Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks?
Speaker 3: DJ Bucky Rhett Following a week two slate of games,
Speaker 3: I am still in Charlotte, North Carolina. Looks like you
Speaker 3: two fine gentlemen are at home. Fun weekend of football. Boys, Buck,
Speaker 3: you got a grin on your face?
Speaker 2: What are you? What are you grinning about over there?
Speaker 2: Are you enjoying your time in North Carolina? Because you
Speaker 2: stayed you stayed behind. I just wondered, like, if you're
Speaker 2: just hanging out, you're gonna make it.
Speaker 4: You make a trippyy with the Mountaineers. There's anything, and
Speaker 4: oh this is the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got South Alabama coming off of an eighty
Speaker 3: seven point performance coming up.
Speaker 2: The couple of bets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got our work cutout for us on that
Speaker 3: One's a little Appstate South al Thursday night. Or Money's
Speaker 3: Money's gonna come up there as well to take in
Speaker 3: take in the ball game. By that's you're flying out,
Speaker 3: So we're gonna we're gonna make a whole whole big
Speaker 3: deal of it.
Speaker 2: Money.
Speaker 3: Then one on the air dur in the Charger game
Speaker 3: and said, DJ is being honored at the app State game,
Speaker 3: which is not happening. We are literally just going to
Speaker 3: a football game. Be very disappointing.
Speaker 2: We're going We're going in the Ring of Honor. There's
Speaker 2: We're going in the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 3: I just needed tickets. They got me tickets, that's all.
Speaker 3: So I've got a busy week out here at Carolina,
Speaker 3: which is going to get me to our first takeaway
Speaker 3: from the week, because we'll get to the games. We're
Speaker 3: gonna go through the games. But the biggest takeaway right
Speaker 3: now is just what happened. H Bryce Young is no
Speaker 3: longer the starter. So from number one overall pick to
Speaker 3: a year later, new coaching staff, new regime, and now
Speaker 3: it is Andy Dalton under center. I'll get to everything
Speaker 3: that I saw yesterday and then in my preparation for
Speaker 3: this game what I saw. But I want to get
Speaker 3: your guys thoughts on it unfiltered here before I give
Speaker 3: you what I what I saw. Buck, you can you
Speaker 3: can lead us off and Red follow them up.
Speaker 4: Wow, Like major surprise in terms of UH new coach,
Speaker 4: new tenure, new coach brought in to really resurrect Bryce Young.
Speaker 2: Two gays in we're pulling the plug. Just really surprised
Speaker 2: at all of it.
Speaker 4: Last year, we didn't want to put blame on Bryce
Speaker 4: Young because we felt like the supporting cast wasn't good enough.
Speaker 4: This year, we have a new coach, first time head coach,
Speaker 4: trying to bring in a new system. Yes, he has
Speaker 4: some veterans around him, but I don't know if two
Speaker 4: games is enough of a sample size to really know
Speaker 4: what a young.
Speaker 2: Player can be. And the final point would be, Man.
Speaker 4: I feel like we're doing such a disservice to the
Speaker 4: young quarterbacks around the league.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think we train them properly. I don't
Speaker 2: think we give them enough time.
Speaker 4: I think the expectations are outside based on I guess
Speaker 4: draft grades in those things. To me, look, I understand
Speaker 4: he hadn't played well, but two games into a new season.
Speaker 4: To me, it just seems like it's not enough time
Speaker 4: to fully understand who Bryce Young is and what he
Speaker 4: will be at the next level.
Speaker 5: And I think you make some really good points there
Speaker 5: about the development piece, certainly, Buck, but I think you
Speaker 5: know this is a decision to me that you got
Speaker 5: to also go back, you know, a few years. I mean,
Speaker 5: like this is a team that has had mounting pressure
Speaker 5: to win after some very disappointing and look, let's be frank,
Speaker 5: embarrassing performances year over year, right, even going back to
Speaker 5: you know, the tail end of the Matt Rule era,
Speaker 5: and then you know into Frank Reich and you know,
Speaker 5: having coaching changes mid season. We've got you know, overhauls
Speaker 5: on staffs mid season. And it comes down to this
Speaker 5: for me with Dave Canalis, you know, coming in as
Speaker 5: a rookie head coach, but you know, certainly more of
Speaker 5: a proven track record running an offense.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: We saw the reclamation project or the rejuvenation perhaps is
Speaker 5: a better word that he had with Baker Mayfield, and
Speaker 5: that worked right in Tampa. And so you know, now
Speaker 5: you're like, okay, well, where are we trusting that things
Speaker 5: are going wrong here? We're trusting that it's you know,
Speaker 5: the the second year quarterback into his second game, or
Speaker 5: we trusting that you know, it's his things are going
Speaker 5: role on his end, or you know, the coach in
Speaker 5: Canalis who comes off a very successful run as an
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. It's like you put two and two together here,
Speaker 5: and if a change has to be made to start
Speaker 5: winning games, I think you go, you know, you side
Speaker 5: with the part of the equation that has the proven
Speaker 5: track record at this point, at least on the offensive side,
Speaker 5: and that to me is Canalis.
Speaker 6: So then you make the change of quarterback.
Speaker 5: I think it's a lot of things working here, and
Speaker 5: certainly getting embarrassed two weeks in a row to open
Speaker 5: this season plays a role here.
Speaker 3: Dij Yeah, I'll start there because I said this to
Speaker 3: somebody after the game was over yesterday, which was when
Speaker 3: you have an offensive head coach and you can have
Speaker 3: a plan for a player in place, but when your
Speaker 3: reputation is built on the offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 3: and you are as inept as this team has looked
Speaker 3: through two weeks and including a game I was at
Speaker 3: yesterday where they could not complete a bubble screen, They
Speaker 3: couldn't complete a hitch, They didn't even try to push
Speaker 3: the ball down the field. It's one of those things
Speaker 3: whereas a head coach with an offensive background, you got
Speaker 3: to be sitting there think and man, like the rest
Speaker 3: of the league's going to just be laughing at me.
Speaker 3: You're seeing a bubble screen right here, that this is
Speaker 3: a high school throw that they can't make.
Speaker 2: It was so bad as I said, I don't think I.
Speaker 3: Was anticipating a change would be coming because it and
Speaker 3: I'll get to the personnel here momentarily, but it was
Speaker 3: to be there and see it in person, because Buck,
Speaker 3: I think where you're coming at it from, it's like,
Speaker 3: this is a you can't do this, This doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: This is number one overall pick. This is so early
Speaker 3: in his development. But to be in a stadium that's
Speaker 3: dead as a door nail and to see how embarrassingly
Speaker 3: bad this offense was. Its embarrassing that that's why I
Speaker 3: did not see and this could be an overreaction and
Speaker 3: viewed as such, but that's what it is stemming from
Speaker 3: and the other thing. And I'll get your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3: I tweet this out. It's unscientific, but when you go
Speaker 3: to a stadium, as we do each and every week,
Speaker 3: I look out into the stands and I look to
Speaker 3: see the jerseys that they have there. So if you
Speaker 3: think about receivers right which you can start multiples, tight
Speaker 3: end running back, do you know how many of their
Speaker 3: current players at those positions? When I looked around the
Speaker 3: stands that I seen a Chuba hubberd jerseys that I
Speaker 3: see in exavierly getting jerseys.
Speaker 2: No, you know what I saw. I saw Muggsy Bogue jersey.
Speaker 2: That was what I saw.
Speaker 3: There was more Buggsy Bogue jerseys in the stands in
Speaker 3: Carolina than there were for their current skill guys. Their
Speaker 3: offensive line is not good. It's just it's there's a
Speaker 3: long list of things that got us to this point.
Speaker 3: But I do think that it is in some ways
Speaker 3: not surprising that this this move is taking place this early.
Speaker 3: That's how bad it looked yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, it sounds like an organizational failure from top to bottom.
Speaker 4: And let's be honest, it's been a bit of a
Speaker 4: mess since David Teffery kind of popped in and all
Speaker 4: the moves, the secession of moves that were made. Right, So,
Speaker 4: you think about you fire Ron Rivere, you bring in
Speaker 4: I mean, Matt Rule, it doesn't necessarily work. You remove
Speaker 4: on from Cam Newton, you bring in, i mean, just
Speaker 4: a revolving door of quarterbacks. You get the number one
Speaker 4: overall pick, you make the selection with Bryce Young And
Speaker 4: I'll say this honestly, DJ, it probably didn't help that
Speaker 4: on Sunday night, the Houston Texans played with the second
Speaker 4: overall pick in CJ. Stroud and they looked nothing like
Speaker 4: the ineptitude that you're seeing in Carolina. All of that
Speaker 4: stuff factors into it. And I just wonder, with the
Speaker 4: franchise and with the number one overall pick Bryce Young,
Speaker 4: where do you go from here?
Speaker 2: You know? Because when you put a plug to put.
Speaker 4: Andy Dalton in man, that is saying something in a
Speaker 4: major way about.
Speaker 2: How you feel about the number one overall pick and
Speaker 2: Bryce Young, you know.
Speaker 6: And I wonder, and oh, look, here's the thing.
Speaker 5: Dan Morgan was on the Panthers in that Panther's front
Speaker 5: office when they made that trade, but he wasn't, you know,
Speaker 5: the one with the final say there right, you know.
Speaker 5: But I do wonder if that had been if this
Speaker 5: had been his show, right, and if it had been
Speaker 5: Dave Canalis's show, and they had all you know, gone
Speaker 5: in on Bryce Young that way together, would there be
Speaker 5: a longer leash here? But the fact that that was,
Speaker 5: I guess if you call it, you know, from a
Speaker 5: era at least halfway speaking through the head coach, you know,
Speaker 5: you maybe feel like you have a little bit more
Speaker 5: of a of a rope to to, you know, make
Speaker 5: this move right now and move to Andy Dalton. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it was clear DJ, they had to do something. You
Speaker 5: can't go on like this, You're gonna lose the rest
Speaker 5: of the team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not it's not a Bryce Young singular issue,
Speaker 3: but he's not. You can say, I can say that
Speaker 3: Bryce Young is not the problem with this team, but
Speaker 3: I can also say, at this point in time, I
Speaker 3: don't know that he has the skills to be the
Speaker 3: solution to what they where they are right now, they
Speaker 3: don't at least with you know, with any dogts. You say,
Speaker 3: at least we have some experience and some knowledge to
Speaker 3: maybe provide to this group. But when you when you
Speaker 3: have not when you don't have hard of any weapons,
Speaker 3: and you go out and you trade up. But one
Speaker 3: spot that they did to go get Xavier Lyguet is
Speaker 3: the guy that you've you've identified. We have no playmakers
Speaker 3: on this team. We don't have difference makers. That's our guy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: He targets shed yesterday zero zero. And it's not like
Speaker 3: I looked, I watched the game. I prepped for that game.
Speaker 3: There was not Andre Johnson and Randy Moss on the
Speaker 3: field with him to be taking targets away from him.
Speaker 3: That didn't make any sense to me. So I again,
Speaker 3: there are six players away from maybe being ten players
Speaker 3: away from being good.
Speaker 6: And the only thing I.
Speaker 3: Would caution, the only thing I would caution with the
Speaker 3: comparison with him and CJ, and CJ has been awesome.
Speaker 3: CJ has been fantastic. But the only thing I would
Speaker 3: caution is look at those rosters. How many players for
Speaker 3: the Carolina Panthers would start for the Houston Texans. And
Speaker 3: when you come to that conclusion, I think everybody will
Speaker 3: back off of Bryce Young just a little bit.
Speaker 2: But it's bad.
Speaker 3: It is bad right now in Carolina. Let's get to
Speaker 3: the next game here. Let's get to the one we're
Speaker 3: referencing with Houston and Chicago RTT. When you look at
Speaker 3: you look at that ballgame, offensively, both teams, I mean,
Speaker 3: only be talked about is the Bears having struggled. Both
Speaker 3: teams did struggle a little bit, and I think it's
Speaker 3: credit to two outstanding defenses.
Speaker 6: No question.
Speaker 5: But it's the one in Houston that's getting the headlines
Speaker 5: here today because of the pressure they put on Caleb
Speaker 5: William six sacks in the game, twenty three hurrys, thirty
Speaker 5: two pressures, pressured on thirty eight percent of his dropbacks,
Speaker 5: and big reasons for those pressures, of course were Daniel Hunter,
Speaker 5: this year's Marquis free agency acquisition by Nick Casario and
Speaker 5: the Houston Texans, and of course Will Anderson, the number
Speaker 5: three overall pick last year, each had seven pressures in
Speaker 5: this game, and they were running a lot of stunts.
Speaker 5: They were moving guys around in this Bears offensive line
Speaker 5: from top to bottom, left to right was completely overwhelmed.
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of talk about the interior
Speaker 5: guys not being great. Well, both tackles got whooped a
Speaker 5: number of times. I mean, you had Darnell right out
Speaker 5: there on that last sack there from from Will Anderson.
Speaker 5: You know, it looked like he was playing first base
Speaker 5: and he was stretching to pick up, you know, pick
Speaker 5: up a throw from the third baseman to beat the runner.
Speaker 5: It was so overextended, right, I mean, ayk will Anderson
Speaker 5: or Daniel Hunter on that one.
Speaker 6: It didn't even touch Darnell Wright.
Speaker 5: It kind of was like a receiver running a corner
Speaker 5: route at the top of his break and just kind
Speaker 5: of gave him a little stick and got a you know,
Speaker 5: Roxton Jones there on the left side certainly took his
Speaker 5: fair share of it as well. Everybody has, you know,
Speaker 5: some blame to wear in that one. I think it's
Speaker 5: amazing that Caleb Williams finished this game right. So they've
Speaker 5: got to figure some stuff out there. I think that
Speaker 5: you know, some of this you gotta look at. They've
Speaker 5: got to do some stuff scheme wise too, to figure
Speaker 5: out a way to neutralize some of this pass rus
Speaker 5: just not just on you know, one on ones offensive
Speaker 5: lineman getting beat. They got to figure out some ways
Speaker 5: to get the ball out of Caleb's hands and to
Speaker 5: get him out of there if they if they can't
Speaker 5: hold up in the pocket.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it was a lot of pressure. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was under constant duress.
Speaker 4: And I think what Kayleb Williams discovered is how much
Speaker 4: different the game is at the pro level compared to
Speaker 4: the collegiate level. The things that he was able to
Speaker 4: get away with at USC when he would leave the pocket,
Speaker 4: he can't do those things because the windows are smaller,
Speaker 4: the players are much faster, and the hits are far
Speaker 4: more vioalient. Now he escaped arm in terms of not
Speaker 4: being like stroke to the point where he was staying down.
Speaker 2: But man, he took some shots.
Speaker 4: And what you would like him to do is to
Speaker 4: be able to win with his arm and be less
Speaker 4: reliant on his legs. But when you're the Houston Texans,
Speaker 4: and the Texans are putting pressure on him, like like
Speaker 4: he was seeing, Look, man, you got to do what
Speaker 4: you can do.
Speaker 2: But you just saw the.
Speaker 4: Impact of pressure on a young quarterback and how it
Speaker 4: completely broke down not only his game, but it broke
Speaker 4: down to Chicago Bears game plan.
Speaker 5: Look in DJ on that front with like there's just
Speaker 5: there's nowhere for him to escape to. It's like everybody's
Speaker 5: getting beat and some of these some of these guys
Speaker 5: are just getting pushed back into his lap. And so
Speaker 5: you know, even though it may not be a you know,
Speaker 5: a defender that's about to sack him, there, I mean
Speaker 5: like the offensive lineman is in his chest and so
Speaker 5: there's just.
Speaker 6: There's nowhere to maneuver. It's like he can't step up
Speaker 6: and make a throw to beat the edge. It's just there.
Speaker 5: There's no escape plan. There's no like easy solute. There
Speaker 5: were no easy solutions for him in this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also a game of adjustments, and I give
Speaker 3: Tomko ryans a lot of credit the Bears came out.
Speaker 3: When you start this tape and you watch it, Caleb
Speaker 3: got into a little them early. It was a it
Speaker 3: was a four man rush. They were able to get
Speaker 3: free releases off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: He was on time.
Speaker 3: He actually started out the game well. And then what
Speaker 3: happened is they had an instance where they collapsed the center,
Speaker 3: and once they saw the kind of the instability of
Speaker 3: the interior of this offensive line, they attacked it. They
Speaker 3: attacked it with pressures, sim pressures. Then they ended up
Speaker 3: just just even when they went simple games like simple
Speaker 3: simple twists they.
Speaker 2: Did, they couldn't pick it up. So now it just
Speaker 2: it sped Caleb up.
Speaker 3: And then Caleb again Buck talked about trying to create
Speaker 3: and extend plays like a did a s seat. This
Speaker 3: is you know, this is not you're not dodging one
Speaker 3: car here, You've got this is a highway? Is an
Speaker 3: autobahns coming over the place he's playing, Yeah, it's exactly
Speaker 3: what was.
Speaker 2: He's playing Frogger out there.
Speaker 3: So I'm going through this and I'm like, okay, oh boy,
Speaker 3: the center got collapsed, and I just started checking that,
Speaker 3: checking it checking it, checking it, and so that that
Speaker 3: became a problem. Now he got hung up on number
Speaker 3: one a few times. That's a teaching moment. And I've
Speaker 3: seen Caleb in this game and throughout his career. He
Speaker 3: can get through progressions. It's not something he's incapable of doing.
Speaker 3: But there were some instance he hung on too long
Speaker 3: number one. Teaching point. Okay, you learn from that tape.
Speaker 3: Their screen game, the timing and their screen game is
Speaker 3: not good. There's teams and buck you've seen it. Haven't
Speaker 3: been around the Packers. I saw it with Andy Reid.
Speaker 3: There's certain coaches and schemes that understand screens, understand timing,
Speaker 3: they teach it well, they execute it well. And there's
Speaker 3: other teams that doesn't look right. They're not a good
Speaker 3: screen team right now. They're timings jacked up on that stuff.
Speaker 3: So they've got to be better with that. He doesn't
Speaker 3: get credit on the stat sheet, you know, for some
Speaker 3: of these things. But there's a third and fourteen or
Speaker 3: about the thirty yard line, he rips a seam, it's
Speaker 3: perfectly thrown. You get interference. They get the ball right
Speaker 3: there inside the ten yard line. That's a thirty yard
Speaker 3: throw or whatever with a high degree of difficulty. It
Speaker 3: doesn't show up on the box score because you got
Speaker 3: to pass interference. Following that, he hits Roma Dunes a
Speaker 3: little pop that Rome's unfortunately not able to bring that
Speaker 3: one in. There's other drops throughout the game. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's there was a lot of other issues. But the
Speaker 3: thing that I was encouraged was RTT mentioned. He got up,
Speaker 3: He got the stuffing kicked out of him, and he
Speaker 3: just kept getting up and getting up and getting up
Speaker 3: and getting up. And I didn't see him Buck show
Speaker 3: up his offensive lineman. I didn't see him just like, oh,
Speaker 3: here we go again. They just rushed forward. I just
Speaker 3: got smoked. He just he got back up. The one
Speaker 3: thing that did bother me for their team. And I
Speaker 3: know Dj Moore is he's I've heard nothing, but he's
Speaker 3: a great dude. Everywhere he's been, teammates love him. I
Speaker 3: thought he got frustrated in that game. The ball wasn't
Speaker 3: finding him. They weren't on the same page with back
Speaker 3: shoulder throws. There were some near misses, but his quarterback
Speaker 3: is getting the snot kicked out of him. And then
Speaker 3: after an errant throw, Dj Moore kind of flips his
Speaker 3: helmet off on the sideline and in my opinion, he
Speaker 3: showed up his quarterback making his second start.
Speaker 2: You can't do that.
Speaker 3: That's something that needs to be communicated to him and
Speaker 3: just a little a little recognition buck of Hey, maybe
Speaker 3: as receivers, maybe we go back and watch the heat
Speaker 3: that the stude was under before you start getting frustrated
Speaker 3: with the ball being a little left or right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now, DJ, I think that's one of the things
Speaker 4: that when you start a young quarterback is one of
Speaker 4: those things that should be communicated to not only all
Speaker 4: the veterans, but the coaches. How we handle, how we react,
Speaker 4: your body language, those things. Because you are playing a
Speaker 4: young quarterback who's in the second start. He's trying to
Speaker 4: figure it out. The speed of the game is so
Speaker 4: much faster than what he's used to and we have
Speaker 4: these outside expectations on what he should be able to
Speaker 4: do right away. DJ Moore should know better. They compensated him, well,
Speaker 4: they just did his contract. He had to know going
Speaker 4: in it's gonna be some ups and downs when you
Speaker 4: play the young quarterback. What I loved is I saw
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen working with the young quarterback, talking to him
Speaker 4: on the side and those things, but you know, you
Speaker 4: want everyone to be on board and in the heat
Speaker 4: of the moment, yes, those frustrations can sometimes boil over,
Speaker 4: but you would like to see him have a little
Speaker 4: more composure, a little more poise where he doesn't show
Speaker 4: up the quarterback on national.
Speaker 2: TV, so it becomes maybe a bigger issue than it
Speaker 2: really needs to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all that being said, their defense was so outstanding.
Speaker 3: They had the ball in their hands with the chance
Speaker 3: to drive at the end of the game to go
Speaker 3: win the ball game. So if you're a Bears fan,
Speaker 3: I would take tremendous encouragement from that. The defense is stellar,
Speaker 3: Your quarterback is really tough. There's some offensive line issues
Speaker 3: that aren't going to get solved, you know, personnel wise
Speaker 3: until we get to the offseason. But they can clean
Speaker 3: up some of their at least communication issues that they've had,
Speaker 3: so not all lost Houston. That defense, that front is legit,
Speaker 3: and they've got guys that can win all those ches
Speaker 3: and they can push the pocket. Oh big time, big time,
Speaker 3: big time. That's one of the best teams in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I mean it is.
Speaker 3: There's no shame in that for the Chicago Bears. Let's
Speaker 3: get to the next game here, Dallas, New Orleans. Rhett,
Speaker 3: you look at the Cowboys, you look at the Saints.
Speaker 3: I mean, I could make an argument that the Cowboys
Speaker 3: defense is the biggest takeaway. I can make an argument
Speaker 3: with the same are doing on offense their two games
Speaker 3: is the biggest takeaway. There's a lot of different ways
Speaker 3: you can go here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I actually kind of looked at the sequencing
Speaker 5: of this thing a little bit too, because I think
Speaker 5: on the surface, most people kind of look at this,
Speaker 5: you know, like, oh, this will blowout from start to finish. Now,
Speaker 5: even though the Saints scored touchdowns on their first six possessions,
Speaker 5: say that again, they score touchdowns on their first six possessions,
Speaker 5: which is pretty incredible. I think you do have to
Speaker 5: look at this thing a little bit deeper in that
Speaker 5: you go back, it was twenty one to six in
Speaker 5: the second quarter. Here Dak makes a phenomenal tight window
Speaker 5: throw to ceed Lamb and CD takes it the distance,
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, it's twenty one thirteen here
Speaker 5: in the second quarter.
Speaker 6: I have very much a ballgame here.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: The Saints then go on on eleven play seventy yard
Speaker 5: touchdown drive to make it a twenty eight to thirteen game.
Speaker 5: And this is where things start to get off the rails.
Speaker 5: Cowboys go on another drive of their own. They're approaching
Speaker 5: midfield here, and they got a chance to get it
Speaker 5: back to a one score game. And you got a
Speaker 5: wide open slant route that's going to go like Dak
Speaker 5: sees it, he fires, it's a good throw. Jalen Brooks
Speaker 5: is running that route and he trips, he trips, he falls,
Speaker 5: and it is an easy interception for the defender. And
Speaker 5: at that point, the wheels start coming off the bus
Speaker 5: because then the Saints score off that interception for their
Speaker 5: fifth straight touchdown, and then the Cowboys do march down.
Speaker 5: They get a field goal for the end of the half.
Speaker 5: But it's thirty five to thirteen right at that point,
Speaker 5: and you're like, holy smokes, we're about to make this,
Speaker 5: you know, look like we're about to make this a
Speaker 5: one score game again. All of a sudden, things start snowballing. Look,
Speaker 5: and I think for the Cowboys, they'll go back offensively
Speaker 5: and they'll look at their first two drives at thirteen
Speaker 5: and fourteen, play drives on their first two and they
Speaker 5: only come away with six points on those drives. They
Speaker 5: get down to the thirty four and down to the
Speaker 5: twenty obviously can't have that. You know, they had zero
Speaker 5: third down conversions in the red zone. They ran nine
Speaker 5: plays in the red zone, got zero touchdowns and through
Speaker 5: an interception. So just not great overall for the Cowboys
Speaker 5: here defensively, you know, they succumbed dj to what Alvin
Speaker 5: Kamara started to like. I mean it's like we got
Speaker 5: Christmas Day, you know, four years ago Alvin Kamara against
Speaker 5: by the way, on Mike Zimmer coach defense, if you might.
Speaker 2: Recall m okay.
Speaker 4: So that's a good pool because that explains the nightmares
Speaker 4: at the bottom of the screen. What I would say this,
Speaker 4: having studied Clinton Kobi K's offense last week for the Notebook,
Speaker 4: I knew that he was really in his bag when
Speaker 4: it came to free snap motions, shifts, play passes, misdirection
Speaker 4: and deception. And I'm gonna say this, like Derek carl
Speaker 4: looks very comfortable running that type of offense. But it's
Speaker 4: not just Derek Carr. I think it's Alvin Kamar being
Speaker 4: the chess piece. I go back to years ago at
Speaker 4: the Combine where we watched after those running backs work out.
Speaker 4: It was Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamar, and I felt
Speaker 4: like they put on one of the best exhibitions of
Speaker 4: route running that I've ever seen from wide receivers, and
Speaker 4: it was them going tip for tech when it came
Speaker 4: to running routes and for all of the love that
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey would get being that chess piece that you
Speaker 4: can move around the board like the Queen. Alvin Kamara
Speaker 4: has the same kind of potential and capability, and what
Speaker 4: we're seeing, we're seeing the Saints utilize all of the
Speaker 4: skills that he brings to the table.
Speaker 2: This is a fun offense to watch and I never imagine.
Speaker 4: Going into this year that this was going to be
Speaker 4: a musty TV offense based on what Clint Kubiak is
Speaker 4: doing with Alvin Kamara, Derek Carr and all of the Bills.
Speaker 2: And Wilson's with his offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun watching their offensive tape. It was physical,
Speaker 3: it was well coordinated, it was well designed, it was
Speaker 3: well executed. And next year when I released my first
Speaker 3: Top fifty, you guys, I need as friends and accountability
Speaker 3: partners to you guys to say, Okay, put now close
Speaker 3: your computer DJ and put it away and unplug your phone.
Speaker 3: Because I love Talisi. Fuaga loved him, and I ended up.
Speaker 3: I think I moved him down, maybe a couple spots,
Speaker 3: not far. He was still way high up my list,
Speaker 3: but I think he was my top offensive He was
Speaker 3: right behind Alt. I think I had him right behind
Speaker 3: Alt on my first list in terms of offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: He's been awesome. Man, he has been awesome. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: well this test or, this drill who cares his tape
Speaker 3: was so good. He was so physical. He's been excellent
Speaker 3: along that offensive line. One interesting note, Doug Farrer had
Speaker 3: a tweet and I just pulled it up because it
Speaker 3: brought up a great point. You know, we always talk
Speaker 3: about guys having to switch positions in the NFL and
Speaker 3: offensive linemen. That can be difficult. But when you look
Speaker 3: at Joe Alt, who's swapped, who from from left to right,
Speaker 3: Dominique Pooney who's gone from tackle to guard, Fuaga who's
Speaker 3: gone from the right to the left, Cooper Bebe he's
Speaker 3: gone from tackle to back inside, these guys are playing
Speaker 3: the best of these rookie linemen and they're playing a
Speaker 3: position they didn't play last year. So let's keep an
Speaker 3: open mind when we're evaluating players that that versatility can
Speaker 3: Guys can.
Speaker 2: Do different things. They don't need to be type cast,
Speaker 2: so to speak.
Speaker 5: How many forty four point performances have you seen where
Speaker 5: the quarterback only completes eleven passes.
Speaker 3: That's efficient, it's pretty amazing, an explosion bucks As a
Speaker 3: play caller on the high school level, efficiency and explosiveness
Speaker 3: is a good combination.
Speaker 4: It is a good combination. And that's the thing that's
Speaker 4: really interesting about the Saints. We won't necessarily call them
Speaker 4: San Francisco in terms of like how they deploy their personnel,
Speaker 4: but man, when you think about this offense and you
Speaker 4: think about the number of play callers that have utilized
Speaker 4: a version of the Kubiak Shanahan, whatever system that you
Speaker 4: want to talk about, it creates a lot of stress
Speaker 4: and a lot of headaches with defensive coordinators trying to
Speaker 4: figure out how to handle all of the things that
Speaker 4: they do, and with the Saints because they have, like
Speaker 4: everyone talks about the quarterback being central to the offensive success,
Speaker 4: I believe is that that offensive weapon that Alvin Kamari
Speaker 4: Is that really puts you into buying because his ability
Speaker 4: to run it, catch it, line up anywhere, and do
Speaker 4: a bunch of different things really creates opportunities for the others.
Speaker 2: Hass off to Clan Kubiak. This this is fine.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to continue to see how he builds
Speaker 4: and expand on what they've already shown the football world
Speaker 4: thus far.
Speaker 2: Also hat tip to.
Speaker 3: Jeff Ireland, who's been you know, the personnel architect in
Speaker 3: New Orleans for a long time, who's done an excellent
Speaker 3: job of identifying and drafting players. Doesn't put his name
Speaker 3: out there, isn't somebody that needs all the love. He's
Speaker 3: been a general manager before. He is really good at
Speaker 3: scouting players and adding talent. And the Saints team that
Speaker 3: I don't know that we thought about much less talked
Speaker 3: about all offseason is off to a two and zero
Speaker 3: start and the team that cruise to a victory is
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings and a big time, big time game
Speaker 3: for them, second year in a row. They beat the
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers, which, by the way, I did predict
Speaker 3: that one. So of all the games that I got wrong,
Speaker 3: and every fan base gives me crap. Hey, Viking fans.
Speaker 3: Who's got your back here?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: They match up well, it's a former coach when you
Speaker 3: look at at someone and Kevin O'Connor, who's got a
Speaker 3: very good understanding and familiarity with the way Kyle Shannon
Speaker 3: and coaches and teaches and schemes it up.
Speaker 2: He's got some recent success here.
Speaker 3: But the biggest story for me in this ball game
Speaker 3: was Sam You know, you look at Sam Donald two
Speaker 3: under sixty eight yards, including this ninety seven yard bomb
Speaker 3: to Justin Jefferson that was right on the money.
Speaker 2: He's doing what we thought he would do.
Speaker 6: Buck.
Speaker 3: We knew we had all that ability, needed the opportunity.
Speaker 3: I'm in here in Carolina and I'm sitting here thinking
Speaker 3: they had Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield in the building.
Speaker 3: It wasn't working out for them there.
Speaker 2: They both move on.
Speaker 3: They've both been successful and more stable organizations. That leads
Speaker 3: you to believe that maybe the quarterback wasn't the issue
Speaker 3: when it comes to the struggles of the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 3: But going back through this game, Sam, I mean, I
Speaker 3: just feel like I'd be repeating all the stuff that
Speaker 3: I liked about him coming out. I would just say
Speaker 3: the only difference maybe is if he has a negative play,
Speaker 3: I think he doesn't let it snowball maybe like he
Speaker 3: did at times with the Jets early on in his career.
Speaker 3: He's able to flush it get to the next play.
Speaker 3: But quick release, quick eyes. He can use his legs
Speaker 3: when he needs to. His skill set has never been
Speaker 3: a question, and now it looks like you're marrying that
Speaker 3: with the right scheme, the right personnel, the right play caller.
Speaker 4: It's really interesting to see Sam Donald's re emergence as
Speaker 4: a player that people like, particularly in the football world,
Speaker 4: because there were so many high grades on him in
Speaker 4: the twenty eighteen class third overall pick. And what it
Speaker 4: does is it goes to show you the importance of
Speaker 4: the pieces around the quarterback.
Speaker 2: It's not only the play caller.
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell, who's outstanding when it comes to quarterback play,
Speaker 4: but it's the weapons. It's having a Justin Jefferson on
Speaker 4: the outside. It's having some of the other pieces like
Speaker 4: the running game Tyd Chandler and Aaron Jones being able
Speaker 4: to kind of combind for well over one hundred yards.
Speaker 4: It's being able to give confidence to the quarterback because
Speaker 4: you know, hey man, you don't have to do everything.
Speaker 2: Your job is just to be the distributor.
Speaker 4: And maybe for the first time and Sam Donald's playing career,
Speaker 4: he has been given.
Speaker 2: Those luxuries while being the starting quarterback.
Speaker 4: It does say a lot when you go back and
Speaker 4: you look at the situations that he was previously in,
Speaker 4: particularly in Carolina, where so much of the blame was
Speaker 4: placed on him and.
Speaker 2: It was kind of placed on Baker not being good enough.
Speaker 4: Maybe we're seeing coaching matters, the support staff matters.
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks need a.
Speaker 4: Lot of things to play really well at the high level.
Speaker 4: Sam Donald's kind of like an example of how if
Speaker 4: you get the right things around the quarterback and you
Speaker 4: have the right play caller whispering sweet, nothing's guy can
Speaker 4: play at high level.
Speaker 6: Play caller playmakers, right.
Speaker 5: I mean we talked about that about, you know, justin Jefferson,
Speaker 5: you know, taking that ninety seven yard touchdown connection a
Speaker 5: lot of it. It was a deep throw, certainly from Darneld,
Speaker 5: but still the catch and run there from Jefferson was
Speaker 5: pretty impressive. I did want to look at things on
Speaker 5: the offensive side of the ball for the San Francisco
Speaker 5: forty nine ers.
Speaker 6: Look they put up.
Speaker 5: You know, they were production wized fine, four hundred and
Speaker 5: seven total yards, but just thirty three of those four
Speaker 5: hundred plus yards coming on third down, just a single
Speaker 5: rushing yard of those thirty three coming on thre They
Speaker 5: were two of ten on third down in this game,
Speaker 5: converted one in the in the first quarter, not another
Speaker 5: one until the fourth quarter. I think a lot of that. Basically,
Speaker 5: you got to give some credit to what Brian Flores
Speaker 5: is doing with that defense. Mixed up some really good
Speaker 5: coverage looks. They had some man looks there that were
Speaker 5: you know, the forty nine ers targets weren't able to
Speaker 5: generate separation. Also some well timed zone packages that helped
Speaker 5: take away the middle of the field that force brought
Speaker 5: to hold the ball a little bit. One of those
Speaker 5: inbreakers wanted that bender route a couple of times, just
Speaker 5: couldn't get it, and then the pass rush eventually gets
Speaker 5: to him here. So I mean, I think when you
Speaker 5: look then at that defense in the framework of what
Speaker 5: you know Equasi has done from an evaluation standpoint, in
Speaker 5: front office standpoint, let's look at how they built this thing.
Speaker 5: They had some pieces, certainly, but how about the free
Speaker 5: agent acquisitions this year Jonathan Grenard big time, Andrew Van
Speaker 5: Ginkel underrated, big time free agent acquisition for Brian.
Speaker 6: Cashman, Like Cashman out there has done a nice job.
Speaker 5: Gilmore coming in light to play a bunch of snaps
Speaker 5: for him at corner, doing a really good job. And
Speaker 5: then Dallas Turner who they take in the first round,
Speaker 5: not just him Ivan Pace last year. And how about
Speaker 5: Pat Jones the second from Pitt It was a third
Speaker 5: round pick, and I'm he is coming on and really
Speaker 5: flashing and becoming a major contributor on this defense.
Speaker 6: Really solid in the run game, stood up.
Speaker 5: George Kittle a couple of times in this game he
Speaker 5: was in the backfield, closed down a run from the backside.
Speaker 6: He had two of their five sacks.
Speaker 2: DJ.
Speaker 5: I mean like, I feel like he was a name.
Speaker 5: We didn't talk about a ton. What did you have
Speaker 5: in your report on Pat Jones?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just pulled up my notes on him. So
Speaker 3: interesting player. Patrick Jones come out of pit. He was
Speaker 3: six h four to two so and sixty one pounds.
Speaker 3: He ran four nine to four at his pro day,
Speaker 3: so not a great time in terms of the workout.
Speaker 3: I had him as my one hundred and forty sixth player.
Speaker 3: I dropped him after that workout, which is a great
Speaker 3: lesson to learn there because he was a ninetieth pick
Speaker 3: and he's been excellent. So here are the notes. They
Speaker 3: love him at the school. He's ahead to the chest,
Speaker 3: our player like he just would bury his head into
Speaker 3: dudes and walk them straight back. Needed a little bit
Speaker 3: of a runway, not a loose bendy athlete at the top,
Speaker 3: but played with maniacal effort, with his hair on fire.
Speaker 3: They move him up and down the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: Had had a great was down there at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 3: had a great ten time. So again, that's a lesson, right.
Speaker 3: I teach it every year. I preach it every year
Speaker 3: at the combine throw out the forty. With these pass rushers,
Speaker 3: it's just a ten that matters. But Buck, I feel
Speaker 3: like when you go back and look at that card
Speaker 3: as we like to call it on the board, and
Speaker 3: you just see that four nine four, and I'm sitting
Speaker 3: here looking at all these other pass rushes, all these
Speaker 3: explosive numbers, and I'm sitting there going, well, maybe I
Speaker 3: maybe I pull back a little bit on the grid.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a good reminder that's a lesson learned
Speaker 3: there not to do that in the future because he's
Speaker 3: playing really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, playing really well.
Speaker 4: And it is it is something we talked about, lessons
Speaker 4: we learned and how you can get better. But DJ,
Speaker 4: I feel like we've said it multiple times. Read too,
Speaker 4: We've said it multiple times throughout this thing. Sometimes it's
Speaker 4: just trusting to tape. It's trusting to tape, trusting with
Speaker 4: your I s and then also hoping that the player
Speaker 4: goes to the right spot, he's in the right environment
Speaker 4: to fully flourish. And this league is is everything that
Speaker 4: we talk about, like, is fun to watch the competitive
Speaker 4: games is intriguing to watch the young players if they
Speaker 4: land in the right spot. And it's also about the
Speaker 4: reclamation projects, the guys that it doesn't work out initially,
Speaker 4: but then it works out later because they find the
Speaker 4: right spot.
Speaker 2: Just so many lessons to be learned each and every weekend.
Speaker 3: All right, let's let's get to the next game here
Speaker 3: at Tampa Detroit. What was your takeaway there?
Speaker 6: You no, I went in.
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, let me see what's going
Speaker 5: on this. You know, the Baker Mayfield phenomenon, right, the
Speaker 5: resurgence in Tampa, you know, deserves a good hard look
Speaker 5: and I just kind of felt like they held on
Speaker 5: on offense. I mean it's nothing spectacular, certainly, and they
Speaker 5: just kind of held it, you know, kind of held tough.
Speaker 6: I think credit to the Bucks defense for sure, but
Speaker 6: they made some plays. Certainly.
Speaker 5: You've seen this one here to Godwin, and Baker's been
Speaker 5: really good these his running. The way he ran the
Speaker 5: football in this game was big. This this you know,
Speaker 5: design QB draw for Baker Mayfield didn't know that Liam
Speaker 5: Cohen had that one in the playbook, but obviously worked
Speaker 5: out for him there. I think this ultimately just comes
Speaker 5: down to, you know, the Lions made some serious mistakes
Speaker 5: in this game. Look at that interception right there. You
Speaker 5: know that felt like it was probably a little PI
Speaker 5: at the top of the break, Jameson Williams gets kind
Speaker 5: of bumped off his route. I you know, I'd like
Speaker 5: to see him be a little bit more competitive at
Speaker 5: the top there with the ball in the air. But
Speaker 5: you know, that was an interception. And then the second
Speaker 5: one for Golf was just a killer. It got some
Speaker 5: interior pressure and just kind of throws it up for grabs.
Speaker 5: Nobody home except for three Buccaneers defenders there. I think,
Speaker 5: you know again this will come down to And Dan
Speaker 5: Campbell comes out after the game and says, this game
Speaker 5: is one hundred percent on me. Head coach cost our
Speaker 5: team this game because of the miscommunication that happened at
Speaker 5: the end.
Speaker 6: Of the first half.
Speaker 5: Buckying with your head coaching perspective here, you can kind
Speaker 5: of give us a sense of what's going through the
Speaker 5: mind of a head coach. Right, So they get the ball,
Speaker 5: they have no time, they've used their last time out,
Speaker 5: they're down in the red zone. Golf completes as del
Speaker 5: Mona Saint Brown. They got seventeen seconds left. The clock
Speaker 5: is running tick tick tick tick tick tick, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: you got the field goal team coming in from the sideline.
Speaker 5: But Golf is thinking he's trying to get up there
Speaker 5: and spike it, but you got and so he spikes it.
Speaker 5: Field goal team's trying to get off. They don't get
Speaker 5: off in time. You got too many men on the field.
Speaker 5: So what's going on in the headsets there at that point?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it obviously sounds like it's one of those things
Speaker 4: where if the head coach is indecisive, it's not communicated
Speaker 4: quickly to the special teams coach and to the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 4: what are the next steps? What's the plan of action?
Speaker 4: And you would like to think it's something that's been rehearsed.
Speaker 4: You know what the magic number is in terms of
Speaker 4: how many seconds we need to be able to either
Speaker 4: run the field, go team on the field, or what
Speaker 4: is the plan? And so I appreciate Dan Campbell owning
Speaker 4: it because some of those times as a head coach,
Speaker 4: you have a lot that you're thinking about and sometimes
Speaker 4: those scenarios, that situation may have been one that you
Speaker 4: just forgot to either talk about, rehear or go through
Speaker 4: with the players.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: It's an expensive learning lesson, but it's one that I
Speaker 4: can guarantee you going forward, you will never have the
Speaker 4: same kind of mistake.
Speaker 3: At the end of mass right, I just love the
Speaker 3: fact there was ownership there.
Speaker 2: I mean, real quick.
Speaker 3: Listen to listen to what he said after the game,
Speaker 3: because this is this is what ownership looks like.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I asked for improvement from last week, was the story.
Speaker 1: And we did improve, we did improve, and their coach
Speaker 1: cost him. Their head coach cost him this one so.
Speaker 2: Critical error in the half.
Speaker 1: And uh me, we improved. There's areas we got to
Speaker 1: continue to approve on. But it's not okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: That's accountability.
Speaker 3: That's why Dan Campbell's beloved by his players because he
Speaker 3: owned it when it was when it was on him.
Speaker 3: Last thought on this one is Chris god from Tampa
Speaker 3: HTT talked about nothing really jumping out to me.
Speaker 2: I just feel like he's just one of those underappreciated players.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just being in the shadow of Mike Evans,
Speaker 3: but you watch him all the guy does.
Speaker 2: He can play inside, he can play outside.
Speaker 3: He's strong, he's physical, he's good after the catch, he's
Speaker 3: competitive in the run game like just a really really
Speaker 3: solid player. That is one of those shadow guys. I
Speaker 3: just feel like he hasn't necessarily got his due. But
Speaker 3: I remember when Tom Brady first got to Tampa, of
Speaker 3: all the different players they had on that particular team,
Speaker 3: Chris Godwin was the one that he would often mention
Speaker 3: as someone who was just a pros pro and someone
Speaker 3: that he felt comfortable with. So just want to give
Speaker 3: Chris Godwin his flowers. Alright, guys, this probably was the
Speaker 3: game most anticipated, maybe you know, the most intriguing matchup,
Speaker 3: and it played out that way.
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. Once again, they start zero to two.
Speaker 3: They had every right and opportunity to win this ball game,
Speaker 3: but just did not make the one play that needed
Speaker 3: to be made. It was we'll start there, Buck, I
Speaker 3: guess I can go with you first. It is past interference.
Speaker 3: People lose their minds about it. Chiefs have won back
Speaker 3: to back Super Bowls three out of four. I get
Speaker 3: all that that was a legit penalty. This was a
Speaker 3: game the Bengals had to win, had it right in
Speaker 3: front of them, just didn't finish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta finish the game.
Speaker 4: And I mean in the odds when you turn the
Speaker 4: ball over three times, it's really hard to win it
Speaker 4: this league. And this was a game that was right
Speaker 4: there or set upon a platter for the Bengals to
Speaker 4: take advantage of it, and they didn't. And it's one
Speaker 4: of those things that we'll look back at the end
Speaker 4: of the year, whether they get into postseason or not,
Speaker 4: or if they were what seed they earned.
Speaker 2: They're gonna regret giving this one away.
Speaker 4: But if you're the Kansaity Chiefs, I just liken it
Speaker 4: to Andy Reid and the Chiefs have mastered the art
Speaker 4: of winning. There is something about when you win games
Speaker 4: and you're used to winning, it just continues to kind
Speaker 4: of build that confidence or that know how to get
Speaker 4: it done. And that's what I see when I look
Speaker 4: at the Kancity Chiefs. No matter the situation and that circumstance,
Speaker 4: they have enough in that that that bank, that mental
Speaker 4: bank of how to win, and they get it done.
Speaker 4: And it's gonna be hard to knock them out because
Speaker 4: the two time champs just continue to find ways to
Speaker 4: win games.
Speaker 5: I think I look at a cause and effect in
Speaker 5: this one. DJ Bucky, I get your your thoughts on this, guys.
Speaker 5: I think we started to see the armor come off
Speaker 5: of the rookie left tackle Kingsley Suamatia in this game
Speaker 5: against Yeah, I got bench late in the game one
Speaker 5: Ye Morris had to come in and Morris, I mean
Speaker 5: almost helped him lose the game, negated a you know,
Speaker 5: a twenty one yard catch by Rashid Rice with illegal
Speaker 5: hands to the face, little tikie tacky. But can't can't
Speaker 5: put yourself in a position like that late in the
Speaker 5: game when you're trying to go down there and win it.
Speaker 5: And eventually they did get bailed out by the p
Speaker 5: I on the Bengal side of things that allow for
Speaker 5: the Bucker game winner. But Trey Hendrickson, you know, thirty
Speaker 5: two percent pressure rate this week, highest in the league,
Speaker 5: and he leads the league through two weeks. So it's
Speaker 5: not just Kingsley that's a dang good player out there
Speaker 5: on that edge for But he had his way with
Speaker 5: Kingsley Suamati in this game at two sacks coming off
Speaker 5: that edge and you know, obviously forced the line up
Speaker 5: change there. But here's the thing, like the cause and
Speaker 5: effect part, right, either Andy Reid and companies saw something
Speaker 5: in this Bengals defense that they wanted to run the
Speaker 5: football or they did not want to subject Kingsley to
Speaker 5: any further issues with Trey Hendrickson and subject Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 5: any further its because they ran the ball very well
Speaker 5: in this game all the way up until the point
Speaker 5: where Isaiah Pacheco left the game with what is now
Speaker 5: known as a you know, fractured ankle, going to be
Speaker 5: out six to eight weeks.
Speaker 6: He had nineteen carries in this game for ninety yards.
Speaker 5: Carson Steel had seven carries in this game and was
Speaker 5: getting some big carries late in the game to try
Speaker 5: to ice this thing. So, you know, I think that
Speaker 5: part of it DJ probably goes hand in hand with
Speaker 5: how we saw the Chiefs operate. Because anytime you're seeing
Speaker 5: you know, Travis Kelcey get three targets in a game
Speaker 5: and only one catch, you know that they were doing
Speaker 5: some things on the ground or trying to minimize some
Speaker 5: things through the air.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not in the camp that's surprised that Kingsley
Speaker 3: Suamtea is having difficulties.
Speaker 2: I thought he was a project, you know. That's why
Speaker 2: I was a little bit surprised he went as high
Speaker 2: as he did.
Speaker 3: He was my one hundred and first player, so I
Speaker 3: he was my fourteenth tackle in the draft and now
Speaker 3: the he looks great on paper with six ozho four
Speaker 3: five three twenty six, he's got thirty four and change arms.
Speaker 3: He ran a five oh four to forty. He is
Speaker 3: you know, he's very quick footed. Going through my notes,
Speaker 3: he's thick, he's proportioned, he's got quicks going to the
Speaker 3: second level. He's pretty good in space. He just ducks
Speaker 3: his head a lot at the point of attack, and
Speaker 3: his hands are very poor. Like there was a lot
Speaker 3: of work that needs to be done with his hands,
Speaker 3: so you know they're going to try and work on
Speaker 3: that and try and fix that the best they can.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was pretty It showed you how
Speaker 3: important that game was to them, that they hooked him,
Speaker 3: you know, as someone who they had put their trust in,
Speaker 3: you know, right out to shoot that they weren't going
Speaker 3: to watch that horror show anymore with with the struggles
Speaker 3: he was having against Trey Hendrickson. So interesting from that standpoint.
Speaker 3: On the other side, Cincinnati Buck, they I believe they're
Speaker 3: one in nine in their first two games of the
Speaker 3: season since Joe Burrow's been there. Like they just have
Speaker 3: this way of just kind of starting out low before
Speaker 3: they find their footing and they'll then they'll get it going.
Speaker 3: But they're not whole right now roster wise, or not
Speaker 3: totally healthy. Offensively, Chases Gollie. He very frustrated. That was
Speaker 3: a costly penalty in that game. He's got to get
Speaker 3: his emotions under check a little bit. But you'll see
Speaker 3: Vosh having a good game for them. I guess I
Speaker 3: say this because I've seen it in the past. I
Speaker 3: don't really worry about them. I think they're going to
Speaker 3: be fine. I think they're going to be Okay, that's
Speaker 3: the defending champ. They didn't play their best and should
Speaker 3: have won the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what's interesting about that.
Speaker 4: You talk about the slow stars and how what one
Speaker 4: and nine and the Joe Burrow era, and we always
Speaker 4: talk about AH to two start being a death sentence,
Speaker 4: but when you really think about it, I mean, you
Speaker 4: have seventeen games. There's plenty of opportunity for the schedule
Speaker 4: to kind of come back to you where you have
Speaker 4: an opportunity to close ground and do those things I
Speaker 4: do want to win. You're Zach Taylor and the approach
Speaker 4: that they have taken throughout the preseason where they don't
Speaker 4: really play their guys. They're not really physical, and we
Speaker 4: have talked about the Kan City Chiefs who jump out
Speaker 4: on people because they do play there guys.
Speaker 2: You would like to start out faster, but you do
Speaker 2: know as a marathon not a sprint. It just kind of.
Speaker 4: Cuts some of the cushion that the Bengals have in
Speaker 4: terms of having a couple of hiccups later in the year.
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to be playing their best.
Speaker 4: Once we get into the muss of November December to
Speaker 4: be able to kind of secure a playoff berth and
Speaker 4: to be one of the teams that we thought it
Speaker 4: would be, which would be.
Speaker 2: A top team.
Speaker 3: It's a team that when you get over to the
Speaker 3: Kansas City side of things, is going to be without
Speaker 3: Isaiah Pacheco.
Speaker 2: I'd believe was six to eight weeks coming off of
Speaker 2: surgery coming out of that game.
Speaker 3: So gonna be a little more steel action there for
Speaker 3: the Kansas City chiefsrtt. Let's get to the next one here.
Speaker 3: Maybe one of the big surprises of the day Vegas
Speaker 3: going on the road. They lose to Jim Harbaugh and
Speaker 3: they go on the road and they beat John Harball,
Speaker 3: which puts the Ravens at zero to two for the
Speaker 3: first time since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think the guy that you're going to talk about
Speaker 5: here in a minute, Brock Bauers at a big, big,
Speaker 5: big say in the Raiders comeback effort there in the
Speaker 5: fourth quarter in this game, at four straight scoring drives
Speaker 5: to end the game.
Speaker 6: That's winning football right there if the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 5: Now for the Ravens, I kind of looked at that side,
Speaker 5: what do we see him with this, you know, Baltimore offense,
Speaker 5: what do we see?
Speaker 6: This is I think what they want to look like.
Speaker 5: I mean, had twenty seven attempts on the ground, went
Speaker 5: for five yards of carry. I mean Lamar was I
Speaker 5: think five carries forty five yards is about right what
Speaker 5: you want to see from him. And I think ultimately
Speaker 5: this comes down to an interception, a turnover that you know,
Speaker 5: Rashad Bateman probably should have caught for the Ravens. Tough catch,
Speaker 5: but it goes right into the arms of robertsplane and
Speaker 5: so they turn it over that way. They made some
Speaker 5: you know, they had a real hard time converting third
Speaker 5: downs in the fourth quarter and extending drives and staying
Speaker 5: on the field to try to put this game out
Speaker 5: of reach. And so I went back and looked at
Speaker 5: what happened on the early downs to force those third
Speaker 5: down situations, and they had some critical errors on two
Speaker 5: drives that ended in three and outs. They had a
Speaker 5: second down where essentially like a read option with Lamar
Speaker 5: he pulls it, he's about to take it, and Mark
Speaker 5: Andrews has a one on one block.
Speaker 6: With looks like a corner and just kind of whiffs it.
Speaker 5: Or there was maybe some miscommunication about what was happening,
Speaker 5: and that corner just has an easy layup to bring
Speaker 5: Lamar down right there, and so they're in a third,
Speaker 5: you know, a third down situation. They don't get next
Speaker 5: one right guard completely misses Crosby on a stunt and
Speaker 5: Crosby just smashes Lamar for a second sack of the game.
Speaker 5: You just kind of can't have those on those early
Speaker 5: second downs, on those critical drives in the fourth quarter
Speaker 5: where you're trying to run the ball out and they
Speaker 5: didn't convert on third and thus giving the Raiders an
Speaker 5: opportunity to go find brock Bauers there d DJ.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bowers was awesome this second week in a row.
Speaker 3: And Buck I don't think that it was an exaggeration
Speaker 3: when I said it at the time. I thought he'd
Speaker 3: be their best offensive weapon this year. You're seeing it
Speaker 3: through a couple of games, his speed, his ability to
Speaker 3: line up all over the field. They've run a nice
Speaker 3: little seven man protection, you know, getting just a couple
Speaker 3: guys out in the route so they give menshoot time.
Speaker 3: They're able to get kind of that little wineback going
Speaker 3: backside off of a boot.
Speaker 2: They've hit that two weeks in a row.
Speaker 3: Hit it against the Chargers, hit it against the Ravens,
Speaker 3: getting Brock Bowers to ball in space, and for a
Speaker 3: team that doesn't have a ton, He's already proving himself
Speaker 3: to be a good selection there for Tom Tellusca with
Speaker 3: his first pick as the Raiders GM, yeah, he has.
Speaker 4: Proven to be a really good pick. And you can't
Speaker 4: go wrong with those offensive weapons. When you talk about
Speaker 4: a guy like Brock Borroughs who can do so many
Speaker 4: different things, and you know, the tied end position is
Speaker 4: one that is really tricky to scout and evaluate.
Speaker 2: But the things that we have found as those guys
Speaker 2: who are hyperds.
Speaker 4: On the perimeter who can do a lot lineup outside,
Speaker 4: lineup inside, play the traditional white or the flex while
Speaker 4: also taking the ball on handoffs, you can have a
Speaker 4: lot of success and a lot of fun with those
Speaker 4: and so I am not surprised to see the Raiders
Speaker 4: have success with him.
Speaker 2: Kind of as the focal point of the passing game.
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to seeing them expand their multi tied
Speaker 4: end packages and do some fun stuff to really make
Speaker 4: the tied end the primary option in their passing game.
Speaker 3: That's a big win. That's a big win for the
Speaker 3: Raiders going on the road and knocking off the Ravens.
Speaker 3: Buck you were there for the clash of the Clemson quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson. Look, this is a game that
Speaker 3: I think you can make a case both teams feel
Speaker 3: like you got to have this one. Your Jags don't
Speaker 3: come away with the Trevor Lawrence. Oh, and seven is
Speaker 3: last starts. At last seven starts. You see that little
Speaker 3: nug on the screen there. Let's start first of all, there,
Speaker 3: what the heck is wrong with your Jags?
Speaker 4: Dj I would equate it to a baseball player, a
Speaker 4: hitter being in a bad slump where you are out
Speaker 4: at your last twenty two at bats. But we know
Speaker 4: in life there's no such thing as momentum in terms
Speaker 4: of every interval at bat is a different experience, and
Speaker 4: so every game for the Jags is a different experience.
Speaker 4: But there feels like this heavy thing hanging over top
Speaker 4: of them because of the way they finished last season
Speaker 4: and the way that they lost in Week one, And
Speaker 4: so when you're on the sideline, you see a team
Speaker 4: that doesn't have that same confidence and swagger as you
Speaker 4: would think early in the year because most teams look
Speaker 4: their teams to start oh and one, but then week
Speaker 4: two you bounced right back, but it seemed like there
Speaker 4: was more weighing them down than just a and oh
Speaker 4: and one start where you kind of fell apart in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. This is a team that really needs
Speaker 4: their stars to play like stars, and Trevor Lawrence obviously
Speaker 4: is the biggest star. I will say, Trevor lawrence evolution
Speaker 4: and maturation as a leader came out. I saw him
Speaker 4: verbally chastise his teammates and encourage them. Hey man, we
Speaker 4: got to get the communication right because there's so many
Speaker 4: pre snap penalties and little things.
Speaker 2: That should be cleaned up by now.
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence spoke out about that, and as he continues
Speaker 4: to kind of grow into his role as the leader
Speaker 4: of the team, he has to check people like that.
Speaker 2: They're struggling right now. Offensively.
Speaker 4: Defensively they're playing pretty well, but right now, Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 4: in this offense, they got to get going and he
Speaker 4: needs his best players Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram, Travis Cittienn
Speaker 4: to help him. Because I will say this, when you
Speaker 4: see the CA that's Brian Thomas Junior that he made
Speaker 4: on Denzel Award down the field. DJ, the replay doesn't
Speaker 4: give it justice because you watched it field level. When
Speaker 4: you're looking at wide receivers, you always are trying to
Speaker 4: look at how they accelerate when the ball is in
Speaker 4: the air. This gear that BTJ has is remarkable. He
Speaker 4: has the potential to be really special in this league.
Speaker 4: He has just scratched the surface on how good he
Speaker 4: can be as a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 6: I kept watching that one.
Speaker 5: In fact, Bucky, I was like that the adjustment to
Speaker 5: that ball, just the way that that thing, I mean,
Speaker 5: that thing was, I mean was humming, and that was
Speaker 5: really impressive.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of times when we see games
Speaker 5: like this, the team puts up thirteen points, like, ah,
Speaker 5: you know, no explosive plays, They're just thinking and dunking.
Speaker 6: It all over the place.
Speaker 5: They had five explosive plays that accounted for one hundred
Speaker 5: and seventy two yards of their passing offense in this game,
Speaker 5: and so you take those out and outside of those plays,
Speaker 5: DJ treumbor Lawrence.
Speaker 6: Is nine of twenty six about forty yards. So it's
Speaker 6: like the opposite right, Like.
Speaker 5: They couldn't figure out maybe the layups is kind of
Speaker 5: what it felt like in this one. So I mean, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: they had the big plays, but they got to make
Speaker 5: the routine ones too, no doubt and quickly on Deshaun,
Speaker 5: much better game for him. Buck and I were talking
Speaker 5: before we got started here today about looked like he
Speaker 5: found a little bit of the swagger that had been missing.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting to see.
Speaker 3: Also, you know, mechanical stuff that I mentioned last week
Speaker 3: about sinking a little too much, sinking into throws and
Speaker 3: not being up up a little more upright, not getting
Speaker 3: so low and crouched and kind of losing losing his
Speaker 3: balance so to speak, that was a little bit better
Speaker 3: this week as well. So good for good for the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Brown's a good win for them over the Jacks.
Speaker 3: Last game here, Buck Washington and the New York Giants,
Speaker 3: the Giants stumble, Jayden Daniels gets his first win. A
Speaker 3: very quick, efficient game from him going through that tape,
Speaker 3: a chance to see him just get the ball out
Speaker 3: of his hands, get it where it needs to go,
Speaker 3: let guys run after the catch.
Speaker 2: I thought, Cliff.
Speaker 3: Kingsbury, someone who does understand the quick game, the screen game,
Speaker 3: you know, think about his background and where he came
Speaker 3: from with Mike Leach did a nice job of that.
Speaker 3: And I also thought, you know, he took sacks, but
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes I feel like sacks we view as negatives.
Speaker 3: And obviously as a veteran, you throw the ball away,
Speaker 3: but I'll take sacks over forces over forcing.
Speaker 2: Ball into harm's way. He avoided that. He did avoid that.
Speaker 4: And you know the other thing that I like about
Speaker 4: Jon Daniels, I like the way they utilized his running
Speaker 4: ability we saw in the clip, like just kind of
Speaker 4: the way they were able to pull it and have
Speaker 4: a little escort.
Speaker 2: Coming around the corner and doing some of those things.
Speaker 4: I also like the poise and him getting his first game,
Speaker 4: I guess game winning victory or whatever you want to
Speaker 4: call it.
Speaker 2: But they need to score touchdowns. They can't keep selling
Speaker 2: for field goals, but to be able to.
Speaker 4: Win again against the division rival. As a young quarterback
Speaker 4: in your second start, you have to like that. Dan
Speaker 4: Winn certainly has plenty to build upon, but he has
Speaker 4: alike where his young quarterback, how is young quarterback is progressive?
Speaker 5: I just got one thing on this one, and it
Speaker 5: was the quote from Dan Quinn after what this team's
Speaker 5: been through.
Speaker 6: I'm not about making field goals, and they.
Speaker 5: Made seven, so I would agree, you know you gonna
Speaker 5: get your first win of the season.
Speaker 6: I'd kick seventeen field goals if that's what it took.
Speaker 5: And so credit to Austin Cyber for making seven field
Speaker 5: goals like that is incredible and obviously you'd like to
Speaker 5: turn some of those into touchdowns, but I thought that
Speaker 5: was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Well, I will add this to finish it up with
Speaker 3: the Giants. Make sure that I get the number right here,
Speaker 3: because I was going for the tape. It jumped out
Speaker 3: to me. I mentioned the Panthers and the bewilderment of
Speaker 3: having traded up to get xavierly Get and then not
Speaker 3: throwing him one target in that game. Hey, the Giants
Speaker 3: know they've got one in elite neighbors and they're not
Speaker 3: affair to wear him out.
Speaker 2: Eighteen targets eighteen.
Speaker 3: Ten for a buck twenty seven and the speed is real,
Speaker 3: the shallow crossers getting in out of breaks. He is dynamic,
Speaker 3: he is going to be fun. So for a team
Speaker 3: that desperately needed a guy like this, he's just what
Speaker 3: the doctor ordered and didn't result in the win. But
Speaker 3: I applaud them for feeding him the rock, something that
Speaker 3: you know, some of these other teams got to figure out.
Speaker 3: You got your best players, your best athletes, give him
Speaker 3: the ball, give him a chance. And that's what Brian
Speaker 3: Daball did with Malik Neighbors. All Right, that was a
Speaker 3: jam packed show, went through a zillion games. It was
Speaker 3: a fun weekend Week two. Looking forward to the rest
Speaker 3: of the week, we got some great guests coming up
Speaker 3: on the show. I will leave those for you to
Speaker 3: figure out, but it's college football related.
Speaker 2: You're gonna enjoy it. Fun week here at Moon to six.
Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.
Speaker 4: Yeah,