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Speaker 1: if you could know one thing about um, like if

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Speaker 1: you had one question about my time up at our

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Speaker 1: fish shack, Like, what's the thing you're most dying to know? Like,

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Speaker 1: if you could ask me one thing about it? What

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Speaker 1: would you ask me? Mm hmm, I'm on this spot here.

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Speaker 1: He didn't give me any earlier. Your first question, Your

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Speaker 1: first question was was there a lot of bears around? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And you know when I asked you that I was

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Speaker 1: actually asking more just general if you guys are out about,

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Speaker 1: But you answered, yes, there's a shipload. And then you

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Speaker 1: went into tell me about the stories about how they

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Speaker 1: were crawling underneath the shock to come towards you as

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Speaker 1: your flame fish beating off like beating off bears with

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Speaker 1: black bears. But it sounds like nothing got so aggressive

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Speaker 1: that they actually like charred nothing aggressive or pop their

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Speaker 1: are cleaning fish. That's very interesting to me, I don't

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Speaker 1: care that you're standing there. I think I'll come and

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Speaker 1: have some like a like a dog, like a stray dog.

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Speaker 1: You know that someone fed even though we didn't feed

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Speaker 1: him all the time, all times a day. It was

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Speaker 1: funny too. It's really hot. Like we've got our place

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Speaker 1: for fourteen fifteen years, and we've always had enough water

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Speaker 1: like we divert water a couple d feet above our shack.

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Speaker 1: We divert water out of a creek into a tank,

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Speaker 1: right and then we run a holes off that. It

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Speaker 1: gives you water pressure in fourteen years. Um, never a problem.

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Speaker 1: That creek is too dry right now to uh, too

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Speaker 1: dry right now to pull water. While was I talking

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Speaker 1: it was funny because like when you're bear hunting in

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Speaker 1: the spring and you get like eighty degree day it's

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Speaker 1: just blazing sun. You feel like not gonna happen, like moso,

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Speaker 1: they're just out black hide, black hair. I wander around

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Speaker 1: You know, he had a good run. But a young

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Speaker 1: someone was in there. Oh he was there in there

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Speaker 1: So that's your main question you'd have for me. My

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Speaker 1: next question, We're gonna have to pause for a second.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask it. And many of times

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Speaker 1: you talked about where it is, but I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: in greater details. Okay, we're back on good. So where

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Speaker 1: which is a big gass island. Yeah it's Um, I

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Speaker 1: never like totally fact checked this, but it's half the size.

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Speaker 1: I think it's half the size of the big island

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Speaker 1: but has twice the shoreline. Wow, it's a mess. Like

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Speaker 1: a lot of the places you can't tell if you're

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Just lots of little pipas and fjords

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Speaker 1: said you had pinks and silver's right by your place.

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Speaker 1: So all the creeks around us like in ours sort

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Speaker 1: some variation on Pink's chums silvers. And then there's one

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Speaker 1: of other not quite incidentals, but things that will target.

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Speaker 1: Can you still fish crab down? There is everything dungeons yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot. We always have shrimp pots out. The crab

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Speaker 1: I think we've had enough. I'm like, bro, you must

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Speaker 1: load up, let's keep going. Yeah, take up a lot

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Speaker 1: just we dove. Oh you know what's crazy? This last

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Speaker 1: the kind of the trippiest I've ever seen it. Really,

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Speaker 1: out and it was a negative low tide, so like

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Speaker 1: the middle of this thing, kind of isolated, and look

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Speaker 1: brother checking them out like thinking he's a seal. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's in the water, in the water in a wet suit.

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Speaker 1: And they passed in front of the boat and came

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Speaker 1: It's just rock. There's not any there's no trail, there's

425
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: no trail at all. Everything's off trail. You know, everything's

426
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: off trail. Everything's rock. There's no sort of like sweet

427
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: kind of walking places. So it's not that much of

428
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: a detriment to run plastic boots. But he is big

429
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: on having his boots and a pair of sneakers. Yeah,

430
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: and then I got me a pair of those down booties,

431
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: those down camp booties. Oh my god, it those nice

432
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: to have. But like this year, hunting doll sheep and

433
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: not even a month, two weeks, two weeks by the

434
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: time he listened to this, will probably be in the field.

435
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't be bringing my down my special

436
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: down booties. So did they have souls on the bottom

437
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: so you can get out and walk around? No, you

438
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: can't really get out and walk around. They got Yeah,

439
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: they got a soul on the bottom. But man, we're

440
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: going to the latrine that night. It's so nice. They'll

441
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: take them damn boots off. It is, but you'll just

442
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: be running boots. No extra footwear. No, huh no, I don't.

443
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: But I use plastic boots too, so you know you

444
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: have the inn So you wear plastics. Hunting down here

445
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: a lot? Yeah, who's plastic boots? I wear Scarpas. Yeah,

446
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: I wear the Scarpo Omega's they quit making them, which

447
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: was a total bummer, but I wrapped hold a couple

448
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: of pairs and but they're They're one of those things

449
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: that I've I've suggested them to several friends that have

450
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: gone on cheap hunts, and you know, it's it's it's

451
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty whether or not they fix. You're not

452
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: going to break them in. You know. It's not like

453
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: a leather boot where you just wear it more than

454
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna fit. And especially the Scarpo Omega's that they're

455
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: a real dense liner, so there isn't much to move around,

456
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: you know, to to form to your foot, so they

457
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: don't look like, yeah they are, they are, but you

458
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: know they're real light. They never get wet, um, I

459
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: don't get blisters in them. There's still the most comfortable

460
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: boots that I have, so I wear them a lot.

461
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: When you do finally hit the trail though, and you've

462
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: got like just five miles of trail to rip, don't

463
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: it almost I know, yeah, it feels so awkward because

464
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, you know, because you don't bring

465
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: crampons down here to you um typically no, uh, you know,

466
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: it kind of depends on on some of the you know,

467
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: some of the area, or it depends on if there's

468
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: snow or ice on the ground. But you know, some

469
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: of the some of the smaller crampons I have. I

470
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: have a pair of crampons that I have cut down

471
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: there are only three quarter inches tall, you know, kind

472
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: of like the I'm not going to broounce it, right,

473
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: but cattla kinda there you go. You know, they make

474
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: the slip on base type. Those are really nice when

475
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: it's slick and you know, more from a state safety

476
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: standpoint than anything. But you don't depend you know there

477
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: there's still you know, especially on a sheep hunt, you know,

478
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: something down and in the bar Tooth there's there's a

479
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: lot of steep, nasty country in there, and it's it's

480
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: nice to have a little bit more foot protection. Yeah. Man,

481
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: every year. I remember a couple of years a gonna

482
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: last you guys died falling mountain go hunt. Yeah, there's

483
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: just not that many guys mountain go hunt. No, No,

484
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, especially in those places that have big exposure.

485
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that you're climbing vertical ice or that

486
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: you you know, you really need them. You're just trying

487
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: to protect yourself from slipping and and there's a lot

488
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: of times, especially in September, you can get yourself into

489
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: a place when it's dry and all of a sudden

490
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: there's a skiff of snow and it can be flat

491
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: treacherous trying to get out. So um yeah, just kind

492
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: of depends on the area. But sometimes I'll carry them

493
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: down here. So when you're when you're running those and

494
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: at nighttime, when you're just kicking around camp, do you

495
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: just walk around the liners? Um? Yeah, if it's dry,

496
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: I will yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you said you

497
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: never get wet. We're all these plastic boots for a while.

498
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: But one last question on it. You said you never

499
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: get wet, but do you sweat enough in them sometimes

500
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: that you get them wet from the inside out? Yeah? Yeah,

501
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: I should clarify that. Yeah, the the inside and then

502
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: I just keep rotating through socks. But the liners, particularly

503
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: on these, are dense enough. I used to use the

504
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: co Flak too, and they're super comfortable and they had

505
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: a real squishy nice but they would they the inner

506
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: boot would absorb a little bit more moisture. Scarpa bought

507
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: co Flak and now they're putting those high density type

508
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: liners in there, and those don't absorb as much water.

509
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: They'll they'll still get moist but you can open them

510
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: up and and they'll they'll dry out pretty quick. But yeah,

511
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: you have to rotate through your socks. But as far

512
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: as the boot itself, I've just had some issues with

513
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: with you know, certain types of leather boots that over

514
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: the course of a hunt, they get wet and you

515
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: can't ever get them dry again, and then it gets

516
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: cold and now they're frozen. They can't get your foot

517
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: in there, and you know that it just can't. Can

518
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: create some issues that way. Yeah, yeah, like wake up

519
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: and put your boot inside your sleeping bed to get

520
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: the thought out enough to put it on exactly. That's all.

521
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: It was fun. Yeah yeah, and then the feet are

522
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna be real warm. Yeah yeah. It's a hell of

523
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: a way to start the morning. You don't wear those

524
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: plastic boots out squirrel hunting you, so you save it

525
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: for like I do save extreme. I don't want to

526
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: wear them out, only have to bear. I can't decide, uh,

527
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: I can't decide hunting sheet this year. I'm kind of

528
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: thinking about this running those uh running my timberline boots, ma'am.

529
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: You don't think it's origin. I think it's a bad idea. Yeah,

530
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: because I wore those when I went into the bear

531
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: Tooths a couple of weeks ago, and it didn't take long.

532
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: I mean again, on the trail, I was loving it. Oh,

533
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: that's They're the greatest thing in the world. Like the

534
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: older I think it's the perfect shoe man. Because we

535
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: decided to hop a pass and get into another drainage,

536
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: and as soon as we got off the trail, I

537
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: was not. They just don't have the lateral support, you know. Yeah,

538
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: it's more it's a it's like a great trail boot,

539
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: but it's so foble. I was actually kicking around doing it.

540
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: But I'm probably just gonna go with you know, go

541
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: grants to have that extra ump, but no nighttime not

542
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: bringing a nighttime comfy shoe. Well here's the deal though,

543
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: with our hunt. We're flying into what the outfit calls

544
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: his base camp, right that has definitely has he has

545
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: a weather port there. What you probably know what that is.

546
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what it is, but weatherport when

547
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: we look at a picture of it, and tell me

548
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: if I just describe it wrong, Kurt, But it's like

549
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: a you know sometimes Yeah, I was going to describe

550
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: it as like when someone doesn't have enough money to

551
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: actually put up a garage. The shape it's the shape

552
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: of the shape of a clanet you're talking about. They

553
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: put up those like car forards, you know that you

554
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: can drive into. It's like a ten it's the last

555
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: five years or so. It kind of looks like that, right.

556
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: So where yeah, so where we're flying. Yeah, where you're

557
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: flying into you can bring and stuff like that. You know.

558
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: It's like when you're flying in, whether you have that

559
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: or not, you can um whether you have that or not,

560
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: you can bring in extra food, all kinds of stuff,

561
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: unless unless I have a couple of those extras there,

562
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, because then we're gonna spike out for two

563
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: to three nights at a time, and so when I

564
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: come back, you know, I'll have that nice like you

565
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: call it creature comfort. That's a good plan. Yeah, Like,

566
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: but even when you have a pilot limits you. If

567
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: you have a pilot limits you to fifty pounds on

568
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: a flight, then it's pretty tight. But other times when

569
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: I've flown in with my brother Hunt Sheep, we flew

570
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: in extra emergency food and then like umfy shoes and

571
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: even some other nice stuff that you would like a

572
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: puffy jacket that you're never going to carry with you,

573
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: but you can just hang in a tree in a

574
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: dry bag. You know, you got to come back. So

575
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: what I'm talking more about is when you just like

576
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: strike off from the airstrip, and this case, we have

577
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: an outfit or friend who's letting us use like a

578
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: posh base camp that will then strike off from like

579
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: you're saying, for like a few days at a time.

580
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: So I'm talking about like leaving there. So you ask

581
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: me if I'm taking my crocks with me evening time,

582
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: comfy shoes, I won't. Um, Now, Kurt, how many pairs

583
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: of socks do you bring? Fourteen days? Fourteen days? So

584
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: my program is um your sock program, my sock program. Yeah,

585
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: so I I typically wear two pairs of of some

586
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: sort of hiking sock a little bit taller, and then

587
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: two pairs of once, two pairs of once. It just

588
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: it keeps the blisters down. If you haven't that many

589
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: problems with blisters, maybe should change boots. That's a good fun,

590
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: those blister inducing boots. He was just saying that they

591
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: don't give him a blisters. Yeah, so maybe it's my

592
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: socks that don't give me blisters. But not like a

593
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: liner and a hiking sock you actually double up on

594
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: like Marino blend socks. Yeah. Well, yeah, I should clarify

595
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: because I used to do the liner thing to eliminate blisters.

596
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: Silk liners, but it gives your foot like an unstable.

597
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: You don't talk about for while they made those, like

598
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: so we would run like a silk liner and then

599
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: you put a Marino blend thing over it, but every

600
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: you can't get a blister with them. But every time

601
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: you step, you feel your foot shift in a very

602
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: annoying way that leads your foot to get not blistered,

603
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: but sore because it's sliding around in there. It just

604
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: because it doesn't it doesn't grip. So it's like it

605
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: feels like it feels a little bit like every step

606
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: you feel your foot moving away. It doesn't normally move,

607
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: which I hate that feeling. So I gave up on liners.

608
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: You can eliminate blisters though, yeah, yeah, for sure. So

609
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: so I should clarify on this. They're they're basic, you know,

610
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: just above boot top height. Um. But it's it's a

611
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: lighter pair of a Merino based the type hiking sock

612
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: thinner and then a more cushioned um fuller hiking sock

613
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: on the on the outside, and and so and then

614
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: I'll just bring one extra pair of the thick pair,

615
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: rotate those in and out every day, but depending on

616
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: how long I go, you know, three pairs of the

617
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: of the lighter ones and they don't take up hardly

618
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: any room, but you can cycle them through their thin

619
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: enough that you know, if you get to a stream,

620
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: you can you can wash out one pair and just

621
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: keep rotating through so you don't get foot funking. And

622
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that I found is on

623
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: those long hunts when that that inner pair of socks

624
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: that you have, they get so matted and they get

625
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: to the point where they get hard, but you can

626
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: by washington. That's it. So just just having enough pair

627
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 1: so I could cycle through them that way, Yeah, because

628
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: like wash them in the creek and then you just

629
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: hang them off your hack for the day and they

630
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: kind of refluff they do, and I just wash them

631
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: with like shampoo whatever happened to have with me. Yeah,

632
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: because I'll bring a little bit of shampoo. That's another question.

633
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: So I'll bring a little bit shampoo because my head starts.

634
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: It's the damn bad drive me creepy, that's do you

635
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: ever bring kind of soap now? But I bring wet wipes,

636
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: a little wet wipes. Um, you know that Dr bond

637
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: or soap, Like the teeniest container of that stuff is

638
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: worth it's worth quite a bit. But it really does. Man,

639
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: I feel like the face of that pepformant soap. Dude,

640
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: you're loving man. Yeah, And it kind of it gives

641
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: you a second wind, and I would imagine I've never

642
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: done a fourteen day hunt, you know. I think the

643
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: fongest I've made has been maybe seven or eight nights,

644
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: like actually living out of my backpack. But um, yeah,

645
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: like four or five days in when you're just really

646
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: getting that kind of greasy, grimy feel going and if

647
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: you're at that right creek in the sunshine to be

648
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: able to dr bees your head and your face. Man,

649
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: you're a new man, you know. Yeah that does sound nice.

650
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: One pair of pants, one pair of pants, Yeah, but

651
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: it's it's all in a layering system. So you know

652
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: usually uh you know, Marino bass layer and then um,

653
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: a down insulation layer that's typically packed away for your

654
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: leg down pants. Yeah. I started on the lower body

655
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: and then but bahoma backup because let's say you're hunting, Uh,

656
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: do you run that when you're hunting sheep in August

657
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: and Alaska? Or do you just trust it's not gonna

658
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: get that cold? No. I I always carried a part.

659
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: At that time, I was using the Patagonia synthetic micropuff.

660
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: They were some of the only ones that were more

661
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: for the August hunt because I feel like you can

662
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: stay totally warm with a marino base. Then I wear

663
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: like a wool blend like the first like cannab pant,

664
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: like a wool blend pant. Then a rain pant because

665
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: it's gonna be pretty damn cold to get cold with that.

666
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. So there's a couple of things that

667
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: The first thing for me is that I had a

668
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: couple of instances where you get a lot of got

669
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: a lot of wind, a lot of rain, and and

670
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: it just gets damn cold sitting in one spot, you know,

671
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: and you're get in spots where you have to glass,

672
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: you have to spend you know, multiple hours being in

673
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: one spot, or you get pinned down and you have

674
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: to wait him out. Even if it's sixty five degrees,

675
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: it's wet, it's cold. It's just like jumping in the ocean.

676
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: If it's sixty five degrees, you're gonna die from hypothermia.

677
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so that's why I started carrying them.

678
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: And then and then secondly that then I know what

679
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: kind of segue into this. But it can also be

680
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: part of your sleep system. So you can shave some

681
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: weight by taking the lighter bag. Then you always have

682
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: that you know, when you have your puff layers up

683
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: and down, you know, I don't use a thirty two

684
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: degree bag. Yeah that's a good point, so you know

685
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: you could kind of get multiple use out of gear. Yeah,

686
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I want to touch on that

687
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: sleeping with puffies inside of a bag, but we can

688
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: touch we can come back to that when we're talking

689
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: about sleeping bags. We don't get too off drag. So

690
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: do you run rain pants? Yeah? Yeah, the big believer

691
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: in rain pants. Yeah, yeah, that's that's I think that's

692
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: one of the key pieces of gear. And I think

693
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: they should calm wind and rain pants because yeah, let's

694
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: because a lot of times we put it on them

695
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: on just to beat the wind off of ye exactly

696
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: anytime it gets cold, you know, just keeping because so

697
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: many of the layers are permeable, you know, so that

698
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: they breathe that that that wind, you know, that air

699
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: transfer just pulls the heat you know, from your inner layers.

700
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: So it's nice to keep that barrier. I think too,

701
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: that you wind up packing when it comes to close.

702
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: You're more packing for the trip you just had than

703
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: the trip you're going on. Like you're really informed by

704
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: your last set of experiences. So if you go somewhere

705
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: and it's pretty warm and gravy, right, and then you

706
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: you're loading up for your next outing, you wind up

707
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: being like, oh, yeah, I'm cutting this out. I'm cutting

708
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: that out. If you're coming somewhere from just being wet

709
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: and cold, you think differently, like coming off if you

710
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: were going to come off a fog nack right and

711
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: go pack for a trip, no matter where it was,

712
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: you would approach it differently. After that. Definitely, you're like

713
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: driving rain and it gets in your head, you know,

714
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: the whole world like that. Yeah, it just gets in

715
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: your head and it's hard to like snap out of it.

716
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: You know. If you come somewhere and everything's like you know,

717
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: you go and you pack a pair of rain pants

718
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: and you go a week and never pull them out.

719
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: Lady Like, yeah, screw these rain pants, man. You know

720
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: you gotta So it's like you gotta like keep the

721
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: you gotta keep in mind, learn from what happened, but

722
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: not like really live it in a in a in

723
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: a big way, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, for sure,

724
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: where you're not you're not like trying to replicate, you're

725
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: not trying to do what you should have done when

726
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: you had a shitty trip. Yeah, you know, but that's

727
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of the you know, the gear

728
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: hacks come from. You know, there's nothing like a real piss, poor,

729
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: miserable situation to make you change how you look at

730
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: what you have in your pack. You know, when when

731
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: you're cold for an extended period of time and you

732
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: have all that time to sit there and think about

733
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: the mistake you make because you didn't bring the right

734
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: piece of gear that tends to stick with you. Yeah,

735
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I feel like those are the only times it's like

736
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: sunny and seventy per week, you're not thinking about what

737
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: you're sitting in your tents. There's the things I always

738
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: like a layout and look at and can't decide would

739
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: be down, can't booties, Mitts Mittens, like you spent a

740
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: few days with your fingers just froze and that's more

741
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: like a late season thing. But like Mittens, I look

742
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: at him, I'm like, really, you're gonna bring Mittens puffy pants.

743
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time debating puffy pants. A

744
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: big puffy like a down, full on down jacket, so

745
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: nice to have, and we'll debate it, but with but

746
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: with the early So if you're going if you're talking

747
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: like an early season deal, like right now or August September,

748
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: you're still saying you have Long John's. Do you guys

749
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: say Long John's where you grew up. We'll stay where

750
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: you born in here here. Yeah, you guys grew up

751
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: staying Long John's. Yeah, and my grandpa said it, Okay,

752
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: get your Long John's Brian Callahan causing long handles. Yeah,

753
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: then you got your pants and you're bringing puffies and

754
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: you're bringing rain pants and your pack ways what pounds six? Yeah?

755
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: All right, so let's let's adderstional thoughts. I was gonna say,

756
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: let's go above the above the belt. Okay, but for

757
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: you right now, you're not running. Don't tell me you're

758
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: bringing puffies on our little adventure here. Yeah? Really yeah,

759
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: and again because you know we're going we're flying in

760
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: but never but forget that. Could that'd be like saying, yeah,

761
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: you can't because think about it like this. Think about

762
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 1: it like this. Think about if you have a place

763
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: you could fly into and you have a base of operations.

764
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: If we were hunting right here out of town and

765
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: we're going away for two nights and I said you,

766
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: are you bringing your puffy pants? You wouldn't say, yeah,

767
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: they're in my house. It's the same thing. Okay, you

768
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: follow me, Yeah, I follow you. I'm gonna bring him.

769
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about when you strike out to go spend

770
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: several days, what could leave what could turn into several days,

771
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: Not what you're leaving behind in your truck or at

772
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: a weather port, or at a cabin or in your boat.

773
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: Follow me at the airstrip. It's like striking out. So

774
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: you're striking out from your truck. Say you're telling me

775
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: that you're gonna bring puffies for what reason when it

776
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: gets cold, Well, I might do. What I might do

777
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: is not bringing long handles. Yeah, because what I've like,

778
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: what I've started to do is because with long John's

779
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: always kind of like having to make the decision in

780
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: the morning on what like whether they're gonna be with

781
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: you on you for the rest of the day, right

782
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: because it's such a pain. And take your pants off,

783
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: take your boots off and get it take them off,

784
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: you know we're put them or put them on midday.

785
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: So I almost like being like hunting in my bass layer,

786
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: which is just my pants, and then that way, as

787
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: it progressively gets worse or colder, I can just add

788
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: or take off. But I always know that like, oh ship,

789
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: we're still we're gonna hike for five miles right now,

790
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: Like I can just strip down and there are my

791
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: regular pants and I'm ready to go. Yeah. That's a

792
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: good point because when you wake up in the morning,

793
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: you got your long handles on, You're you're like, dude,

794
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm not taking these off because I'm so comfortable, and

795
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: then you're like, you know that within three yards you're

796
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: gonna be like, really, man, I wish you had taken

797
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: them off, right, Yeah, alright, um, and they're they're probably

798
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: way you probably know exactly, but I'm guessing they weigh

799
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: pretty close to the same amount. Yeah, yeah, because I

800
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: mean the heavier wolf stuff, you know, it's it's definitely yeah,

801
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't have the exact spects on it, but that

802
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: you're right, a lot more warmth. Yeah. Uh. When you

803
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: count your pack weight, yeah, you're you're you're not counting

804
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: what you You're you're not counting your main apparel. But

805
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: are you counting the weight of your puffies? Yeah? Yeah,

806
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: my puffies are puffies and in socks, you know, gloves.

807
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: Rain gear doesn't get counted though, yeah, rain gears in there.

808
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: And do you run and then do you like to

809
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: run the same basic set up for uppers Yeah, yeah, yeah,

810
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: it's virtually identical. Marin Bay Marino base than like a

811
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: thing puffy yep. This year I'm thinking about going with

812
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: think about switching it up a little bit and I

813
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: have an uh, going like a T shirt Marino T

814
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: shirt and then like a heavier shirt and just have

815
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: that be my like a T shirt in my basic

816
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: because you can get so hot that time of year,

817
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day walking up some never

818
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: ending hill. A T shirt can feel pretty good. It's

819
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: the same materials, Like you got like a cotton like, no,

820
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: you're just doubling up Belltown Pizza T shirt on. You

821
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: got like a Marino T shirt. That's what I used

822
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: to do. I really like them. Yeah, yeah, gonna be

823
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: careful for that is the middle of the day going

824
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: to a T shirt. Man, you gotta pull out the

825
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: sunscreen because you get worked over on some hills or bugs.

826
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: Bugs yeah yeah, but bugs aren't usually that bad up

827
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: on the wind swept ridges and stuff. You know, that's

828
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: better have you got mauled by bugs? Much hunting? Sheep

829
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: doll sheet? Oh yeah, yeah for sure, down in the

830
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: bottoms and the willow bottoms that could be pretty, and

831
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: a little white socks. I found they were more miserable

832
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: than the than the mosquitoes. There night, my we're just

833
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: getting mauled by them at our cabin. And I did

834
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: my daughter up and and bugs pray, but didn't get her.

835
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: You know when kids are bent over. Her shirt rides up.

836
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, it looks like I felt like a

837
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: bad dad. Didn't just it's just nothing but bug bites

838
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: on that one strip of skin between her waistline and

839
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: her shirt line. I felt pre horrible. She's like, you

840
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: didn't box pray there? Yeah, so I stuff like that.

841
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: You bring a little sunscreen, No, I've never brought sunscreen.

842
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: Do you bring a little bug Yeah? Yeah, I did

843
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: just dent beat so you can have a small container. Yeah,

844
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: and a lot of times in Alaska and if it

845
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: was on an early hunt, um, I just bring with

846
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: those super for lightweight head nets. M you know, I

847
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: mean they can't wait but an ounce, and then once

848
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: you have your ball cap on, you don't even need

849
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: the hooped one. Yeah, you just keep them off your face.

850
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: I just found those white socks, man. They you know,

851
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: they dig and burrow underneath your hat and even when

852
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: you're wearing you know, the bug spray. Just yeah, they're

853
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: ferocious or candy. Do you like a heavy duty rain

854
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: jacket or a light duty rain jacket? I'm I'm using

855
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: a three year, A three layer, um you know, waterproof, breathable,

856
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: um use, you know, multiple different So yeah, it's probably

857
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: more on the heavy duty side than the lightweight. UM.

858
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: I've used the two layer before too, and it it worked.

859
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: The only problem was is that a lot of times

860
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: on the top of the shoulders or anywhere where your

861
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: pack was writing, it just eventually would start to wet

862
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: and and it was hard to get dry after that.

863
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: But so that was kind of why I went to

864
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: the re layer. Had a little better luck, and there

865
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: wasn't hardly any difference in the way A couple of ounces.

866
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: What do you do for gloves? Us bring light gloves?

867
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: I do? I have a I have a light pair

868
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: of the Outdoor Research I think they call them the

869
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Peel four hundreds or something, but there are a Marino

870
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: synthetic blend and UM so even if your hands get wet,

871
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: they will you know, they stay pretty warm and they

872
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: dry out real quick. But then I take the o

873
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: R mits, the gore waterproof mits over that. So if

874
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: you do get into the alders or something, you know,

875
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: real wet conditions, um, they'll keep your hands dry. And yeah,

876
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: it's not as convenient you don't have the fingers, but

877
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: I haven't had a lot of luck with with waterproof

878
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: fingered gloves. Just seems no, it's all a lie man. Yeah,

879
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're not out there, but I haven't.

880
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: You can buy a fish or like what do they

881
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: call grabbing gloves, you know, if you really want something

882
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: that's a hunting final Like yeah, final gloves are like waterproof,

883
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: but they're just sweaty and swampy. Yeah, and that's a thing.

884
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: That's so let's say you were hunting. Let's say you

885
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: were just hunting like archery, you're hunting September archery. Elk. Yeah,

886
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: you wouldn't bring the myths, no, no, no, And I

887
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: mean we have. That's the great thing about honey out,

888
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: you know, especially in this state, you're gonna have an

889
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: unbelievable you know, forecast. You can check everything you can

890
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: pack for the specific weather that you're going to have

891
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: opposed to what you guys are going into or you know,

892
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: even what I'm going to do. I you could be

893
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: in snow, you could be eighty degrees, you could be

894
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: anywhere in between. You know, August tenth up there. Yeah,

895
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: we've wanted We've hunted in August in the snow, which

896
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: when you're looking for a white animal really like, yeah,

897
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: it's bad. Or sitting in the tent, yep, sitting the

898
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: tent for two days and then it snows and it's

899
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: got that kind of fog. Equality Yeah, I remember in

900
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: August hunting sheep and it's snowed, and then it finally

901
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: got just beautiful. And looking at tracks on the mountain

902
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: side and just filling the tracks and my spot and

903
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: scope and trying to figure out where the tracks went,

904
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: and realized they ended because there's a sheep standing there.

905
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the sheep. I can just see the

906
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: trail ended. Yes, no, man, you're but I'm glad to

907
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: have this conversation because you're reminding me of all the

908
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: bad things that can happen. Well, you know, that's the

909
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: interesting thing, especially up there, is you never know what

910
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna be getting into, so you kind of really

911
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: have to prepare for everything, whether or not you leave

912
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: it at camp or not. Yea, but with gloves, you

913
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: know that sounds like you don't pack a pair of

914
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: gloves actually like really protect your hands. Yeah, yeah, but

915
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: that's that's the other thing that I found with the

916
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: mitst though, is that even when your hands get cold,

917
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, when you have all of your fingers together

918
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: inside the mit my ends seem to warm up quicker. Yeah,

919
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: and then you canet you know, if you can keep

920
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: that warmth up that it'll help dry out the gloves

921
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: you have under it, you know, the soft shell are

922
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: So that's kind of been my program that I've stuck with.

923
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: And they're extremely light, you know. That's another added feature

924
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: I've gone to. Uh like really not unless it's like

925
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: just getting that that cold where like okay, you have

926
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: to have gloves on, which a lot of times is

927
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: getting near freezing, and so you get into usually once

928
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: it gets near freezing, you're getting into sort of a

929
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: dryer state, right because you're not looking at rain anymore,

930
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: but possibly snow. I know there's that in between and

931
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 1: probably seed a lot in Alaska, but I've found having

932
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: better luck just having my hands out there getting drenched

933
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: and just kind of being like, yes, this is how

934
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be today and dealing with it, and

935
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: then at the end of the day when I get

936
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: in my tent or whatever, being able to put on

937
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: some dry gloves, or when the rain stops, put on

938
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: some dry gloves. When you get out of the willows,

939
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: put on some dry gloves, because it just feels like

940
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: if you get your liners wet, I almost feel like

941
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: that's worse having wet gloves on your hands than just

942
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: having wet hands, because the minute it stops raining, your

943
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: skin dries and you put it. And what I've been

944
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: doing two is I'll just run them inside my you know,

945
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: rain jacket pockets as I'm hiking along, you know, if

946
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't need my hands, and that seems to keep

947
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: them warming up. Yeah, they're wet, but once you get

948
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: them what it takes a hell of a nice day

949
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: to ever get them dry again. Yeah, you gloves for sure. Yeah,

950
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. I I do everything I can

951
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: to keep those, you know, the actual insulating layer dry,

952
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 1: and even as far as just wearing the mits over

953
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: a bare hand. You know, if it's if it's wet

954
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: and blowing and you know, just hovering at that forty

955
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: five super cold, or it feels cold with the wet,

956
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: you can just put those over bare hands and we'll

957
00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: keep your fingers warm. Do you uh? Do you? Um?

958
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: We're in a netgator, I have uh. Yeah, Depending on

959
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: the time of year, I'll take one with me. Um,

960
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: if it's earlier, normally I don't, but um, you know,

961
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: if if there's any chance of snow, yeah, I have

962
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: a lightweight one kind of a poly blend like a belt.

963
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: Do you wear a belt or does an internal like

964
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: built in belt on my bridges apparently? Yeah? Um, yeah, yeah,

965
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: no I do. I do, But I just use some

966
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: of our webbing. I just have, you know, just the

967
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: real thin one inch webbing and the and the tension lock. Yeah,

968
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: that's the kind of belt I like for like I

969
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: I generally wear like a heavy duty belt normally for

970
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: most stuff. But I now have a super thin, dinky,

971
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: little three quarter inch webbing belt because I hate the

972
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: feeling of my backpack digging into my belt. Yeah, I

973
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: do too, And it's and it's keeping all of that

974
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: volume on the waistline as small as you can. I

975
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: mean for me at least. Um, well, you know some

976
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: pants have the doubled up belt loops, or if you

977
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: go with a thicker webbing belt, all of that stuff

978
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: creates that you know, um, that that extra thickness right

979
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: in your belt line, and it just becomes a pressure

980
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: point for for you know, when you're packing, when you

981
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: have your heavy pack, when you tighten the hip belt

982
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, especially on the belt loop areas. I've

983
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: noticed some of the pants I've used, so yeah, because

984
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: I'll get it to where I can feel like some

985
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: something like numb sensations almost like on the front of

986
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: my thighs kind of coming off my hips a little bit.

987
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: A lot of times I'll look in there and do

988
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: some wiggling around and something's just been bunched up, you know,

989
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: just to create that pinch point. Yeah, kind of dyes,

990
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: you run. I use those. I use the first light

991
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: wool ones, the ones that are a little bit longer,

992
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: I do. I do those, man, those are super comfortable,

993
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: and it's almost like having like half of a set

994
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: of law John's. It is because you've got long socks on.

995
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: You can pull up to your knees. The only thing

996
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: that's not exposed is your kneecap. Yeah, yeah, I know.

997
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: I really dig those. Yeah, they're comfortable. Do you uh,

998
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: how many extra pairs ones you bring along? That's it,

999
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: just the ones, just the one you're taking a minute

1000
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: wash them on a super nice day. Yeah. No, listen

1001
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: if I don't have a problem with that, I don't

1002
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: have a problem that at all. That's what the wet

1003
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: wipes are for that, yeaheah. Yeah, so you gotta keep up.

1004
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: There's some maintenance that goes along with it. Yeah. We

1005
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: used to mess around with um various powders, you know,

1006
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: to powder and stuff like that. Do you do anything

1007
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: like that? I don't. Just wet wipes. Yeah, just wet wipes.

1008
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: You bring one wet white for every day. I bring

1009
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: one of those little packages and I shower in a

1010
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: bag or it's a shower and souped up wet wiper,

1011
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: genuinely like, oh no, just just the regular they're unscented ones. Yeah,

1012
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: you like the uncented I do. Yeah. I don't know why. Yeah,

1013
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: it's not gonna I don't believe that it makes a difference.

1014
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: It's just seems like the thing you should do if

1015
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: you're hunting. I usually bring one. I usually bring one

1016
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: for every day. But do you ever you familiar with

1017
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: shower in a bag? Basically a big gass wet white. Okay, yeah,

1018
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: it's a big wet white. You know, you can do

1019
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: a good scrubbing, but then you up having all the

1020
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: damn things unless you burn them or something. Yeah, you

1021
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: ever make fires? I'm not very often? No? No, what

1022
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: do you bring for a hat? Ball cap? Obviously? Yeah,

1023
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: ball cap and then stocking hat? You know several different types.

1024
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: And do you run like a do you run around

1025
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: me Warren? Where you wear your stocking hat over your

1026
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: ball cap? No? I don't. But this last year, I uh,

1027
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: I had I started using and I can't even remember

1028
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: who makes it, Morment or something. The hoodie the full

1029
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: face not full face, be like a half faced hoodie

1030
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: that you can pull up over. Yeah, and that was slick.

1031
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: I like that, but kind of the same principle where

1032
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: you can just pull it up over your ball cap.

1033
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: And I found that I was wearing my stocking hat

1034
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: rarely after having that, and it was real lightweight materials,

1035
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: so you know, to dry out even after it got

1036
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: snow on it. You don't wear like a wool blend

1037
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: stocking cap. I do have one, Yeah, yeah, I do

1038
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: have one that I carry on something like your stocking cap.

1039
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: Do you ever like get rid of the stock and

1040
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: cap you like because you're worried about it being too

1041
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: heavy and go with a light weight stock and no,

1042
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: I can't say I've done that. I left behind my

1043
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: last September on my elcoin. I left behind my woolve

1044
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: stock and cap and just went with the first light

1045
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: Chama hoodie. Oh yeah, because I found the same thing.

1046
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: You're wearing that things so when it gets chill, you're

1047
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: putting that on, and then next thing you know, you

1048
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: went a whole week. You never put your beanie hat on,

1049
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: you know. And plus I like sleeping in that thing

1050
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: because it's loose, So you don't like the stocking cap

1051
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: sometimes for me on my ears, oh, if you've been

1052
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: wearing all, your ears start to hurt, sleep your ears hurt.

1053
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: But those hoodies are nice. I was behind the curve

1054
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: on that one. Most everybody I knew. I hunted with one,

1055
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know why I did never conform, but

1056
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: I know why they have them now. I uh The

1057
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: reason I like the little, the thin marino net gator

1058
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: is I also sleep where I wear it as my

1059
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: little tuk at night. That's French for hat. I think.

1060
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: I wear it at night and I pulled over my

1061
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: eyes to make things extra dark. You know what I'm saying.

1062
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: Keeps your ears warm, makes everything nice and dark so

1063
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: you can sleep good. It's the perfect thing, especially in

1064
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: Alaska this time of year. Yep, that's things like it's

1065
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: sometimes hard to sleep, yeah for sure. Yeah. I remember

1066
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: my brothers one time, like, yeah hunt in August. They

1067
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: one time we're watching some sheep and I said, there's

1068
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: no point during the night when you couldn't wake up

1069
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: and find them with find him with binoculars. Yeah, always

1070
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: that light out it starts to drive you crazy. Yeah,

1071
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: so I like that even just upo my fish chack.

1072
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: I was running my thing over my eyes at night

1073
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: long still long days. I really kind of rely on it.

1074
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: A little thin neck gator. Used it for tons of

1075
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: stuff and keeps down sunburn on your neck and like

1076
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: you're always getting your neck cooked. It's amazing what those

1077
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: thin little marino ones will do for you, just for uh,

1078
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: for up in your warmth. If you lose a lot

1079
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: of heat out of your necks when you put that

1080
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: thing on. It really it insulates. I'll do to gushes

1081
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: out of there, man, if you can kind of cork

1082
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: that up with one of those things. What else? Ni, oh,

1083
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: what else? I guess it's while we're still on clothes.

1084
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: Talk gators. Yeah, I think people put I think a

1085
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: lot of guys were gators. They think they look badass.

1086
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: I think it looks like when you see a mug

1087
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: walking around and it's hot out and dry out and

1088
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: they got gators on, Like, what are you gatoring? Well,

1089
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: all gators are good for No, let me answer your questions,

1090
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: because you might be running like a very low profile

1091
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: more of like almost like a running shoe, like a

1092
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: body Rick Smith runs. And in that case, if you

1093
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: have one of those like small tightening, they call him

1094
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: scree gators. You know you're keeping the junk out of

1095
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: your shoes. It's I'm talking about I'm talking about big

1096
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: palon knee. Gators are good for the snow, they're good

1097
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: for wading through a bunch of wet brush, and they're

1098
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: good crossing a shallow creek. Crossing the shallow creek. But

1099
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: to be out tromping around and gators in nice weather.

1100
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand. It's like people who go snowshoeing when

1101
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: there's only a photo of snow, because I just want

1102
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: the experience of wearing the snowshoe, flipping snow up on

1103
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: their butt. Yeah, like I'm going snowshoeing, whether I need

1104
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: them or not. I think some people like the run gators.

1105
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: They feel like they're like a badass mountain hunter when

1106
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: they strapped those gators on. I really think that that's true. Kurt,

1107
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: what's your take on this. Well, I'm six ft four

1108
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: and I had a hell of a time finding pants

1109
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: that bloods that weren't. Yeah. Yeah, so a lot of times.

1110
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: That's that's why I wore them. But that being said,

1111
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: I I totally understand where you're coming from. You know

1112
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 1: when it's but if you're on a long hunt, So take,

1113
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: for example, on this hunt, are you going to take gators?

1114
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: No cumbering rain pants? Okay, so I always, I typically

1115
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: always take gators. But on a nice warm day, you

1116
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: figure out what do you what do you do with them?

1117
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: You know, you had them on in the morning because

1118
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: you get up in the morning and you know, everything's wet,

1119
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: so you don't want your pants to get wet or

1120
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, that's the reason that you have the gators.

1121
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: And then it gets nice in the middle of the day,

1122
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: and normally I'll wear them all day unless it gets

1123
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: so hot that it's uncomfortable in your calves and everything,

1124
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, because that's the thing is they just get like, yeah,

1125
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: it's just things get swampy inside there. Yeah. And if

1126
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: you've got a good pair of rain pants that you

1127
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: can buckle down or tighten down, you get you. I

1128
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: get my if I'm putting on, I'll even roll my

1129
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: pants up one or two times and then put my

1130
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: rain pants on and buckle them down. Yeah, that's a

1131
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: pro move if it's snowy. I like the gators, especially

1132
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: tent camping like this kind of stuff, because then you

1133
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: get all that snow packed up, you pull your pants off,

1134
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: and you realize this guy like that wet globs of

1135
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: basically like snowballs living between your pants and boots and stuff.

1136
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: That's that's not good. Gators are nice for that. Yeah,

1137
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: why are you looking at me like that? I'm just

1138
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: gonna add about your time about rolling your pants up

1139
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know why I got to do

1140
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: in that last September. That's how they hunt in New Zealand.

1141
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: They hunting shorts and boots. Yeah, but I was. I

1142
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: was wearing my gators. But what I was doing is

1143
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: I had those long, tall first Light socks on it,

1144
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: and I was tucking my pants into the tops of

1145
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: those socks so that they wouldn't be on top of

1146
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: my boots where there's moisture coming in even underneath the

1147
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: gators a little bit. And as soon as you know

1148
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: that moisture hits something that's dry, it's gonna want to

1149
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: wick and travel. And I would find that even though

1150
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: I was all covered up, when I had my pants down,

1151
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: I would have like the bottom, you know, fullat of

1152
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: my pants, possibly the tops of my socks would be wet.

1153
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: And You're like, can I really be sweating that much?

1154
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: Or why? Why was that? So as soon as I

1155
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: started doing that and bringing my cuffs up off of

1156
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: my boots and just letting the gator be with the boot,

1157
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: I had a h percent completely dry feet and dry

1158
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: socks and dry you know. When I got an a tent,

1159
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: I would roll down my pants and they'd be completely dry.

1160
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: People on people underestimate wicking. Yeah, water travels crazy places.

1161
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: If it's super wet and you're getting your cuffs wet,

1162
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: that's stuff of migrate way up your arm. Yeah. Well,

1163
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: John Edwards and snails telling me that he thinks a

1164
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: lot of people complain about having wet leaky boots because

1165
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: the water will actually come all the way up their pants,

1166
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: hit their socks, and then go down their socket into

1167
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: their boot where they're like the top of their boots

1168
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: better than their toes are. Do you ever look up

1169
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: water in the dictionary? No, it's good. You think you

1170
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: know all about water? It calls it. I think of

1171
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: liking almost universal solvent. There's nothing new with what we're

1172
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: talking about. Um, you good on gators. I'm gonna bring them.

1173
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: You bring them, not just your rain pants. Maybe I'll

1174
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: bring mind too. Good idea. You agree that people like

1175
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: the esthetics of gators. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.

1176
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: I like them. Do they realize how how sweaty they

1177
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: can make your calves? I gotta think about it. I

1178
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: can't decide. Um that's it for duds, I think so

1179
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: any there are accessories that we missed, gloves, hats, shades,

1180
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: What about some shades, shades, bring shades on your sheep. No, no, no,

1181
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: it's bad luck. It will just start raining. Really no,

1182
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: but no, I don't know. Brick chains, uh got Some

1183
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: days are nice to have, they are, yeah, yeah, I

1184
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't say. I think that's that's been because you almost

1185
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: have to bring a case, you do, and you have

1186
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: to keep track of them, and yeah, some days are nice,

1187
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: but they're a little bit hard to maintain. But some

1188
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: days it's just like it's so nice to have them. Yeah,

1189
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: especially if you're on the alpine not a lot of

1190
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: shady trees to hide under. No, but it's hard to

1191
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: glass with them, you know, you end up taking them off. Yeah,

1192
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: and I've had to be. I've had to be. There's

1193
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: one in particularly member cause I got a couple of

1194
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: photographs from it, like early on, as long as twenty

1195
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: years ago, um, hunting doll sheep where we were even

1196
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: like making taking duct tape to convert sunglasses into glacier glasses.

1197
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: It was that bad, especially when you get out in snowfields. Yeah,

1198
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: it is horrible, yep, and like trying to seal off

1199
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: anything around, like you're like that hurting for sunglasses and

1200
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: like keeping that in mind. If you're hanging around glaciers

1201
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: and stuff, keeping that in mind makes you be like,

1202
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: okay with carrying around sunglass because it's just as miserable.

1203
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: I take it you're gonna bring some after that for sure.

1204
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: Where it's just horrible. There's a lot of glare. Even

1205
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: the rock gets glary, the shale gets glary. You don't

1206
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: believe in them. No, I wouldn't say that I don't

1207
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: believe in them because I mean I always have sunglasses

1208
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: with me or on, you know, all summer. But I

1209
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: think it you just kind of get to that point

1210
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: of you know, what can I live without? Yeah, I'm

1211
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, boys Coast to send me some camouflage sunglasses,

1212
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, so I'll be able to hide. Dude, don't

1213
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: set them down. Well they got there. Hopefully it's yeah,

1214
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: hopefully it's reduced glare lens too, any any other clothing.

1215
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: So I want to move on anither clothing. I think

1216
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: I think we can move on unless we want to

1217
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: throw in that. Uh that I got a question about

1218
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: how we're not a question, but I want to see

1219
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: what you guys think about cotton. If you've ever really

1220
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: seen somebody go down, because of cotton, right because people

1221
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: say cotton kills and then have you figured it till

1222
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: we ever actually seen someone gets smoked. I've seen people. Um,

1223
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,439
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of the dudes. His first name

1224
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: is Chuck. I don't want to say his last name. Uh.

1225
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: Hunting Caribou had like a lot of like Carhart type

1226
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: stuff with them, and his just absolute system failure. What

1227
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: heavy cold, because you can't there's just nothing like you take,

1228
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: like there's nothing better. Man like dudes like you know,

1229
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: like big time horse guys, you know, because they can,

1230
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: like horse guys can pack so much ship with them, right,

1231
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: So horse guys will be like, you know, bring a

1232
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: big car heart jacket, like there's nothing better when it's

1233
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: cold to wake up and have that like wind proof

1234
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: you know thing. But um, and I've happily owned many

1235
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: of those things. But it's just like the kind of

1236
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: thing like once you get something like that wet, you

1237
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: can't get that. There's no wear in that dry. There's

1238
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: just nowhere in the dry and you could be packing

1239
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: around I don't know, five ten pounds of waterways jacket

1240
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,759
Speaker 1: like that for sure. Their day I had to wash

1241
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: my daughter's sleeping bag in a five gallon bucket, you know.

1242
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: I remember putting like filled that bucket about the third

1243
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: the way up. Remember we were beach comb and I

1244
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: found that that joga yep jugga detergent that I think

1245
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: came from the Japanese tsunami. Remember, because all that Japanese

1246
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: stuff laying everywhere still five down bucket about a third

1247
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: way up with water and just put a little splash

1248
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: that next I didn't have you other kind of salt

1249
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: and put that sleeping bag into that water vanished. I

1250
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: was like, wow, man, that's like aple, Like is that

1251
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: called pounds water? You know? More? Yeah, you can fit

1252
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: a lot of water, I mean a whole five gallon

1253
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: buckets forty pounds. You can fit a lot of water

1254
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: into fabric. And the fabric that you're not going to

1255
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: get it out of I think is no good. So

1256
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 1: in that way, yeah, and then I've seen people that

1257
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: had cotton socks. It just don't work unless you're just tough.

1258
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: But my brother can hunt cotton socks because he's impervious

1259
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: to discomfort. It's amazing. Yeah, he defies logic sometimes. I

1260
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: was with him, you know, a couple of weekends ago

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01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: for two or three nights in the woods, and I'm

1262
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: just like, really, that's what you're wearing, and that's what

1263
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: you're bringing, all right. Um, he's also got llamas too,

1264
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: so he's got a little bit of that horse guy

1265
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: in the mentality, you know, bringing the bring the kitchen sink,

1266
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, he can bring extra socks with him

1267
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: for sure. The third day, my kids found a dead

1268
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: gunnal looks like it's like a fish. It looks like

1269
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: an eel. They found it dead in a tide pool

1270
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: and then they were like put a scallop shell on

1271
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 1: the fire and boiled it. And it was already kind

1272
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: of nasty, you know when they found it and boiled,

1273
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: and he has ate the whole thing. They thought that

1274
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: was funny, but he just like doesn't you know what

1275
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean, dude doesn't. It's nothing bothers him. So you

1276
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 1: can't learn a whole lot from him, you know. I

1277
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: remember one time he drank coffee mug full of rendered

1278
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: bar oil. Oh my, we're just drank it because he

1279
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: wanted the calories. There's nothing happened to him either a

1280
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 1: coffee moment, a coffee mug of melted rendered bear lard

1281
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,759
Speaker 1: and just drank it. No, he said, no, ill effect,

1282
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: it just sounds foul. Dude's impervious. Man, This conversation would

1283
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: drive him nuts because you're just thinking, like, oh, crying out,

1284
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: wowd it's just complicated. Threw some stuff in a bag

1285
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: and go. No, he'd never participate to this kind of

1286
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 1: conversation that he just can't just like beyond his comprehension.

1287
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: People fussing over Rose, what about you? You ever seen

1288
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: Cotton really get work over someone? Yeah, a similar situation.

1289
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,520
Speaker 1: I hunted with a guy when I first moved to Alaska,

1290
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: and uh, we went on I hadn't hunted with him

1291
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: on on this type of hunt before, but we went

1292
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: on a goat hunt and it was late October. It

1293
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: was a registration hunt, and you know that typical heavy

1294
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: snow um hanging on all the alders and he had

1295
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: some sort of you know, Carhart type work pant on

1296
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: with some gators and yeah, by the time we got

1297
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: there was about five miles in, and you know, he

1298
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: was borderline hypothermic, and you just got everything set up,

1299
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: got him in a sleeping bag, you know, and then

1300
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: of course you're stuck, is the only thing that you have.

1301
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: So the trip was over. You know, we we spent

1302
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: the night, got him warm, waited for it to warm

1303
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: up a little bit that day, put the same cold

1304
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: pants on it out. You know. It's like that sucked,

1305
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: but especially since every goats in there. But yeah, yeah,

1306
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: that type of situation, it can it can become scary

1307
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:36,480
Speaker 1: in a hurry. Right, Yeah. Do you bring, um, anything

1308
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: that that would qualify as survival equipment. I think the

1309
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 1: biggest piece of survival equipment I take is a SAT phone,

1310
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, and something like this. Um, all right, you

1311
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: know I have an in reach to one of the

1312
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: two and UM, I think that that's my biggest portion

1313
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: of it, you know, and I just kind of keep

1314
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: my route updated it with my wife and so you know,

1315
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: have check in times and um. But yeah, as far

1316
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: as a specific piece of equipment or you know, within

1317
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: a first aid kit, just kind of your standard stuff. Um.

1318
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a special skill set in

1319
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: the medical fields, so I don't take anything that I

1320
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: don't know how to use. And that isn't far beyond

1321
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, trying to keep an infection down if you

1322
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: get caught. Yeah, I bring with triple triple antibiotic ointment

1323
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: and assortment of bandages. Yeah, yeah, I mean that that

1324
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: would be probably my biggest concern of something that I

1325
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: could take. Yeah, alcohol wipes, triple antibiotic ointment, yeah, knockle

1326
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: band aids, regular band aids. And I bring a little

1327
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 1: bit of a little role of med tape, which actually

1328
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: doubles as just general purpose tape. Yeah, like a little

1329
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: teeny roll of med tape, probably ten feet of it. Yeah. Yeah,

1330
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing that I think I

1331
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: could control. Is you get in situations where you know,

1332
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: you could get an infection from a after cleaning an

1333
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: animal or you know. But beyond that, I don't know.

1334
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't carry much else. Don't care like an extra

1335
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: lighter you have, like, oh no, I I carry a

1336
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: couple of lighters. I always have one on me and

1337
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: I always have one in my pack. Yeah, yep. And

1338
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: what what other kind of stuff like that? You bring matches?

1339
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: Just lighters? I do just bring lighters to bring fire

1340
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: starter material, I do, yep, yep, So you know, and

1341
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: it kind of depends year to year, but uh, typically

1342
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: some of like a vassline coated cotton ball or um

1343
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: some sort of gel. You know, you can buy different stuff.

1344
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: I play around with different things, but you don't have

1345
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: a few of those, and um, trying to think of

1346
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: what else I started using that. I take one of

1347
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: the dirt myths chew tins and feel it full of

1348
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: vassline coated cotton balls, because one the vassiline could be

1349
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: good for chap lips or any kind of other problem.

1350
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: Uh to the t s A, guys, don't steal it

1351
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: because you're not flying around with flammable stuff and burns

1352
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: like the Dickens man. Yeah, the cotton ball impregnated with vassilin.

1353
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: That's what I found too. I was really surprised. Yeah,

1354
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, that's probably the most important

1355
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: stuff of the situations I see myself getting into is

1356
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, being able to keep down and infection of

1357
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: some sort or you know, being able to get warm.

1358
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: You know, you look at the number of people that

1359
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: die of hypothermia or get into a bad situation because

1360
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: of that, and you know, probably one of the highest

1361
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: killers of you know, guys being out in the back country.

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01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: First off, you just gotta imagine that, like everything you

1388
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,839
Speaker 1: hunted in fish was cooked perfectly every time because Jewels

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1392
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01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,080
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1395
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: even start cooking. Jewel cooks food low and slow, so

1396
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,679
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1397
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1398
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1399
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,000
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1401
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:09,040
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1402
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,360
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01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something to dud Is tell me the

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01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: other night, do Is tell me that he he takes

1405
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: a roast right, takes a venison roast, two pound venison roast,

1406
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: and sue vieds that thing okay to one third. Then

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01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: he freezes it. Then he pulls it out to sear

1408
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: it because he's like, when it's frozen in the middle,

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01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: you can see the living but Jesus out of that

1410
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: thing and gets like a bark on it that you

1411
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe, and then sets it out because it's getting

1412
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,759
Speaker 1: pretty hot, and sets it out and lets it rest,

1413
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 1: and eventually that thing just comes to the right tempt

1414
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: from his own heat. He's loving to get yours. Visit

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Speaker 1: A few folks never went to school. That's the big letters.

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01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: Jewel perfect food. Every time I heard of a guy

1422
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 1: hunting doll sheep last year. They had to get flown

1423
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: out for heatstroke. Oh wow, I andn't heard of that. No,

1424
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: it's one or the other man. Yeah, damned if you do.

1425
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: Damn if you don't. You know, pride gators on. Yeah,

1426
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 1: that's what broken. So trying other things that would like

1427
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: there would people regard as as survival gear that you'd

1428
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: bring on say like a like an archery bow hunt

1429
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: or sometime of big time sheep hunt. You know I

1430
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: went hunted. Yeah, I hunted with a guy that didn't

1431
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: know if he was allergic to bees, and we got

1432
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: into a ground nest of wasps be you know, some

1433
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: type of hornet in Alaska, and he got stung seven

1434
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: or eight times. And that was the first time I

1435
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: started thinking about, you know, having something to deal with

1436
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 1: an EpiPen or what is it you know, ben at

1437
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: drill or you know something. Oh, I carry it, that's

1438
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: their thing, man. I carry an assortment of meds, but

1439
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: just single like single, this single that. Yeah, you know,

1440
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: a couple little like a handful of ivy profen. Yeah,

1441
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: oh anti diar reel, you gotta have that. I haven't

1442
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: brought that. That's a brilliant A good point. They're about

1443
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: they're about a tenth the size of a dime. I

1444
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: think that's a good one. That. Yeah, they are actually

1445
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: small even for a pill, you know. But like, yeah,

1446
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: I think I carry probably I probably have four of

1447
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: my kid, Yeah, because that'll slow you down to carry

1448
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: traditional compass, I don't. That's like total ship hits the fan, right, yeah,

1449
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: or you're hunting like out on the tunder or something

1450
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: where it's hard to tell what the what. But in

1451
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: the mountains, it's like the navigation is so different because

1452
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: it's just because you have such start topography to kind

1453
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: of help you figure out what's the what you do.

1454
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: If you go one and all for Cariboo, you know,

1455
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: you could like now you quickly have no idea what's

1456
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 1: going on, especially fog rolls in that type of thing,

1457
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, and when you're in the mountains, if you're

1458
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: in that kind of country, if the fog rolls in,

1459
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: you want to be able to see where you're going.

1460
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: You might get yourself into spot you can't get out

1461
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: of or you can't get down through. So yeah, no,

1462
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't carried one. I have one of

1463
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: those little micro compasses. It's in my survival kit along

1464
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: with I think there's still an emergency blanket in there.

1465
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: I've got a piece of paper and in a small

1466
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: pencil in there. There's a roll of duct tape in there,

1467
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: one of those like rolls. It's like your pinky. I

1468
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: gave up on emergency blankets, especially like sheep hunting. You

1469
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: just can't leave your pack. No, you can't leave your

1470
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: pack mm hmm, because as you got it, you're so vulnerable.

1471
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: It's you can't be going off for like a day hunt,

1472
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 1: you know, because you don't have an extra thing anyway.

1473
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: It's like the things is always with you, you know. Yeah,

1474
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: you know. Another good one is I carry a small

1475
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: roll of guerrilla tape neither my ice ACKs or my

1476
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: my walking stick, you know. And and a little bit

1477
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: of electrical tape too, but that guerrilla tape. And I'm

1478
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: sure lots of duct tapes the same way, but the

1479
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: guerrilla tape seems to have a little bit more gummy

1480
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: on it, and it's worked well to be able to

1481
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: seal up pants when you know, you know, like tore

1482
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: home my pants or my gators and you massage that

1483
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: in there and hit it with the lighter a couple

1484
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 1: of times and get hot and yeah it'll it'll seal

1485
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: up a lot. But I carry those that what are

1486
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: those patches of circle patches for the therm arrest And

1487
01:22:55,479 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 1: then yeah, the name of the tape is it's the

1488
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: greatest stuff in the world. Man. It comes these a

1489
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: weird little roles. Is it a k isn't it? You

1490
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: don't know it, man, you have to look it up now.

1491
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: It's basically like, yeah, it's like you're at the outer

1492
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: textile of a rain jacket with some but you can

1493
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 1: buy two inch circles of it. Yeah, it's about his

1494
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: bulky is cutting two inch circle out of a piece

1495
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: of printer paper. But it's the perfect patch. Yeah, that'd

1496
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: be great patch, sleeping bag, patch, therm arrest, Yeah, patch anything.

1497
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, actually run a therm arrest. You bring

1498
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 1: a sleeping pad, yeah, yeah, I'm not that tough. Yeah.

1499
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 1: I got like a little Nemo blow up sleeping pad.

1500
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: I bring it. Yeah. Well, and and when it gets cold,

1501
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: I mean that's boy it is, yeah, sleeping on cold ground.

1502
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: So first, yeah, so for a sleep system, Yeah, I

1503
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,799
Speaker 1: go tent and I've messed around all kinds of stringing

1504
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: tarps up with strings and stuff. But it's like, which

1505
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: is great until things are nasty or until you're stuck

1506
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: in the fog for days on end. Yeah, I use

1507
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: a tent. I use an inflated a very lightweight inflatable

1508
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: insulated pad, and I use a sleeping bag that is

1509
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 1: five or ten degrees lower than what I expect the

1510
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: lows to be. I never like gamble on good weather

1511
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: with a sleeping bag, because once you get tired and

1512
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: you're just not getting good sleep and you're cold all night,

1513
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: it just affects your whole game, it does. Yeah, So

1514
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: something like this, I'll probably like you know, like like

1515
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: say like an archery l Cohn or you know, August

1516
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: Sheep or whatever. I'd probably bring like a fifteen degree bag. No.

1517
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: One that is probably gonna I'm probably gonna be sleeping

1518
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: with a zipper open. Yeah, well, there isn't that much

1519
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: weight difference between the fifteen and you know even a

1520
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 1: thirty and what six eight don'ts is? And I owned

1521
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,959
Speaker 1: so many sleeping bags right now, it's like kind of ridiculous.

1522
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 1: That's what makes me have like I used to have

1523
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: all sleep like when I was younger. You said, oh, bag,

1524
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: it's a bit of bag on everywhere you went. Yeah,

1525
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: you know. Now I'm like, who do I want? You know,

1526
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: I can get right down to the degree, you know,

1527
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: and it's kind of annoying, right and look at Yeah

1528
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 1: you're Montana September sheet punt zero or fifteen for you,

1529
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: I'll take a fifteen. You take a tent or no tent?

1530
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I always take a tu Yeah, new Stone

1531
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: glacier tent will be yeah, new Stone Glacier tent. But

1532
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: that's a two man tent. It is a two man

1533
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: tent and it's lighter than my one man so what yeah, yeah,

1534
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: right right there close. So you air because I I

1535
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: put I put a My one man is a little

1536
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: bit modified because I put a stove jack in it,

1537
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: so it bumped it up over the weight. But so

1538
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: you air on the side of heavy duty tent, I do.

1539
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: I had a couple of bad experiences and um, not

1540
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: as bad as it could have been. But you know,

1541
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 1: that's that's a game change. It seemed that that that,

1542
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: to me in a couple of situations, was the last

1543
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: lifeline that if you know, if you're out there by

1544
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: yourself and you're in a miserable miserable storm and you

1545
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: don't have shelter. You know, hype a thermia is you

1546
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: can die. Yeah, it's gonna happen. You bring a book

1547
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 1: I have in the past. Yeah, yeah, I actually hadn't

1548
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: thought about that this time. We got stuck hunting sheep

1549
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: one time in the fox and I was some I

1550
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: want to snow it after the fog. My brother had

1551
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: a book and we cut that book in thirds because

1552
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: there's three of us. We cut that book in thirds

1553
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 1: because it was his book, his book. He got to

1554
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: read the first part first, but like the other people

1555
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: had to start like either the second third or middle third,

1556
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 1: and we swapped that book around. Everyone read that book.

1557
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: It was like a biography of the first superintendent of

1558
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: the Nali National Part. Not a great book, some good

1559
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: stories in there. Um in that book, they're always out

1560
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 1: hunting bears to get bear large to make biscuits. I

1561
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,719
Speaker 1: remember thinking that was interesting. But yeah, man, reading material.

1562
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 1: But now it's just easy to have something not You

1563
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: don't need a big book, you know, you don't have

1564
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: like a sometime to keep you entertaining. Yeah, you can

1565
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 1: have like a little digital reader. Yeah, and have a

1566
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: lot of stuff on it. Yeah, but it's just someone

1567
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: and then you're like packing stuff just in case you

1568
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: get stuck. Yeah, and that's that was one of the

1569
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: things that I started to look at, is you know,

1570
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: on a scale I wouldn't attend can you can you

1571
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: live without it? You know? Or how often are you

1572
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: going to use it? And you know, you you kind

1573
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: of you sign a value to you have this group

1574
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: of equipment here on the table, you don't know whether

1575
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 1: to put in your pack, and you kind of sign

1576
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: a value to it, and you're like, Okay, now I

1577
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: can quantify whether or not I should take that book

1578
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: or I should take whatever it might be. It falls

1579
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 1: on this spectrum. Yeah, your shoes being on one end

1580
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: and then a heart and then your book being on

1581
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: the other end of the spectrum of like necessity. Yeah,

1582
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's like tough calls and a lot

1583
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: of times I don't know until the last second, I'll

1584
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: still have like a little bag laying there to the

1585
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 1: last second and I'm still like in my mind, yeah,

1586
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: kicking it a weighing it out. Yeah, you need to pack,

1587
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,799
Speaker 1: like you feel when you're walking back to the strip,

1588
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, when you're just absolutely torn up and you're

1589
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: thinking of all of the ship that you're carrying that

1590
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: you didn't ever touch. You're thinking, next time, I'm not

1591
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: going to do that. I used to and I haven't

1592
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: here in the last few years, but I used to

1593
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 1: always carry a little tablet with me and and leave

1594
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: it at the strip and kind of go through if

1595
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 1: there was something, I'd make notes about my trip, you know,

1596
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: when I was waiting to get picked up and say

1597
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: I didn't use this, did use this, could have used that,

1598
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: all those little fine point I see, you'd kind of

1599
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: forget down the road. So that that that also helped

1600
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: to kind of refine the entire gear list program. What

1601
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 1: do you what do you like for water water purification?

1602
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: I'll say what I like. I'm telling you man, we

1603
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: have just switched let me back up and we're talking

1604
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:27,440
Speaker 1: about survival stuff. Yeah. I carry a few idine tablets

1605
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: in the little individual packs, right, a few ID one tablets,

1606
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:36,600
Speaker 1: but we've switched those those uh sterry pens man in

1607
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: for red light. I've never used. It's just like you're going,

1608
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 1: are you running a palm? No? Oh, you're just going. No,

1609
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: it's drinking just drinking bear shit water. No. No, I

1610
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: haven't done that either. No. I used a pump for

1611
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: a while, and then I had some issues, um wow,

1612
01:29:56,360 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: with silt, and you know, they're kind of cumbersome pain

1613
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: and as you dread it, you're like, oh, man, I

1614
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 1: gotta go down to the creek in the dark pump

1615
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: and then and then that's all I brought. And then

1616
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: of course the things filled with water and it froze

1617
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 1: and then you know, cracked, and then it doesn't work,

1618
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: so you get white. You need to get a pen, man, Well,

1619
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: I think I might because all I've been carrying my

1620
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: longer trips is just tablets. Yeah, you don't want to

1621
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 1: drink all that all the time. Man, this is not

1622
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 1: good for you know, I figured for fourteen days. Like

1623
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: Steve always says, it ain't gonna be the thing that

1624
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: kills you because you ate drinking eye eyed water. No,

1625
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be what kills you. And I and

1626
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I regret saying that it's not good for you because

1627
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I don't really know, and it's not you're doing a

1628
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: year round for your whole life. However, a starry pen

1629
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: it's the size of, well what it's the size of

1630
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: if you take two fingers and join it up to

1631
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 1: your other two fingers. Those sons of bitches are the nicest.

1632
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: That's a great But that person should get a Nobel

1633
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 1: prize in backpack. So how do you use it, dude?

1634
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: Do you fill up analogene and then drink through the

1635
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: straw in? No? No, no, no, no, not straws. You

1636
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: fill a bottle up. Oh, they drop in there. Yeah,

1637
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: it's a wand yeah it drops in there. It doesn't

1638
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: drop in there. You wave it in there. Okay, I

1639
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: got you. I'm following what you're saying. Now, it's a

1640
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 1: it looks like it's like a flashlight, so you can

1641
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: put it right in. It looks like a flash No,

1642
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like a flashlight. It looks like a

1643
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: flashlight handle, lightsaber, looks like a little miniatu. It's it's

1644
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: a lightsaber that's seven inches long. Okay, you dip your net.

1645
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: However you go about it. You get a bottleful, get

1646
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 1: a water bottleful, and put that thing in there and

1647
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: wave it around for ninety seconds. Can you throw it

1648
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: and like a hydration bladder? No, I think that we've

1649
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: I've done it. Get and just hope for the best,

1650
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: because it says it basically one. You know, I think

1651
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,679
Speaker 1: you tap it twice for half a leader and tap

1652
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: it once for a full lead. So if you're doing,

1653
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: you know, a gallon hydration bladder, you know, do it

1654
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: three times and swirl it around and hope you're killing

1655
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: everything in there. Or I guess I'm always running a

1656
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: bladder and analogy. So I would just do my analogy

1657
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: and poured in there and do my analogy. That we're

1658
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: opening up another question now that has to do with water.

1659
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: So you're running tablets. Do you run the double tablet

1660
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: where you do the iodine, then you do the thing

1661
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 1: that takes away the taste of the iodine and just

1662
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: running the iodine. Yeah, I started bringing those. You like them? Yeah?

1663
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: I like them. It just takes a little bit of

1664
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: the taste away. Okay, So I have that, I have

1665
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: my sterry pen. I bring a water bottle and then

1666
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: I bring a a bladder that like the MSR bladders

1667
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 1: because then you can go down and get a heap

1668
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: and helping the water, especially in sheep country. Yeah man, yeah, dude,

1669
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: you're like two thousand feet above the wall. And that's

1670
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: that's what I do too, is I carry they're the

1671
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: I have the two lead ones. I carry two of

1672
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: the two lead ones, and Platypus makes them and they're

1673
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 1: just a couple ounces. They're the super lightweight plastic stuff. Yeah,

1674
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: they have to guess the fails man well, but I

1675
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: don't have to use them that often, you know. I'm

1676
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: talking about the MSR ones that are like almost like

1677
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: a like a fabric. Yeah. Yeah, but I just carry

1678
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: these ones to carry extra water. So say, for example,

1679
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: if I'm going into a spot where I don't think

1680
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,759
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be water, I'll have my regular hydration

1681
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 1: bladder and then I'll have either one or two of these,

1682
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: so you know, I can take six eight liters of

1683
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: water up above tree line if you if you don't

1684
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna have water up there, so you

1685
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 1: use a hydration bladder in your pack. No, I never

1686
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 1: put it in my pack. I put it in the

1687
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 1: lid because you can't be doing that if you're in

1688
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: a place where you can't afford to have your stuff

1689
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: at all wet. Well, and it just in my experience,

1690
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: caused nothing but issues because as the water bladder starts

1691
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: to get smaller, you lose your compression. Things shift it

1692
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: pinches the hose or it pinches off the you know,

1693
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 1: you can't tighten the pack down super freezes. The hose freezes.

1694
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: So that's the other thing. As soon as there's snow

1695
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: on the ground and I leave the I don't bring

1696
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: a bladder anymore. It's travel I carry eating snow, milk drink. Yeah, yeah,

1697
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: I swapped. I swapped the bladder for an extra canister

1698
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: of fuel and so you know, just you know, stop,

1699
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 1: heat up some water, get at my water bottle and

1700
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: keep rolling. You only do that a couple few times.

1701
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: Do you like those plastic platypus ones? Well, I like

1702
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: them because I can carry extra water. I won't be

1703
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: I I never use them as a as a daily Yeah,

1704
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: as your daily. I don't have a hose hook to them.

1705
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 1: They are just water. And then they laughed for that.

1706
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can't carrying around because in some areas,

1707
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: I'll like have my water bubble. I'll also fill up

1708
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: the MSR jug the ms R and put that in

1709
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 1: my backpack. Yeah. Depending on what your thing is going

1710
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: on with water and water could be tough. Oh that

1711
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: can ruin it. Huh. What do you like for a stove?

1712
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 1: I got so many different stoves, man, and then the

1713
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: pilots like like the bush pilots now not like in

1714
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: the canisters. Has move things back? Yeah, because he used

1715
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: to use like slot stoves, you know, then went to

1716
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 1: canister stoves. But now no one wants to fly the canisters. Yeah,

1717
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: so it's like back to slot stoves. Now. Well I

1718
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: heard that slut. Oh well, you know, like my optimist

1719
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 1: stove you can burn diesel on aviation fuel. Yeah, it's

1720
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 1: not my terms, Cora McCarthy's term. Got it. What are

1721
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: you packing for a stove? It depends on the time

1722
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: of year of the hunt. Um, so I say, on

1723
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: on this hunt, I'm trying to take virtue. All the

1724
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 1: food doesn't have to be cooked, you know, maybe it

1725
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: needs to be rehydrated. So you know, you need to

1726
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: rehydrate it at noon for it to be ready in

1727
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 1: the evening, but not counting on cooking and boiling water

1728
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 1: every day, so then you can go lighter on your fuel. Um,

1729
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm using the msru is it is it the dragonfly

1730
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 1: on what's that one called? It's just that whisper light.

1731
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: Whisper light. Yeah, it's just that that's one. It is

1732
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,600
Speaker 1: that little triangular stap plastic container. Yeah. Yeah, well I

1733
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 1: had that one too, and then they make they actually

1734
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: came up with a smaller version of that, and I

1735
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: just it just hits on a canister or you run, no,

1736
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: it fits on a canister. Oh you're thinking of the

1737
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 1: pocket rocket. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's nice little stone

1738
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: it is. That's a great little show. So I'll carry that,

1739
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 1: um one or two cans of fuel of the you know,

1740
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: the smaller four ounce ones and um and just not

1741
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: count on cooking much. You know, maybe if you need

1742
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: to melt snow for water or something, so you'll go

1743
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 1: the whole day and not eating anything warm. Yeah, most

1744
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: of the time. Most of the time. I'm not into

1745
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: that scene, man. Yeah, So tell me what you're instead

1746
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: of having a house at night, what are you eating? Um? Well,

1747
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 1: I carry a lot of bars, um, you know, and

1748
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of different things. And there's

1749
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: a few of the mountain houses too that if you

1750
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: get water in them early enough that it'll just be

1751
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: like cold leftovers by the end of the night, you know,

1752
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: so by the time you're ready to eat it, so

1753
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,600
Speaker 1: you're just start thinking about dinner at noon. Throw some

1754
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: water you can. Yeah, you can do that. Um and uh,

1755
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: you know you can do it with different ramen. You

1756
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: can do the same thing or instant rice. It just

1757
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 1: takes longer. I never thought about that with the house

1758
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 1: Do you take a house packet and put cold water there?

1759
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: Some of them? Some of them you can. The chicken

1760
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: arryaky rice is the one that I carry. There is

1761
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 1: also a that is that like all you can find

1762
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: that information online or have you just learned that over experience? No,

1763
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: they were just the ones that I liked and you know,

1764
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 1: just tried it. You cold oatmeal in the morning, m yeah, yeah,

1765
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: well a lot of I actually, I mean I have

1766
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 1: in the past. I don't carry any oatmeal anymore. You

1767
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: don't drink coffee, no goose shots with double caffeine. Oh yeah, yeah,

1768
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just try not to cook very

1769
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 1: much because I found that cooking in the darks of

1770
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: pain in the assid it always I don't know, I

1771
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 1: would rather just be going to sleep because you know,

1772
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: typically by the time it's dark you know what in Montana,

1773
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 1: you know, nine ten o'clock. Well it's not quite that

1774
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 1: late maybe in Alaska. But point being, as you know,

1775
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 1: rather be climbing into the tent. And so then if

1776
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: you're cooking during the you know, in the evening hours

1777
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 1: before it gets dark, that's that's prime time to be

1778
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: behind the glass. So I just found it was easier

1779
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,680
Speaker 1: to you know, try to get that stuff taken care

1780
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: of dur in the middle of the day and maybe

1781
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 1: it's not as you know, not as good a hund

1782
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 1: and then then the same thing in the morning. Ah,

1783
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 1: get up, throw something in your pocket and get after

1784
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 1: it wherever, get to your glassing spot, you know, post

1785
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: figuring out. Yeah, breakfast is pretty easy to eat that way,

1786
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: like while you're glass and start snacking, you know, next thing,

1787
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, what's new yea, Yeah, I just try to

1788
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 1: make it as low maintenance as possible. Man, you wouldn't

1789
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:29,679
Speaker 1: like our set up. We got mayonnaise, mustard, sandwich, thins

1790
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 1: ham cheese. Yeah that sounds nice. I like, yeah, man,

1791
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 1: I like I like to try to get the but

1792
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: I like to try to get the food in. Man. Yeah,

1793
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: there's certain I know, there's like there's certain things where

1794
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: I think everybody breaks in their own direction when it

1795
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 1: comes to like what what warrants being carried, you know,

1796
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 1: and what's enjoyable because ultimately we go out there because

1797
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: we want to have fun, and so if somebody isn't

1798
01:39:54,439 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 1: having fun, because you know, they just yeah, yeah, yeah,

1799
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 1: it goes psychologically. Man. That's kind of my happiest part

1800
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: of the day. Actually, Yeah, my happiest part of the

1801
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 1: day having some house. Yeah. And it's not always that way,

1802
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 1: especially the elk hunting in Montana or you know where

1803
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: you have that stuff. But on the longer hunts, the

1804
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 1: sheep hunts, you know, when the weather it's a little

1805
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: bit more of the fall and not winter. I don't know,

1806
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 1: that's just the warm meal hasn't been as much of

1807
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 1: a priority. Yeah, you do, you bring any you don't

1808
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 1: bring any kind of fruit or anything, right, apples and

1809
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: stuff because dried you know, a lot of you know,

1810
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff has dried fruit in it. Um. Yeah.

1811
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: And there's some really good bars out there. If you

1812
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: guys have ever had the Green Belly meals, No, Man,

1813
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 1: we've got every barn the planet, but I never heard

1814
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: of that one or thought I had every every barn

1815
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 1: the planet. I'll tell you they're a ship. They're so good. Um,

1816
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: call Green Belly. Order them online. Order them online. Yeah,

1817
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 1: the guy runs a really cool business and uh, well

1818
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: we'll pull out like we'll have an assortment. Man, we

1819
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: got like kind pro I can't name them all, tons

1820
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 1: of them. Well, these zones are old schoolers. Yeah. They

1821
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 1: come with two bars in each pack and there's six

1822
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 1: hundred calories and the guy went through for the two

1823
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 1: of them. It is so I mean, it's it's a

1824
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: it's a meal replacement as much as it is, you know,

1825
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 1: a snack, but um, they are they are balanced fats,

1826
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:37,600
Speaker 1: proteins and carbs across the board, and so it's a

1827
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:39,680
Speaker 1: really well rounded and he has a cool story on

1828
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: the background. I'll probably butcher it if I try to

1829
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: tell you, yeah, because you know what, I was really

1830
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: excited about it. But if there's a if it's a

1831
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 1: bar that has like the story written on the bag

1832
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's nauseatingly cute. No no, no, it's not here.

1833
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: He's an ultra light guy. Okay, because now and then,

1834
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: like you'll read like every guy that came out with

1835
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: the bar, it feels like he's a put like a

1836
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 1: very cute see like why I make these bars or

1837
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 1: the marketing team that he picked up. Yeah, and so

1838
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 1: we'll sometimes sit around we don't have any books to

1839
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,639
Speaker 1: be able to read those bar bags. And now it's

1840
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh my god, it's like a whole

1841
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 1: it's a whole other type of literature. Man. Yeah, it

1842
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 1: all started one old mom. I would like, just give

1843
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 1: me the bar bro so, no coffee, no vas, drink

1844
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 1: a little tea at night. Um, no, you're running cold.

1845
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 1: You're cold, camping cold, camping tough, little bastard, because it's

1846
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 1: not it's it's really not that bad, you know. Into it,

1847
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that's what I was gonna. I was

1848
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 1: just gonna bring that point up. You quickly get used

1849
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 1: to whatever situation you made. You get used to it.

1850
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 1: But at the same time you already bringing some fuel anyway.

1851
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:57,640
Speaker 1: It's like a dinky bit more to be able to

1852
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: warm up your food at night. Yeah. Yeah, And not

1853
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 1: to say that I you know that I don't or

1854
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: that you know, if time allows that, you're in a

1855
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 1: good you know spot, but I plan on not doing it. Yeah.

1856
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: It's kind of as I go through a lot of times,

1857
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 1: we'll eat house, um right, pre evening glass session. Yeah,

1858
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: an early dinner like you might hit some like four o'clock.

1859
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 1: You might hit a four o'clock house, right, Yeah, and

1860
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 1: then yeah, like you said, it's late. It's kind of

1861
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: shady to go to bed on a full belly, so

1862
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 1: that way, and then you just have like you know,

1863
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: maybe another half a bar on your right at the tent. Yeah,

1864
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,640
Speaker 1: we'll go out for an evening glass and session and

1865
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:45,320
Speaker 1: actually grab some water, grab a stove, get up there

1866
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: and get settled in, have a sack of food, and

1867
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 1: then kind of wrap up your couple hours of prime time.

1868
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 1: Then you just roll down and have a candy bar

1869
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: or something to go to bed. Yeah. That's some pleasurable

1870
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 1: evenings man. It is, you know, sitting behind the glass

1871
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 1: with with you know, your food and steaming up the limbs. Yeah,

1872
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 1: knowing that you're not going anywhere until like the one

1873
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 1: I at ten times, when all of a sudden you

1874
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 1: find what you're looking for and okay, drop everything. Yeah.

1875
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: So do you, um, when you're going on a long hunt,

1876
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 1: what do you what's your theory on binoculars and spot

1877
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: and scope? I think it depends on the country. So

1878
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: when when I was hunting Alaska guy, I went very

1879
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:36,719
Speaker 1: light weight on both, so I was ah, I wasn't

1880
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 1: as concerned with glass in Alaska as I am here

1881
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,760
Speaker 1: in Montana on these hunts, just because picking out a

1882
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: white sheep on black rock is different than it is. Yeah,

1883
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: it is, and it's a little bit different. And and

1884
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 1: you know, uh, I didn't feel confident shooting a ram

1885
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: on age, so I did. I didn't feel like I

1886
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 1: was going to be in a spot trying to count rings, um,

1887
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I I would bring something lighter that

1888
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:08,839
Speaker 1: was middle of the road on a spotting scope and

1889
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 1: just some lightweight binoculars. I had some little like a

1890
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: pocket binoculars and um, and you know, it was just

1891
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: enough to scan around as you moved, and it was

1892
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 1: just you know, it's just a different program. You're not

1893
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 1: trying to pick sheep out of the timber. You're you're

1894
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,720
Speaker 1: you're trying to make sure you know that you don't

1895
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 1: make a mistake when you come up over a ridge,

1896
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 1: so you know, a quick scan to make sure that

1897
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna be exposed. And and then

1898
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 1: once you got in a spot, your glassing was more organized,

1899
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 1: you had more time, you were getting a spot, you

1900
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 1: set up your spotting scope. You know, it's just much

1901
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:45,759
Speaker 1: different than hunting through Montana, where your view is changing

1902
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 1: all the time and you're you're kind of always seemed

1903
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 1: to behind your glass make sure you don't blow something out,

1904
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 1: and so you know, but that being said, in Montana, um,

1905
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: this time, I'll be carrying a swarrow eighty five and

1906
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what I've carried on these hunts.

1907
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 1: And then go a little bit lighter on a big

1908
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 1: bruiser of a spot, in the big bruiser of a

1909
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: spotting and that's where I'm spending the majority of my

1910
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 1: time as I set the spotting scope to glass. And

1911
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 1: then really you just one eyeball it all day long.

1912
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't get well, yeah, it gets old. But

1913
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 1: you know there's don't you feel like you'd be more

1914
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 1: effective just just running like a pair of tens or

1915
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 1: twelves and just picking off movement with a bigger field

1916
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 1: of view and more comfortable, less eyestrain. Yeah, yeah, I

1917
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 1: think when things are moving you probably would be. But

1918
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 1: the problem is you spend a lot of the day

1919
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 1: looking in spots where you're just trying to pick out

1920
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,679
Speaker 1: anything and ear you know, a rump. You know, you're

1921
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:48,599
Speaker 1: trying to find bedded animals as you move down through um,

1922
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: you know, say spend a lot of time in the timber.

1923
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,800
Speaker 1: And so yeah, you're absolutely right. If if if you're

1924
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 1: glassing for things that are feeding in the evening and

1925
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: they're in the morning, something that's on the move, and

1926
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 1: you're trying to cover a lot of country, I think

1927
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:06,679
Speaker 1: behind the perpon oculars would be way better. But and

1928
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: and it depends on the distance too. You know a

1929
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 1: lot of those canyons, you you might be glass and

1930
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, close to a mile away trying to pick

1931
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 1: something out. And that's tough when you uh, when you

1932
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 1: were hunting doll sheep a lot were you did you

1933
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time or did you just kind

1934
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:28,760
Speaker 1: of skim through everything? I skim. I think that was

1935
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 1: the thing that I really liked about it was that

1936
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 1: it was it was a higher it was a lot

1937
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,719
Speaker 1: higher paced. You know, you're you're just covering ground, and

1938
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: you know that was the key, covering ground, get into

1939
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: places that you can glass, you know, move to the

1940
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:47,679
Speaker 1: next spot opposed to you know, when you're hunting these

1941
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 1: animals that are in the timber, you'll walk right by.

1942
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 1: I proved that. Yeah, so you know that story. Well,

1943
01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 1: the same area I'm going into right now is the

1944
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: first place I hunted ten years ago, and I didn't

1945
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 1: see a sheep, and you know, and that's because I

1946
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 1: was I. I just hunted it like you know, like

1947
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 1: we did doll sheep. You know, try to get elevation,

1948
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,280
Speaker 1: cover as much country as you can, spend the time

1949
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 1: through the glass and just systematically moved through areas. But

1950
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 1: you couldn't. You had to spend a lot more time

1951
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 1: in one spot. I think if you if you want

1952
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: to find animals, and so you're saying you proved it

1953
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:31,960
Speaker 1: by not finding what I proved it by not finding anything. Yeah, no,

1954
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 1: now knowing that they're probably were they were there, Oh

1955
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure I walked by sheep.

1956
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:44,639
Speaker 1: How many? Uh what's your thoughts on a cubic inches

1957
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: for backpack because you got a plan on being able

1958
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:49,880
Speaker 1: to pack that sheet back out? Yeah, well I think

1959
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 1: that that's that was kind of where my designs came

1960
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 1: from for backpacks, was not having to figure that out.

1961
01:48:56,680 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: So size your bag to the size of your gear.

1962
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 1: You don't you have to size it to the gear

1963
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: plus food if you don't want to because you can

1964
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:06,680
Speaker 1: carry the gear in the load shelf, but now you

1965
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 1: always have the designated spot for the load shelf for

1966
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 1: the meat for your pack out meat and horns. So

1967
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 1: you know, instead of having to carry a seventy cubic

1968
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: kinch bag, now maybe you only need to carry four

1969
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:24,679
Speaker 1: thousand cubic you know, to fit all of your gear

1970
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: and food. And then you always know that you have

1971
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: that three thousand cubic inches a space designated when you

1972
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 1: separate the back away from the frame in the load shelf,

1973
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: and you don't have to worry about it. And you know,

1974
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: on the flip side, you can do the same thing

1975
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:41,240
Speaker 1: which I've done, is to carry all the food in

1976
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 1: the load shelf in the in the same bag that

1977
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: you carry meat out in. And you know, as soon

1978
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 1: as you get to camp, everything is organized. You just

1979
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 1: pulled the bag out, take what you need, keep moving.

1980
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 1: Or you know, in in wilderness areas where you're required

1981
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 1: to sling the food in the tree, everything's already organized.

1982
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 1: You just pull it out, hut it up the tree,

1983
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: keep moving. Do you not bring a um? Do you

1984
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 1: not bring a trash bag liner? Because I don't? Yeah,

1985
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 1: because man like nothing keeps blood like there's no short

1986
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 1: of that nothing, He's blood out of everything. No, but

1987
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 1: that's why if you have it in the load shelf,

1988
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 1: you never worry about just let it go. Yeah, yeah,

1989
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean that, and that's that's part of the design

1990
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 1: is the fact that the the load cell that you

1991
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,719
Speaker 1: that you put the meat in, the blood can drain,

1992
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: so you don't get you know, especially in Alaska, I

1993
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 1: mean if you have sixties seventy eighty degree days, you

1994
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:38,800
Speaker 1: get that coagulated blood in the bottom that the meat

1995
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 1: is just sitting and it's constantly moist, you know, just

1996
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: great place to grow bacteria and you know, taint meat.

1997
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 1: So you're allowing the meat to drain, just drain out

1998
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 1: the bottom of the bag. And then you know, in

1999
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 1: between the bag and the frame, the back side of

2000
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 1: the bag is hydrophobic material xpacts, so you don't ever

2001
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: get any migration of the you know, have the blood

2002
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:05,400
Speaker 1: or any sort of anything that can contaminate your your gear.

2003
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 1: So now you don't need that. Before you started the

2004
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 1: Stone Glacier, what was the backpacks you were messing around with? UM.

2005
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 1: I played with quite a few different ones, mostly the internals,

2006
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 1: so you know, I had some arc tereks I had

2007
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 1: some north face but just regular mountaineering bags. But you know,

2008
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't long before I figured out that

2009
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 1: they just didn't quite have enough stability. You know. One,

2010
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:40,560
Speaker 1: once you got a hundred plus pounds in them, you

2011
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 1: get a lot more roll and shift out. They didn't

2012
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 1: have as many compression straps as the hunting packs had,

2013
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 1: but they were lightweight, they were comfortable, and so that's

2014
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 1: what I did a lot of a lot of hunting with.

2015
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 1: But there you're back in the same spot. Now you're

2016
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 1: putting the meat in there and right in there. So yeah,

2017
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:02,000
Speaker 1: it creates a tough situation. Yeah, that's where you see

2018
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 1: the limitation of the pack because on those packs, you

2019
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,200
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna be carrying, and you know it's

2020
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 1: only gonna get lighter. Yep, as you eat your food.

2021
01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 1: There's never the thing of like, oh man, you know, yeah,

2022
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: what could happen if you get lucky? Yeah, and how

2023
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna go? Yeah, and you're like trying to tie

2024
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 1: jump to the outside and just yeah, yeah it is

2025
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 1: a mess. That can be a mess. Yeah you don't

2026
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 1: but yeah, so that that's kind of the point is,

2027
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: is you know, size the bag to the gear and

2028
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 1: your food what you need at the time, and then

2029
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 1: let the low shelf silk everything else up. Yeah. How

2030
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 1: many how many rounds you bring with you? I usually

2031
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 1: bring about ten, so you're pretty heavy on rounds. Yeah. Yeah,

2032
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 1: and no, I think that we all we all realize

2033
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 1: that we run thirteen. I think there's just three because

2034
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:58,480
Speaker 1: you got a few. You got a couple of the magazine.

2035
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 1: Three in the magazine and you grab one of those. Yeah,

2036
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:04,679
Speaker 1: you grab a sleeve. And that's a really good point.

2037
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 1: I think we might have talked about this last time,

2038
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,559
Speaker 1: and I think I might have said third team because

2039
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember if I was counting the ten

2040
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 1: total or ten and then three. So yeah, but I'm less.

2041
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,640
Speaker 1: I usually just carry too whatever my gun is. I

2042
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: have like two mag's full. I like my gun full,

2043
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:26,280
Speaker 1: and then I'll have enough in my pocket to reload.

2044
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 1: Here's my thinking. My thinking is that what's always in

2045
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 1: my head, it never doesn't happen, is that you're gonna

2046
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 1: fall bad m hm and be like, man, I gotta

2047
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 1: fire a couple rounds to check my zero. YEA have

2048
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 1: a problem there. You need to fire a couple more

2049
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:44,680
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have to shoot some rocks in

2050
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 1: front of a grizzly bear to scare them off, and

2051
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 1: then you're gonna be like, dude, I only got two rounds.

2052
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 1: What if something goes wrong? Right? So that's kind of like, oh,

2053
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 1: how I think about it? And I always like trying

2054
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 1: to keep them, always put them a couple different places.

2055
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 1: Like I'll put a couple of my magazine, I stick

2056
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 1: one of my binal harness, and then I put my

2057
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:07,640
Speaker 1: other one somewhere else. So I sort of have like

2058
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 1: like a system, like a redundancy system. If I remember, right,

2059
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:15,080
Speaker 1: you're the one that you're running three wind right for

2060
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:18,679
Speaker 1: sheep ill At the time, I was running a three

2061
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:24,720
Speaker 1: seventy eight weather be in a Flaska. So if you

2062
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 1: lightened up your yeah, yeah, I have a I have

2063
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 1: a three weather be now a lot of medicine for

2064
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 1: a sheep it is. But boy, you know, with with

2065
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 1: these v l d s and just the accuracy and

2066
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,080
Speaker 1: you know the lack of wind drift and the energy

2067
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 1: that it carries down range. Right, Yeah, you're very shot

2068
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 1: long range. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't shoot

2069
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 1: too far. Uh, you know, conditions would have to be

2070
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:59,200
Speaker 1: just right. But what's too far? I think it depends

2071
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 1: on the conditions. Now, in the perfect conditions, you're feeling good.

2072
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:08,480
Speaker 1: I think in the perfect conditions, no wind, you know,

2073
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 1: I feel I feel confident out to six hundred yeah, um,

2074
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 1: you know I've shot help at that range before the

2075
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 1: sheep I got down there before it was at four d.

2076
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 1: All confident with that, so yeah, I mean, if everything's right,

2077
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:26,480
Speaker 1: but I think that that's where it plays in. You know,

2078
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 1: you have to make that call. What are the gear

2079
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 1: categories we got for like bagpack, hunts man, Uh, we

2080
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 1: haven't touched on track and poles? You carry track and pole?

2081
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: I do? I I carry it that um Petzel used

2082
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 1: to make us. They call it a snow scopic, so

2083
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:50,040
Speaker 1: it's yeah, yeah, I carry that and then typically one

2084
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 1: trucking pole, so you carry that snowstopic like this even

2085
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: now yeah down here, yeah, well in sheep hunts I do.

2086
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:02,840
Speaker 1: It's it's just so handy to have around, you know,

2087
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 1: just because you know clearing out rocks are trying to

2088
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 1: get a campsite ready or um you know, if I mean,

2089
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 1: if you just find if you can find a wet

2090
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:15,440
Speaker 1: spot in the hill where you where you have some

2091
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 1: moisture coming out, you can dig in there and get

2092
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 1: a puddle and just you know, come back a couple

2093
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:22,000
Speaker 1: of hours later, and you know a lot of times

2094
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,200
Speaker 1: you'll have you'll have water that you can get to.

2095
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 1: So I just just having that little bit of an

2096
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 1: ice axe, is it's I found it a real useful tool. Mhmm.

2097
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 1: You just told in your hand. Yeah, you just use

2098
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:40,680
Speaker 1: it just like a just like a trucking. Yeah. Yeah,

2099
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:42,640
Speaker 1: it's funny you mention that because I remember like hunting

2100
01:56:42,680 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: sheep digging through rock piles trying to find water. You

2101
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:47,720
Speaker 1: can hear it, Yeah, the cat drives you crazy, man.

2102
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:49,520
Speaker 1: You can hear it down there somewhere, you know, but

2103
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:53,080
Speaker 1: you just can't do it out you can't get to. Yeah.

2104
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:55,360
Speaker 1: It's kind of maddening, man, because you're like, dude, we

2105
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 1: could save a lot of walk and if we can

2106
01:56:56,880 --> 01:57:01,360
Speaker 1: find where this water is deep underground. Yeah, Curts telling

2107
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:04,680
Speaker 1: me when we shut down for a second earlier, Um

2108
01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 1: about a good little trick with track and poles. Is

2109
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 1: taking this double sided velcro. It's got like the hook

2110
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 1: and loop on one side and then the no, I'm sorry,

2111
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 1: that is the hook right is the hard part and

2112
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:19,920
Speaker 1: the loop is the soft part. But anyways, just wrapping it,

2113
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, like two thirds of the way up, wrapping

2114
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:25,280
Speaker 1: your two poles together and then just exit them and

2115
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 1: unbelievable shooting rests for shooting rest yeah, yeah, you bring

2116
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 1: your tripod. I do. Yeah, but my tripod you know,

2117
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:37,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of back to the same thing that we

2118
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 1: were talking about with layers and um. You know, my

2119
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: tripods set up with pick tenny rail so I can

2120
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,600
Speaker 1: put my I can shoot off of it. It'll touch

2121
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 1: to have a pic tiny rail on my on my rifle.

2122
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 1: I have one on my spotting scope. I have a

2123
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 1: little adapter for my camera, so you know, everything will

2124
01:57:56,480 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 1: slide right into the one piece. So and it's the

2125
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 1: it'll adjust from nine inches up to fifty four inches,

2126
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 1: so you know, it gives you a wide range. What's

2127
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:14,440
Speaker 1: the tripod way, it's right at two pounds. Yeah, my

2128
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 1: tripods happy. But I little bit man. Yeah, I think

2129
01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:19,240
Speaker 1: that that's and that's a tough thing because you know,

2130
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:22,560
Speaker 1: my the spotting scope weighs over four pounds I think

2131
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: four pounds four ounces or something, So it's a heavy

2132
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 1: spotting scope for a small tripod, so you can't get

2133
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:30,480
Speaker 1: it too high in the air. But you know, typically

2134
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:35,920
Speaker 1: in those conditions you're glassing, you're you're on an angled piece,

2135
01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:37,880
Speaker 1: so you know, on an angled hill, so you can

2136
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:40,840
Speaker 1: set the tripod right between your legs and it's an

2137
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 1: angled eye piece, so it just sits right here in

2138
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 1: your chest, so you know, it's not you don't have

2139
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 1: to get it up real high. So it's a different

2140
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 1: program than I think. If so, if you're out, you know,

2141
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:52,600
Speaker 1: trying to find meal here and had to get up

2142
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:56,360
Speaker 1: above the stage rush and had to have a tall spotting, let'scope, right,

2143
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 1: you don't get any shake, you feel without lightweight tripod,

2144
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 1: not not if I keep it low. If I keep

2145
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:08,120
Speaker 1: it low, and and you know normally you're kind of

2146
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 1: just right there on top of it, so you're blocking

2147
01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 1: the wind. But yeah, you know that's it's not as

2148
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 1: stable as you know, carrying a four or five pound tripod,

2149
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 1: that's for certain. Yeah, I think my head and legs

2150
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:22,840
Speaker 1: come in right just shy at four pounds? Are they

2151
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:26,280
Speaker 1: really that heavy? Yeah? How how the hell heavy is mine?

2152
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,160
Speaker 1: I wonder? Is this is roughly the same? Might be

2153
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:30,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more, man, I like that thing. Yeah,

2154
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:33,680
Speaker 1: I love it. It's quality life issue. Man, Let's see,

2155
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it like being able to do some

2156
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 1: power glass and you know, or just like everything's right.

2157
01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah. If your glass is not steady, it's

2158
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:47,240
Speaker 1: hard to hard to stay in the game the game.

2159
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 1: Do you bring a Do you bring um a tart

2160
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:56,840
Speaker 1: beside your tent? No? I don't. Sometimes we do, but

2161
01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: for this I wouldn't. Yeah know, because for this, I

2162
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:02,920
Speaker 1: feel like the tent is always going to be with

2163
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 1: me or pretty darn close. Usually the tarp combs with me.

2164
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:09,000
Speaker 1: If we're making like a base camp, I know we're

2165
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:12,320
Speaker 1: gonna be out for the day. Yeah. Does the guy

2166
02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 1: that you checked, the pilot we're flying in with he

2167
02:00:16,120 --> 02:00:18,800
Speaker 1: doesn't let you have canisters? Or does he does? He does?

2168
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:23,360
Speaker 1: How could that be like a thing that they probably

2169
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:25,480
Speaker 1: should't talk about because maybe he's not fools too. I

2170
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 1: don't know the f A rules. I don't know either.

2171
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:34,240
Speaker 1: You bring pepper spray? No? And you're in grizz country wow?

2172
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:36,800
Speaker 1: And no pistol either. Oh you have your rife? Have

2173
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:42,960
Speaker 1: my rifle? Yeah? No spray? No spray? Times are changing, man, Yeah? Yeah,

2174
02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:45,000
Speaker 1: don't you feel like they're getting thicker by the day

2175
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:49,240
Speaker 1: around here. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh. I think we proved

2176
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:51,840
Speaker 1: that every fall with all the encounters that happened just

2177
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:58,120
Speaker 1: ending around Gallaton County doing that. The Madison's h multiple

2178
02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:00,880
Speaker 1: encounters every year. When that big sumby comes from you,

2179
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,680
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, your rivals gonna leaning against a tree

2180
02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:12,800
Speaker 1: man way leaving against. I never leaved behind. I got

2181
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:15,120
Speaker 1: caught in Alaska one time, going down to the river

2182
02:01:15,200 --> 02:01:18,880
Speaker 1: to wash fought out. Yeah, I got called by bear. Yeah,

2183
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:20,720
Speaker 1: turned around and there was a bear on the other

2184
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 1: side of my tent, probably forty yards away. Yeah. My

2185
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:27,880
Speaker 1: rifle was laying up there. Yeah. Luckily he just kept

2186
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:31,640
Speaker 1: on no, he while he dropped down and started eight.

2187
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't charging. I don't know what he

2188
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:36,720
Speaker 1: was doing, but he was running at me, and he

2189
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:39,720
Speaker 1: was looking at me. And then he stopped at about

2190
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:42,160
Speaker 1: twenty yards and as soon as he ran towards me.

2191
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:43,680
Speaker 1: I know, they say you're not supposed to run, but

2192
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:46,200
Speaker 1: I you know, I ran towards my rifle. You know,

2193
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:47,920
Speaker 1: they're like, there was only a couple of things. I

2194
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:49,800
Speaker 1: was running towards him. He was running towards me, and

2195
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:53,960
Speaker 1: he stopped about twenty yards and stood up, and right

2196
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 1: about time I got to my rifle and he was

2197
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:58,000
Speaker 1: just trying to catch when. I just don't think he

2198
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:01,320
Speaker 1: knew what was going on, but there was no doubt

2199
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:06,080
Speaker 1: that had he chose that he wanted me, he would

2200
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:09,000
Speaker 1: have had me. And uh, yeah, I just kind of

2201
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 1: felt lucky figured to keep it a little closer. That's

2202
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:15,040
Speaker 1: the point of the story. My brothers were hunting doll

2203
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:19,960
Speaker 1: sheet and uh, They're sitting there by their tent and

2204
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:21,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, up over the hill comes tearing

2205
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:24,760
Speaker 1: at him. A wolf comes tearing at him, like, you know,

2206
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:27,760
Speaker 1: first like what in the world, but then like over

2207
02:02:27,800 --> 02:02:30,480
Speaker 1: the hill because he's running because it's a grizz hot

2208
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:34,000
Speaker 1: on his trail. Man. And then they both saw him

2209
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:37,840
Speaker 1: and spun off in different directions. But yeah, that stuff

2210
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:41,720
Speaker 1: can catch you by surprise, man. Yeah, for sure. So

2211
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:44,760
Speaker 1: no pistol, no spray. I don't you know, for many, many,

2212
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:47,880
Speaker 1: many years I did the same thing. But now after

2213
02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:50,400
Speaker 1: having like after you know, now I just don't think

2214
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 1: that I don't think that the rifles really I think

2215
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:56,280
Speaker 1: there's certain times when the rifles reliable. But when you

2216
02:02:56,280 --> 02:02:57,680
Speaker 1: sit there and you got a load of meat and

2217
02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:59,680
Speaker 1: you got your rifle tied to the back of your

2218
02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:01,600
Speaker 1: back backpack. But you might as well not even have

2219
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:04,360
Speaker 1: that something, bitch man. Yeah, it doesn't happen like that.

2220
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:10,920
Speaker 1: It's it's generally in my hand most times. You use

2221
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:17,920
Speaker 1: a sling though, Yeah, yeah, they use a sling sometimes. Yeah. Yeah,

2222
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:20,120
Speaker 1: but if it's a tight area, you should have it

2223
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:22,840
Speaker 1: in my hands, you know, if I can't see, if

2224
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:27,840
Speaker 1: I can't it's dark because of getting mal scratched. I

2225
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,160
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like a security blanket. Yeah. No, I

2226
02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:32,040
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. Just happy you're walking around with

2227
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:36,000
Speaker 1: it in your hand. Anything we haven't touched on bad

2228
02:03:36,040 --> 02:03:40,560
Speaker 1: country long hunt gear. Uh, you know. The only other

2229
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:43,360
Speaker 1: thing that I was thinking about is just how when

2230
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:47,760
Speaker 1: you're hunting with a partner, how your your gear. Your

2231
02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:51,360
Speaker 1: gear choice can change because me and my bro we'll

2232
02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:53,840
Speaker 1: each have to only carry half. One guy carries the

2233
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:57,880
Speaker 1: steaks and poles and the other guy carries the tent body. Yeah,

2234
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:01,360
Speaker 1: which is nice. One spot and scope, one spotting scope exactly,

2235
02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:05,280
Speaker 1: one dry pod, one stove. Yeah. I don't know if

2236
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm brave enough to do one rifle. We've done it.

2237
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:15,560
Speaker 1: We've done it. It's like, give me that rifle my turn. Yeah, no,

2238
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:20,840
Speaker 1: we've done that. One guy has one rifle. You don't

2239
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:24,440
Speaker 1: think anything about it. Yeah, well no, I know who.

2240
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:26,920
Speaker 1: Uh my dad had a cheap tag last year and

2241
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:29,800
Speaker 1: we had talked about it and he said, I'll just

2242
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:31,760
Speaker 1: I'll just bring my rifle. You don't have to carry yours.

2243
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:33,880
Speaker 1: And I said, I'll just bring it just in case.

2244
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:36,480
Speaker 1: Where we got in the hell of a snowstorm and

2245
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:39,240
Speaker 1: we thought we knew were these sheep where And when

2246
02:04:39,240 --> 02:04:41,920
Speaker 1: we finally came up, they had moved up closer to us,

2247
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:45,480
Speaker 1: and it happened really quick, and he took his he

2248
02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:50,280
Speaker 1: took his his rifle off, his slang and his scope

2249
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:53,600
Speaker 1: caps were gone and it was just plugged filled with

2250
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:58,440
Speaker 1: snow and everything was and unfortunately I had my rifle,

2251
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:00,720
Speaker 1: everything was set handed it to him. Yeah he had

2252
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:04,720
Speaker 1: the shot, but we had just his rifle. I don't

2253
02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:07,240
Speaker 1: know that it would have happened. Did you like scope caps?

2254
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 1: You know? I have I have a scope coat on

2255
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:19,840
Speaker 1: the mind now new yprene a neoprene because uh, you know,

2256
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 1: all my scopes have the turrets on them, and so

2257
02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's just It's just another nice protection you

2258
02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:30,520
Speaker 1: don't accidentally get, you know, anything turned or just kind

2259
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:34,000
Speaker 1: of tighter program. I've messed around with every I feel

2260
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:36,320
Speaker 1: like I'm messed around with every scope cap on the plant. Man.

2261
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:40,840
Speaker 1: I just think a neoprene a neoprene cover. You like

2262
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:45,080
Speaker 1: the caps, don't you. I've donald you've used them in

2263
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:49,840
Speaker 1: the past. Um, but yeah, I'm a neoprene scope cover guy.

2264
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:51,760
Speaker 1: Now I've spent a lot of years like when they

2265
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:54,000
Speaker 1: first started coming out, you know, and like Butler Creek

2266
02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:56,040
Speaker 1: had those ones and the springs that break and the

2267
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:58,240
Speaker 1: pins that fall out, and you'll be trying to find

2268
02:05:58,240 --> 02:06:02,240
Speaker 1: the parts yeah uh in the snow or whatever. And

2269
02:06:02,280 --> 02:06:05,360
Speaker 1: now just like it's just like it's like an infallibility

2270
02:06:05,400 --> 02:06:08,800
Speaker 1: to a neoprene cover. Yeah, yeah, there definitely as you know,

2271
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:12,680
Speaker 1: another nice scope cover that I've used though, is uh

2272
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:16,320
Speaker 1: night Force sends out. They're kind of almost a rubber

2273
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:20,880
Speaker 1: one that that goes on and that that's the only

2274
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:23,640
Speaker 1: single piece one that I've used, And I actually really

2275
02:06:23,680 --> 02:06:25,800
Speaker 1: like that one. Yeah, but I don't I don't know

2276
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:27,600
Speaker 1: who makes it other than them. I just use the

2277
02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, just like a just a general like vortexes

2278
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:33,640
Speaker 1: has a general neoprene one you yep, pull over and

2279
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:35,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Man. You know, for a while, I

2280
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:38,280
Speaker 1: got so burned out on sculpe covers. We went we'd

2281
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,440
Speaker 1: go down to the hardware store and get like PVC

2282
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:43,960
Speaker 1: and and caught it. So you had the kind of

2283
02:06:44,040 --> 02:06:46,960
Speaker 1: had the reducer and so you could a POxy in

2284
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:52,560
Speaker 1: a piece of plexiglass in there and then use bungee cord.

2285
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:55,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then you had like a one pound

2286
02:06:55,360 --> 02:07:00,360
Speaker 1: sculpe cover that was indestructible, man, indestructible. And um brother

2287
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:02,280
Speaker 1: made up a batch of those. We use those from Wow.

2288
02:07:02,280 --> 02:07:03,840
Speaker 1: And now I just use like the near prent cover

2289
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,600
Speaker 1: and you just gotta be careful not to leave it land.

2290
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:07,440
Speaker 1: It's actually the kind of thing you can bring too

2291
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:12,200
Speaker 1: of because like literally ways, I would say, like literally nothing,

2292
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah they are you could grab you could you could

2293
02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:19,000
Speaker 1: justify sticking the extra one in your kid, yep, your

2294
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:21,880
Speaker 1: little gear kid, Dude. I'm excited how to go home

2295
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:23,360
Speaker 1: and go through all my junk. Man, I kind of

2296
02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:27,800
Speaker 1: got a whole day set aside to pack. Something will

2297
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:29,480
Speaker 1: come up, and I think something will come up when

2298
02:07:29,480 --> 02:07:31,120
Speaker 1: I will get messed up. But right I think it's

2299
02:07:31,120 --> 02:07:34,040
Speaker 1: one of the funnest, funnest portions of you know, kidding

2300
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:38,000
Speaker 1: ready anticipation, your gear and the planning. If it's not

2301
02:07:38,280 --> 02:07:40,440
Speaker 1: part of this process, as long as it's not rushed,

2302
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:42,280
Speaker 1: but long as like you got young kids, you can't

2303
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:47,520
Speaker 1: focus on anything. No, no, it's pretty accurate. Five and seven. Yeah,

2304
02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:49,600
Speaker 1: I got one of each of those. Well five and

2305
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:53,920
Speaker 1: eight you can't focus. Oh no, it's after bedtime. That's

2306
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:58,760
Speaker 1: when that happens. Gear the gear messing. Yeah, the gear messing.

2307
02:07:59,120 --> 02:08:00,720
Speaker 1: But when you can do it right, you're not just

2308
02:08:00,760 --> 02:08:03,640
Speaker 1: cramming stuff in a bag. It's pretty fun, man, it is.

2309
02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:06,480
Speaker 1: Get your gear dial you're thinking about it now, Yanni

2310
02:08:06,520 --> 02:08:08,800
Speaker 1: can't really get packed properly because your house is torn

2311
02:08:08,840 --> 02:08:12,480
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, well, luckily my little basement corner

2312
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:16,640
Speaker 1: where my little zone is, um my little man cave

2313
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:21,240
Speaker 1: zone down there. It's it's it's kept up, it's it's neatness.

2314
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:22,840
Speaker 1: So I don't think you should call it a man

2315
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:26,360
Speaker 1: cave because it's functional. Oh, man caves aren't functional. No,

2316
02:08:26,520 --> 02:08:28,720
Speaker 1: it's like place where people go to watch TV. Yeah,

2317
02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:31,360
Speaker 1: I hear you, you're right, But I think originally a

2318
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:33,800
Speaker 1: man cave was usually in the garage, like that's the

2319
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:36,040
Speaker 1: original man. Then it became a thing like then man

2320
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:39,360
Speaker 1: caves got messed up, or man caves also became things.

2321
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:42,480
Speaker 1: They became places where like you go down to be lazy.

2322
02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 1: It should be a place where you go to like

2323
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:48,000
Speaker 1: get your stuff dialed. Yeah, right, but it became a

2324
02:08:48,040 --> 02:08:51,080
Speaker 1: thing where you like got big couches and TVs and

2325
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:52,880
Speaker 1: it's like this a place you got to be lazy

2326
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 1: while your wife's being lazy upstairs. Yeah, like in your

2327
02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:58,040
Speaker 1: basement or your kids allowed in that room that weird

2328
02:08:58,200 --> 02:09:05,000
Speaker 1: podcasting in U No, Yeah, like that little zone of mine.

2329
02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it is safety, right, Like

2330
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:09,880
Speaker 1: they're shipping there that they can get hurt with, you know,

2331
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:16,080
Speaker 1: sharp things as well as you know other things. But yeah,

2332
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:19,160
Speaker 1: like they're just not allowed to be in that zone.

2333
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:22,280
Speaker 1: So that's why it's like the man cave, right, I

2334
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:27,000
Speaker 1: think you'd call it the man zone. Yeah. But look

2335
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:28,880
Speaker 1: if my gal, you know, I mean there's a bunch

2336
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:30,960
Speaker 1: of tools and stuff in there too, So my gal

2337
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:34,160
Speaker 1: needs anything out of there, She's more than welcome as

2338
02:09:34,200 --> 02:09:36,520
Speaker 1: long as he gets put back in the right spot. Yeah,

2339
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:38,080
Speaker 1: Because I do a lot of fixing down there too,

2340
02:09:38,120 --> 02:09:40,120
Speaker 1: and one of the kids things breaks. I go to

2341
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:43,560
Speaker 1: the same zone that I pack in to repair, to

2342
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:47,440
Speaker 1: glue their ship back together, you know, to fix stuff.

2343
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:51,240
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like mostly my garage set up,

2344
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:53,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm not set up for like ranching on old

2345
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:55,360
Speaker 1: tractors and ship you know what I mean. I'm set

2346
02:09:55,400 --> 02:09:58,600
Speaker 1: up for like working on the outdoor gear. Yeah, I'm

2347
02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:01,480
Speaker 1: like my primary thing, like I'm rigged for gear. Yeah.

2348
02:10:01,640 --> 02:10:04,240
Speaker 1: I can mount a rifle scupe yeah. So yeah, stuff

2349
02:10:04,240 --> 02:10:05,760
Speaker 1: like that. That's saying, you know, I don't have like

2350
02:10:05,800 --> 02:10:08,280
Speaker 1: a three quarter inch drive ratchets down there and stuff

2351
02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:12,440
Speaker 1: like that for you know, like rebuilding some alice chalmers

2352
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:14,600
Speaker 1: or something. You know, it's just not what I'm it's

2353
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:18,280
Speaker 1: not where I'm at when it comes to tool and

2354
02:10:18,280 --> 02:10:19,480
Speaker 1: and you're the only guy you know that has a

2355
02:10:19,480 --> 02:10:23,440
Speaker 1: big sewing machine in his gear room. Yeah. Yeah, that's

2356
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:26,600
Speaker 1: a rarity, it is, that's next level. It is. It's fun.

2357
02:10:30,120 --> 02:10:32,080
Speaker 1: I knew one other guy to add that. I don't

2358
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:35,840
Speaker 1: know if it was in his man zone, but old man,

2359
02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:38,320
Speaker 1: I hope you're listening. I hope you're still alive. But

2360
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:40,320
Speaker 1: there's a chance that he might not be alive, but

2361
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:43,840
Speaker 1: he might be dead. Donnie the wild Man, uh oh,

2362
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:45,360
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of stories about this guy. His

2363
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:48,320
Speaker 1: last name though, it's Yeah, because he sewed into his

2364
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:50,720
Speaker 1: vast pistol holder. Well you know, it was like a

2365
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:53,840
Speaker 1: leather jacket, you know, not like a biker, kind of

2366
02:10:53,880 --> 02:10:56,720
Speaker 1: like a biker. Yeah, I guess you could have if

2367
02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:58,200
Speaker 1: you have just seen him Donnie on the street, you

2368
02:10:58,240 --> 02:11:00,200
Speaker 1: could have thought that he was getting rid of jump

2369
02:11:00,280 --> 02:11:03,040
Speaker 1: on a Harley. But yeah, he had all kinds that

2370
02:11:03,160 --> 02:11:06,080
Speaker 1: he had, like a special pocket for like cigarettes, probably

2371
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:11,560
Speaker 1: had another pocket for the second pack of cigarettes, for

2372
02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:15,040
Speaker 1: a coke can in there, and yeah, for his giant

2373
02:11:15,120 --> 02:11:17,880
Speaker 1: forty four mag He's one of those like I think

2374
02:11:17,880 --> 02:11:20,440
Speaker 1: it was the Rocky Mountain Special, remember that one. It's

2375
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:24,000
Speaker 1: like the even the cylinder had no grooves cut out

2376
02:11:24,040 --> 02:11:30,240
Speaker 1: of it, so it's like added weight heavy and yeah,

2377
02:11:30,280 --> 02:11:33,680
Speaker 1: you think the pockets sewn in for that thing. Um.

2378
02:11:33,720 --> 02:11:35,840
Speaker 1: But he was like that. He was he was a

2379
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:38,360
Speaker 1: guy that got like tinkered with stuff. Yeah, you probably

2380
02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:40,560
Speaker 1: would have got along with him. He just like they

2381
02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:42,520
Speaker 1: called him the wild man, right, but I remember him.

2382
02:11:42,840 --> 02:11:45,960
Speaker 1: He was saying at nighttime he would do nothing to

2383
02:11:45,960 --> 02:11:50,120
Speaker 1: prepare for bed. Yeah, he would just lay down a

2384
02:11:50,120 --> 02:11:53,400
Speaker 1: lot of times too. He didn't sleep and wake up

2385
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:56,800
Speaker 1: and again prepared for bed. He put his cigarette out

2386
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:00,920
Speaker 1: and lay down and then he way back up and

2387
02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:06,879
Speaker 1: his lighted. Yeah, light, crack of coke go and everything.

2388
02:12:07,080 --> 02:12:09,280
Speaker 1: He would be like, can't use that bunk. Now there's

2389
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:11,880
Speaker 1: dying bull. There's no ship there, there's no sleep bag. Yet,

2390
02:12:12,080 --> 02:12:14,200
Speaker 1: dying doesn't need any of that stuff. I remember him

2391
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:16,520
Speaker 1: buying like a brand new Arctic Cat. You know, I

2392
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:19,400
Speaker 1: don't know how those things are five dollars, right, I

2393
02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:23,000
Speaker 1: don't know how much brand new nice thing. By the

2394
02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:25,480
Speaker 1: time I got to see it in his garage, the

2395
02:12:25,560 --> 02:12:28,720
Speaker 1: seats ripped off. It's been chopped in half. The um

2396
02:12:28,840 --> 02:12:30,320
Speaker 1: he's got like the whole like I don't know what

2397
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:32,320
Speaker 1: you call it, but like the thing that metal piece

2398
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:34,960
Speaker 1: that goes around the seat where you like put your

2399
02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:37,280
Speaker 1: feet on and it kind of extends behind the seat,

2400
02:12:37,480 --> 02:12:40,400
Speaker 1: and he's just drilling holes through it because he was

2401
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:42,560
Speaker 1: lightning the whole thing. So it had a seat that

2402
02:12:42,760 --> 02:12:45,720
Speaker 1: like you could just fit like maybe two people on.

2403
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:47,480
Speaker 1: Well he cut it down to a seat to fit

2404
02:12:47,560 --> 02:12:50,200
Speaker 1: a half a person. The whole thing was full of holes,

2405
02:12:50,240 --> 02:12:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, and so and he sowed a new leather

2406
02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:55,120
Speaker 1: seat to fit this. You know. So he had skills,

2407
02:12:56,040 --> 02:12:57,480
Speaker 1: but he was the wild man. And did it look

2408
02:12:57,520 --> 02:12:59,280
Speaker 1: good or did it look like someone was happening on

2409
02:13:00,200 --> 02:13:03,080
Speaker 1: look good? Yeah, my old man hung out with guys.

2410
02:13:03,800 --> 02:13:06,360
Speaker 1: They were like they were gear tinkers. But it wasn't

2411
02:13:06,360 --> 02:13:08,160
Speaker 1: like they were trying to make ship light for wanding

2412
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:10,280
Speaker 1: around in the mountains for a week at a time.

2413
02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:14,920
Speaker 1: They were they were tinkers like um, making your own

2414
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:20,200
Speaker 1: ice fish and shanties, making your own charcoal grills, you know,

2415
02:13:20,280 --> 02:13:24,240
Speaker 1: but any kind of like building stuff, right, like building

2416
02:13:24,280 --> 02:13:26,560
Speaker 1: outdoor equipment of big ship. So these guys were at

2417
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:28,720
Speaker 1: the thing where they had like welders and stuff, you know,

2418
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:32,360
Speaker 1: or smelters or you know, I mean like weird kind

2419
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:34,560
Speaker 1: of stuff. But there's this thing that makes people want

2420
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:39,000
Speaker 1: to go and mess with something. I never look at uh,

2421
02:13:39,120 --> 02:13:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, I never look at me like, man, I'm

2422
02:13:40,280 --> 02:13:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna go to devise some new way to like key

2423
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:47,360
Speaker 1: to ice shanty, right. But I think there's people have

2424
02:13:47,400 --> 02:13:49,440
Speaker 1: a proclivity, right, they have a tendency to want to

2425
02:13:49,480 --> 02:13:54,120
Speaker 1: go jury rig stuff. Do you know that jury rigg

2426
02:13:54,160 --> 02:13:59,360
Speaker 1: and Jerry rigor interchangeable m you knew that kitty corner

2427
02:13:59,400 --> 02:14:05,280
Speaker 1: caddy corner. No one knows what one's right. Yeah, what

2428
02:14:05,320 --> 02:14:07,080
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Kurt? Is that an east

2429
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:09,320
Speaker 1: coast west coast thing? I don't think so. I don't

2430
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:13,160
Speaker 1: know tomato tomato things. Yeah, in the other final wells,

2431
02:14:13,240 --> 02:14:15,440
Speaker 1: yeah no, because it's different the pronunciations, right down to

2432
02:14:15,480 --> 02:14:22,280
Speaker 1: the spelling catty corner and kitty corner. Um. Nothing hunt

2433
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:25,200
Speaker 1: with a partner. You were saying, Oh, yeah, no, I

2434
02:14:25,240 --> 02:14:28,160
Speaker 1: think I think you hit on that, just that change

2435
02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:31,560
Speaker 1: of stuff. But you're a solo man. Yeah. How many

2436
02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:37,520
Speaker 1: sheet punks you done by yourself? I don't know actually, um,

2437
02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:45,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, probably you know for since it's two thousand. Yeah,

2438
02:14:45,880 --> 02:14:48,560
Speaker 1: just a bad mofo out winding around the mountains by

2439
02:14:48,600 --> 02:14:56,560
Speaker 1: yourself at dinnertime. No, no hogging his rifle all night.

2440
02:14:57,080 --> 02:14:59,320
Speaker 1: It's just that of necessity, you know, when you're when

2441
02:14:59,320 --> 02:15:03,160
Speaker 1: you're in cold grab, when you when you're taking those

2442
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:06,000
Speaker 1: chunks of time. A lot of times it's it's it's

2443
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:10,080
Speaker 1: tough to line up, you know, schedules and people who

2444
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:13,560
Speaker 1: want to go into the same areas. And some dude

2445
02:15:13,600 --> 02:15:16,640
Speaker 1: came to you. Some dude came to you and said, hey, man,

2446
02:15:16,680 --> 02:15:19,400
Speaker 1: I want to throw in with you on your sheep

2447
02:15:19,480 --> 02:15:23,640
Speaker 1: hunt this September. You'd probably say no, because why have

2448
02:15:23,800 --> 02:15:26,080
Speaker 1: the That's what my brother's thing is. I don't know.

2449
02:15:26,120 --> 02:15:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pitch him right now. Will be like, look,

2450
02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:31,360
Speaker 1: can't do that. I'll carry enough fuel so we can

2451
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:34,600
Speaker 1: eat hot shit every night. We'll split the weight of

2452
02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:38,880
Speaker 1: our shelter and our spot and scope, and I'll even

2453
02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:41,440
Speaker 1: carry an extra pair of socks and on these for you.

2454
02:15:41,880 --> 02:15:47,120
Speaker 1: Do I get to shoot first? Yeah, in the unit

2455
02:15:47,160 --> 02:15:51,560
Speaker 1: where one sheep closes. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah,

2456
02:15:51,560 --> 02:15:54,200
Speaker 1: my brother who could out lonely you, he might not

2457
02:15:54,280 --> 02:15:58,200
Speaker 1: out lonely if he could compy on loneliness lonely tolerance. Um,

2458
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:01,880
Speaker 1: he just likes, just likes not having to like consult.

2459
02:16:03,080 --> 02:16:05,400
Speaker 1: What do you think? I don't know, what do you think? Yeah?

2460
02:16:05,480 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 1: I think we should go over there. I mean, he's

2461
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:09,920
Speaker 1: happy to hunt with people, but he sees the upside.

2462
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:12,960
Speaker 1: It's not like he you know, he just sees the

2463
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:16,240
Speaker 1: upside and being by himself in that, just not having

2464
02:16:16,240 --> 02:16:18,200
Speaker 1: to well, and he's mentioned that right there. He's like,

2465
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:20,600
Speaker 1: I never had to worry about who's shooting first. I'm

2466
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:25,200
Speaker 1: always up exactly. So. But anyways, if some dude came

2467
02:16:25,240 --> 02:16:26,800
Speaker 1: to you instead, and it's a friend yours, not some

2468
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:29,760
Speaker 1: straight wildcat, right, some some dude came to you and said, hey,

2469
02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:31,240
Speaker 1: I want to throw in I was thinking about going

2470
02:16:31,240 --> 02:16:33,920
Speaker 1: to the same place anyway, would you be like, maybe

2471
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:36,320
Speaker 1: I'll bump into you, or would you then say, you

2472
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:39,520
Speaker 1: know what, let's let's coordinate. No, if it was a

2473
02:16:39,520 --> 02:16:43,560
Speaker 1: good friend, I'd yeah, I'd welcome it. So you're not

2474
02:16:43,640 --> 02:16:45,960
Speaker 1: You're not like pushing You're not pushing your best friends

2475
02:16:45,959 --> 02:16:49,240
Speaker 1: on Oh no, no, no, not any not any respect.

2476
02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I have lots of good friends that

2477
02:16:51,560 --> 02:16:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, we go on hunts, you know, throughout the year,

2478
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:57,000
Speaker 1: whether it be elk or or any of that. I

2479
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:59,640
Speaker 1: just think that you kind of have to find somebody

2480
02:16:59,800 --> 02:17:02,840
Speaker 1: spe Siana hunt like this that's willing to take what

2481
02:17:02,920 --> 02:17:05,120
Speaker 1: time you have for the year, because you know, for

2482
02:17:05,160 --> 02:17:08,640
Speaker 1: all of us, between you know, work and family and

2483
02:17:08,680 --> 02:17:11,560
Speaker 1: all that, being able to take fourteen days and go

2484
02:17:12,200 --> 02:17:13,920
Speaker 1: possibly on a hunt where you're not going to fill

2485
02:17:13,959 --> 02:17:16,800
Speaker 1: the freezer, a lot of people don't want to do that.

2486
02:17:16,920 --> 02:17:19,039
Speaker 1: It's not a freezer filler. No, especially when we have

2487
02:17:19,080 --> 02:17:22,040
Speaker 1: so much great elk hunting, you know, all around here

2488
02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:26,880
Speaker 1: is your wife Maddie about fourteen days. No, not even

2489
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:29,280
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit. No, but it hasn't when

2490
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:32,000
Speaker 1: you come back. When you come back, is it gonna

2491
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,439
Speaker 1: be the kind of thing where it's like, oh my god,

2492
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:37,680
Speaker 1: he's home. It's so great. Or will it be that

2493
02:17:37,720 --> 02:17:39,680
Speaker 1: you come in and it's kind of like, oh, hey,

2494
02:17:39,720 --> 02:17:43,640
Speaker 1: can you take care of this? It depends if I

2495
02:17:43,640 --> 02:17:47,840
Speaker 1: come back with the sheet actors that in. No, No,

2496
02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:50,120
Speaker 1: but that there's I think that there is a part

2497
02:17:50,120 --> 02:17:52,160
Speaker 1: of that where you know, when you spend that much time,

2498
02:17:52,200 --> 02:17:56,000
Speaker 1: you want to be successful. But it's also a nice

2499
02:17:56,040 --> 02:17:58,800
Speaker 1: knowing going into it that that really isn't the expectation,

2500
02:17:58,959 --> 02:18:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really more about the adventure and

2501
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:05,600
Speaker 1: taking that time and you figure out another way to

2502
02:18:05,640 --> 02:18:09,160
Speaker 1: fill the fraser. Yeah, because doll sheep too, man. I

2503
02:18:09,160 --> 02:18:13,160
Speaker 1: mean they're not that big. No, they're not freezer fillers. No, No,

2504
02:18:13,360 --> 02:18:16,360
Speaker 1: not by any stretch. But it's pretty high quality, it is.

2505
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:19,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of guys, Yeah, a lot

2506
02:18:19,560 --> 02:18:21,800
Speaker 1: of guys in the Laska regarded as the finest, right

2507
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:25,280
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, but it's it's just a lot more.

2508
02:18:25,320 --> 02:18:27,320
Speaker 1: It's a bottle lot more than that. Man, It's not

2509
02:18:27,400 --> 02:18:29,800
Speaker 1: like out filling doe TEGs. It's just a whole different deal,

2510
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:33,440
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, it's a whole different deal. It's just

2511
02:18:33,480 --> 02:18:36,160
Speaker 1: doing something that you have to be paying total attention to,

2512
02:18:36,280 --> 02:18:39,440
Speaker 1: man and being like a little bit vulnerable all the time. Yeah,

2513
02:18:39,520 --> 02:18:43,440
Speaker 1: and being like there is no real there's really no

2514
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:47,520
Speaker 1: getting lucky m hm no. And it takes you out

2515
02:18:47,560 --> 02:18:50,520
Speaker 1: of your comfort zone. And so you know, that's the

2516
02:18:50,560 --> 02:18:53,279
Speaker 1: one thing that I found about those types of adventures

2517
02:18:53,360 --> 02:18:57,640
Speaker 1: is every time you push yourself, that becomes a new norm. So, uh,

2518
02:18:58,120 --> 02:19:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're looking to ad ants, you're looking

2519
02:19:00,760 --> 02:19:03,840
Speaker 1: to stay longer or get farther in or go by

2520
02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:06,560
Speaker 1: yourself or whatever your next step is that you know

2521
02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:12,440
Speaker 1: you can There's never a finite finish line. Yeah, there's

2522
02:19:12,640 --> 02:19:14,840
Speaker 1: there's always something that you can add to it. There's

2523
02:19:14,879 --> 02:19:18,280
Speaker 1: always some other way that you can challenge yourself. I

2524
02:19:18,280 --> 02:19:23,480
Speaker 1: think it's kind of the cool part about it for sure. Yeah,

2525
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:31,119
Speaker 1: we have a new norm. Yeah, cold food, yeah, lonely nights.

2526
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:33,880
Speaker 1: You can you can learn how to deal with that.

2527
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:35,440
Speaker 1: You can learn how to deal with a lot. Man,

2528
02:19:35,720 --> 02:19:38,400
Speaker 1: It's not that bad. No, you make it sound fun.

2529
02:19:39,600 --> 02:19:42,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, any final gear thoughts, I don't have any.

2530
02:19:43,520 --> 02:19:47,480
Speaker 1: You're tapped. Yeah, I was tearing me up with my

2531
02:19:47,879 --> 02:19:53,080
Speaker 1: bringing my my Um no, I'm cool on that. But

2532
02:19:53,720 --> 02:19:56,280
Speaker 1: my track and pull with the ice axe head stuck

2533
02:19:56,360 --> 02:19:58,879
Speaker 1: to it. So I thought of as a mountain go

2534
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:03,040
Speaker 1: hunt and too man. Now, yeah, it's kind of got

2535
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:06,160
Speaker 1: me thinking excavation. I think there's a chance to that

2536
02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:08,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna cross some glaciers, so yeah, we might want

2537
02:20:08,680 --> 02:20:10,920
Speaker 1: to think about having more than just one with us. Yeah,

2538
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:16,320
Speaker 1: Danny probably carry his Oneman brother. All right, sir, Yanni's good.

2539
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:19,560
Speaker 1: No last thoughts, I'm good man. All right. I hope

2540
02:20:19,560 --> 02:20:21,240
Speaker 1: you come back and your wife's like, oh my god,

2541
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:27,640
Speaker 1: he's home me too, and not like you'll never guess

2542
02:20:27,640 --> 02:21:22,960
Speaker 1: what you'll never guess what the kids did. All right, Thanks,