1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: There's Kamala Harrison to turn and face Trump and talk 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: to the contrary and talk about the fear directly and 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: the stakes in a way that's more vivid, and she's 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: done it so far. 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: My biased view is that I would like to see 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: her do that, but I always try to consider someone 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: who doesn't work in this field. But is you know, 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: working in Michigan and dealing with a student loan and 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: making sure they pick up their kids, but also being 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: on time to work. And is the economic message really 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: the single and soul message here that is going to 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: be the most motivating. 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: Or will you know? 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: Because where I hesitate Steve is that if you watch 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: your average Harris rally right now and your average Trump rally, 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: there is a positive vision coming from Harris and a 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: dark apocalyptic vision coming from Trump. Now, you can say 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: it's kind of standard. When Harris is, in a sense 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: the incumbent, she wants to argue things are good and 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: will continue being good. It's natural that she would have 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: a positive vision, whereas on the other hand, Trump is 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: trying to argue things are so bad you need to 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: elect me. But I think it goes beyond that. I 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: think that there's actually more to it. And I've said, 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: when I watch these competing rallies, sometimes back to back, 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to me that the apocalyptic dark vision 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: from Trump with the lurid stories, and he had a 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: thirty second rant about Wisconsin over the weekend that sounds 29 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: like he's describing I don't know what he's describing. I 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: don't want to ascribe it to any particular country, but 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: certainly not Milwaukee. Right when you listen to it, you go, 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: that doesn't sound like Milwaukee to me, because I question 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: whether Trump doing it helps him convert anybody. I just 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: don't know if Harris is better off sticking with the 35 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: economic message rather than the here's what you really should 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 2: be afraid of message, other than when it comes to 37 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: women's bodily autonomy and reproductive rights, which does seem to 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: have been really effective at telling people what the stakes are. 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: Do you have a sense with the women in your lives, 40 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: with the women in your life and the women around you, 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: about their motivation to go and vote and their reaction 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: to Trump saying you know, the women are never going 43 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: to be happier. Hey, this is beautiful, right, the states 44 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: have it, don't worry about it. Right, there's going to 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: be in all the TRUMPI and bomb bast around this, 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: around this issue because you know, people, I honestly don't 47 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: know what to say. I don't conceivably know what I 48 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: could say to a woman in America to urged him to, 49 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, participate and vote and stand up. You know 50 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: that that adds any weight beyond the weight of the 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: evidence around what's happening in the in the country, which 52 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: is which is shocking to behold, you know, at at 53 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: many levels. But fired up? Are they worried? Are they scared? 54 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Or more women for Trump than you are? You are 55 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: surprised about what's anecdotally. 56 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: You know, anecdotally, I am maybe the wrong guy to ask, 57 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: because I know mostly women in blue states who are 58 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: on the left. And so there's two elements to that 59 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: that are important. One is, they weren't voting for Trump anyway, 60 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: even before all of this craziness with IVF and he's 61 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: very big on fertilezation and all of this stuff that 62 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: you know that makes no sense, So they weren't voting 63 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: for him anyway. But also, most of the women I'm 64 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: talking to have a confidence we can discuss whether it's 65 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: appropriate or not that because they live in blue states. 66 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: You know. I talk to my friends in New York 67 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: and Connecticut and Massachusetts, and they go, this stuff is nuts, 68 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: But I'm so confident that we're going to be fine 69 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: in this state. I feel bad for the women in 70 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: fill in the blanks, right, and so I think that 71 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: the people I'm speaking to directly are kind of in 72 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: that camp, which is privileged in the sense of the 73 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: stakes feel lower on a lot of these issues. In 74 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: the states that have an HDI equivalent to Norway right, 75 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: like Connecticut and Massachusetts, it's a different situation than it 76 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: is in Mississippi, for example. Now, one other thing I 77 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: saw the good liars who do these interviews at Trump rallies. 78 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 2: They're really good. They I interviewed a woman recently who 79 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: said she it was you know what about such and 80 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: such who said, they're not even sure women should have 81 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: the right to vote at this point, I don't even 82 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: remember who said it, but recently somebody in Trump's orbit suggested, 83 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: I don't even know that it's that good that women vote. 84 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: The woman said, if the country's taken care of, I 85 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: don't care if I have the right to vote. And 86 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: it was this incredible moment where it's that's hook line 87 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: and sinker. These are the saviors and my role whether 88 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: I vote or I don't vote, They're going to tell 89 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: me what my role is and it's not for me 90 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 2: to evaluate this is good or bad or scary or 91 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. And that's so different from 92 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: everybody I talked to personally. That what influences the people 93 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: I know personally, and what would impact that woman who 94 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: said take away my right to vote. As long as 95 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: we've got Trump instead of Harris, we're going to be okay. 96 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine the same campaign motivating all of 97 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: those voters because they're probably already seems so different. 98 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: Perfectly said, it is a it is a wild time, 99 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: and I think it goes about saying that ten years 100 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: into this and it's ten years, uh three election cycles, 101 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: it feels like it's coming to its end to me, 102 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: and it feels like that we're going to be closing 103 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: the door on a generation of political leaders, many of 104 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: whom are still around in their eighties. But we're gonna 105 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: see a lot of change in the in the immediate 106 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: in the immediate future, and we're at a moment where 107 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: I think that the country is either going to pick 108 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: more of craziness at an epic level or or make 109 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: ready for generational change. And if passed his prologue, we're 110 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: gonna have generational change. We're gonna we're gonna take the 111 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: exit off of this. 112 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there seems to be an accelerationism that you know, 113 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: I've spoken over the last however many years on my 114 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: show how I'm not an accelerationist leftist who believes that 115 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 2: we need to dismantle the system to rebuild it better off. 116 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: As a social democrat, which is a form of regulated capitalism, 117 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to dismantle because I know how many 118 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: people get hurt in the dismantling. I just want to 119 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: keep making improvements in the way that sort of Ted 120 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: Kennedy said, let's keep making improvements in the right direction 121 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: rather than the wrong. I think what a slice of 122 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: those that are part of MAGA right now are starting 123 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: to lean towards is the accelerationism. It's if you know, 124 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: they stole it from us in twenty twenty, if they 125 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: do it again, the threshold of what I'm willing to 126 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: personally do changes. My hope is that the air will 127 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: be let out of it, especially if Republican officials in 128 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: the aftermath of a Trump loss say we're moving on. 129 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm not jumping on that it was stolen bandwagon this time, 130 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: so I hope it will be ten that. But anecdotally 131 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: I do see, including the people that my correspondence talk 132 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: to at rallies, sort of a willinglessness to adopt some 133 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: of that accelerationism by the right about if they're going 134 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: to steal it from them twice, we're now willing to 135 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: do a lot more. 136 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: It's also being set in the fervor of the rally 137 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: with cajun of the crowd when everyone's home staring at 138 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: their phones, right and it's cold outside. We'll see, we'll 139 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: see where the fervor goes if the if the fever breaks, 140 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: And until then, I think we're going to have a 141 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: very very dramatic month in American politics, which is going 142 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: to have a lot of twists and turns and wild 143 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: days ahead in a race that, though she is winning, 144 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: is not yet over, it is not yet settled, and 145 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: it is not impossible for him him to win. It's 146 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: not even improbable for him to be able to win 147 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: the election. But again, I think it will break in 148 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: her direction in the next couple of weeks as the 149 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: American people make their final decision, and I think cancel 150 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: a show that has gotten pretty boring. 151 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: The show has jumped the shark. I think we can say. 152 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning and I invite 153 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: you to join. Subscribe on our sub stack, on our 154 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, follow us. Welcome to the community.