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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 2: we've been trying to get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athlete to break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Quark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy for rookies to be doing. Our discussions

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Speaker 1: will uncover the vital connections between these realms and the

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Speaker 1: community we create. Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Carrie Champion. Hey, family, I appreciate y'all for being here.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. Today's episode is wonderful. I

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Speaker 1: am with one of the best to do it. In

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Speaker 1: my opinion. You know, I'm a little biased because she

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Speaker 1: is my girl, but it is true. For the better

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Speaker 1: part of a decade, I have been getting my news

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Speaker 1: and information from Joy Read and I've always appreciated how

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Speaker 1: Joy has been able to deliver that news and information

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Speaker 1: with so much soul and heart Because knowing her personally,

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Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. She is a sweetheart, She is kind,

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Speaker 1: she is smart. God, she's so smart she is. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if she swallowed encyclopedias. And I'm not even being funny,

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Speaker 1: like I'm like, how, hey, did you know that friend? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I met Joy or we became close rather during COVID.

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Speaker 1: I know many of us remember that time during the

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Speaker 1: pandemic when we were in the house and we were

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Speaker 1: talking to our friends more and setting up zoom calls

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Speaker 1: and having zoom dates and watching TV shows together while

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Speaker 1: we complained about that time, Lord do I miss it?

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Speaker 1: And there is a group of us. The group is

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Speaker 1: called the Machetes. It consists of Angela Rye, Tiffany Crossed,

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Speaker 1: Jamel Hill, Aaron Haynes, Alicia Garza, Latasha Brown, Brittany Pacnet Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: who's also been just about everyone has been on my

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Speaker 1: pod before and yours truly, and these women really, in

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Speaker 1: so many ways have been a support to me, and

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Speaker 1: my hope is to them as well. But we all

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Speaker 1: have been able to bond together under one common goal,

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Speaker 1: and if I'm being honest with you all, the goal

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Speaker 1: is that we just hopefully are trying to see how

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Speaker 1: we can change and make change and have a positive

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Speaker 1: effect for the culture and I think that we are

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Speaker 1: all doing it in very different ways, but I do

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Speaker 1: know as this friendship has progressed, all of us have

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Speaker 1: decided that our missions may look different, but the common

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Speaker 1: goal is the same. Right truth to power, speak truth

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Speaker 1: to power, make sure that we can inform and also

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Speaker 1: speak out for those who don't have a voice. It's

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Speaker 1: really simple. I know that a lot of the times

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Speaker 1: people think that they know who we are, or know

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Speaker 1: who Joy is in this particular case, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you really know. I think Joy is arguably

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Speaker 1: one of the sweetest people I've ever met in my

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Speaker 1: entire life. And even though she is known for dropping

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Speaker 1: hot fire and ether on folks, I think personally she

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Speaker 1: does not like to speak ill of other people. I

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Speaker 1: think she has a giving, huge heart. I think that

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Speaker 1: she really really cares about democracy in the world in

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Speaker 1: which we live in. And it's coming from an honest place.

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Speaker 1: It's not coming from a hypocritical place. It's not coming

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Speaker 1: from a place where she's like, I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: get paid and be famous. It's coming from just look,

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Speaker 1: I see what's wrong, and I want to change the world.

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Speaker 1: And her perspective is beautiful and so today on the show.

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Speaker 1: I say all this because I want you guys to

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Speaker 1: understand what is what you're about to listen to. And

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Speaker 1: I say this, and I'm not kidding you. Joy talked

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Speaker 1: about the Diddy case. She talked about that documentary. She

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Speaker 1: and I I actually brought that up so you guys

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Speaker 1: will be able to hear that. She gave her take

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Speaker 1: on it because she has had some thoughts about what

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Speaker 1: he said about her show and why her show was

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Speaker 1: recently canceled, and she responded back towards him. And so

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Speaker 1: we went into some serious things. We talked about Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: If I have to be honest with you, this episode

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Speaker 1: to me that I've and I've been doing this. This

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Speaker 1: is my fifth season, this is the year five of

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports. This episode has to be to me, the

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Speaker 1: most personal, the most informative, and the most candid. Now, Nook,

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Speaker 1: I don't have no memory, so maybe there were more,

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Speaker 1: her for defending me. And sometimes you know you have

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Speaker 1: talking about the documentary and at the time, because by

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Speaker 1: the time you hear this, I have already seen the documentary,

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Speaker 1: but at the time I hadn't seen it, and she

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Speaker 1: she felt very very positive about her reviews and what

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Speaker 1: she thought about Diddy. She said she never liked him

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Speaker 1: and and the documentary solidified that for her. Now, if

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Speaker 1: want to say colleagues. I don't say work with maybe

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Speaker 1: Sarah campaign. It's it's all over the internet. So I

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Speaker 1: don't want to pretend like y'all don't know. And I

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Speaker 1: did a Sarah campaign for him around the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I've done a couple of things for him around the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He would always like see my pages and

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Speaker 1: leave me comments and say things. I would respond. I've

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Speaker 1: seen him before in public, hi and by sat down

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Speaker 1: chatted with him. I can't call him a friend, but

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Speaker 1: but I've been to a Diddy party before a couple.

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Speaker 1: If I'm honest, and I could say I know him,

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Speaker 1: say I didn't think that he was culturally acceptable. We

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Speaker 1: can remember who said, I don't fool him. I never

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Speaker 1: liked him, but did He is the culture. There's no

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Speaker 1: the culture. Voice of the culture set the standard for

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Speaker 1: I know that there are people dirty money, there are

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Speaker 1: He most definitely is a part of the culture. But

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Speaker 1: I say if an alleged only because I understand that

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Speaker 1: people remember things differently. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

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Speaker 1: But there are so many instances within this documentary where

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Speaker 1: was vicious, this dude is a criminal, this dude was calculated.

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Speaker 1: Ah wow, I had no idea. Now, mind you, everybody

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Speaker 1: benefits of our platform. No one is denying that Skip

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Speaker 1: Bayless and steven A. Smith were seasoned vets when I

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Speaker 1: for a fact. I knew for a fact that Skip

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Speaker 1: A was gonna be cool with whatever Skip Bayless wanted.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, Maybe Skip Bayless will weigh in eventually,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about what we are watching, the Reckoning. How

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Speaker 1: Of the Mary that's what it's the great point. All

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Speaker 1: also thinking he's had so many iterations of life. Right,

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00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: So he was this music guy, then he was I

429
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Speaker 1: mean a lot, and then obviously people connect him to

430
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Speaker 1: the to the white parties. I can tell you stories

431
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: that when I was a local reporter in West pomp Beach,

432
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: I would go to mar A Lago and they would

433
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Speaker 1: have this benefit. Russell Simmons and his brother would do

434
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Speaker 1: this art for life benefit.

435
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: I remember that.

436
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: Remember that. And Diddy was there. They hanging out with

437
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and and Russell and who was a very

438
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: she was on She was you know her, she was

439
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: on the view for a long time and she got married.

440
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: You know she's a judge.

441
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Speaker 2: Judge.

442
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: Ohout, she's not a judge, but she has a judge show.

443
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: Sar Jones, Yes, Sir Jones, was there. God that was.

444
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: Gave me back, gave me back.

445
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: What is the woman's name? She does this thing? The

446
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: lady I know, right, But she was like and all

447
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: these people. Two things were happening. One everyone was fine

448
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump, and this might be when he was

449
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 1: a Democrat. Everyone was fine with him.

450
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: Then hip hop loved him.

451
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: Hip hop loved Donald Trump, and nobody talks about that

452
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: like he had. He was friends with these people, hung

453
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: out with everybody that was big and famous. How come

454
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: we don't talk about that. That's also just this memory

455
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: thing for everyone is gone.

456
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so funny because the first person I

457
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: had two quick stories to tell you. So Number one,

458
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: the first person I interview when Donald Trump was running

459
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: was legitimately running. He kept saying he was gonna run.

460
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: He didn't run in twenty twelve when it was clear

461
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 2: he was gonna run. In twenty sixteen. The first person

462
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: I reached out to was Uncle Luke because Uncle Luke

463
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: and then used to party with him at mar A Lago,

464
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: and I knew that I know Luke a little bit,

465
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: so I reached out to him and did an interview

466
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: with him, and he talked about how everybody was at Marlago,

467
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: all the hip hop artists, and I'm also a longtime

468
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 2: og Trumpeter. I've never liked him because I moved back

469
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: to New York at the same time as the Central

470
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: Park five and they're my age. So as a teenager,

471
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: I saw Trump as a super villain and was shocked

472
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: when he became famous and black people liked him, and

473
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: all my friends were watching The Apprentice. I'm like, that's

474
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 2: the guy who tried to kill them five brothers. I

475
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: can't believe y'all like him. But I sat there and

476
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 2: watched as a young anti Trump person, watching him become

477
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: this icon to black people to hip hop. He was

478
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: literally friends with all these rappers and bringing them to

479
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: mar A Lago. He was seeming like a Robin Hood

480
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 2: figure who would let these blacks and Jews come to

481
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 2: mar A Lago in this lily white palm beach that

482
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: was rejecting blacks and Jews, and so he was like

483
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: in your face with it. So he was like seen

484
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: as somebody that a lot of black people like, which

485
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: is why a lot of like gen x hip hop

486
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: people are still friends with him. But my last little piece,

487
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: I'll tell you to go back to Puffy for a

488
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: second is back in the nineties and early nineties and

489
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: ninety two, at the time when Trump was all in

490
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: hip hop and everybody was in hip hop, and Puffy

491
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: was trying to be an artist and not just behind

492
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Speaker 2: the scenes. Jason and I had a show called Video

493
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Speaker 2: Dub Play. We produced a reggae music show back in

494
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Speaker 2: my old early days.

495
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Speaker 1: Jason is her husband. Folks who are listening and watching,

496
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Speaker 1: I love this so much, Okay, Jason being your ride

497
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: or die and y'all haveth creating everything for a long time,

498
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: long time, so.

499
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Speaker 2: We had to show. Yeah. We had a little company

500
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: called Our One Productions and it was six black, young

501
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: black people, most of them were still at School of

502
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: Visual Arts, and we produced this show called Video Dub Plate.

503
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: And there was a song we used to spend on

504
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: that show that had Puffy in it, and it was

505
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: you know Supercat, who's like a major dancehall artist. He

506
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: had a remix to his song Dolly My Baby, and

507
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: the remix featured Puffy and this artist called Third Eye. Everyone,

508
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: I please, I promise you if you go on YouTube

509
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: and you look up this song Supercats Dolly my Baby remix,

510
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: listen to Puffy trying to rap, and you will understand.

511
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: He has always wanted to be the rapper, the performer,

512
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 2: not the producer. And he has no rap talent and

513
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: no rap skills at all, which is another thing that

514
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: comes out in this movie. He's always wanted to be

515
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: the star, but he just doesn't have the capability. He

516
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: doesn't have. That's not his skill set, but he thinks

517
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: it is. Y'all gotta listen to this. He has Biggie

518
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: in the remix with him and this guy Third Eye,

519
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: and he's trying to imitate not Biggie, who's the better

520
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: rapper in the remix, He's imitating Third Eye throughout the

521
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: song and it's hilarious. You know, you're welcome.

522
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: Also, You're like, go back and you're welcome. Everybody. Check

523
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: that out. That's what I'm doing right now, no questions asked.

524
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: I also, I want to hang on what you just said.

525
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: He is always rapping. He never has given that up.

526
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: He had an album out just a couple of years

527
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: before the charges or a year maybe a year before

528
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: the charges dropped. That when Cassie, when Cassie actually is

529
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: spilled the tea. But I'm curious, in your opinion, what

530
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: is his talent? Why does he affect the culture and

531
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: has affected the culture the way he has In your opinion.

532
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: I think his talent. I you know, it's funny that

533
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: we talked about Trump and him together. I used to

534
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: call Trump the Puffy of politics because they have the

535
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: same talent, which is marketing. They're both marketing geniuses. You

536
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: know what Puffy's talent is. He was an excellent A

537
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: and R. He was able to spot good talent. He

538
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: was able to take that talent like a Mary Jay

539
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: and figure out the best thing to do with this

540
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: woman's incredible voice is to make her the queen of

541
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: hip hop soul. Here's how she should. She should have

542
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 2: these shorts with these boots. She should have these dancers

543
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: with his hair. He's able to sort of manufacture an

544
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: image and market that image, and he's brilliant at that.

545
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: I'll give him that. He's a he's an expert marketer

546
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: and great talent scout. That is his talent. But I

547
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: think in his mind, and this is what this doc

548
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: brings out, while his real talent is finding great talent,

549
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: marketing them, packaging them, and then selling that package, he

550
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: really envies that talent and wants to be them. And

551
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: he gets that, and that envy is kind of what

552
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: his achilles heel is is that it's not good enough

553
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: for him to find a biggie, market a biggie, make

554
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: a biggie successful. He wants to be in the video

555
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: with Biggie. He wants to do the next sixteen bars

556
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: after Biggie. He wants to be Biggie. And that's I

557
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: think what's his downfall is that envy and that greed

558
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: and ultimately that sense of wanting to control an artist

559
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: like a Biggie rather than just support him and boost him.

560
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's when when you listen, when anybody listens

561
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: to you, joy, this is just no no cap You're like, gosh,

562
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: this this woman knows so much. You has so much information.

563
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I am listening. I know. The

564
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: transition from being on having your own show on MSNBC,

565
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: which is now ms now has been a grind, has

566
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: been a grind. You have been grinding. You are you

567
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: know one of one of the folks that said, you know,

568
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: I like watching all the anchors on the internet. They're

569
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 1: doing the thing, you know, referring to like you and

570
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: Don Lemon and whomever else, reminds them that they can

571
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: live in that space. What are the differences. I obviously

572
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles like outside of the aesthetics of

573
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: it all, but what are the differences? Do you feel

574
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: more free and what you can cover and say, because

575
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't ever feel as if you were afraid to

576
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: go there, you would always go there. I don't ever

577
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: fear was never in your scope of how you present

578
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: it the news. So what is the difference for you now?

579
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: I think you know, I was never fearful, but there

580
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: were definitely areas in which I was clipped, you know,

581
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: in which the things that I could do, I pushed

582
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: it to the limit. But there was always a limit, right,

583
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: There was a limit with what they would say they

584
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: would let you do. Like I'll give you an example

585
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: when Elon Musk threw up that what shirt did look

586
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: like a hob hitler. I mean, it's what it appeared

587
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: to be. Did it twice? Threw his arm up in

588
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: the air. We were, you know, from standards and practice

589
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: point of view, and I get it because they don't

590
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: want to get sued for you know, libel or slander.

591
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: We were not able to say that that's what it was.

592
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: And there was a huge backlash to anyone who did.

593
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: Catherine Rampel on CNN went on and she called it

594
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: a sighile and someone on the panel like it was

595
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: Scott Jennings said, oh, you're gonna get sued for you know,

596
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: for libel. You're gonna get sued for slander. And she's like,

597
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: try me, you know, because it's what it looked like

598
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: to her. It's like there's a there's a sense in

599
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: which the corporation is protecting its own interests when it

600
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: comes to the people you're covering. I had a colleague

601
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: that just wanted to cover Elon Musk honestly and his

602
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: the damage he was doing even before he was paying

603
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: for Trump's election, and was so clipped that he left,

604
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: you know, because these corporations, there's certain there's a limit

605
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: to what they're willing to let you say. So the

606
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: difference now is that I'm unconstrained. I still have to

607
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: think about you know, we still have you know, we

608
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: have a lawyer. We have to make sure that we

609
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: have you know, you know, legal protection so that we

610
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 2: can say what we want to say. We still are

611
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: not going to go out there and slander someone. We

612
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: have to really be careful with what's alleged, what's facts,

613
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: and so we still have to be careful. So it's

614
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: without the limitations, but also without the infrastructure, and the

615
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: infrastructure really is a luxury It's a difference between like

616
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: staying in a Four Seasons, you know, staying in a Marriott.

617
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: You know, Mariot is still it's still a hotel, but

618
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: you know, you got to do a lot more for yourself.

619
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: Not no offense to Marriott, and I guess they want

620
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 2: to advertise on the joy Read show. I don't want

621
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: to kiss them off, but I mean, it's not the

622
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: Four Seasons. You know, it's just different.

623
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: Because a bed and breakfast versus a luxury hotel.

624
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: It's an right and you know what's so I'm sorry

625
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: to keep obsessing about this show, but sis, when I know,

626
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: keep keep going the hotel that Puffy is staying at.

627
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: My favorite hotel in New York.

628
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: The hotel when they the hotel where they came to

629
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: pick him up at, or the hotel where he's staying

630
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: at the show the park. What is that the park? Hi? Yeah,

631
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: that's your favorite hotel.

632
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: I was who I was having like ageda watching him

633
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: being in my hotel.

634
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: I do love I, by the way, a great hotel. Clearly,

635
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: maybe you guys might be friends. You never know. Let

636
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: me ask you this the two years the sentencing, did

637
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: you think when I saw the Cassie video. I think

638
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: like most people, we were like, it's a rap. He's done.

639
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: He can't come back, he won't be able to come back.

640
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: It's done. This is why I am convinced that social

641
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: media and the world we live in today really has

642
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: trained us to have short memories. We forget people, we

643
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: forget things, We forget, we forget what you do which

644
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: you've accomplished. We forget the good and the bad. All

645
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: of it is just wiped away. And so when I

646
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: saw that video, I was like, oh, it's a rap.

647
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: But then when and we talked about this in our

648
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: in our private group chats, like you know the case,

649
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, they must have something for them to

650
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: make these have these federal charges. And then the whole

651
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: time the case is going on, I'm like, well, where, well,

652
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: where is this? Where is that? Where all the things

653
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: that we thought they were gonna do. I still was waiting,

654
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: and I wasn't following the case as closely as anybody

655
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: else was. But weren't you thinking they haven't proved much

656
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: or where are the examples for this outside of the

657
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: fact that he likes he's a freak and he likes

658
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: to do freaking things in his bedroom and he hires prostitutes.

659
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: Name somebody who doesn't like Name somebody, a man, even

660
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: a woman. I just want to say, with resources, who's

661
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: lived a long life, who hasn't tried to do live

662
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: in that world? You know what I mean. I just

663
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: didn't feel like there was enough domestic violence. He wasn't

664
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: charged with that. He wasn't charged with that. And I

665
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: am not apologizing for Diddy. I'm just speaking on the

666
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: other aspect of it. Cassie. He gets her eighteen nineteen

667
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, she's young, she had any better. But

668
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: here we push in a decade and I know you

669
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: probably have become numb to it now, Cassie, and you've

670
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: been dealing with stuff. But the way that are presenting

671
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: this case, it was like either you liked it or

672
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: you were trying to please Diddy and excuse me, and

673
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: you realized like it just became a part of life.

674
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: How did you see all of this unwin literally as

675
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: it was unwinding. How did you see this case playing

676
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: out in terms of where they going to sentence Diddy?

677
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I agree with you that I think

678
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: they almost overcharged it and undercharged it. I was actually

679
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: only following it through Terray. Ray has a great podcast

680
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: where he was following it like in a granular way,

681
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: so I was mostly just getting the recaps through him.

682
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 2: So I wasn't, you know, watching it like the OJ trial.

683
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: I wasn't following it like that. But whenever we would

684
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: get sort of updates, even when I was following it

685
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: to the extent I was, I kept I'm like, yo,

686
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: I kept waiting for them to drop the bomb, like

687
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: what is the big thing that's going to prove racketeering?

688
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: And I think the racketeering piece is what tripped them

689
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: up because they didn't seem to have that, And that's

690
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: something Terray was like sort of preparing his viewers, including

691
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: myself for, was that the racketeering didn't feel like it

692
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: was playing out. It definitely proved that he's a horrible

693
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: human being, an abusive and a rotten person, but it

694
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: wasn't like the Egen Carroll case where it was dead

695
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: to rights like they had. Egen Carroll's case was just proved,

696
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: you know, you know, incredibly well done, but in this case,

697
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: it was like they had him as an abuser, but

698
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: they didn't have the full case. So yeah, I think.

699
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: They had, but like we okay, So then when you're

700
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: that powerful, and there's not anybody who's been associated with

701
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: Diddy around Diddy who hadn't heard the stories of him

702
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: being an abuser. And I'm talking about famous people, not

703
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: so famous people, people with access, they've seen it. Why

704
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: was he so protected?

705
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: In your opinion, Why was Jeffrey Epstein protected? Why was

706
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: Bill Cosby protected? Why was Harvey Weinstein protected? It's like

707
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: their men, they're rich men, and and and and it's

708
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: the one place in which the only racism is that

709
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: the black guys more likely to get convicted of something,

710
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But they're all they're all

711
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: wealthy protected Donald Trump, Why is Donald I've gotten away with?

712
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: He's got twenty six accusers that say he either everything

713
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: from sexually harassed them to sexually abuse them. One has

714
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: gotten some sort of adjudication and civil no no criminal right.

715
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I literally am sitting here for the show

716
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: next week. I have it right here. It's sitting literally

717
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: on my desk. Well, this is my dining tip, which

718
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: I've taken over as my desk. This is Donald Trump

719
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: and Jeffrey Epstein being accused. You know, many many many

720
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: years ago, in twenty sixteen, when he was running for

721
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: president by a woman who claimed she was sexually abused

722
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: by the two of them when she was thirteen. This

723
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: thing went nowhere. It went nowhere. You know, these men

724
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: are fully protected by our society, and.

725
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: What about our short memories. He said something about how

726
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: black people rolled with with Donald and I thought that

727
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: was really interesting and I didn't go there. But they

728
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: the gen xers loved come on, loved him still still do.

729
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: Who who does I feel like hip hop black?

730
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: We always are like, why are all these black hip hoppers,

731
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: you know, the cubes of the world, the fifty cents

732
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: of the world, these like gen x age snoop dogs,

733
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: snoop they all seem to be like Trump adjacent or

734
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: at least tra open. It's because they always were. And

735
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: then we're we were sort of shocked. They all knew

736
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 2: what he was, this dude, his case for not allowing

737
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: black people to live in his apartments. That's from the seventies.

738
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: The Central Park five was in the eighties. This is

739
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: not like ancient ancient history. But no one seemed to care,

740
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: you know, and people were like, he's bawling, he's rich,

741
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: he's with us, you know. And he was with Mike Tyson.

742
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson was friends with them like he was friends.

743
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: He seemed to be friends with all these famous black men.

744
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: And I just think that that never wore off for

745
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: a lot of gen X brothers. It just didn't fast.

746
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: Did he when he speaking of him being did he

747
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: has come out against Trump? He has. I've heard him

748
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: say that and spoke against him.

749
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: But now he's in the hell.

750
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, I was just about

751
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: to say I went out of jail. I want to.

752
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 2: So r Kelly about to write a song about Trump.

753
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: I don't see nothing wrong?

754
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: Can I get out? He Yo, here's a check yo?

755
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: The commonality? Oh my god, that makes me uncomfortable. Okay.

756
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: So do you see a world in which yeah, girl,

757
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: because he like girl. I don't see either you wrong? People?

758
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: We used to do it back in the day.

759
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeo. Now he got Pete onter baby, she was fourteen.

760
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: Let me out.

761
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: I want out, give me out. Do you think let's

762
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: think of talk about this. Do you see a world

763
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: in which Donald Trump will pardon or Kelly and or

764
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: Diddy or both?

765
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: Yes? If they as they write that check and they

766
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: say they love Trump. This is how it works. He's

767
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: pardoned drug lords, the former Honduran president who's a major

768
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: drug deal like he was. His drug empire flowed from

769
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: the presidency of Honduras. He's out, and I just assume,

770
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have evidence of this. As a journalist,

771
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: I have to say I do not have evidence of it.

772
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 2: I just assume they're writing him a check. Carlos Watson.

773
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: I went to school with Carlos lows As. We used

774
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: to carl him at Harvard. He got thrown, you know,

775
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: he had a huge sentence for fraud. He's out. I'm

776
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: assuming you paid. I'm just I'm assume everyone writes him

777
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: a check, you know, and you get out. So I

778
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: think if they write the check and say they love Trump,

779
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: he's easily swayed by compliments and money. The guy from Honduras,

780
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: the president of Honduras wrote him a really nice letter,

781
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: called him your excellency. Check.

782
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.

783
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: I don't have evidence of it, but they're out. I mean,

784
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: if Trump is not difficult to manage, I look out

785
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: the way Mom, Donnie. He walked him like a like

786
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: a puppy out of their meeting. All you have to

787
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: do with Trump is really complimenting, and he pretty much

788
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 2: You're like, he's eaten out of the palm in your hands.

789
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: What do you think of mom, Donny? Do you think

790
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: that he? Trump called him, said he was a nice guy,

791
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: said he liked him. Mandanmi also had words for Trump,

792
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: but when they got face to face, it was like,

793
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: let's just handle business. So is anybody really about that life?

794
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: Like I don't fool with trump life or is it

795
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: a means to an end?

796
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: He came out of the meeting said we had a

797
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: good conversation. The reporter started to ask him, do you

798
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: still think he's a fascist? He started to say yes.

799
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: Trump interrupted and said it's okay, you can call me

800
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: a fascist. Then he goes on meet the press, Mam Donnie,

801
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: and then he gets asked again, do you think Kristen

802
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: Welker says, do you still think he's a FASTI? He said, yes, yes,

803
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: he's an artist. So I think with Mom Donnie, I

804
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: don't think he even took He never took back anything

805
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: you said about him, and I think he still thinks

806
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: the same thing. But he's like, I got to get

807
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: stuff done for New York and I.

808
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: Went in there and I gave him respect. I just

809
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: just a respectful thing to do. Like if you want

810
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: to interesting, it's.

811
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: Really got right. It's like if you he's he's the

812
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: devil you got to deal with. If you're the mayor

813
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: of New York City, which is the most you know,

814
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: mayor of La New York. He's the biggest cities in

815
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: the country, you got to deal with the president. So

816
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: he went in and he did his business.

817
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: I think of Mayor Browser, she did all the things right.

818
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: Mariel Muriel, Muriel her first name. What did she do?

819
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: Didn't she like walk back the She got rid of

820
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: all the fists on the on the pavement of Black

821
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Lives Matter. She was doing things because she don't want

822
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: no smoke. It's to me at least it came across

823
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: that way. Explain the situation with her, because she did.

824
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: I thought, try to acquiesce to his demands. You tell

825
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: me what you saw and why. The end result for

826
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: her was an investigation into possibly doing something illegal.

827
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because Donald Trump is not respect he

828
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: respects strength, even he in a way respects his opponents.

829
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: In the end, you know, if you if you are

830
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: if you are hard on him, and you are, you

831
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: come at him with strength. I think at the end,

832
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: like he had respect for Comma in that debate, he

833
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: expressed that, you know, I respect that. I respect what

834
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: you did because she came at him. If you capitulate him,

835
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: if you kneel to him, he will not respect you,

836
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: and he will roll over you. And I think what

837
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: Mayor Bowser respectfully, what I would say to her is

838
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 2: what she did is she just immediately capitulated. Donal Trump

839
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: does not respect that. You have to remember Donald Trump

840
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: as a gangster. In his mind, he's a paper gangster.

841
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: He wouldn't really fight, he wouldn't really use physical fight

842
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: because he's not like courageous, not he doesn't have physical courage,

843
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: but he's he's got a gangster mentality. And what did

844
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: gangster's respect strength? Mam? Donnie went in there, did not

845
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: shade anything, said let's just do business, and he came

846
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: at him strong. And so I think what Muriel Bowser's

847
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: mistake was, and I think what a lot of these

848
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: corporations mistake is if you kneel to Trump immediately, he'll

849
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: just bully you and misuse and abuse you.

850
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: It's not because she's a black woman. It's not just

851
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: because she's a black woman. So so, but you think

852
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: so a little bit of that, right, a little bit

853
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: of it, not too much of it. But because if

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Speaker 1: he obviously respected Kamala in some aspect, I guess you know,

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Speaker 1: you can't. We can't live on that. I can't.

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Speaker 2: I think you respect her in the day, on the

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Speaker 2: day of the debate, not in disrespectful to her in general,

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Speaker 2: because he doesn't respect women. He don't respect women, and

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Speaker 2: he definitely doesn't respect Black women. He has a disrespect

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Speaker 2: in general for Black women, a disrespect in general for

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Speaker 2: women period. But I think in that moment of the debate,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you even read Kamala's book, he was

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Speaker 2: complimentary of her afterwards, because in the moment, he'll respect

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Speaker 2: you if you're strong, you know. I think he's a

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Speaker 2: grudging respect for people like Letitia James, even though he

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Speaker 2: hates her because she beat him. He hates her, but

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Speaker 2: I think he has to respect her because she's not

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Speaker 2: going to back down. You just can't back down to him,

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Speaker 2: because you have to remember, as a woman, I watch

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Speaker 2: these women in these the women journalists who let him

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Speaker 2: abuse them. He does respect those women at all. If

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Speaker 2: you don't say something back, you don't snap back. Where's

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Speaker 2: the Axios got? The Australian got me to forget his

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Speaker 2: name when he did that interview with Trump because he

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Speaker 2: would not let Trump off the mat. Trump respected that

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Speaker 2: because Trump is an ass asshole, but he's gonna respect

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Speaker 2: you at least if you're strong. I think Nero Bowser

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Speaker 2: should have been stronger.

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Speaker 1: You think she should. I thought so too, because at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, didn't he and you could

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Speaker 1: you know this better than I did? Didn't he actually didn't.

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Speaker 1: An investigation is underway right into whether or not she's

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Speaker 1: doing something illegal, and I'm like, she did all those

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Speaker 1: things that at the end of the day don't know

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Speaker 1: it didn't It didn't help. He's still coming for you

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Speaker 1: for you, Hey, everybody, I decided during the interview, because

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Speaker 1: it was going so long, because it was so damn good,

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Speaker 1: that I should make this a two parter. I don't

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Speaker 1: want you all to miss out on anything that was

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Speaker 1: said here. So we're stopping right now and we will

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Speaker 1: be back next week with part two of my interview

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Speaker 1: with Joey Reid. You do not want to miss it.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you'all next week. Naked Sports written and executive

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