Speaker 1: There's Kamala Harrison to turn and face Trump and talk
Speaker 1: to the contrary and talk about the fear directly and
Speaker 1: the stakes in a way that's more vivid, and she's
Speaker 1: done it so far.
Speaker 2: My biased view is that I would like to see
Speaker 2: her do that, but I always try to consider someone
Speaker 2: who doesn't work in this field. But is you know,
Speaker 2: working in Michigan and dealing with a student loan and
Speaker 2: making sure they pick up their kids, but also being
Speaker 2: on time to work. And is the economic message really
Speaker 2: the single and soul message here that is going to
Speaker 2: be the most motivating.
Speaker 1: Or will you know?
Speaker 2: Because where I hesitate Steve is that if you watch
Speaker 2: your average Harris rally right now and your average Trump rally,
Speaker 2: there is a positive vision coming from Harris and a
Speaker 2: dark apocalyptic vision coming from Trump. Now, you can say
Speaker 2: it's kind of standard. When Harris is, in a sense
Speaker 2: the incumbent, she wants to argue things are good and
Speaker 2: will continue being good. It's natural that she would have
Speaker 2: a positive vision, whereas on the other hand, Trump is
Speaker 2: trying to argue things are so bad you need to
Speaker 2: elect me. But I think it goes beyond that. I
Speaker 2: think that there's actually more to it. And I've said,
Speaker 2: when I watch these competing rallies, sometimes back to back,
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to me that the apocalyptic dark vision
Speaker 2: from Trump with the lurid stories, and he had a
Speaker 2: thirty second rant about Wisconsin over the weekend that sounds
Speaker 2: like he's describing I don't know what he's describing. I
Speaker 2: don't want to ascribe it to any particular country, but
Speaker 2: certainly not Milwaukee. Right when you listen to it, you go,
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound like Milwaukee to me, because I question
Speaker 2: whether Trump doing it helps him convert anybody. I just
Speaker 2: don't know if Harris is better off sticking with the
Speaker 2: economic message rather than the here's what you really should
Speaker 2: be afraid of message, other than when it comes to
Speaker 2: women's bodily autonomy and reproductive rights, which does seem to
Speaker 2: have been really effective at telling people what the stakes are.
Speaker 1: Do you have a sense with the women in your lives,
Speaker 1: with the women in your life and the women around you,
Speaker 1: about their motivation to go and vote and their reaction
Speaker 1: to Trump saying you know, the women are never going
Speaker 1: to be happier. Hey, this is beautiful, right, the states
Speaker 1: have it, don't worry about it. Right, there's going to
Speaker 1: be in all the TRUMPI and bomb bast around this,
Speaker 1: around this issue because you know, people, I honestly don't
Speaker 1: know what to say. I don't conceivably know what I
Speaker 1: could say to a woman in America to urged him to,
Speaker 1: you know, participate and vote and stand up. You know
Speaker 1: that that adds any weight beyond the weight of the
Speaker 1: evidence around what's happening in the in the country, which
Speaker 1: is which is shocking to behold, you know, at at
Speaker 1: many levels. But fired up? Are they worried? Are they scared?
Speaker 1: Or more women for Trump than you are? You are
Speaker 1: surprised about what's anecdotally.
Speaker 2: You know, anecdotally, I am maybe the wrong guy to ask,
Speaker 2: because I know mostly women in blue states who are
Speaker 2: on the left. And so there's two elements to that
Speaker 2: that are important. One is, they weren't voting for Trump anyway,
Speaker 2: even before all of this craziness with IVF and he's
Speaker 2: very big on fertilezation and all of this stuff that
Speaker 2: you know that makes no sense, So they weren't voting
Speaker 2: for him anyway. But also, most of the women I'm
Speaker 2: talking to have a confidence we can discuss whether it's
Speaker 2: appropriate or not that because they live in blue states.
Speaker 2: You know. I talk to my friends in New York
Speaker 2: and Connecticut and Massachusetts, and they go, this stuff is nuts,
Speaker 2: But I'm so confident that we're going to be fine
Speaker 2: in this state. I feel bad for the women in
Speaker 2: fill in the blanks, right, and so I think that
Speaker 2: the people I'm speaking to directly are kind of in
Speaker 2: that camp, which is privileged in the sense of the
Speaker 2: stakes feel lower on a lot of these issues. In
Speaker 2: the states that have an HDI equivalent to Norway right,
Speaker 2: like Connecticut and Massachusetts, it's a different situation than it
Speaker 2: is in Mississippi, for example. Now, one other thing I
Speaker 2: saw the good liars who do these interviews at Trump rallies.
Speaker 2: They're really good. They I interviewed a woman recently who
Speaker 2: said she it was you know what about such and
Speaker 2: such who said, they're not even sure women should have
Speaker 2: the right to vote at this point, I don't even
Speaker 2: remember who said it, but recently somebody in Trump's orbit suggested,
Speaker 2: I don't even know that it's that good that women vote.
Speaker 2: The woman said, if the country's taken care of, I
Speaker 2: don't care if I have the right to vote. And
Speaker 2: it was this incredible moment where it's that's hook line
Speaker 2: and sinker. These are the saviors and my role whether
Speaker 2: I vote or I don't vote, They're going to tell
Speaker 2: me what my role is and it's not for me
Speaker 2: to evaluate this is good or bad or scary or
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. And that's so different from
Speaker 2: everybody I talked to personally. That what influences the people
Speaker 2: I know personally, and what would impact that woman who
Speaker 2: said take away my right to vote. As long as
Speaker 2: we've got Trump instead of Harris, we're going to be okay.
Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine the same campaign motivating all of
Speaker 2: those voters because they're probably already seems so different.
Speaker 1: Perfectly said, it is a it is a wild time,
Speaker 1: and I think it goes about saying that ten years
Speaker 1: into this and it's ten years, uh three election cycles,
Speaker 1: it feels like it's coming to its end to me,
Speaker 1: and it feels like that we're going to be closing
Speaker 1: the door on a generation of political leaders, many of
Speaker 1: whom are still around in their eighties. But we're gonna
Speaker 1: see a lot of change in the in the immediate
Speaker 1: in the immediate future, and we're at a moment where
Speaker 1: I think that the country is either going to pick
Speaker 1: more of craziness at an epic level or or make
Speaker 1: ready for generational change. And if passed his prologue, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have generational change. We're gonna we're gonna take the
Speaker 1: exit off of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there seems to be an accelerationism that you know,
Speaker 2: I've spoken over the last however many years on my
Speaker 2: show how I'm not an accelerationist leftist who believes that
Speaker 2: we need to dismantle the system to rebuild it better off.
Speaker 2: As a social democrat, which is a form of regulated capitalism,
Speaker 2: I don't want to dismantle because I know how many
Speaker 2: people get hurt in the dismantling. I just want to
Speaker 2: keep making improvements in the way that sort of Ted
Speaker 2: Kennedy said, let's keep making improvements in the right direction
Speaker 2: rather than the wrong. I think what a slice of
Speaker 2: those that are part of MAGA right now are starting
Speaker 2: to lean towards is the accelerationism. It's if you know,
Speaker 2: they stole it from us in twenty twenty, if they
Speaker 2: do it again, the threshold of what I'm willing to
Speaker 2: personally do changes. My hope is that the air will
Speaker 2: be let out of it, especially if Republican officials in
Speaker 2: the aftermath of a Trump loss say we're moving on.
Speaker 2: I'm not jumping on that it was stolen bandwagon this time,
Speaker 2: so I hope it will be ten that. But anecdotally
Speaker 2: I do see, including the people that my correspondence talk
Speaker 2: to at rallies, sort of a willinglessness to adopt some
Speaker 2: of that accelerationism by the right about if they're going
Speaker 2: to steal it from them twice, we're now willing to
Speaker 2: do a lot more.
Speaker 1: It's also being set in the fervor of the rally
Speaker 1: with cajun of the crowd when everyone's home staring at
Speaker 1: their phones, right and it's cold outside. We'll see, we'll
Speaker 1: see where the fervor goes if the if the fever breaks,
Speaker 1: And until then, I think we're going to have a
Speaker 1: very very dramatic month in American politics, which is going
Speaker 1: to have a lot of twists and turns and wild
Speaker 1: days ahead in a race that, though she is winning,
Speaker 1: is not yet over, it is not yet settled, and
Speaker 1: it is not impossible for him him to win. It's
Speaker 1: not even improbable for him to be able to win
Speaker 1: the election. But again, I think it will break in
Speaker 1: her direction in the next couple of weeks as the
Speaker 1: American people make their final decision, and I think cancel
Speaker 1: a show that has gotten pretty boring.
Speaker 2: The show has jumped the shark. I think we can say.
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