1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Hey, Clayan Buck listeners, It's Tucker Carlson. I'm actually a 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: friend of Clayan Bucks. Not to brag, and more now 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: that we're both in independent media, and in fact, there's 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: really no media in America apart from independent media. 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: The other guys are. 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Just political operatives, the praetorian guard of the ruling class. 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: They're only lying to you. They hate you. If you 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: want to know what's actually happening, if you want to 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: know what's true, if you're going to have any hope 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: of being informed, you have to get out of NBC, CNN, 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: New York Times, Washington Post, World and get into independent media. 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: And that's where we are now. We've been doing a 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: show on x for the past few months, and a 14 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: bunch of people have asked if they could listen to 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: the show as a podcast. Well, you can check out 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: this sample episode. Subscribe now to the Tucker Carlson Podcast. Amazingly, 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: it was four years next month that the first stories 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: appeared in the American news media about a virus spreading 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: through a city in central China, Wu Han. 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: The virus didn't have a name. 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: Over time, it was named COVID, and it changed world history. 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago. But we don't talk about 23 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: it very much anymore, in the way that you don't 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: talk about traumatic things that happened to you. But that 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's over, and it doesn't mean that huge 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: decisions aren't being made right now that will affect your 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: life and the lives. 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 2: Of your children. Those decisions are being made. 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: The story is not over, and so we thought it 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: would be worth taking just a moment to explain what 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: that looks like. And there's no better person to do 32 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: that than Brett Weinstein. He's an evolutionary biologist. He taught 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: at the college level for many years. He's got a 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: fascinating by which he should look up because it's an 35 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: amazing story. He's now the host with his wife of 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: the Dark Horse podcast and the author of a best 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: selling and very excellent book that came out not long ago. 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: He joins us now, right, great to see you. 39 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: It is great to see you. 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: So instead of peppering you with all kinds of pointed questions, 41 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: I want to guide you and sit back, mostly as 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: you tell the story of COVID in condensed form. What 43 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: are the outlines of what we know now and where 44 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: we're going, what's the next chapter in the story? 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: Well, first, let me just respond to something you said 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: up front. Nobody wants to be thinking about COVID anyway. 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: It was a traumatic and exhausting experience. I don't want 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: to be thinking about COVID anymore either. But what I 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: find is that every time I look away and move 50 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: on to other topics, things move just out of our sideline. 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: And these things couldn't possibly be more important. So I'm 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: going to try to explain where we are and how 53 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 3: we got here, and what the implications are in the 54 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: present that people are largely not noticing. Perfect all right, 55 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: So I thought maybe it would be worth starting with 56 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: just some parts of the education that we all got 57 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: during COVID. I know that I learned tremendous amount about 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: not only viruses and pandemics and public health, but also 59 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: about pharma, which is something frankly, I thought I knew 60 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: a lot about. I had run into it earlier in 61 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: my academic career, so I thought I was something of 62 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: an expert. But I got schooled over the course of COVID. 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: What I've come to understand is something I call the 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: game of pharma. If you think about what pharma is. 65 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: We tend to imagine that it is an industry that 66 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: is hell bent on finding drugs that will make us healthier. Yes, 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: that's not what it is. In fact, pharma is healthy 68 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: when people are sick. And many people have noticed this 69 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: that of course it depends on ill health, so it 70 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: has a perverse incentive. But what I think most of 71 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: us did not realize is how elaborate its bag of 72 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: tricks is and what the nature of that bag of 73 00:03:54,120 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: tricks is. And to describe it, I would say pharma 74 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: is an intellectual property racket, or at least that's what 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: it has become. That essentially, pharma owns various things. It 76 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 3: owns molecules, compounds, it owns technologies, and what it's looking 77 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: for is a disease to which these things flausibly apply, 78 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: and its profits go up to the extent that the 79 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: disease is widespread, to the extent of the disease is serious, 80 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: to the extent that competing drugs are unsafe or ineffective, 81 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: to the extent that the government will mandate a drug, 82 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: to the extent that the medical establishment will declare it 83 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: the standard of care. All of these things. 84 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: You've just described pandemic response. 85 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: Well, that I did, and that's where I learned all 86 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: of these tricks. Was that basically, every day of the year, 87 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: pharma is engaged in portraying the properties that it owns 88 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: as more useful than they are, safer than they are, 89 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: and persuading the medical establishment, the journals, the societies, the hospitals, 90 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 3: the government to direct people towards drugs they wouldn't otherwise 91 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: be taking. So that's what the racket is, and it 92 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: is necessary to understand that because you need to realize 93 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: that before COVID ever happened, pharma was expert at figuring 94 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: out how to portray a disease as more widespread and 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: more serious than it was. It was excellent at portraying 96 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: a compound as more efficacious than it is, safer than 97 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: it is. And so when COVID happened, all of this 98 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 3: occurred at a different scale. COVID was bigger than anything 99 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: that had ever happened before, but none of it was 100 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: new to pharma, and all of it was new to 101 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 3: us in the public trying to understand what we were 102 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: supposed to do about this ostensibly very serious disease. So 103 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: I'm now going to put a hypothesis on the table 104 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: about why things unfolded the way they did, and it 105 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: involves that game of pharma. What was pharma thinking? Why 106 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: was it so obsessed with making sure that we all 107 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: took the so called vaccines that were on offer. Why 108 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: was it so obsessed with making sure that we didn't 109 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 3: take the alternative repurposed drugs that so many doctors claimed 110 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: were highly effected as treatments, right ibermactin, hydroxychloroquine. These things 111 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 3: were demonized and we were told not to take them, 112 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: and we were mocked if we distrusted that advice. So 113 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: the question is, what was all that? Why would that 114 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: have happened? And again this is not certain, but what 115 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: I've pieced together is that pharma owned what was potentially 116 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: the biggest pharmacological cache, how conceivable. It owned a beautiful technology, 117 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: and I mean that sincerely, something truly brilliant that would 118 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: potentially not only allow a bright future from the perspective 119 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: of creating new treatments and new I hesitate to use 120 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: the word vaccine because it doesn't really apply, but new 121 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: vaccine like technologies, but that it could do this indefinitely 122 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: into the future, and it could allow you to reformulate 123 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: every vaccine currently on the market. And what's more, the 124 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: property in question would allow this whole process to be 125 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: streamlined at an incredible level, because effectively, all you needed 126 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: was a sequence, a genetic sequence from a pathogen, and 127 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: you could literally type it into a machine and produce 128 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: a vaccine that was already in use but for the 129 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: swapping out of the antigen in question. 130 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: So it was like Legos. 131 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly like Legos. And presumably with some justification 132 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: to the extent that this technology was safe, Pharma would 133 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: be able to argue, well, we don't really need to 134 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: go through thorough safety testing of the entire platform each 135 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: time we deploy it. All we need to do is 136 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: figure out if the antigen that we've loaded in this 137 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: time is in some way more dangerous than the last one. 138 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: The problem so that the technology in question is the 139 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: mRNA transfection platform, which was wrongly in this case called 140 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: a vaccine, and it is ingenius. It solves a really 141 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: important problem from gene therapy, which is oftentimes you want 142 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: to get the body to do something. Let's say that 143 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: you are missing a functional copy of a gene that 144 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: produces some product like insulin, that you need. Well, you 145 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 3: could take insulin, or it would be great if we 146 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: could convince your body to produce the product itself, like 147 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: a healthy person does very hard to do that, though, 148 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: because the body is composed in adult humans thirty trillion 149 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: cells or something. So how do you get cells to 150 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: take up the message and produce enough of the product 151 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: to matter. Well. The mRNA technology allows you to induce 152 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 3: cells to take up an mRNA message, which they will 153 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: then automatically transcribe, and it does this by encapsulating these 154 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: messages in lipid nanoparticle. Lipid just means fat and may 155 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: remember from basic chemistry like attracts like, dissolves like, and 156 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: so these fats get taken up by cells very regularly 157 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: for simple chemical reasons, and then the message gets transcribed, 158 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 3: and voila. You've gotten cells to produce something that they 159 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: did not have to produce in the first place. Useful 160 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: for vaccine like technology, useful for curing deficiencies. The problem, however, 161 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: is that this amazing technology, which it's very hard to 162 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: estimate how much money pharma might have made for I 163 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: think hundreds of billions of dollars, is absolutely certain trillions 164 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: of dollars is not off the table, given that this 165 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: would allow patentable drugs to be produced indefinitely into the future. 166 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: But the technology itself has a terrible safety flaw that, 167 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: in my opinion, never would have gotten through even the 168 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: most cursory safety tests. And that flaw is that there's 169 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 3: no targeting of the lipid nanoparticles. The lipid nanoparticles will 170 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: be taken up by any cell they encounter, and while 171 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: that's not perfectly random, it will be haphazard around the body. Now, 172 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: if they were limited, if they simply stayed in the 173 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: injection site, as we were told when the vaccine rollout began, 174 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 3: the vaccines, the so called vaccines, stay in the action site, well, 175 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: then the cells that took up these messages would be 176 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: in your deltoid and what happens next wouldn't be terribly serious. 177 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: The problem is we learn very quickly, and should have 178 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: predicted from the get go that they weren't going to 179 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 3: stay in the delta. All of anything you inject in 180 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 3: that space is going to leak out and it's going 181 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: to circulate around the body. And here's the problem. Forgive me, 182 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: this is a little bit technical, I know that, but 183 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: it involves understanding how immunity naturally develops. So when you 184 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: become sick, let's say with a virus, some particle has 185 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: gotten into a cell of yours and it has hijacked it, 186 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 3: and it has started. It has tricked that cell into 187 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: producing copies of itself more viruses, which effect were infect 188 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: adjacent cells, and if the virus is an effective one, 189 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: they will also figure out how to jump out of you, 190 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: like when you cough and get inhaled by the next 191 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: person and infect their cells. The body's response to seeing 192 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: a cell of yours which it recognizes as yours that 193 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: is producing an antigen, that is to say, a protein 194 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: that it doesn't recognize, is to assume that that cell 195 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: is virally infected, yes, and to destroy it. That is 196 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: the only correct thing for the body to do when 197 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: it encounters a cell of yours making foreign protein. Now, 198 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: this transfection technology, the mRNA vaccine technology as they called it, 199 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: does exactly this. It tricks your cells into producing foreign 200 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: antigens which the immune system cannot help but recognize as 201 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: an indicator of infection, and it destroys those cells. If 202 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: those cells are in the muscle in your arm, not 203 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: a huge deal. It's not good for you get a 204 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: sore arm. Presumably we might be able to measure a 205 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: decrease in your strength, but it's not going to shorten 206 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 3: your life. However, if the these transfection agents circulate around 207 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: the body as we know they do, and get taken 208 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: up haphazardly, then whatever tissue starts producing these foreign proteins 209 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: is going to be attacked by your Amian systry. 210 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: So you definitely wouldn't want any of this getting near 211 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: a person's heart or brain. 212 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: Definitely not and very bad if it happens in your brain. 213 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 3: It's particularly critical if it happens in your heart because 214 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: your heart, for reasons we can go into if you want, 215 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: has an incredibly low capacity for repair. In fact, your 216 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: heart doesn't really repair what it does. You get a wound, 217 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: if lose cells from your heart your heart, then scar 218 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: is over and that will affect your heart rhythm, your 219 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: capacity to transport oxygen and CO two around the body. 220 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: It will potentially shorten your life, and it will also 221 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 3: create a vulnerability that you won't know that you have 222 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: until you're like playing soccer or something exactly. So, if 223 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: you imagine somebody has received one of the transfection shots, 224 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: and especially in the unfortunate case where it has been 225 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: injected intravenously, which isn't supposed to happen. But the instructions 226 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: on this shot were not to aspirate the needle. A 227 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: proper injection should evolve pulling back on the plunger in 228 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 3: the syringe in order to see if there's blood. If 229 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: there's blood, that indicates that you've landed in a circulatory vessel, 230 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: and that you should back the needle off or plunge 231 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: it farther so that you're not injecting it directly into 232 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: a vein. But in the case of these shots, amazing 233 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: as the sounds, the advice was don't do that because 234 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: it requires the needle to be in the person's arm longer, 235 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: might create extra pain, and they didn't want to create 236 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: vaccine hesitancy was their excuse. So anyway, you might get 237 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: a big bolus of this material and it might flow 238 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: right through your heart and get taken up by a 239 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: bunch of cells. 240 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: And just for perspective, do we have any guess as 241 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: to how many of these shots were given out globally? 242 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: It's definitely in the billions billions. Yeah, it's in the 243 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: with the MR and a technology, Yes, which is an 244 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: amazing fact. I mean the in addition to the technology 245 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: itself being remarkable, the rate at which this was scaled 246 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: up is positively incredible. Now it had terrible downsides. I 247 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 3: don't know if we'll have time to get to the 248 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: downsides of the way they scaled up their production on these, 249 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: but if we can separate the marvel of what they did, yes, 250 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: there's an awful lot of stuff here that's beyond wizardry. 251 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: It's it's just incredible that they what they accomplished. 252 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: Could So I'm sorry, I don't want to take you 253 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: off track, but you were describing what would happen if 254 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: it went to various organs. 255 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: It would damage them. What could it cause cancers too? 256 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: We can get back at that. We clearly are seeing 257 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: an uptick in cancers, and an uptick in cancers that 258 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: are unusual, especially in their speed. So maybe if we 259 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: have time, we can come back to the reasons that 260 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: that might be occurring. As a lot of discussion amongst 261 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: the medical dissidence about why that pattern exists and what 262 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: it implies. But yes, clearly cancers are one of the 263 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: failure modes of the body, and this highly novel technology 264 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: clearly had that as a risk, even if we didn't 265 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 3: know what mechanism it would happen by. But yes, let's 266 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: say you're a soccer player and you've been injected with 267 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: this stuff and the bullus of it has hit your 268 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: heart and caused a bunch of your cells to be 269 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: destroyed by your own immune system, by cytotoxic T cells 270 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: and natural killer cells. Well, now you've got a wound. 271 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: If you manage to survive to have it scar over, 272 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: then that wound will be less of a vulnerability than 273 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: it would otherwise be. But if in the period after 274 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: you've been damaged, before your heart has fully scarred, you 275 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: were to push yourself to some new athletic limit. Let's 276 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: say you're in the middle of a particularly intense game, right, 277 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: that would be exactly the time when a weakness in 278 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 3: a vessel wall might cause a critical failure and you 279 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 3: could die on the field. So this was very plausible 280 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 3: mechanism to explain the pattern of sudden desks that we 281 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: have seen oftentimes in people who are unusually healthy and athletic. Yes, 282 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: so to go back to the original story, pharma had 283 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 3: a potentially tremendously lucrative property that it couldn't bring to 284 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: market because a safety test would have revealed this unsolvable 285 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: problem at its heart. And so what I'm wondering, my hypothesis, 286 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: is that it recognized that the thing that would bypass 287 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: that obstacle was an emergency that caused the public to 288 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: demand a remedy to allow them to go back to 289 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 3: work and to living their lives. That would cause the 290 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: government to streamline the safety testing process so that it 291 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 3: wouldn't spot these things. And indeed, one of the things 292 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 3: that we see, in addition to a lot more harm 293 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: in those safety tests than we were initially allowed to understand, 294 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: but also the safety testing was radically truncated so that 295 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: long term harms were impossible to detect. So the hypothesis 296 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: in question is pharma used an emergency to bypass an obstacle, 297 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: to bring an incredibly lucrative technology, to normalize it in 298 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: the public, and the regulatory apparatus to sneak it by 299 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: the things that would ordinarily prevent the dangerous technology like 300 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 3: this one from being widely deployed. 301 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: So I think that sounds entirely pausible, in fact likely 302 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: very likely. But the downside for pharma, and of course 303 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: the US is that if you roll out a harmful 304 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: product evading the conventional safety screens, you're going to hurt 305 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people. And then what so, just first 306 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: part of the question, what do you think we're going 307 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: to see in terms of a death toll an injury 308 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: toll from this vaccine? 309 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 3: So called? A lot has gone into preventing us from 310 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: answering that question, and some very dedicated people have done 311 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: some very high quality work and the numbers are staggering. 312 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 3: Now I'm hesitant to say what I think the toll 313 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: might be because this is not my area of expertise 314 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: and I would leave it to others. I would say 315 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 3: John Campbell would be an excellent source to look at. 316 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: There's some new material out of New Zealand which is 317 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: jaw dropping. I haven't had time to look at it 318 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: in depth, so I'm a little concerned about putting my 319 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: weight on the ice. But let's say here's what well, 320 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: here's what we know. Joseph Frahman and his colleagues, including 321 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: Peter Doshe, did an evaluation of Pfiser's own safety data 322 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 3: from its safety trials, and these trials were absurdly short. 323 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 3: In fact, Pfiser only allowed one month before it vaccinated 324 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: its controls and made it impossible to detect further harms. 325 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: And what they found was a one in eight hundred 326 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 3: rate of serious adverse event. This is not minor stuff, 327 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 3: this is a serious harm to health. One in eight 328 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 3: hundred per shot. That's not per person, that's per shot 329 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: one in eight hundred rate, which in one month. That 330 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: suggests a very a very high mortality risk, and in 331 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: fact we saw mortality in the safety trials. What happens 332 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: over the long term. We've certainly seen such a range 333 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: of pathologies that have crippling effects on people's health that 334 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 3: I shuddered to think how many people have actually. 335 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: So I'm not a math genius, but one in eight 336 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: hundred shots times billions, is you know a lot of people? 337 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 3: Yep, there was a press. I was recently at a 338 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: conference in Romania on the COVID crisis, and so there 339 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: was a lot of work trying to unpack what we 340 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 3: actually understand. And I saw a credible estimate of something 341 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 3: like seventeen million deaths globally from this technology. 342 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: So seventeen million deaths from the COVID vacs. 343 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: Well, when you know, when you scale up to billions, 344 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 3: it's not hard to reach a number like that with 345 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 3: the technology. That's dangerous. Now to your deeper question, I think, 346 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: let's steal man. 347 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: So just for perspective, I mean, that's like the death 348 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: toll of a global war. 349 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, this is a great tragedy of history, so 350 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: that proportion, and amazingly, there is no way in which 351 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 3: it's over. I mean, we are still apparently recommending these 352 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 3: things for healthy children, ever stood any chance of getting 353 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: any benefit from every chance of suffering harms that are 354 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: not only serious but tragic on the basis that children 355 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 3: have long lives ahead of them. If you ruin a 356 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 3: child's immune system in youth, they have to spend the 357 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: rest of their presumably shortened life in that state. So 358 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 3: never made any sense that we were giving this to 359 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: kids in the first place. The fact that we're still 360 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 3: doing it when the emergency, to the extent there even 361 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: was one, is clearly over, and when there's never been 362 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: any proper justification of administering it to healthy kids. It 363 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 3: just healthy kids don't die of COVID and the shot 364 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: doesn't prevent you from catching or transmitting it. So there 365 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: was there was just literally no justification you could come up. 366 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 3: But I think a lot of us, maybe call us normies, 367 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 3: have a hard time imagining the breathtaking evil that it 368 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 3: would take to allow such a tragedy to unfold, or 369 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: to cause it to unfold for profit. I still struggle 370 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: to imagine. But think about think about it this way. 371 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: Pharma on a normal day is composed of people who 372 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: have to become even if they were doing their job 373 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: exactly right, they have to be comfortable with causing a 374 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: certain amount of death. Right if you give a drug 375 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 3: to people, if the net effect is positive, but it's 376 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: going to kill some people who would have lived if 377 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 3: they never got it. Somehow, you have to sleep at 378 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: night having put that drug into the world. And you know, 379 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 3: we want if we had a healthy pharma industry, we 380 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: would want them to produce the drugs that had a 381 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: net benefit. And net benefit includes some serious harms. So 382 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 3: once you have stepped on that slippery slope, though, once 383 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 3: you have become comfortable with causing deaths, then I believe 384 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 3: it becomes very easy to rationalize that the greater good 385 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 3: is being served by X, Y or Z. And then 386 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 3: there's some point at which you're causing enough harm and 387 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 3: you're you know, when pharma takes an old out of 388 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: patent drug and supersedes it with a new, highly profitable drug, 389 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: they've done something that's negative. We should almost always prefer 390 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 3: the older drug, unless the evidence is extremely convincing. The 391 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 3: new drug is just world's better because an old drug 392 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: we know something about its interactions with other things, we 393 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 3: know something its safety profile. New is not better when 394 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: it comes to molecules that you're going to be taking 395 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: into your biology. Fair but pharma has to be in 396 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: the business of getting you to take the new and 397 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 3: having you distrust the old. And so anyway, I think 398 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: there's a way in which the rationalization has no limit, 399 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: and they've gotten to the point that they are willing 400 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 3: to cause a huge amount of death apparently, and even 401 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 3: at the point that it's been revealed in public, they 402 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: don't stop, which is another amazing fact. You would imagine 403 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: that they would have been embarrassed into stopping this vaccination 404 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: program at this point. 405 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: So the problem, though, I would say for far mean 406 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: for the politicians who support and promote them in the 407 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: media who do the same, is that there are people 408 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: like you who are not crack plots, who are scientists 409 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: and physicians, longtime researchers with fully credentialed work histories. Not 410 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: too many, but a sizeable number who will not let go, 411 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: who are completely dogged in the pursuit of more data 412 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: about this. 413 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: So like, what do they do with you and people 414 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 2: like you? 415 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think the astonishing thing is that a as 416 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: you point out, small group of dissidents upended their narrative. 417 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 3: Uptake rates on the new boosters are in the low 418 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: single digits, so. 419 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 2: A large single digit yes, so nobody's taking it. 420 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 3: Nobody's taking them now. I'm troubled by the fact that 421 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: at the same time we don't see a massive majority 422 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: acknowledging the vaccination campaign was a mistake in the first place. 423 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: They got it and they don't want to think about it. 424 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 3: And I get it. I get it. I wouldn't want 425 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: to think about it either. But the problem is it's 426 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: a moral obligation. I mean, we're still injecting these things 427 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 3: into kids for God's sake. So it is important to 428 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: stand up and say I was had, and I think 429 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 3: all of us were. I believed that this vaccine was 430 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: likely effective when it first came out and the thing 431 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 3: that triggered Heather and me to question it was the 432 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: fact that we were also told that it was safe, 433 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: which couldn't possibly be true. Might have been harmless, but 434 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: they couldn't say safe because nobody on Earth knew what 435 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 3: the long term impacts would be. And when you say safe, 436 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 3: you're not. If I say I drove home drunk, but 437 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: I made it without harm, so it was safe, you 438 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 3: know that I have said something fully, yes, And in 439 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 3: this case, even if the thing had turned out to 440 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 3: be harmless, nobody could know that it was, so it 441 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 3: wasn't safe, and for them to assure us that it 442 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 3: was alive from the get go. That's what caused Heather 443 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: and me to start looking into it. And the deeper 444 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 3: we dug, the crazier the story got. Not safe and ineffective, 445 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: in fact harmful and shockingly ineffective at everything that you 446 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: might want it to be effective at. So the story 447 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: is an odd one. The fact that that small number 448 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 3: of dissidents was able to upend the narrative, was able 449 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: to bring people's awareness to the massive levels of harm 450 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 3: and the ineffectiveness of the shots, is in some ways 451 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: the most surprising element of the story. And I think 452 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: it truly surprised pharma and its partners in social media, 453 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: in government on governmental organizations. I think they thought that 454 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: they owned enough of the media that they could sell 455 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 3: us any narrative that they wished, And I think, surprising 456 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 3: as it is, they didn't really understand that podcasts could 457 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: possibly be a countervailing force of significance. 458 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: If you own NBC News, it's enough you. 459 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 3: Would think, all right, you know, it's failing to update 460 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: from the buying by the barrel aphorism. So what happened 461 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: was it turned out that a number of us were 462 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: willing to make mistakes and correct them in real time, 463 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: to talk about this in plain English with the public, 464 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: to do so, you know, in Joe Rogan's man cave. 465 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: And the fact is people listened, because of course, this 466 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 3: was on everybody's mind and what they were supposed to 467 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: do to protect you know, they've been terrified, and what 468 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: to do to protect your family's health was a question 469 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: that everybody wanted to know the answer to. So our 470 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: ability to reach millions of people surprised those who thought 471 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: they were just going to shove this narrative down our throats. 472 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 3: And this gets me to the who the World Health 473 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: Organization and its pandemic Preparedness Plan modifications. What I believe 474 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: is going on is the World Health Organization is now 475 00:29:53,840 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 3: revising the structures that allowed the dissidents to upend the narrative, 476 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: and they are looking for a rematch. I think what 477 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: they want are the measures that would have allowed them 478 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: to silence the podcasters, to mandate various things internationally in 479 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: a way that would prevent the emergence of a control group, 480 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: that would allow us to see harms clearly. So that's 481 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: the reason that I think people, as much as they 482 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: want to move on from thinking about COVID, maybe stop 483 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: thinking about COVID, but do start thinking about what has 484 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: taken place with respect to medicine, with respect to public health, 485 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 3: with respect to pharma, and ask yourself the question, given 486 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: what you now know, would you want to relive a 487 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: pandemic like the COVID pandemic without the tools that allowed 488 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: you to ultimately in the end see clearly that it 489 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: didn't make sense to take another one of these shots, 490 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: or to have your kids take right. We want those tools, 491 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: In fact, we need them. Something is quietly moving just 492 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 3: out of sight in order that we will not have 493 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 3: access to them the next time we face a serious emergency. 494 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: So you're saying that an international health organization could just 495 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: end the First Amendment in the United States. 496 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 3: Yes, And in fact, as much as this sounds, I 497 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 3: know that it sounds preposterous, but it. 498 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 2: Does not sound preposterous. 499 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: The ability to do it is currently under discussion at 500 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 3: the international level, and it's almost impossible to exaggerate how 501 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 3: troubling what is being discussed is. In fact, I think 502 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 3: it is fair to say that we are in the 503 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 3: middle of a coup, that we are actually facing the 504 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: elimination of our national and our personal sovereignty, and that 505 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 3: that is the purpose of what is being constructed. That 506 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 3: it has been written in such a way that your 507 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 3: eyes are supposed to glaze over as you attempt to 508 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 3: sort out what is under discussion. And if you do that, 509 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 3: then come May of this year, your nation is almost 510 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 3: certain to sign on to an agreement that, in some 511 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 3: utterly vaguely described future circumstance a public health emergency, which 512 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: the Director General of the World Health Organization has total 513 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 3: liberty to define in any way that he sees fit. 514 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: In other words, nothing prevents climate change from being declared 515 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 3: a public health emergency that would trigger the provisions of 516 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 3: these modifications. And in the case that some emergency or 517 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 3: some pretense of an emergency shows up, the provisions that 518 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: would kick in are beyond John dropping. 519 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: So before you. 520 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: Get into it, and I just want to thank you, 521 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: by the way, for taking the time to go through 522 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: this proposal, because you're absolutely right. It's it's impenetrable. It's 523 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: designed to be to cloak what they're saying rather than eliminated. 524 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: What's it called. 525 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: Well, the funny thing is actually I was looking this 526 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 3: morning to find out what the current name is and 527 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 3: the names have actually been shifted slightly, clearly a feature. 528 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: Oh it's a shape shifting. 529 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, so what I would do in order, 530 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 3: And it's unclear to me how much that's just simply 531 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: designed to confuse somebody who tries to sort it out, 532 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 3: and how much that's designed to, for example, game the 533 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: search engine technology that might allow you to track the 534 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: changes because to the extent that the name has shifted, 535 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 3: so smart. I call it the World Health Organization Pandemic 536 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: Preparedness Plan, right, And what is under discussion are some 537 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 3: modifications to the global public health regulations and modifications to 538 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: an existing treaty. But all of this makes it sound 539 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: minor and procedural. What has been proposed are Again, the 540 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 3: number of things included here is incredible. It's hard even 541 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: for those of us who have been focused on this 542 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 3: to track all of the important things under discussion and 543 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 3: to deduce the meaning some of the more subtle provisions. 544 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 3: But they the World Health Organization and its signatory nations 545 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: will be allowed to define a public health emergency on 546 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 3: any basis that, having declared one, they will be entitled 547 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 3: to mandate remedies. The remedies that are named include vaccines, 548 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 3: gene therapy. Technology is literally named. 549 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 4: In the set of things that the World Health Organization 550 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 4: is going to reserve the right to mandate, that it 551 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 4: will be in a position to require these things of citizens, 552 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 4: that it will be in a position to dictate. 553 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 3: Our ability to travel. In other words, passports that would 554 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 3: be predicated on one having accepted these technologies are clearly 555 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 3: being described. It would have the ability to forbid the 556 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: use of other medications. So this looks like they're preparing 557 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: for a rerun where they can just simply take iromactin 558 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 3: hydroxychloroquine off the table. They also have reserved the ability 559 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 3: to dictate how these measures are discussed. That censorship is 560 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 3: described here as well, the right to dictate that, of course, 561 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 3: misinformation is how they're going to describe it. 562 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: Well. 563 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 1: In fact, I when I ask you pause and play 564 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: a sound bite from tedros in which he alludes to this, 565 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: and I want to get your assessment of the heuriors. 566 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 5: We continue to see misinformation on social media and in 567 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 5: mainstream media about the Pandemic Accorde that countries are now negotiating. 568 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 5: The claim that the Accorde will seed power to who 569 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 5: is quite simply false. It's fake news. Countries will decide 570 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 5: what the Accorde says and countries alone, and countries will 571 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 5: implement the Accorde in line with their own national laws. 572 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 5: No country will seed any sovereignity to who. If any politician, 573 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 5: business person, or anyone at all is confused about what 574 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 5: the Pandemic Accord is and isn't, we would be more 575 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 5: than happy to discuss it and explain it. 576 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: So he's going to be more than happy to discuss 577 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: and explain the misinformation that you're. 578 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is outspreading. 579 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 3: That is comforting. Well, on the one hand, I must 580 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 3: I had not seen that, and it is tremendously good news. Actually, 581 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 3: what it means is that once again we have managed 582 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 3: to raise awareness of something in time that there is 583 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 3: conceivably a better outcome still available to us. So we're bother. 584 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 3: There's you couldn't have said it more accurately. Yes, those 585 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 3: were clearly lies. And of course his saying that into 586 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 3: a camera is supposed to convince you, you know, nobody 587 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 3: could possibly lie so directly, so there must be some 588 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 3: truth in what he's saying, which is of course nonsense. 589 00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 3: And anybody who goes back through ut Orfelow's compendium of 590 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 3: various things that people have set into cameras over the 591 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 3: course of COVID that they then swear they didn't say, 592 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 3: you know, months later, knows that these folks are very 593 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 3: comfortable as saying totally false things into a camera. It 594 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 3: doesn't cause them to think twice or sweat or anything. 595 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 3: But it's great that we have managed to raise enough 596 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 3: awareness that Ted Dross is actually addressing our spreading of 597 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 3: what it actually is is malinformation. You're aware of the sustension. Yeah, Oh, 598 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 3: it's a beautiful. 599 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: So I was I'm so old that I was still 600 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: stuck in the truth or falsehood binary, Yeah, where what 601 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: mattered was whether it was true or not. 602 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 3: No, No, the malinformation is actually exactly what you need 603 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 3: to know about to see how antiquated that notion is, 604 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 3: because this is actually the Department of Homeland Security actually 605 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 3: issued a memo in which it defined three kinds of gud. 606 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 3: You're not terrorism, missdis and malinformation. Misinformation are errors. Disinformation 607 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 3: are intentional errors. Lies and malinformation are things that are 608 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 3: based in truth but cause you to distrust authority. 609 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 2: So malinformation is what you commit when you catch them lying. 610 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Yeah, it is discussing the lies of your 611 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 3: government is malinformation and therefore a kind of terrorism, which 612 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 3: I should point out. As funny as that is, and 613 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 3: as obviously orwellian as that is, it's also terrifying because 614 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 3: if you have tracked the history of the spreading tyranny 615 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 3: from the beginning of the War on Terror, you know 616 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 3: that terrorism is not a normal English word the way 617 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 3: it once was. Terrorism is now a legal designation that 618 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 3: causes all of your rights to evaporate. So at the 619 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 3: point that the Department of Homeland Security says that you 620 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,959 Speaker 3: are guilty of a kind of terrorism for saying true 621 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 3: things that cause you to distrust your government. They are 622 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 3: also telling you something about what rights they have to 623 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,479 Speaker 3: silence you. They are not normal rights. So these things 624 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 3: are all terrifying. And I do think as much as 625 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 3: my jaws open, the COVID pandemic caused us to become 626 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 3: aware of a lot of structures that had been built 627 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 3: around us, something that former NSA officer William Binnie once 628 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 3: described as the turnkey totalitarian state. The totalitarian state is 629 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 3: erected around you, but it's not activated, and then once 630 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 3: it's built, the key gets turned. And so we are 631 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 3: now seeing, I believe, something that even outstrips William Binnie's description, 632 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 3: because it's the turnkey totalitarian planet. The World Health Organization 633 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 3: is above the level of nations, and it is going 634 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 3: to be in a position if these provisions pass, to 635 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 3: dictate to nations how they are to treat their own citizens, 636 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 3: to override their constitutions, despite what Tedris just told you. 637 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 3: So that is frightening. It's not inherently about health. What 638 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 3: I think has happened is the fact of a possible 639 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 3: pandemic causes a loophole in the mind. It's not a 640 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 3: loophole in our governance documents. Our constitution doesn't describe exemptions 641 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 3: from your rights during time of a pandemic emergency. Your 642 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 3: rights simply are what they are, and they're not supposed 643 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 3: to go anywhere just because there's a disease spreading. But nonetheless, 644 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 3: people's willingness to accept the erosion of their rights because 645 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 3: of a public health emergency has allowed this tyranny to 646 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 3: use it as a trojan horse, and I think that's 647 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 3: also it's something people need to become aware of that 648 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 3: there are a number of features of our environment that 649 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 3: are basically they are blind spots that we can't see past. 650 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 3: Vaccine was one, and I know I was an enthusiast 651 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 3: about vaccines. I still believe deeply in the elegance of 652 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 3: vaccines as they should exist, but I'm now very alarmed 653 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 3: at how they are produced, and I'm even more alarmed 654 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 3: at what has been called a vaccine that doesn't meet 655 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 3: the definition right that because many of us believed that 656 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 3: vaccines were an extremely elegant, low harm, high efficacy method 657 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 3: of preventing disease. When they called this mrnach technology of vaccine, 658 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 3: many of us gave it more credibility than we should have. 659 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 3: If they had called it a gene transfection technology, we 660 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 3: would have thought, wait, what you know? That sounds highly 661 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 3: novel and it sounds dangerous, and how much do we 662 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,399 Speaker 3: know about the long term implications. But because they called 663 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 3: it a vaccine, people were much that's readily much more 664 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 3: willing to accept it. Public health functions the same way. 665 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 3: If you think about it, public health step back a second. 666 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 3: Your relationship with your doctor, your personal health ought to 667 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 3: be very important to you, But there are ways in 668 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 3: which things that happen at a population level affect your 669 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 3: personal health, and your doctor's not in a position to 670 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 3: do anything about it. So somebody dumping pollution into a 671 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 3: stream from which you're pulling fish, you know you might 672 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 3: detect the harm at the population level. You might need 673 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 3: a regulation at a population level in order to protect you. 674 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 3: Your doctor's not in a position you appill to correct it. 675 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 3: So the idea that public health is potentially a place 676 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 3: to improve all of our well being is real. But 677 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 3: once you decide that there's something above doctors relative to 678 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 3: your health, then that can be an excuse for all 679 00:43:52,920 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 3: manner of tyranny. Public health has been adopted. It's like 680 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 3: the sheep's clothing that has allowed the wolf to go 681 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 3: after our rights because in theory, it's trying to protect 682 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 3: us from harms that we would like to be. 683 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: Pretected, and it generates such fear as such a huge 684 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: scale that it weakens people's moral immune systems except things 685 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: they would never accept otherwise. 686 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And as you know and as I know, when 687 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 3: we raised questions about what was being delivered to us 688 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 3: under the guise of public health, we were demonized as 689 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 3: if we had a moral defect. It wasn't even a 690 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 3: cognitive defect where we were failing to understand the wisdom 691 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 3: of these vaccines. It was a moral effect where we 692 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,800 Speaker 3: were failing to protect others who were vulnerable by questioning 693 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 3: these things. So the idea that health is at stake 694 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 3: in some vague larger sense that requires us to override 695 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 3: the natural relationship between doctors and patients is itself a 696 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 3: who against medicine by something else, and we need to 697 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 3: become aware. 698 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,720 Speaker 1: Of that, just to check kind of like the souls 699 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: of the people who are running all of this, the 700 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: public health establishment, international public health establishment. Now that you know, 701 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 1: some researchers believe up to seventeen million people could have 702 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 1: been killed by these mRNA shots. Has any international public 703 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: health officials said well, hold on a second. 704 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 2: We need to get to the bottom of that. 705 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: Has that provoked any response and the people in charge 706 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: of our public health. 707 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to think globally whether they're good examples. 708 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 3: There's certainly some folks who have stood up in the 709 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 3: European Parliament, but. 710 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 2: I mean in World Health Organization CDC. 711 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I don't think we have 712 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 3: not seen an acknowledgment of the harm and error. 713 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 2: They don't have internet access, they don't know, like, what 714 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 2: is that? 715 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 3: Well, that's the incredible thing is I still see claims 716 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,359 Speaker 3: that just simply if they initially had believed them, then 717 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 3: they are long ago falsified. But they're still being advanced 718 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 3: for whoever hasn't noticed, you know, the idea that it's 719 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,240 Speaker 3: a good idea of acci nature kids, with mRNA shots 720 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 3: being one of them. Right to the extent that there 721 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 3: was a panic that caused us to give these shots 722 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 3: to people who couldn't possibly benefit from them, you would 723 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 3: expect us to have backed that off extremely rapidly as 724 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 3: it became impossible to defend those shots. And yet because 725 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 3: there's still presumably some market for it. We are still 726 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 3: doing it. So we are living some crazy story in 727 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 3: which things that are perfectly obvious are still somehow have 728 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 3: not lodged themselves in the official public record. And you know, 729 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 3: I think that has a lot to do with, frankly, 730 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,919 Speaker 3: the death of journalism. Yes, a lot of us are 731 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 3: doing jobs that we didn't train for. Heather and I 732 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 3: are doing some journalistic job that we certainly didn't train for. 733 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 3: We trained to think about biology, and you know, we 734 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 3: do that in front of a camera, and so that 735 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 3: functions as a kind of stand in for journalism. But 736 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 3: the handful of journalists who still exist, I think, without exception, 737 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 3: are not scientifically trained, right, you know, Matt Taibi, Glenn Greenwald, 738 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 3: you we don't have very many people doing investigative journalism, 739 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 3: and the ones who who are doing it, they don't 740 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 3: have the skill set that would make this a natural 741 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,839 Speaker 3: topic to investigate. So we have to boot up some 742 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 3: kind of new institution that will allow us to do 743 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 3: this job well. And presumably that will involve taking the 744 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 3: few investigative journalists who remember how to do that job, 745 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 3: and the few scientists and doctors who are willing to 746 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 3: still do their job, and you know, put us together right, 747 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 3: Podcasts isn't the right place to do it. If that's 748 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 3: all we got, that's all we got. But there's got 749 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 3: to be a better method. 750 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: So if this is ratified or signed onto by the 751 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,360 Speaker 1: United States in May six months from now, that sounds 752 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:13,879 Speaker 1: like that's it. 753 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 3: We don't know. I will say I have very little 754 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 3: hope that the US will derail this. I have the 755 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 3: sense that whatever has captured our government is driving this 756 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 3: as well, and so in effect, the US wants this change. 757 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 3: It will infect you know, in the same way that 758 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 3: the Five Eyes nations agree to mutually violate the rights 759 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 3: of each other's citizens, because that was not prevented in 760 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,320 Speaker 3: any of our constitutions. I think the US wants something 761 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 3: to force it to violate our constitutional protections, and the 762 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 3: World Health Organization is going to be that entity. That said, 763 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 3: I have recently been to the Czech Republic, and I've 764 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 3: been to Romania, and I've heard from other parts of 765 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 3: the former Eastern Bloc that there is resistance, that people 766 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:19,280 Speaker 3: who have faced tyranny in living memory are much less 767 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 3: ready to accept these changes, and that they are actually 768 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 3: beginning to mount a response. I worry that it will 769 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 3: be too thin and easily defeated, especially if they do 770 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,839 Speaker 3: not understand that actually the world is depending on them, 771 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 3: that the traditionally the countries we traditionally think of as 772 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 3: part of the West are compromised, and that these countries 773 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 3: which have more recently joined or rejoined the West are 774 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 3: the best hope we've got. That they are in a 775 00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,040 Speaker 3: position to derail this set of provisions, and that we 776 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 3: are depending on them to do it. 777 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 1: So I just want to end for a few moments 778 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: on your on the overview here. So you have all 779 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:13,799 Speaker 1: these remarkable things converging in a single twelve month period, war, pestilence, 780 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: political unrest, apparently unsolvable political unrest. What do you think 781 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: we're looking at in the West, Like, what is this 782 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: moment and how does it end? 783 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 3: Well? So I have long been interested in questions of 784 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 3: good governance and the West, and I'm sad to report 785 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 3: that I think the West has actually collapsed, and what 786 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 3: we are left with is now and nebulous echo. The 787 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 3: values of the West still function, but they function in 788 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 3: a vague way, and we have seen that they can 789 00:50:53,600 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 3: evaporate quickly under the right circumstances. I suspect, and I 790 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 3: really don't know. I don't think anybody knows. But I 791 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 3: suspect that some powerful set of forces has decided that 792 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 3: consent of the governed is too dangerous to tolerate, and 793 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 3: that it has begun to unhook it. And we do 794 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 3: not know how this works. We can see some of 795 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 3: the partners who are involved in this, but I don't 796 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 3: think we know ultimately who's driving it or where they're going. 797 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 3: I think many of the notions that we picked up 798 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,120 Speaker 3: about nations and who our friends are and who our 799 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 3: enemies are are, they are now more misleading than they 800 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 3: are informative. In other words, I don't think the US 801 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 3: has an enemy called China. I think there are elements 802 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 3: within the US that are partnered with with elements within 803 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 3: the Chinese Communist Party for practical reasons, and so are 804 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 3: you know the The notion that these two parties are 805 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,800 Speaker 3: competing with each other just distracts us from what's actually 806 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 3: taking place. But let's just put it this way. We 807 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:33,720 Speaker 3: have a large global population. Most people have no useful 808 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 3: role through no fault of their own. They have not 809 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 3: been given an opportunity in life to find a useful 810 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 3: way to contribute. And I wonder if the rent seeking 811 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 3: elites that have ordered so much power are not unhooking 812 00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 3: our rights because effectively they're afraid of some global French 813 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 3: revolution moment as people realize that they've been betrayed and 814 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 3: left without good options. Is that what we're seeing certainly 815 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 3: feels like we're facing an end game where important properties 816 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,520 Speaker 3: that would once have been preserved by all parties because 817 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 3: they might need them one day are now being dispensed with. 818 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 3: And we're being you know, we're watching our governmental structures 819 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 3: and every one of our institutions captured, hollowed out, turned 820 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,799 Speaker 3: into a paradoxical inversion of what it was designed to do. 821 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 3: It's not an accident whether they you know. The thing 822 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 3: that worries me most actually is that whatever is driving 823 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,279 Speaker 3: this is not composed of diabolical geniuses who at least 824 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 3: have some plan for the future. But it's being driven 825 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 3: by people who actually do not know what kind of 826 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 3: hell they are inviting. Yes, they are going to create 827 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 3: a kind of chaos from which humanity may well not emerge. 828 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 3: And I get the sense that unless they have some 829 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 3: remarkable plan that is not obvious, that they are just 830 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 3: simply drunk with power and putting everyone, including themselves, in 831 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 3: tremendous jeopardy by taking apart the structures on which we depend. 832 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 2: How do you see my last question? 833 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 1: How do you see your I mean, you're you're speaking 834 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: in grand terms that three years ago I might have 835 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,719 Speaker 1: laughed at I'm not laughing at all, And I think 836 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:41,799 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. But you're also choosing, as you know, 837 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 1: a fifty ish man, your old man, to say the 838 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: stuff out loud and to pursue the truth as you 839 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: find it, and then to talk about it like, so, 840 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: why did you decide to do that? 841 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 2: And how do you think that ends? 842 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,840 Speaker 3: Well? You know, we are all the products of whatever 843 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:03,720 Speaker 3: developmental environment produce us. And as I've said on multiple topics, 844 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:09,759 Speaker 3: where my family has found itself in very uncomfortable and 845 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 3: sometimes dangerous circumstances because we speak out. I don't think 846 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:21,799 Speaker 3: I had a choice. I just I literally cannot understand 847 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 3: how I would sleep at night, how I would look 848 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 3: at myself in the mirror if I didn't say what 849 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 3: needed to be said. And you know, I heard a 850 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 3: very good speech by Bobby Kennedy Junior. Though neither of 851 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,719 Speaker 3: us are libertarians, he was at the Liberty Conference in Memphis, 852 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,080 Speaker 3: and the last thing he said in that speech struck 853 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 3: me to my core something I've thought often and said 854 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 3: almost never. But there are fates far worse than death, 855 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 3: And I think for my part, I have lived an 856 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,920 Speaker 3: incredible life. There's plenty I still want to do, and 857 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,120 Speaker 3: I am not eager to leave this planet any earlier 858 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,319 Speaker 3: than I have to. I have a marvelous family, i 859 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,759 Speaker 3: live in a wonderful place, and I've got lots of 860 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 3: things bucket list. But I got lots of things on 861 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:34,400 Speaker 3: my bucket list. However, humanity is depending on everybody who 862 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,400 Speaker 3: has a position from which to see what is taking place, 863 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,560 Speaker 3: to grapple with what it might mean, to describe it 864 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,319 Speaker 3: so that the public understands where their interests are. It 865 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,919 Speaker 3: is depending on us to do what needs to be done. 866 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:53,600 Speaker 3: If we're to have a chance of delivering a planet 867 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,799 Speaker 3: to our children and our grandchildren that is worthy of them, 868 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 3: if we're going to deliver a sism that allows them 869 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,960 Speaker 3: to live meaningful, healthy lives, we have to speak up. 870 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 3: And I don't know. I don't know how to get 871 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,080 Speaker 3: people to do that. I'm very hesitant to urge others 872 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 3: to put themselves or their families in danger. And I 873 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 3: know that everybody's circumstances are different. Some people are struggling 874 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 3: just simply to feed a family and keep a roof 875 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,000 Speaker 3: over their heads. Those people obviously have a great deal 876 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 3: less liberty with respect to standing up and saying what 877 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,320 Speaker 3: needs to be said. But this is really it's what 878 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 3: we call in game theory, a collective action problem. If 879 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 3: everybody responds to their personal well being, if everybody says 880 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 3: it's too dangerous to stand up. You know, I'm not suicidal, 881 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 3: I can't do it, then not enough people stand up 882 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,600 Speaker 3: to change the course of history. Whereas if people somehow 883 00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 3: put aside the obvious danger sure to their ability to 884 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 3: earn and maybe to their lives, of saying what needs 885 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:11,400 Speaker 3: to be said, then we greatly outnumber those we are 886 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:16,520 Speaker 3: pitted against. They are ferociously powerful. But I would also 887 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:22,160 Speaker 3: point out this interesting error. So I call the force 888 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,720 Speaker 3: that we're up against Goliath, just so I I remember 889 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 3: what the battle is. Goliath made a terrible mistake, and 890 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,680 Speaker 3: it made it most egregiously during COVID, which is it 891 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:39,800 Speaker 3: took all of the competent people, took all of the 892 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 3: courageous people and it shoved them out of the institutions 893 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 3: where they were hanging on, and it created in so doing, 894 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 3: the Dream Team created every player you could possibly want 895 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,800 Speaker 3: on your team to fight some historic battle against a 896 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 3: terrible evil. All of those people are now at least 897 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,480 Speaker 3: somewhat awake. They've now been picked on by the same enemy. 898 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 3: And yeah, all right, we're outgunned. It has a tremendous 899 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,120 Speaker 3: amount of power, but we've got all of the people 900 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,800 Speaker 3: who know how to think. So I hate to say it, 901 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 3: or maybe I like to say it, but I don't 902 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,440 Speaker 3: think it's a slam dunk. But I like our adds. 903 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 2: I've never met a more fluent biologist. What's that? Amazing conversation? 904 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 2: Bless you, Thank you for that. 905 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:31,520 Speaker 4: Thank you. 906 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 2: I appreciate it.