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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri

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Speaker 1: with you. Let me tell you about Bobby Merrill as

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Speaker 1: a child and family therapist, parenting consultant, trauma treatment specialist.

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Speaker 1: He's also a best selling international author, as well as

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Speaker 1: a past contributor to an award winning relationship column for

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Speaker 1: the Honolulu Advertiser and a freelance relationship columnist with her husband,

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Speaker 1: doctor Tom Merrill, for Cox News and the New York

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Speaker 1: Times News Service. Bobby was honored in Honolulu Magazine at

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Speaker 1: the height of her career as one of Honolulu's most

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Speaker 1: successful women. Now a grandmother in a conscious female voice,

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Speaker 1: Bobby continues to remain passionate about inspiring all of us

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Speaker 1: or self included, to become our best selves in order

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Speaker 1: to create a kinder, much more just and joyful humanity

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Speaker 1: living in a kinder, much more simpler, joyful world. Bobby,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program. And I couldn't resist playing that

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Speaker 1: flipper opening for you. I noticed that I recognized it,

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Speaker 1: and I actually swam with some of the flipper dolphins

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Speaker 1: that Rickleberry trained, and they were in a pen. We

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Speaker 1: were sailing off in the Caribbean and they were in

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Speaker 1: a pen, and the man watching them let us get

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Speaker 1: in the water and swim with them. So they're gentle,

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Speaker 1: aren't they very? Very sweet? And I also heard they're

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Speaker 1: very intelligent. They're probably more intelligent than most humans. Well

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Speaker 1: that's the conclusion I came to after swimming in the

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Speaker 1: water with wild dolphins throughout the world, actually for ten years,

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Speaker 1: so I was in the water with them for thousands

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Speaker 1: at first I doubted, you know, some of the things

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Speaker 1: that I was seeing. I was skeptical, and they won

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Speaker 1: me over and then some and I realized, whoa, they're

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Speaker 1: way smarter than we are. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: evidence of that, and I got to experience a lot

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Speaker 1: of them. Wellthough they changed their life. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: But how did you first connect with dolphins in Wales?

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Speaker 1: How did that happen for you? Well, it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: I was born in Haii in the forties and at

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Speaker 1: that point, surprisingly, we didn't even realize we had dolphins

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Speaker 1: They weren't mentioned they're not really talked about in Hawaiian lore.

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Speaker 1: They talked more about the shark, and they might have

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Speaker 1: been seeing dolphins. I don't know the dolphins porpoise in.

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Speaker 1: The sharks swim in a straight line, so there's a difference.

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Speaker 1: You can't recognize that if you're you tuned into that.

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Speaker 1: But so I was born in the area where the

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Speaker 1: Makua dolphins that I swam with the spinners on Awah

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Speaker 1: we moved to Middletown further away from that, and I

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Speaker 1: you know, some sort of serendipitous connection with them throughout

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Speaker 1: my life. But it wasn't until I was close to

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Speaker 1: started with the captive dolphins at the Kohola Hotel on

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Speaker 1: with one of those, and then I later heard about

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Speaker 1: some people swimming with the dolphins. These mccua dolphins out

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Speaker 1: and they're powerful and they could, you know, whack you

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Speaker 1: with their tail. I've always said, Bobby, if they had

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Speaker 1: arms and fingers and thumbs, they could do incredible things. Well,

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Speaker 1: of that is you know, they draw bubble sculptures of

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Speaker 1: actually quantum quantum physics diagrams and UM that's been um

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Speaker 1: reported in Scientific American. Actually they show the bubbles and

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Speaker 1: people you can go online actually and see those bubbles,

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Speaker 1: they make different sounds Bobby, when they're happy, be when

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Speaker 1: and the excitement and spinners, of course can spin, so

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Speaker 1: They do that when they're doing healing work. They send

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Speaker 1: and you can feel them actually doing something with your body.

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Speaker 1: They have been known to heal tumors and they do

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Speaker 1: trauma treatment by used by UM. They send their son

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Speaker 1: or tapping. They tap our bodies. Geeze, are they aware

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Speaker 1: if we're sick? Oh? Yes they are. UM. I had

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Speaker 1: They they didn't cure him, and I was, you know,

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Speaker 1: we were all hopeful that they could. UM They do

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Speaker 1: That that's fascinating. But tell me about their healing properties.

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Speaker 1: What do you think they're doing well. It's interesting. I'm

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Speaker 1: So have you ever seen the dolphin to be violent.

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Speaker 1: what happened? I didn't in that situation. But another time,

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Speaker 1: We could feel that, we could feel the severity of

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Speaker 1: we can talk into a computer now, and if you

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Speaker 1: I have not heard of that. I bet that's next.

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Speaker 1: the Wild, Well after I had this experience, but it's

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Speaker 1: were very quiet underneath me and just very calm. And

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Speaker 1: And so when I said that, when I had that

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Speaker 1: they went back together. That's something. And they communicate with

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Speaker 1: communicate in terms of distance? What do you think? You know?

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Speaker 1: non local. It goes far, it doesn't it underwater it does.

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Speaker 1: And I was I was going down to Bimony to

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Speaker 1: what those would call, but to go to fly down

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