighty degree day it's 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.480 just blazing sun. You feel like not gonna happen, like moso, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.800 take a nap. They're only gonna pop out like at 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:04.440 they're just out black hide, black hair. I wander around 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.480 in that heat and the seat waves coming off their 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:11.400 back man in the sun out feeding on beach ry 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:19.040 or walking around, you know, checking out the generator shed, 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:23.680 sniffing around, just around like stray dogs. Yeah, and it 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:28.120 would make me nervous because I know that they're you know, adults, 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.960 I don't care, but having my two little kids too, 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.719 my little kids up there, and my little kids are 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.599 always digging around the creek and they're not looking at 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.400 what they're doing. They're just looking for sculpions and these 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.160 little eels. And bear takes a body out of Ron Bay. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.560 It's kind of like, yeah, whatever, he's good to know him. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.720 You know, he had a good run. But a young 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.719 child like that, it was maybe nervous because it's like 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.600 not being able to anticipate what they're gonna how they 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.839 might perceive a child, you know, what they think of 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.280 when they see a child. Well, it's funny too, is 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:02.640 watching the deer with little fawns. You know, spawns still 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.320 got some spots on them, feeding twenty thirty yards from 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.120 those bears. It's like those bears out there, I think 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:13.120 they have so much food normally that they're not like 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.960 normal bears. They're not as opportunistic as normal bears. It's 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.080 like Rocky Mountain bears and so much food in the 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.960 form of all the muscles and just everything that lives 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.840 at the edge of the marine fish, shellfish and beach 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.400 ry It's like you watch them just walking down the beach. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.120 They just flip over rocks and pick up all the 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.000 crabs that come out, and then they got lush expanses 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.200 of beach rye that's always there, it never dries up. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.359 And then they got the salmon runs. So it's like 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.040 a bear. I think he sees something that a normal 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:48.160 bear would be all over, and uh, they don't do it. 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.920 And right now is when the salmon runs start. So 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.680 I think a lot of those bears are down. You know, 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.440 we have a run in our creek right silvers and panks, 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.720 well the creek next to us, and I think now 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.680 they're down waiting for it to happen. That hasn't happened yet, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.279 but they're lurking around the area and you start cleaning 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.760 fish and there used to be in all um you've 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.520 seen them up there fighting for the premier spots. Oh, 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.120 it's some of the wildest ship I've ever seen. Um. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.680 I'm trying to think darker. Was it dark the first 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.719 time we were there? And that was all that commotion. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.359 We started shining lights and realized there was like four bears. 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:27.960 This creek is you know, it would take you three 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.000 strides and you're across it, you know, but there's one 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.320 major pool that holds all these pinks. Before they get 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.880 into the lake, they're backed up by a beaver dam. Yeah, 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.160 and uh yeah, we could hear the splash in and 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.080 we kind of shining a light down there. I don't 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.799 know why we were filming or something. O're there after dark, 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.320 and uh, you could see a bear. And then finally 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.320 we got closer and looked and will sure another is 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.479 like one bear in the water and three bears on 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.560 the bank kind of like waiting their turn to you know, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.560 get in and get their own sand to get them 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.800 out from the hole. In another place, there's a there's 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.280 another creek we fished sam and at and they get 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:05.520 competitive over the shallow So you have like the estuary 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.640 which floods in the ebb of the tides, but there's 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.560 this one shallow gravel like kind of your first riffle, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.520 and so it's all those fresh fish and it's the 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.200 first place, the first obstacle where they got to come 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.320 out and have their back out of the water and 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.280 scurry into the next hole and they sit there and 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.720 fight and take turns and have skirmishes over who gets 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.560 to stand in that riffle. But yeah, they don't, do 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.400 you know. I don't know. I don't I don't know 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.720 if they never have growled, snapped or teeth. But we 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.560 saw that one clack in his teeth one time and 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:44.400 there at us. I was with you, well, dirt or 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.280 someone was in there. Oh he was there in there 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:52.840 by himself. Yeah, it was clacking his teeth at him. Whatnot. Um, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.440 So that's your main question you'd have for me. My 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.960 next question, We're gonna have to pause for a second. 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.400 I didn't want to ask it. And many of times 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.960 you talked about where it is, but I'll tell you 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.800 in greater details. Okay, we're back on good. So where 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.640 is a fish camp. It's on Prince of Wales Island, 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:17.400 which is a big gass island. Yeah it's Um, I 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:22.080 never like totally fact checked this, but it's half the size. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.960 I think it's half the size of the big island 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.000 in Hawaii. So it's half the square miles of Hawaii 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:35.920 but has twice the shoreline. Wow, it's a mess. Like 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.439 a lot of the places you can't tell if you're 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.520 on the main island around a little island, you know 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.679 what I mean. Just lots of little pipas and fjords 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.760 and inlets and little islands and yeah, and so you 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:50.080 said you had pinks and silver's right by your place. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.560 So all the creeks around us like in ours sort 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.120 of our zone, which is basically what you can hit 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:59.480 in the skiff without killing yourself, is like one too. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.120 I don't know seven eight creeks, and they all have 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:09.640 some variation on Pink's chums silvers. And then there's one 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.559 that has steel head in the spring. We've never messed 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.040 with them. No king runs there though, you get there's 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.920 kings in the area all the time, resident kings, but 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.240 they're not running our rivers, okay. And then we could 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.840 get after hell of it pretty hard, and a host 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.560 of other not quite incidentals, but things that will target. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:35.400 Can you still fish crab down? There is everything dungeons yeah, yeah, 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.000 dungeoness is good. And shrimping is very good. We shrimp 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.680 a lot. We always have shrimp pots out. The crab 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.560 fish is so good that Steve would be like, oh, 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.480 I think we've had enough. I'm like, bro, you must 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.520 have eaten too many crabs in your day, because I say, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.480 load up, let's keep going. Yeah, take up a lot 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.599 of space. Though. The thing with like flying home with crabs, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.559 Like you feel a fish box full of crab and 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.440 it's just like, yeah, it's like either fly home the knuckles, 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:04.760 which we'll do, or um, you pick it right. So 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.600 this time we had someone who I didn't even go 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.360 on there. I didn't I didn't go on the crab run, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:10.840 but they went on a crab run and got some 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.439 crab and picked at all. So I brought home a 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.320 couple of little back bags full of pick crab and 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:23.880 then octopus and c cucumber. We'll die for that. We 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.079 just we dove. Oh you know what's crazy? This last 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.280 thing I want to say about this, then we'll talk 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.320 about what we're gonna talk about this is this is 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.400 the kind of the trippiest I've ever seen it. Really, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:37.640 my kids got PTSD from it. So we're out. My 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.680 buddy dam Bulgan is driving our skill and I got 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.120 my two little kids in there damn again. His wife's 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:49.800 in there, Luisa, and me and my brother Matt are 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.080 out and it was a negative low tide, so like 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.360 the negative one low tide. And we were going out 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:59.800 to pick c cucumbers and look for rock scallops. And 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.880 there's this little islet, like this little teeny island out 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.240 in this big this big like that. There's this this 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.079 the mouth of a large arm that comes off this 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.360 very large bay, and there's a little islet out in 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.720 the middle of this thing, kind of isolated, and look 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.800 for the scallops. You want to try to find places 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.280 that are pretty our wave batter and there's a lot 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.080 of movement of the water there. So we pull up 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:29.400 and jump out there and start nosing around looking for 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:35.400 cucumbers and scallops. And Austin I hear screaming from the 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.400 boat and he's two knows three killer whales my kids 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.160 call him or because that's like the PC thing to 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:46.840 call it killer whales. Three killer whales are on my 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:51.920 brother checking them out like thinking he's a seal. Oh, 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.560 he's in the water, in the water in a wet suit. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.440 And they passed in front of the boat and came 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.680 up and turned away at when they are eight feet 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.800 away from his fins. He never knew they were there. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.520 I could hear people screaming from the boat and I 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.680 look up and it's just dorsal fins. I can see 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.480 Matt snarkle in his back and behind him is just 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:18.160 dorsal fins scared the ship. I mean, my daughter's crying. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:22.400 I want to go back to the cabin. And even 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.280 when we were flying, you know, even when we flew 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.920 out of there, um, you know, you get it on 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.920 a floatplane. Even when we flew out of there, she 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:33.000 was still looking down asking if those whales are down, 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.480 they're gonna bother us. Even over up the plane. Man, 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:42.720 it was just and that never saw no, it wasn't 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.320 aware of there. He was just like, you know, the 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.640 visibility is not great. You can it's like wavy look 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.320 in the art direction and they just tuned in on 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:56.000 the noise of us in the water. But just you know, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:57.920 check him out, checking out, see if he's a seal 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.880 or whatever. Dude, I feel the sealing didn't didn't you know? 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.920 I feel for your kids because we're just in those 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.120 two skiffs. Was it two years ago in the fall, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.720 we're rolling out going deer hunting, and we see him 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.560 off in the distance, so we just you know, cut 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.040 the engines and roll up on them, and they happened 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.680 to be just kind of coming towards us, and I 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.040 mean they cut our bow by ten to you know, 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.959 the closest one there was probably five or six being 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.320 that close to those animals and just knowing the things 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.960 that are packing into my head growing up about you know, 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.320 in air quotes, the killer whale, Like it got my 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.920 heart racing for sure, Like that's a giant, giant thing 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.040 that you know, everyone has seen some sort of clip 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.000 or video of it mess with people, right. I thought 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.320 about not getting back in the water, but then I 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.200 was like that was like, is that the kind of 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.520 person I really want to be? And so I forced myself. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.720 We stayed together because we had hit this rock and 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.560 we each we're gonna go one way and meat on 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.040 the other side of this island, and we decided to 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.679 do it a side by side, whatever protection that gives you. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.440 But thought about not getting the water and I'm like, 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.720 I'm not really gonna live my life this way, and 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.640 then got back in there and just was not enjoying myself. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:14.640 That's not enjoying myself. Oh yeah, but we picked it. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.880 We picked a big pile of cues clean them all up. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.440 Then how do you cook those c cucumbers? You cut 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.000 the ends off. You know what they look like, right, yea, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:29.320 you cut the ends off. Then you take a knife 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.080 and open it, so you're like s batally cutting the 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.120 ends off making a cylinder, right, And then you're opening 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.760 the cylinder up and you flatten it out, and then 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.400 take a party knife, and there's five big clams. Get 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.880 all the guts out first, Yeah, there's watery guts, or 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.600 they'll expel their gut too. When they're nerves. They can 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:50.160 expel their gut and regenerate. But so you open them 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.480 up and take a party knife and grab it with 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.040 a pair of fish cleaning players like catfish skinning players, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:01.160 and take that party knife and just scrape those five 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.480 big clam strips off in a swipe. Then just cook 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.600 him up like clams or what's better than clam? Really 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:15.800 arguably better than clam strips. And one cucumber yields one 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.880 c cucumber yields more meat than anything this side of 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:27.000 a gooey duck. And you could there's no limit on him. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.120 There's no close season, no limit on no one's out there. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.440 There's commercial guys that do it for the export markets. 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.920 But it's not like Joe Blow. American is not out 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.520 picking sea cucumbers. And all the time I lived in Alaska, 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.120 I never sat down to a scumber cucumber telling you 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.200 what they eat. When you're gonna start everyone that everyone 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.000 is like, once you see what's inside, was like no 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.200 ship and then people would get real interested in them. 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.720 But we were up there for years before it occurred 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:56.320 to us. I'm at an emergency room doctor from California 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.360 who's got a shock. It might as well be a 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.200 million miles away from my place because he can't don't 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.720 get there in a skiff, but he's got a shack 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.360 not far from our shack, and he goes out there 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:09.640 in his primary purpose when he's up there is diving abaloney. 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.760 Depends on who he's with. Only a resident can pick Abaloni's. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.480 But he got bodies up there's Abalonei's scalped cucumbers. You 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.480 can die for crab. That's what he does. He has 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.160 it for that purpose, and I was like, really eat those, 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:25.880 and then we went out and started getting them. A 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.720 nomin true believer. You just gotta get over the way 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:33.920 that it looks, you know, I could do that. It's 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.840 like octopus, I'll cook you some up man, now that 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.080 we're neighbors or now that we live in the same town. Yeah, 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.880 starting in one week, I'll pick you something. Oh who 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.880 I'm talking to is uh Kurt Roscoe, who's been on 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.920 the show before long ago. Thanks for having me. Devoted 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.400 listeners will know because we did um what do we 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.040 call that episode the Impossible Hunt? I think so, yeah 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.440 about Kurt's exploits keep break down just throughing and people 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:06.400 can break down the unlimited the unlimited sheep hunts. Um. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.520 I know. We had a lot more facts and figures 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.840 and when we talked about it. Yeah, it's like basically 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.080 how it goes. Basically, go out of your one around 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:17.720 and don't get to see anything. Yeah, anybody can be 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.879 a sheep. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah. There are 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.800 several districts and in the state of Montana and uh 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.639 they're all in the same general area, and they have 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:31.720 a limit in each unit, but unlimited people can put 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.320 in for those tags and can buy those tags. So 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.680 you know, it's one of the few places where anybody 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.520 from anywhere can just buy a sheep tag and go 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.760 sheep hunting. As a matter of fact, I'm not aware 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.760 of another place that you can do that. Um. So 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.879 you know, nonresident, nonresident alien doesn't matter. And so what 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.960 they do is they typically open it up on September 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.800 and it will be open till the end of rifle season, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.359 which is typically you know, the third week and November, 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:05.399 and it's open for any weapon, rifle or archery. And 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.000 once the limit is once the quota I should say 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:14.040 is met in each unit, then it closes. So most 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.720 of the units hovering around between two and three sheep. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:18.440 I think most of them are at two this year. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.880 And you know it's as simple as that. That just 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.919 gives an opportunity to anybody wants to go. And sometimes 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.000 the quote never gets met. Yeah, yeah, so you know 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.320 historically we had a little bit more of these facts before, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.639 but about half of the units don't close on a 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.240 given year. Um. And you know, but there's also a 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.879 buffer on each side. So once the quotas met, it 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.520 will close in uh usually forty eight hours, and so 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.080 sometimes in a unit, one extra ram will be taken 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:54.199 during that. But you know, generally speaking, it's you know, 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.679 from those units you're looking price six eight cheap in 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.360 a year total. I gotta follow ups. I don't think 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.320 we hit this last time we chatted with you. But 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.400 any idea how many are killed with archery equipment? Not 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.720 very many? Um do you even know anybody that's that? 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:17.679 I do? I do. UM. I know of I know 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.000 second hand of a guy who shot one just a 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.320 couple of years ago, um, out of out of one 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.480 of the units. Uh, it wasn't the bear Tooth units. Um. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.639 And then um there is I I do know of 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.880 one other guy that shot one UM in the Barretooth's unit. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.560 That's the only one that I know of personally that 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.120 was shot in the bar Tooth. But that was back 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:45.840 in the late sixties. And um, yeah, it was quite 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.119 a feat, quite a feat. You have you ever been 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.639 tempted to try with bo No? No, not at all. No, 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.000 I I don't know. There there's you know, there's so 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.600 many challenges when you go into something like that. I 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.320 just don't feel that it need that extra level at 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:05.440 this point. I'm with you. Yeah, yeah, and you've done 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.880 it successfully once once. Yeah, and you're going seven years ago, right, 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.000 seven years ago? Yeah, well technically eight, I guess, but yeah, 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.439 there's a seven year weight so you did it successfully 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.000 seven years ago and you had to wait that long, 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:19.800 and now you can try again. And you're going for 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.040 fifteen days by yourself this year. Yeah, yeah, fourteen or 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:27.920 fifteen days, Yeah, somewhere around there. Yeah, I guess here's 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.360 a segue. So we're gonna talk about how to look, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.840 how to pack in a in a like, Yeah, basically, 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.640 how to pack, how to pack and approach deep kind 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:39.159 of wilderness hunting situations. Um. And you're going for that 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.159 many days, fourteen or fifteen days, and you won't you 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.760 won't go back to your truck at all. No, No, 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:50.480 I'm not planning on it. Um. Yeah, No, I mean 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:52.439 that's that's what I'm packing to do. That's what I 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.399 did last time. How many pounds will you have? I 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.000 don't know what the total will be? Um, I was yeah, 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.840 I was just I'm starting to get all my stuff 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.240 together right now. And so you know, my my pack 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.480 weights right about twenty six pounds before food. So you 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:12.720 know that that's that's all of your standard gear, your 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:18.760 camp gear, glass tripod doesn't include a rifle. Um. And 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.240 then you know, I'm I'm hovering between one point two 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.840 and one point four pounds of food today. So you know, 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:30.240 I'm gonna be north of twenty pounds on food and um, 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.360 so you know for that amount of time you're going 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.280 to Yeah, you're gonna be in that fifty pound range, 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:40.600 which I would be happy with that many days. Yeah, 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.800 that sounds extremely light, extremely light. Yeah, like you're fore 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:51.359 going a lot of loot. Well, yeah, you know, maybe 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.080 some of you. I mean you're not taking a pillow, 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.280 and you're not taking camp shoes, you're not taking some 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.240 of the creature comforts that maybe you're are nice to 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.320 have with you know, when you're within a day of 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.680 the truck or you know what el cunting is a 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:04.359 little bit different because you know you're going to be 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.640 making more than one trip out. So you know when 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.359 I'm well, I don't understand how's that like, what's what's 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:12.600 they have to do with how much you want to 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.879 carry in? Well, if you if you already know, you 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:17.640 know with an ELK that I'm going to have multiple 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.800 trips out taking a little bit of extra gear and 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.280 you know on each if you have three trips out, 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.399 then you want to take an extra five pounds on 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.359 each one to go in a little bit heavier. Is 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.040 all right, Oh, I get what you're saying. But when 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:31.840 you're coming out and you're trying to come out in 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:36.560 one load with a sheet by yourself, by yourself, yeah, 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:41.560 there's some limitations because there you're adding pounds. Yeah, yeah, 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:45.320 you know it's uh, um, it doesn't end up quite 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:47.840 being that, but it is. It is pretty heavy in 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.160 Montana because the eggs you have to take you can't 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.520 keep out the head. You can't cap the skull. You 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:55.800 have to take you know, the whole head and cape 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.400 and take the head of cape out on the head. Yeah, 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.800 you knowing. And it's said it dictates exactly where you 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:07.080 can sever the skull from the spine. Yeah. Yeah, I 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:08.879 would have to look at that again, but it it 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.840 it says, you know, well the last time it did, 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:15.280 Yeah did yet you know you can take it right 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.480 behind the head, right at the right at the base 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.959 of the spine and um, yeah, but everything else has 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:27.120 stay intact. Interesting, you mentioned camp shoes. Yeah. Um, my 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.840 brother when he's hunting doll sheet in Alaska, he likes 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.960 to bring uh he's al He's always messed around with 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:38.360 different footwear things. Where for while he's doing plastic boots, 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:40.440 was he off that because last time we hunted with 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.280 and he was that was his first year in plastics. Well, 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:47.399 I think he's not running plastics now. He liked plastics 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.680 because he could cross creeks and take the ends to 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.600 take the piece out. The man squeaky sounds of bitches. 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.959 I hunted with him in those plastic things. Yeah, they 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.920 can be. He likes like plastic boots. You can understand. 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.479 Man is like a you know, to the listener, like 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:06.200 some areas, hunting dolls sheep is just it's just rock. 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.240 It's just rock. There's not any there's no trail, there's 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:14.120 no trail at all. Everything's off trail. You know, everything's 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:18.480 off trail. Everything's rock. There's no sort of like sweet 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.919 kind of walking places. So it's not that much of 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.840 a detriment to run plastic boots. But he is big 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:29.240 on having his boots and a pair of sneakers. Yeah, 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:31.280 and then I got me a pair of those down booties, 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.720 those down camp booties. Oh my god, it those nice 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:38.320 to have. But like this year, hunting doll sheep and 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:42.560 not even a month, two weeks, two weeks by the 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.480 time he listened to this, will probably be in the field. 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:48.280 I won't. I won't be bringing my down my special 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.520 down booties. So did they have souls on the bottom 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.080 so you can get out and walk around? No, you 0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:54.760 can't really get out and walk around. They got Yeah, 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:57.560 they got a soul on the bottom. But man, we're 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:01.520 going to the latrine that night. It's so nice. They'll 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:03.960 take them damn boots off. It is, but you'll just 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.560 be running boots. No extra footwear. No, huh no, I don't. 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.159 But I use plastic boots too, so you know you 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:13.320 have the inn So you wear plastics. Hunting down here 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:18.760 a lot? Yeah, who's plastic boots? I wear Scarpas. Yeah, 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.440 I wear the Scarpo Omega's they quit making them, which 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.400 was a total bummer, but I wrapped hold a couple 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:29.080 of pairs and but they're They're one of those things 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.040 that I've I've suggested them to several friends that have 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.080 gone on cheap hunts, and you know, it's it's it's 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:37.600 a fifty fifty whether or not they fix. You're not 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:39.080 going to break them in. You know. It's not like 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:40.560 a leather boot where you just wear it more than 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:45.920 it's gonna fit. And especially the Scarpo Omega's that they're 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:50.280 a real dense liner, so there isn't much to move around, 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.639 you know, to to form to your foot, so they 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:56.159 don't look like, yeah they are, they are, but you 0:25:56.200 --> 0:26:00.600 know they're real light. They never get wet, um, I 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.440 don't get blisters in them. There's still the most comfortable 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:06.760 boots that I have, so I wear them a lot. 0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:09.120 When you do finally hit the trail though, and you've 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.960 got like just five miles of trail to rip, don't 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:16.720 it almost I know, yeah, it feels so awkward because 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.160 you're kind of like, you know, because you don't bring 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:24.119 crampons down here to you um typically no, uh, you know, 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:27.439 it kind of depends on on some of the you know, 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.560 some of the area, or it depends on if there's 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:33.280 snow or ice on the ground. But you know, some 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.200 of the some of the smaller crampons I have. I 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.160 have a pair of crampons that I have cut down 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.200 there are only three quarter inches tall, you know, kind 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:44.159 of like the I'm not going to broounce it, right, 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:48.480 but cattla kinda there you go. You know, they make 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:53.120 the slip on base type. Those are really nice when 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.360 it's slick and you know, more from a state safety 0:26:56.359 --> 0:27:02.320 standpoint than anything. But you don't depend you know there 0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.199 there's still you know, especially on a sheep hunt, you know, 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.639 something down and in the bar Tooth there's there's a 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.960 lot of steep, nasty country in there, and it's it's 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.360 nice to have a little bit more foot protection. Yeah. Man, 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.200 every year. I remember a couple of years a gonna 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.920 last you guys died falling mountain go hunt. Yeah, there's 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.480 just not that many guys mountain go hunt. No, No, 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.240 you know, especially in those places that have big exposure. 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.719 It's not necessarily that you're climbing vertical ice or that 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:30.600 you you know, you really need them. You're just trying 0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.040 to protect yourself from slipping and and there's a lot 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.520 of times, especially in September, you can get yourself into 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.040 a place when it's dry and all of a sudden 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.240 there's a skiff of snow and it can be flat 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:43.919 treacherous trying to get out. So um yeah, just kind 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:45.639 of depends on the area. But sometimes I'll carry them 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.520 down here. So when you're when you're running those and 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.080 at nighttime, when you're just kicking around camp, do you 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:55.359 just walk around the liners? Um? Yeah, if it's dry, 0:27:55.400 --> 0:28:00.080 I will yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you said you 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.960 never get wet. We're all these plastic boots for a while. 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.000 But one last question on it. You said you never 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:08.800 get wet, but do you sweat enough in them sometimes 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:10.960 that you get them wet from the inside out? Yeah? Yeah, 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.880 I should clarify that. Yeah, the the inside and then 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:18.199 I just keep rotating through socks. But the liners, particularly 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.480 on these, are dense enough. I used to use the 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.560 co Flak too, and they're super comfortable and they had 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.639 a real squishy nice but they would they the inner 0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:31.159 boot would absorb a little bit more moisture. Scarpa bought 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.879 co Flak and now they're putting those high density type 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:38.200 liners in there, and those don't absorb as much water. 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.400 They'll they'll still get moist but you can open them 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:44.080 up and and they'll they'll dry out pretty quick. But yeah, 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.960 you have to rotate through your socks. But as far 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:50.320 as the boot itself, I've just had some issues with 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.800 with you know, certain types of leather boots that over 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:54.320 the course of a hunt, they get wet and you 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.600 can't ever get them dry again, and then it gets 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.720 cold and now they're frozen. They can't get your foot 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.600 in there, and you know that it just can't. Can 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.520 create some issues that way. Yeah, yeah, like wake up 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:06.440 and put your boot inside your sleeping bed to get 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.640 the thought out enough to put it on exactly. That's all. 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:10.640 It was fun. Yeah yeah, and then the feet are 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.040 gonna be real warm. Yeah yeah. It's a hell of 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:14.440 a way to start the morning. You don't wear those 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.880 plastic boots out squirrel hunting you, so you save it 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:21.160 for like I do save extreme. I don't want to 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.840 wear them out, only have to bear. I can't decide, uh, 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.440 I can't decide hunting sheet this year. I'm kind of 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:31.000 thinking about this running those uh running my timberline boots, ma'am. 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.480 You don't think it's origin. I think it's a bad idea. Yeah, 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:36.640 because I wore those when I went into the bear 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.560 Tooths a couple of weeks ago, and it didn't take long. 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:41.920 I mean again, on the trail, I was loving it. Oh, 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.680 that's They're the greatest thing in the world. Like the 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.640 older I think it's the perfect shoe man. Because we 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.400 decided to hop a pass and get into another drainage, 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.480 and as soon as we got off the trail, I 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:56.440 was not. They just don't have the lateral support, you know. Yeah, 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.000 it's more it's a it's like a great trail boot, 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.560 but it's so foble. I was actually kicking around doing it. 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.040 But I'm probably just gonna go with you know, go 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:10.800 grants to have that extra ump, but no nighttime not 0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:16.400 bringing a nighttime comfy shoe. Well here's the deal though, 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:20.800 with our hunt. We're flying into what the outfit calls 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:24.880 his base camp, right that has definitely has he has 0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:27.280 a weather port there. What you probably know what that is. 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.560 I didn't really know what it is, but weatherport when 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:31.680 we look at a picture of it, and tell me 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.760 if I just describe it wrong, Kurt, But it's like 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:39.240 a you know sometimes Yeah, I was going to describe 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.280 it as like when someone doesn't have enough money to 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.680 actually put up a garage. The shape it's the shape 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.800 of the shape of a clanet you're talking about. They 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:49.720 put up those like car forards, you know that you 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.040 can drive into. It's like a ten it's the last 0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.520 five years or so. It kind of looks like that, right. 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.280 So where yeah, so where we're flying. Yeah, where you're 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.760 flying into you can bring and stuff like that. You know. 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.120 It's like when you're flying in, whether you have that 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:10.040 or not, you can um whether you have that or not, 0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:14.080 you can bring in extra food, all kinds of stuff, 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:18.000 unless unless I have a couple of those extras there, 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.600 you know, because then we're gonna spike out for two 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.360 to three nights at a time, and so when I 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.280 come back, you know, I'll have that nice like you 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.200 call it creature comfort. That's a good plan. Yeah, Like, 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.880 but even when you have a pilot limits you. If 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:35.640 you have a pilot limits you to fifty pounds on 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.000 a flight, then it's pretty tight. But other times when 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.280 I've flown in with my brother Hunt Sheep, we flew 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:46.840 in extra emergency food and then like umfy shoes and 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:48.600 even some other nice stuff that you would like a 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:51.160 puffy jacket that you're never going to carry with you, 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:52.760 but you can just hang in a tree in a 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.760 dry bag. You know, you got to come back. So 0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:57.520 what I'm talking more about is when you just like 0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.640 strike off from the airstrip, and this case, we have 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.360 an outfit or friend who's letting us use like a 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:11.200 posh base camp that will then strike off from like 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:12.640 you're saying, for like a few days at a time. 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:17.360 So I'm talking about like leaving there. So you ask 0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:20.760 me if I'm taking my crocks with me evening time, 0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:26.080 comfy shoes, I won't. Um, Now, Kurt, how many pairs 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:30.280 of socks do you bring? Fourteen days? Fourteen days? So 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:36.080 my program is um your sock program, my sock program. Yeah, 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:44.000 so I I typically wear two pairs of of some 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.920 sort of hiking sock a little bit taller, and then 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.080 two pairs of once, two pairs of once. It just 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.920 it keeps the blisters down. If you haven't that many 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.280 problems with blisters, maybe should change boots. That's a good fun, 0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:01.360 those blister inducing boots. He was just saying that they 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.960 don't give him a blisters. Yeah, so maybe it's my 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.080 socks that don't give me blisters. But not like a 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:09.880 liner and a hiking sock you actually double up on 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.600 like Marino blend socks. Yeah. Well, yeah, I should clarify 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.680 because I used to do the liner thing to eliminate blisters. 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.800 Silk liners, but it gives your foot like an unstable. 0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.080 You don't talk about for while they made those, like 0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.560 so we would run like a silk liner and then 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:26.920 you put a Marino blend thing over it, but every 0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.280 you can't get a blister with them. But every time 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:33.600 you step, you feel your foot shift in a very 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.840 annoying way that leads your foot to get not blistered, 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.880 but sore because it's sliding around in there. It just 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.400 because it doesn't it doesn't grip. So it's like it 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.960 feels like it feels a little bit like every step 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.960 you feel your foot moving away. It doesn't normally move, 0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.240 which I hate that feeling. So I gave up on liners. 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.920 You can eliminate blisters though, yeah, yeah, for sure. So 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.560 so I should clarify on this. They're they're basic, you know, 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:03.000 just above boot top height. Um. But it's it's a 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:07.680 lighter pair of a Merino based the type hiking sock 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:13.799 thinner and then a more cushioned um fuller hiking sock 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.359 on the on the outside, and and so and then 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.919 I'll just bring one extra pair of the thick pair, 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.920 rotate those in and out every day, but depending on 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.040 how long I go, you know, three pairs of the 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.240 of the lighter ones and they don't take up hardly 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.879 any room, but you can cycle them through their thin 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:34.760 enough that you know, if you get to a stream, 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:36.920 you can you can wash out one pair and just 0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.480 keep rotating through so you don't get foot funking. And 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:42.319 I think the biggest thing that I found is on 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:46.120 those long hunts when that that inner pair of socks 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.239 that you have, they get so matted and they get 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:51.680 to the point where they get hard, but you can 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.920 by washington. That's it. So just just having enough pair 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:57.959 so I could cycle through them that way, Yeah, because 0:34:57.960 --> 0:34:59.359 like wash them in the creek and then you just 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.359 hang them off your hack for the day and they 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.879 kind of refluff they do, and I just wash them 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.319 with like shampoo whatever happened to have with me. Yeah, 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.560 because I'll bring a little bit of shampoo. That's another question. 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.600 So I'll bring a little bit shampoo because my head starts. 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:14.680 It's the damn bad drive me creepy, that's do you 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.320 ever bring kind of soap now? But I bring wet wipes, 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:21.919 a little wet wipes. Um, you know that Dr bond 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:26.600 or soap, Like the teeniest container of that stuff is 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.920 worth it's worth quite a bit. But it really does. Man, 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.040 I feel like the face of that pepformant soap. Dude, 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.200 you're loving man. Yeah, And it kind of it gives 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.680 you a second wind, and I would imagine I've never 0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:37.560 done a fourteen day hunt, you know. I think the 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.560 fongest I've made has been maybe seven or eight nights, 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:44.399 like actually living out of my backpack. But um, yeah, 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:46.359 like four or five days in when you're just really 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.120 getting that kind of greasy, grimy feel going and if 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:51.120 you're at that right creek in the sunshine to be 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.879 able to dr bees your head and your face. Man, 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.399 you're a new man, you know. Yeah that does sound nice. 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.239 One pair of pants, one pair of pants, Yeah, but 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.080 it's it's all in a layering system. So you know 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:09.399 usually uh you know, Marino bass layer and then um, 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:14.440 a down insulation layer that's typically packed away for your 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:16.799 leg down pants. Yeah. I started on the lower body 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:22.160 and then but bahoma backup because let's say you're hunting, Uh, 0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:24.320 do you run that when you're hunting sheep in August 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.960 and Alaska? Or do you just trust it's not gonna 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.719 get that cold? No. I I always carried a part. 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.680 At that time, I was using the Patagonia synthetic micropuff. 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:36.279 They were some of the only ones that were more 0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.560 for the August hunt because I feel like you can 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:43.480 stay totally warm with a marino base. Then I wear 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.160 like a wool blend like the first like cannab pant, 0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:50.880 like a wool blend pant. Then a rain pant because 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:54.239 it's gonna be pretty damn cold to get cold with that. 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.680 You're absolutely right. So there's a couple of things that 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.120 The first thing for me is that I had a 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.600 couple of instances where you get a lot of got 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.600 a lot of wind, a lot of rain, and and 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.719 it just gets damn cold sitting in one spot, you know, 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:11.160 and you're get in spots where you have to glass, 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:13.120 you have to spend you know, multiple hours being in 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:14.560 one spot, or you get pinned down and you have 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.800 to wait him out. Even if it's sixty five degrees, 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.600 it's wet, it's cold. It's just like jumping in the ocean. 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:21.920 If it's sixty five degrees, you're gonna die from hypothermia. 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.439 But yeah, yeah, so that's why I started carrying them. 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.920 And then and then secondly that then I know what 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:29.759 kind of segue into this. But it can also be 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.960 part of your sleep system. So you can shave some 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.960 weight by taking the lighter bag. Then you always have 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:36.880 that you know, when you have your puff layers up 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.359 and down, you know, I don't use a thirty two 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:43.719 degree bag. Yeah that's a good point, so you know 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.879 you could kind of get multiple use out of gear. Yeah, 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.319 that's a good point. I want to touch on that 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:53.440 sleeping with puffies inside of a bag, but we can 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.239 touch we can come back to that when we're talking 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:57.680 about sleeping bags. We don't get too off drag. So 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:00.640 do you run rain pants? Yeah? Yeah, the big believer 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:04.080 in rain pants. Yeah, yeah, that's that's I think that's 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.200 one of the key pieces of gear. And I think 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:10.520 they should calm wind and rain pants because yeah, let's 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:12.960 because a lot of times we put it on them 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:15.480 on just to beat the wind off of ye exactly 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.640 anytime it gets cold, you know, just keeping because so 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.160 many of the layers are permeable, you know, so that 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.680 they breathe that that that wind, you know, that air 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.760 transfer just pulls the heat you know, from your inner layers. 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.480 So it's nice to keep that barrier. I think too, 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.240 that you wind up packing when it comes to close. 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.799 You're more packing for the trip you just had than 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.439 the trip you're going on. Like you're really informed by 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.720 your last set of experiences. So if you go somewhere 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:49.839 and it's pretty warm and gravy, right, and then you 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:53.960 you're loading up for your next outing, you wind up 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:56.600 being like, oh, yeah, I'm cutting this out. I'm cutting 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.720 that out. If you're coming somewhere from just being wet 0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:02.520 and cold, you think differently, like coming off if you 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:04.960 were going to come off a fog nack right and 0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.920 go pack for a trip, no matter where it was, 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:12.200 you would approach it differently. After that. Definitely, you're like 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:16.600 driving rain and it gets in your head, you know, 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.080 the whole world like that. Yeah, it just gets in 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:20.920 your head and it's hard to like snap out of it. 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.600 You know. If you come somewhere and everything's like you know, 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:25.480 you go and you pack a pair of rain pants 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.480 and you go a week and never pull them out. 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:30.920 Lady Like, yeah, screw these rain pants, man. You know 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:33.080 you gotta So it's like you gotta like keep the 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:39.080 you gotta keep in mind, learn from what happened, but 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.560 not like really live it in a in a in 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.120 a big way, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, for sure, 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.799 where you're not you're not like trying to replicate, you're 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:51.319 not trying to do what you should have done when 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:55.799 you had a shitty trip. Yeah, you know, but that's 0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.160 that's where a lot of the you know, the gear 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.480 hacks come from. You know, there's nothing like a real piss, poor, 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.520 miserable situation to make you change how you look at 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:07.319 what you have in your pack. You know, when when 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:10.319 you're cold for an extended period of time and you 0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:12.120 have all that time to sit there and think about 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:13.759 the mistake you make because you didn't bring the right 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.320 piece of gear that tends to stick with you. Yeah, 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:19.200 I feel like those are the only times it's like 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.920 sunny and seventy per week, you're not thinking about what 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:25.880 you're sitting in your tents. There's the things I always 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.279 like a layout and look at and can't decide would 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:35.400 be down, can't booties, Mitts Mittens, like you spent a 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:37.279 few days with your fingers just froze and that's more 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.879 like a late season thing. But like Mittens, I look 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:43.640 at him, I'm like, really, you're gonna bring Mittens puffy pants. 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.200 We spent a lot of time debating puffy pants. A 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.839 big puffy like a down, full on down jacket, so 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:55.480 nice to have, and we'll debate it, but with but 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.240 with the early So if you're going if you're talking 0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:02.240 like an early season deal, like right now or August September, 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.480 you're still saying you have Long John's. Do you guys 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.080 say Long John's where you grew up. We'll stay where 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:10.080 you born in here here. Yeah, you guys grew up 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.840 staying Long John's. Yeah, and my grandpa said it, Okay, 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.439 get your Long John's Brian Callahan causing long handles. Yeah, 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:21.520 then you got your pants and you're bringing puffies and 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:27.880 you're bringing rain pants and your pack ways what pounds six? Yeah? 0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:32.799 All right, so let's let's adderstional thoughts. I was gonna say, 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.480 let's go above the above the belt. Okay, but for 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.799 you right now, you're not running. Don't tell me you're 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:42.359 bringing puffies on our little adventure here. Yeah? Really yeah, 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.839 and again because you know we're going we're flying in 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:49.879 but never but forget that. Could that'd be like saying, yeah, 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.560 you can't because think about it like this. Think about 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:55.760 it like this. Think about if you have a place 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.680 you could fly into and you have a base of operations. 0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.200 If we were hunting right here out of town and 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.640 we're going away for two nights and I said you, 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:07.320 are you bringing your puffy pants? You wouldn't say, yeah, 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:15.600 they're in my house. It's the same thing. Okay, you 0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:18.160 follow me, Yeah, I follow you. I'm gonna bring him. 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.960 I'm talking about when you strike out to go spend 0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:26.000 several days, what could leave what could turn into several days, 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:30.560 Not what you're leaving behind in your truck or at 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:34.640 a weather port, or at a cabin or in your boat. 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:40.840 Follow me at the airstrip. It's like striking out. So 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:44.239 you're striking out from your truck. Say you're telling me 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:48.600 that you're gonna bring puffies for what reason when it 0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:52.640 gets cold, Well, I might do. What I might do 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:56.840 is not bringing long handles. Yeah, because what I've like, 0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.600 what I've started to do is because with long John's 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:02.560 always kind of like having to make the decision in 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.359 the morning on what like whether they're gonna be with 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:06.920 you on you for the rest of the day, right 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:08.640 because it's such a pain. And take your pants off, 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:10.359 take your boots off and get it take them off, 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.280 you know we're put them or put them on midday. 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.200 So I almost like being like hunting in my bass layer, 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.879 which is just my pants, and then that way, as 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.600 it progressively gets worse or colder, I can just add 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.799 or take off. But I always know that like, oh ship, 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.279 we're still we're gonna hike for five miles right now, 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:32.839 Like I can just strip down and there are my 0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:35.840 regular pants and I'm ready to go. Yeah. That's a 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.560 good point because when you wake up in the morning, 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.480 you got your long handles on, You're you're like, dude, 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:43.880 I'm not taking these off because I'm so comfortable, and 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.040 then you're like, you know that within three yards you're 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:49.000 gonna be like, really, man, I wish you had taken 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:55.480 them off, right, Yeah, alright, um, and they're they're probably 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:59.440 way you probably know exactly, but I'm guessing they weigh 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:04.840 pretty close to the same amount. Yeah, yeah, because I 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:10.960 mean the heavier wolf stuff, you know, it's it's definitely yeah, 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:12.640 I don't have the exact spects on it, but that 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:18.440 you're right, a lot more warmth. Yeah. Uh. When you 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:22.880 count your pack weight, yeah, you're you're you're not counting 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.400 what you You're you're not counting your main apparel. But 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.879 are you counting the weight of your puffies? Yeah? Yeah, 0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:33.040 my puffies are puffies and in socks, you know, gloves. 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.319 Rain gear doesn't get counted though, yeah, rain gears in there. 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.440 And do you run and then do you like to 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:44.239 run the same basic set up for uppers Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:48.239 it's virtually identical. Marin Bay Marino base than like a 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:53.319 thing puffy yep. This year I'm thinking about going with 0:44:56.280 --> 0:45:00.040 think about switching it up a little bit and I 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:05.880 have an uh, going like a T shirt Marino T 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:13.360 shirt and then like a heavier shirt and just have 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:15.120 that be my like a T shirt in my basic 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.279 because you can get so hot that time of year, 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:21.000 in the middle of the day walking up some never 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:25.640 ending hill. A T shirt can feel pretty good. It's 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.799 the same materials, Like you got like a cotton like, no, 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.759 you're just doubling up Belltown Pizza T shirt on. You 0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:34.000 got like a Marino T shirt. That's what I used 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:38.920 to do. I really like them. Yeah, yeah, gonna be 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.399 careful for that is the middle of the day going 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.319 to a T shirt. Man, you gotta pull out the 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:46.280 sunscreen because you get worked over on some hills or bugs. 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:51.200 Bugs yeah yeah, but bugs aren't usually that bad up 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:53.719 on the wind swept ridges and stuff. You know, that's 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:56.439 better have you got mauled by bugs? Much hunting? Sheep 0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:00.480 doll sheet? Oh yeah, yeah for sure, down in the 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:02.920 bottoms and the willow bottoms that could be pretty, and 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:06.240 a little white socks. I found they were more miserable 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:10.080 than the than the mosquitoes. There night, my we're just 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.680 getting mauled by them at our cabin. And I did 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:17.239 my daughter up and and bugs pray, but didn't get her. 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:22.120 You know when kids are bent over. Her shirt rides up. 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:25.759 Oh yeah, man, it looks like I felt like a 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:31.280 bad dad. Didn't just it's just nothing but bug bites 0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:34.000 on that one strip of skin between her waistline and 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:37.759 her shirt line. I felt pre horrible. She's like, you 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:44.279 didn't box pray there? Yeah, so I stuff like that. 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:47.719 You bring a little sunscreen, No, I've never brought sunscreen. 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:51.359 Do you bring a little bug Yeah? Yeah, I did 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.720 just dent beat so you can have a small container. Yeah, 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.279 and a lot of times in Alaska and if it 0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.520 was on an early hunt, um, I just bring with 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:03.440 those super for lightweight head nets. M you know, I 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:06.640 mean they can't wait but an ounce, and then once 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.200 you have your ball cap on, you don't even need 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.920 the hooped one. Yeah, you just keep them off your face. 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:14.840 I just found those white socks, man. They you know, 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:18.239 they dig and burrow underneath your hat and even when 0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:23.200 you're wearing you know, the bug spray. Just yeah, they're 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.799 ferocious or candy. Do you like a heavy duty rain 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:28.960 jacket or a light duty rain jacket? I'm I'm using 0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:33.719 a three year, A three layer, um you know, waterproof, breathable, 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:37.960 um use, you know, multiple different So yeah, it's probably 0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:41.520 more on the heavy duty side than the lightweight. UM. 0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:46.800 I've used the two layer before too, and it it worked. 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:49.959 The only problem was is that a lot of times 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:51.759 on the top of the shoulders or anywhere where your 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:55.240 pack was writing, it just eventually would start to wet 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.279 and and it was hard to get dry after that. 0:47:58.360 --> 0:47:59.840 But so that was kind of why I went to 0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:02.920 the re layer. Had a little better luck, and there 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:05.760 wasn't hardly any difference in the way A couple of ounces. 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:08.520 What do you do for gloves? Us bring light gloves? 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:10.640 I do? I have a I have a light pair 0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.520 of the Outdoor Research I think they call them the 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:16.000 Peel four hundreds or something, but there are a Marino 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:20.560 synthetic blend and UM so even if your hands get wet, 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:24.080 they will you know, they stay pretty warm and they 0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:25.759 dry out real quick. But then I take the o 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:31.359 R mits, the gore waterproof mits over that. So if 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.759 you do get into the alders or something, you know, 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:40.399 real wet conditions, um, they'll keep your hands dry. And yeah, 0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.640 it's not as convenient you don't have the fingers, but 0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:48.880 I haven't had a lot of luck with with waterproof 0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:54.879 fingered gloves. Just seems no, it's all a lie man. Yeah, 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:57.239 I'm not saying that they're not out there, but I haven't. 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:01.359 You can buy a fish or like what do they 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:04.000 call grabbing gloves, you know, if you really want something 0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:08.680 that's a hunting final Like yeah, final gloves are like waterproof, 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:12.440 but they're just sweaty and swampy. Yeah, and that's a thing. 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.160 That's so let's say you were hunting. Let's say you 0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:18.080 were just hunting like archery, you're hunting September archery. Elk. Yeah, 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:21.279 you wouldn't bring the myths, no, no, no, And I 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:24.000 mean we have. That's the great thing about honey out, 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:26.839 you know, especially in this state, you're gonna have an 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.920 unbelievable you know, forecast. You can check everything you can 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.279 pack for the specific weather that you're going to have 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:35.680 opposed to what you guys are going into or you know, 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:39.040 even what I'm going to do. I you could be 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:41.800 in snow, you could be eighty degrees, you could be 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.480 anywhere in between. You know, August tenth up there. Yeah, 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:47.480 we've wanted We've hunted in August in the snow, which 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:51.040 when you're looking for a white animal really like, yeah, 0:49:51.080 --> 0:49:55.239 it's bad. Or sitting in the tent, yep, sitting the 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:59.359 tent for two days and then it snows and it's 0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:03.319 got that kind of fog. Equality Yeah, I remember in 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:07.760 August hunting sheep and it's snowed, and then it finally 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:12.000 got just beautiful. And looking at tracks on the mountain 0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:15.000 side and just filling the tracks and my spot and 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.600 scope and trying to figure out where the tracks went, 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:19.680 and realized they ended because there's a sheep standing there. 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:22.440 I couldn't see the sheep. I can just see the 0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:26.840 trail ended. Yes, no, man, you're but I'm glad to 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:29.080 have this conversation because you're reminding me of all the 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:33.400 bad things that can happen. Well, you know, that's the 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:37.160 interesting thing, especially up there, is you never know what 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.160 you're gonna be getting into, so you kind of really 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:41.759 have to prepare for everything, whether or not you leave 0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:44.520 it at camp or not. Yea, but with gloves, you 0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:46.279 know that sounds like you don't pack a pair of 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:52.480 gloves actually like really protect your hands. Yeah, yeah, but 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:54.440 that's that's the other thing that I found with the 0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:56.640 mitst though, is that even when your hands get cold, 0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:58.840 you know, when you have all of your fingers together 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:02.600 inside the mit my ends seem to warm up quicker. Yeah, 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:05.200 and then you canet you know, if you can keep 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:07.840 that warmth up that it'll help dry out the gloves 0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:10.160 you have under it, you know, the soft shell are 0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:13.399 So that's kind of been my program that I've stuck with. 0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:17.520 And they're extremely light, you know. That's another added feature 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:24.000 I've gone to. Uh like really not unless it's like 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:26.680 just getting that that cold where like okay, you have 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:28.480 to have gloves on, which a lot of times is 0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.319 getting near freezing, and so you get into usually once 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:32.920 it gets near freezing, you're getting into sort of a 0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:36.480 dryer state, right because you're not looking at rain anymore, 0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:38.759 but possibly snow. I know there's that in between and 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:42.439 probably seed a lot in Alaska, but I've found having 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:45.920 better luck just having my hands out there getting drenched 0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:48.080 and just kind of being like, yes, this is how 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:50.560 it's going to be today and dealing with it, and 0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:51.799 then at the end of the day when I get 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:55.120 in my tent or whatever, being able to put on 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.640 some dry gloves, or when the rain stops, put on 0:51:57.680 --> 0:51:59.320 some dry gloves. When you get out of the willows, 0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:01.279 put on some dry gloves, because it just feels like 0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:04.200 if you get your liners wet, I almost feel like 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:06.880 that's worse having wet gloves on your hands than just 0:52:06.960 --> 0:52:09.719 having wet hands, because the minute it stops raining, your 0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:12.239 skin dries and you put it. And what I've been 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:15.799 doing two is I'll just run them inside my you know, 0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:19.200 rain jacket pockets as I'm hiking along, you know, if 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:20.960 I don't need my hands, and that seems to keep 0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:25.600 them warming up. Yeah, they're wet, but once you get 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:27.160 them what it takes a hell of a nice day 0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:30.920 to ever get them dry again. Yeah, you gloves for sure. Yeah, 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.120 I'm with you there. I I do everything I can 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:37.320 to keep those, you know, the actual insulating layer dry, 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.959 and even as far as just wearing the mits over 0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:44.440 a bare hand. You know, if it's if it's wet 0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:48.520 and blowing and you know, just hovering at that forty 0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:51.680 five super cold, or it feels cold with the wet, 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:54.520 you can just put those over bare hands and we'll 0:52:54.560 --> 0:53:00.320 keep your fingers warm. Do you uh? Do you? Um? 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:05.359 We're in a netgator, I have uh. Yeah, Depending on 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.839 the time of year, I'll take one with me. Um, 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:12.279 if it's earlier, normally I don't, but um, you know, 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.960 if if there's any chance of snow, yeah, I have 0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:18.800 a lightweight one kind of a poly blend like a belt. 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:22.040 Do you wear a belt or does an internal like 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:27.319 built in belt on my bridges apparently? Yeah? Um, yeah, yeah, 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.560 no I do. I do, But I just use some 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:31.920 of our webbing. I just have, you know, just the 0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:36.200 real thin one inch webbing and the and the tension lock. Yeah, 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:39.000 that's the kind of belt I like for like I 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:41.960 I generally wear like a heavy duty belt normally for 0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:45.680 most stuff. But I now have a super thin, dinky, 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:50.320 little three quarter inch webbing belt because I hate the 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:54.440 feeling of my backpack digging into my belt. Yeah, I 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:57.000 do too, And it's and it's keeping all of that 0:53:57.120 --> 0:54:00.600 volume on the waistline as small as you can. I 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:04.520 mean for me at least. Um, well, you know some 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:07.920 pants have the doubled up belt loops, or if you 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.840 go with a thicker webbing belt, all of that stuff 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:14.920 creates that you know, um, that that extra thickness right 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.320 in your belt line, and it just becomes a pressure 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:20.279 point for for you know, when you're packing, when you 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:22.160 have your heavy pack, when you tighten the hip belt 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:26.359 on it. Yeah, especially on the belt loop areas. I've 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:29.520 noticed some of the pants I've used, so yeah, because 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.359 I'll get it to where I can feel like some 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:36.520 something like numb sensations almost like on the front of 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:38.759 my thighs kind of coming off my hips a little bit. 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:40.640 A lot of times I'll look in there and do 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.560 some wiggling around and something's just been bunched up, you know, 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:47.439 just to create that pinch point. Yeah, kind of dyes, 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:51.640 you run. I use those. I use the first light 0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:54.120 wool ones, the ones that are a little bit longer, 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:57.200 I do. I do those, man, those are super comfortable, 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.799 and it's almost like having like half of a set 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:04.400 of law John's. It is because you've got long socks on. 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:06.120 You can pull up to your knees. The only thing 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.279 that's not exposed is your kneecap. Yeah, yeah, I know. 0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:12.799 I really dig those. Yeah, they're comfortable. Do you uh, 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:17.280 how many extra pairs ones you bring along? That's it, 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:19.319 just the ones, just the one you're taking a minute 0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:26.600 wash them on a super nice day. Yeah. No, listen 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.000 if I don't have a problem with that, I don't 0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:32.560 have a problem that at all. That's what the wet 0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:35.719 wipes are for that, yeaheah. Yeah, so you gotta keep up. 0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:38.920 There's some maintenance that goes along with it. Yeah. We 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:42.880 used to mess around with um various powders, you know, 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.360 to powder and stuff like that. Do you do anything 0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:48.040 like that? I don't. Just wet wipes. Yeah, just wet wipes. 0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.879 You bring one wet white for every day. I bring 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.640 one of those little packages and I shower in a 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:57.200 bag or it's a shower and souped up wet wiper, 0:55:57.440 --> 0:56:01.680 genuinely like, oh no, just just the regular they're unscented ones. Yeah, 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:08.160 you like the uncented I do. Yeah. I don't know why. Yeah, 0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:11.560 it's not gonna I don't believe that it makes a difference. 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.839 It's just seems like the thing you should do if 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:16.120 you're hunting. I usually bring one. I usually bring one 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:17.920 for every day. But do you ever you familiar with 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:21.600 shower in a bag? Basically a big gass wet white. Okay, yeah, 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:23.880 it's a big wet white. You know, you can do 0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:26.640 a good scrubbing, but then you up having all the 0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:29.000 damn things unless you burn them or something. Yeah, you 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:34.480 ever make fires? I'm not very often? No? No, what 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:39.080 do you bring for a hat? Ball cap? Obviously? Yeah, 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:42.400 ball cap and then stocking hat? You know several different types. 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:44.000 And do you run like a do you run around 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:45.839 me Warren? Where you wear your stocking hat over your 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:50.279 ball cap? No? I don't. But this last year, I uh, 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.600 I had I started using and I can't even remember 0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:57.879 who makes it, Morment or something. The hoodie the full 0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:01.280 face not full face, be like a half faced hoodie 0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:03.960 that you can pull up over. Yeah, and that was slick. 0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:07.080 I like that, but kind of the same principle where 0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:08.680 you can just pull it up over your ball cap. 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:10.719 And I found that I was wearing my stocking hat 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:15.080 rarely after having that, and it was real lightweight materials, 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:17.200 so you know, to dry out even after it got 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:20.320 snow on it. You don't wear like a wool blend 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.880 stocking cap. I do have one, Yeah, yeah, I do 0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:27.560 have one that I carry on something like your stocking cap. 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:28.880 Do you ever like get rid of the stock and 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:30.680 cap you like because you're worried about it being too 0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:32.680 heavy and go with a light weight stock and no, 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.920 I can't say I've done that. I left behind my 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:39.560 last September on my elcoin. I left behind my woolve 0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:42.680 stock and cap and just went with the first light 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.680 Chama hoodie. Oh yeah, because I found the same thing. 0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:47.640 You're wearing that things so when it gets chill, you're 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:49.520 putting that on, and then next thing you know, you 0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:51.680 went a whole week. You never put your beanie hat on, 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:53.840 you know. And plus I like sleeping in that thing 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:56.600 because it's loose, So you don't like the stocking cap 0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.360 sometimes for me on my ears, oh, if you've been 0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:03.160 wearing all, your ears start to hurt, sleep your ears hurt. 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:06.840 But those hoodies are nice. I was behind the curve 0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:09.440 on that one. Most everybody I knew. I hunted with one, 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:11.600 and I don't know why I did never conform, but 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.920 I know why they have them now. I uh The 0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:17.800 reason I like the little, the thin marino net gator 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:21.440 is I also sleep where I wear it as my 0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:24.040 little tuk at night. That's French for hat. I think. 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:27.040 I wear it at night and I pulled over my 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.680 eyes to make things extra dark. You know what I'm saying. 0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.920 Keeps your ears warm, makes everything nice and dark so 0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:36.240 you can sleep good. It's the perfect thing, especially in 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.800 Alaska this time of year. Yep, that's things like it's 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:44.080 sometimes hard to sleep, yeah for sure. Yeah. I remember 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:46.439 my brothers one time, like, yeah hunt in August. They 0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:49.880 one time we're watching some sheep and I said, there's 0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:53.320 no point during the night when you couldn't wake up 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:57.840 and find them with find him with binoculars. Yeah, always 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:01.480 that light out it starts to drive you crazy. Yeah, 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:03.160 so I like that even just upo my fish chack. 0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:05.120 I was running my thing over my eyes at night 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:12.800 long still long days. I really kind of rely on it. 0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:14.760 A little thin neck gator. Used it for tons of 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:18.920 stuff and keeps down sunburn on your neck and like 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:21.720 you're always getting your neck cooked. It's amazing what those 0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:24.440 thin little marino ones will do for you, just for uh, 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:27.000 for up in your warmth. If you lose a lot 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:28.840 of heat out of your necks when you put that 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.240 thing on. It really it insulates. I'll do to gushes 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:32.880 out of there, man, if you can kind of cork 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:38.720 that up with one of those things. What else? Ni, oh, 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:42.880 what else? I guess it's while we're still on clothes. 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:48.000 Talk gators. Yeah, I think people put I think a 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:50.360 lot of guys were gators. They think they look badass. 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:54.240 I think it looks like when you see a mug 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:56.440 walking around and it's hot out and dry out and 0:59:56.440 --> 1:00:00.320 they got gators on, Like, what are you gatoring? Well, 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:04.200 all gators are good for No, let me answer your questions, 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:08.040 because you might be running like a very low profile 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:10.120 more of like almost like a running shoe, like a 1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:12.800 body Rick Smith runs. And in that case, if you 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.120 have one of those like small tightening, they call him 1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:18.800 scree gators. You know you're keeping the junk out of 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:22.000 your shoes. It's I'm talking about I'm talking about big 1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:26.120 palon knee. Gators are good for the snow, they're good 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:29.160 for wading through a bunch of wet brush, and they're 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:33.360 good crossing a shallow creek. Crossing the shallow creek. But 1:00:33.480 --> 1:00:37.520 to be out tromping around and gators in nice weather. 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:39.920 I don't understand. It's like people who go snowshoeing when 1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:44.040 there's only a photo of snow, because I just want 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:46.560 the experience of wearing the snowshoe, flipping snow up on 1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:50.040 their butt. Yeah, like I'm going snowshoeing, whether I need 1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:52.160 them or not. I think some people like the run gators. 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:54.680 They feel like they're like a badass mountain hunter when 1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:57.880 they strapped those gators on. I really think that that's true. Kurt, 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:01.400 what's your take on this. Well, I'm six ft four 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:03.600 and I had a hell of a time finding pants 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:09.040 that bloods that weren't. Yeah. Yeah, so a lot of times. 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:12.240 That's that's why I wore them. But that being said, 1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:15.920 I I totally understand where you're coming from. You know 1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:19.439 when it's but if you're on a long hunt, So take, 1:01:19.480 --> 1:01:22.120 for example, on this hunt, are you going to take gators? 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:31.360 No cumbering rain pants? Okay, so I always, I typically 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:34.800 always take gators. But on a nice warm day, you 1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:36.320 figure out what do you what do you do with them? 1:01:36.400 --> 1:01:37.880 You know, you had them on in the morning because 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.280 you get up in the morning and you know, everything's wet, 1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:42.720 so you don't want your pants to get wet or 1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:44.440 you know, that's the reason that you have the gators. 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:46.680 And then it gets nice in the middle of the day, 1:01:47.040 --> 1:01:49.680 and normally I'll wear them all day unless it gets 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:52.200 so hot that it's uncomfortable in your calves and everything, 1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:56.560 you know, because that's the thing is they just get like, yeah, 1:01:56.600 --> 1:01:59.000 it's just things get swampy inside there. Yeah. And if 1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:00.480 you've got a good pair of rain pants that you 1:02:00.480 --> 1:02:03.920 can buckle down or tighten down, you get you. I 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:05.720 get my if I'm putting on, I'll even roll my 1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:07.680 pants up one or two times and then put my 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:12.200 rain pants on and buckle them down. Yeah, that's a 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:16.520 pro move if it's snowy. I like the gators, especially 1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:18.920 tent camping like this kind of stuff, because then you 1:02:18.920 --> 1:02:21.280 get all that snow packed up, you pull your pants off, 1:02:21.320 --> 1:02:23.680 and you realize this guy like that wet globs of 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:27.640 basically like snowballs living between your pants and boots and stuff. 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:33.600 That's that's not good. Gators are nice for that. Yeah, 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:37.120 why are you looking at me like that? I'm just 1:02:37.160 --> 1:02:39.240 gonna add about your time about rolling your pants up 1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:42.120 and uh, I don't know why I got to do 1:02:42.160 --> 1:02:45.640 in that last September. That's how they hunt in New Zealand. 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:48.320 They hunting shorts and boots. Yeah, but I was. I 1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:51.600 was wearing my gators. But what I was doing is 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:54.720 I had those long, tall first Light socks on it, 1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:57.600 and I was tucking my pants into the tops of 1:02:57.600 --> 1:02:59.800 those socks so that they wouldn't be on top of 1:02:59.840 --> 1:03:03.000 my boots where there's moisture coming in even underneath the 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:05.400 gators a little bit. And as soon as you know 1:03:05.520 --> 1:03:08.120 that moisture hits something that's dry, it's gonna want to 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:11.520 wick and travel. And I would find that even though 1:03:11.520 --> 1:03:13.640 I was all covered up, when I had my pants down, 1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:16.040 I would have like the bottom, you know, fullat of 1:03:16.040 --> 1:03:18.520 my pants, possibly the tops of my socks would be wet. 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:20.840 And You're like, can I really be sweating that much? 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:22.360 Or why? Why was that? So as soon as I 1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:25.360 started doing that and bringing my cuffs up off of 1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:28.160 my boots and just letting the gator be with the boot, 1:03:28.360 --> 1:03:31.600 I had a h percent completely dry feet and dry 1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:34.080 socks and dry you know. When I got an a tent, 1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:36.160 I would roll down my pants and they'd be completely dry. 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:41.320 People on people underestimate wicking. Yeah, water travels crazy places. 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:43.800 If it's super wet and you're getting your cuffs wet, 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:46.760 that's stuff of migrate way up your arm. Yeah. Well, 1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:49.000 John Edwards and snails telling me that he thinks a 1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:52.200 lot of people complain about having wet leaky boots because 1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:54.720 the water will actually come all the way up their pants, 1:03:54.880 --> 1:03:57.240 hit their socks, and then go down their socket into 1:03:57.280 --> 1:03:59.840 their boot where they're like the top of their boots 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:02.480 better than their toes are. Do you ever look up 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:05.680 water in the dictionary? No, it's good. You think you 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:09.920 know all about water? It calls it. I think of 1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:15.800 liking almost universal solvent. There's nothing new with what we're 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:21.120 talking about. Um, you good on gators. I'm gonna bring them. 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:24.600 You bring them, not just your rain pants. Maybe I'll 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:29.160 bring mind too. Good idea. You agree that people like 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:34.080 the esthetics of gators. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:36.920 I like them. Do they realize how how sweaty they 1:04:36.960 --> 1:04:41.560 can make your calves? I gotta think about it. I 1:04:41.600 --> 1:04:47.400 can't decide. Um that's it for duds, I think so 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:52.200 any there are accessories that we missed, gloves, hats, shades, 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:57.880 What about some shades, shades, bring shades on your sheep. No, no, no, 1:04:58.080 --> 1:05:02.040 it's bad luck. It will just start raining. Really no, 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:06.160 but no, I don't know. Brick chains, uh got Some 1:05:06.240 --> 1:05:09.400 days are nice to have, they are, yeah, yeah, I 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:13.760 shouldn't say. I think that's that's been because you almost 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:15.640 have to bring a case, you do, and you have 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:19.480 to keep track of them, and yeah, some days are nice, 1:05:19.520 --> 1:05:21.200 but they're a little bit hard to maintain. But some 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:23.640 days it's just like it's so nice to have them. Yeah, 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:27.840 especially if you're on the alpine not a lot of 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:30.720 shady trees to hide under. No, but it's hard to 1:05:30.720 --> 1:05:34.680 glass with them, you know, you end up taking them off. Yeah, 1:05:35.120 --> 1:05:37.800 and I've had to be. I've had to be. There's 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:39.400 one in particularly member cause I got a couple of 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:42.760 photographs from it, like early on, as long as twenty 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:48.040 years ago, um, hunting doll sheep where we were even 1:05:48.120 --> 1:05:54.680 like making taking duct tape to convert sunglasses into glacier glasses. 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:58.520 It was that bad, especially when you get out in snowfields. Yeah, 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:02.880 it is horrible, yep, and like trying to seal off 1:06:02.920 --> 1:06:06.600 anything around, like you're like that hurting for sunglasses and 1:06:06.600 --> 1:06:10.640 like keeping that in mind. If you're hanging around glaciers 1:06:10.640 --> 1:06:13.680 and stuff, keeping that in mind makes you be like, 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:17.080 okay with carrying around sunglass because it's just as miserable. 1:06:17.240 --> 1:06:21.200 I take it you're gonna bring some after that for sure. 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:27.960 Where it's just horrible. There's a lot of glare. Even 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:33.200 the rock gets glary, the shale gets glary. You don't 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:35.560 believe in them. No, I wouldn't say that I don't 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:38.160 believe in them because I mean I always have sunglasses 1:06:38.680 --> 1:06:43.160 with me or on, you know, all summer. But I 1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:45.440 think it you just kind of get to that point 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:49.160 of you know, what can I live without? Yeah, I'm 1:06:49.200 --> 1:06:54.400 with you. Yeah, boys Coast to send me some camouflage sunglasses, 1:06:54.480 --> 1:06:58.480 so yeah, so I'll be able to hide. Dude, don't 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:04.160 set them down. Well they got there. Hopefully it's yeah, 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:09.160 hopefully it's reduced glare lens too, any any other clothing. 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:11.880 So I want to move on anither clothing. I think 1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:14.760 I think we can move on unless we want to 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:17.600 throw in that. Uh that I got a question about 1:07:18.080 --> 1:07:19.880 how we're not a question, but I want to see 1:07:19.920 --> 1:07:23.160 what you guys think about cotton. If you've ever really 1:07:23.200 --> 1:07:27.240 seen somebody go down, because of cotton, right because people 1:07:27.240 --> 1:07:30.200 say cotton kills and then have you figured it till 1:07:30.280 --> 1:07:36.200 we ever actually seen someone gets smoked. I've seen people. Um, 1:07:36.520 --> 1:07:38.439 I didn't even think of the dudes. His first name 1:07:38.480 --> 1:07:41.320 is Chuck. I don't want to say his last name. Uh. 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:44.600 Hunting Caribou had like a lot of like Carhart type 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:53.000 stuff with them, and his just absolute system failure. What 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:57.320 heavy cold, because you can't there's just nothing like you take, 1:07:57.360 --> 1:07:59.920 like there's nothing better. Man like dudes like you know, 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:01.800 like big time horse guys, you know, because they can, 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:04.160 like horse guys can pack so much ship with them, right, 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:07.840 So horse guys will be like, you know, bring a 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:10.120 big car heart jacket, like there's nothing better when it's 1:08:10.160 --> 1:08:13.240 cold to wake up and have that like wind proof 1:08:13.440 --> 1:08:19.080 you know thing. But um, and I've happily owned many 1:08:19.080 --> 1:08:20.439 of those things. But it's just like the kind of 1:08:20.439 --> 1:08:23.400 thing like once you get something like that wet, you 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:27.160 can't get that. There's no wear in that dry. There's 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:29.400 just nowhere in the dry and you could be packing 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:34.679 around I don't know, five ten pounds of waterways jacket 1:08:34.760 --> 1:08:38.759 like that for sure. Their day I had to wash 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:43.160 my daughter's sleeping bag in a five gallon bucket, you know. 1:08:44.479 --> 1:08:46.840 I remember putting like filled that bucket about the third 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:49.280 the way up. Remember we were beach comb and I 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:54.000 found that that joga yep jugga detergent that I think 1:08:54.040 --> 1:08:57.080 came from the Japanese tsunami. Remember, because all that Japanese 1:08:57.080 --> 1:09:00.960 stuff laying everywhere still five down bucket about a third 1:09:01.000 --> 1:09:02.960 way up with water and just put a little splash 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:04.439 that next I didn't have you other kind of salt 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:08.760 and put that sleeping bag into that water vanished. I 1:09:08.840 --> 1:09:11.920 was like, wow, man, that's like aple, Like is that 1:09:12.080 --> 1:09:18.240 called pounds water? You know? More? Yeah, you can fit 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:20.719 a lot of water, I mean a whole five gallon 1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:23.240 buckets forty pounds. You can fit a lot of water 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:27.400 into fabric. And the fabric that you're not going to 1:09:27.479 --> 1:09:30.160 get it out of I think is no good. So 1:09:30.200 --> 1:09:31.640 in that way, yeah, and then I've seen people that 1:09:31.680 --> 1:09:36.400 had cotton socks. It just don't work unless you're just tough. 1:09:36.800 --> 1:09:39.200 But my brother can hunt cotton socks because he's impervious 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:45.320 to discomfort. It's amazing. Yeah, he defies logic sometimes. I 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:47.240 was with him, you know, a couple of weekends ago 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:50.320 for two or three nights in the woods, and I'm 1:09:50.400 --> 1:09:53.120 just like, really, that's what you're wearing, and that's what 1:09:53.240 --> 1:09:57.840 you're bringing, all right. Um, he's also got llamas too, 1:09:57.960 --> 1:09:59.760 so he's got a little bit of that horse guy 1:09:59.760 --> 1:10:03.599 in the mentality, you know, bringing the bring the kitchen sink, 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:05.679 you know. Yeah, he can bring extra socks with him 1:10:05.920 --> 1:10:08.519 for sure. The third day, my kids found a dead 1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:10.400 gunnal looks like it's like a fish. It looks like 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:13.960 an eel. They found it dead in a tide pool 1:10:15.160 --> 1:10:17.840 and then they were like put a scallop shell on 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:20.639 the fire and boiled it. And it was already kind 1:10:20.640 --> 1:10:22.960 of nasty, you know when they found it and boiled, 1:10:22.960 --> 1:10:24.559 and he has ate the whole thing. They thought that 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:27.640 was funny, but he just like doesn't you know what 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:31.320 I mean, dude doesn't. It's nothing bothers him. So you 1:10:31.360 --> 1:10:34.560 can't learn a whole lot from him, you know. I 1:10:34.560 --> 1:10:38.559 remember one time he drank coffee mug full of rendered 1:10:38.600 --> 1:10:44.280 bar oil. Oh my, we're just drank it because he 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:48.400 wanted the calories. There's nothing happened to him either a 1:10:48.479 --> 1:10:52.719 coffee moment, a coffee mug of melted rendered bear lard 1:10:52.760 --> 1:10:54.759 and just drank it. No, he said, no, ill effect, 1:10:56.080 --> 1:11:01.519 it just sounds foul. Dude's impervious. Man, This conversation would 1:11:01.560 --> 1:11:05.519 drive him nuts because you're just thinking, like, oh, crying out, 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:09.840 wowd it's just complicated. Threw some stuff in a bag 1:11:09.880 --> 1:11:12.640 and go. No, he'd never participate to this kind of 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:17.640 conversation that he just can't just like beyond his comprehension. 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:24.000 People fussing over Rose, what about you? You ever seen 1:11:24.160 --> 1:11:29.360 Cotton really get work over someone? Yeah, a similar situation. 1:11:29.520 --> 1:11:32.520 I hunted with a guy when I first moved to Alaska, 1:11:33.920 --> 1:11:37.400 and uh, we went on I hadn't hunted with him 1:11:37.400 --> 1:11:39.800 on on this type of hunt before, but we went 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:42.880 on a goat hunt and it was late October. It 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:45.920 was a registration hunt, and you know that typical heavy 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:51.840 snow um hanging on all the alders and he had 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:57.280 some sort of you know, Carhart type work pant on 1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:00.280 with some gators and yeah, by the time we got 1:12:00.280 --> 1:12:02.400 there was about five miles in, and you know, he 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:06.760 was borderline hypothermic, and you just got everything set up, 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:09.280 got him in a sleeping bag, you know, and then 1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:11.200 of course you're stuck, is the only thing that you have. 1:12:11.400 --> 1:12:14.479 So the trip was over. You know, we we spent 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:17.040 the night, got him warm, waited for it to warm 1:12:17.120 --> 1:12:18.639 up a little bit that day, put the same cold 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:22.200 pants on it out. You know. It's like that sucked, 1:12:22.800 --> 1:12:26.720 but especially since every goats in there. But yeah, yeah, 1:12:26.800 --> 1:12:29.880 that type of situation, it can it can become scary 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:36.480 in a hurry. Right, Yeah. Do you bring, um, anything 1:12:36.600 --> 1:12:42.800 that that would qualify as survival equipment. I think the 1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:46.719 biggest piece of survival equipment I take is a SAT phone, 1:12:47.080 --> 1:12:50.280 you know, and something like this. Um, all right, you 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:51.880 know I have an in reach to one of the 1:12:51.920 --> 1:12:56.920 two and UM, I think that that's my biggest portion 1:12:57.000 --> 1:12:59.000 of it, you know, and I just kind of keep 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:02.439 my route updated it with my wife and so you know, 1:13:02.560 --> 1:13:06.519 have check in times and um. But yeah, as far 1:13:06.560 --> 1:13:11.120 as a specific piece of equipment or you know, within 1:13:11.160 --> 1:13:17.200 a first aid kit, just kind of your standard stuff. Um. 1:13:17.280 --> 1:13:19.800 You know, I don't have a special skill set in 1:13:19.800 --> 1:13:22.200 the medical fields, so I don't take anything that I 1:13:22.240 --> 1:13:24.559 don't know how to use. And that isn't far beyond 1:13:25.360 --> 1:13:27.280 you know, trying to keep an infection down if you 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:31.559 get caught. Yeah, I bring with triple triple antibiotic ointment 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:34.280 and assortment of bandages. Yeah, yeah, I mean that that 1:13:34.320 --> 1:13:37.479 would be probably my biggest concern of something that I 1:13:37.479 --> 1:13:42.960 could take. Yeah, alcohol wipes, triple antibiotic ointment, yeah, knockle 1:13:43.000 --> 1:13:45.000 band aids, regular band aids. And I bring a little 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:47.759 bit of a little role of med tape, which actually 1:13:47.840 --> 1:13:51.519 doubles as just general purpose tape. Yeah, like a little 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:54.280 teeny roll of med tape, probably ten feet of it. Yeah. Yeah, 1:13:54.320 --> 1:13:55.840 I think that's the biggest thing that I think I 1:13:55.880 --> 1:13:58.600 could control. Is you get in situations where you know, 1:13:58.640 --> 1:14:00.840 you could get an infection from a after cleaning an 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:05.240 animal or you know. But beyond that, I don't know. 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:07.960 I don't carry much else. Don't care like an extra 1:14:08.120 --> 1:14:10.600 lighter you have, like, oh no, I I carry a 1:14:10.600 --> 1:14:12.680 couple of lighters. I always have one on me and 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:18.120 I always have one in my pack. Yeah, yep. And 1:14:18.120 --> 1:14:20.280 what what other kind of stuff like that? You bring matches? 1:14:20.439 --> 1:14:24.040 Just lighters? I do just bring lighters to bring fire 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:27.160 starter material, I do, yep, yep, So you know, and 1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:31.720 it kind of depends year to year, but uh, typically 1:14:31.800 --> 1:14:37.920 some of like a vassline coated cotton ball or um 1:14:38.080 --> 1:14:40.920 some sort of gel. You know, you can buy different stuff. 1:14:40.920 --> 1:14:42.760 I play around with different things, but you don't have 1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:47.880 a few of those, and um, trying to think of 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:50.360 what else I started using that. I take one of 1:14:50.360 --> 1:14:53.960 the dirt myths chew tins and feel it full of 1:14:54.320 --> 1:14:59.120 vassline coated cotton balls, because one the vassiline could be 1:14:59.160 --> 1:15:03.200 good for chap lips or any kind of other problem. 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:05.280 Uh to the t s A, guys, don't steal it 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:10.880 because you're not flying around with flammable stuff and burns 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:14.720 like the Dickens man. Yeah, the cotton ball impregnated with vassilin. 1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:22.599 That's what I found too. I was really surprised. 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Then he pulls it out to sear 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:35.800 it because he's like, when it's frozen in the middle, 1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:37.880 you can see the living but Jesus out of that 1:18:37.960 --> 1:18:39.920 thing and gets like a bark on it that you 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:43.800 wouldn't believe, and then sets it out because it's getting 1:18:43.800 --> 1:18:45.759 pretty hot, and sets it out and lets it rest, 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:48.639 and eventually that thing just comes to the right tempt 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:54.040 from his own heat. He's loving to get yours. Visit 1:18:54.080 --> 1:18:56.880 chef steps dot com slash jewel and use code meat 1:18:56.920 --> 1:19:00.960 eater to get fifteen bucks off for a limited time 1:19:01.080 --> 1:19:05.120 that chef steps dot com slash j O U l 1:19:05.320 --> 1:19:08.360 E code meat eater and I think they had it 1:19:08.400 --> 1:19:10.840 where it's case sensitive, so run it all upper case. 1:19:11.600 --> 1:19:14.759 A few folks never went to school. That's the big letters. 1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:21.080 Jewel perfect food. Every time I heard of a guy 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.679 hunting doll sheep last year. They had to get flown 1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:27.720 out for heatstroke. Oh wow, I andn't heard of that. No, 1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:30.720 it's one or the other man. Yeah, damned if you do. 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:36.360 Damn if you don't. You know, pride gators on. Yeah, 1:19:37.200 --> 1:19:39.680 that's what broken. So trying other things that would like 1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:43.479 there would people regard as as survival gear that you'd 1:19:43.479 --> 1:19:46.519 bring on say like a like an archery bow hunt 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:50.920 or sometime of big time sheep hunt. You know I 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:54.599 went hunted. Yeah, I hunted with a guy that didn't 1:19:54.640 --> 1:19:58.040 know if he was allergic to bees, and we got 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:02.200 into a ground nest of wasps be you know, some 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:06.120 type of hornet in Alaska, and he got stung seven 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:08.280 or eight times. And that was the first time I 1:20:08.320 --> 1:20:11.840 started thinking about, you know, having something to deal with 1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:14.640 an EpiPen or what is it you know, ben at 1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:18.800 drill or you know something. Oh, I carry it, that's 1:20:18.840 --> 1:20:20.960 their thing, man. I carry an assortment of meds, but 1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:25.160 just single like single, this single that. Yeah, you know, 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:28.080 a couple little like a handful of ivy profen. Yeah, 1:20:28.240 --> 1:20:32.280 oh anti diar reel, you gotta have that. I haven't 1:20:32.320 --> 1:20:35.960 brought that. That's a brilliant A good point. They're about 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:39.840 they're about a tenth the size of a dime. I 1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:41.679 think that's a good one. That. Yeah, they are actually 1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:44.960 small even for a pill, you know. But like, yeah, 1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:46.800 I think I carry probably I probably have four of 1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:51.840 my kid, Yeah, because that'll slow you down to carry 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:56.920 traditional compass, I don't. That's like total ship hits the fan, right, yeah, 1:20:57.120 --> 1:20:59.000 or you're hunting like out on the tunder or something 1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:00.559 where it's hard to tell what the what. But in 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:02.960 the mountains, it's like the navigation is so different because 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:05.800 it's just because you have such start topography to kind 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:07.760 of help you figure out what's the what you do. 1:21:08.040 --> 1:21:09.960 If you go one and all for Cariboo, you know, 1:21:10.080 --> 1:21:13.240 you could like now you quickly have no idea what's 1:21:13.240 --> 1:21:15.680 going on, especially fog rolls in that type of thing, 1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:17.080 you know, and when you're in the mountains, if you're 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:18.800 in that kind of country, if the fog rolls in, 1:21:20.320 --> 1:21:21.800 you want to be able to see where you're going. 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:23.960 You might get yourself into spot you can't get out 1:21:23.960 --> 1:21:27.479 of or you can't get down through. So yeah, no, 1:21:27.720 --> 1:21:32.080 I haven't. I haven't carried one. I have one of 1:21:32.120 --> 1:21:37.400 those little micro compasses. It's in my survival kit along 1:21:37.439 --> 1:21:41.479 with I think there's still an emergency blanket in there. 1:21:41.640 --> 1:21:44.880 I've got a piece of paper and in a small 1:21:44.960 --> 1:21:47.960 pencil in there. There's a roll of duct tape in there, 1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:50.519 one of those like rolls. It's like your pinky. I 1:21:50.560 --> 1:21:55.040 gave up on emergency blankets, especially like sheep hunting. You 1:21:55.080 --> 1:21:59.760 just can't leave your pack. No, you can't leave your 1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:04.160 pack mm hmm, because as you got it, you're so vulnerable. 1:22:04.280 --> 1:22:07.679 It's you can't be going off for like a day hunt, 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:09.679 you know, because you don't have an extra thing anyway. 1:22:09.680 --> 1:22:13.559 It's like the things is always with you, you know. Yeah, 1:22:14.040 --> 1:22:17.679 you know. Another good one is I carry a small 1:22:17.800 --> 1:22:21.920 roll of guerrilla tape neither my ice ACKs or my 1:22:21.920 --> 1:22:24.080 my walking stick, you know. And and a little bit 1:22:24.080 --> 1:22:26.840 of electrical tape too, but that guerrilla tape. And I'm 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:28.519 sure lots of duct tapes the same way, but the 1:22:28.520 --> 1:22:32.160 guerrilla tape seems to have a little bit more gummy 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:35.160 on it, and it's worked well to be able to 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:37.960 seal up pants when you know, you know, like tore 1:22:38.040 --> 1:22:41.040 home my pants or my gators and you massage that 1:22:41.120 --> 1:22:42.519 in there and hit it with the lighter a couple 1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:46.679 of times and get hot and yeah it'll it'll seal 1:22:46.720 --> 1:22:48.559 up a lot. But I carry those that what are 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:55.439 those patches of circle patches for the therm arrest And 1:22:55.479 --> 1:23:00.640 then yeah, the name of the tape is it's the 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:02.240 greatest stuff in the world. Man. It comes these a 1:23:02.320 --> 1:23:06.720 weird little roles. Is it a k isn't it? You 1:23:06.720 --> 1:23:08.960 don't know it, man, you have to look it up now. 1:23:09.160 --> 1:23:11.120 It's basically like, yeah, it's like you're at the outer 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:14.559 textile of a rain jacket with some but you can 1:23:14.600 --> 1:23:18.640 buy two inch circles of it. Yeah, it's about his 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:20.559 bulky is cutting two inch circle out of a piece 1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:24.760 of printer paper. But it's the perfect patch. Yeah, that'd 1:23:24.760 --> 1:23:28.920 be great patch, sleeping bag, patch, therm arrest, Yeah, patch anything. 1:23:29.240 --> 1:23:30.920 I don't know, actually run a therm arrest. You bring 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:35.599 a sleeping pad, yeah, yeah, I'm not that tough. Yeah. 1:23:35.760 --> 1:23:37.760 I got like a little Nemo blow up sleeping pad. 1:23:37.800 --> 1:23:41.880 I bring it. Yeah. Well, and and when it gets cold, 1:23:41.960 --> 1:23:46.599 I mean that's boy it is, yeah, sleeping on cold ground. 1:23:47.240 --> 1:23:50.720 So first, yeah, so for a sleep system, Yeah, I 1:23:50.720 --> 1:23:54.799 go tent and I've messed around all kinds of stringing 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:56.840 tarps up with strings and stuff. But it's like, which 1:23:56.840 --> 1:24:00.280 is great until things are nasty or until you're stuck 1:24:00.320 --> 1:24:02.840 in the fog for days on end. Yeah, I use 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:07.720 a tent. I use an inflated a very lightweight inflatable 1:24:07.760 --> 1:24:11.720 insulated pad, and I use a sleeping bag that is 1:24:14.600 --> 1:24:17.600 five or ten degrees lower than what I expect the 1:24:17.640 --> 1:24:22.880 lows to be. I never like gamble on good weather 1:24:23.720 --> 1:24:27.800 with a sleeping bag, because once you get tired and 1:24:27.840 --> 1:24:30.080 you're just not getting good sleep and you're cold all night, 1:24:30.120 --> 1:24:34.840 it just affects your whole game, it does. Yeah, So 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:37.400 something like this, I'll probably like you know, like like 1:24:37.479 --> 1:24:40.200 say like an archery l Cohn or you know, August 1:24:40.240 --> 1:24:45.240 Sheep or whatever. I'd probably bring like a fifteen degree bag. No. 1:24:45.320 --> 1:24:47.240 One that is probably gonna I'm probably gonna be sleeping 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:52.240 with a zipper open. Yeah, well, there isn't that much 1:24:52.479 --> 1:24:55.519 weight difference between the fifteen and you know even a 1:24:55.600 --> 1:25:01.640 thirty and what six eight don'ts is? And I owned 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:03.959 so many sleeping bags right now, it's like kind of ridiculous. 1:25:03.960 --> 1:25:05.720 That's what makes me have like I used to have 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:08.000 all sleep like when I was younger. You said, oh, bag, 1:25:08.479 --> 1:25:10.400 it's a bit of bag on everywhere you went. Yeah, 1:25:10.640 --> 1:25:12.280 you know. Now I'm like, who do I want? You know, 1:25:13.040 --> 1:25:14.720 I can get right down to the degree, you know, 1:25:14.760 --> 1:25:20.200 and it's kind of annoying, right and look at Yeah 1:25:20.560 --> 1:25:24.640 you're Montana September sheet punt zero or fifteen for you, 1:25:25.000 --> 1:25:28.200 I'll take a fifteen. You take a tent or no tent? 1:25:28.320 --> 1:25:33.479 Oh yeah, I always take a tu Yeah, new Stone 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:37.040 glacier tent will be yeah, new Stone Glacier tent. But 1:25:37.040 --> 1:25:38.880 that's a two man tent. It is a two man 1:25:38.880 --> 1:25:44.400 tent and it's lighter than my one man so what yeah, yeah, 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:47.760 right right there close. So you air because I I 1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:50.519 put I put a My one man is a little 1:25:50.520 --> 1:25:52.800 bit modified because I put a stove jack in it, 1:25:53.200 --> 1:25:56.400 so it bumped it up over the weight. But so 1:25:56.479 --> 1:26:00.120 you air on the side of heavy duty tent, I do. 1:26:00.320 --> 1:26:05.320 I had a couple of bad experiences and um, not 1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:08.080 as bad as it could have been. But you know, 1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:10.680 that's that's a game change. It seemed that that that, 1:26:10.840 --> 1:26:13.120 to me in a couple of situations, was the last 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:16.400 lifeline that if you know, if you're out there by 1:26:16.400 --> 1:26:20.600 yourself and you're in a miserable miserable storm and you 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:25.160 don't have shelter. You know, hype a thermia is you 1:26:25.160 --> 1:26:28.280 can die. Yeah, it's gonna happen. You bring a book 1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:32.679 I have in the past. Yeah, yeah, I actually hadn't 1:26:32.720 --> 1:26:36.280 thought about that this time. We got stuck hunting sheep 1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:38.000 one time in the fox and I was some I 1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:40.439 want to snow it after the fog. My brother had 1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:42.479 a book and we cut that book in thirds because 1:26:42.479 --> 1:26:45.360 there's three of us. We cut that book in thirds 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:46.840 because it was his book, his book. He got to 1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:50.080 read the first part first, but like the other people 1:26:50.120 --> 1:26:52.479 had to start like either the second third or middle third, 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:54.719 and we swapped that book around. Everyone read that book. 1:26:54.760 --> 1:26:58.040 It was like a biography of the first superintendent of 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:04.200 the Nali National Part. Not a great book, some good 1:27:04.200 --> 1:27:07.840 stories in there. Um in that book, they're always out 1:27:07.880 --> 1:27:10.000 hunting bears to get bear large to make biscuits. I 1:27:10.000 --> 1:27:13.719 remember thinking that was interesting. But yeah, man, reading material. 1:27:13.760 --> 1:27:15.640 But now it's just easy to have something not You 1:27:15.640 --> 1:27:17.160 don't need a big book, you know, you don't have 1:27:17.240 --> 1:27:20.000 like a sometime to keep you entertaining. Yeah, you can 1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:22.600 have like a little digital reader. Yeah, and have a 1:27:22.600 --> 1:27:26.200 lot of stuff on it. Yeah, but it's just someone 1:27:26.400 --> 1:27:30.519 and then you're like packing stuff just in case you 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:33.760 get stuck. Yeah, and that's that was one of the 1:27:33.800 --> 1:27:36.720 things that I started to look at, is you know, 1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:41.120 on a scale I wouldn't attend can you can you 1:27:41.160 --> 1:27:44.360 live without it? You know? Or how often are you 1:27:44.400 --> 1:27:47.479 going to use it? And you know, you you kind 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:50.000 of you sign a value to you have this group 1:27:50.040 --> 1:27:52.040 of equipment here on the table, you don't know whether 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:53.639 to put in your pack, and you kind of sign 1:27:53.680 --> 1:27:55.320 a value to it, and you're like, Okay, now I 1:27:55.360 --> 1:27:58.080 can quantify whether or not I should take that book 1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:01.880 or I should take whatever it might be. It falls 1:28:01.920 --> 1:28:06.599 on this spectrum. Yeah, your shoes being on one end 1:28:07.600 --> 1:28:10.559 and then a heart and then your book being on 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:13.920 the other end of the spectrum of like necessity. Yeah, 1:28:14.000 --> 1:28:16.479 you know, yeah, it's like tough calls and a lot 1:28:16.520 --> 1:28:20.240 of times I don't know until the last second, I'll 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:22.040 still have like a little bag laying there to the 1:28:22.160 --> 1:28:26.600 last second and I'm still like in my mind, yeah, 1:28:26.880 --> 1:28:29.200 kicking it a weighing it out. Yeah, you need to pack, 1:28:29.479 --> 1:28:31.799 like you feel when you're walking back to the strip, 1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:35.200 you know, when you're just absolutely torn up and you're 1:28:35.240 --> 1:28:37.280 thinking of all of the ship that you're carrying that 1:28:37.360 --> 1:28:41.200 you didn't ever touch. You're thinking, next time, I'm not 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:43.439 going to do that. I used to and I haven't 1:28:43.479 --> 1:28:44.960 here in the last few years, but I used to 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:49.680 always carry a little tablet with me and and leave 1:28:49.720 --> 1:28:52.160 it at the strip and kind of go through if 1:28:52.200 --> 1:28:54.680 there was something, I'd make notes about my trip, you know, 1:28:54.720 --> 1:28:56.200 when I was waiting to get picked up and say 1:28:56.200 --> 1:28:58.400 I didn't use this, did use this, could have used that, 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:00.640 all those little fine point I see, you'd kind of 1:29:00.680 --> 1:29:03.800 forget down the road. So that that that also helped 1:29:03.840 --> 1:29:07.880 to kind of refine the entire gear list program. What 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:13.720 do you what do you like for water water purification? 1:29:14.240 --> 1:29:18.240 I'll say what I like. I'm telling you man, we 1:29:18.320 --> 1:29:23.200 have just switched let me back up and we're talking 1:29:23.200 --> 1:29:27.440 about survival stuff. Yeah. I carry a few idine tablets 1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:32.080 in the little individual packs, right, a few ID one tablets, 1:29:32.080 --> 1:29:36.600 but we've switched those those uh sterry pens man in 1:29:36.640 --> 1:29:41.880 for red light. I've never used. It's just like you're going, 1:29:41.920 --> 1:29:46.719 are you running a palm? No? Oh, you're just going. No, 1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:50.439 it's drinking just drinking bear shit water. No. No, I 1:29:50.479 --> 1:29:52.840 haven't done that either. No. I used a pump for 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:56.280 a while, and then I had some issues, um wow, 1:29:56.360 --> 1:30:00.160 with silt, and you know, they're kind of cumbersome pain 1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:01.840 and as you dread it, you're like, oh, man, I 1:30:01.840 --> 1:30:03.639 gotta go down to the creek in the dark pump 1:30:03.760 --> 1:30:05.639 and then and then that's all I brought. And then 1:30:05.640 --> 1:30:08.360 of course the things filled with water and it froze 1:30:08.400 --> 1:30:10.719 and then you know, cracked, and then it doesn't work, 1:30:10.800 --> 1:30:12.960 so you get white. You need to get a pen, man, Well, 1:30:13.000 --> 1:30:15.519 I think I might because all I've been carrying my 1:30:15.640 --> 1:30:18.880 longer trips is just tablets. Yeah, you don't want to 1:30:18.920 --> 1:30:20.600 drink all that all the time. Man, this is not 1:30:20.680 --> 1:30:23.960 good for you know, I figured for fourteen days. Like 1:30:25.520 --> 1:30:27.280 Steve always says, it ain't gonna be the thing that 1:30:27.360 --> 1:30:32.800 kills you because you ate drinking eye eyed water. No, 1:30:32.880 --> 1:30:34.360 it's not gonna be what kills you. And I and 1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:37.120 I regret saying that it's not good for you because 1:30:37.240 --> 1:30:39.800 I don't really know, and it's not you're doing a 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:42.960 year round for your whole life. However, a starry pen 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:47.080 it's the size of, well what it's the size of 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:49.000 if you take two fingers and join it up to 1:30:49.000 --> 1:30:53.599 your other two fingers. Those sons of bitches are the nicest. 1:30:53.800 --> 1:30:55.920 That's a great But that person should get a Nobel 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:59.679 prize in backpack. So how do you use it, dude? 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:02.760 Do you fill up analogene and then drink through the 1:31:02.840 --> 1:31:06.120 straw in? No? No, no, no, no, not straws. You 1:31:06.240 --> 1:31:10.200 fill a bottle up. Oh, they drop in there. Yeah, 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:13.000 it's a wand yeah it drops in there. It doesn't 1:31:13.080 --> 1:31:15.439 drop in there. You wave it in there. Okay, I 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:18.240 got you. I'm following what you're saying. Now, it's a 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:20.680 it looks like it's like a flashlight, so you can 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:22.439 put it right in. It looks like a flash No, 1:31:22.600 --> 1:31:24.320 it doesn't look like a flashlight. It looks like a 1:31:24.360 --> 1:31:28.000 flashlight handle, lightsaber, looks like a little miniatu. It's it's 1:31:28.000 --> 1:31:32.760 a lightsaber that's seven inches long. Okay, you dip your net. 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:35.479 However you go about it. You get a bottleful, get 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:41.559 a water bottleful, and put that thing in there and 1:31:41.600 --> 1:31:44.160 wave it around for ninety seconds. Can you throw it 1:31:44.360 --> 1:31:50.360 and like a hydration bladder? No, I think that we've 1:31:50.360 --> 1:31:53.320 I've done it. Get and just hope for the best, 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:56.400 because it says it basically one. You know, I think 1:31:56.400 --> 1:31:58.679 you tap it twice for half a leader and tap 1:31:58.760 --> 1:32:01.519 it once for a full lead. So if you're doing, 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:06.439 you know, a gallon hydration bladder, you know, do it 1:32:06.479 --> 1:32:08.880 three times and swirl it around and hope you're killing 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:12.200 everything in there. Or I guess I'm always running a 1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:16.040 bladder and analogy. So I would just do my analogy 1:32:16.040 --> 1:32:18.240 and poured in there and do my analogy. That we're 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:20.880 opening up another question now that has to do with water. 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:25.080 So you're running tablets. Do you run the double tablet 1:32:25.120 --> 1:32:26.559 where you do the iodine, then you do the thing 1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:28.360 that takes away the taste of the iodine and just 1:32:28.439 --> 1:32:32.360 running the iodine. Yeah, I started bringing those. You like them? Yeah? 1:32:32.439 --> 1:32:34.760 I like them. It just takes a little bit of 1:32:34.760 --> 1:32:38.800 the taste away. Okay, So I have that, I have 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:43.120 my sterry pen. I bring a water bottle and then 1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:48.120 I bring a a bladder that like the MSR bladders 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:52.679 because then you can go down and get a heap 1:32:52.680 --> 1:32:58.400 and helping the water, especially in sheep country. Yeah man, yeah, dude, 1:32:58.400 --> 1:33:01.920 you're like two thousand feet above the wall. And that's 1:33:02.000 --> 1:33:05.280 that's what I do too, is I carry they're the 1:33:05.400 --> 1:33:07.400 I have the two lead ones. I carry two of 1:33:07.439 --> 1:33:10.479 the two lead ones, and Platypus makes them and they're 1:33:10.520 --> 1:33:14.200 just a couple ounces. They're the super lightweight plastic stuff. Yeah, 1:33:14.200 --> 1:33:16.920 they have to guess the fails man well, but I 1:33:16.960 --> 1:33:18.960 don't have to use them that often, you know. I'm 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:20.840 talking about the MSR ones that are like almost like 1:33:20.840 --> 1:33:24.040 a like a fabric. Yeah. Yeah, but I just carry 1:33:24.080 --> 1:33:28.080 these ones to carry extra water. So say, for example, 1:33:28.120 --> 1:33:29.840 if I'm going into a spot where I don't think 1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:32.759 that there's gonna be water, I'll have my regular hydration 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:34.800 bladder and then I'll have either one or two of these, 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:37.479 so you know, I can take six eight liters of 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:41.840 water up above tree line if you if you don't 1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:44.080 think that you're gonna have water up there, so you 1:33:44.240 --> 1:33:48.559 use a hydration bladder in your pack. No, I never 1:33:48.640 --> 1:33:51.600 put it in my pack. I put it in the 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:53.640 lid because you can't be doing that if you're in 1:33:53.680 --> 1:33:55.280 a place where you can't afford to have your stuff 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:59.000 at all wet. Well, and it just in my experience, 1:33:59.040 --> 1:34:02.160 caused nothing but issues because as the water bladder starts 1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:04.960 to get smaller, you lose your compression. Things shift it 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:07.840 pinches the hose or it pinches off the you know, 1:34:07.880 --> 1:34:11.679 you can't tighten the pack down super freezes. The hose freezes. 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:14.240 So that's the other thing. As soon as there's snow 1:34:14.280 --> 1:34:16.519 on the ground and I leave the I don't bring 1:34:16.560 --> 1:34:23.080 a bladder anymore. It's travel I carry eating snow, milk drink. Yeah, yeah, 1:34:23.080 --> 1:34:25.400 I swapped. I swapped the bladder for an extra canister 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:29.360 of fuel and so you know, just you know, stop, 1:34:29.640 --> 1:34:32.519 heat up some water, get at my water bottle and 1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:34.400 keep rolling. You only do that a couple few times. 1:34:34.439 --> 1:34:37.240 Do you like those plastic platypus ones? Well, I like 1:34:37.360 --> 1:34:40.200 them because I can carry extra water. I won't be 1:34:40.280 --> 1:34:44.559 I I never use them as a as a daily Yeah, 1:34:44.640 --> 1:34:47.120 as your daily. I don't have a hose hook to them. 1:34:47.760 --> 1:34:51.080 They are just water. And then they laughed for that. 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:54.840 Oh yeah, you can't carrying around because in some areas, 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:57.280 I'll like have my water bubble. I'll also fill up 1:34:57.320 --> 1:35:00.559 the MSR jug the ms R and put that in 1:35:00.600 --> 1:35:03.360 my backpack. Yeah. Depending on what your thing is going 1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:06.519 on with water and water could be tough. Oh that 1:35:06.600 --> 1:35:09.639 can ruin it. Huh. What do you like for a stove? 1:35:10.360 --> 1:35:12.640 I got so many different stoves, man, and then the 1:35:12.720 --> 1:35:15.680 pilots like like the bush pilots now not like in 1:35:15.720 --> 1:35:22.120 the canisters. Has move things back? Yeah, because he used 1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:26.280 to use like slot stoves, you know, then went to 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:29.960 canister stoves. But now no one wants to fly the canisters. Yeah, 1:35:30.120 --> 1:35:33.000 so it's like back to slot stoves. Now. Well I 1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:37.240 heard that slut. Oh well, you know, like my optimist 1:35:37.240 --> 1:35:43.519 stove you can burn diesel on aviation fuel. Yeah, it's 1:35:43.560 --> 1:35:49.160 not my terms, Cora McCarthy's term. Got it. What are 1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:51.840 you packing for a stove? It depends on the time 1:35:51.840 --> 1:35:57.120 of year of the hunt. Um, so I say, on 1:35:57.120 --> 1:36:00.400 on this hunt, I'm trying to take virtue. All the 1:36:00.439 --> 1:36:02.600 food doesn't have to be cooked, you know, maybe it 1:36:02.640 --> 1:36:04.880 needs to be rehydrated. So you know, you need to 1:36:04.880 --> 1:36:07.559 rehydrate it at noon for it to be ready in 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:12.559 the evening, but not counting on cooking and boiling water 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:15.760 every day, so then you can go lighter on your fuel. Um, 1:36:16.080 --> 1:36:21.280 I'm using the msru is it is it the dragonfly 1:36:21.880 --> 1:36:23.920 on what's that one called? It's just that whisper light. 1:36:24.000 --> 1:36:27.439 Whisper light. Yeah, it's just that that's one. It is 1:36:27.560 --> 1:36:30.600 that little triangular stap plastic container. Yeah. Yeah, well I 1:36:30.640 --> 1:36:32.719 had that one too, and then they make they actually 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:34.640 came up with a smaller version of that, and I 1:36:34.720 --> 1:36:37.800 just it just hits on a canister or you run, no, 1:36:37.920 --> 1:36:40.960 it fits on a canister. Oh you're thinking of the 1:36:40.960 --> 1:36:45.599 pocket rocket. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's nice little stone 1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:48.040 it is. That's a great little show. So I'll carry that, 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:51.640 um one or two cans of fuel of the you know, 1:36:51.680 --> 1:36:55.280 the smaller four ounce ones and um and just not 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:57.320 count on cooking much. You know, maybe if you need 1:36:57.360 --> 1:36:59.840 to melt snow for water or something, so you'll go 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:03.240 the whole day and not eating anything warm. Yeah, most 1:37:03.280 --> 1:37:05.920 of the time. Most of the time. I'm not into 1:37:05.960 --> 1:37:10.200 that scene, man. Yeah, So tell me what you're instead 1:37:10.240 --> 1:37:14.960 of having a house at night, what are you eating? Um? Well, 1:37:15.560 --> 1:37:18.800 I carry a lot of bars, um, you know, and 1:37:18.840 --> 1:37:21.040 there's a there's a lot of different things. And there's 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:23.040 a few of the mountain houses too that if you 1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:25.200 get water in them early enough that it'll just be 1:37:25.240 --> 1:37:27.880 like cold leftovers by the end of the night, you know, 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:30.040 so by the time you're ready to eat it, so 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:32.600 you're just start thinking about dinner at noon. Throw some 1:37:32.680 --> 1:37:36.599 water you can. Yeah, you can do that. Um and uh, 1:37:36.640 --> 1:37:39.240 you know you can do it with different ramen. You 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:41.320 can do the same thing or instant rice. It just 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:43.519 takes longer. I never thought about that with the house 1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:46.800 Do you take a house packet and put cold water there? 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:50.880 Some of them? Some of them you can. The chicken 1:37:51.000 --> 1:37:54.120 arryaky rice is the one that I carry. There is 1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:56.960 also a that is that like all you can find 1:37:56.960 --> 1:38:00.320 that information online or have you just learned that over experience? No, 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:03.479 they were just the ones that I liked and you know, 1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:08.240 just tried it. You cold oatmeal in the morning, m yeah, yeah, 1:38:08.479 --> 1:38:10.080 well a lot of I actually, I mean I have 1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:12.240 in the past. I don't carry any oatmeal anymore. You 1:38:12.240 --> 1:38:20.280 don't drink coffee, no goose shots with double caffeine. Oh yeah, yeah, 1:38:20.439 --> 1:38:22.040 I don't know. I just try not to cook very 1:38:22.080 --> 1:38:24.920 much because I found that cooking in the darks of 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:28.800 pain in the assid it always I don't know, I 1:38:28.960 --> 1:38:31.040 would rather just be going to sleep because you know, 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:35.160 typically by the time it's dark you know what in Montana, 1:38:35.200 --> 1:38:37.559 you know, nine ten o'clock. Well it's not quite that 1:38:37.640 --> 1:38:40.720 late maybe in Alaska. But point being, as you know, 1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:43.559 rather be climbing into the tent. And so then if 1:38:43.560 --> 1:38:46.080 you're cooking during the you know, in the evening hours 1:38:46.080 --> 1:38:48.320 before it gets dark, that's that's prime time to be 1:38:48.320 --> 1:38:51.679 behind the glass. So I just found it was easier 1:38:51.720 --> 1:38:54.680 to you know, try to get that stuff taken care 1:38:54.720 --> 1:38:56.040 of dur in the middle of the day and maybe 1:38:56.040 --> 1:38:58.880 it's not as you know, not as good a hund 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:05.000 and then then the same thing in the morning. Ah, 1:39:05.160 --> 1:39:07.479 get up, throw something in your pocket and get after 1:39:07.479 --> 1:39:10.280 it wherever, get to your glassing spot, you know, post 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:13.080 figuring out. Yeah, breakfast is pretty easy to eat that way, 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:16.080 like while you're glass and start snacking, you know, next thing, 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:20.360 you know, what's new yea, Yeah, I just try to 1:39:20.400 --> 1:39:25.240 make it as low maintenance as possible. Man, you wouldn't 1:39:25.280 --> 1:39:29.679 like our set up. We got mayonnaise, mustard, sandwich, thins 1:39:29.840 --> 1:39:34.519 ham cheese. Yeah that sounds nice. I like, yeah, man, 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:36.400 I like I like to try to get the but 1:39:36.439 --> 1:39:39.080 I like to try to get the food in. Man. Yeah, 1:39:39.240 --> 1:39:41.160 there's certain I know, there's like there's certain things where 1:39:41.200 --> 1:39:43.240 I think everybody breaks in their own direction when it 1:39:43.280 --> 1:39:48.160 comes to like what what warrants being carried, you know, 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:51.280 and what's enjoyable because ultimately we go out there because 1:39:51.600 --> 1:39:54.439 we want to have fun, and so if somebody isn't 1:39:54.439 --> 1:40:01.840 having fun, because you know, they just yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:40:01.840 --> 1:40:04.320 it goes psychologically. Man. That's kind of my happiest part 1:40:04.360 --> 1:40:07.400 of the day. Actually, Yeah, my happiest part of the 1:40:07.479 --> 1:40:11.960 day having some house. Yeah. And it's not always that way, 1:40:12.040 --> 1:40:16.240 especially the elk hunting in Montana or you know where 1:40:16.320 --> 1:40:19.280 you have that stuff. But on the longer hunts, the 1:40:19.320 --> 1:40:22.000 sheep hunts, you know, when the weather it's a little 1:40:22.000 --> 1:40:25.200 bit more of the fall and not winter. I don't know, 1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:28.559 that's just the warm meal hasn't been as much of 1:40:28.600 --> 1:40:31.200 a priority. Yeah, you do, you bring any you don't 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:33.160 bring any kind of fruit or anything, right, apples and 1:40:33.200 --> 1:40:36.240 stuff because dried you know, a lot of you know, 1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:40.400 a lot of the stuff has dried fruit in it. Um. Yeah. 1:40:40.400 --> 1:40:42.880 And there's some really good bars out there. If you 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:46.400 guys have ever had the Green Belly meals, No, Man, 1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:48.200 we've got every barn the planet, but I never heard 1:40:48.240 --> 1:40:50.040 of that one or thought I had every every barn 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:54.400 the planet. I'll tell you they're a ship. They're so good. Um, 1:40:54.040 --> 1:40:57.960 call Green Belly. Order them online. Order them online. Yeah, 1:40:57.960 --> 1:41:01.639 the guy runs a really cool business and uh, well 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:04.200 we'll pull out like we'll have an assortment. Man, we 1:41:04.280 --> 1:41:11.040 got like kind pro I can't name them all, tons 1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:13.800 of them. Well, these zones are old schoolers. Yeah. They 1:41:13.840 --> 1:41:15.639 come with two bars in each pack and there's six 1:41:15.720 --> 1:41:19.200 hundred calories and the guy went through for the two 1:41:19.280 --> 1:41:21.040 of them. It is so I mean, it's it's a 1:41:21.080 --> 1:41:24.200 it's a meal replacement as much as it is, you know, 1:41:24.240 --> 1:41:30.880 a snack, but um, they are they are balanced fats, 1:41:30.880 --> 1:41:37.600 proteins and carbs across the board, and so it's a 1:41:37.640 --> 1:41:39.680 really well rounded and he has a cool story on 1:41:39.720 --> 1:41:42.240 the background. I'll probably butcher it if I try to 1:41:42.280 --> 1:41:44.400 tell you, yeah, because you know what, I was really 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:46.200 excited about it. But if there's a if it's a 1:41:46.240 --> 1:41:48.599 bar that has like the story written on the bag 1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:52.920 and it's it's nauseatingly cute. No no, no, it's not here. 1:41:53.000 --> 1:41:55.240 He's an ultra light guy. Okay, because now and then, 1:41:55.360 --> 1:41:57.479 like you'll read like every guy that came out with 1:41:57.520 --> 1:42:00.200 the bar, it feels like he's a put like a 1:42:00.320 --> 1:42:03.400 very cute see like why I make these bars or 1:42:03.520 --> 1:42:06.320 the marketing team that he picked up. Yeah, and so 1:42:06.400 --> 1:42:08.280 we'll sometimes sit around we don't have any books to 1:42:08.280 --> 1:42:11.639 be able to read those bar bags. And now it's 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:14.200 like it's like, oh my god, it's like a whole 1:42:14.280 --> 1:42:18.800 it's a whole other type of literature. Man. Yeah, it 1:42:18.880 --> 1:42:23.559 all started one old mom. I would like, just give 1:42:23.560 --> 1:42:28.400 me the bar bro so, no coffee, no vas, drink 1:42:28.400 --> 1:42:32.000 a little tea at night. Um, no, you're running cold. 1:42:32.000 --> 1:42:36.200 You're cold, camping cold, camping tough, little bastard, because it's 1:42:36.200 --> 1:42:41.920 not it's it's really not that bad, you know. Into it, 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:44.479 you're like, yeah, that's what I was gonna. I was 1:42:44.479 --> 1:42:46.720 just gonna bring that point up. You quickly get used 1:42:46.760 --> 1:42:49.640 to whatever situation you made. You get used to it. 1:42:49.760 --> 1:42:55.559 But at the same time you already bringing some fuel anyway. 1:42:55.800 --> 1:42:57.640 It's like a dinky bit more to be able to 1:42:57.680 --> 1:43:00.479 warm up your food at night. Yeah. Yeah, And not 1:43:00.560 --> 1:43:02.800 to say that I you know that I don't or 1:43:02.840 --> 1:43:04.840 that you know, if time allows that, you're in a 1:43:04.880 --> 1:43:09.360 good you know spot, but I plan on not doing it. Yeah. 1:43:09.400 --> 1:43:11.479 It's kind of as I go through a lot of times, 1:43:11.479 --> 1:43:18.800 we'll eat house, um right, pre evening glass session. Yeah, 1:43:19.360 --> 1:43:23.040 an early dinner like you might hit some like four o'clock. 1:43:23.320 --> 1:43:27.040 You might hit a four o'clock house, right, Yeah, and 1:43:27.080 --> 1:43:32.160 then yeah, like you said, it's late. It's kind of 1:43:32.160 --> 1:43:34.000 shady to go to bed on a full belly, so 1:43:34.080 --> 1:43:35.479 that way, and then you just have like you know, 1:43:35.880 --> 1:43:39.519 maybe another half a bar on your right at the tent. Yeah, 1:43:39.520 --> 1:43:41.640 we'll go out for an evening glass and session and 1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:45.320 actually grab some water, grab a stove, get up there 1:43:45.320 --> 1:43:50.479 and get settled in, have a sack of food, and 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:53.080 then kind of wrap up your couple hours of prime time. 1:43:53.680 --> 1:43:55.400 Then you just roll down and have a candy bar 1:43:55.520 --> 1:43:58.960 or something to go to bed. Yeah. That's some pleasurable 1:43:59.000 --> 1:44:02.040 evenings man. It is, you know, sitting behind the glass 1:44:02.080 --> 1:44:06.120 with with you know, your food and steaming up the limbs. Yeah, 1:44:06.200 --> 1:44:08.639 knowing that you're not going anywhere until like the one 1:44:08.680 --> 1:44:10.240 I at ten times, when all of a sudden you 1:44:10.280 --> 1:44:14.800 find what you're looking for and okay, drop everything. Yeah. 1:44:15.360 --> 1:44:19.040 So do you, um, when you're going on a long hunt, 1:44:19.160 --> 1:44:21.679 what do you what's your theory on binoculars and spot 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:26.040 and scope? I think it depends on the country. So 1:44:26.479 --> 1:44:30.400 when when I was hunting Alaska guy, I went very 1:44:30.479 --> 1:44:36.719 light weight on both, so I was ah, I wasn't 1:44:36.760 --> 1:44:41.479 as concerned with glass in Alaska as I am here 1:44:41.920 --> 1:44:44.760 in Montana on these hunts, just because picking out a 1:44:44.760 --> 1:44:47.439 white sheep on black rock is different than it is. Yeah, 1:44:47.520 --> 1:44:50.160 it is, and it's a little bit different. And and 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:56.519 you know, uh, I didn't feel confident shooting a ram 1:44:56.600 --> 1:44:58.439 on age, so I did. I didn't feel like I 1:44:58.439 --> 1:45:03.000 was going to be in a spot trying to count rings, um, 1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:06.240 And so yeah, I I would bring something lighter that 1:45:06.360 --> 1:45:08.839 was middle of the road on a spotting scope and 1:45:09.280 --> 1:45:11.880 just some lightweight binoculars. I had some little like a 1:45:12.479 --> 1:45:16.240 pocket binoculars and um, and you know, it was just 1:45:16.360 --> 1:45:18.880 enough to scan around as you moved, and it was 1:45:18.920 --> 1:45:20.559 just you know, it's just a different program. You're not 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:23.800 trying to pick sheep out of the timber. You're you're 1:45:24.080 --> 1:45:26.720 you're trying to make sure you know that you don't 1:45:26.760 --> 1:45:28.639 make a mistake when you come up over a ridge, 1:45:28.680 --> 1:45:30.760 so you know, a quick scan to make sure that 1:45:30.840 --> 1:45:33.639 you know you're not gonna be exposed. And and then 1:45:34.000 --> 1:45:36.960 once you got in a spot, your glassing was more organized, 1:45:37.000 --> 1:45:38.800 you had more time, you were getting a spot, you 1:45:38.920 --> 1:45:41.080 set up your spotting scope. You know, it's just much 1:45:41.120 --> 1:45:45.759 different than hunting through Montana, where your view is changing 1:45:45.800 --> 1:45:48.000 all the time and you're you're kind of always seemed 1:45:48.000 --> 1:45:50.599 to behind your glass make sure you don't blow something out, 1:45:51.280 --> 1:45:55.120 and so you know, but that being said, in Montana, um, 1:45:55.360 --> 1:45:58.280 this time, I'll be carrying a swarrow eighty five and 1:45:58.439 --> 1:46:00.599 you know, that's that's what I've carried on these hunts. 1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:03.240 And then go a little bit lighter on a big 1:46:03.320 --> 1:46:05.240 bruiser of a spot, in the big bruiser of a 1:46:05.280 --> 1:46:07.479 spotting and that's where I'm spending the majority of my 1:46:07.560 --> 1:46:10.479 time as I set the spotting scope to glass. And 1:46:10.520 --> 1:46:13.840 then really you just one eyeball it all day long. 1:46:14.520 --> 1:46:18.760 Yeah you don't get well, yeah, it gets old. But 1:46:19.880 --> 1:46:22.200 you know there's don't you feel like you'd be more 1:46:22.200 --> 1:46:26.960 effective just just running like a pair of tens or 1:46:26.960 --> 1:46:30.639 twelves and just picking off movement with a bigger field 1:46:30.640 --> 1:46:34.120 of view and more comfortable, less eyestrain. Yeah, yeah, I 1:46:34.120 --> 1:46:36.280 think when things are moving you probably would be. But 1:46:36.320 --> 1:46:38.240 the problem is you spend a lot of the day 1:46:38.479 --> 1:46:41.000 looking in spots where you're just trying to pick out 1:46:41.040 --> 1:46:44.679 anything and ear you know, a rump. You know, you're 1:46:44.680 --> 1:46:48.599 trying to find bedded animals as you move down through um, 1:46:49.640 --> 1:46:51.479 you know, say spend a lot of time in the timber. 1:46:51.840 --> 1:46:55.800 And so yeah, you're absolutely right. If if if you're 1:46:55.800 --> 1:46:57.960 glassing for things that are feeding in the evening and 1:46:57.960 --> 1:47:00.200 they're in the morning, something that's on the move, and 1:47:00.200 --> 1:47:02.160 you're trying to cover a lot of country, I think 1:47:02.200 --> 1:47:06.679 behind the perpon oculars would be way better. But and 1:47:06.680 --> 1:47:10.040 and it depends on the distance too. You know a 1:47:10.080 --> 1:47:12.640 lot of those canyons, you you might be glass and 1:47:13.240 --> 1:47:15.160 you know, close to a mile away trying to pick 1:47:15.200 --> 1:47:19.760 something out. And that's tough when you uh, when you 1:47:19.800 --> 1:47:23.160 were hunting doll sheep a lot were you did you 1:47:23.200 --> 1:47:25.519 spend a lot of time or did you just kind 1:47:25.520 --> 1:47:28.760 of skim through everything? I skim. I think that was 1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:30.720 the thing that I really liked about it was that 1:47:32.160 --> 1:47:34.720 it was it was a higher it was a lot 1:47:34.800 --> 1:47:38.719 higher paced. You know, you're you're just covering ground, and 1:47:39.400 --> 1:47:42.160 you know that was the key, covering ground, get into 1:47:42.160 --> 1:47:44.080 places that you can glass, you know, move to the 1:47:44.120 --> 1:47:47.679 next spot opposed to you know, when you're hunting these 1:47:47.720 --> 1:47:49.880 animals that are in the timber, you'll walk right by. 1:47:50.120 --> 1:47:57.120 I proved that. Yeah, so you know that story. Well, 1:47:57.240 --> 1:47:59.439 the same area I'm going into right now is the 1:47:59.560 --> 1:48:02.920 first place I hunted ten years ago, and I didn't 1:48:02.960 --> 1:48:07.800 see a sheep, and you know, and that's because I 1:48:07.840 --> 1:48:09.760 was I. I just hunted it like you know, like 1:48:09.800 --> 1:48:13.160 we did doll sheep. You know, try to get elevation, 1:48:13.320 --> 1:48:15.280 cover as much country as you can, spend the time 1:48:15.320 --> 1:48:19.720 through the glass and just systematically moved through areas. But 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:22.559 you couldn't. You had to spend a lot more time 1:48:22.560 --> 1:48:24.519 in one spot. I think if you if you want 1:48:24.520 --> 1:48:28.120 to find animals, and so you're saying you proved it 1:48:28.120 --> 1:48:31.960 by not finding what I proved it by not finding anything. Yeah, no, 1:48:32.439 --> 1:48:34.880 now knowing that they're probably were they were there, Oh 1:48:34.920 --> 1:48:38.880 I'm sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure I walked by sheep. 1:48:41.200 --> 1:48:44.639 How many? Uh what's your thoughts on a cubic inches 1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:47.040 for backpack because you got a plan on being able 1:48:47.080 --> 1:48:49.880 to pack that sheet back out? Yeah, well I think 1:48:49.920 --> 1:48:52.760 that that's that was kind of where my designs came 1:48:52.800 --> 1:48:56.120 from for backpacks, was not having to figure that out. 1:48:56.680 --> 1:49:00.360 So size your bag to the size of your gear. 1:49:01.479 --> 1:49:03.160 You don't you have to size it to the gear 1:49:03.160 --> 1:49:04.920 plus food if you don't want to because you can 1:49:04.960 --> 1:49:06.680 carry the gear in the load shelf, but now you 1:49:06.680 --> 1:49:09.160 always have the designated spot for the load shelf for 1:49:09.280 --> 1:49:12.680 the meat for your pack out meat and horns. So 1:49:14.200 --> 1:49:17.519 you know, instead of having to carry a seventy cubic 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:22.240 kinch bag, now maybe you only need to carry four 1:49:22.280 --> 1:49:24.679 thousand cubic you know, to fit all of your gear 1:49:24.720 --> 1:49:27.720 and food. And then you always know that you have 1:49:27.760 --> 1:49:31.160 that three thousand cubic inches a space designated when you 1:49:31.200 --> 1:49:33.400 separate the back away from the frame in the load shelf, 1:49:34.120 --> 1:49:37.320 and you don't have to worry about it. And you know, 1:49:37.360 --> 1:49:38.880 on the flip side, you can do the same thing 1:49:38.920 --> 1:49:41.240 which I've done, is to carry all the food in 1:49:41.320 --> 1:49:44.120 the load shelf in the in the same bag that 1:49:44.160 --> 1:49:47.080 you carry meat out in. And you know, as soon 1:49:47.120 --> 1:49:48.840 as you get to camp, everything is organized. You just 1:49:48.880 --> 1:49:52.080 pulled the bag out, take what you need, keep moving. 1:49:52.280 --> 1:49:55.360 Or you know, in in wilderness areas where you're required 1:49:55.360 --> 1:49:58.320 to sling the food in the tree, everything's already organized. 1:49:58.360 --> 1:50:00.840 You just pull it out, hut it up the tree, 1:50:01.200 --> 1:50:06.559 keep moving. Do you not bring a um? Do you 1:50:06.560 --> 1:50:09.840 not bring a trash bag liner? Because I don't? Yeah, 1:50:09.880 --> 1:50:14.040 because man like nothing keeps blood like there's no short 1:50:14.080 --> 1:50:16.840 of that nothing, He's blood out of everything. No, but 1:50:16.920 --> 1:50:18.439 that's why if you have it in the load shelf, 1:50:18.439 --> 1:50:20.880 you never worry about just let it go. Yeah, yeah, 1:50:20.920 --> 1:50:23.200 I mean that, and that's that's part of the design 1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:27.439 is the fact that the the load cell that you 1:50:27.600 --> 1:50:30.719 that you put the meat in, the blood can drain, 1:50:31.160 --> 1:50:33.439 so you don't get you know, especially in Alaska, I 1:50:33.439 --> 1:50:36.280 mean if you have sixties seventy eighty degree days, you 1:50:36.280 --> 1:50:38.800 get that coagulated blood in the bottom that the meat 1:50:38.840 --> 1:50:42.439 is just sitting and it's constantly moist, you know, just 1:50:43.560 --> 1:50:47.320 great place to grow bacteria and you know, taint meat. 1:50:47.960 --> 1:50:51.160 So you're allowing the meat to drain, just drain out 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:52.960 the bottom of the bag. And then you know, in 1:50:53.000 --> 1:50:54.760 between the bag and the frame, the back side of 1:50:54.800 --> 1:50:58.080 the bag is hydrophobic material xpacts, so you don't ever 1:50:58.120 --> 1:51:01.400 get any migration of the you know, have the blood 1:51:01.680 --> 1:51:05.400 or any sort of anything that can contaminate your your gear. 1:51:05.680 --> 1:51:09.720 So now you don't need that. Before you started the 1:51:10.080 --> 1:51:14.040 Stone Glacier, what was the backpacks you were messing around with? UM. 1:51:14.080 --> 1:51:18.320 I played with quite a few different ones, mostly the internals, 1:51:18.520 --> 1:51:21.639 so you know, I had some arc tereks I had 1:51:21.720 --> 1:51:29.040 some north face but just regular mountaineering bags. But you know, 1:51:29.560 --> 1:51:34.720 it was it wasn't long before I figured out that 1:51:35.240 --> 1:51:38.360 they just didn't quite have enough stability. You know. One, 1:51:38.479 --> 1:51:40.560 once you got a hundred plus pounds in them, you 1:51:40.680 --> 1:51:44.320 get a lot more roll and shift out. They didn't 1:51:44.320 --> 1:51:46.920 have as many compression straps as the hunting packs had, 1:51:46.960 --> 1:51:50.240 but they were lightweight, they were comfortable, and so that's 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:52.000 what I did a lot of a lot of hunting with. 1:51:52.200 --> 1:51:54.000 But there you're back in the same spot. Now you're 1:51:54.000 --> 1:51:59.040 putting the meat in there and right in there. So yeah, 1:51:59.160 --> 1:52:02.000 it creates a tough situation. Yeah, that's where you see 1:52:02.000 --> 1:52:04.120 the limitation of the pack because on those packs, you 1:52:04.160 --> 1:52:06.200 know what you're gonna be carrying, and you know it's 1:52:06.200 --> 1:52:08.960 only gonna get lighter. Yep, as you eat your food. 1:52:09.320 --> 1:52:13.760 There's never the thing of like, oh man, you know, yeah, 1:52:14.000 --> 1:52:16.920 what could happen if you get lucky? Yeah, and how 1:52:16.960 --> 1:52:21.400 that's gonna go? Yeah, and you're like trying to tie 1:52:21.479 --> 1:52:25.760 jump to the outside and just yeah, yeah it is 1:52:25.760 --> 1:52:28.840 a mess. That can be a mess. Yeah you don't 1:52:28.880 --> 1:52:31.479 but yeah, so that that's kind of the point is, 1:52:33.000 --> 1:52:35.280 is you know, size the bag to the gear and 1:52:35.320 --> 1:52:37.840 your food what you need at the time, and then 1:52:37.960 --> 1:52:41.160 let the low shelf silk everything else up. Yeah. How 1:52:41.160 --> 1:52:43.559 many how many rounds you bring with you? I usually 1:52:43.600 --> 1:52:49.120 bring about ten, so you're pretty heavy on rounds. Yeah. Yeah, 1:52:49.520 --> 1:52:52.559 and no, I think that we all we all realize 1:52:52.600 --> 1:52:56.559 that we run thirteen. I think there's just three because 1:52:56.560 --> 1:52:58.480 you got a few. You got a couple of the magazine. 1:52:58.520 --> 1:53:02.360 Three in the magazine and you grab one of those. Yeah, 1:53:02.360 --> 1:53:04.679 you grab a sleeve. And that's a really good point. 1:53:04.720 --> 1:53:06.519 I think we might have talked about this last time, 1:53:06.520 --> 1:53:08.559 and I think I might have said third team because 1:53:09.760 --> 1:53:11.880 I'm trying to remember if I was counting the ten 1:53:13.080 --> 1:53:18.880 total or ten and then three. So yeah, but I'm less. 1:53:19.520 --> 1:53:21.640 I usually just carry too whatever my gun is. I 1:53:21.760 --> 1:53:24.080 have like two mag's full. I like my gun full, 1:53:24.160 --> 1:53:26.280 and then I'll have enough in my pocket to reload. 1:53:26.400 --> 1:53:30.519 Here's my thinking. My thinking is that what's always in 1:53:30.520 --> 1:53:32.599 my head, it never doesn't happen, is that you're gonna 1:53:32.680 --> 1:53:36.400 fall bad m hm and be like, man, I gotta 1:53:36.439 --> 1:53:39.960 fire a couple rounds to check my zero. YEA have 1:53:40.080 --> 1:53:42.840 a problem there. You need to fire a couple more 1:53:43.240 --> 1:53:44.680 and then you're gonna have to shoot some rocks in 1:53:44.760 --> 1:53:47.960 front of a grizzly bear to scare them off, and 1:53:47.960 --> 1:53:50.200 then you're gonna be like, dude, I only got two rounds. 1:53:51.360 --> 1:53:54.760 What if something goes wrong? Right? So that's kind of like, oh, 1:53:54.840 --> 1:53:56.200 how I think about it? And I always like trying 1:53:56.200 --> 1:53:58.200 to keep them, always put them a couple different places. 1:53:58.240 --> 1:54:00.880 Like I'll put a couple of my magazine, I stick 1:54:00.920 --> 1:54:03.400 one of my binal harness, and then I put my 1:54:03.439 --> 1:54:07.640 other one somewhere else. So I sort of have like 1:54:07.640 --> 1:54:12.240 like a system, like a redundancy system. If I remember, right, 1:54:12.280 --> 1:54:15.080 you're the one that you're running three wind right for 1:54:15.200 --> 1:54:18.679 sheep ill At the time, I was running a three 1:54:18.760 --> 1:54:24.720 seventy eight weather be in a Flaska. So if you 1:54:24.840 --> 1:54:27.720 lightened up your yeah, yeah, I have a I have 1:54:27.760 --> 1:54:31.840 a three weather be now a lot of medicine for 1:54:31.880 --> 1:54:37.320 a sheep it is. But boy, you know, with with 1:54:37.400 --> 1:54:41.080 these v l d s and just the accuracy and 1:54:41.200 --> 1:54:43.080 you know the lack of wind drift and the energy 1:54:43.120 --> 1:54:47.240 that it carries down range. Right, Yeah, you're very shot 1:54:47.280 --> 1:54:50.480 long range. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't shoot 1:54:50.520 --> 1:54:54.080 too far. Uh, you know, conditions would have to be 1:54:54.200 --> 1:54:59.200 just right. But what's too far? I think it depends 1:54:59.200 --> 1:55:05.040 on the conditions. Now, in the perfect conditions, you're feeling good. 1:55:05.320 --> 1:55:08.480 I think in the perfect conditions, no wind, you know, 1:55:08.640 --> 1:55:13.720 I feel I feel confident out to six hundred yeah, um, 1:55:13.800 --> 1:55:18.000 you know I've shot help at that range before the 1:55:18.040 --> 1:55:20.040 sheep I got down there before it was at four d. 1:55:20.920 --> 1:55:24.120 All confident with that, so yeah, I mean, if everything's right, 1:55:24.440 --> 1:55:26.480 but I think that that's where it plays in. You know, 1:55:26.560 --> 1:55:30.680 you have to make that call. What are the gear 1:55:30.760 --> 1:55:35.520 categories we got for like bagpack, hunts man, Uh, we 1:55:35.560 --> 1:55:39.200 haven't touched on track and poles? You carry track and pole? 1:55:39.720 --> 1:55:43.440 I do? I I carry it that um Petzel used 1:55:43.480 --> 1:55:45.640 to make us. They call it a snow scopic, so 1:55:45.720 --> 1:55:50.040 it's yeah, yeah, I carry that and then typically one 1:55:50.200 --> 1:55:55.200 trucking pole, so you carry that snowstopic like this even 1:55:55.240 --> 1:55:59.480 now yeah down here, yeah, well in sheep hunts I do. 1:55:59.640 --> 1:56:02.840 It's it's just so handy to have around, you know, 1:56:02.920 --> 1:56:06.360 just because you know clearing out rocks are trying to 1:56:06.360 --> 1:56:10.200 get a campsite ready or um you know, if I mean, 1:56:10.240 --> 1:56:13.120 if you just find if you can find a wet 1:56:13.160 --> 1:56:15.440 spot in the hill where you where you have some 1:56:15.520 --> 1:56:17.920 moisture coming out, you can dig in there and get 1:56:17.960 --> 1:56:20.000 a puddle and just you know, come back a couple 1:56:20.040 --> 1:56:22.000 of hours later, and you know a lot of times 1:56:22.000 --> 1:56:24.200 you'll have you'll have water that you can get to. 1:56:24.440 --> 1:56:27.560 So I just just having that little bit of an 1:56:27.560 --> 1:56:32.440 ice axe, is it's I found it a real useful tool. Mhmm. 1:56:33.200 --> 1:56:35.400 You just told in your hand. Yeah, you just use 1:56:35.480 --> 1:56:40.680 it just like a just like a trucking. Yeah. Yeah, 1:56:40.760 --> 1:56:42.640 it's funny you mention that because I remember like hunting 1:56:42.680 --> 1:56:45.120 sheep digging through rock piles trying to find water. You 1:56:45.120 --> 1:56:47.720 can hear it, Yeah, the cat drives you crazy, man. 1:56:47.760 --> 1:56:49.520 You can hear it down there somewhere, you know, but 1:56:49.600 --> 1:56:53.080 you just can't do it out you can't get to. Yeah. 1:56:53.240 --> 1:56:55.360 It's kind of maddening, man, because you're like, dude, we 1:56:55.360 --> 1:56:56.840 could save a lot of walk and if we can 1:56:56.880 --> 1:57:01.360 find where this water is deep underground. Yeah, Curts telling 1:57:01.400 --> 1:57:04.680 me when we shut down for a second earlier, Um 1:57:04.720 --> 1:57:06.520 about a good little trick with track and poles. Is 1:57:06.520 --> 1:57:09.600 taking this double sided velcro. It's got like the hook 1:57:09.600 --> 1:57:13.800 and loop on one side and then the no, I'm sorry, 1:57:13.960 --> 1:57:16.160 that is the hook right is the hard part and 1:57:16.200 --> 1:57:19.920 the loop is the soft part. But anyways, just wrapping it, 1:57:20.040 --> 1:57:22.240 you know, like two thirds of the way up, wrapping 1:57:22.240 --> 1:57:25.280 your two poles together and then just exit them and 1:57:25.960 --> 1:57:30.800 unbelievable shooting rests for shooting rest yeah, yeah, you bring 1:57:30.800 --> 1:57:35.760 your tripod. I do. Yeah, but my tripod you know, 1:57:35.800 --> 1:57:37.480 it's kind of back to the same thing that we 1:57:37.480 --> 1:57:41.800 were talking about with layers and um. You know, my 1:57:41.880 --> 1:57:45.000 tripods set up with pick tenny rail so I can 1:57:45.040 --> 1:57:47.600 put my I can shoot off of it. It'll touch 1:57:47.680 --> 1:57:50.680 to have a pic tiny rail on my on my rifle. 1:57:50.840 --> 1:57:53.080 I have one on my spotting scope. I have a 1:57:53.080 --> 1:57:56.440 little adapter for my camera, so you know, everything will 1:57:56.480 --> 1:58:02.800 slide right into the one piece. So and it's the 1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:06.600 it'll adjust from nine inches up to fifty four inches, 1:58:07.320 --> 1:58:10.680 so you know, it gives you a wide range. What's 1:58:10.680 --> 1:58:14.440 the tripod way, it's right at two pounds. Yeah, my 1:58:14.520 --> 1:58:17.000 tripods happy. But I little bit man. Yeah, I think 1:58:17.000 --> 1:58:19.240 that that's and that's a tough thing because you know, 1:58:19.320 --> 1:58:22.560 my the spotting scope weighs over four pounds I think 1:58:22.600 --> 1:58:25.760 four pounds four ounces or something, So it's a heavy 1:58:25.800 --> 1:58:28.400 spotting scope for a small tripod, so you can't get 1:58:28.440 --> 1:58:30.480 it too high in the air. But you know, typically 1:58:30.520 --> 1:58:35.920 in those conditions you're glassing, you're you're on an angled piece, 1:58:35.960 --> 1:58:37.880 so you know, on an angled hill, so you can 1:58:37.920 --> 1:58:40.840 set the tripod right between your legs and it's an 1:58:40.840 --> 1:58:42.920 angled eye piece, so it just sits right here in 1:58:42.920 --> 1:58:45.320 your chest, so you know, it's not you don't have 1:58:45.400 --> 1:58:47.680 to get it up real high. So it's a different 1:58:47.720 --> 1:58:50.600 program than I think. If so, if you're out, you know, 1:58:50.640 --> 1:58:52.600 trying to find meal here and had to get up 1:58:52.600 --> 1:58:56.360 above the stage rush and had to have a tall spotting, let'scope, right, 1:58:58.640 --> 1:59:01.840 you don't get any shake, you feel without lightweight tripod, 1:59:02.320 --> 1:59:04.960 not not if I keep it low. If I keep 1:59:04.960 --> 1:59:08.120 it low, and and you know normally you're kind of 1:59:08.160 --> 1:59:10.080 just right there on top of it, so you're blocking 1:59:10.120 --> 1:59:12.880 the wind. But yeah, you know that's it's not as 1:59:12.880 --> 1:59:16.600 stable as you know, carrying a four or five pound tripod, 1:59:16.880 --> 1:59:19.680 that's for certain. Yeah, I think my head and legs 1:59:19.800 --> 1:59:22.840 come in right just shy at four pounds? Are they 1:59:22.880 --> 1:59:26.280 really that heavy? Yeah? How how the hell heavy is mine? 1:59:26.320 --> 1:59:28.160 I wonder? Is this is roughly the same? Might be 1:59:28.240 --> 1:59:30.800 a little bit more, man, I like that thing. Yeah, 1:59:31.000 --> 1:59:33.680 I love it. It's quality life issue. Man, Let's see, 1:59:33.760 --> 1:59:36.280 that's it. That's it like being able to do some 1:59:36.320 --> 1:59:38.880 power glass and you know, or just like everything's right. 1:59:39.160 --> 1:59:43.520 Yeah yeah yeah. If your glass is not steady, it's 1:59:43.520 --> 1:59:47.240 hard to hard to stay in the game the game. 1:59:47.600 --> 1:59:52.160 Do you bring a Do you bring um a tart 1:59:52.200 --> 1:59:56.840 beside your tent? No? I don't. Sometimes we do, but 1:59:56.960 --> 2:00:01.000 for this I wouldn't. Yeah know, because for this, I 2:00:01.040 --> 2:00:02.920 feel like the tent is always going to be with 2:00:02.960 --> 2:00:06.880 me or pretty darn close. Usually the tarp combs with me. 2:00:06.920 --> 2:00:09.000 If we're making like a base camp, I know we're 2:00:09.000 --> 2:00:12.320 gonna be out for the day. Yeah. Does the guy 2:00:12.440 --> 2:00:16.080 that you checked, the pilot we're flying in with he 2:00:16.120 --> 2:00:18.800 doesn't let you have canisters? Or does he does? He does? 2:00:21.000 --> 2:00:23.360 How could that be like a thing that they probably 2:00:23.360 --> 2:00:25.480 should't talk about because maybe he's not fools too. I 2:00:25.520 --> 2:00:28.160 don't know the f A rules. I don't know either. 2:00:29.440 --> 2:00:34.240 You bring pepper spray? No? And you're in grizz country wow? 2:00:34.280 --> 2:00:36.800 And no pistol either. Oh you have your rife? Have 2:00:36.920 --> 2:00:42.960 my rifle? Yeah? No spray? No spray? Times are changing, man, Yeah? Yeah, 2:00:43.040 --> 2:00:45.000 don't you feel like they're getting thicker by the day 2:00:45.040 --> 2:00:49.240 around here. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh. I think we proved 2:00:49.320 --> 2:00:51.840 that every fall with all the encounters that happened just 2:00:51.920 --> 2:00:58.120 ending around Gallaton County doing that. The Madison's h multiple 2:00:58.200 --> 2:01:00.880 encounters every year. When that big sumby comes from you, 2:01:05.040 --> 2:01:07.680 I guess, yeah, your rivals gonna leaning against a tree 2:01:07.800 --> 2:01:12.800 man way leaving against. I never leaved behind. I got 2:01:12.840 --> 2:01:15.120 caught in Alaska one time, going down to the river 2:01:15.200 --> 2:01:18.880 to wash fought out. Yeah, I got called by bear. Yeah, 2:01:19.080 --> 2:01:20.720 turned around and there was a bear on the other 2:01:20.720 --> 2:01:24.000 side of my tent, probably forty yards away. Yeah. My 2:01:24.120 --> 2:01:27.880 rifle was laying up there. Yeah. Luckily he just kept 2:01:27.920 --> 2:01:31.640 on no, he while he dropped down and started eight. 2:01:31.760 --> 2:01:34.920 I mean, he wasn't charging. I don't know what he 2:01:35.000 --> 2:01:36.720 was doing, but he was running at me, and he 2:01:36.760 --> 2:01:39.720 was looking at me. And then he stopped at about 2:01:39.800 --> 2:01:42.160 twenty yards and as soon as he ran towards me. 2:01:42.240 --> 2:01:43.680 I know, they say you're not supposed to run, but 2:01:43.720 --> 2:01:46.200 I you know, I ran towards my rifle. You know, 2:01:46.240 --> 2:01:47.920 they're like, there was only a couple of things. I 2:01:47.920 --> 2:01:49.800 was running towards him. He was running towards me, and 2:01:49.840 --> 2:01:53.960 he stopped about twenty yards and stood up, and right 2:01:54.000 --> 2:01:56.000 about time I got to my rifle and he was 2:01:56.040 --> 2:01:58.000 just trying to catch when. I just don't think he 2:01:58.080 --> 2:02:01.320 knew what was going on, but there was no doubt 2:02:01.360 --> 2:02:06.080 that had he chose that he wanted me, he would 2:02:06.080 --> 2:02:09.000 have had me. And uh, yeah, I just kind of 2:02:09.040 --> 2:02:11.520 felt lucky figured to keep it a little closer. That's 2:02:11.520 --> 2:02:15.040 the point of the story. My brothers were hunting doll 2:02:15.080 --> 2:02:19.960 sheet and uh, They're sitting there by their tent and 2:02:20.000 --> 2:02:21.680 all of a sudden, up over the hill comes tearing 2:02:21.720 --> 2:02:24.760 at him. A wolf comes tearing at him, like, you know, 2:02:24.920 --> 2:02:27.760 first like what in the world, but then like over 2:02:27.800 --> 2:02:30.480 the hill because he's running because it's a grizz hot 2:02:30.560 --> 2:02:34.000 on his trail. Man. And then they both saw him 2:02:34.000 --> 2:02:37.840 and spun off in different directions. But yeah, that stuff 2:02:37.880 --> 2:02:41.720 can catch you by surprise, man. Yeah, for sure. So 2:02:41.800 --> 2:02:44.760 no pistol, no spray. I don't you know, for many, many, 2:02:44.800 --> 2:02:47.880 many years I did the same thing. But now after 2:02:47.960 --> 2:02:50.400 having like after you know, now I just don't think 2:02:50.440 --> 2:02:53.480 that I don't think that the rifles really I think 2:02:53.680 --> 2:02:56.280 there's certain times when the rifles reliable. But when you 2:02:56.280 --> 2:02:57.680 sit there and you got a load of meat and 2:02:57.680 --> 2:02:59.680 you got your rifle tied to the back of your 2:02:59.680 --> 2:03:01.600 back backpack. But you might as well not even have 2:03:01.680 --> 2:03:04.360 that something, bitch man. Yeah, it doesn't happen like that. 2:03:05.840 --> 2:03:10.920 It's it's generally in my hand most times. You use 2:03:10.960 --> 2:03:17.920 a sling though, Yeah, yeah, they use a sling sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, 2:03:17.960 --> 2:03:20.120 but if it's a tight area, you should have it 2:03:20.120 --> 2:03:22.840 in my hands, you know, if I can't see, if 2:03:22.880 --> 2:03:27.840 I can't it's dark because of getting mal scratched. I 2:03:27.840 --> 2:03:30.160 don't know, it's like a security blanket. Yeah. No, I 2:03:30.240 --> 2:03:32.040 know what you're saying. Just happy you're walking around with 2:03:32.040 --> 2:03:36.000 it in your hand. Anything we haven't touched on bad 2:03:36.040 --> 2:03:40.560 country long hunt gear. Uh, you know. The only other 2:03:40.600 --> 2:03:43.360 thing that I was thinking about is just how when 2:03:43.440 --> 2:03:47.760 you're hunting with a partner, how your your gear. Your 2:03:47.800 --> 2:03:51.360 gear choice can change because me and my bro we'll 2:03:51.400 --> 2:03:53.840 each have to only carry half. One guy carries the 2:03:53.880 --> 2:03:57.880 steaks and poles and the other guy carries the tent body. Yeah, 2:03:58.000 --> 2:04:01.360 which is nice. One spot and scope, one spotting scope exactly, 2:04:01.480 --> 2:04:05.280 one dry pod, one stove. Yeah. I don't know if 2:04:05.280 --> 2:04:08.120 I'm brave enough to do one rifle. We've done it. 2:04:08.440 --> 2:04:15.560 We've done it. It's like, give me that rifle my turn. Yeah, no, 2:04:15.720 --> 2:04:20.840 we've done that. One guy has one rifle. You don't 2:04:20.840 --> 2:04:24.440 think anything about it. Yeah, well no, I know who. 2:04:24.560 --> 2:04:26.920 Uh my dad had a cheap tag last year and 2:04:26.960 --> 2:04:29.800 we had talked about it and he said, I'll just 2:04:29.880 --> 2:04:31.760 I'll just bring my rifle. You don't have to carry yours. 2:04:31.800 --> 2:04:33.880 And I said, I'll just bring it just in case. 2:04:33.920 --> 2:04:36.480 Where we got in the hell of a snowstorm and 2:04:37.360 --> 2:04:39.240 we thought we knew were these sheep where And when 2:04:39.240 --> 2:04:41.920 we finally came up, they had moved up closer to us, 2:04:42.000 --> 2:04:45.480 and it happened really quick, and he took his he 2:04:45.560 --> 2:04:50.280 took his his rifle off, his slang and his scope 2:04:50.320 --> 2:04:53.600 caps were gone and it was just plugged filled with 2:04:53.680 --> 2:04:58.440 snow and everything was and unfortunately I had my rifle, 2:04:58.480 --> 2:05:00.720 everything was set handed it to him. Yeah he had 2:05:00.760 --> 2:05:04.720 the shot, but we had just his rifle. I don't 2:05:04.720 --> 2:05:07.240 know that it would have happened. Did you like scope caps? 2:05:08.720 --> 2:05:13.920 You know? I have I have a scope coat on 2:05:14.400 --> 2:05:19.840 the mind now new yprene a neoprene because uh, you know, 2:05:20.640 --> 2:05:23.680 all my scopes have the turrets on them, and so 2:05:23.880 --> 2:05:26.680 you know, it's just It's just another nice protection you 2:05:26.680 --> 2:05:30.520 don't accidentally get, you know, anything turned or just kind 2:05:30.520 --> 2:05:34.000 of tighter program. I've messed around with every I feel 2:05:34.000 --> 2:05:36.320 like I'm messed around with every scope cap on the plant. Man. 2:05:36.360 --> 2:05:40.840 I just think a neoprene a neoprene cover. You like 2:05:40.920 --> 2:05:45.080 the caps, don't you. I've donald you've used them in 2:05:45.080 --> 2:05:49.840 the past. Um, but yeah, I'm a neoprene scope cover guy. 2:05:49.920 --> 2:05:51.760 Now I've spent a lot of years like when they 2:05:51.760 --> 2:05:54.000 first started coming out, you know, and like Butler Creek 2:05:54.040 --> 2:05:56.040 had those ones and the springs that break and the 2:05:56.040 --> 2:05:58.240 pins that fall out, and you'll be trying to find 2:05:58.240 --> 2:06:02.240 the parts yeah uh in the snow or whatever. And 2:06:02.280 --> 2:06:05.360 now just like it's just like it's like an infallibility 2:06:05.400 --> 2:06:08.800 to a neoprene cover. Yeah, yeah, there definitely as you know, 2:06:09.280 --> 2:06:12.680 another nice scope cover that I've used though, is uh 2:06:12.880 --> 2:06:16.320 night Force sends out. They're kind of almost a rubber 2:06:16.680 --> 2:06:20.880 one that that goes on and that that's the only 2:06:20.960 --> 2:06:23.640 single piece one that I've used, And I actually really 2:06:23.680 --> 2:06:25.800 like that one. Yeah, but I don't I don't know 2:06:25.840 --> 2:06:27.600 who makes it other than them. I just use the 2:06:27.680 --> 2:06:30.080 I mean, just like a just a general like vortexes 2:06:30.160 --> 2:06:33.640 has a general neoprene one you yep, pull over and 2:06:33.680 --> 2:06:35.960 it's pretty good. Man. You know, for a while, I 2:06:36.000 --> 2:06:38.280 got so burned out on sculpe covers. We went we'd 2:06:38.320 --> 2:06:40.440 go down to the hardware store and get like PVC 2:06:41.920 --> 2:06:43.960 and and caught it. So you had the kind of 2:06:44.040 --> 2:06:46.960 had the reducer and so you could a POxy in 2:06:47.840 --> 2:06:52.560 a piece of plexiglass in there and then use bungee cord. 2:06:53.640 --> 2:06:55.280 Oh yeah, and then you had like a one pound 2:06:55.360 --> 2:07:00.360 sculpe cover that was indestructible, man, indestructible. And um brother 2:07:00.440 --> 2:07:02.280 made up a batch of those. We use those from Wow. 2:07:02.280 --> 2:07:03.840 And now I just use like the near prent cover 2:07:03.920 --> 2:07:05.600 and you just gotta be careful not to leave it land. 2:07:06.000 --> 2:07:07.440 It's actually the kind of thing you can bring too 2:07:07.480 --> 2:07:12.200 of because like literally ways, I would say, like literally nothing, 2:07:12.760 --> 2:07:15.080 Yeah they are you could grab you could you could 2:07:15.120 --> 2:07:19.000 justify sticking the extra one in your kid, yep, your 2:07:19.040 --> 2:07:21.880 little gear kid, Dude. I'm excited how to go home 2:07:21.880 --> 2:07:23.360 and go through all my junk. Man, I kind of 2:07:23.360 --> 2:07:27.800 got a whole day set aside to pack. Something will 2:07:27.840 --> 2:07:29.480 come up, and I think something will come up when 2:07:29.480 --> 2:07:31.120 I will get messed up. But right I think it's 2:07:31.120 --> 2:07:34.040 one of the funnest, funnest portions of you know, kidding 2:07:34.160 --> 2:07:38.000 ready anticipation, your gear and the planning. If it's not 2:07:38.280 --> 2:07:40.440 part of this process, as long as it's not rushed, 2:07:40.520 --> 2:07:42.280 but long as like you got young kids, you can't 2:07:42.280 --> 2:07:47.520 focus on anything. No, no, it's pretty accurate. Five and seven. Yeah, 2:07:47.560 --> 2:07:49.600 I got one of each of those. Well five and 2:07:49.640 --> 2:07:53.920 eight you can't focus. Oh no, it's after bedtime. That's 2:07:53.960 --> 2:07:58.760 when that happens. Gear the gear messing. Yeah, the gear messing. 2:07:59.120 --> 2:08:00.720 But when you can do it right, you're not just 2:08:00.760 --> 2:08:03.640 cramming stuff in a bag. It's pretty fun, man, it is. 2:08:03.720 --> 2:08:06.480 Get your gear dial you're thinking about it now, Yanni 2:08:06.520 --> 2:08:08.800 can't really get packed properly because your house is torn 2:08:08.840 --> 2:08:12.480 and a half. Yeah, well, luckily my little basement corner 2:08:12.880 --> 2:08:16.640 where my little zone is, um my little man cave 2:08:16.800 --> 2:08:21.240 zone down there. It's it's it's kept up, it's it's neatness. 2:08:21.280 --> 2:08:22.840 So I don't think you should call it a man 2:08:22.880 --> 2:08:26.360 cave because it's functional. Oh, man caves aren't functional. No, 2:08:26.520 --> 2:08:28.720 it's like place where people go to watch TV. Yeah, 2:08:28.720 --> 2:08:31.360 I hear you, you're right, But I think originally a 2:08:31.360 --> 2:08:33.800 man cave was usually in the garage, like that's the 2:08:33.840 --> 2:08:36.040 original man. Then it became a thing like then man 2:08:36.080 --> 2:08:39.360 caves got messed up, or man caves also became things. 2:08:39.520 --> 2:08:42.480 They became places where like you go down to be lazy. 2:08:42.880 --> 2:08:44.440 It should be a place where you go to like 2:08:44.480 --> 2:08:48.000 get your stuff dialed. Yeah, right, but it became a 2:08:48.040 --> 2:08:51.080 thing where you like got big couches and TVs and 2:08:51.080 --> 2:08:52.880 it's like this a place you got to be lazy 2:08:53.000 --> 2:08:55.560 while your wife's being lazy upstairs. Yeah, like in your 2:08:55.600 --> 2:08:58.040 basement or your kids allowed in that room that weird 2:08:58.200 --> 2:09:05.000 podcasting in U No, Yeah, like that little zone of mine. 2:09:05.320 --> 2:09:07.640 I mean a lot of it is safety, right, Like 2:09:07.680 --> 2:09:09.880 they're shipping there that they can get hurt with, you know, 2:09:11.440 --> 2:09:16.080 sharp things as well as you know other things. But yeah, 2:09:16.520 --> 2:09:19.160 like they're just not allowed to be in that zone. 2:09:19.520 --> 2:09:22.280 So that's why it's like the man cave, right, I 2:09:22.280 --> 2:09:27.000 think you'd call it the man zone. Yeah. But look 2:09:27.040 --> 2:09:28.880 if my gal, you know, I mean there's a bunch 2:09:28.880 --> 2:09:30.960 of tools and stuff in there too, So my gal 2:09:31.080 --> 2:09:34.160 needs anything out of there, She's more than welcome as 2:09:34.200 --> 2:09:36.520 long as he gets put back in the right spot. Yeah, 2:09:36.520 --> 2:09:38.080 Because I do a lot of fixing down there too, 2:09:38.120 --> 2:09:40.120 and one of the kids things breaks. I go to 2:09:40.160 --> 2:09:43.560 the same zone that I pack in to repair, to 2:09:43.680 --> 2:09:47.440 glue their ship back together, you know, to fix stuff. 2:09:48.320 --> 2:09:51.240 But it's kind of like mostly my garage set up, 2:09:51.800 --> 2:09:53.680 Like I'm not set up for like ranching on old 2:09:53.680 --> 2:09:55.360 tractors and ship you know what I mean. I'm set 2:09:55.400 --> 2:09:58.600 up for like working on the outdoor gear. Yeah, I'm 2:09:58.600 --> 2:10:01.480 like my primary thing, like I'm rigged for gear. Yeah. 2:10:01.640 --> 2:10:04.240 I can mount a rifle scupe yeah. So yeah, stuff 2:10:04.240 --> 2:10:05.760 like that. That's saying, you know, I don't have like 2:10:05.800 --> 2:10:08.280 a three quarter inch drive ratchets down there and stuff 2:10:08.320 --> 2:10:12.440 like that for you know, like rebuilding some alice chalmers 2:10:12.520 --> 2:10:14.600 or something. You know, it's just not what I'm it's 2:10:14.640 --> 2:10:18.280 not where I'm at when it comes to tool and 2:10:18.280 --> 2:10:19.480 and you're the only guy you know that has a 2:10:19.480 --> 2:10:23.440 big sewing machine in his gear room. Yeah. Yeah, that's 2:10:23.440 --> 2:10:26.600 a rarity, it is, that's next level. It is. It's fun. 2:10:30.120 --> 2:10:32.080 I knew one other guy to add that. I don't 2:10:32.080 --> 2:10:35.840 know if it was in his man zone, but old man, 2:10:36.280 --> 2:10:38.320 I hope you're listening. I hope you're still alive. But 2:10:38.360 --> 2:10:40.320 there's a chance that he might not be alive, but 2:10:40.800 --> 2:10:43.840 he might be dead. Donnie the wild Man, uh oh, 2:10:43.880 --> 2:10:45.360 I've heard a lot of stories about this guy. His 2:10:45.520 --> 2:10:48.320 last name though, it's Yeah, because he sewed into his 2:10:48.400 --> 2:10:50.720 vast pistol holder. Well you know, it was like a 2:10:50.800 --> 2:10:53.840 leather jacket, you know, not like a biker, kind of 2:10:53.880 --> 2:10:56.720 like a biker. Yeah, I guess you could have if 2:10:56.720 --> 2:10:58.200 you have just seen him Donnie on the street, you 2:10:58.240 --> 2:11:00.200 could have thought that he was getting rid of jump 2:11:00.280 --> 2:11:03.040 on a Harley. But yeah, he had all kinds that 2:11:03.160 --> 2:11:06.080 he had, like a special pocket for like cigarettes, probably 2:11:06.120 --> 2:11:11.560 had another pocket for the second pack of cigarettes, for 2:11:11.600 --> 2:11:15.040 a coke can in there, and yeah, for his giant 2:11:15.120 --> 2:11:17.880 forty four mag He's one of those like I think 2:11:17.880 --> 2:11:20.440 it was the Rocky Mountain Special, remember that one. It's 2:11:20.480 --> 2:11:24.000 like the even the cylinder had no grooves cut out 2:11:24.040 --> 2:11:30.240 of it, so it's like added weight heavy and yeah, 2:11:30.280 --> 2:11:33.680 you think the pockets sewn in for that thing. Um. 2:11:33.720 --> 2:11:35.840 But he was like that. He was he was a 2:11:35.880 --> 2:11:38.360 guy that got like tinkered with stuff. Yeah, you probably 2:11:38.360 --> 2:11:40.560 would have got along with him. He just like they 2:11:40.560 --> 2:11:42.520 called him the wild man, right, but I remember him. 2:11:42.840 --> 2:11:45.960 He was saying at nighttime he would do nothing to 2:11:45.960 --> 2:11:50.120 prepare for bed. Yeah, he would just lay down a 2:11:50.120 --> 2:11:53.400 lot of times too. He didn't sleep and wake up 2:11:53.440 --> 2:11:56.800 and again prepared for bed. He put his cigarette out 2:11:59.000 --> 2:12:00.920 and lay down and then he way back up and 2:12:00.920 --> 2:12:06.879 his lighted. Yeah, light, crack of coke go and everything. 2:12:07.080 --> 2:12:09.280 He would be like, can't use that bunk. Now there's 2:12:09.320 --> 2:12:11.880 dying bull. There's no ship there, there's no sleep bag. Yet, 2:12:12.080 --> 2:12:14.200 dying doesn't need any of that stuff. I remember him 2:12:14.200 --> 2:12:16.520 buying like a brand new Arctic Cat. You know, I 2:12:16.560 --> 2:12:19.400 don't know how those things are five dollars, right, I 2:12:19.400 --> 2:12:23.000 don't know how much brand new nice thing. By the 2:12:23.000 --> 2:12:25.480 time I got to see it in his garage, the 2:12:25.560 --> 2:12:28.720 seats ripped off. It's been chopped in half. The um 2:12:28.840 --> 2:12:30.320 he's got like the whole like I don't know what 2:12:30.400 --> 2:12:32.320 you call it, but like the thing that metal piece 2:12:32.360 --> 2:12:34.960 that goes around the seat where you like put your 2:12:34.960 --> 2:12:37.280 feet on and it kind of extends behind the seat, 2:12:37.480 --> 2:12:40.400 and he's just drilling holes through it because he was 2:12:40.480 --> 2:12:42.560 lightning the whole thing. So it had a seat that 2:12:42.760 --> 2:12:45.720 like you could just fit like maybe two people on. 2:12:45.800 --> 2:12:47.480 Well he cut it down to a seat to fit 2:12:47.560 --> 2:12:50.200 a half a person. The whole thing was full of holes, 2:12:50.240 --> 2:12:52.560 you know, and so and he sowed a new leather 2:12:52.640 --> 2:12:55.120 seat to fit this. You know. So he had skills, 2:12:56.040 --> 2:12:57.480 but he was the wild man. And did it look 2:12:57.520 --> 2:12:59.280 good or did it look like someone was happening on 2:13:00.200 --> 2:13:03.080 look good? Yeah, my old man hung out with guys. 2:13:03.800 --> 2:13:06.360 They were like they were gear tinkers. But it wasn't 2:13:06.360 --> 2:13:08.160 like they were trying to make ship light for wanding 2:13:08.200 --> 2:13:10.280 around in the mountains for a week at a time. 2:13:10.400 --> 2:13:14.920 They were they were tinkers like um, making your own 2:13:14.960 --> 2:13:20.200 ice fish and shanties, making your own charcoal grills, you know, 2:13:20.280 --> 2:13:24.240 but any kind of like building stuff, right, like building 2:13:24.280 --> 2:13:26.560 outdoor equipment of big ship. So these guys were at 2:13:26.560 --> 2:13:28.720 the thing where they had like welders and stuff, you know, 2:13:29.520 --> 2:13:32.360 or smelters or you know, I mean like weird kind 2:13:32.400 --> 2:13:34.560 of stuff. But there's this thing that makes people want 2:13:34.560 --> 2:13:39.000 to go and mess with something. I never look at uh, 2:13:39.120 --> 2:13:40.280 you know, I never look at me like, man, I'm 2:13:40.280 --> 2:13:44.000 gonna go to devise some new way to like key 2:13:44.000 --> 2:13:47.360 to ice shanty, right. But I think there's people have 2:13:47.400 --> 2:13:49.440 a proclivity, right, they have a tendency to want to 2:13:49.480 --> 2:13:54.120 go jury rig stuff. Do you know that jury rigg 2:13:54.160 --> 2:13:59.360 and Jerry rigor interchangeable m you knew that kitty corner 2:13:59.400 --> 2:14:05.280 caddy corner. No one knows what one's right. Yeah, what 2:14:05.320 --> 2:14:07.080 do you think about that? Kurt? Is that an east 2:14:07.080 --> 2:14:09.320 coast west coast thing? I don't think so. I don't 2:14:09.360 --> 2:14:13.160 know tomato tomato things. Yeah, in the other final wells, 2:14:13.240 --> 2:14:15.440 yeah no, because it's different the pronunciations, right down to 2:14:15.480 --> 2:14:22.280 the spelling catty corner and kitty corner. Um. Nothing hunt 2:14:22.320 --> 2:14:25.200 with a partner. You were saying, Oh, yeah, no, I 2:14:25.240 --> 2:14:28.160 think I think you hit on that, just that change 2:14:28.200 --> 2:14:31.560 of stuff. But you're a solo man. Yeah. How many 2:14:31.560 --> 2:14:37.520 sheet punks you done by yourself? I don't know actually, um, 2:14:37.560 --> 2:14:45.400 but yeah, probably you know for since it's two thousand. Yeah, 2:14:45.880 --> 2:14:48.560 just a bad mofo out winding around the mountains by 2:14:48.600 --> 2:14:56.560 yourself at dinnertime. No, no hogging his rifle all night. 2:14:57.080 --> 2:14:59.320 It's just that of necessity, you know, when you're when 2:14:59.320 --> 2:15:03.160 you're in cold grab, when you when you're taking those 2:15:03.200 --> 2:15:06.000 chunks of time. A lot of times it's it's it's 2:15:06.040 --> 2:15:10.080 tough to line up, you know, schedules and people who 2:15:10.080 --> 2:15:13.560 want to go into the same areas. And some dude 2:15:13.600 --> 2:15:16.640 came to you. Some dude came to you and said, hey, man, 2:15:16.680 --> 2:15:19.400 I want to throw in with you on your sheep 2:15:19.480 --> 2:15:23.640 hunt this September. You'd probably say no, because why have 2:15:23.800 --> 2:15:26.080 the That's what my brother's thing is. I don't know. 2:15:26.120 --> 2:15:28.120 I'm gonna pitch him right now. Will be like, look, 2:15:28.360 --> 2:15:31.360 can't do that. I'll carry enough fuel so we can 2:15:31.400 --> 2:15:34.600 eat hot shit every night. We'll split the weight of 2:15:34.720 --> 2:15:38.880 our shelter and our spot and scope, and I'll even 2:15:38.920 --> 2:15:41.440 carry an extra pair of socks and on these for you. 2:15:41.880 --> 2:15:47.120 Do I get to shoot first? Yeah, in the unit 2:15:47.160 --> 2:15:51.560 where one sheep closes. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, 2:15:51.560 --> 2:15:54.200 my brother who could out lonely you, he might not 2:15:54.280 --> 2:15:58.200 out lonely if he could compy on loneliness lonely tolerance. Um, 2:15:58.960 --> 2:16:01.880 he just likes, just likes not having to like consult. 2:16:03.080 --> 2:16:05.400 What do you think? I don't know, what do you think? Yeah? 2:16:05.480 --> 2:16:07.760 I think we should go over there. I mean, he's 2:16:07.800 --> 2:16:09.920 happy to hunt with people, but he sees the upside. 2:16:09.960 --> 2:16:12.960 It's not like he you know, he just sees the 2:16:13.040 --> 2:16:16.240 upside and being by himself in that, just not having 2:16:16.240 --> 2:16:18.200 to well, and he's mentioned that right there. He's like, 2:16:18.240 --> 2:16:20.600 I never had to worry about who's shooting first. I'm 2:16:20.640 --> 2:16:25.200 always up exactly. So. But anyways, if some dude came 2:16:25.240 --> 2:16:26.800 to you instead, and it's a friend yours, not some 2:16:26.920 --> 2:16:29.760 straight wildcat, right, some some dude came to you and said, hey, 2:16:29.800 --> 2:16:31.240 I want to throw in I was thinking about going 2:16:31.240 --> 2:16:33.920 to the same place anyway, would you be like, maybe 2:16:33.920 --> 2:16:36.320 I'll bump into you, or would you then say, you 2:16:36.360 --> 2:16:39.520 know what, let's let's coordinate. No, if it was a 2:16:39.520 --> 2:16:43.560 good friend, I'd yeah, I'd welcome it. So you're not 2:16:43.640 --> 2:16:45.960 You're not like pushing You're not pushing your best friends 2:16:45.959 --> 2:16:49.240 on Oh no, no, no, not any not any respect. 2:16:49.320 --> 2:16:51.520 I mean, yeah, I have lots of good friends that 2:16:51.560 --> 2:16:54.000 you know, we go on hunts, you know, throughout the year, 2:16:54.080 --> 2:16:57.000 whether it be elk or or any of that. I 2:16:57.200 --> 2:16:59.640 just think that you kind of have to find somebody 2:16:59.800 --> 2:17:02.840 spe Siana hunt like this that's willing to take what 2:17:02.920 --> 2:17:05.120 time you have for the year, because you know, for 2:17:05.160 --> 2:17:08.640 all of us, between you know, work and family and 2:17:08.680 --> 2:17:11.560 all that, being able to take fourteen days and go 2:17:12.200 --> 2:17:13.920 possibly on a hunt where you're not going to fill 2:17:13.959 --> 2:17:16.800 the freezer, a lot of people don't want to do that. 2:17:16.920 --> 2:17:19.039 It's not a freezer filler. No, especially when we have 2:17:19.080 --> 2:17:22.040 so much great elk hunting, you know, all around here 2:17:23.000 --> 2:17:26.880 is your wife Maddie about fourteen days. No, not even 2:17:26.920 --> 2:17:29.280 kind of a little bit. No, but it hasn't when 2:17:29.320 --> 2:17:32.000 you come back. When you come back, is it gonna 2:17:32.000 --> 2:17:34.439 be the kind of thing where it's like, oh my god, 2:17:34.760 --> 2:17:37.680 he's home. It's so great. Or will it be that 2:17:37.720 --> 2:17:39.680 you come in and it's kind of like, oh, hey, 2:17:39.720 --> 2:17:43.640 can you take care of this? It depends if I 2:17:43.640 --> 2:17:47.840 come back with the sheet actors that in. No, No, 2:17:48.040 --> 2:17:50.120 but that there's I think that there is a part 2:17:50.120 --> 2:17:52.160 of that where you know, when you spend that much time, 2:17:52.200 --> 2:17:56.000 you want to be successful. But it's also a nice 2:17:56.040 --> 2:17:58.800 knowing going into it that that really isn't the expectation, 2:17:58.959 --> 2:18:01.040 you know, it's it's really more about the adventure and 2:18:02.240 --> 2:18:05.600 taking that time and you figure out another way to 2:18:05.640 --> 2:18:09.160 fill the fraser. Yeah, because doll sheep too, man. I 2:18:09.160 --> 2:18:13.160 mean they're not that big. No, they're not freezer fillers. No, No, 2:18:13.360 --> 2:18:16.360 not by any stretch. But it's pretty high quality, it is. 2:18:16.520 --> 2:18:19.520 I think it's a lot of guys, Yeah, a lot 2:18:19.560 --> 2:18:21.800 of guys in the Laska regarded as the finest, right 2:18:21.840 --> 2:18:25.280 it is. Yeah, but it's it's just a lot more. 2:18:25.320 --> 2:18:27.320 It's a bottle lot more than that. Man, It's not 2:18:27.400 --> 2:18:29.800 like out filling doe TEGs. It's just a whole different deal, 2:18:30.000 --> 2:18:33.440 it is. Yeah, it's a whole different deal. It's just 2:18:33.480 --> 2:18:36.160 doing something that you have to be paying total attention to, 2:18:36.280 --> 2:18:39.440 man and being like a little bit vulnerable all the time. Yeah, 2:18:39.520 --> 2:18:43.440 and being like there is no real there's really no 2:18:43.600 --> 2:18:47.520 getting lucky m hm no. And it takes you out 2:18:47.560 --> 2:18:50.520 of your comfort zone. And so you know, that's the 2:18:50.560 --> 2:18:53.279 one thing that I found about those types of adventures 2:18:53.360 --> 2:18:57.640 is every time you push yourself, that becomes a new norm. So, uh, 2:18:58.120 --> 2:19:00.720 you know, you're you're looking to ad ants, you're looking 2:19:00.760 --> 2:19:03.840 to stay longer or get farther in or go by 2:19:03.840 --> 2:19:06.560 yourself or whatever your next step is that you know 2:19:06.760 --> 2:19:12.440 you can There's never a finite finish line. Yeah, there's 2:19:12.640 --> 2:19:14.840 there's always something that you can add to it. There's 2:19:14.879 --> 2:19:18.280 always some other way that you can challenge yourself. I 2:19:18.280 --> 2:19:23.480 think it's kind of the cool part about it for sure. Yeah, 2:19:23.840 --> 2:19:31.119 we have a new norm. Yeah, cold food, yeah, lonely nights. 2:19:32.520 --> 2:19:33.880 You can you can learn how to deal with that. 2:19:33.920 --> 2:19:35.440 You can learn how to deal with a lot. Man, 2:19:35.720 --> 2:19:38.400 It's not that bad. No, you make it sound fun. 2:19:39.600 --> 2:19:42.840 Oh yeah, any final gear thoughts, I don't have any. 2:19:43.520 --> 2:19:47.480 You're tapped. Yeah, I was tearing me up with my 2:19:47.879 --> 2:19:53.080 bringing my my Um no, I'm cool on that. But 2:19:53.720 --> 2:19:56.280 my track and pull with the ice axe head stuck 2:19:56.360 --> 2:19:58.879 to it. So I thought of as a mountain go 2:19:59.000 --> 2:20:03.040 hunt and too man. Now, yeah, it's kind of got 2:20:03.040 --> 2:20:06.160 me thinking excavation. I think there's a chance to that 2:20:06.200 --> 2:20:08.680 we're gonna cross some glaciers, so yeah, we might want 2:20:08.680 --> 2:20:10.920 to think about having more than just one with us. Yeah, 2:20:11.000 --> 2:20:16.320 Danny probably carry his Oneman brother. All right, sir, Yanni's good. 2:20:17.040 --> 2:20:19.560 No last thoughts, I'm good man. All right. I hope 2:20:19.560 --> 2:20:21.240 you come back and your wife's like, oh my god, 2:20:21.320 --> 2:20:27.640 he's home me too, and not like you'll never guess 2:20:27.640 --> 2:21:22.960 what you'll never guess what the kids did. All right, Thanks,