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Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Shane Bak and joined as always by Marty Jerts,

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Speaker 1: and we got a special guest today, Marty Jonathan Wall,

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Speaker 1: longtime pal of mine, I know, a longtime friend of Ping's,

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Speaker 1: of course from golf dot com. He's been all over

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Speaker 1: the internet over the years and also host the Fully

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Speaker 1: Equipped podcast. And you're listening to this podcast. I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: you're playing some hot golf as of late, Jay Wall

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Speaker 1: playing any golf. Is this a world you're you're existing

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Speaker 3: It's definitely the latter. Right now. The golf on the

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Speaker 1: Well, I've decided, you know, we're going to talk today

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Speaker 1: We're talking about our favorite ping clubs. We talk about

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Speaker 1: a ping club, Jonathan, that stands out to you, both

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Speaker 1: Are their clubs in the ping you know, atmosphere and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I think for me selfishly, I go

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Speaker 3: I would take them out there with my blottas. Still

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Speaker 3: But those are those irons that I think backed as

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Speaker 1: Marty? You know, you and I have talked a lot

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Speaker 2: I think I'm kind of with j Wall because growing up,

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Speaker 1: OEM's Ping sponsors players, and you hope that something like

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Speaker 1: But Jonathan, I think one of the coolest parts, like

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Speaker 1: You know. Marty Jonathan brings up a great point on that,

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Speaker 2: with kind of the classic pink players, Calcubeccia, because you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Shane Man, there's so many. I mean,

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Speaker 2: is normally pretty soft, your putter would get kind of

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00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 2: dinged up. You know, it kind of has a distinct

434
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 2: feel to it, and you could make it like the

435
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 2: strongest material out there with this very thin uh nano

436
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 2: nickel coating on it. So I don't know, there's a

437
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: lot of tech plugged into that gnome with the adjustable length,

438
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 2: and it was it was that's when Hunter was was

439
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 2: dominating as well, So that's kind of again to tie

440
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 2: it to a player and tour success was pretty fun.

441
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 3: That was such a hot putter hundred.

442
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: Hunter is a great person as well when you think

443
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: about Ping. I mean when I think about Ping, you know,

444
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 1: obviously his career maybe not as long as as some

445
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: others that we think about, but I mean Hunter mayhem

446
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 1: absolute monster's amit or player, collegiate player. And then when

447
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 1: he burst on the scene. The thing I kind of

448
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: remember about Hunter was that was the first jwall flat

449
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 1: bill hat that a manufacturer made. Yeah, and I remember

450
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: Ping sent me a couple. I mean, those bad boys

451
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: were ironed flat, and I think they had like the

452
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: under arm or u of a on the side, but

453
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: they were full of Ping on the front. And I

454
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 1: remember when they showed up. I got a lot aware

455
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 1: on the on the on the Ping Hunter Mayhan.

456
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 3: Ads, Yeah, definitely, the the hats that he had. It

457
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 3: was kind of funny because that was around the time

458
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 3: where where it was like, is Ping trying to trying

459
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 3: to get with the young the young crowd here because

460
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: it feels like they were trending that direction. But you know,

461
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 3: I think about Mayhan's setup and I don't know if

462
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,199
Speaker 3: Marty was going to get to this one, I might

463
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 3: be still in this thunder. But S fifty five yeah,

464
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 3: I mean, those those irons. I think about an iron

465
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: that has had staying power. I honestly cannot name you

466
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: another iron out there that has been around that long

467
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 3: on the PGA tour. I mean, you think about Bubba Watson.

468
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 3: I mean, how many times has he changed those irons out?

469
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 3: I mean very seldom since they were released in twenty thirteen.

470
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 3: Matt Fitzpatrick wins the twenty twenty two USO YEP with

471
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,239
Speaker 3: with S fifty five in the bag still. I mean

472
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 3: we're talking about almost a decade after they you know,

473
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: a decade after they were released. It it is amazing

474
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: to me how how much that iron has taken hold

475
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: and guys just can't get it out of the bag.

476
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: Blueprint ass Blueprint t great irons. But there's something about

477
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: that S fifty five that that guys just love the look,

478
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: they love the feel to a prosa like that. Once

479
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 3: they attach themselves to something and they've won with it,

480
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 3: it's really difficult to get it out of the bag,

481
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: especially when it is that good. But yeah, S fifty five,

482
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 3: I remember Mayhand using those and and hey, look they're

483
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 3: still around now. So it's it is. It's one of

484
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: those irons. It's just great, and it's it's always going

485
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: to be great.

486
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Speaker 2: Joy Well, I think when you when you see a

487
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: product out there that you know, some some tour guys

488
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: hang on to for a decade, I think that's a

489
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: good sign that I think that can go on the

490
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: iconic club's list, you know. I think even today we

491
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,239
Speaker 2: still have a handful of Answer Hybrids in play by

492
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: some pretty big name players. So that's another one in

493
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: the hybrid category that's done really well. And I think

494
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: what's when we talk about S fifty five, we talked

495
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: about Answer Hybrid, the question is, well, what are we

496
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: doing to study those clubs and turn them into you know,

497
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: learn from them and plug them into products that we're

498
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: designing right now. The thing with the Answer hybrid was

499
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: it didn't go left. It was a hybrid that you know,

500
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: we couldn't go flat with it. But it was the club,

501
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: the old the tour players and better players like because

502
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: it was the anti left hybrid, had really good launch

503
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 2: and spin characteristics, felt really good things of that nature.

504
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: But we brought that into our new you know, our

505
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: new hybrid designs that we have now. We talked a

506
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: lot about when we launched the blueprint s how much

507
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: we studied that S fifty five. We basically, you know,

508
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: for all intentsive purpose, we did a copy paste of

509
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: the Soule geometry and the lead edge in the balance

510
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: of the turf interaction because that was like one of

511
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: the biggest pieces of the secret sauce, that S fifty

512
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: five iron. And why yeah, you had you had Louis,

513
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 2: you got Hunter, you got Bubba, you got Mat Fitzpatrick,

514
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: all these players, you know, crushing tournaments and winning majors

515
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: and Ryder Cups with that iron.

516
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: Marty, you mentioned the answer and one of my favorite

517
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of like dips because you know, I've been I've

518
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: been dealing with you guys in terms of equipment and

519
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: coming out to the proving grounds, probably for fifteen years,

520
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: maybe longer. At this point, I mean when I was Jaywall,

521
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: when I'm when I was blogging it like FanHouse, I

522
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: think maybe I was doing some stuff with Ping. Definitely

523
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: when I went to Yahoo and Beyond, I mean dogs

524
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: chasing cars, Dogs and chase cars, And they might not

525
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: have been sending me free stuff for those days, but uh,

526
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: I might have got in when I got to Yahoo

527
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: or Beyond. But Marty, remember when the answer, because you know,

528
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: personalization has been such a big part of Ping's existence.

529
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: When answer specifically, you could personalize the fairy woods with

530
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: kind of colorways and pay and the grooves of the drivers.

531
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: I went ben hands with that. By the way, I

532
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: think I had red grooves on the driver and maybe

533
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: pink grooves on the fairway wood. But I just remember

534
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: that being so unique at the time. And Jaywall, we're

535
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: talking about again. One company does something, and then a

536
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: lot of companies kind of follow suit, you know. After

537
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: I feel like it was inking the grooves on the

538
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: fairway woods. Then you started to see some companies offer

539
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,239
Speaker 1: multiple colorways on the crowns of the drivers. I mean

540
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: that became a big part of pushes for some OEMs.

541
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, customization nowadays is so prevalent across the

542
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: entire industry. And again you mentioned it. It starts. It's

543
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 3: gotta start with somebody. Somebody has to take a chance

544
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: and see what the reaction is. But yeah, to see

545
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: it start with being there. And now you know everybody

546
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: has a custom option where you can go wild with

547
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: the driver, all different colorways, whatever you want to do.

548
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, customization is now such an important part of

549
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: just bring your personality out on the golf course.

550
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: Jay, Well, how do you go about kind of customizing

551
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: your setup? Because I can only imagine your world is

552
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: box is showing up a decent amount at home and

553
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: you kind of have to go through that and either

554
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: figure out what lefty Buddy's going to get a new

555
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: set of irons or whatever the case may be. What

556
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: first t chapter in Dallas is loving the fact that

557
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: they're the closest to Wall's house. How do you go

558
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: about kind of your customization for your set because somebody

559
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: could probably send you off the rack golf clubs, or

560
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: they could send you exactly what you want and I'm

561
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: assuming these days you get a lot more of exactly

562
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: what you want versus the former.

563
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I used to accept everything, anything and

564
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: everything that was that was offered to me. I'm like,

565
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: I'll take it. There was a point, probably like six

566
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: or seven years ago where I was maybe at the

567
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 3: lowest I'd ever been for golf. I could not hit

568
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: a golf shot, and I had like four or five

569
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: different setups because I'm like, I gotta test this stuff.

570
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: I gotta test this stuff, and I was like, forget it,

571
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: I gotta quit. So you know, nowadays, right it is.

572
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: It is highly customized. You know, I think I spent

573
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: probably half a day at the proving grounds working on

574
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: working on the the I two thirty irons. You know,

575
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: in my my setup, my build is so highly customized.

576
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: I got an extra five grams of weight in the

577
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: toe just simply because I'm looking for kind of as

578
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: already mentioned with the hybrids, I'm looking for as a

579
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: lefty an anti right golf club, I want everything center

580
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: line left, and so we worked for a really long

581
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: time to build a highly customized set of clubs. Now

582
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: the difficult part with that is when I go and

583
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: test something else. I will go out there and other

584
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: OEMs will pick up my iron and they're like, God,

585
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: this thing's like a barbell. It's really heavy. I meant

586
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: midsized grips I got. I got a heavier head. I've

587
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: gone a little bit lighter in the shafts. But you know,

588
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of time on these golf clubs

589
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: where it's I just don't want to switch very often.

590
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: I want to stay with with what I like. So yeah,

591
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: I'm not changing out stuff nearly as often as I

592
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: used to, but I I am spending a lot more

593
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 3: time just trying to dial in the products. Like if

594
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: I just don't like something, I might try a different shaft,

595
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: I might try and changel angle a little bit, just

596
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: just little incremental things. But it is, it's tough. I

597
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: think the great part for me selfishly is I've stopped

598
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: getting a lot of product to test simply because we

599
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: now have robotic testing, and so we're able to see

600
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 3: what the robot's doing, learn from that, and then if

601
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: there's something interesting, then I might like ask for a product.

602
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, my wife loves it. Because there aren't as

603
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: many boxes there are still there's still a lot of boxes.

604
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: Not as many boxes come into my house, But I

605
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: think my golf games has been better for just simply

606
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: because I'm not like adding a new driver every six

607
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: months or a new set of irons like it's And

608
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: I think golfers need to understand that, like you, once

609
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: you find something you like, like, don't chase it if

610
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: it's working, like stick with that setup. I think S

611
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: fifty five is a perfect example, like tour pros like it.

612
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: They've had success with it.

613
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: Why change?

614
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: And I think that's why you saw paying for so

615
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: long with fifty five if I keep that in the lineup,

616
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 3: like they didn't just say well this is a great arm,

617
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: we got to find something else, Like look how long

618
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: it took them to get from S fifty five to

619
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: blueprint s and blueprint t Like that goes to show

620
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: you that they're not just like chasing money and trying

621
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: to go after a new product to get it in

622
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: players bag so that they'll spend Like they have always

623
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: been really good about being purposeful with the products they

624
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: are releasing. They're not going to release something until you

625
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: know already mentioned the tyas I you know that's that

626
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: was ahead of its time. But Ping's done a really

627
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: nice job of always being really thoughtful in the releases.

628
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 3: And I look at adjustability with Ping. You know, they

629
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: didn't chase everybody else when they were going to adjustable products.

630
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: They were one of the last. It was simply because

631
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: they had to find a benefit to introducing adjustability. So

632
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: that's my long wited way of saying, like, Ping does

633
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: a lot of things right. And I think when you

634
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: get their clubs in the bag, that's why I've had

635
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: a difficult time getting I two thirty's out, just simply

636
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: because I spent a lot of time on it. It's

637
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: a good product, and why change it's.

638
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: Custom for you. I mean also, if somebody picks up

639
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: the barbell club and they go, wow, this is heavy,

640
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: You're like, look about Peloton numbers. Man, I'm pumping out

641
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: like five on a thirty minute right Jaywall, by the way,

642
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: like top three percent in the entire world of Peloton

643
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: right now in terms of the numbers he can churn out, Marty,

644
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: He's an animal.

645
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 4: On the light is Jaywall's I two thirty said? I mean,

646
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: it's it's very unique.

647
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: It's a great example for kind of swing weight fitting

648
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: and system mass fitting. Right, because you know, when you're

649
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: fitting for you know, forarding off a miss with your irons,

650
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: you can only go so far with lingele. You know,

651
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: you don't want to go too far. Just make them flatter,

652
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: make them flatter. It's not your only option in the toolbox.

653
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: You know.

654
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: In his case, we're making him a little heavier, we're

655
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: moving to CG a little bit, and we're dialing in

656
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: the lingole. I think, all I think that's just a

657
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: great example, Jay Will you can use that blueprint of

658
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: that build for any future iron builds that come out,

659
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, I think that's super cool.

660
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marty, what else you what else you have in

661
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: terms of your list of kind of the icon clubs

662
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: over the last you know, I think I feel like

663
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: this is this is getting a bit more modern in

664
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: which some of some of the more modern clubs on

665
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: the list as of now.

666
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll throw another Putter one out there, which

667
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: is the jas Putters. So these didn't really necessarily explode

668
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: in the market, but super fun project to work on,

669
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: very innovative. John Solheim, our owner, came down with this

670
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: idea like I want to make the ultimate kind of

671
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: Putter design and embodiment I want to have beautiful shapes

672
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: and sizes, beautiful designs, and get the CG super low

673
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: so we can optimize the role of the golf ball

674
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: and get the inertia really really high. So these putters

675
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: we made were fully machined, milled out of titanium, and

676
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: then we brazed in tungsten weights and then milled all

677
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: the different surfaces and finished them off. These JS putters.

678
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: They felt amazing and they were super forgiving. Talk about

679
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: robot testing, jawall. When we put these things on our

680
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: putting robot and hit it across the face and measure

681
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: the ball speed retention, the down line absolutely incredible with

682
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: what we were able to do with those putters. So

683
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: that's the JS putters. Super fun, very expensive to make,

684
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: but it's that family in that line. We've done these

685
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: JS lines named after our owner, John Allen Solheim, a

686
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: few times and it's really fun for us. It's challenging

687
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: for the engineers because normally we're kind of working within

688
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: a box and then he'll come down and say, hey,

689
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: spare it no expense, let's do the ultimate solution here,

690
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: and it's actually quite challenging for an engineer to kind

691
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: of go into a space without any boundaries, per se

692
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: and innovate.

693
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the thing ping is done with the

694
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: putters and Jay well, I know you know this as

695
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: well as anybody. They are not scared of trying new

696
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: things with the putters. I mean there have been some

697
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: very unique looking putters over the years, successful looking putters,

698
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: different mallet styles. I mean you kind of go across

699
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: the board over the last twenty five thirty years of

700
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: ping putters and you're gonna see some styles that only

701
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: exist at one place in the world, and that's out

702
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: of Phoenix, Arizona.

703
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: What about the ISO pure is so pure?

704
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: Love it?

705
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: Oh, I was on my ISO pure with with with

706
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: the Ping logo right in the middle of that right

707
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: your insert Yeah, I mean, who else, Nique, It's super unique,

708
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: Like who else is doing stuff like that? Where you're

709
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: getting the logo in the face of the putter like that?

710
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: That is that is marketing at its finest. I mean,

711
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: if you get one of those putters on a Sunday

712
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: afternoon at a tour event and they zoom in they

713
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: get the face of that putter, normally you're like just

714
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: a it's a putter face. And then now you're seeing

715
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: the ping logo looking back at and you're like, well,

716
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: that's really cool. So yeah, they've done a lot of

717
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: innovative things in the in the putter space for sure.

718
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: I mean way more than just the answer putter, which

719
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: I think is the first thing that comes to mind.

720
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean the doc putter, which is

721
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: named after John Suza here and uh you know he

722
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: so he was a great player. He's in charge of

723
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: our works department, done a lot of things for peeing

724
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: over the years. I was just a moon valley the

725
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: other day I saw his name on the on the

726
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: list of winning a bunch of tournaments over there.

727
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 4: Well, he was struggling with the putter.

728
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: Let's call it the hev gbs with putting, and he's like,

729
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna makes on.

730
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: The podcast nobody's as their putting.

731
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 4: Hopefully I got hey, I gotta respect Johnny. We'll call

732
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: it the yips.

733
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the yips, maybe it's the hev g b'ss like,

734
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: And then he had the idea, I'm gonna design a

735
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: gigantic putter. So he got a block of illuminum and

736
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: this thing's like literally like as big as a steering wheel.

737
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: Super high moment of inertia, and he put it with

738
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: it and it helped him a ton. And then we

739
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: scaled it down and we made other different versions of

740
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: it that were a little bit a little bit smaller,

741
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 2: but uh, that was another great example.

742
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 4: You know, all the way from the dock down to

743
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: like the fetch, which that gets.

744
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: The ball out of the hole, and you know we

745
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: have west Wood fetching it out of the hole after

746
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: he wanted tournament on the Deep World Tour.

747
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 4: I think that's an iconic moment as well.

748
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was riding down, Marty to that point. I

749
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: was writing down some kind of iconic moments over the

750
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: years from pro golfers using ping equipment and the two

751
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: thousand and seven LPGA Championship Suzanne Peterson won that week

752
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: with a DOC fifteen putter. She borrowed that putter out

753
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: of one of the amateur player's bags that she played

754
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: with on Tuesday. I mean, you talk about incredible moments, Marty.

755
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm always shocked at pro golfer's ability to tinker. You

756
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: think about what we saw at the US Open this

757
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: year with Bryson right goes into the final round driving

758
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: the ball well changees driver heads fifteen minutes before the

759
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: final round and goes on to win the US Open.

760
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: I feel like, and Jay Wall said this earlier. You know,

761
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: you have a golf club that works, stick with it

762
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: or stick with something similar to it. You know, don't

763
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: go searching for something if you have a club in

764
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: the bag that it plays. I mean, pro golfers do

765
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: this a lot. We see so many kind of older

766
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: clubs in the bags of professional golfers across the board.

767
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: But one of the best players in the world at

768
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: the time in seven to pull a putter out of

769
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: the bag of somebody she's playing with on Tuesday and

770
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: then go win the tournament on Sunday. That doesn't happen.

771
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: By the way, you win a major championship at Ping

772
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: and it's not gold plated, it's solid gold. I don't

773
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: think Ping was excited to see the bill on the

774
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: DOC fifteen, considering that was gonna be a solid gold

775
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Ping putter in the vault for Suzanne Shane.

776
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: I was gonna mention that man, that was that's a

777
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: heavy Uh, that was a heavy one.

778
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: So hopefully they sold a couple extra docks when when

779
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: Suzanne won that one.

780
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so that was a lot of fun.

781
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: I think, you know, in terms of the innovation innovation shade,

782
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's hard for me. It's it's hard for

783
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: my brain to not stick to the driver category, you know.

784
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: I think we talked about Tya SI. Then if you

785
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: go into I would say, we have the you know

786
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: that you know, to the the changing of the garden

787
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: our eras was the our era here in the driver

788
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: category was the G two driver that kind of put

789
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: us on the map in terms of being beautiful shape,

790
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: thin wall, cast titanium in some really good things. And

791
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: then that turned into the I think my next one

792
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: in the driver category, I would say, is the Rapture

793
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: driver that was on my list. Yep, yes, because that's

794
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: like again you go to Hunter May and you go

795
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: to Anhelicebra, you go to Louis.

796
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: Christy Kerr went in the US Open and seven along

797
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 3: with Kurr both went.

798
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: With Rapture, absolutely incredible. So that was kind of built

799
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: off the base technology like the G two, G five drivers,

800
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: and then adding the composite in. And again, I think

801
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: so many of our innovations have been both designed but

802
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: also manufacturing innovation. The isopure Putter's j Wall. I mean

803
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: that was a you know, developing that manufacturing process that

804
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: we have in house for that was incredible. The Rapture

805
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: Driver we did, we did a manufacturing process there because

806
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: the composite was bonded from the inside out. So the

807
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: question is, well, how do you get inside the cavity

808
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: to bond the carbon fiber to the crown. We actually

809
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: insert literally a bladder inside the back of the head

810
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: and then you pressurize it and expand it so you

811
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: you and then you put it in, you cure it

812
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: and that's what bonds kind of the the resin in

813
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: the carbon fiber to the crown, and then you deflate

814
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 2: it and pull this little baggy or this bladder out.

815
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely incredible manufacturing process. So in my mind, that Rapture

816
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: Driver I talked about the tech a little bit, but

817
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: also has some iconic players, iconic moments.

818
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: Marty, do you know where the name came from for

819
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: that club? I'm always interested in, like the such the

820
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: origin of the names of these clubs. And I know,

821
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: sometimes you've got to feel for it and sometimes maybe

822
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: it was it was somebody else that came up with it.

823
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: But do you have any idea of where Rapture came

824
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: from Yeah.

825
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the Solon family is a very

826
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: very strong family of faith, and so John Solheim personally

827
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: involved in the family in naming our products. And that

828
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: was kind of like the you know, the the resurrection

829
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: of the Driver family and you know, so it was

830
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: really fun to kind of be part of that process.

831
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: And and there's so much tech brought in there being

832
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: able to weave those two things together nice.

833
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: It's like a shout out revelations if you will, Ja

834
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: Wall New Testament in the Ping podcast, you j Wall,

835
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: you're going to mention something about the Rapture. You're just

836
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: had it on your list of of kind of the

837
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: iconic clubs over the last few years.

838
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Marty nailed it. You know, the the

839
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: Carbon It'd been around for a little while, but this

840
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 3: was this was a first for Ping.

841
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 4: Again.

842
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: The name that the fact that on Hell Caberra and

843
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: Christy Kerr both win the two thousand and seven US

844
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: opens the Women's and the Men's with this Driver in

845
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: the bag. I think every manufacturer hopes for success for

846
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: the products when they bring him out on tour, but

847
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 3: nobody ever expects to win two US opens in the

848
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: same year with with that driver in the bag, and

849
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: I think that just goes to show you you know

850
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: that the tech was there, but when you're able to

851
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: marry that up with success on tour, I mean, that's

852
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: what makes it an iconic product. And I think that's

853
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: why if you ask golfers out there, like, what's one

854
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: of those drivers? You know, not going way back, but

855
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: what's one of those more recent ones. Rapture always is

856
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: that one where I hear people. I still hear people

857
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: talking about that driver. Hell, I've even seen it in

858
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: the backs of some guys when I go play golf.

859
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: So there's just something about that product that, again, it

860
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: resonates with pros, it resonates with amateurs, and it's just

861
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 3: one of those unique designs.

862
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: Marty. I remember my mom called. My dad was having

863
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of a big birthday and my mom called years

864
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: ago and said, I'm gonna get him some golf clubs.

865
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: What should I get him? And he got the Rapture Drive.

866
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: It was like, get the Rapture driver, get the Rapture

867
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: three when it was really popular at the time, got

868
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: both of them in the bag. I think they're still

869
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: in the bag today, still plays them still loves them.

870
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: Doesn't play as much golf as he used to play,

871
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: but I guarantee I'm gonna see him over the weekend,

872
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: and I bet they're in the bag and when we

873
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: go out there and see it up.

874
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

875
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: The other thing about the Rapture Driver that I think

876
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: I should mention on the technology side is, you know,

877
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: there's so much buzz out there of you know, using

878
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: AI to do club design and that type of thing

879
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: is we actually used modeling techniques and a kind of

880
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: a form of AI, I guess early on, if you

881
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: want to call it that, to figure out where to

882
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: put those windows, because that Rapture Driver had these window

883
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: like a lattice structure, these windows in the crown, and

884
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: those windows they weren't just there for design styling.

885
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: They were there to.

886
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: Save weight in a way that didn't compromise the way

887
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: that the crown moves structurally.

888
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 4: Right.

889
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: So this was through some modal analysis, which is a

890
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: way that numerically in the computer, through modeling techniques, we

891
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: can shake the driver and see what it's going to

892
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: look like. Look for those low stress areas, take material

893
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: right out of there.

894
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: So super cool.

895
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 2: And then the way we finished it was even cool

896
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Shane and Jwall where you could kind of see the

897
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: titanium underneath. So we had to develop this special paint

898
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: process where you could see the carbon fiber, you can

899
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: see a little bit of the titanium crown. So I

900
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: don't know, my brain just goes into all the blood,

901
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: sweat and tears that went in all the way from

902
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: the design innovation, to the manufacturing, to the finishing, to

903
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: the paint to the green color, to the name and

904
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: then boom the tour success.

905
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

906
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 4: Definitely iconic in our history.

907
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: Was that early dragonfly Marty? Oh, absolutely, that's really cool.

908
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: I don't do where that started.

909
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: And you know what's fun is that we're still doing

910
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: those kind of same things today, but with you know,

911
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: more advanced tools, a deeper understanding, and you know, still

912
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: still using that same fundamentals though in terms of our

913
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: product development approach.

914
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

915
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Jay, Well, when when people listen to this podcast, do

916
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: you think they throw their clubs less after they listen

917
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: to these podcasts? And here we already talk about inventing

918
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: new paint for a driver. Head, You're like, this is

919
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: serious business, guys. Let's not throw the expensive driver you

920
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: just purchase I.

921
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: Think more than anything. When you hear about, you know,

922
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: listening to Marty talk about the how they're designing a

923
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: product like Rapture and all the all the work and

924
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: effort that it takes. Ties I with with, you know,

925
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: bringing these different materials together, these different metals, and then

926
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: hear people grow about you know, this driver is so expensive.

927
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 3: But I think this just reinforces like there's a reason

928
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: why it's expensive. It's because it takes so much time

929
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: and effort to bring these products to life, to bring

930
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: these different materials together. It's it's not cheap to do this.

931
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe maybe people will throw the golf clubs

932
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 3: yet less. I don't think so. But one can help.

933
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: Just helicopter you never never never, you never want to

934
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: hammer it. You always helicopter the throw. Then that thing's

935
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: not going to break that way Marty.

936
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: On the topic of paint, I mean, Jay, well, here's

937
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: an example, Like I think we work on that Rapture

938
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: driver and the first paint process we put on there

939
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: was like three different coats and trying to get the

940
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: tint in the clear coat right, and the paint is

941
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: not you know, it's it's not weightless, right, So I

942
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: mean I think at the time, I think the first

943
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: engineering solution we had for that in the process engineering,

944
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: the total paint weigh like five grams, and you can

945
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: think about how much like for the design engineer if

946
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: you say one gram you are celebrating, you know, are

947
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: like it's painful, like oh this looks good, but it's

948
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: too heavy. So we had to go re engineers the

949
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: paint systems designed to try to strip a couple of

950
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: grams out there, and I think I think the final

951
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: paint finishing process weighed three grams and that was superb.

952
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: So again we even there's there is even a lot

953
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: of engineering and thought and pain that goes into the

954
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: paint finishing process because going back to the ties I

955
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: ties that tech, that paint was super thick. You could

956
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: go on there and look at and feel the edge

957
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: and those probably like, you know, six grams of paint

958
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: on that. So we've been able to strip that down

959
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: and four x are are the massive paint finishing processes nowadays.

960
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: Marty hit us with a couple of more of the

961
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: clubs you have on your list, and then I want

962
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: to get everybody's kind of favorite paint club of all time.

963
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: If you Will I'm going to hit you with a

964
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: couple of iconic moments from pink clubs over the years,

965
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: and then we'll jump out of here. I think we

966
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: could probably do this for four hours and be fine,

967
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: but I'm assume people probably have something else to do after,

968
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, we hit the hour mark talking about the

969
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: iconic pink clubs. But Marty, if you've got a couple

970
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: more on your list, hit us with them.

971
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me throw it out there.

972
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: I think we've talked a lot about clubs have done

973
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: super good on tour and had great innovative stories to it.

974
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go in a little different directions. Still in

975
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: the Rapture family, though, which is the Rapture irons. So

976
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: not a tour iron. This was an innovative iron for

977
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: the high handicap, the everyday golfer. And this iron was

978
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: super innovative because it was a steel body with a

979
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: titanium face and tungsten weights. And again I talked about, Hey,

980
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: the hard part is a designer is being able to

981
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: you know it might it sounds easy, Oh, just join

982
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: titanium with steel and put it all together. Well, in

983
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: practice that's very very hard to do. So this rapture iron,

984
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: which was super popular, kind of an iconic club with

985
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: the high handicapped golfer because it was super forgiving. Had

986
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: a titanium face attached to a steel body with tungusten weights.

987
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 2: And the way we joined that titanium face it was

988
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: it was machined milled grooves. Then we placed it into

989
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: the steel body and we did this process called swedging

990
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: where we came down with these dies that had very

991
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: specific angles to them, and we kind of smashed the

992
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: steel over in a very methodical way and joined that

993
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: titanium face to the steel body. We did it in

994
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: a way where the joint was perfect and so that

995
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: you know, the feel of the iron was amazing with

996
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: this kind of thicker titanium face because you could make

997
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: it thicker because the material is so lightweight, but still

998
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: machine grews to it.

999
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 4: Then we had a lot of.

1000
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: Extra weight to play with, so we put a huge

1001
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: amount of mass, like it was like forty grams of

1002
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: tungusten in the low toe to get the inertia up.

1003
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: That iron, I think has a grassroots kind of had

1004
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: a grassroots following with a high handicap golfer because it

1005
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: was so magical.

1006
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: From a forgiveness standpoint.

1007
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: Jaywall, when you get iron questions from readers, followers, whatever,

1008
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: what would you say the percentage mixes asking high handicap

1009
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: iron questions versus somebody that would, you know, maybe want

1010
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: to try out the Blueprint tea or something.

1011
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: I think it was probably like seventy percent like fifteen

1012
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: plus handicaps and thirty percent on on you know, I'd

1013
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: say like a single digit handicap. There's just I think

1014
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: because of of the industry that I work in and

1015
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: the time that I spent out on tour, I just

1016
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: I just think that everybody plays you know, compact, you know,

1017
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: Cavity back irons, and then you get all the questions

1018
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: and then you realize, like the average golfer out there

1019
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: is never going to break eighty and they're just trying

1020
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: to find something to have fun. Like that's at the

1021
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: end of the day, that's all they want to do.

1022
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: They want to go out on the golf or they

1023
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 3: want to lose lose less balls. They want to you know,

1024
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: get a couple more pars and have a good time

1025
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 3: with their buddies. And so that's where the questions usually

1026
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: come is just like hey, this is my big miss

1027
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: and I'm just looking to try and like mitigate that.

1028
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: So for sure, like higher handicappers like that's like that's

1029
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: my audience, whether whether I want to believe it or not.

1030
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: That's that's who I'm hearing from from more often than not.

1031
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: And again they just they want to have more fun

1032
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: and I get it.

1033
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: But that's that's golf's audience, Jonathan. I mean, I think

1034
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: that's something that you mentioned that we all forget a lot.

1035
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Marty, I've mentioned this multiple times over the years.

1036
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: I caddied at St. Andrew's for five months. I had

1037
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: one player break eighty you know, I mean that. I

1038
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: mean that one player player and I was caddying twice

1039
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: a day almost, you know, five six days a week.

1040
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a lot of golf looping and

1041
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: it opened my eyes to Jay Wall's point, I mean

1042
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: it kind of even opened my eyes at the time

1043
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting there thinking everybody's able to shoot eighty

1044
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: five and you realize that most golfers will never break

1045
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: ninety in their in their life. And Jaywall nailed it.

1046
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean, the idea of club manufacturing. At the end

1047
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: of the day, Marty is you're trying to do the best.

1048
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: You're trying to make it cost the least. You're trying

1049
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: to make it the most efficient for the player. You're

1050
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: also just trying to allow them to go have a

1051
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: little bit more fun. Pick up five yards with the driver,

1052
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: ten yards with the driver, you know, kind of kind

1053
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: of you know, shrink that distance in terms of how

1054
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: far off line they're hitting irons. I mean, that's the

1055
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: idea of all of this, is to make people have

1056
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more fun with the game.

1057
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1058
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: I mean, one philosophy I've tried to bring to the

1059
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 2: team here is this kind of Barbell approach like, which is,

1060
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: if we can take care of the most elite ball

1061
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: striker on the PGA Tour, Victor Hobland, and then we

1062
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: could take care of the beginning golfer, the high handicap golfer.

1063
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: If we understand those two golfers, we have maximum empathy

1064
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: for what they're going through, what their needs are, we'll

1065
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: be able to take care of everyone else in between,

1066
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: because that's where most people live.

1067
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: By the way, I love empathy is the word you use.

1068
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: I think that is so great, It's so true. All right.

1069
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, guys, you're your personal favorite

1070
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: pink club. Now, now, this isn't your first club, this

1071
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: isn't the thing the one you think was the best

1072
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: club ever invented. And I'll start us off. I've actually

1073
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: got mine right here. I have probably had this pin

1074
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: club in my bag the longest. It's not in my

1075
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: bag right now, but it dips in every now and again.

1076
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: If I'm really struggling. This is a G twenty. I'll

1077
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: show it on camera here. This is a G twenty

1078
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: fourwood that I had built. I mean, I mean, what

1079
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: is this, Marty twelve, fourteen years old? I mean, how

1080
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: old is the G twenty family. I'd never had a

1081
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: four wood before. I remember Bill built me this forward

1082
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: because I was talking about gapping with my bag. This

1083
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: was well before Marty had come up with the gapping

1084
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: system online that you can use to simplify the process.

1085
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: This was just simply me telling Bill my numbers and

1086
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: how far stuff was going, and he said, you should

1087
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: get involved in a four wood. So this G twenty

1088
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: four wood, Marty, I have had for a long time.

1089
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: I've gotten rid of a lot of clubs over the years.

1090
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: Jonathan knows that as well as anybody. This thing is

1091
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: not leaving. So that's mine, the G twenty four wood Marty,

1092
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: I'm interested in your answer there.

1093
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: Mine Shane is a G four to ten driver. G

1094
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: four to ten driver. For a number of reasons. It was,

1095
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: you know, I've worked on the G thirty drive. It's

1096
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: almost it was almost a G thirty because I loved

1097
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: that driver. I worked on that one in first one

1098
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: of turbulators, but the G four ten turbulators. Different shaping

1099
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: of turbulators is where we brought the CG shifter in.

1100
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 4: Again.

1101
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: We talked about empathy, Shane. The motivation for me with

1102
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: that was to be able to bring all the tour

1103
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: players being able to custom hot melt their driver healing

1104
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 2: tow to dial in the left right. Let's bring that in,

1105
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: but do it in the pingway, our way, high inertia

1106
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: right around the perimeter.

1107
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 4: So we brought that in.

1108
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: We had really cool kind of shaping on the crown

1109
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: of the driver that was like the hood of a

1110
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: sports car. Also optimized through modal analysis kind of stiffening

1111
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: in certain regions. We changed the hozzle in there so

1112
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: we could get more adjustment with our trajectory tuning sleeve.

1113
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: We had great different model designs with the PLUS and

1114
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: the LST and the SFT did great on tour and selfishly,

1115
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 2: like Jaywall was saying earlier, that's the driver I used

1116
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: to accomplish my you know, kind of life stream was

1117
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: to make the cut in a major. So I used

1118
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: that driver when I made the cut at the PJA

1119
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 2: Championship twenty nineteen.

1120
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 4: Beth paid Black attach.

1121
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: Attach yourselves to the world the most. Like it's like

1122
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: the suit you were on your wedding. You're like, this

1123
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 1: is my favorite suit. This is the one I'm gonna

1124
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: be rocking. Jwall, do you have kind of a pink

1125
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: club that stood out over the years just as your

1126
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: favorite pink club, not necessarily the most popular one out there.

1127
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go back. I had a set of S

1128
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: fifty nine irons and this is going back to like

1129
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 3: when I was basically scratch probably plus any cap playing

1130
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: in college. Thankfully, my my parents had a membership at

1131
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 3: Tradition's Club when I went to A and M. And

1132
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: that was when that was when the Nickels courses kind

1133
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: of just getting off the ground, and there weren't a

1134
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: lot of people out there, weren't a lot of homes

1135
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: yet and so I kid you not, I would go

1136
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: out there every day and this set of irons was

1137
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: they just they.

1138
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 4: Fit me so well.

1139
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 3: And I don't think I could play them now because

1140
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 3: they're they're a bit more the bit too blady for

1141
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: my for my reference. But they had that stabilizing bar

1142
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: in the back. They they were such a great looking club,

1143
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: but they had they had a little bit more forgiveness

1144
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: than than the shaping. And I just remember just wearing

1145
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: those things out. It's like I don't even have them

1146
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 3: anymore because the grooves on them, especially like the nine

1147
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: iron a pitching gudge, were just completely shot. And I

1148
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: think that's like, that's the fun part, is like that

1149
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: that set of irons I had for a couple of years,

1150
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: and I just played so much golf I had. I

1151
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: just had a blast with them the great iron out

1152
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: on tour. But yeah, that for sure. S fifty nine

1153
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: and Big Surprice they turned into S fifty five and

1154
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 3: and you know those those are pretty decent irons. Like

1155
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: we talked about.

1156
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: Exactly, I think we know which one your true favorite is.

1157
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: I think I had the fifty five's Marty. You remember

1158
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: when you got them out of the works program and

1159
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: they'd have the W on the toe.

1160
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1161
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case anymore, but I remember

1162
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: I had the the W on the toe with my

1163
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: fifty fives that I'd have people that would randomly ask you,

1164
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: Sweat what that was or what that meant, and I

1165
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: was like, I don't worry about that. That that's for

1166
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: me to know and you to find out.

1167
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1168
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: S fifty nine, that was a great That was our

1169
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: first blade. That was our first true blade iron. I'm

1170
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: obviously we made the I three I three plus blade,

1171
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: but nothing like that S fifty nine.

1172
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 4: And you know, it was fun.

1173
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 2: Again, going back to the naming, we were sitting around, Hey,

1174
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: what should we name this iron? Shoot fifty nine? That's

1175
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: the goal with that iron. So where it all started.

1176
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: I love that. Well, now it might VJ. Well, we

1177
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: see a lot more fifty nine these days than we

1178
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: have previously, especially when those irons were popping up. By

1179
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: the way, if you're listening to the podcast and you're

1180
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: enjoying this, if you will send in. You can tag

1181
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: ping on Twitter or Instagram or whatever, but just send

1182
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: in your favorite ping club of all time, and if

1183
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: you have a picture of it, or if you have

1184
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: it at home or whatever. We love to see it

1185
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: as well, and we'll share some of those as we

1186
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: kind of wind down. I'm just going to hit you

1187
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: guys on some iconic clubs over the years. Obviously Baba

1188
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: Masters twenty twelve. I think I'd argue this is the

1189
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: most iconic shot ever hit with the Pink Club. Is

1190
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: that fair to say, Marty?

1191
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1192
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 2: I think yeah, absolutely. I mean just Bubba, the club,

1193
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: the conditions, the shot. He's the only person probably on

1194
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: planet Earth that could pull that one off, and he

1195
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: did it when it mattered most.

1196
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a ping tour w wedge for Bubba

1197
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: when he hit that to win the Masters in twenty twelve,

1198
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: same Masters, by the way, Louis double eagle, if you remember,

1199
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: that was a Ping S fifty six four iron I

1200
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: think that was two fifty six jwall, which as I

1201
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: get older, you're like four iron two fifty six. I mean,

1202
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: I know he landed it on the front, which is

1203
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: probably too two.

1204
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was jagged, you know, Louis, I mean he was.

1205
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1206
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: He didn't miss the center often with those clubs, especially

1207
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: back in the early twenty two ends. But that was amazing.

1208
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: And then Sadie Lyle one iron eighty eight Masters. That

1209
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: was back in one iron days. But I believe he

1210
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: used a ping one iron when he won both his

1211
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: major championships. But those then, of course, the Suzanne story

1212
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: I told you with the Doc Putter earlier are some

1213
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: of the iconic ones I have. Marty, did I miss anything?

1214
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: Do you have anything that pops in your brain in

1215
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: terms of an iconic pink club used in a big moment.

1216
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'll throw I'll throw it out there.

1217
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: That might be a little non consensus, but you know

1218
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: in a major it went to win a major. In

1219
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: a US Open, I know because I've played in one,

1220
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you hit the fairway, you can you

1221
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: know You're like, okay, I'm gonna make a par Yeah. Right,

1222
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: So I'm going to say, on hell, Cabrera raptured driver

1223
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: Tiger staring down his neck and he just crushes it

1224
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 2: right down eighteen and Oakmont guarantees the victory.

1225
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean he bombed that one bombing You mean that

1226
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: that was like, I think it might have been the

1227
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: longest t shot of the day on eighteen and Cabrera

1228
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: hit the fairway. Then if you remember Tiger poses on

1229
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: his and it kind of kept going right, got in

1230
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: the in the first cut, kind of up against that

1231
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: second cut, and it was not a great lie. He

1232
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: had a really good shot there, nearly made birdie. But yeah,

1233
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: I think that's a great call on the on the

1234
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: Cabrera Raptors driver there at eighteen, because, like you said,

1235
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: one of the hardest closing holes in golf. I think

1236
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: you could go through Oakmont's eighteen and say that's the

1237
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: hardest first, and hardest second, and hardest third hole, but

1238
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: definitely one of the hardest closing holes.

1239
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: Is We're forgetting one boys nineteen eighty six PGA Championship

1240
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: bopped play. Yeah, falling out I too, great point, Such

1241
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 3: a great moment with him jumping with it with his

1242
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: arms up in the air. You can't see my arms

1243
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: right now with the right but you know, it's just

1244
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: it's one of those iconic moments. Beat Norman. I mean, yeah,

1245
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 3: that's and we haven't really really talked about that wedge.

1246
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 3: I mean that that's another product that's been copied by

1247
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: a lot of other manufacturers over the years.

1248
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, a great point.

1249
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: You got the hold out from Bob Tway, you got

1250
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: the Zinger Azinger the in memorial with the Eye two.

1251
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times is an io lob wedge

1252
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: hold out out of a bunker to win a tournament?

1253
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 4: Is the question.

1254
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: We could spend it now talking about that.

1255
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and mart and Marty they're back. I mean, I

1256
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: think that's one of the coolest part of the New

1257
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: Wedges is you can go back in time in a

1258
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: way and play kind of one of the more iconic

1259
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: ping clubs that existed.

1260
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 4: Totally. Yeah.

1261
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: I mean that's a theme across all these clubs we've

1262
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: talked about, is that we go we as the designers,

1263
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: we go study these like what are the important attributes

1264
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: about all these and we plug those right into our

1265
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: latest and greatest designs and design theories.

1266
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: Jay Wall, I've been really really considering starting a golf

1267
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: tour called nineteen ninety six Golf Tour, and you just

1268
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: basically have to only play equipment that was built around

1269
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. I feel like this podcast now makes

1270
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: me more than ever want to go like put together

1271
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: a bag of high school Shane Bacon club. You should

1272
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: know because of that, it just sounds like so much fun,

1273
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: Like Hickories or Hickories and everybody enjoys maybe going out

1274
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: and doing that here and there. I want to play

1275
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: the clubs that we've talked about, the nighties era that

1276
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: I played when I was in high school. This has

1277
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: been great. Anything else, guys before we sign off, because

1278
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I have a feeling we might have to do this

1279
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: again in the coming years, because we could probably go

1280
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: down and go down kind of the the memory of

1281
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: all the iconic clubs over the years and bring on

1282
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: some different voices to touch on it. But Martin, anything

1283
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: else before we sign off?

1284
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 2: No, I think next time, Jaywall, this would be fun.

1285
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: We should do We should do this kind of focused

1286
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: around shafts and grips. I think that'd be super fun,

1287
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: just throwing that out there.

1288
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 3: Boys, there's a very iconic grip that we didn't mention,

1289
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: used by a guy that's won fifteen majors.

1290
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a great point. You know what, maybe one

1291
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: of the more why was someone using this thing in

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Speaker 1: the history of golf? And uh, I feel like the

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Speaker 1: story is maybe worth another podcast, Jay Wall, what do

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Speaker 1: you got coming up? I mean, obviously this is going

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Speaker 1: to air a little bit after we record, but I

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Speaker 1: know you're always kind of focused on the equipment world

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Speaker 1: and what you're doing in that. I mean, you're always

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Speaker 1: venturing out talking to players and such. Just pay people

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Speaker 1: pay attention to the podcast and and go to golf

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Speaker 1: dot com and check out the writing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. This is actually my favorite time of

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Speaker 3: the year because I'm not crazy busy, but it is.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of the calm before the storm as we

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Speaker 3: ramp up for our yearly club test later in the

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Speaker 3: year and start testing new product and getting the robot

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Speaker 3: fired up. So yeah, it's just check out golf dot com.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a lot of cool content. And just had

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Speaker 3: so much fun just being on this podcast. Was this

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Speaker 3: was a lot of fun to kind of go back

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Speaker 3: down memory lane and talk about a lot of clubs

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Speaker 3: that I remember, clubs that I use. It's all fun

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Speaker 3: to do that.

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Speaker 1: It's the best. Like I said, I mean, you can

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Speaker 1: go around and throw out random athletes names if you want,

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Speaker 1: and you can do that if you're a basketball fan

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Speaker 1: or a football fan. For US golfers, it's do you

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Speaker 1: remember the Rapture driver? The guys like, yeah, I had

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Speaker 1: the three would I mean, that's just like one of

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Speaker 1: the great parts of being a golfer and nerding out

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Speaker 1: on equipment, so Jaywall really appreciate it. Man, been a

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Speaker 1: buddy of mine for a long long time in this industry.

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Speaker 1: We will never remember the restaurant that we eat at

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Speaker 1: in Palm Springs, but we will forever and remember the

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Speaker 1: moment that we had enjoying that. And Marty will catch

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Speaker 1: back up very very soon. Congrats on all the success

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Speaker 1: lately on the golf course. Man, it's been fun to

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Speaker 1: watch jwallgolf dot com fully Equipped podcast. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: subscribe if you're not already. This is the Ping Proven

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