WEBVTT - What Does Kamala Harris Need To Do To Take Down Trump | A Conversation with David Pakman

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<v Speaker 1>There's Kamala Harrison to turn and face Trump and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to the contrary and talk about the fear directly and

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<v Speaker 1>the stakes in a way that's more vivid, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>done it so far.

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<v Speaker 2>My biased view is that I would like to see

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<v Speaker 2>her do that, but I always try to consider someone

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't work in this field. But is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>working in Michigan and dealing with a student loan and

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<v Speaker 2>making sure they pick up their kids, but also being

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<v Speaker 2>on time to work. And is the economic message really

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<v Speaker 2>the single and soul message here that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the most motivating.

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<v Speaker 1>Or will you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Because where I hesitate Steve is that if you watch

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<v Speaker 2>your average Harris rally right now and your average Trump rally,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a positive vision coming from Harris and a

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<v Speaker 2>dark apocalyptic vision coming from Trump. Now, you can say

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of standard. When Harris is, in a sense

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<v Speaker 2>the incumbent, she wants to argue things are good and

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<v Speaker 2>will continue being good. It's natural that she would have

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<v Speaker 2>a positive vision, whereas on the other hand, Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to argue things are so bad you need to

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<v Speaker 2>elect me. But I think it goes beyond that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's actually more to it. And I've said,

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<v Speaker 2>when I watch these competing rallies, sometimes back to back,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem to me that the apocalyptic dark vision

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<v Speaker 2>from Trump with the lurid stories, and he had a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty second rant about Wisconsin over the weekend that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like he's describing I don't know what he's describing. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to ascribe it to any particular country, but

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not Milwaukee. Right when you listen to it, you go,

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't sound like Milwaukee to me, because I question

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<v Speaker 2>whether Trump doing it helps him convert anybody. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if Harris is better off sticking with the

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<v Speaker 2>economic message rather than the here's what you really should

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<v Speaker 2>be afraid of message, other than when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>women's bodily autonomy and reproductive rights, which does seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have been really effective at telling people what the stakes are.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a sense with the women in your lives,

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<v Speaker 1>with the women in your life and the women around you,

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<v Speaker 1>about their motivation to go and vote and their reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to Trump saying you know, the women are never going

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<v Speaker 1>to be happier. Hey, this is beautiful, right, the states

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<v Speaker 1>have it, don't worry about it. Right, there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in all the TRUMPI and bomb bast around this,

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<v Speaker 1>around this issue because you know, people, I honestly don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to say. I don't conceivably know what I

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<v Speaker 1>could say to a woman in America to urged him to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, participate and vote and stand up. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that that adds any weight beyond the weight of the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence around what's happening in the in the country, which

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<v Speaker 1>is which is shocking to behold, you know, at at

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<v Speaker 1>many levels. But fired up? Are they worried? Are they scared?

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<v Speaker 1>Or more women for Trump than you are? You are

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<v Speaker 1>surprised about what's anecdotally.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, anecdotally, I am maybe the wrong guy to ask,

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<v Speaker 2>because I know mostly women in blue states who are

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<v Speaker 2>on the left. And so there's two elements to that

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<v Speaker 2>that are important. One is, they weren't voting for Trump anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>even before all of this craziness with IVF and he's

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<v Speaker 2>very big on fertilezation and all of this stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>you know that makes no sense, So they weren't voting

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<v Speaker 2>for him anyway. But also, most of the women I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking to have a confidence we can discuss whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>appropriate or not that because they live in blue states.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I talk to my friends in New York

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<v Speaker 2>and Connecticut and Massachusetts, and they go, this stuff is nuts,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm so confident that we're going to be fine

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<v Speaker 2>in this state. I feel bad for the women in

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<v Speaker 2>fill in the blanks, right, and so I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the people I'm speaking to directly are kind of in

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<v Speaker 2>that camp, which is privileged in the sense of the

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<v Speaker 2>stakes feel lower on a lot of these issues. In

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<v Speaker 2>the states that have an HDI equivalent to Norway right,

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<v Speaker 2>like Connecticut and Massachusetts, it's a different situation than it

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<v Speaker 2>is in Mississippi, for example. Now, one other thing I

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<v Speaker 2>saw the good liars who do these interviews at Trump rallies.

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<v Speaker 2>They're really good. They I interviewed a woman recently who

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<v Speaker 2>said she it was you know what about such and

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<v Speaker 2>such who said, they're not even sure women should have

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<v Speaker 2>the right to vote at this point, I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>remember who said it, but recently somebody in Trump's orbit suggested,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know that it's that good that women vote.

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<v Speaker 2>The woman said, if the country's taken care of, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care if I have the right to vote. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was this incredible moment where it's that's hook line

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<v Speaker 2>and sinker. These are the saviors and my role whether

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<v Speaker 2>I vote or I don't vote, They're going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>me what my role is and it's not for me

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<v Speaker 2>to evaluate this is good or bad or scary or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the case may be. And that's so different from

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<v Speaker 2>everybody I talked to personally. That what influences the people

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<v Speaker 2>I know personally, and what would impact that woman who

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<v Speaker 2>said take away my right to vote. As long as

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<v Speaker 2>we've got Trump instead of Harris, we're going to be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to imagine the same campaign motivating all of

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<v Speaker 2>those voters because they're probably already seems so different.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfectly said, it is a it is a wild time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it goes about saying that ten years

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<v Speaker 1>into this and it's ten years, uh three election cycles,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like it's coming to its end to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it feels like that we're going to be closing

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<v Speaker 1>the door on a generation of political leaders, many of

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<v Speaker 1>whom are still around in their eighties. But we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of change in the in the immediate

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<v Speaker 1>in the immediate future, and we're at a moment where

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the country is either going to pick

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<v Speaker 1>more of craziness at an epic level or or make

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<v Speaker 1>ready for generational change. And if passed his prologue, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have generational change. We're gonna we're gonna take the

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<v Speaker 1>exit off of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there seems to be an accelerationism that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've spoken over the last however many years on my

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<v Speaker 2>show how I'm not an accelerationist leftist who believes that

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<v Speaker 2>we need to dismantle the system to rebuild it better off.

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<v Speaker 2>As a social democrat, which is a form of regulated capitalism,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to dismantle because I know how many

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<v Speaker 2>people get hurt in the dismantling. I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep making improvements in the way that sort of Ted

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy said, let's keep making improvements in the right direction

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<v Speaker 2>rather than the wrong. I think what a slice of

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<v Speaker 2>those that are part of MAGA right now are starting

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<v Speaker 2>to lean towards is the accelerationism. It's if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they stole it from us in twenty twenty, if they

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<v Speaker 2>do it again, the threshold of what I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 2>personally do changes. My hope is that the air will

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<v Speaker 2>be let out of it, especially if Republican officials in

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<v Speaker 2>the aftermath of a Trump loss say we're moving on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not jumping on that it was stolen bandwagon this time,

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<v Speaker 2>so I hope it will be ten that. But anecdotally

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<v Speaker 2>I do see, including the people that my correspondence talk

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<v Speaker 2>to at rallies, sort of a willinglessness to adopt some

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<v Speaker 2>of that accelerationism by the right about if they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to steal it from them twice, we're now willing to

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot more.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also being set in the fervor of the rally

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<v Speaker 1>with cajun of the crowd when everyone's home staring at

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<v Speaker 1>their phones, right and it's cold outside. We'll see, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see where the fervor goes if the if the fever breaks,

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<v Speaker 1>And until then, I think we're going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>very very dramatic month in American politics, which is going

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<v Speaker 1>to have a lot of twists and turns and wild

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<v Speaker 1>days ahead in a race that, though she is winning,

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<v Speaker 1>is not yet over, it is not yet settled, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is not impossible for him him to win. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not even improbable for him to be able to win

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<v Speaker 1>the election. But again, I think it will break in

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<v Speaker 1>her direction in the next couple of weeks as the

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<v Speaker 1>American people make their final decision, and I think cancel

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<v Speaker 1>a show that has gotten pretty boring.

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<v Speaker 2>The show has jumped the shark. I think we can say.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning and I invite

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