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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We got another amazing show for you today,

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Kolinsky is back in the house. Great to

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Speaker 1: have you back, sir. It's my pleasure to be here,

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Speaker 1: be back next week. So just a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: loved you yesterday. Though people were happy to see in

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure you found like two things that were negative,

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Speaker 1: fair criticism. I mean, I watched one of our videos

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Speaker 1: So yeah, if I was too like prudish isn't the

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Speaker 1: Reconciliation Bill. We got some new information yesterday. Josh Halli

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Speaker 1: A groundbreaking report on just how quickly climate change is

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Speaker 1: We're going to debate that a little bit. Richard Wolf

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Speaker 1: Professor Richard Wolf, to talk about where we are in

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Speaker 1: That is one of the things that they list as

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Speaker 1: The bulk of those provisions. The committee that they have

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Speaker 1: But honestly, what I think Biden's dodge on that is

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Speaker 1: of like identity stuff or banning speakers from college campuses,

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Speaker 1: or joke policing. There is nothing remotely woke about an

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Speaker 1: infrastructure built, like telling you what pronouns to use with

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Speaker 1: your bridge or whatever exactly. So to your point, they

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Speaker 1: just sort of throw the buzzwords out there and say

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Speaker 1: it's woke, like it's bad, no pun intended, like it's

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Speaker 1: a trump card, Like I win the debate because I

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Speaker 1: said you're woke. It's like, it's just it's so disingenuous.

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Speaker 1: And I also want to go ahead and let everybody know. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Josh Holly, Yes, he was for the two thousand dollars checks,

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Speaker 1: which is something I gave him massive credit on because

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Speaker 1: that's not something you see from many other Republicans. It's

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Speaker 1: basically him and Trump and then a handful in the

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Speaker 1: House who were for it on the right. Yeah, but listen,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who is also first so called

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Speaker 1: right to work legislation, and right to work is really

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Speaker 1: right to work for less because non union states make

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Speaker 1: eleven percent less than union states. He was against that

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Speaker 1: fifteen dollars minimum wage vote when it came up recently

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. He's against the pro Act in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: he was for a balanced budget constitutional amendment. You can't

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Speaker 1: say this guy's just totally a hollow shape shifter. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly right. We exactly right. It's all just about political ambition.

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Speaker 1: And there was a he had a test case that

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Speaker 1: he ran back in December and January. In December, he

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Speaker 1: was there with Bernie pushing for the checks and he

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Speaker 1: got all kinds of shit from Republicans for that did

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Speaker 1: not have a gigantic fundraising boon from fighting for something

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Speaker 1: that was actually good. Then January sixth happens and he's

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Speaker 1: out there pictured with his fist in the air. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go on, insurrection has storm the Capitol, raises millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars and much, you know, his esteem and his clout

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Speaker 1: within the Republican base is much lifted from that one moment.

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Speaker 1: We have this Acchio's care sheet that we can put

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Speaker 1: up there that spells out the numbers, so Hally's donations

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Speaker 1: individual donations shot up three thousand, five hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: two percent based on his abhorrent behavior on January sixth

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Speaker 1: and totally like shameless and embarrassing way that he conducted himself.

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Speaker 1: They have other people here, Ted Cruz, who also was terrible,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and thirty two percent increase, Matt Gates seven

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two percent increase, But Holly was the

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Speaker 1: real winner here three thousand and five hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: two percent increase compared to the first six months of

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Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen cycle. The other people who have had

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Speaker 1: huge fundraising boons are like the Liz Cheneys of the world,

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Speaker 1: who are like famous on the other side of this

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Speaker 1: and are getting all kinds of like resistance liberal money.

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Speaker 1: People who didn't distinguish themselves in terms of stop this

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Speaker 1: deal in January sixth, basically flat lined. And this guy

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Speaker 1: Doug Hay who's like, I think he's like a Republican

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Speaker 1: strategist type. But he had a good quote. He said,

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Speaker 1: it's not an exaggeration to say that one picture, the

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Speaker 1: fifth in the air, shameful picture, is worth a million

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Speaker 1: dollars so he ran this test case. Let me try

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Speaker 1: doing the two thousand dollars checks and see how that

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Speaker 1: works out for me. It was, you know, challenging for

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Speaker 1: him within the party. He got no fundraising bump. Then

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Speaker 1: he does what he did on January sixth, and this

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Speaker 1: is massively successful for him. So ever since then, he's

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Speaker 1: decided like culture war all day long. This is who

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Speaker 1: I am. Let me just say woke a million times.

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Speaker 1: Let me hug Trump as closely as I possibly can,

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Speaker 1: because this is clearly the most effective path for me

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Speaker 1: to achieve my political ambition, which is ultimately what this

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Speaker 1: totally vapid and hollow person is all about. It's pathetic,

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Speaker 1: it's vapid, it's nonsubstantive. And there's one other thing I

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Speaker 1: really take issue with that he said there he called

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Speaker 1: out Biden's quote far left agenda, and this is something

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Speaker 1: that really annoys me because I am very, very, very

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Speaker 1: criticle of Biden. Some would even say unfair. I totally disagree.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I think I'm fair, But yeah, I'm very critical

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Speaker 1: of Biden. But you have to be honest about Biden's

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Speaker 1: record and who he is and what he's done and

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Speaker 1: what he stands for. This is a guy who supported

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Speaker 1: the Patriot Act in the Iraq War and NAFTA and

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Speaker 1: the crime bill and the bankruptcy bill. On no planet

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Speaker 1: is he far left? Yeah? And so you could say, hey,

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Speaker 1: he's a huge corporatist and he's a huge sellout, and

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Speaker 1: so here's why I don't like him for factual reasons.

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Speaker 1: But you can't just say he's quote far left and

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Speaker 1: use that to attack him. So that really gets under

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Speaker 1: my skin as well. Yeah, I agree. I mean this

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Speaker 1: is like the idea that Joe Biden is woke is hilarious, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just like this guy is got to

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Speaker 1: endless real thinkings away from making an ethnic slur at

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Speaker 1: any moment, right, I mean what you say about this,

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Speaker 1: he said about seven to eleven something like that. That's

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Speaker 1: always the Indian those things, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: The idea he's like some woke mob type of president

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Speaker 1: is so ridiculous. This is a dude that when when

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Speaker 1: activists were saying defund the police, he put out on

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Speaker 1: saying we're going to increase But the belief that was

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Speaker 1: his resons, So it doesn't land or fit at all.

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Speaker 1: And I think that I actually think that they kind

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Speaker 1: of know that it hasn't worked for them turning him

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Speaker 1: into this like woke, far left villain, but they're going

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Speaker 1: to keep trying because they don't really have anything else

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Speaker 1: to do. And look, we should also say in terms

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Speaker 1: of the political calculation coming into the midterms, because of

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Speaker 1: a couple things. Because Democrats have gotten bogged down in

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Speaker 1: this wanting to do this stupid bipartisan thing rather than

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Speaker 1: just actually executing and getting things done and delivered for

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Speaker 1: the American people, so they have tangible results in their hands.

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Speaker 1: So that and then you have, you know, a Republican

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Speaker 1: base that is really agitated and angry and fired up.

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Speaker 1: And the third factor is that Democrats knew that if

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Speaker 1: they were going to defy history and hold onto power

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Speaker 1: during the midterms, that they were going to have to

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Speaker 1: do redistricting reform. But they're not going to do it

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Speaker 1: because they don't want to get rid of the filibuster.

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Speaker 1: So they've essentially hamstrung themselves, and I think they're pretty

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Speaker 1: screwed in the midterms. Frankly, even though the Republicans are

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Speaker 1: absurd and silly and ridiculous and don't make a single

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Speaker 1: coherent argument about anything. Yes, the Republicans are all in

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Speaker 1: on the culture war and they're really repping those arguments,

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Speaker 1: and the Democrats are all in on let me not

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Speaker 1: brag about any of the good things I did, and

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Speaker 1: let me not push for very many other good things. Yea.

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Speaker 1: And so if you're not going to brag about the

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Speaker 1: good things you did, and you're not going to very

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Speaker 1: vocally push for other economic good things, well then you know,

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Speaker 1: the culture war argument can effectively win out because at

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Speaker 1: least they're offering something, whereas the Democrats are offering utter silence.

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Speaker 1: And the Democrats, we learned recently they are planning to

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Speaker 1: run as Joe Biden Democrats because Joe Biden has a

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Speaker 1: higher approval rating than Democrats in Congress, the Democrats in

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Speaker 1: the House, and Democrats in the Senate. But what they

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Speaker 1: don't realize is that Biden's dropped like ten points since

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Speaker 1: he's been in office. So like you're hugging a thinking ship.

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Speaker 1: That's a weird analogy, but yourself onto it that idea

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Speaker 1: to do that, though, yes, yeah it is, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: this will even though it's sad, even though it's pathetic. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: because the Democrats are really pathetic at you know, marketing

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Speaker 1: and making their arguments. Yes, it does have a chance

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Speaker 1: of working. And I just want to say, when I

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Speaker 1: think of woke Joe Biden, I giggle at the thought

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Speaker 1: of Joe Biden like dyeing his hair pink, being like,

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Speaker 1: my pronouns are z now, yeah, Like imagine that's what

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Speaker 1: it was. You said, woke Joe Biden. That's what I

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Speaker 1: think of Biden with pink hair. Yeah. I mean, actually,

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Speaker 1: one of the better qualities of Joe Biden is that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't bite off every single like culture war outrage.

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Speaker 1: That is one of the reasons why he won the primary,

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Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why he won the election.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why he's been as popular

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Speaker 1: as he has been able to maintain up to this point,

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Speaker 1: why he's way more popular than Kamala Harris, for example,

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Speaker 1: It is that is actually one of his better qualities.

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Speaker 1: And I just think you're gonna have a hard time

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Speaker 1: convincing the public that the problem with Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: that he's too woke. That one's just not going to

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Speaker 1: really land with folks. Hey, so remember how we told

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Speaker 1: the same time, we really want to get to some

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Speaker 1: of the details from this really shocking and disturbing report

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Speaker 1: from the UN about climate change. This is from the

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Speaker 1: UN's Climate Panel, it's called the Inner Governmental Panel on

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Speaker 1: Climate Change, and they're calling this a code red for humanity.

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Speaker 1: So to give you a few of the details from

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Speaker 1: the CNBC report, they are warning that limiting global warming

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Speaker 1: to one point five degrees celsius or even two degrees

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Speaker 1: celsius above pre industrial levels is going to be beyond

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Speaker 1: reach in the next two decades without immediate rapid and

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Speaker 1: large scale reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. Now one point

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Speaker 1: five degrees celsius, that is the sort of threshold that

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Speaker 1: scientists have long identified as a major tipping point beyond

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Speaker 1: which it becomes very difficult, beyond which you have irreversible

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Speaker 1: damage that continues for potentially centuries. And that is going

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Speaker 1: to make life very difficult for a lot of people

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Speaker 1: around the world and make some parts of the globe

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Speaker 1: frankly unlivable. So they're saying, basically, we're already effectively there.

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Speaker 1: And then at two degrees celsius of global warming, the

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Speaker 1: report says that heat extremes would often reach critical tolerance

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Speaker 1: thresholds for agriculture and health. Of course, this comes on

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Speaker 1: the heels of we've all been seeing, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: these fires everywhere around the world. You have the coldest

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Speaker 1: place on Earth that was on a fire. You've had droughts,

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Speaker 1: you've had we saw the flooding in Europe. Just this

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Speaker 1: complete cavalcade of extreme weather events, one after another after another.

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Speaker 1: That if that hasn't convinced you that we have to

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Speaker 1: do something, that we have to act now, even if

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Speaker 1: you you know, yeah, sure, China is part of the

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Speaker 1: problem too, but we also are a big part of

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Speaker 1: the problem here, and we have to be able to

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Speaker 1: do what we can that is within our control. So

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Speaker 1: I also read the New York Times summary had a

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Speaker 1: good summary of the report as well, and they said

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Speaker 1: that the world, this report finds, has already warmed about

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Speaker 1: one point one degree Celsius. It concludes that humans have

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Speaker 1: put so much carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into

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Speaker 1: the atmosphere, this warming will continue until at least mid century,

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Speaker 1: even if nations take immediate steps to act. So the

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Speaker 1: effects that we're seeing now, the droughts, the heat waves,

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Speaker 1: the catastrophic downforce and flooding, those are going to continue

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Speaker 1: to get worse for at least the next thirty years,

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Speaker 1: even if we act in an extreme way today. So

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Speaker 1: some of these things have taken on a life of

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Speaker 1: their own. Some other impacts will continue for even longer.

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Speaker 1: The ice sheets in Greenland and West Antarctica will continue

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Speaker 1: to melt at least through the end of the century,

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Speaker 1: and global sea levels will continue to rise for at

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Speaker 1: least two thousand years. So the report does not talk

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Speaker 1: about specifics in terms of what nations should do with

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Speaker 1: this information. However, there are two big takeaways. One, a

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Speaker 1: lot of damage is already done and in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways, you know, the terrible things we're going to see.

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Speaker 1: What we're seeing now are going to continue no matter

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Speaker 1: what action we can take. But that does not mean

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Speaker 1: that we should not take action. Because the report lays

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Speaker 1: out five different potential climate futures depending on how much

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Speaker 1: we're able to limit greenhouse gas emissions, carbon dioxide pollution

644
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Speaker 1: and keep that temperature range under control. It's the difference

645
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Speaker 1: between you know, vastwass of the planet being unrecognizable and

646
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: unlivable and being in a place where it's not great

647
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: no matter what we do. But we can manage and

648
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Speaker 1: potentially get through this in a way that doesn't destroy civilization.

649
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: So that's where we are. Yeah, absolutely devastating. The thing

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Speaker 1: that haunts me is that every single time we hear

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Speaker 1: from the scientists, they say, yeah, it looks like it's

652
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Speaker 1: worse than the worst case scenario that we thought, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: five years ago or ten years ago. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm no genius, but if every single time you revisit it,

655
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: it's worse than the worst case scenario, a bit of

656
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: a trend there, and that's something to really fear. Now,

657
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Speaker 1: do we have the video of the fire that we

658
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: wanted to show up. Yeah, yeah, let's take a look

659
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: at this, because this is really a podcast people fleeing

660
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: an island in Greece from wildfires that you can see

661
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: in the background. I mean it does. It just looks

662
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: absolutely apocalyptic and at the same time. Right now, the

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Speaker 1: Dixie Fire in northern California is that state's second largest

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Speaker 1: wildfire in history. The smoke from that is so intense

665
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: that it's reaching places, an impacting place as far away

666
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Speaker 1: as your home in New York City. So you know,

667
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: these fires, the droughts, the flooding, all of this, this

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00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: isn't one off. Oh, there are climate you know, things

669
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: happen in the weather, and the wildfires aren't new. I

670
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: get that a lot like, oh, there were never wildfires before.

671
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Speaker 1: What are you talking about. Well, these scientists are saying

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00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: the amount and the intensity of all of these things

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Speaker 1: would not be possible without climate change. And I was

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Speaker 1: just reading as well, Seattle, which normally has very temperate

675
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: and rainy, almost rainforest climate, are in for another triple

676
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Speaker 1: digit heat wave, unprecedent after they just had multiple other

677
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Speaker 1: record breaking heat waves. So this is the cycle that

678
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: we're in, and you know, the failure to act to

679
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: this point has already created devastating consequences. The best we

680
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: can do is keep it from getting even worse than

681
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: the track that we're already on. So to your point,

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Speaker 1: Seattle was a lot more like Phoenix there for a

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00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: while I think they hit one hundred and fifteen degrees.

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Speaker 1: It was so hot that some of the roads were buckling, Right, Yeah,

685
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people there don't even have air conditioning. Right,

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00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be one hundred degrees. I think

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Speaker 1: it's over fifty percent. That's what I read. It was

688
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: some freakishly high number that I couldn't believe. I mean, yes,

689
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: so it absolutely scary. People died as a result of it.

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Speaker 1: The thing you said about New York, Yeah, it was

691
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Speaker 1: a very strange experience because usually this time of year

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Speaker 1: in New York it's sunny all the time, and you know,

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Speaker 1: there was like four or five days there where it

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Speaker 1: was just it's not like anything I've ever seen, because

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00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: it clearly wasn't cloudy. It was just like really hazy.

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Speaker 1: And then come to find out, Yeah, this is the

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Speaker 1: smoke from the giant wildfires out west that made its

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Speaker 1: way all the way across the US and parked itself

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Speaker 1: over New York for days. And I was like, this

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00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: is crazy. I've never seen anything like this before. And

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Speaker 1: there's a few facts that I think are underreported which

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Speaker 1: really might help move the needle a little bit in

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Speaker 1: a climate change discussion. But I remember a few years

704
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Speaker 1: ago reading an article about how the Middle East at

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Speaker 1: some point is going to become un inhabitable. And that's

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Speaker 1: some point is actually rather soon, relatively speaking, by twenty

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Speaker 1: one hundred, it could be uninhabitable. And then guess what, guys,

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Speaker 1: when you have a Middle East that's uninhabitable, you're going

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Speaker 1: to have a giant immigration crisis the likes of which

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00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: we've never seen before. That you can't compare just this

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Speaker 1: area and the Iraq situation to this, it would be

712
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Speaker 1: far far worse than that. Yeah. And then of course

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Speaker 1: we've discussed the wet bulb temperatures before, where you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a temperature where it's uninhabitable for people to live

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Speaker 1: that involves not just the dry heat, but it's humid heat,

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Speaker 1: and that I remember being surprised that number was actually

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Speaker 1: lower than I thought. Wasn't it like eighty eight degrees

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Speaker 1: with humidity above ninety percent or something like that. Something

719
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, and so there are going to be

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Speaker 1: a number of places that basically uninhabitable. But I do

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00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: want to give everybody a little bit of hope, even

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Speaker 1: though it seems we sound really grim and pessimistic, because

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00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: there is a way to look at this that is positive.

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Speaker 1: And the way to look at this positive is take

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00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: the Great Depression for example. Really, ultimately FDR viewed that

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00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: as an opportunity, an opportunity to make the countrary, remake

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00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: the economy, get people to work, do something positive and

728
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Speaker 1: as terrible as climate change is, Yeah, if you do

729
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: a new new deal and you basically retool our economy

730
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Speaker 1: and go one hundred percent in the direction of renewable energy,

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Speaker 1: then you absolutely can have the inevitable patents for the

732
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Speaker 1: next generation. So this can be a giant boon to

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Speaker 1: America and American industry and working people. We just have

734
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Speaker 1: to dedicate ourselves to that path and really invest in

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00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: that path, and basically take lemons and turn them into lemonade.

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Speaker 1: Because if we could use this towards a brighter future,

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Speaker 1: towards people working, towards retooling our economy for positive ends, honestly,

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Speaker 1: then it really is an opportunity. And that's the only

739
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: silver lining I could think of. But if we don't

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00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: decide to go down that path, we're screwed. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's it, And that was the real innovation

742
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: of the framework of the Green New Deal first of all,

743
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: framing it in those New Deal terms and also leading

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Speaker 1: with job creation and making sure that you know, it's

745
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: not what the typical tension of like, oh, well, you're

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00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: going to fight climate change and I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: be able to feed my family. Sorry, I'm focusing on

748
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: my family and future generations. Good luck to you. Of course,

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Speaker 1: that's been you know, vilified, demonized, not just by Republicans

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Speaker 1: by the way, but actually I think Democrats have been

751
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: far more effective at demonizing Green New Deal and taking

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00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: that off the table than Republicans have been able to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a few things that I think. First

754
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Speaker 1: of all, it just makes it absolutely clear what complete

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00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: evil villains these fossil fuel companies have been that have

756
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: hide the science and light about the science and continue

757
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: to line off the skate and and try to convince

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Speaker 1: people that there's going to be this like miracle technological

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Speaker 1: solution that we'll be able to keep doing everything as

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00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: we are. We're just going to come up with this,

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00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, miracle technology that makes all these problems go

762
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: away so that we can keep making our profits the

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Speaker 1: way that we have been. And you guys don't have

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Speaker 1: to change your behavior and any of that. So that's

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Speaker 1: one piece. But the other thing to your point about,

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Speaker 1: you know, a sort of New Deal style or World

767
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: War two style mobilization, which is what we hear. The

768
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: rhetoric we hear from politicians all the time, including Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: is like, we got to have a World War two mobilization.

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Speaker 1: We got to act. I saw he tweeted something yesterday

771
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: like the world can't wait, We've got to act. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you are the most powerful person on the planet. And

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Speaker 1: the Gribella Institute actually tweeted this like, dude, you're the

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Speaker 1: president of the United States. You are the most powerful

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Speaker 1: man on the planet. If someone is not acting, that's

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Speaker 1: someone is you. And as we were discussing earlier, imagine

777
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: the insanity of saying and maybe actually believing this is

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Speaker 1: a red alert for humanity, we need a World War

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Speaker 1: two style mobilization and then being like, but if the

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Speaker 1: parliamentarian says no, well maybe next time. I mean, that's insane.

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Speaker 1: That is truly insane. But the unfortunate part of the

782
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: problem with climate change is it's not an issue that

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Speaker 1: our political system, or apparently any political system really, though

784
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: some countries do a lot better job than we do

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00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: is set up to handle well. Because when there's a

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00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: clear like a villain, or a clear and present danger

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Speaker 1: that's gonna you know, threatening life like tomorrow instantaneously, we

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00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: generally at least used to know how to get our

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00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: act together and mobilize and deal with that threat, whatever

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Speaker 1: the costs, and rearrange society and impose burdens on on

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00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: some people in order to be able to get that done.

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Speaker 1: But when it's this slow moving crisis where it's a

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Speaker 1: morphous and there's not one clear villain that you could

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00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: say that's the bad guy and let's all rally around

795
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: the flag and go out and get him, it's very

796
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: very difficult to get people to actually respond because everyone's

797
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: living in this denial of like, my family is ultimately

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00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. You know, everybody's living in this denial

799
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Speaker 1: of not really having the imagination to understand what, like

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00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: you said, with the potential massive migration flows and the

801
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: way that that could upend politics and create war and

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00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: catastrophe and I mean just the most like civilizational dire

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00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: consequences that you can possibly imagine. So that's why there's

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00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: just been and you couple that with like I said before,

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00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: the fossil fuel industry being the worst actors possible, and

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00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: plenty of politicians, all of the Republicans and plenty of

807
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: the Democrats as well, doing the bidding of those companies

808
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: at the expense of, you know, the best interests of

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00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: the country and the planet, and you end up with

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00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: the situation that we're in right now, where even in

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Speaker 1: the best of circumstances, if we act today, if we

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Speaker 1: implemented the entire Green New Deal today and like took

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00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: dramatic steps, there aren't even on the table now. With

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Speaker 1: what Joe Biden is saying, you still have at least

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Speaker 1: thirty more years of the type of events we've been

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00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: having getting worse and worse and worse. So a lot

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00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: to say about that. First of all, I do put

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the blame when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the issue of the Green New Deal. I actually do

820
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: put it on some of the people who crafted it,

821
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: because it should have been very targeted and specific and

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Speaker 1: focused as a new New Deal with an emphasis on

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00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: jobs programs. And those jobs programs really are in the

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Speaker 1: spirit of, and in the vein of, and in the

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00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: direction of green technology, renewable technology, reworking our energy grid,

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Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Yeah, unfortunately, it really did

827
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: become this grab bag of every single left wing idea

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Speaker 1: that you could think of that really had nothing to

829
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: do with the original idea of a green new deal

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00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: or a new new deal. So I do put some

831
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Speaker 1: of the blame on them, but really, I mean, just

832
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Speaker 1: go back to the drawing board and start pushing it

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Speaker 1: as what I'm talking about and what you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: and then yeah, maybe the conversation will change. But unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I do think they messed that up. You made a

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Speaker 1: good point. I do think that human nature, there's something

837
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Speaker 1: in human nature where we can't conceive of a threat

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00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: that long term, so everybody just defaults too. Well, I'm

839
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: okay now, and my family's going to be okay, and

840
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: so we're going to handle it. But since it's so

841
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: far out, it's like people feel like, ah, this isn't

842
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: all that tangible because we have all these more pressing issues,

843
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: and that's a flaw in human nature. I think it

844
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: really is. And then the final thing is, to your

845
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: point about big oil, I actually think it's worse than that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're like colossal immoral actors I actually

847
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Speaker 1: think big oil is a moral because the whole point

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Speaker 1: of being a corporation is that you're an a moral machine,

849
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: and all you're trying to do is maximize profits for

850
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: your shareholders. So what they end up doing is the

851
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: logical thing in the context of the current system, which

852
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: is by the entire Republican Party, by some of the Democrats,

853
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: enough of the Democrats, and all you have to do

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00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: in order to win this debate and this discussion on

855
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: climate change is raised out because as long as there's

856
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: some doubt, even if it's just five percent doubt, well

857
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: that five percent doubt is going to stop you from

858
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: acting and doing anything giant, which is what needs to

859
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: be done in order to address this. And so that's why,

860
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: and you could this is directly from the fossil fuel

861
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: industry themselves, with all like the pseudo intellectuals that they

862
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: buy or raised doubt on this stuff. And now they've

863
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: even gotten to the point where they've given up on

864
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: arguing the merits of it to say, oh, it's not real.

865
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: Then it became oh, climate change is real, but there's

866
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: nothing to do about it. And now it's just, well,

867
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: the procedures don't allow us to address it in any

868
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: serious substantive way. So the procedures are what they are,

869
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: the laws are what they are. What are we going

870
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: to do? So they keep moving the goalposts, but yeah,

871
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: hopefully you just hope that at some point there is

872
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: no more doubt and we can really act in a

873
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: serious way. Yeah. Their strategy now is to number one

874
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: back solutions that they know have zero chance of politically passing.

875
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: And again this all comes from this exonomobile lobbyists and

876
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: that conversation was incredibly revealing that was leaked from a

877
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: environmental activist group in the UK. Number one back solutions,

878
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: so you can cloak yourself and like, oh, of course

879
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: we care about climate change and the planet, et cetera,

880
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: et cetera. Solutions that you know are never going to happen,

881
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: and technologies that are like miracle you know, silver bullet

882
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: type technologies that like I was saying before, would just

883
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: allow you to continue to operate. But that's the sort

884
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: of thing also that forestalls action because if you put

885
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: that out there of like, oh, we're going to be

886
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: able to you know, have this thing and we're inventing

887
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: it right now as we speak, and we're putting all

888
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: kinds of money towards it. So don't worry, guys, it's

889
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: going to be good to go. That's another way of

890
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: forestalling action. The last piece I wanted to add to this,

891
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: just to show you the distance between the Biden administration's

892
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: rhetoric and what they're actually doing, is a great piece

893
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: from TNR talking about really laying out a framework that

894
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: I think is important, which fits into the conversation that

895
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: we're having that like, okay, not this point. Most people

896
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: accept the science is real, the climate is changing, and

897
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: this is a problem. The new form of denihalism is

898
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: basically throwing up all the roadblocks for why you can't

899
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: take action or creating you know, the most limited like

900
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: greenwashing action of all time in order to just sort

901
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: of like cloak yourself and yeah, we care and I'm

902
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: doing something about it, and we can move on to

903
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: the next issue if we can throw that tear sheet

904
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: up on the screen from the New Republic about Biden

905
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 1: and so what the Biden administration. One of the big

906
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: things that they've been focused on and emphasizing is a

907
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: move to electric vehicles, and at the core of their

908
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: climate agenda, and they write here this is Kate Aronov.

909
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: She writes, their thinking is that with the right inside

910
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: as the US can transform a historically important sector into

911
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: an engine of green job creation and decarbonization. All sounds great, right,

912
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: So what have they actually done in terms of sparking

913
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: this electric vehicle revolution, which, again on its own wouldn't

914
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: even be sufficient, but sure step in the right direction.

915
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: They announced they'd reached a non binding deal with the

916
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: country's biggest auto makers that half their new vehicles would

917
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: be electric plug in our hybrid by twenty thirty. That

918
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: target falls short of what the car companies themselves had

919
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: previously pledged. The funding for achieving the goal is next

920
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: to nothing. They're dramatically behind competitors like China for example.

921
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: That gets held down as like, ah, we can't really

922
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: do anything because China is terrible. So it just shows

923
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: you that for all of their language about taking this

924
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: seriously and how much they care, the thing that they

925
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: did on electric vehicles, the core of what they are

926
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: talking about with regards to climate is a non binding

927
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: pledge that the automakers themselves had already voluntarily pledged to

928
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: go beyond. So it's pathetic. That's all I can say

929
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: is it's pathetic. That deal is like Joe Biden and

930
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: the corporate Democrats summed up in a nutshell. It totally is. Yeah,

931
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: it totally is. But they'll go out and oh, we're

932
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: historic deal and never before in the history of the nation.

933
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: It's practically like FDR. And that's the reality of what

934
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: they're doing. Yeah, so your options are that deal or

935
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: somebody who's like, none of this is real bullshit. Yeah,

936
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean better than what Trump was doing. Trump is

937
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: actively like, let's ballute as much as possible, let's cut

938
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: down all the foest, let's drill everywhere we can. So

939
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: it's better, I guess. But it's just such a so

940
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: radically crazy, tall in kindergarten type stuff exactly. I mean radically.

941
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: And that's what this report spells out, is how radically

942
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: below where we need to be even the most ambitious

943
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: proposals of Biden administration are at this point. Said indeed,

944
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: interesting comments from AOC that we wanted to touch on. Yeah,

945
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: so let's jump into that. Alexandria Ocascio Cortes is doing

946
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: this new CNN show I think it's called Being AOC,

947
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: which is my cringey. It's the most cringed thing I've

948
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: ever heard in my life. It's got her fault, that's

949
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: Ann's fault, but it's cringe nonetheless. Yeah, but like you

950
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: have to know that CNN's ratings are abysmal and nobody

951
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: likes them. And like you have Chris Cuomo with the

952
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: thing going on with Andrew Cuomo, and you got Brian

953
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: Stelter like awkwardly pretending to go after them while covering

954
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: for them. They got all these terrible things going on.

955
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: And you know, this weird marriage made in an unpopular

956
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: heaven right now between AOC and CNN. It's just strange

957
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: being AOC, it sounds so narcissistic and self absorbent. So anyway,

958
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: for whatever reason she agreed to do it. I don't

959
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: know if she knew the name beforehand or not, but

960
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: being AOC, Dana, I think your name not Dana. Yeah,

961
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: Dana Bash interviewed her and she's going to say something

962
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: interesting here in regards to whether or not she's going

963
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: to primary Chuck Schumer? Are you going to challenge Senator

964
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: Schumer in a primary race? You know? I here's the

965
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: thing is that and I know it drives everybody nuts,

966
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: But the way that I really feel about this, and

967
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: the way that I really approach my politics and my

968
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: political career is that I do not look at things

969
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: and I do not set my course positionally. And I

970
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of people who do not believe that,

971
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: but I really I operate the way that I operate

972
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: and do the things that I do in politics while

973
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: trying to be aspiring to other things or calculating to

974
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: other things. And so all that is to say is

975
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: that I make decisions based on what I think are

976
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: people need and my community needs, and so I'm not

977
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: commenting on that. So the thing that annoys me about

978
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: this is if you're gonna be honest and upfront and

979
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: answered in a straightforward way, you have to start with

980
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: either yes, no, or I don't know. So you should

981
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: start with either yes, no, or I don't know, and

982
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: then you could give your answer. But she jumps right

983
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: into that answer, which I'm sorry, strikes me as like

984
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: the most political answer of all time, even though she's

985
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: trying to pretend like I'm nothing but a straight shooter

986
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: and I don't do politics. And that really frustrates me.

987
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: I hate not getting a direct answer from politicians that

988
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: was even close to a direct answer. And it's also

989
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: just really smug, because I think she really thinks that

990
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: she's like nailing it and giving a direct answer. She said,

991
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: I do not look at things and set my course positionally.

992
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: I can't operate the way I operate in politics while

993
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: trying to be aspiring to other things or calculating to

994
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: other things. I make decisions based on what I think

995
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: our people need. And the other thing that frustrates me

996
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: about that is, listen, I hate to beat a dead

997
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: horse and bring this up because even I'm sick of

998
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: the dialogue at this point on this particular issue. But

999
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: people were asking her, hey, can you do force the

1000
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: vote to try to force a vote on Medicare for all?

1001
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: Her response was no, because I want to keep my

1002
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: powder dry for forcing a vote on something we have

1003
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: a chance of winning, like the fifteen dollar minimum wage.

1004
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: And then the fifteen dollar minimum wage fight came up

1005
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: and she didn't fight, So don't tell me that you're

1006
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: doing I make decisions based on what I think our

1007
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: people need. That's not true. And then also there was

1008
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: the scandal recently where she was caught given a lot

1009
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: of money that she fundraised to these terrible corporate democrats.

1010
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yeah, they didn't even want the money out

1011
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: was the saddest thing, exactly, even the money because it

1012
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: was associated with her. So tell me again how you

1013
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: make decisions based on what you think our people need.

1014
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: If you're donating to these establishment corporate democrats who are hacks,

1015
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: then know what you're saying is I support them over

1016
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: any potential left wing challenger who may come up against them. Now,

1017
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: she still did the right thing on Nina Turner. She's

1018
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: done the right thing. She'd backed Bernie. So I don't

1019
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: want to make it seem like it's all terrible, because

1020
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be fair and that wouldn't be true. But no,

1021
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: I think you're immensely political, AOC. I think you're immensely political.

1022
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: And when she backed Bernie, I mean it was literally

1023
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: when he was in his hospital bed, and true it

1024
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: was at his lowest moment, and so a lot of

1025
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: credit for doing that. And we've seen the way that

1026
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: other politicians act. So I do think that's important out

1027
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: of the conversation. But you know, it's funny in her response,

1028
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: which I agree with you. It's sort of it's an

1029
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: interesting case study in the way that younger politicians speak

1030
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: in a typical politician kind of way, because there's different jargon.

1031
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: There's a kind of like fase vulnerability or you know,

1032
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: I'm confiding in you vul Yeah, I mean that's what

1033
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: it feels like, is I'm really gonna like pour my

1034
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: heart out here and use these sort of jargonny words

1035
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: like positional or whatever she said there. But ultimately the

1036
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: end state is the same as the typical politician dodge,

1037
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: which is that we don't really have any greater insight,

1038
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: and you took a lot of time and used a

1039
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: lot of words to basically say like we'll see you know.

1040
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: But I also think contained in this incident is a

1041
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: really important lesson about how much power she and others

1042
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: in the squad and other left wing members like Rocana,

1043
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: et cetera could have an exercise because even the fact

1044
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: that she's given these squishy, uncertain answers and left open

1045
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: the door to potentially primary Chuck Schumer appears to have

1046
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: had an impact on Chuck Schumer. And it shows, I mean,

1047
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: it shows the power of this was the reginal justice

1048
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: Democrats concept and idea of like if you have to

1049
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: worry about your left flank that's going to change how

1050
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: not only can we change the members of Congress and

1051
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: the people who are actually there, but it can also

1052
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: change the behavior of some of the members who were

1053
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: in Congress. Ed Marky's another good example of this. Since

1054
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: he got re elected from based on like a left

1055
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: wing coalition, some of his behavior in the Senate has

1056
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: actually gotten better because now that's his constituency. Those are

1057
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: the people who put him there, and so they have

1058
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: power with him. So with Schumer, the most notable thing,

1059
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: and we can put this tear sheet I think we

1060
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: have up on the screen here is he really made

1061
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: a big, a big and loud fuss with Elizabeth Warren

1062
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: about not just we don't need just need a student

1063
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: debt freeze, we actually need cancelation a fifty thousand dollars.

1064
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: And you know, that's a shift in position for him.

1065
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: That's significant that some one with as much power as

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Speaker 1: him is willing to be critical really here of the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration and call for them to do more. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe just theatrical because ultimately, what are you doing to

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Speaker 1: try to force that issue and get things done? But

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Speaker 1: even the fact of him making that case shows that

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of power that AOC and others could wield,

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Speaker 1: and even with these sort of squishy answers, has forced

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Speaker 1: his hand in certain ways. I think one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons why this annoys me so much is that when

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Speaker 1: I co founded Justice Democrats, my conception of it was

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Speaker 1: a left tea party effectively, and part and parcel of

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Speaker 1: that is like, I want you to make enemies of

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Speaker 1: the media. I want you to make enemies of Republican leadership.

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Speaker 1: I want you to make enemies of democratic leadership. And

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Speaker 1: to see what CNN is doing, it's like they're sort

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Speaker 1: of doing a puff piece on her, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I want you to understand and recognize any knowledge that

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00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: CNN and actually is the enemy because they do not

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Speaker 1: cover the serious stories that the American people need to hear.

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Speaker 1: They are taking a tremendous amount of money from every

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Speaker 1: special interest group you could think of, whether it's big

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Speaker 1: farmer or the health insurance companies. I mean even on

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Speaker 1: some of these networks they have like Lockheed Martin commercials

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Speaker 1: running on like the Sunday shows and stuff. And they're

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Speaker 1: not doing that because they're trying to sell anything. They're

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Speaker 1: doing that because they want to make sure that the

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Speaker 1: narrative doesn't go to anti war on some of the shows.

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Speaker 1: So corporate media is terrible. I mean, they're part of

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Speaker 1: the reason the nation is struggling as much as it is,

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Speaker 1: and for you to sort of get in bed with

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Speaker 1: them and get softball questions, it just reminds me of

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Speaker 1: how much the mission was lost. I didn't want you

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Speaker 1: to go work with Nancy Pelosi and try to play

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Speaker 1: the inside Machiavellian politics game, because she's always going to

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Speaker 1: win that game, because she's the master at that game.

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Speaker 1: The only authority and power you had was as an outsider,

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Speaker 1: where you have the bully pulpit. You have so many

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Speaker 1: more Twitter followers and regular people who support you. So

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Speaker 1: why not use your voice and use your power to

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Speaker 1: call out Nancy Pelosi, call out Democratic leadership, use the

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00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: bottom up approach of the outsiders are now storming the house.

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Speaker 1: No pun intended to compare to January sixth or anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's not that it's a puff piece. And now

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Speaker 1: CNN is warming to her, and she's warming to CNN,

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Speaker 1: and you know, obviously she's still trying to work with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi. This isn't me saying they never fight because

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Speaker 1: they actually to be fair to them. To AOC, but

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Speaker 1: more particularly Corey Bush, she fought and she won when

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Speaker 1: he came to the eviction moratorium when she was sleeping

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Speaker 1: on the Capitol steps. So they like, that's the thing

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Speaker 1: is they they have some hope, and they have there's

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Speaker 1: still glimmers of oh, this is good. But then when

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Speaker 1: I see this, I'm like, oh, this is so frustrating.

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Speaker 1: And she was asked if she would run for president,

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Speaker 1: and her answer was something along the lines of like, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say no because I don't want

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Speaker 1: little girls out there to not aim high. And it's

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Speaker 1: just if you come across like a smug, arrogant narcissist,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how many puff pieces they do on you,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get routed, even by Chuck Schumer and election.

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Speaker 1: And that's the saddest thing I could ever think of.

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Speaker 1: Imagine Chuck Schumer beating you in an election. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we saw those. I don't These numbers were a little

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Speaker 1: suspect to me. There were primary numbers that came out

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Speaker 1: in New York with regards to Cuomo and his downfall,

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Speaker 1: and AOC was one of the cannons that they tested

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Speaker 1: against him in a primary, and he smoked her and

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Speaker 1: everybody else, And I was like, yeah, it was it

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Speaker 1: was very grim. That was very grim numbers will look at.

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Speaker 1: But again they're very different from the other poll numbers

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Speaker 1: that we showed you yesterday. So I'm just gonna sort

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Speaker 1: of like wait for the pulling to settle in some

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Speaker 1: kind of direction on him, because these were polar opposite

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Speaker 1: of what we've seen before. But you know, I think

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Speaker 1: you're correct that, like you see these glimmers, not just

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Speaker 1: with Corey Bush and the eviction moratorium. So far, the

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Speaker 1: left has held a pretty strong line on reconciliation and

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Speaker 1: the infrastructure bill of like, we are not voting for

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Speaker 1: your infrastructure bill until we have the reconciliation deal. So

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00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: there's kind of a test going on right at this moment.

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Speaker 1: But I think he raised a really interesting point about

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Speaker 1: just the fact that CNN feels safe like doing this

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Speaker 1: whole series and this very like puffy, glossy interview. Just

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Speaker 1: not that Bernie's perfect either, but imagine him doing this.

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Speaker 1: He would never and if they if they did ask him,

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Speaker 1: and I could imagine them asking him because he's popular

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Speaker 1: and he rates well and all that stuff, but the

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Speaker 1: questions would not be these like friendly like let's just

1154
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: talk about you kind of a thing. And if they did,

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Speaker 1: you and I both interviewed Bernie, like anytime you try

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Speaker 1: to ask him anything personally, just gets pissed off because

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Speaker 1: he's like, this is not about me. Why are you

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Speaker 1: asking about me? Like, let's talk about people who need

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Speaker 1: better wages, let's talk about people who need unions. So

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Speaker 1: it's a very different stylistic approach, needless to say. And

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Speaker 1: I do think it says something that they feel so

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Speaker 1: comfortable with her, that she feels so comfortable with them,

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing adversarial there whatsoever. If Alexandria Ocascio Quartetz

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Speaker 1: only talked about universal health care, the Proact and pro

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Speaker 1: union ideas, fifteen dollars minimum wage, free college, eliminating student

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Speaker 1: loan debt, eliminating medical debt, go down the list of

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Speaker 1: all like the really substantive, important, serious issues, ending war.

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Speaker 1: If she only talked about those things, the media would

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Speaker 1: hate her. Democratic leadership would hate her. And we know

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Speaker 1: this because we have the case study of Bernie, Like

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Speaker 1: you said, for all those years, Yes he's a curmudgeonly

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Speaker 1: old guy, and that also leads them to not like him.

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Speaker 1: But also it is the fact that he's so substantive

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Speaker 1: and he thinks the whole system is bullshit. If AOC

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Speaker 1: was exactly like that, there wouldn't be a CNN puff piece.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I do think I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be an asshole, but I do think she does lean

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01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: too much into the identity stuff and that makes them

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Speaker 1: feel more comfortable with her. And I just that wasn't

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Speaker 1: the original idea of going there. The original idea of

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01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: going there was to raise hell and be a left

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01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: he party. And like I said, it's not all bad,

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: it's not all wrong. They did fight on the eviction

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01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: moratory and they are fighting on the infrastructure deal, and

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Speaker 1: I genuinely hope they continue doing that, and if they

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01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: do that, I'll continue doing positive reinforcement. But this stuff

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: is like, this is a good way to get everybody

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01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: to turn on you, because like I said, CNN really

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01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: is not liked, and a puff piece from the not

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Speaker 1: liked people doesn't make you more liked. Well, let me

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01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: say this, and this is a little more brutal than

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Speaker 1: I actually intend, but this style of politics turns you

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Speaker 1: basically into Kamala Harris, because it becomes like it's about you,

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: it's about the voters as a vessel for fulfilling your

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01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: story and your personal journey, rather than about those core issues.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, that's too harsh, like because as

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Speaker 1: you're pointing out, she's good on the issues. She was

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Speaker 1: there with Corey the eviction moratorium. She will sometimes criticize

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Speaker 1: occasionally in fleeting instances democratic leadership. Hopefully they're going to

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01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: hold the line on the reconciliation package, but that's the

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01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: direction of those type of politics where you know, it's

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01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: about who you are and your lived experience rather than

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Speaker 1: I'm going to relentlessly focus on delivering for working class people. Right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's all I have to say about it. Yes, indeed, Okay,

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01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: this is pretty interesting, and this is something you and

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Speaker 1: I have been debating off air that we wanted to

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Speaker 1: kind of flesh down here, and I think both of

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Speaker 1: us are a little bit like not totally clear on

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Speaker 1: what our positions are. But the US military just announced

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Speaker 1: that they are going to require all servicemen and women

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Speaker 1: to get the COVID vaccine by the fall. I think

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Speaker 1: September fifteenth is the date we can throw that tear

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Speaker 1: sheet up on the screen showing that announcement. Yes, Pentagon

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Speaker 1: will seek mandate for vaccination of all active duty military

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Speaker 1: personnel by mid September. And let me just set this

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01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: up a little bit and then we can talk about

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Speaker 1: what we think about it. So Mark Milly, General Mark Millie,

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Speaker 1: who's chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He sent

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Speaker 1: out a letter arguing most of his argument was that

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Speaker 1: getting vaccinated against COVID nineteen is a key force protection

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01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: and readiness issue, I mean, which I think makes sense right,

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01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: saying basically like, look, we need our soldiers to be

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Speaker 1: fit and for them to be well and not be

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Speaker 1: stricken with this incredibly infectious disease. So yeah, we're going

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Speaker 1: to add this to the list of inoculations that our

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Speaker 1: service members must ultimately get. We've also got some numbers

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Speaker 1: about how much of how many of the active duty

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Speaker 1: troops are already vaccinated. It's seventy percent. I think we

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Speaker 1: have a tear sheet for this as well. From I

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Speaker 1: think Military Times, seventy percent of active duty troops have

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Speaker 1: received at least one shot of a COVID nineteen vaccine.

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Speaker 1: That's actually way behind their original goal. They were hoping

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Speaker 1: that the whole force would be vaccinated by mid July.

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Speaker 1: So they're at seventy percent with one dose, and I

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Speaker 1: think the number is something like, yeah, so it's just

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Speaker 1: below that, right, Yeah, it's about I had the number

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Speaker 1: here anyway, it's somewhere around fifty percent that have gotten

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Speaker 1: both doses and are fully vaccinated. So that's where things

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Speaker 1: ultimately stand. The President, of course put out a statement

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Speaker 1: in support of this decision and saying, you know, echoing

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Speaker 1: some of those arguments about how this is important, it's safe,

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Speaker 1: We're going to add this to a list of required vaccinations,

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Speaker 1: and that we are still on a wartime footing. It

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Speaker 1: says in every American who's eligible should take immediate steps

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Speaker 1: to get vaccinated. Proud that our military women and men

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Speaker 1: will continue to help lead the charge in the fight

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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: against the pandemic, as they often do by setting the

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Speaker 1: example of keeping their fellow Americans safe. So, Kyle Klinsky,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of all of this? So I

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01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: actually am overall very split on it, but it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a weird kind of split, if I don't say

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01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: so myself, because I feel like there's two separate questions

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Speaker 1: that are going on here. One of the questions is

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Speaker 1: would this empirically have better outcomes? Would this lead to

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Speaker 1: better outcomes? On that point, I don't think this is arguable.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is debatable. I think you'd have

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Speaker 1: to deny all the data and all the evidence in

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Speaker 1: order to say the opposite. It would be phenomenal for

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Speaker 1: whoever you know is under a mandatory vaccine, because you again,

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Speaker 1: I don't to even run through this at this point

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Speaker 1: seem silly, but apparently we have to. In the original

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Speaker 1: trials for all the vaccines, whichever whether it's Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer, Maderna, AstraZeneca,

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Speaker 1: the one that was overseas from the UK, in the

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Speaker 1: trials for all of them, not a single person was

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Speaker 1: hospitalized or died from COVID. Not a single person. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And obviously, by the way, there's a lot of bs

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Speaker 1: on this in the media where they say like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this one's only sixty six percent effective. That number is

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Speaker 1: complete horseshit, because the numbers that really matter are are

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Speaker 1: you protected against hospitalization, severe illness, and death? And when

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Speaker 1: you look at those numbers, every vaccine is over ninety

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Speaker 1: five percent. Yes, So when they say sixty six percent.

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Speaker 1: That just means sixty six percent to keep you from

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Speaker 1: getting COVID. But a lot of those people who get

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Speaker 1: COVID after they have the vaccine, they have like the

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Speaker 1: sniffles or they're asymptomatic, and so they count that against

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Speaker 1: the vaccine, which I think is psychotic because obviously the

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Speaker 1: vaccine is working. If you have the sniffles, have to

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Speaker 1: get the vaccine one otherwise maybe would have been moderately sick,

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Speaker 1: maybe you would have been hospitalized, who knows. So I

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Speaker 1: think the data is overwhelming. We know that it was

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Speaker 1: literally one hundred percent of people who died in Maryland

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Speaker 1: two months ago were unvaccinated, So this really is a

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Speaker 1: pandemic of the unvaccinated. At this point, again, you could

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Speaker 1: try to I'm not saying you will, but people who

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Speaker 1: are listening you could try to disagree or try to debate.

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Speaker 1: You're just wrong. The data is over so empirically, whoever

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Speaker 1: does a mandatory vaccine it would have better health outcomes.

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Speaker 1: So my issue is not with that. Where where questions

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Speaker 1: arise in my mind is here there's a problem with

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Speaker 1: the principle of mandating the vaccine because our institutions are

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Speaker 1: phenomenally disliked and untrusted, and you know what they fucking

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Speaker 1: earned that they earned it, whether it's all like the

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Speaker 1: illegal Iraq war that we were lied into, or Fauci

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Speaker 1: early on basically lying saying masks don't work. And then

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, when I said that, what I really

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Speaker 1: meant was I don't want people to go out and

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Speaker 1: buy them now because we need them for the frontline workers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you fucking lied, you're making make you fucking lied,

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Speaker 1: and so people don't like our institutions for good reason.

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Speaker 1: So for them to say, these same assholes who've been

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Speaker 1: lying to me all along are now going to tell

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Speaker 1: me to do some shit for my own well being

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Speaker 1: and force something into my body. Hell the fuck no.

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Speaker 1: And so I hear that, and I'm like, yeah, me

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Speaker 1: got a point. Now. This just so happens to be

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Speaker 1: an in sin where it's like, yeah, I know they've

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Speaker 1: been wrong a thousand times, and I know you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: trust them, and you shouldn't and you should be skeptical,

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Speaker 1: but this is a rare instance where they're actually one

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Speaker 1: hundredercent correct that this would help you. So you should

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Speaker 1: probably go get vaccinated. So That's why I struggle with it,

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Speaker 1: because empirically it would it would work, but in principle,

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Speaker 1: I really do have an issue with it. So right now,

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Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm loose on this position, but

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Speaker 1: right now I do feel like the best path is

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Speaker 1: sort of this middle path that we're already on, where

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Speaker 1: it's like the government is not mandating everybody get a vaccine. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: but you do have these different institutions in society. So

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Speaker 1: like maybe the business you work for says, hey, in

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Speaker 1: order to work here, you have to have it, or

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Speaker 1: in order to work in the office you have to

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Speaker 1: have it. When you, you know, put your kids in school,

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Speaker 1: they have mandatory vaccines. In order to go to the school,

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Speaker 1: you have to get the vaccine. Now that you still

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Speaker 1: have the option, I'm at home school because I don't

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Speaker 1: want them to get in the vaccine. Okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 1: So you have a way out of it. Have religious exemptions,

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Speaker 1: religious exemption, medical exemption. But by the way, things like that,

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Speaker 1: I would say, if there is a religious exemption, then

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Speaker 1: there should be any ideological exemption, because if you're saying

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Speaker 1: because of my religion, I want to take it, that's

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Speaker 1: no different from saying my political ideology makes me not

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Speaker 1: want to take it. So if you're going to exempt that,

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Speaker 1: you should just exempt everybody. But that's sort of my point.

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Speaker 1: Is this middle path, I actually think is the least

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Speaker 1: bad option of all bad options, because it's like you

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Speaker 1: actually cannot take it, but number one you should, and

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Speaker 1: number two, it's like almost like a weak mandate where

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Speaker 1: there's a million ways out of it, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. I do. I think that both of us

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Speaker 1: feel like we have a couple of principles that we

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Speaker 1: hold that are in competition exactly on this, because I

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Speaker 1: do think I'm not some like, you know, fringe libertarian

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Speaker 1: who thinks you're only responsible for yourself and you have

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Speaker 1: no responsibility to anyone else. I believe in, you know,

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Speaker 1: communitarian principles. I believe in responsibility not only for yourself

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Speaker 1: but your community and taking care of those around you,

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Speaker 1: and that we exist together in a society and that

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Speaker 1: comes with certain rights and certain responsibilities. So I believe that.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, I also get very nervous, and

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Speaker 1: I get nervous not just about a government mandate about

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Speaker 1: what you have to put into your body and what

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Speaker 1: sort of medical care and information they're gonna claim and

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Speaker 1: force upon you. But I also get equally probably nervous

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Speaker 1: about corporations taking that stance and empowering, like your HR

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Speaker 1: Department is now going to be dictating to you what

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Speaker 1: you need to do medically. I don't really like that either.

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Speaker 1: So I also feel kind of like I have these

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Speaker 1: principles that are butting up against each other on these

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Speaker 1: individual things. And so I think I've looked at this

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Speaker 1: on sort of a case by case basis rather than

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Speaker 1: a blanket view one way or the other, like yes

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Speaker 1: to vaccine mandates or no to vaccine mandates. I'll say

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Speaker 1: specifically with regards to the military, For me, this one

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Speaker 1: is pretty clear because if you voluntearily, voluntarily decided to

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Speaker 1: join the military, you have already said like basically, I'm

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Speaker 1: given my body the US federal government, and you have

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Speaker 1: you know, you're there with your brothers and sisters, who

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to be like not only looking out for yourself,

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Speaker 1: but looking out for them. You may be stationed in

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Speaker 1: places around the world where people don't have access to

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Speaker 1: the vaccine, so you're then, you know, not only endangering yourself,

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Speaker 1: but you're endangering people around you in this country at

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Speaker 1: this point, if you want to get a vaccine, you

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Speaker 1: can get a vaccine. That is not the case in

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Speaker 1: most places around the world. So you're endangering people who

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Speaker 1: have no option to be able to protect themselves. So

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Speaker 1: on the military, I do think it's clear, as as

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Speaker 1: we both pointed out, they're already required to get certain inoculations. Actually,

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Speaker 1: there's an interesting piece in time that lays out a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the history here. Apparently George Washington in

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Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War required all of the soldier an American

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Speaker 1: revolution to get these small packs in oculation because smallpox

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Speaker 1: was killing more of the troops than we're dying in battle.

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Speaker 1: So this is literally there's a tradition in a grounding

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Speaker 1: that goes literally back to the founding of the country

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Speaker 1: of requiring certain vaccinations and obviously certain medical status, certain

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Speaker 1: physical fitness status of the troops. I think in line

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Speaker 1: with that, this makes all the sense in the world.

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Speaker 1: I also think on things like if you're a nurse

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Speaker 1: in a nursing home, Yeah, you've signed up for this job,

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Speaker 1: like your job is to care for people, to protect yourself,

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Speaker 1: but to protect the people that are around you, especially

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Speaker 1: if you're in that setting, then you're going to have

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who are probably more vulnerable where

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Speaker 1: even if they are vaccinated, they may have those rare

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Speaker 1: instances of the breakthrough cases that can ultimately be serious,

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Speaker 1: or they may be in a position where they're compromised

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Speaker 1: enough where it's risky for them even to get the vaccine,

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Speaker 1: and there were some questions about that. So in those

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Speaker 1: cases as well, I start to get into just like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big giant corporation and I want

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Speaker 1: to force my workers back into the office, and so

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Speaker 1: I'm going to mandate this bad Then I start to

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Speaker 1: get like, yeah, I don't know, I'm if I'm down

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Speaker 1: with that. I'm not. I don't know if I'm comfortable

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Speaker 1: with handing that sort of increasing power not just to

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Speaker 1: the government but to these HR departments. So I continue

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Speaker 1: to be kind of split in case by case basis

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Speaker 1: on these things. Yeah, so let me interject, because I

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Speaker 1: feel like you are sort of flipping on that principle though,

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Speaker 1: because if you're saying, well, for the nursing home you

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Speaker 1: can be forced to take it, and for the military

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Speaker 1: you can be forced to take it. Well, then that

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Speaker 1: is sort of the same thing in principle saying whatever

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Speaker 1: company you work for should be able to force you

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Speaker 1: to take it. It's like to say only specific companies

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Speaker 1: can force them because those are higher risk. I get it,

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Speaker 1: but it's still the same thing in principle that you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you're even more split than

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Speaker 1: I am on this. It sounds like because you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the largely middle path that we've taken is

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Speaker 1: the correct middle path. But let me just give it everybody.

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Speaker 1: So the biggest things I keep coming back to in

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Speaker 1: my own mind that are the most damning points on

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Speaker 1: both sides of this. H So you already have mandatory

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Speaker 1: vaccines for like measles and smallpox and polio and a

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Speaker 1: bunch of other things for the military, right, so they

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Speaker 1: already have those mandatory vaccines. And the people who are

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Speaker 1: flipping out over mandating the COVID vaccine if they haven't

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Speaker 1: said anything about like, well, you should also stop making

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Speaker 1: us take the measles of it, smallpox and polio one.

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Speaker 1: So it's like your issues only with the COVID one

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01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: or are you actually like against vaccines across the board.

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Speaker 1: So that's weird to me. I feel like if we

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Speaker 1: already have it for those other ones, is it really

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Speaker 1: that crazy to just add another one to the list.

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Speaker 1: And also, I would say, guys, there's a reason why

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump got this shit asap, there's a reason why

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01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 1: Joe Biden got it. There's a reason why the elites

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01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: lined up down the block immediately to get it, And

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Speaker 1: there's a reason why the rather poor countries. Is terrible

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Speaker 1: to say, but it's true the poor countries haven't really

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Speaker 1: had access to it yet. So there's a direct correlation

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Speaker 1: here between like were well off and can get it

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01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: and end up getting it, and they do that because

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Speaker 1: it works. But I digress From that point. The fact

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Speaker 1: that it's already mandatory for certain things leads me to

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: think like is this really that much different? But on

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Speaker 1: the flip side of it, the Tuskegee experiments, I know,

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Speaker 1: you know, and Osama bin Laden. When they went to

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Speaker 1: get Osama bin Laden, the US set up I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it was the CIA or the US military,

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01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: but they set up a fake vaccination program and now

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01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: the vaccine hesitancy in Pakistan is through the roof because

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01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: they know, hey, last time they said we were getting vaccines,

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01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: it was just this fake you know, employd a track

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: dance to try to get Osama bin lad. So they

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01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: were lied to and it undermined public health. So again,

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Speaker 1: the institutions have abused their power a million times. You

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01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't trust them, you know it. I can't say it enough.

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01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: You should be not just skeptical, but cynical about these people.

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Speaker 1: So on the one hand, yeah, they shouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, it's like, this is

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Speaker 1: an instance where it would work and it would help you.

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Speaker 1: So it's hard. Yeah, and here's a Tuskegi is important

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Speaker 1: to bring up, and it's very real in this dynamic

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Speaker 1: because while the media has only focused on basically like

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Speaker 1: white Republicans usually men, young men who don't want to

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Speaker 1: get vaccinated, if you look on a if you look

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Speaker 1: by race, the people who are most hesitant are actually

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Speaker 1: black Americans. I wonder why, and so right, and so

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Speaker 1: some of the neighborhoods that had the lowest vaccination rates

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Speaker 1: are actually overwhelmingly minority urban neighborhoods exactly because of Tuskegee

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Speaker 1: and you know, a million other instances of racism and

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Speaker 1: bad interactions with the American healthcare system. I also saw

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Speaker 1: and I think this is very relevant to this whole

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Speaker 1: conversation as well, that there's a significant chunk of people

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Speaker 1: who aren't getting vaccinated because they're afraid that they are

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Speaker 1: going to get charged because every other interaction that they've

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Speaker 1: had with the American healthcare system, even when they go

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Speaker 1: in and there, it's like, oh, this is something I

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Speaker 1: have to do and it's supposedly going to be free

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: or I'm supposedly covered or whatever, and you come home

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01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: with a gigantic bill. So again, in this instance, that's

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01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: not correct. In this instance, even though even here there

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: have been some un scrupulous providers who have tried to

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Speaker 1: charge people for the vaccine that should be free, but

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01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 1: it is actually free, but you've got a sizeable trunk.

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01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: That's like, I don't believe you, and I can't really

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01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: blame them for that. So one other thing that should

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01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: be interjected into this conversation is like, mostly liberals are

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01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: very confident in their position that there should be vaccine mandates.

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01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 1: Everybody should be mandated to get a vaccine at your workplace,

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Speaker 1: through the government, through the military, Like wherever you are,

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01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: you should be under a vaccine mandate. Just keep in

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01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: mind that you are talking about a policy that will

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01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: disproportionately impact black and brown people. That is the reality

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Speaker 1: of the numbers. And yes, ideologically, if you look, it

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01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: is conservatives who tend to have the more hardline position

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01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 1: on these things. And there are plenty of like white

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01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: Republican men who you know, are happy to demonize and

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01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: you're totally comfortable force them to do whatever. But if

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about barring people from workplaces and restaurants and

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01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: public venues based on vaccination status, you are talking about

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01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: a policy that disproportionately impacts black and brown people. And

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01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't hear anyone in the media really wanting to

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01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,879
Speaker 1: address that because it's much easier to hold the position

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01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: if you're just talking about forcing a group of people

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: that you don't like already and that is essentially like

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01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: foreign to most of your viewing or listening audience to

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01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: do something. Yeah, and also, I mean, the numbers are

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Speaker 1: what they are, as you just lay out. But also

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, anecdotally, I know a zillion lefties who

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01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: are just because they're so anti big pharma for good reason. Yeah,

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01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: that makes them then skeptical of the vaccine and so

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01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: they don't want to take the vaccine, and that's a

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01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: real phenomenon. And again, you know, all I would say

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01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: is both things can be that's true. A big pharmas

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01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: they're some of the worst in the country, and they've

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01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: totally bought the government and they want to keep those

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01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: prices high and they want to price gouge you. And

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01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: there's been a million examples of the unscrupulous stuff like

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01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: they'll try to get things that get approved through the FDA,

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01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: but come to find out the thing doesn't work. But

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01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: they basically bought off the FDA. There's all that stuff.

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01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: That's all that's totally real. That's it right now with

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01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 1: the boosters trying to exactly that's exactly right. They arguing

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01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: that to get the boosters. Yeah wow, you guys must

1531
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: really like listening to our voices. Well, I know this

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01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 1: is annoying instead of making you listen to a Viagra commercial.

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Speaker 1: When you're done, check out the other podcast I do

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Speaker 1: with Marshal Kassoff called The Realignment. We talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about the deeper issues that are changing, realigning in American society.

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Speaker 1: You always need more Crystal and Zag in your daily lives.

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Speaker 1: Take care, guys, hell for your breaking points today. What

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01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: are you looking at? A new study from the Commonwealth

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01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: Fund ranked the US dead last on the issue of

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01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: healthcare in the developed world. The report analyzed seventy one

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01:19:55,400 --> 01:20:00,759
Speaker 1: healthcare performance measures under five categories. It includes access to care, process,

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01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: administrative efficiency, equity, and health care outcomes. Eleven countries were ranked, Australia, Canada, France, Germany,

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Speaker 1: the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom

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01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: and the US. This was done by the Organization for

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01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: Economic Cooperation and Development at the who SO. Norway, the Netherlands,

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01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: and Australia were the top performing countries overall. Again, the

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01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: United States came in dead last. The US ranked last

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Speaker 1: on the issue of access to care, administrative efficiency, equity,

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01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: and healthcare outcomes. Despite the fact that we spend seventeen

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01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: percent of GDP on healthcare, roughly double what other countries spend,

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01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,480
Speaker 1: we only did well in these areas. Here, rates of mimography,

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01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: screening and flu vaccination for older adults, as well as

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01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: the percentage of adults who talked with their physician about nutrition, smoking,

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01:20:56,439 --> 01:21:00,879
Speaker 1: and alcohol use, those were the only categories. Fifty percent

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01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: of lower income Americans said that cost prevented them from

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01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: receiving care. That would be zero percent in every other

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01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: developed country. Twenty five percent of high income Americans said

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01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's really an astounding fact if you

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01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: think about it. We also had the highest infant mortality

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Speaker 1: rate and the lowest life expectancy. The US has been

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Speaker 1: in last place. Get this for all seven studies the

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Speaker 1: Commonwealth Fund has done on healthcare systems that they've released

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01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: since two thousand and four. There's a devastating quote from

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Speaker 1: one of the people involved in this study. He said,

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01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: if healthcare were an Olympic sport, the US might not

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01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: qualify in a complar high income nations. So do you

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01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: get that. It's not that maybe we have a shot

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01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,799
Speaker 1: at the bronze or the silver, the gold. We wouldn't

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01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:56,799
Speaker 1: even qualify. One study has claimed that sixty two percent

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01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: of bankruptcies in the US were caused by medical issue.

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01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: Yet again, this is not a category that exists in

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01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: other developed countries. They have no medical bankruptcies. In the US.

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01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,759
Speaker 1: We have up to five hundred thousand medical bankruptcies every

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01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: single year. Now beyond that, the Political Economy Research Institute

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01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: at the University of Massachusetts Amherst found that single payer

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01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: healthcare would save the US five point one trillion dollars

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01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 1: over a decade. That's right, So single payer medicare for

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01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: all system would save five point one trillion over a decade.

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01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: That's hard to wrap your mind around. But really, when

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01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: you get rid of the price gougeting middlemen, of course

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01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: you're going to save money. I haven't seen a single

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01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: segment about this on CNN, MSNBC or Fox News. And

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01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: in a world that made sense, this would be a

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01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: giant scandal, and it would be a scandal that they

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01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: talk about for at least a week straight. Giant study

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01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: we know is credible, and yet again we're dead last

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01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: on this issue. Nobody's talking about it. The Democrats aren't

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01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: talking about it. Joe Biden isn't even pushing for a

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01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: public option never mind medicare for all. And the America First,

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01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: people who want to make us number one on the

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01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 1: right haven't said anything about it either. So where is

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01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: the hair on fire coverage? Well, you're not getting it,

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01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 1: and you're not getting it because the media is broken.

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01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: The reality is this is because a bunch of mediocre

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01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: morons are hired on those networks. I don't think Wolf

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01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: Blitcher is all that profound, and honestly, the networks are

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01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: swimming in cash from health insurance companies and big pharma,

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01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: and so the corruption prevents them from talking about this

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01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: issue and so you have to turn to shows like

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01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: this for it. Now. I wish they would talk about it.

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01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't just us, But we're the only

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01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: ones talking about it. And really, Crystal, this is something

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01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: that's heartbreaking to me. I don't understand. I don't understand

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01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: for the life of me. Even though there are these

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01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: institutional factors and there's the money angle and there's the

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01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: fact that they're not that bright, I don't understand why

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01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: this is the case. And it's hard when you realize

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01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: we're the only ones that are doing this. And that's

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01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: not just one more thing, I promise. Just wanted to

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Speaker 1: make sure you knew about my podcast with Kyle Kolinski.

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Speaker 1: It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where we do long

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Speaker 1: form interviews with people like Noam Chomsky, Cornell West, and

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Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any podcast platform, or

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01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: you can subscribe over on substack to get the video

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01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 1: a day early. We're going to stop bugging you now

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Speaker 1: enjoy crystal. What are you looking at today? Well relevant

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 1: to this conversation, The New York Times being called out

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01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: by experts for spreading COVID misinformation thanks to a fear

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01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: mongering article about kids and so called long COVID. So

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01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: here you can take a look at that piece. The

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01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: headline says, this is really scary kids struggle with long COVID.

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01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: In that the Times profile several teenagers who struggled with

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01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: a range of physical and emotional symptoms after contracting coronavirus.

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01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 1: Those symptoms include everything from mental health issue use to

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01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: dizziness to vomiting, fatigue, brain FuG Now, outside of these

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01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: anecdotes experiences which have no doubt been stressful and scary

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01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: for the teens and for their families, the peace offers

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01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: very little data or hard science about the prevalence of

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01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: such symptoms, and no data whatsoever about the prevalence of

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01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: the type of severe symptoms that are described in the piece.

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01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: It also offers no insight into how a respiratory virus

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01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: might end up, for example, noticeably impacting your brain, as

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01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 1: is alleged in the piece. So as doctor researcher and

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01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: Harvard Med School Assistant Professor Adam Gaffney put in an

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01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: important thread on Twitter, quote, I support dramatic public health

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01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 1: interventions in hard hit areas to slow COVID and by

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01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 1: time to vaccinate everyone possible, but I strongly dislike this

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01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 1: irresponsible mode of reporting, which will scare the shit out

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01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: of every parent with a kid with a cold. The

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01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: hypothesis that a mild upper respiratory tract infection, even if

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01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,839
Speaker 1: caused by a new virus, causes a chronic dementing illness

1642
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: in children is a sweeping, massive, frightening claim. It is

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01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: unlikely to my mind, given what we know about mild

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01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 1: upper respiratory tract infections, but like all things, it's possible.

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01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,959
Speaker 1: Yet it is an extraordinary claim and requires robust evidence,

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01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: which is thus far lacking. Our mantra that correlation does

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01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 1: not equal causation goes out the window on this particular topic. Indeed, honestly,

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Speaker 1: how is this article any different from some right wing

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01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,480
Speaker 1: propaganda's cherry picking a few instances of a bad vaccine

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01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: reaction to attempt to prove that vaccines are in fact dangerous.

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01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: It is literally the exact same tactic. Find a few

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01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: scary cases, presume a direct causal link that you don't

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01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,839
Speaker 1: know about, say the studies are unclear, paint a worst

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01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 1: case scenario tailor made by the Way to play into

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01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: your audience's particular biases and cultural predilections. But when it's

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01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: done by The New York Times, it's actually a lot

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01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: worse than some Facebook meme because you're spreading misinformation under

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01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: the imprimature of the most powerful and prestigious newspaper in

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01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: the whole world. Conveniently left out of the time scare

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01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: mongering story is the fact that one comprehensive survey which

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Speaker 1: actually tested the blood of those who were claiming long

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01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: haul COVID symptoms, it actually found no difference in symptoms

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01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: between those who actually had COVID antibodies and those who

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01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 1: did not. So, in other words, a lot of people

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01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: thought that they'd had COVID, but they didn't actually have COVID,

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01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: And just as many of those people who never actually

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01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 1: had COVID reported long haul COVID symptoms as the people

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01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: who did actually have COVID. And it makes sense if

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01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: you think about it, because there are a lot of

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01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: reasons that someone might suffer the wide ranging symptoms being

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01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: described by the catch all phrase long haul COVID. That

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01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean long haul COVID is definitely fake or debunked

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01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: or anything like that, just that it is a very

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01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: long way from the proven condition that The New York

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01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: Times is painting it as here. Now you might say, oh, okay, well,

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01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 1: what's the harm really those right wing propagandas they are

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01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 1: putting people at traumatic risk by persuading them to not

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01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. The Times, on the other hand, they're airing

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01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: on the side of caution, which isn't a bad thing

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01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: during a pandemic with a virus that we are still

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01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: learning a lot about. Inherent in this argument is the

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01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: idea that such caution is always a good thing, that

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01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't do any harm. That is just simply not

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01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: the case. It's just that the burdens of an abundance

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01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: of caution tend to fall on the least well off

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01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: and not say the Times very well off reader base

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01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: for example. In fact, the Times should be well aware

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01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: of the cost of an overabundance of caution, because they

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01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: just published stunning new data on what a disaster virtual

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Speaker 1: school was for millions of kids. Specifically, they found that

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Speaker 1: more than a million children expected to enroll in public

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Speaker 1: schools just never showed up. The plurality of those missing

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Speaker 1: kids were kindergarteners who, for whatever reason, were never enrolled

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Speaker 1: and never ever showed up to school. They found that

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Speaker 1: in the thirty three states where comprehensive data is available,

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Speaker 1: ten thousand public schools lost at least twenty percent of

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Speaker 1: their income in kindergarten class. One can only imagine the

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01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: lifelong calamity that might ensue from this lost year among

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Speaker 1: our most vulnerable kids. Predictably, of course, schools in poor

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01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: neighborhoods experienced the greatest loss of students. So pushing terror

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01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: on parents that could lead to school closures is not,

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01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 1: in fact a victimless crime. It's just that the victims

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01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: come from families unlikely to pay for a New York

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01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: Times subscription. And this is how class politics works. Folks.

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Speaker 1: If you're the Times affluent audience another year of virtual school,

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01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be a pain in the ass, but

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01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: your kids are going to be okay. You can afford

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01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: to err on the side preposterously cautious. Not so for

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01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 1: kids in households where time, money, and internet access are

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Speaker 1: incredibly scarce. A year of virtual school turns into a

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Speaker 1: year of dose school at all, which turns into a

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Speaker 1: lifetime of struggle. And by the way, if you're worried

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01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: about death, being poor in America means you will die

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Speaker 1: around fourteen years sooner on average than the wealthy. Look.

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01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 1: Closing schools and other extreme precautions were understandable in the

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01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 1: early days of the pandemic when we truly did not

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Speaker 1: know how at risks children were of serious illness. But

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01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 1: now we know, and thank God, the risk of serious

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01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: illness for children, even with the delta variat continues to

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Speaker 1: be relatively small. The social education and psychological costs of

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01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: shuddering schools, however, were not small. Please, for the love

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01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: of God, be responsible in your reporting on COVID. The

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01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: stakes are high and the material benefits of the additional

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01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: clicks from your scare mongering are very, very low. And Kyle,

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Speaker 1: I know this is something you've been tracking closely. With

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Speaker 1: the vaccine. There's a big jobs report number that dropped

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01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: last week last Friday, almost a million new jobs created

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01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: that bested a lot of expectations. We wanted to bring

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Speaker 1: in one of my favorite economic analysts, Professor Richard Woolf,

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01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: to talk about all of that. He is host of

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01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Economic Update, Professor of Economics Emeritus at You mass Am

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01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Hersey's visiting professor at the New School, founder of Democracy

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01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: at Work, and many many more things in addition to

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01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: those grade Caesar, nice to be here, Thank you, of course.

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Speaker 1: So just give us top line. What did you think

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Speaker 1: of that job's report and what it says about where

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01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: we are in terms of the economic picture. Well, I

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01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: think my reactions were like most Americans, I was glad

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01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: that there were people getting jobs, because it's obviously better

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01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: that people have jobs and that they don't, especially in

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01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 1: this society, especially at this time. But the minute you

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01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: look at what those numbers cover, that is you look

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01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 1: a little bit below the surface, you begin to see

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01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 1: things that ought to make any reasonable person worry. And

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Speaker 1: let me give you the single most important A huge

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01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:54,919
Speaker 1: proportion of the improved job situation is public sector jobs,

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01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: jobs working for the government, not for the private sector.

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01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: If you look at private sector employment, the news from

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01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: last month is anything but wonderful or exciting because what

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01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: it shows, and this is perhaps the key insight of

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01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: these numbers, is that this is an economy more dependent

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01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: on life support from the government than it has ever been.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we live at a time where corporations are

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01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: in debt to the government more than ever before, where

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01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: the government is in debt to both other governments and

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01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 1: corporations and people more than ever before, and where households

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01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 1: are living on more debt than ever before. This creates

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01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: an economy held up in the end by the federal reserve,

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01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: kept alive by the government, which ironically the private sector

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01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: likes to bash, but upon which that sector now depends.

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Speaker 1: That's fascinating, professor. Do you fear inflation with all these

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Speaker 1: various spending packages or do you think the fears of

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01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: inflation are overblown? Well, you know, you may be surprised. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about inflation, and yes the fears of inflation

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01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,640
Speaker 1: are overblown. We shouldn't be upset at being able to

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Speaker 1: answer those questions that way. But let me try to

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01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: be clear about it. Inflation is a major economic event.

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01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 1: It never has one cause or one key cause. Lots

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Speaker 1: of things have to come together, and that has happened

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01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,440
Speaker 1: historically and it can happen again to produce an inflation.

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01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:42,799
Speaker 1: And we are a society now so dependent on credit

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01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: that we're flooding the economy with the money to sustain credit,

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01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: and that money could move and become something chasing goods

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01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: and services and produce an inflation. On the other hand,

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01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 1: we have been pumping money into the economy for ten

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Speaker 1: years now. We've never stopped doing that since the so

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Speaker 1: called Great Recession of two thousand and eight and nine,

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01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,919
Speaker 1: and we haven't had an inflation all those ten years.

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01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: So you can see other factors have to be at work.

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01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: And mostly the people who yell inflation have something else

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01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,679
Speaker 1: in mind that they either want or don't want to happen.

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01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 1: And the scary thing to threaten folks with is inflation,

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01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: so it gets inflated, if you pardon the pun, but

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01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: it is not, in fact the kind of thing that

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01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: you worry about every day. You have to see quite

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01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: a few things coming together before you really think a

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01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: sustained inflation is underway. And one last point, nobody can

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Speaker 1: predict the future. I can't, you can't, nobody can. And

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Speaker 1: therefore these arguments that are often couched as we will

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01:34:54,479 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: have inflation next year or we will not, don't take

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01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 1: this stuff seriously. Those are wishful thinking at best. So

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Speaker 1: I want to dig in more on what you were

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01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: saying about private sector job creation versus government job creation.

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01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: We actually have a news article from NBC that laid

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01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: this out. So in the midst of this, you know,

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Speaker 1: gigantic jobs number they're pointing out as you were, private

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01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 1: companies added three hundred and thirty thousand jobs in July,

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01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: and that was way below the estimate of six hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty three thousand. So where do things go from here?

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Speaker 1: I mean, do those government jobs just continue to be

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01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: created and prop up the job market. I'm also seeing

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01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,879
Speaker 1: these numbers about how all there are record breaking numbers

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01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 1: of job openings right now. So there's, you know, the idea,

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01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,799
Speaker 1: there's there are plenty of work for people who want

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01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,680
Speaker 1: to go and find a job anywhere. Where do these

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01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: sort of things? Where do these things go from here?

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01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: As we pull back some of the pandemic supports that

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01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 1: we've had in place for the past year. Well, I

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01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: couldn't really answer where they're going to go without violating

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01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 1: what I just told you about that. Let me tell

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01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: you where some things are pointing, but without getting to

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01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: the notion that I can tell you what's going to happen.

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01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: We are a society that was unable to respond to

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01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 1: the COVID disaster, because fundamentally, the powers of our economic

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01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 1: system did not want the kind of lockdown, the kind

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01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: of really closing up tight, no business as usual that

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01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: was done in New Zealand, that was done in the

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Speaker 1: People's Republic of China and many many other countries. We

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01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: didn't want it. We did the minimum we felt we

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01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: had to. Once we got overwhelmed by COVID, then we

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01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: were overclick in opening up again. And now we're confronting

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01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 1: with the delta variants. A reason to worry that we

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01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: may be closing down. One of the signs of the

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Speaker 1: private sector not doing what was expected, as you just

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01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: pointed out, was because more and more employers are discovering

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01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: that there are high risks at this point when we

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01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:13,879
Speaker 1: don't know how bad this current surge of COVID cases

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01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: is going to get. And we have something which I think,

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01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 1: in the long run is even more important. We have

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Speaker 1: something close to and I don't mean to use hyperbole,

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01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 1: but I will. We have a real rethinking by the

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01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:30,839
Speaker 1: working class of the United States of what they're willing

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01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:35,719
Speaker 1: as a class to accept. Are they really willing this

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01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 1: COVID interruption of a year and a half has made

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01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: people not only lose many jobs, but rethink their jobs,

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01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: and it's made the employers do that. One of the

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01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 1: things that many workers are discovering is the job they

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01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 1: thought they were coming back to, isn't that job. It's

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01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 1: that job in an office where five people used to work,

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01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 1: but the employer own only brought back four. Yeah, he's

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01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: going to give him the same wage, but he's going

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01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: to demand much more. And they know that kind of

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01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 1: thing was already going underway, but the break has made

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01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: it somehow questionable. The quick rate, the government statistics of

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01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: people leaving their job angry or bitter or disgusted and

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01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: wanting to look for something better, is that a rate

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01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: we've never seen before in American history. Workers are saying,

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01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: we are not ready to be forced into a life

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01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: of a precarious job, a hit or miss job, cobbling

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01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:45,600
Speaker 1: together two or three jobs. What's becoming normal for the

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01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: working class? They are now wondering in this country. And

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01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,719
Speaker 1: that is at the beginning, and that's shaking up kind

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01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: of everything, and I suspect is going to shape what

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01:38:56,120 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 1: we see in the future to an even greater degree. Professor,

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01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 1: final question for me I'm curious what you think of

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01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 1: this new reconciliation package, And just to run through some

1857
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 1: of the stuff for the listeners, it has child tax benefit,

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01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: universal pre K, paid family and medical leave, tuition free,

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01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,719
Speaker 1: community college, lower prescription drug costs, housing home care, major

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01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: climate money, lower Medicare age, Obamacare expansion. The list goes

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Speaker 1: on and on. Of the stuff that's in there, would

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Speaker 1: if this were to pass as is, which is a

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01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 1: big if. But if it were to pass as is,

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01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:31,759
Speaker 1: would it be the biggest fundamental transformation of the American

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Speaker 1: economy since the New Deal? Yes, it would be since

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Speaker 1: the New Deal, But that's the crucial caveat that you've

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Speaker 1: given there. We are in a crisis that is much

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Speaker 1: worse in ways I'll mention in a minute than the

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Speaker 1: New Deal. But we're proposing something which is the best

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Speaker 1: since the New Deal, but is modest compared to the

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01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: New Deal. If you understand the scope. In the New Deal,

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01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 1: we fundamentally change the We created social Security, on employment compensation,

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01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 1: the first minimum wage, a federal jobs program employing millions.

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01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: That was a staggering transformation Compared to that, this one,

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01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 1: which is the biggest since then, is still relative to

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01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: the economy modest, and that's the problem because in the

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01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 1: Great Depression we didn't have simultaneously the worst public health

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01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: disaster in the country's history. This time we do. We

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01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,679
Speaker 1: have the convergence of a breakdown of the economic system

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01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: capitalism and of our public health system, and those two

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01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:44,520
Speaker 1: together mean that, however dramatic Bernie Sanders is about this program,

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01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,759
Speaker 1: and he has every right to be, it is still

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01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: not the fundamental change that many of us think this economy,

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01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: having lived one hundred years in this old way, now needs.

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01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:00,919
Speaker 1: I think that is very well said, and that context

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01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 1: is incredibly important. Professor is always great to have you.

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01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 1: Thank you for your insights, Thank you, and thank you

1888
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: all for watching. We appreciate you so much. Kyle and

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01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 1: I will be back on Thursday. In the meantime, if

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01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 1: you are able, and if you like what we do,

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Speaker 1: of our favorite guests. So thank you, guys so much.

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Speaker 1: We love you. We'll see you back here on Thursday.

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