Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of shown me how
Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can
Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Shane Bak and joined as always by Marty Jerts,
Speaker 1: and we got a special guest today, Marty Jonathan Wall,
Speaker 1: longtime pal of mine, I know, a longtime friend of Ping's,
Speaker 1: of course from golf dot com. He's been all over
Speaker 1: the internet over the years and also host the Fully
Speaker 1: Equipped podcast. And you're listening to this podcast. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: you get into that as well. But Marty, I know
Speaker 1: you're playing some hot golf as of late, Jay Wall
Speaker 1: playing any golf. Is this a world you're you're existing
Speaker 1: in or is it just parenting and talking about equipment.
Speaker 3: It's definitely the latter. Right now. The golf on the
Speaker 3: golf course is non existent. Lots of testing, but it's
Speaker 3: kind to the point where I can't even get to
Speaker 3: the range some days. So have the launch monitor, have
Speaker 3: the net? Yeah, it's it's It is definitely not the
Speaker 3: days of playing golf on a golf course. Right now
Speaker 3: with the kiddos chasing me around.
Speaker 1: Well, I've decided, you know, we're going to talk today
Speaker 1: about ping equipment, kind of historically talk about ping equipment.
Speaker 1: We're talking about our favorite ping clubs. We talk about
Speaker 1: some historic golf shots that are hit. Marty's going to
Speaker 1: give us some insights into some of the ones that
Speaker 1: we're gonna mention over the years and decades of ping
Speaker 1: equipment that kind of has popped, if you will. And
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. You know, there was a
Speaker 1: main floating around a few months ago, and it was
Speaker 1: it was basically men loved sitting around and talking to
Speaker 1: other men about old athletes. And I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this in kind of the golf world, and I think
Speaker 1: the golf equivalent to this is sitting around and talking
Speaker 1: about old golf clubs, you know, throwing out a name
Speaker 1: of an old club to somebody that's a similar age, Jaywall,
Speaker 1: you and I are are similar age players, grew up
Speaker 1: in kind of the same era. I know, I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about some pin clubs that you attached yourself
Speaker 1: to as well. You've been covering the equipment side of
Speaker 1: things for the last what ten twelve years? Is there
Speaker 1: a ping club, Jonathan, that stands out to you, both
Speaker 1: maybe as a junior and also with somebody that's been
Speaker 1: in this face kind of paying attention to the specks
Speaker 1: of the clubs and talking to Marty about this as well.
Speaker 1: Are their clubs in the ping you know, atmosphere and
Speaker 1: ecosystem that stand out to you over the last couple
Speaker 1: of decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I think for me selfishly, I go
Speaker 3: back to the ping I, to the brilliant Coppers. You know,
Speaker 3: those are the irons. They were righty and Bacon. You
Speaker 3: and I are lefties, so you always always want what
Speaker 3: you can't have, And that was that first set where
Speaker 3: I'm like, God, these things look great. All my buddies
Speaker 3: are talking about them, they talk about how great they feel.
Speaker 3: And then they came out with the ping I side
Speaker 3: and those are in Lefty and I was in heaven.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I would take them out there with my blottas. Still
Speaker 3: have that the ping jay Z cushion shafts. I mean,
Speaker 3: you couldn't even feel the golf ball coming off the
Speaker 3: face because it was so buttery soft with that ballata.
Speaker 3: But those are those irons that I think backed as
Speaker 3: a kid like out on the golf course in Texas,
Speaker 3: one hundred and ten degree heat, just pounding balls. Those
Speaker 3: are the irons. And it's funny because I was going
Speaker 3: back and doing a little bit of research on these irons,
Speaker 3: and Tiger actually talked about in twenty eighteen at the
Speaker 3: Players Championship stealing his dad's brillium copper one iron and
Speaker 3: he said that was the iron that he used to
Speaker 3: perfect the stinger. So it's kind of cool that, like
Speaker 3: Tiger was using brilliant copper, I had an attachment to
Speaker 3: those irons. I'm pretty sure you did too, oh for sure,
Speaker 3: But for sure those were the irons for me that
Speaker 3: were like the apex, Like if I could get those,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a better player in man? Were
Speaker 3: they awesome?
Speaker 1: Marty? You know, you and I have talked a lot
Speaker 1: about the clubs that you've designed, which I think obviously
Speaker 1: hold a special place in your heart. Are there pin
Speaker 1: clubs that maybe you weren't involved in on the work side,
Speaker 1: that are stuck in the brain of Marty Jertsen that
Speaker 1: you love that you kind of like think back on,
Speaker 1: much like Jaywall touched on with the brilliums, Like, are
Speaker 1: there pin clubs that you'd think back on, like this
Speaker 1: was it? This was the one that I wanted as
Speaker 1: a kid. This was the one that I loved as
Speaker 1: a kid. This was the one when it got my bag,
Speaker 1: I was jazzed.
Speaker 4: Up to hit Man.
Speaker 2: I think I'm kind of with j Wall because growing up,
Speaker 2: I grew up in the small mining town and you know,
Speaker 2: being in Arizona a pretty close tie to ping, and
Speaker 2: all the good players at the course played itubes brilliant
Speaker 2: copper eye twos, So those I think my first very
Speaker 2: strong memory was brilliant copper eye twos. But Shane, I
Speaker 2: think going back, I think digging deep into my childhood
Speaker 2: and my first pink club was the B sixty putter.
Speaker 2: And you guys remember I remember Jim Colbert winning all
Speaker 2: those Champion Tours event and he's going like this, He's
Speaker 2: got his ping hecket had on. He's making all these
Speaker 2: putts with the B sixty and you know the shape
Speaker 2: of that is like a heart, you know, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of still has that visual association that I love
Speaker 2: that putter. That was my first ping club in my bag,
Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, I always think Jim Colbert that
Speaker 2: Putter sinking putts.
Speaker 1: OEM's Ping sponsors players, and you hope that something like
Speaker 1: that resonates Marty. We're gonna get into some of the
Speaker 1: historical golf shots hit with Ping clubs over the years.
Speaker 1: But Jonathan, I think one of the coolest parts, like
Speaker 1: I see Dustin Johnson now playing on Live and he's
Speaker 1: wearing non Adidas golf shoes and it kind of throws
Speaker 1: me for a loop right when it really works, when
Speaker 1: it really plays, when you have players like Bubba Watson
Speaker 1: or Louis Justeysen or Lorena Achoa that kind of attached
Speaker 1: themselves to the brand. You think of those players along
Speaker 1: with the clubs they use. Do you have somebody like
Speaker 1: the Colbert side for Marty that makes sense to you
Speaker 1: in that world for Ping? You know, like maybe it's
Speaker 1: a Bubba Watson with the pink driver that just popped
Speaker 1: for years that almost felt more than a partnership, almost
Speaker 1: more than a relationship, almost like Lebron or MJ with Nike.
Speaker 3: It's weird because I think a lot of people would
Speaker 3: probably say, like Bubba, he's attached to Ping. But for me,
Speaker 3: I think about like on Hell Cabrera like him just
Speaker 3: like just smoking heaters, going down the fairways at the
Speaker 3: US Open, Like that's a guy or or Miguel I
Speaker 3: mean him on the driving range doing his warm routine.
Speaker 3: Like just like some of these characters, I feel like
Speaker 3: that they kind of resonate with you. You see him
Speaker 3: and it's like, that's a Ping guy. Like I've seen
Speaker 3: him play Ping stuff, I've seen him win with it.
Speaker 3: I think the winning part, obviously is what attaches him.
Speaker 3: Like there are so many guys out there that have
Speaker 3: had a lot of success with Ping clubs, and they've
Speaker 3: had long term success that you realize it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this guy's a lifer, and I think that's more than anything.
Speaker 3: What I associate with Ping staffers is a lot of
Speaker 3: the guys that attach themselves to Ping aren't just there
Speaker 3: for like a brief minute. They're usually there for five,
Speaker 3: ten years, ten plus. I mean look above, But he's
Speaker 3: a lifetime Ping guy, signed a lifetime deal. So that's
Speaker 3: what I see with Ping is is that it's not
Speaker 3: just a guy who's like, Eh, you know, it's a
Speaker 3: hot club, I'm gonna try it. It's usually guys that
Speaker 3: play this stuff for a while they've been playing it
Speaker 3: for a while, and that's just what they druss.
Speaker 1: You know. Marty Jonathan brings up a great point on that,
Speaker 1: because that has been one of the most revealing parts
Speaker 1: of doing this podcast and getting a chance to interview
Speaker 1: so many of the players under the Ping brand and
Speaker 1: getting we get these note sheets sent for missying the
Speaker 1: team that are always incredible, and their deep dive note
Speaker 1: sheets that kind to help us out as we get
Speaker 1: ready for an interview. And it's crazy, almost every one
Speaker 1: of those sheets, Marty says, has played Ping since they're thirteen,
Speaker 1: you know, a part of the junior program since they
Speaker 1: were fifteen. I mean, we talk a lot about the
Speaker 1: Ping family, but the professionals that are part of Ping,
Speaker 1: to Jay Wall's point, they don't just pop in for
Speaker 1: a year or two. It feels like they're there for
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's pretty fun. It's how much we support the
Speaker 2: junior program and then how much trust we can build
Speaker 2: with our players as they go to turn professional. Especially
Speaker 2: in today's age, there's a lot of money being thrown
Speaker 2: around and a lot of competition out there, and just
Speaker 2: to know that, hey, we've serviced the players and the
Speaker 2: family and the brand takes such a holistic approach to
Speaker 2: helping players out in gaining that trust. I was gonna
Speaker 2: mention my association I have in my head Shane is
Speaker 2: with kind of the classic pink players, Calcubeccia, because you know,
Speaker 2: he won he won that waste management. He's using the
Speaker 2: Laker shaft, you know, and the TI aside driver at
Speaker 2: the time, and just blazing TPC Scottsdale in the rain
Speaker 2: that one year. That's, you know, a pretty strong association
Speaker 2: in my head.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned that driver, Marty, and we're going to
Speaker 1: get to this, and you already kind of mentioned the
Speaker 1: first pink club you had in your bag. I'm an
Speaker 1: asked Jay Wall next, the first pink club you put
Speaker 1: in his golf bag? Mine was that driver that you
Speaker 1: just mentioned, the TSI I had it. I had two heads,
Speaker 1: by the way, and I had the three wood in
Speaker 1: the bag and I played most of my high school
Speaker 1: and junior golf with that. The interesting thing, and I
Speaker 1: think Marty, we've touched on this before, but it was
Speaker 1: such an interesting slot to put the driver through that
Speaker 1: you had to take it back to someone that really
Speaker 1: knew how to take shafts out. Yes, if you wanted
Speaker 1: to replace the shaft. This was long before you got
Speaker 1: the tool out. Clicked it out and pulled the chef
Speaker 1: out in six seconds. And I remember I took it
Speaker 1: to a guy in Shreveport, Louisiana, said, Oh, I can
Speaker 1: do it, no big deal. I got a shop in
Speaker 1: the back. I can pull a shaft out if you
Speaker 1: wanted it. And I wanted to put the pro force
Speaker 1: the Lakers shaft in the driver, much like Kal did
Speaker 1: in Phoenix, Lo and Behold. I got it back and
Speaker 1: it was a big bubble on the back of like
Speaker 1: the whatever you'd call the slot that the shaft went into.
Speaker 1: The guy did not do a great job of throwing
Speaker 1: that in there. But that was my first introduction to
Speaker 1: ping clubs. That was my first driver in the bag.
Speaker 1: The head cover was iconic, kind of looks like the
Speaker 1: color of the hat I'm wearing right now. And that
Speaker 1: thing just played and it was one of my favorite
Speaker 1: drivers ever had. I played it for a long long time.
Speaker 1: Jay Wall. That was kind of one of those drivers
Speaker 1: that in high school in that era, like basically from
Speaker 1: what maybe two thousand or ninety nine to one, if
Speaker 1: you didn't have that driver in the bag. You were
Speaker 1: kind of looked upon as another kind of like not
Speaker 1: having a hook for bag, right, like everybody in AJGA
Speaker 1: tournament had the ISSI driver had a hook for bag,
Speaker 1: like that was part of being a great player at
Speaker 1: the time. Do you remember the first kind of ping
Speaker 1: bat you had in your bag as a kid? I
Speaker 1: was gonna say that the whiff of nostalgia right now
Speaker 1: on this podcast is very, very strong. Is just going
Speaker 1: out of our goateea right now.
Speaker 3: Geez, you mentioned pro for shaft and I'm like, God,
Speaker 3: I remember that shaft. I could not hit it, but
Speaker 3: I could not hit it for the life of me, though,
Speaker 3: but I still had to like jam it in the bag.
Speaker 3: I'm like, everybody has this thing. I got it at
Speaker 3: three would yeah, you know? For for me, I go
Speaker 3: back to I had a really old answer. I don't
Speaker 3: remember where I got it, but it had the sound
Speaker 3: slot yeah in the soul and it mean just again,
Speaker 3: just that distinct ping sound with the ball coming off.
Speaker 3: And It's funny because I've tried so many putters over
Speaker 3: the years, I still have this one, but I still
Speaker 3: use I mean, now I've got a little bit of
Speaker 3: a different I've got a pod answer to with some
Speaker 3: tongusten weights and the bumpers. It's a sweet it's a
Speaker 3: sweet butter. But if if I were going to go
Speaker 3: to something else, it would probably be the old one,
Speaker 3: just because again, it has that nostalgia attached to it,
Speaker 3: and it's such a classic putter. I mean, we're going
Speaker 3: to get into it, I'm sure, but look what's the
Speaker 3: most copied club out there. It's It's the Answer. It's
Speaker 3: the Answer style putter. I mean people know it by
Speaker 3: different names now, but that's an answer and it's always
Speaker 3: going to be that way. So yeah, for me, old Answer,
Speaker 3: it's still beat. I should pibly pull it out to
Speaker 3: show you the gashes in the face. It looks a
Speaker 3: little bit like the Tiger wand I think it's I've
Speaker 3: beaten on it a couple of times over the years.
Speaker 3: But yeah, just an awesome, awesome putter and such a
Speaker 3: cool sound to it.
Speaker 1: Jay, Well, we're gonna have to have you post that
Speaker 1: when this podcast drops. We'll have you post it on
Speaker 1: your Instagram story or something so that people can get
Speaker 1: a good look at the putter or the answer you're
Speaker 1: talking about, Marty. A little like sports trades, a lot
Speaker 1: of clubs come out, they all are part of the
Speaker 1: history of a of a company. Maybe not all of
Speaker 1: them are bangers. Ye, Like we've seen with certain trades
Speaker 1: in sports over the years. We tasked you with kind
Speaker 1: of going through some of the iconic pain innovations over
Speaker 1: the years, like the ones that really hit. So I
Speaker 1: want you to kind of run through some of those,
Speaker 1: and Jaywall and I might jump in at times when
Speaker 1: we have our kind of personal moments with the clubs
Speaker 1: you mentioned, but I kind of wanted you to run
Speaker 1: through some of the real marks and kind of the
Speaker 1: Ping's company in terms of club innovation over the last
Speaker 1: you know, thirty forty decades.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Shane, the one we kind of touched
Speaker 2: on already was the Tia side and the Tia side tech.
Speaker 2: And the reason why I bring those up is they
Speaker 2: were they were way ahead of their time, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think Ping is, actually we've actually done this
Speaker 2: quite a few times looking back at our history. Is
Speaker 2: we'll launch something to the market and it's you know,
Speaker 2: arguably it's a little too early, like it it's a
Speaker 2: little too innovative, and then these things come back maybe
Speaker 2: a decade later. So like with the with the tia
Speaker 2: as I, it was having adjustable hazzles, right. It was
Speaker 2: the fact that hey, we need to have one head
Speaker 2: and we want to have different you know, from a
Speaker 2: custom fitting standpoint, we want to be able to manipulate
Speaker 2: the lying goal and the loft and get somebody dialed in. Now, Yes,
Speaker 2: that embodiment, that solution of using the plastic causal was
Speaker 2: hard to do, hard to repair and things of that nature,
Speaker 2: but it was very innovative, you know. And it also
Speaker 2: created a super lightweight hozzle which is super important to
Speaker 2: lower the center gravity and do some things like that.
Speaker 4: So I think that whole Tiasi tia Side.
Speaker 2: Tech metalwood family was super innovative, even down to the
Speaker 2: Fairway wood in the player's used that fairy I.
Speaker 4: Know you had in the bag. I certainly had in
Speaker 4: the bag.
Speaker 2: I think of Miguel Jimenez had the three five seventy
Speaker 2: nine in the bag for probably over a decade. You know,
Speaker 2: had laser beams with the tias Side Tech fairrywood. That
Speaker 2: one was really cool because they have the hozzle system
Speaker 2: and then it had it was titanium body with a
Speaker 2: zirconium soul plate with a tungsten weight screwed into it.
Speaker 2: So it's like the amount of tech multi material and
Speaker 2: these were cast at a foundry up in Prescott, Arizona. Right,
Speaker 2: we manufactured them here in the US domestically. We did
Speaker 2: all the manufacturing engineering R and D here, So again,
Speaker 2: that one really sticks out in my mind in terms
Speaker 2: of that transition to titanium to multi material, to adjustable hozzles,
Speaker 2: to lowering the center of gravity. All this magic was
Speaker 2: kind of put in there into that family, Jay Wall.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear Marty say a little bit of
Speaker 1: ahead of his time, because something I have noticed with
Speaker 1: golf clubs as I've been in and around golf over
Speaker 1: the last couple of decades is when something new pops
Speaker 1: and it's unique and it's different than everything else you've seen,
Speaker 1: it's almost like a lembing group of people. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: now we've got to copy that, right, Like movable weights,
Speaker 1: I mean that was a company pop with movea weights.
Speaker 1: I mean, square drivers were a thing and then everybody
Speaker 1: had a square driver or a triangle driver. But it's
Speaker 1: so interesting to hear Marty say it's almost ahead of
Speaker 1: its time, and what the TSI was able to do
Speaker 1: for golfers because now you think about adjustability and that's
Speaker 1: in every basically every club you can you can purchase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's funny that he mentioned the the tie
Speaker 3: side driver because that for me, I can distinctly remember
Speaker 3: being on the range in high school and a buddy
Speaker 3: of mine, still a good buddy of mine from high school,
Speaker 3: he got the driver and he and we all like
Speaker 3: congregated around him as he's pulling the head cover off
Speaker 3: and like I swear that you could hear like angels
Speaker 3: singing from the heavens, and we're all just like wow,
Speaker 3: and it's like, hit it, hit it. We got to
Speaker 3: hear the sound, and so it is. It's it was
Speaker 3: one of those drivers that He's right, it was ahead
Speaker 3: of the time. And it's it's interesting because anytime something
Speaker 3: comes out that's different, everybody kind of goes eh, I
Speaker 3: don't know. And it is funny when when you start
Speaker 3: to see and again your success generally leads to interest
Speaker 3: not just from the pros but but from amateur golfers.
Speaker 3: And the second that you started to see that, drivers
Speaker 3: start to gain traction. You know, recreational golf first are
Speaker 3: clamoring for it that you know, the manufacturers out there,
Speaker 3: the non ping manufacturers are going, all right, what's going
Speaker 3: on with this driver? And that's when you you do,
Speaker 3: you start to see some of those technologies take hold,
Speaker 3: and before you know, everybody's doing it and there and
Speaker 3: everybody's claiming that they were the first. Yeah, pin Ping
Speaker 3: was definitely ahead of its time with that driver, but
Speaker 3: it was just such a distinct head. We were like, ah,
Speaker 3: this thing looks like a spaceship. It's it's huge, like
Speaker 3: you felt like you couldn't miss. But it was really
Speaker 3: it was the tech inside that that made it so unique.
Speaker 1: Marty, what was the difference in the tech side of
Speaker 1: that driver, because obviously that came out later. I know
Speaker 1: it had a different I think it had a different
Speaker 1: paint color as well to the to the top of
Speaker 1: the crown. What was the difference in the technology there,
Speaker 1: because that was, to me, was one of the first
Speaker 1: drivers that there was a secondary market, a secondary club
Speaker 1: coming out that kind of resemble the first one, yet
Speaker 1: it obviously had some some different personalities to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely on the driver. I mean, that was our
Speaker 2: first time doing a titanium driver with the tire side.
Speaker 2: That was the black one had that kind of a speckle,
Speaker 2: looked like kind of a bass boat, you know, on
Speaker 2: the top a little bit. And so the first time
Speaker 2: for us doing titanium driver it was it's very challenging
Speaker 2: and I think Shane I've talked about this. I think
Speaker 2: one of the biggest meta innovations in golf is the
Speaker 2: ability to cast titanium very thin. And now now in
Speaker 2: today's age, we're looking at, you know, adding other materials
Speaker 2: and getting real weight savings. But that first tire side
Speaker 2: the walls were really thick. For example, I think the
Speaker 2: crown thickness was like eighty thousands of an inch in
Speaker 2: which is, you know, four times thicker than we cast
Speaker 2: it now, right, you know, so we've been we've been
Speaker 2: able to four x the improvement and how thin we've
Speaker 2: been able to go with the wall. So when the
Speaker 2: TIA side tech came out, this was the silver top
Speaker 2: to it. Yeah, yea, yeah, that was thinning out wall thickness,
Speaker 2: improving the manufacturing, improving the casting, studying the durability, see
Speaker 2: where we could save some weight, and just like we're
Speaker 2: doing with the same physics principles, we are now improve
Speaker 2: the center of gravity increase the moment of inertia and
Speaker 2: pass that along.
Speaker 4: And then it was really fun to be able to
Speaker 4: to do what.
Speaker 2: I talked about in the Fairway Woods back then, which
Speaker 2: was all the multi material and that zirconium welded soul plate.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things about titanium. You can't really
Speaker 2: it's hard to join high density materials to it, so
Speaker 2: that's normally where we screw them together and things of
Speaker 2: that nature. But zirconium is actually an owl you can
Speaker 2: weld to titanium that's heavier density. So that was super
Speaker 2: innovative to bring that to the golf industry.
Speaker 1: All right, Marty, what else you got on the long
Speaker 1: list of great pain products?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Shane Man, there's so many. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's so many on the putter side of things. The
Speaker 2: answer putter, I think that one kind of maybe goes
Speaker 2: without saying, I mean, bring the cavity in the plumber's neck,
Speaker 2: I mean, just the classic shape to it. I think
Speaker 2: when I think about putters, I mean there's a lot
Speaker 2: of fun ones we've had specified putters, which was to
Speaker 2: be able to kind of build your own putter shape
Speaker 2: piece different things together. I think one that came to
Speaker 2: my mind though. That was really fun is when the
Speaker 2: Gnome putter came out and you know, Hunter Mayhon was
Speaker 2: winning the match play with this thing. We launched that
Speaker 2: also with our adjustable length telescoping shaft, and I think, again,
Speaker 2: when I think about putters, that one really stuck with
Speaker 2: me being able to pass along that adjustability. And when
Speaker 2: we launched that Noome, we had a long putter and
Speaker 2: folks were putting with a belly putter. Super important to
Speaker 2: be able to pass along that adjustable length to the
Speaker 2: end golfers. They could kind of dial in those those
Speaker 2: techniques themselves. That Gnome putter, also kind of talking about
Speaker 2: that family was aluminum and then it had this nano
Speaker 2: nickel alloy that coated it. And the demo of this
Speaker 2: was you could take like a ping pong ball cod
Speaker 2: it with this nano nickel material that the Gnome was
Speaker 2: coated with, and we did this. You could literally drive
Speaker 2: a car over it and it wouldn't crush. That's how
Speaker 2: strong this.
Speaker 1: Way crush wouldn't crush.
Speaker 4: The ping punk wouldn't crush it. So it was awesome.
Speaker 2: You could get You could take an aluminum alloy, which
Speaker 2: is normally pretty soft, your putter would get kind of
Speaker 2: dinged up. You know, it kind of has a distinct
Speaker 2: feel to it, and you could make it like the
Speaker 2: strongest material out there with this very thin uh nano
Speaker 2: nickel coating on it. So I don't know, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of tech plugged into that gnome with the adjustable length,
Speaker 2: and it was it was that's when Hunter was was
Speaker 2: dominating as well, So that's kind of again to tie
Speaker 2: it to a player and tour success was pretty fun.
Speaker 3: That was such a hot putter hundred.
Speaker 1: Hunter is a great person as well when you think
Speaker 1: about Ping. I mean when I think about Ping, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously his career maybe not as long as as some
Speaker 1: others that we think about, but I mean Hunter mayhem
Speaker 1: absolute monster's amit or player, collegiate player. And then when
Speaker 1: he burst on the scene. The thing I kind of
Speaker 1: remember about Hunter was that was the first jwall flat
Speaker 1: bill hat that a manufacturer made. Yeah, and I remember
Speaker 1: Ping sent me a couple. I mean, those bad boys
Speaker 1: were ironed flat, and I think they had like the
Speaker 1: under arm or u of a on the side, but
Speaker 1: they were full of Ping on the front. And I
Speaker 1: remember when they showed up. I got a lot aware
Speaker 1: on the on the on the Ping Hunter Mayhan.
Speaker 3: Ads, Yeah, definitely, the the hats that he had. It
Speaker 3: was kind of funny because that was around the time
Speaker 3: where where it was like, is Ping trying to trying
Speaker 3: to get with the young the young crowd here because
Speaker 3: it feels like they were trending that direction. But you know,
Speaker 3: I think about Mayhan's setup and I don't know if
Speaker 3: Marty was going to get to this one, I might
Speaker 3: be still in this thunder. But S fifty five yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, those those irons. I think about an iron
Speaker 3: that has had staying power. I honestly cannot name you
Speaker 3: another iron out there that has been around that long
Speaker 3: on the PGA tour. I mean, you think about Bubba Watson.
Speaker 3: I mean, how many times has he changed those irons out?
Speaker 3: I mean very seldom since they were released in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: Matt Fitzpatrick wins the twenty twenty two USO YEP with
Speaker 3: with S fifty five in the bag still. I mean
Speaker 3: we're talking about almost a decade after they you know,
Speaker 3: a decade after they were released. It it is amazing
Speaker 3: to me how how much that iron has taken hold
Speaker 3: and guys just can't get it out of the bag.
Speaker 3: Blueprint ass Blueprint t great irons. But there's something about
Speaker 3: that S fifty five that that guys just love the look,
Speaker 3: they love the feel to a prosa like that. Once
Speaker 3: they attach themselves to something and they've won with it,
Speaker 3: it's really difficult to get it out of the bag,
Speaker 3: especially when it is that good. But yeah, S fifty five,
Speaker 3: I remember Mayhand using those and and hey, look they're
Speaker 3: still around now. So it's it is. It's one of
Speaker 3: those irons. It's just great, and it's it's always going
Speaker 3: to be great.
Speaker 2: Joy Well, I think when you when you see a
Speaker 2: product out there that you know, some some tour guys
Speaker 2: hang on to for a decade, I think that's a
Speaker 2: good sign that I think that can go on the
Speaker 2: iconic club's list, you know. I think even today we
Speaker 2: still have a handful of Answer Hybrids in play by
Speaker 2: some pretty big name players. So that's another one in
Speaker 2: the hybrid category that's done really well. And I think
Speaker 2: what's when we talk about S fifty five, we talked
Speaker 2: about Answer Hybrid, the question is, well, what are we
Speaker 2: doing to study those clubs and turn them into you know,
Speaker 2: learn from them and plug them into products that we're
Speaker 2: designing right now. The thing with the Answer hybrid was
Speaker 2: it didn't go left. It was a hybrid that you know,
Speaker 2: we couldn't go flat with it. But it was the club,
Speaker 2: the old the tour players and better players like because
Speaker 2: it was the anti left hybrid, had really good launch
Speaker 2: and spin characteristics, felt really good things of that nature.
Speaker 2: But we brought that into our new you know, our
Speaker 2: new hybrid designs that we have now. We talked a
Speaker 2: lot about when we launched the blueprint s how much
Speaker 2: we studied that S fifty five. We basically, you know,
Speaker 2: for all intentsive purpose, we did a copy paste of
Speaker 2: the Soule geometry and the lead edge in the balance
Speaker 2: of the turf interaction because that was like one of
Speaker 2: the biggest pieces of the secret sauce, that S fifty
Speaker 2: five iron. And why yeah, you had you had Louis,
Speaker 2: you got Hunter, you got Bubba, you got Mat Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 2: all these players, you know, crushing tournaments and winning majors
Speaker 2: and Ryder Cups with that iron.
Speaker 1: Marty, you mentioned the answer and one of my favorite
Speaker 1: kind of like dips because you know, I've been I've
Speaker 1: been dealing with you guys in terms of equipment and
Speaker 1: coming out to the proving grounds, probably for fifteen years,
Speaker 1: maybe longer. At this point, I mean when I was Jaywall,
Speaker 1: when I'm when I was blogging it like FanHouse, I
Speaker 1: think maybe I was doing some stuff with Ping. Definitely
Speaker 1: when I went to Yahoo and Beyond, I mean dogs
Speaker 1: chasing cars, Dogs and chase cars, And they might not
Speaker 1: have been sending me free stuff for those days, but uh,
Speaker 1: I might have got in when I got to Yahoo
Speaker 1: or Beyond. But Marty, remember when the answer, because you know,
Speaker 1: personalization has been such a big part of Ping's existence.
Speaker 1: When answer specifically, you could personalize the fairy woods with
Speaker 1: kind of colorways and pay and the grooves of the drivers.
Speaker 1: I went ben hands with that. By the way, I
Speaker 1: think I had red grooves on the driver and maybe
Speaker 1: pink grooves on the fairway wood. But I just remember
Speaker 1: that being so unique at the time. And Jaywall, we're
Speaker 1: talking about again. One company does something, and then a
Speaker 1: lot of companies kind of follow suit, you know. After
Speaker 1: I feel like it was inking the grooves on the
Speaker 1: fairway woods. Then you started to see some companies offer
Speaker 1: multiple colorways on the crowns of the drivers. I mean
Speaker 1: that became a big part of pushes for some OEMs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, customization nowadays is so prevalent across the
Speaker 3: entire industry. And again you mentioned it. It starts. It's
Speaker 3: gotta start with somebody. Somebody has to take a chance
Speaker 3: and see what the reaction is. But yeah, to see
Speaker 3: it start with being there. And now you know everybody
Speaker 3: has a custom option where you can go wild with
Speaker 3: the driver, all different colorways, whatever you want to do.
Speaker 3: But yeah, customization is now such an important part of
Speaker 3: just bring your personality out on the golf course.
Speaker 1: Jay, Well, how do you go about kind of customizing
Speaker 1: your setup? Because I can only imagine your world is
Speaker 1: box is showing up a decent amount at home and
Speaker 1: you kind of have to go through that and either
Speaker 1: figure out what lefty Buddy's going to get a new
Speaker 1: set of irons or whatever the case may be. What
Speaker 1: first t chapter in Dallas is loving the fact that
Speaker 1: they're the closest to Wall's house. How do you go
Speaker 1: about kind of your customization for your set because somebody
Speaker 1: could probably send you off the rack golf clubs, or
Speaker 1: they could send you exactly what you want and I'm
Speaker 1: assuming these days you get a lot more of exactly
Speaker 1: what you want versus the former.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I used to accept everything, anything and
Speaker 3: everything that was that was offered to me. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'll take it. There was a point, probably like six
Speaker 3: or seven years ago where I was maybe at the
Speaker 3: lowest I'd ever been for golf. I could not hit
Speaker 3: a golf shot, and I had like four or five
Speaker 3: different setups because I'm like, I gotta test this stuff.
Speaker 3: I gotta test this stuff, and I was like, forget it,
Speaker 3: I gotta quit. So you know, nowadays, right it is.
Speaker 3: It is highly customized. You know, I think I spent
Speaker 3: probably half a day at the proving grounds working on
Speaker 3: working on the the I two thirty irons. You know,
Speaker 3: in my my setup, my build is so highly customized.
Speaker 3: I got an extra five grams of weight in the
Speaker 3: toe just simply because I'm looking for kind of as
Speaker 3: already mentioned with the hybrids, I'm looking for as a
Speaker 3: lefty an anti right golf club, I want everything center
Speaker 3: line left, and so we worked for a really long
Speaker 3: time to build a highly customized set of clubs. Now
Speaker 3: the difficult part with that is when I go and
Speaker 3: test something else. I will go out there and other
Speaker 3: OEMs will pick up my iron and they're like, God,
Speaker 3: this thing's like a barbell. It's really heavy. I meant
Speaker 3: midsized grips I got. I got a heavier head. I've
Speaker 3: gone a little bit lighter in the shafts. But you know,
Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of time on these golf clubs
Speaker 3: where it's I just don't want to switch very often.
Speaker 3: I want to stay with with what I like. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not changing out stuff nearly as often as I
Speaker 3: used to, but I I am spending a lot more
Speaker 3: time just trying to dial in the products. Like if
Speaker 3: I just don't like something, I might try a different shaft,
Speaker 3: I might try and changel angle a little bit, just
Speaker 3: just little incremental things. But it is, it's tough. I
Speaker 3: think the great part for me selfishly is I've stopped
Speaker 3: getting a lot of product to test simply because we
Speaker 3: now have robotic testing, and so we're able to see
Speaker 3: what the robot's doing, learn from that, and then if
Speaker 3: there's something interesting, then I might like ask for a product.
Speaker 3: But yeah, my wife loves it. Because there aren't as
Speaker 3: many boxes there are still there's still a lot of boxes.
Speaker 3: Not as many boxes come into my house, But I
Speaker 3: think my golf games has been better for just simply
Speaker 3: because I'm not like adding a new driver every six
Speaker 3: months or a new set of irons like it's And
Speaker 3: I think golfers need to understand that, like you, once
Speaker 3: you find something you like, like, don't chase it if
Speaker 3: it's working, like stick with that setup. I think S
Speaker 3: fifty five is a perfect example, like tour pros like it.
Speaker 3: They've had success with it.
Speaker 4: Why change?
Speaker 3: And I think that's why you saw paying for so
Speaker 3: long with fifty five if I keep that in the lineup,
Speaker 3: like they didn't just say well this is a great arm,
Speaker 3: we got to find something else, Like look how long
Speaker 3: it took them to get from S fifty five to
Speaker 3: blueprint s and blueprint t Like that goes to show
Speaker 3: you that they're not just like chasing money and trying
Speaker 3: to go after a new product to get it in
Speaker 3: players bag so that they'll spend Like they have always
Speaker 3: been really good about being purposeful with the products they
Speaker 3: are releasing. They're not going to release something until you
Speaker 3: know already mentioned the tyas I you know that's that
Speaker 3: was ahead of its time. But Ping's done a really
Speaker 3: nice job of always being really thoughtful in the releases.
Speaker 3: And I look at adjustability with Ping. You know, they
Speaker 3: didn't chase everybody else when they were going to adjustable products.
Speaker 3: They were one of the last. It was simply because
Speaker 3: they had to find a benefit to introducing adjustability. So
Speaker 3: that's my long wited way of saying, like, Ping does
Speaker 3: a lot of things right. And I think when you
Speaker 3: get their clubs in the bag, that's why I've had
Speaker 3: a difficult time getting I two thirty's out, just simply
Speaker 3: because I spent a lot of time on it. It's
Speaker 3: a good product, and why change it's.
Speaker 1: Custom for you. I mean also, if somebody picks up
Speaker 1: the barbell club and they go, wow, this is heavy,
Speaker 1: You're like, look about Peloton numbers. Man, I'm pumping out
Speaker 1: like five on a thirty minute right Jaywall, by the way,
Speaker 1: like top three percent in the entire world of Peloton
Speaker 1: right now in terms of the numbers he can churn out, Marty,
Speaker 1: He's an animal.
Speaker 4: On the light is Jaywall's I two thirty said? I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it's very unique.
Speaker 2: It's a great example for kind of swing weight fitting
Speaker 2: and system mass fitting. Right, because you know, when you're
Speaker 2: fitting for you know, forarding off a miss with your irons,
Speaker 2: you can only go so far with lingele. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't want to go too far. Just make them flatter,
Speaker 2: make them flatter. It's not your only option in the toolbox.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: In his case, we're making him a little heavier, we're
Speaker 2: moving to CG a little bit, and we're dialing in
Speaker 2: the lingole. I think, all I think that's just a
Speaker 2: great example, Jay Will you can use that blueprint of
Speaker 2: that build for any future iron builds that come out,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that's super cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marty, what else you what else you have in
Speaker 1: terms of your list of kind of the icon clubs
Speaker 1: over the last you know, I think I feel like
Speaker 1: this is this is getting a bit more modern in
Speaker 1: which some of some of the more modern clubs on
Speaker 1: the list as of now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll throw another Putter one out there, which
Speaker 2: is the jas Putters. So these didn't really necessarily explode
Speaker 2: in the market, but super fun project to work on,
Speaker 2: very innovative. John Solheim, our owner, came down with this
Speaker 2: idea like I want to make the ultimate kind of
Speaker 2: Putter design and embodiment I want to have beautiful shapes
Speaker 2: and sizes, beautiful designs, and get the CG super low
Speaker 2: so we can optimize the role of the golf ball
Speaker 2: and get the inertia really really high. So these putters
Speaker 2: we made were fully machined, milled out of titanium, and
Speaker 2: then we brazed in tungsten weights and then milled all
Speaker 2: the different surfaces and finished them off. These JS putters.
Speaker 2: They felt amazing and they were super forgiving. Talk about
Speaker 2: robot testing, jawall. When we put these things on our
Speaker 2: putting robot and hit it across the face and measure
Speaker 2: the ball speed retention, the down line absolutely incredible with
Speaker 2: what we were able to do with those putters. So
Speaker 2: that's the JS putters. Super fun, very expensive to make,
Speaker 2: but it's that family in that line. We've done these
Speaker 2: JS lines named after our owner, John Allen Solheim, a
Speaker 2: few times and it's really fun for us. It's challenging
Speaker 2: for the engineers because normally we're kind of working within
Speaker 2: a box and then he'll come down and say, hey,
Speaker 2: spare it no expense, let's do the ultimate solution here,
Speaker 2: and it's actually quite challenging for an engineer to kind
Speaker 2: of go into a space without any boundaries, per se
Speaker 2: and innovate.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the thing ping is done with the
Speaker 1: putters and Jay well, I know you know this as
Speaker 1: well as anybody. They are not scared of trying new
Speaker 1: things with the putters. I mean there have been some
Speaker 1: very unique looking putters over the years, successful looking putters,
Speaker 1: different mallet styles. I mean you kind of go across
Speaker 1: the board over the last twenty five thirty years of
Speaker 1: ping putters and you're gonna see some styles that only
Speaker 1: exist at one place in the world, and that's out
Speaker 1: of Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 3: What about the ISO pure is so pure?
Speaker 4: Love it?
Speaker 3: Oh, I was on my ISO pure with with with
Speaker 3: the Ping logo right in the middle of that right
Speaker 3: your insert Yeah, I mean, who else, Nique, It's super unique,
Speaker 3: Like who else is doing stuff like that? Where you're
Speaker 3: getting the logo in the face of the putter like that?
Speaker 3: That is that is marketing at its finest. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you get one of those putters on a Sunday
Speaker 3: afternoon at a tour event and they zoom in they
Speaker 3: get the face of that putter, normally you're like just
Speaker 3: a it's a putter face. And then now you're seeing
Speaker 3: the ping logo looking back at and you're like, well,
Speaker 3: that's really cool. So yeah, they've done a lot of
Speaker 3: innovative things in the in the putter space for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean way more than just the answer putter, which
Speaker 3: I think is the first thing that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean the doc putter, which is
Speaker 2: named after John Suza here and uh you know he
Speaker 2: so he was a great player. He's in charge of
Speaker 2: our works department, done a lot of things for peeing
Speaker 2: over the years. I was just a moon valley the
Speaker 2: other day I saw his name on the on the
Speaker 2: list of winning a bunch of tournaments over there.
Speaker 4: Well, he was struggling with the putter.
Speaker 2: Let's call it the hev gbs with putting, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna makes on.
Speaker 1: The podcast nobody's as their putting.
Speaker 4: Hopefully I got hey, I gotta respect Johnny. We'll call
Speaker 4: it the yips.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the yips, maybe it's the hev g b'ss like,
Speaker 2: And then he had the idea, I'm gonna design a
Speaker 2: gigantic putter. So he got a block of illuminum and
Speaker 2: this thing's like literally like as big as a steering wheel.
Speaker 2: Super high moment of inertia, and he put it with
Speaker 2: it and it helped him a ton. And then we
Speaker 2: scaled it down and we made other different versions of
Speaker 2: it that were a little bit a little bit smaller,
Speaker 2: but uh, that was another great example.
Speaker 4: You know, all the way from the dock down to
Speaker 4: like the fetch, which that gets.
Speaker 2: The ball out of the hole, and you know we
Speaker 2: have west Wood fetching it out of the hole after
Speaker 2: he wanted tournament on the Deep World Tour.
Speaker 4: I think that's an iconic moment as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was riding down, Marty to that point. I
Speaker 1: was writing down some kind of iconic moments over the
Speaker 1: years from pro golfers using ping equipment and the two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven LPGA Championship Suzanne Peterson won that week
Speaker 1: with a DOC fifteen putter. She borrowed that putter out
Speaker 1: of one of the amateur player's bags that she played
Speaker 1: with on Tuesday. I mean, you talk about incredible moments, Marty.
Speaker 1: I'm always shocked at pro golfer's ability to tinker. You
Speaker 1: think about what we saw at the US Open this
Speaker 1: year with Bryson right goes into the final round driving
Speaker 1: the ball well changees driver heads fifteen minutes before the
Speaker 1: final round and goes on to win the US Open.
Speaker 1: I feel like, and Jay Wall said this earlier. You know,
Speaker 1: you have a golf club that works, stick with it
Speaker 1: or stick with something similar to it. You know, don't
Speaker 1: go searching for something if you have a club in
Speaker 1: the bag that it plays. I mean, pro golfers do
Speaker 1: this a lot. We see so many kind of older
Speaker 1: clubs in the bags of professional golfers across the board.
Speaker 1: But one of the best players in the world at
Speaker 1: the time in seven to pull a putter out of
Speaker 1: the bag of somebody she's playing with on Tuesday and
Speaker 1: then go win the tournament on Sunday. That doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: By the way, you win a major championship at Ping
Speaker 1: and it's not gold plated, it's solid gold. I don't
Speaker 1: think Ping was excited to see the bill on the
Speaker 1: DOC fifteen, considering that was gonna be a solid gold
Speaker 1: Ping putter in the vault for Suzanne Shane.
Speaker 2: I was gonna mention that man, that was that's a
Speaker 2: heavy Uh, that was a heavy one.
Speaker 1: So hopefully they sold a couple extra docks when when
Speaker 1: Suzanne won that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, in terms of the innovation innovation shade,
Speaker 2: I mean it's hard for me. It's it's hard for
Speaker 2: my brain to not stick to the driver category, you know.
Speaker 2: I think we talked about Tya SI. Then if you
Speaker 2: go into I would say, we have the you know
Speaker 2: that you know, to the the changing of the garden
Speaker 2: our eras was the our era here in the driver
Speaker 2: category was the G two driver that kind of put
Speaker 2: us on the map in terms of being beautiful shape,
Speaker 2: thin wall, cast titanium in some really good things. And
Speaker 2: then that turned into the I think my next one
Speaker 2: in the driver category, I would say, is the Rapture
Speaker 2: driver that was on my list. Yep, yes, because that's
Speaker 2: like again you go to Hunter May and you go
Speaker 2: to Anhelicebra, you go to Louis.
Speaker 3: Christy Kerr went in the US Open and seven along
Speaker 3: with Kurr both went.
Speaker 2: With Rapture, absolutely incredible. So that was kind of built
Speaker 2: off the base technology like the G two, G five drivers,
Speaker 2: and then adding the composite in. And again, I think
Speaker 2: so many of our innovations have been both designed but
Speaker 2: also manufacturing innovation. The isopure Putter's j Wall. I mean
Speaker 2: that was a you know, developing that manufacturing process that
Speaker 2: we have in house for that was incredible. The Rapture
Speaker 2: Driver we did, we did a manufacturing process there because
Speaker 2: the composite was bonded from the inside out. So the
Speaker 2: question is, well, how do you get inside the cavity
Speaker 2: to bond the carbon fiber to the crown. We actually
Speaker 2: insert literally a bladder inside the back of the head
Speaker 2: and then you pressurize it and expand it so you
Speaker 2: you and then you put it in, you cure it
Speaker 2: and that's what bonds kind of the the resin in
Speaker 2: the carbon fiber to the crown, and then you deflate
Speaker 2: it and pull this little baggy or this bladder out.
Speaker 2: Absolutely incredible manufacturing process. So in my mind, that Rapture
Speaker 2: Driver I talked about the tech a little bit, but
Speaker 2: also has some iconic players, iconic moments.
Speaker 1: Marty, do you know where the name came from for
Speaker 1: that club? I'm always interested in, like the such the
Speaker 1: origin of the names of these clubs. And I know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you've got to feel for it and sometimes maybe
Speaker 1: it was it was somebody else that came up with it.
Speaker 1: But do you have any idea of where Rapture came
Speaker 1: from Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the Solon family is a very
Speaker 2: very strong family of faith, and so John Solheim personally
Speaker 2: involved in the family in naming our products. And that
Speaker 2: was kind of like the you know, the the resurrection
Speaker 2: of the Driver family and you know, so it was
Speaker 2: really fun to kind of be part of that process.
Speaker 2: And and there's so much tech brought in there being
Speaker 2: able to weave those two things together nice.
Speaker 1: It's like a shout out revelations if you will, Ja
Speaker 1: Wall New Testament in the Ping podcast, you j Wall,
Speaker 1: you're going to mention something about the Rapture. You're just
Speaker 1: had it on your list of of kind of the
Speaker 1: iconic clubs over the last few years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Marty nailed it. You know, the the
Speaker 3: Carbon It'd been around for a little while, but this
Speaker 3: was this was a first for Ping.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 3: The name that the fact that on Hell Caberra and
Speaker 3: Christy Kerr both win the two thousand and seven US
Speaker 3: opens the Women's and the Men's with this Driver in
Speaker 3: the bag. I think every manufacturer hopes for success for
Speaker 3: the products when they bring him out on tour, but
Speaker 3: nobody ever expects to win two US opens in the
Speaker 3: same year with with that driver in the bag, and
Speaker 3: I think that just goes to show you you know
Speaker 3: that the tech was there, but when you're able to
Speaker 3: marry that up with success on tour, I mean, that's
Speaker 3: what makes it an iconic product. And I think that's
Speaker 3: why if you ask golfers out there, like, what's one
Speaker 3: of those drivers? You know, not going way back, but
Speaker 3: what's one of those more recent ones. Rapture always is
Speaker 3: that one where I hear people. I still hear people
Speaker 3: talking about that driver. Hell, I've even seen it in
Speaker 3: the backs of some guys when I go play golf.
Speaker 3: So there's just something about that product that, again, it
Speaker 3: resonates with pros, it resonates with amateurs, and it's just
Speaker 3: one of those unique designs.
Speaker 1: Marty. I remember my mom called. My dad was having
Speaker 1: kind of a big birthday and my mom called years
Speaker 1: ago and said, I'm gonna get him some golf clubs.
Speaker 1: What should I get him? And he got the Rapture Drive.
Speaker 1: It was like, get the Rapture driver, get the Rapture
Speaker 1: three when it was really popular at the time, got
Speaker 1: both of them in the bag. I think they're still
Speaker 1: in the bag today, still plays them still loves them.
Speaker 1: Doesn't play as much golf as he used to play,
Speaker 1: but I guarantee I'm gonna see him over the weekend,
Speaker 1: and I bet they're in the bag and when we
Speaker 1: go out there and see it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other thing about the Rapture Driver that I think
Speaker 2: I should mention on the technology side is, you know,
Speaker 2: there's so much buzz out there of you know, using
Speaker 2: AI to do club design and that type of thing
Speaker 2: is we actually used modeling techniques and a kind of
Speaker 2: a form of AI, I guess early on, if you
Speaker 2: want to call it that, to figure out where to
Speaker 2: put those windows, because that Rapture Driver had these window
Speaker 2: like a lattice structure, these windows in the crown, and
Speaker 2: those windows they weren't just there for design styling.
Speaker 4: They were there to.
Speaker 2: Save weight in a way that didn't compromise the way
Speaker 2: that the crown moves structurally.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So this was through some modal analysis, which is a
Speaker 2: way that numerically in the computer, through modeling techniques, we
Speaker 2: can shake the driver and see what it's going to
Speaker 2: look like. Look for those low stress areas, take material
Speaker 2: right out of there.
Speaker 4: So super cool.
Speaker 2: And then the way we finished it was even cool
Speaker 2: Shane and Jwall where you could kind of see the
Speaker 2: titanium underneath. So we had to develop this special paint
Speaker 2: process where you could see the carbon fiber, you can
Speaker 2: see a little bit of the titanium crown. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, my brain just goes into all the blood,
Speaker 2: sweat and tears that went in all the way from
Speaker 2: the design innovation, to the manufacturing, to the finishing, to
Speaker 2: the paint to the green color, to the name and
Speaker 2: then boom the tour success.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Definitely iconic in our history.
Speaker 3: Was that early dragonfly Marty? Oh, absolutely, that's really cool.
Speaker 3: I don't do where that started.
Speaker 2: And you know what's fun is that we're still doing
Speaker 2: those kind of same things today, but with you know,
Speaker 2: more advanced tools, a deeper understanding, and you know, still
Speaker 2: still using that same fundamentals though in terms of our
Speaker 2: product development approach.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Jay, Well, when when people listen to this podcast, do
Speaker 1: you think they throw their clubs less after they listen
Speaker 1: to these podcasts? And here we already talk about inventing
Speaker 1: new paint for a driver. Head, You're like, this is
Speaker 1: serious business, guys. Let's not throw the expensive driver you
Speaker 1: just purchase I.
Speaker 3: Think more than anything. When you hear about, you know,
Speaker 3: listening to Marty talk about the how they're designing a
Speaker 3: product like Rapture and all the all the work and
Speaker 3: effort that it takes. Ties I with with, you know,
Speaker 3: bringing these different materials together, these different metals, and then
Speaker 3: hear people grow about you know, this driver is so expensive.
Speaker 3: But I think this just reinforces like there's a reason
Speaker 3: why it's expensive. It's because it takes so much time
Speaker 3: and effort to bring these products to life, to bring
Speaker 3: these different materials together. It's it's not cheap to do this.
Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe maybe people will throw the golf clubs
Speaker 3: yet less. I don't think so. But one can help.
Speaker 1: Just helicopter you never never never, you never want to
Speaker 1: hammer it. You always helicopter the throw. Then that thing's
Speaker 1: not going to break that way Marty.
Speaker 2: On the topic of paint, I mean, Jay, well, here's
Speaker 2: an example, Like I think we work on that Rapture
Speaker 2: driver and the first paint process we put on there
Speaker 2: was like three different coats and trying to get the
Speaker 2: tint in the clear coat right, and the paint is
Speaker 2: not you know, it's it's not weightless, right, So I
Speaker 2: mean I think at the time, I think the first
Speaker 2: engineering solution we had for that in the process engineering,
Speaker 2: the total paint weigh like five grams, and you can
Speaker 2: think about how much like for the design engineer if
Speaker 2: you say one gram you are celebrating, you know, are
Speaker 2: like it's painful, like oh this looks good, but it's
Speaker 2: too heavy. So we had to go re engineers the
Speaker 2: paint systems designed to try to strip a couple of
Speaker 2: grams out there, and I think I think the final
Speaker 2: paint finishing process weighed three grams and that was superb.
Speaker 2: So again we even there's there is even a lot
Speaker 2: of engineering and thought and pain that goes into the
Speaker 2: paint finishing process because going back to the ties I
Speaker 2: ties that tech, that paint was super thick. You could
Speaker 2: go on there and look at and feel the edge
Speaker 2: and those probably like, you know, six grams of paint
Speaker 2: on that. So we've been able to strip that down
Speaker 2: and four x are are the massive paint finishing processes nowadays.
Speaker 1: Marty hit us with a couple of more of the
Speaker 1: clubs you have on your list, and then I want
Speaker 1: to get everybody's kind of favorite paint club of all time.
Speaker 1: If you Will I'm going to hit you with a
Speaker 1: couple of iconic moments from pink clubs over the years,
Speaker 1: and then we'll jump out of here. I think we
Speaker 1: could probably do this for four hours and be fine,
Speaker 1: but I'm assume people probably have something else to do after,
Speaker 1: you know, we hit the hour mark talking about the
Speaker 1: iconic pink clubs. But Marty, if you've got a couple
Speaker 1: more on your list, hit us with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me throw it out there.
Speaker 2: I think we've talked a lot about clubs have done
Speaker 2: super good on tour and had great innovative stories to it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go in a little different directions. Still in
Speaker 2: the Rapture family, though, which is the Rapture irons. So
Speaker 2: not a tour iron. This was an innovative iron for
Speaker 2: the high handicap, the everyday golfer. And this iron was
Speaker 2: super innovative because it was a steel body with a
Speaker 2: titanium face and tungsten weights. And again I talked about, Hey,
Speaker 2: the hard part is a designer is being able to
Speaker 2: you know it might it sounds easy, Oh, just join
Speaker 2: titanium with steel and put it all together. Well, in
Speaker 2: practice that's very very hard to do. So this rapture iron,
Speaker 2: which was super popular, kind of an iconic club with
Speaker 2: the high handicapped golfer because it was super forgiving. Had
Speaker 2: a titanium face attached to a steel body with tungusten weights.
Speaker 2: And the way we joined that titanium face it was
Speaker 2: it was machined milled grooves. Then we placed it into
Speaker 2: the steel body and we did this process called swedging
Speaker 2: where we came down with these dies that had very
Speaker 2: specific angles to them, and we kind of smashed the
Speaker 2: steel over in a very methodical way and joined that
Speaker 2: titanium face to the steel body. We did it in
Speaker 2: a way where the joint was perfect and so that
Speaker 2: you know, the feel of the iron was amazing with
Speaker 2: this kind of thicker titanium face because you could make
Speaker 2: it thicker because the material is so lightweight, but still
Speaker 2: machine grews to it.
Speaker 4: Then we had a lot of.
Speaker 2: Extra weight to play with, so we put a huge
Speaker 2: amount of mass, like it was like forty grams of
Speaker 2: tungusten in the low toe to get the inertia up.
Speaker 2: That iron, I think has a grassroots kind of had
Speaker 2: a grassroots following with a high handicap golfer because it
Speaker 2: was so magical.
Speaker 4: From a forgiveness standpoint.
Speaker 1: Jaywall, when you get iron questions from readers, followers, whatever,
Speaker 1: what would you say the percentage mixes asking high handicap
Speaker 1: iron questions versus somebody that would, you know, maybe want
Speaker 1: to try out the Blueprint tea or something.
Speaker 3: I think it was probably like seventy percent like fifteen
Speaker 3: plus handicaps and thirty percent on on you know, I'd
Speaker 3: say like a single digit handicap. There's just I think
Speaker 3: because of of the industry that I work in and
Speaker 3: the time that I spent out on tour, I just
Speaker 3: I just think that everybody plays you know, compact, you know,
Speaker 3: Cavity back irons, and then you get all the questions
Speaker 3: and then you realize, like the average golfer out there
Speaker 3: is never going to break eighty and they're just trying
Speaker 3: to find something to have fun. Like that's at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, that's all they want to do.
Speaker 3: They want to go out on the golf or they
Speaker 3: want to lose lose less balls. They want to you know,
Speaker 3: get a couple more pars and have a good time
Speaker 3: with their buddies. And so that's where the questions usually
Speaker 3: come is just like hey, this is my big miss
Speaker 3: and I'm just looking to try and like mitigate that.
Speaker 3: So for sure, like higher handicappers like that's like that's
Speaker 3: my audience, whether whether I want to believe it or not.
Speaker 3: That's that's who I'm hearing from from more often than not.
Speaker 3: And again they just they want to have more fun
Speaker 3: and I get it.
Speaker 1: But that's that's golf's audience, Jonathan. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that's something that you mentioned that we all forget a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, Marty, I've mentioned this multiple times over the years.
Speaker 1: I caddied at St. Andrew's for five months. I had
Speaker 1: one player break eighty you know, I mean that. I
Speaker 1: mean that one player player and I was caddying twice
Speaker 1: a day almost, you know, five six days a week.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a lot of golf looping and
Speaker 1: it opened my eyes to Jay Wall's point, I mean
Speaker 1: it kind of even opened my eyes at the time
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting there thinking everybody's able to shoot eighty
Speaker 1: five and you realize that most golfers will never break
Speaker 1: ninety in their in their life. And Jaywall nailed it.
Speaker 1: I mean, the idea of club manufacturing. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, Marty is you're trying to do the best.
Speaker 1: You're trying to make it cost the least. You're trying
Speaker 1: to make it the most efficient for the player. You're
Speaker 1: also just trying to allow them to go have a
Speaker 1: little bit more fun. Pick up five yards with the driver,
Speaker 1: ten yards with the driver, you know, kind of kind
Speaker 1: of you know, shrink that distance in terms of how
Speaker 1: far off line they're hitting irons. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: idea of all of this, is to make people have
Speaker 1: a little bit more fun with the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, one philosophy I've tried to bring to the
Speaker 2: team here is this kind of Barbell approach like, which is,
Speaker 2: if we can take care of the most elite ball
Speaker 2: striker on the PGA Tour, Victor Hobland, and then we
Speaker 2: could take care of the beginning golfer, the high handicap golfer.
Speaker 2: If we understand those two golfers, we have maximum empathy
Speaker 2: for what they're going through, what their needs are, we'll
Speaker 2: be able to take care of everyone else in between,
Speaker 2: because that's where most people live.
Speaker 1: By the way, I love empathy is the word you use.
Speaker 1: I think that is so great, It's so true. All right.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, guys, you're your personal favorite
Speaker 1: pink club. Now, now, this isn't your first club, this
Speaker 1: isn't the thing the one you think was the best
Speaker 1: club ever invented. And I'll start us off. I've actually
Speaker 1: got mine right here. I have probably had this pin
Speaker 1: club in my bag the longest. It's not in my
Speaker 1: bag right now, but it dips in every now and again.
Speaker 1: If I'm really struggling. This is a G twenty. I'll
Speaker 1: show it on camera here. This is a G twenty
Speaker 1: fourwood that I had built. I mean, I mean, what
Speaker 1: is this, Marty twelve, fourteen years old? I mean, how
Speaker 1: old is the G twenty family. I'd never had a
Speaker 1: four wood before. I remember Bill built me this forward
Speaker 1: because I was talking about gapping with my bag. This
Speaker 1: was well before Marty had come up with the gapping
Speaker 1: system online that you can use to simplify the process.
Speaker 1: This was just simply me telling Bill my numbers and
Speaker 1: how far stuff was going, and he said, you should
Speaker 1: get involved in a four wood. So this G twenty
Speaker 1: four wood, Marty, I have had for a long time.
Speaker 1: I've gotten rid of a lot of clubs over the years.
Speaker 1: Jonathan knows that as well as anybody. This thing is
Speaker 1: not leaving. So that's mine, the G twenty four wood Marty,
Speaker 1: I'm interested in your answer there.
Speaker 2: Mine Shane is a G four to ten driver. G
Speaker 2: four to ten driver. For a number of reasons. It was,
Speaker 2: you know, I've worked on the G thirty drive. It's
Speaker 2: almost it was almost a G thirty because I loved
Speaker 2: that driver. I worked on that one in first one
Speaker 2: of turbulators, but the G four ten turbulators. Different shaping
Speaker 2: of turbulators is where we brought the CG shifter in.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 2: We talked about empathy, Shane. The motivation for me with
Speaker 2: that was to be able to bring all the tour
Speaker 2: players being able to custom hot melt their driver healing
Speaker 2: tow to dial in the left right. Let's bring that in,
Speaker 2: but do it in the pingway, our way, high inertia
Speaker 2: right around the perimeter.
Speaker 4: So we brought that in.
Speaker 2: We had really cool kind of shaping on the crown
Speaker 2: of the driver that was like the hood of a
Speaker 2: sports car. Also optimized through modal analysis kind of stiffening
Speaker 2: in certain regions. We changed the hozzle in there so
Speaker 2: we could get more adjustment with our trajectory tuning sleeve.
Speaker 2: We had great different model designs with the PLUS and
Speaker 2: the LST and the SFT did great on tour and selfishly,
Speaker 2: like Jaywall was saying earlier, that's the driver I used
Speaker 2: to accomplish my you know, kind of life stream was
Speaker 2: to make the cut in a major. So I used
Speaker 2: that driver when I made the cut at the PJA
Speaker 2: Championship twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: Beth paid Black attach.
Speaker 1: Attach yourselves to the world the most. Like it's like
Speaker 1: the suit you were on your wedding. You're like, this
Speaker 1: is my favorite suit. This is the one I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be rocking. Jwall, do you have kind of a pink
Speaker 1: club that stood out over the years just as your
Speaker 1: favorite pink club, not necessarily the most popular one out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go back. I had a set of S
Speaker 3: fifty nine irons and this is going back to like
Speaker 3: when I was basically scratch probably plus any cap playing
Speaker 3: in college. Thankfully, my my parents had a membership at
Speaker 3: Tradition's Club when I went to A and M. And
Speaker 3: that was when that was when the Nickels courses kind
Speaker 3: of just getting off the ground, and there weren't a
Speaker 3: lot of people out there, weren't a lot of homes
Speaker 3: yet and so I kid you not, I would go
Speaker 3: out there every day and this set of irons was
Speaker 3: they just they.
Speaker 4: Fit me so well.
Speaker 3: And I don't think I could play them now because
Speaker 3: they're they're a bit more the bit too blady for
Speaker 3: my for my reference. But they had that stabilizing bar
Speaker 3: in the back. They they were such a great looking club,
Speaker 3: but they had they had a little bit more forgiveness
Speaker 3: than than the shaping. And I just remember just wearing
Speaker 3: those things out. It's like I don't even have them
Speaker 3: anymore because the grooves on them, especially like the nine
Speaker 3: iron a pitching gudge, were just completely shot. And I
Speaker 3: think that's like, that's the fun part, is like that
Speaker 3: that set of irons I had for a couple of years,
Speaker 3: and I just played so much golf I had. I
Speaker 3: just had a blast with them the great iron out
Speaker 3: on tour. But yeah, that for sure. S fifty nine
Speaker 3: and Big Surprice they turned into S fifty five and
Speaker 3: and you know those those are pretty decent irons. Like
Speaker 3: we talked about.
Speaker 1: Exactly, I think we know which one your true favorite is.
Speaker 1: I think I had the fifty five's Marty. You remember
Speaker 1: when you got them out of the works program and
Speaker 1: they'd have the W on the toe.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case anymore, but I remember
Speaker 1: I had the the W on the toe with my
Speaker 1: fifty fives that I'd have people that would randomly ask you,
Speaker 1: Sweat what that was or what that meant, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't worry about that. That that's for
Speaker 1: me to know and you to find out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: S fifty nine, that was a great That was our
Speaker 2: first blade. That was our first true blade iron. I'm
Speaker 2: obviously we made the I three I three plus blade,
Speaker 2: but nothing like that S fifty nine.
Speaker 4: And you know, it was fun.
Speaker 2: Again, going back to the naming, we were sitting around, Hey,
Speaker 2: what should we name this iron? Shoot fifty nine? That's
Speaker 2: the goal with that iron. So where it all started.
Speaker 1: I love that. Well, now it might VJ. Well, we
Speaker 1: see a lot more fifty nine these days than we
Speaker 1: have previously, especially when those irons were popping up. By
Speaker 1: the way, if you're listening to the podcast and you're
Speaker 1: enjoying this, if you will send in. You can tag
Speaker 1: ping on Twitter or Instagram or whatever, but just send
Speaker 1: in your favorite ping club of all time, and if
Speaker 1: you have a picture of it, or if you have
Speaker 1: it at home or whatever. We love to see it
Speaker 1: as well, and we'll share some of those as we
Speaker 1: kind of wind down. I'm just going to hit you
Speaker 1: guys on some iconic clubs over the years. Obviously Baba
Speaker 1: Masters twenty twelve. I think I'd argue this is the
Speaker 1: most iconic shot ever hit with the Pink Club. Is
Speaker 1: that fair to say, Marty?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think yeah, absolutely. I mean just Bubba, the club,
Speaker 2: the conditions, the shot. He's the only person probably on
Speaker 2: planet Earth that could pull that one off, and he
Speaker 2: did it when it mattered most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a ping tour w wedge for Bubba
Speaker 1: when he hit that to win the Masters in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: same Masters, by the way, Louis double eagle, if you remember,
Speaker 1: that was a Ping S fifty six four iron I
Speaker 1: think that was two fifty six jwall, which as I
Speaker 1: get older, you're like four iron two fifty six. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he landed it on the front, which is
Speaker 1: probably too two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was jagged, you know, Louis, I mean he was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He didn't miss the center often with those clubs, especially
Speaker 1: back in the early twenty two ends. But that was amazing.
Speaker 1: And then Sadie Lyle one iron eighty eight Masters. That
Speaker 1: was back in one iron days. But I believe he
Speaker 1: used a ping one iron when he won both his
Speaker 1: major championships. But those then, of course, the Suzanne story
Speaker 1: I told you with the Doc Putter earlier are some
Speaker 1: of the iconic ones I have. Marty, did I miss anything?
Speaker 1: Do you have anything that pops in your brain in
Speaker 1: terms of an iconic pink club used in a big moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'll throw I'll throw it out there.
Speaker 2: That might be a little non consensus, but you know
Speaker 2: in a major it went to win a major. In
Speaker 2: a US Open, I know because I've played in one,
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you hit the fairway, you can you
Speaker 2: know You're like, okay, I'm gonna make a par Yeah. Right,
Speaker 2: So I'm going to say, on hell, Cabrera raptured driver
Speaker 2: Tiger staring down his neck and he just crushes it
Speaker 2: right down eighteen and Oakmont guarantees the victory.
Speaker 1: I mean he bombed that one bombing You mean that
Speaker 1: that was like, I think it might have been the
Speaker 1: longest t shot of the day on eighteen and Cabrera
Speaker 1: hit the fairway. Then if you remember Tiger poses on
Speaker 1: his and it kind of kept going right, got in
Speaker 1: the in the first cut, kind of up against that
Speaker 1: second cut, and it was not a great lie. He
Speaker 1: had a really good shot there, nearly made birdie. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a great call on the on the
Speaker 1: Cabrera Raptors driver there at eighteen, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: one of the hardest closing holes in golf. I think
Speaker 1: you could go through Oakmont's eighteen and say that's the
Speaker 1: hardest first, and hardest second, and hardest third hole, but
Speaker 1: definitely one of the hardest closing holes.
Speaker 3: Is We're forgetting one boys nineteen eighty six PGA Championship
Speaker 3: bopped play. Yeah, falling out I too, great point, Such
Speaker 3: a great moment with him jumping with it with his
Speaker 3: arms up in the air. You can't see my arms
Speaker 3: right now with the right but you know, it's just
Speaker 3: it's one of those iconic moments. Beat Norman. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's and we haven't really really talked about that wedge.
Speaker 3: I mean that that's another product that's been copied by
Speaker 3: a lot of other manufacturers over the years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a great point.
Speaker 2: You got the hold out from Bob Tway, you got
Speaker 2: the Zinger Azinger the in memorial with the Eye two.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times is an io lob wedge
Speaker 2: hold out out of a bunker to win a tournament?
Speaker 4: Is the question.
Speaker 3: We could spend it now talking about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and mart and Marty they're back. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the coolest part of the New
Speaker 1: Wedges is you can go back in time in a
Speaker 1: way and play kind of one of the more iconic
Speaker 1: ping clubs that existed.
Speaker 4: Totally. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a theme across all these clubs we've
Speaker 2: talked about, is that we go we as the designers,
Speaker 2: we go study these like what are the important attributes
Speaker 2: about all these and we plug those right into our
Speaker 2: latest and greatest designs and design theories.
Speaker 1: Jay Wall, I've been really really considering starting a golf
Speaker 1: tour called nineteen ninety six Golf Tour, and you just
Speaker 1: basically have to only play equipment that was built around
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. I feel like this podcast now makes
Speaker 1: me more than ever want to go like put together
Speaker 1: a bag of high school Shane Bacon club. You should
Speaker 1: know because of that, it just sounds like so much fun,
Speaker 1: Like Hickories or Hickories and everybody enjoys maybe going out
Speaker 1: and doing that here and there. I want to play
Speaker 1: the clubs that we've talked about, the nighties era that
Speaker 1: I played when I was in high school. This has
Speaker 1: been great. Anything else, guys before we sign off, because
Speaker 1: I have a feeling we might have to do this
Speaker 1: again in the coming years, because we could probably go
Speaker 1: down and go down kind of the the memory of
Speaker 1: all the iconic clubs over the years and bring on
Speaker 1: some different voices to touch on it. But Martin, anything
Speaker 1: else before we sign off?
Speaker 2: No, I think next time, Jaywall, this would be fun.
Speaker 2: We should do We should do this kind of focused
Speaker 2: around shafts and grips. I think that'd be super fun,
Speaker 2: just throwing that out there.
Speaker 3: Boys, there's a very iconic grip that we didn't mention,
Speaker 3: used by a guy that's won fifteen majors.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a great point. You know what, maybe one
Speaker 1: of the more why was someone using this thing in
Speaker 1: the history of golf? And uh, I feel like the
Speaker 1: story is maybe worth another podcast, Jay Wall, what do
Speaker 1: you got coming up? I mean, obviously this is going
Speaker 1: to air a little bit after we record, but I
Speaker 1: know you're always kind of focused on the equipment world
Speaker 1: and what you're doing in that. I mean, you're always
Speaker 1: venturing out talking to players and such. Just pay people
Speaker 1: pay attention to the podcast and and go to golf
Speaker 1: dot com and check out the writing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. This is actually my favorite time of
Speaker 3: the year because I'm not crazy busy, but it is.
Speaker 3: It's kind of the calm before the storm as we
Speaker 3: ramp up for our yearly club test later in the
Speaker 3: year and start testing new product and getting the robot
Speaker 3: fired up. So yeah, it's just check out golf dot com.
Speaker 3: We'll have a lot of cool content. And just had
Speaker 3: so much fun just being on this podcast. Was this
Speaker 3: was a lot of fun to kind of go back
Speaker 3: down memory lane and talk about a lot of clubs
Speaker 3: that I remember, clubs that I use. It's all fun
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 1: It's the best. Like I said, I mean, you can
Speaker 1: go around and throw out random athletes names if you want,
Speaker 1: and you can do that if you're a basketball fan
Speaker 1: or a football fan. For US golfers, it's do you
Speaker 1: remember the Rapture driver? The guys like, yeah, I had
Speaker 1: the three would I mean, that's just like one of
Speaker 1: the great parts of being a golfer and nerding out
Speaker 1: on equipment, so Jaywall really appreciate it. Man, been a
Speaker 1: buddy of mine for a long long time in this industry.
Speaker 1: We will never remember the restaurant that we eat at
Speaker 1: in Palm Springs, but we will forever and remember the
Speaker 1: moment that we had enjoying that. And Marty will catch
Speaker 1: back up very very soon. Congrats on all the success
Speaker 1: lately on the golf course. Man, it's been fun to
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