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Speaker 1: This is the first time I've gotten something right. And

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Speaker 1: I don't mean just this show Campsy Media March Rory.

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Speaker 2: If you were arrested for a serious crime, let's say,

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Speaker 2: armed robbery. Okay, what's the best alibi you could possibly.

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Speaker 1: Come up with for armed robbery? Yeah? Well I probably

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Speaker 1: couldn't say I needed the money. Oh wait, is the

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Speaker 1: alibi is where I was? Yeah? Exactly. I guess the

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Speaker 1: motive would be I needed the money, which everyone's motive.

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Speaker 1: Oh I thought you said motive. I believe you confessed

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Speaker 1: we got you got him? My alibi I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I guess my alibi could be I was. I was

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Speaker 1: in another country. I was in Europe, so it couldn't

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Speaker 1: have been me. I have the hardest thing to prove.

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Speaker 1: What were you doing in Europe? What people do there? Cigarettes? Wine, bread, cheese?

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Speaker 1: Fall in love with psych? I fell in yes, felling

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Speaker 1: in love with psych. It's like, who cares? It's like whatever.

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Speaker 2: I mean, It's not bad, but it's not as good

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Speaker 2: as the one a guy in Texas gave after he

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Speaker 2: went through a trial, was convicted of armed robbery and

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Speaker 1: Already Texas, So it's already gonna be bigger. It's already

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Speaker 1: gonna be bigger and better.

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Speaker 2: So that whole time, the poor guy insisted on his innocence.

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Speaker 2: He was not the masked figure in the video footage

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Speaker 2: prosecutors used, not the guy an eyewitness swore was the suspect.

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Speaker 2: But this dude never once played his trump card that

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Speaker 2: he couldn't possibly have done this very serious crime that

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, interesting, that would be the best alibi. I'm

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Speaker 1: already a pretty I'm already in jail.

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Speaker 2: Feels pretty ironclads, Yeah, literally and figuratively. This incredible story

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Speaker 2: of the Texas man who was convicted and sentenced to

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Speaker 2: life in prison because he flat out forgot that he

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Speaker 2: had the best possible alibi available. After the break This

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Speaker 2: week on Crime Liss, ironclad Alibis and the people who

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Speaker 1: Where was the dun un done? Oh sir, Do I

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Speaker 1: do it every time? No? Not every time?

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to Crime List, the podcast that

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Speaker 2: celebrates the amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals and

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Speaker 2: teaches us valuable lessons about remembering where we were at

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Speaker 2: all times in case that information should later become important,

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Speaker 2: like when you're wrongfully accused of a crime. I'm Josh

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Speaker 2: Deine and I am Murray Scovil, So Rory. This is

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Speaker 2: a story that follows an unusual path for a crime narrative.

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Speaker 2: It starts out sad, it's a tragedy of sorts, but

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Speaker 2: has a happy ending. Oh okay, I just need to

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Speaker 2: say all that here at the top, because we're not

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Speaker 2: a show that aspire us to tug heart strings or

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Speaker 2: to inspire emotional campaigns to free the wrongfully convicted.

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Speaker 1: But we are a show that aspires to give happy endings.

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Speaker 1: Hey now, I mean it was right there.

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Speaker 2: So we're here to talk about weird crime stuff you

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Speaker 2: almost couldn't make up, and this one certainly qualifies.

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Speaker 1: Let me set the stage for you. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Back on December thirteenth, two thousand and nine, a young

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Speaker 2: man enters a T Mobile store in Houston, Texas, armed

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Speaker 2: assault cops pretty quickly center their investigation on a thirty

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Speaker 2: four year old dude named Ladandrel Montgomery, and there was

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Speaker 2: good reason to look at La Dondrell. He'd a long

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Speaker 2: Less than a year after his arrest. In November twenty ten,

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Speaker 2: Ladndrell is put on trial and convicted, largely because of

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Speaker 2: preparing his apeace because he's been convicted, Ladndrel's attorney, Ronald Ray,

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Speaker 2: He literally could not have committed the crime because he

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Speaker 1: Oh Man.

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Speaker 2: He'd been arrested on a domestic violence charge on December eleventh,

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Speaker 2: frankly that it took this long. Both sides are spectacularly incompetent.

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Speaker 2: The prosecutor, Alison Bainbridge, blamed Ladndrel, saying that he testified

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Speaker 2: Sit down and set up a defense, isn't this the

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Speaker 1: Rather than free Ldandre.

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Speaker 2: And most worries about the case make one point that's

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Speaker 2: to see if the Dondrel has managed to stay out

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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for him. Oh, I thought that was going

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Speaker 2: Not yet, but maybe he'll be inspired by this episode

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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, don't forget even at Crime List we're assuming

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you go into the wrong massage parlor and

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Speaker 2: assume maps, you'll get yourself in jail. Rory, all right,

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Speaker 2: on the subject of incredible alibi stories, I want to

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Speaker 2: This one is a man from Chicago who is exposed

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Speaker 1: And it's a banger man. Oh nice. It's about a

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Creeve who got a whole mess of moving violations, speeding,

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Speaker 1: It was a speeding ticket.

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Speaker 1: he well had to do? The red flag that's popping

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Speaker 2: I feel like you often get inside the mind of

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Speaker 1: The throes of it. So he was a cop himself. Yes, God,

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Speaker 2: So the first occurrence reporters could find of this was

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Speaker 2: December twenty thirteenth, that's nine years before the last one,

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Speaker 2: when a judge asked Creeve why he was contesting a ticket.

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Speaker 2: Here's the first one they could find on record. My

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Speaker 2: days prior after I broke up with her. I filed

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Speaker 2: a police report that it was stolen, and they recovered

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Speaker 2: it approximately a week after the fact. He said, here's

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Speaker 1: And as any of that slightly true, like wouldn't they

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Speaker 2: I think his buddies were just like he was making

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Speaker 2: because it's isn't Chicago to corrupt to the core. Lane

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Speaker 2: Covering crime stories for too long when you have a

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Speaker 1: Oh I like that even more.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of yeah, a little bit of juice

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Speaker 2: This feels like we've probably wandered pretty far from the

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Speaker 2: Wan Catalan had an alibi. He couldn't have murdered Martha

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Speaker 1: Larry Davis LD you see Rory.

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Speaker 2: Larry's show Curb Your Enthusiasm was also shooting at Dodger

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Speaker 1: Do you remember it? No? I don't? All right.

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Speaker 2: Basically the plot, Larry's supposed to go to a Dodgers game,

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Speaker 1: Okay, I like this setup lane. He got a clip

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 3: You wrote it, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, Hello and welcome back to Crimeless. You're one stop

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Speaker 2: shop for ridiculous album. I just want to say for

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Speaker 1: Should you ever need one, and I it would be

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Speaker 2: at a Nickelback show? Is that a data joke? Is

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Speaker 2: Nickelback too old of it? What's today's Nickelback?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Good question? Benson boon Benson boone, Yes, good one.

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Speaker 1: He does backflips he does, Laane, good choice, Thank you. Ory.

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Speaker 1: Do you know are you familiar with the oover of

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Speaker 1: Benson Boone? I'm not.

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Speaker 3: He had a pretty big moment. He was pretty big

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Speaker 3: at the beginning of the summer.

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Speaker 1: I think he's Mormon, he will yeah, well he checks

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Speaker 1: all the boxes for me so far. He wears like

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Speaker 1: silver one piece like jump suits. I think I've seen

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Speaker 1: clips of him doing a backflip. You have, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: for sure have yep.

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Speaker 2: His his jumpsuits are a little tight for my liking,

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Speaker 2: and they're usually like shiny yep.

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Speaker 1: Some people like them kind of what I have on

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Speaker 1: underneath what I'm currently wearing. What if we start wearing

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Speaker 1: silver one piece? Look, Tapings, this show can go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: It can only grow from here. It has to grow

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Speaker 1: all right, Lane, what do you have for us this week?

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Speaker 3: Today? So we've heard some some good alibi some of

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Speaker 3: the best ones, and I want to do a roundup

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Speaker 3: of some of the worst ones, the flimsiest ones.

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Speaker 1: Today on Lane's Games.

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Speaker 3: Waiting for that. So I'm just going to read you

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Speaker 3: some some setups and you have to tell me what

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Speaker 3: their excuses or albis were for why they didn't do it,

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Speaker 3: and they did do it as a as.

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Speaker 2: A close, Oh so they did do it. We are

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Speaker 2: making up albis that.

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Speaker 3: You're trying to guess what bad alibi they Okay.

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Speaker 1: Which ones they provided? Yeah? Okay, all right.

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Speaker 3: First one, an Indiana woman was caught in bezzling fifteen

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars worth of benefits from the state Department of Education.

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Speaker 3: What was her explanation? What was her excuse?

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Speaker 2: How do you embezzle benefits? I'm confused already.

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Speaker 1: Do we each get one question? It's not fair if

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Speaker 1: Josh is allowed a question.

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Speaker 3: A question she stole money?

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Speaker 1: So she so she did agree that she did do it.

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Speaker 1: We're answering she said, this is why she said she

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Speaker 1: did it, or she's saying I couldn't have done it because.

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Speaker 3: She said she couldn't have done it because oh, okay.

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Speaker 1: She couldn't have done it because she has religious for

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Speaker 1: religious reasons, she doesn't acknowledge money, the existence of that.

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Speaker 2: And my guess is because she forgot her passport and

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Speaker 2: couldn't log into her computer.

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Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Both those are wrong. She said it was

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Speaker 3: her evil twin oh.

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Speaker 1: So much better classic great one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Josh, it's because somebody at the Department of

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Speaker 3: Education noticed that there was fifteen thousand dollars missing from

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Speaker 3: the Childcare Development Fund.

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Speaker 1: So she just stole it, well, from the kids fund. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's always what gets you when you steal from kids.

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Speaker 3: Next up. In twenty eleven, the police were called on

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Speaker 3: Thomas Stroup, a twenty year old who had been reported

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Speaker 3: drinking too much in picking fights. They found him pass

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Speaker 3: out in his trailer. When he woke, he slurred his

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Speaker 3: Albi in a fake Russian accent. What was it?

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Speaker 1: So he's being accused of getting in fights?

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Speaker 3: He was just the Yeah he was. He was picking fights,

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Speaker 3: being disorderly conduct.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't do it because he can't walk. He's handicapped. Disabled.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Josh, always taking it to places no one expected.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't have done it because he doesn't speak the

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Speaker 1: language of combat. Take that, Josh, that's very interest.

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Speaker 2: You can use the word eloquent if you Okay, it

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Speaker 2: was eloquent, well done work.

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Speaker 3: He told cops he was a werewolf. He was scratched

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Speaker 3: by a wolf on a trip to Germany and he

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Speaker 3: was changing in the moon.

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Speaker 1: Oh so he did do it, but he was a

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Speaker 1: were wolf.

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Speaker 3: It was his werewolf.

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Speaker 2: Is that a I need to see some legal precedent.

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Speaker 3: Is that a albi?

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Speaker 1: My werewolf other self did it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I guess this is just like excuses. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what what what would you call? What's the legal

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Speaker 3: term for saying like lies?

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Speaker 1: These are? This is a lie? These are called aliblies,

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Speaker 1: all right?

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Speaker 3: Another one a twenty eight year old man in Sweden

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Speaker 3: who's known as the Lama Man because of his signature

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Speaker 3: move spitting in folks faces like a lama. During one

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Speaker 3: of his outbursts at a hospital, he strangled one guard

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Speaker 3: and dislocated the leg of another. What did he blame

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Speaker 3: on this outburst? Shit, it wouldn't be an alibi. I

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Speaker 3: guess this is one of his excuses.

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Speaker 1: Aliblies. Dislocated a leg, improper medication he was given. He

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Speaker 1: was given the wrong pills in its broadest terms. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the past. I don't.

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Speaker 2: Story is a good one. Well, I like your answer.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say he was drunk or something close.

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Speaker 3: I mean he it was a nutmeg induced frenzy, he said.

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Speaker 3: The nutmeg contains a psychoactive drug, which the Lama Man

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Speaker 3: blamed for his rage. He was eventually sentenced from a

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Speaker 3: multitude of charges.

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Speaker 1: Hard to not believe him.

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Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't him, It was the nutmeg that

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Speaker 3: did it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, think about the holidays. That's when you're

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Speaker 1: ingesting the most nutmeg, and that's when you get the

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Speaker 1: most furious at your family. True, that's when I dislocate

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Speaker 1: the most legs.

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Speaker 3: There you go, same relatable.

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Speaker 1: I believe him, I for one believe all these people.

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Speaker 2: What there's so many specific weirdos out there, Like someone

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Speaker 2: has spit so many times that he's been named the

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Speaker 2: Lama man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like kind of proud of.

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Speaker 3: Its Yeah, yeah, all right, got a couple more railroad

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Speaker 3: air say that ten times fast. Harry K Thaw shot

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Speaker 3: famed architect Stanford White in nineteen o six. He pleaded

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Speaker 3: not guilty on account of what.

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Speaker 2: He thought the gun was a was a blank? Was

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Speaker 2: a stage gun?

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Speaker 1: He God, I actually really liked that. Like he just

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Speaker 1: came from a production of something.

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Speaker 2: Rusted, produced by Alcobahala okay, Josh, always taking it to

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Speaker 2: places no one wanted it to go.

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Speaker 1: Can we edit that part out lane?

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Speaker 3: No, have to keep it in legally, we legally have.

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Speaker 1: To leave it in no cuts.

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Speaker 3: Nos video, Josh, this is the future.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to lanes Games raw edition. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what he did. Maybe he was possessed. He was possessed

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Speaker 1: by the ghost of a murderer, and it wasn't his fault.

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Speaker 3: Technically, both of those are wrong, but Rory is a

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Speaker 3: little closer. His lawyer said that he had dementia americana,

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Speaker 3: which is the species of insanity which makes every American

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Speaker 3: man believe the honor of his wife is sacred. Wow,

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Speaker 3: that's because Stanford White was cheating with Harry Cathee.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we could have used that information. Yeah, yeah, not.

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Speaker 3: That I'm reading that, I probably should include that in there.

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Speaker 1: You also could have said Americana dementia my favorite punk

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Speaker 1: rock group. You could have said they're going to be referenced.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, but yeah, he just loves his wife so

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Speaker 3: much she killed somebody else. Yeah, that's true love, all right.

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Speaker 3: Last one, and I think you guys this could you

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Speaker 3: could get one of these. It's kind of a popular

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Speaker 3: popular crime infamous Lizzie Borden. She was acquitted of murdering

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Speaker 3: her father and stepmother with a hatchet in eighteen ninety two.

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Speaker 3: What was her story. I'd accept many many alibis.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I want to go. I want to reuse

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Speaker 1: my possessed card because I feel like something's going to

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Speaker 1: add up here.

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Speaker 2: She she had a psychotic episode and she thought there

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Speaker 2: were trees.

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Speaker 1: Because she was also a butcher.

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Speaker 3: Hmm, a bunch of trees.

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00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a let's call a lumberjack. Well, call it

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Speaker 1: what you want. I'm old fashioned.

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Speaker 3: Final answer, locking it in, locking possessions. Okay, I would

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00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: have accepted. She was looking for sinkers for a fishing

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00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: trip in the barn. Not a fishing trip in the barn,

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00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: but a fishing trip. The sinkers were in the barn. Uh,

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00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: she wandered off and ate four pairs. She had gone

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Speaker 3: to look for iron to fix the window in their house,

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Speaker 3: and she was actually in the house when it happened,

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Speaker 3: but she just didn't hear anything. She couldn't have been there.

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Speaker 3: She couldn't have murdered them because she was like looking

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Speaker 3: for fishing, right.

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Speaker 2: Except for the except for the one where she was

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Speaker 2: there but she didn't hear it.

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00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that one was an alibi, not an alibi.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the real thinker of a game.

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Speaker 1: You're right, I think we were right about that. I

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Speaker 1: was confused throughout.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mission accomplished.

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Speaker 2: Confused generally how I feel throughout the day. I feel

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Speaker 2: generally confused. So yeah, all right, I think it's clear

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Speaker 2: that I want the truth, want truth lost the truth?

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Speaker 1: Yea, the truth will set you free, although not in

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Speaker 1: this case. They were acquitted and they were lied. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the great, No, what's gonna say.

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Speaker 3: Like, we're not lawyers. That's what I'm learning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we will be soon. You get a degree at

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Speaker 1: the end of season one. Yeah, if you're listened every episode.

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Speaker 2: God, all right, well, uh until next week. Crimeless is

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