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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: and Ori with you. Gary Allen attended the Metaphysical Academy

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Speaker 1: in Tampa, Florida, during the mid nineteen nineties, which later

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Speaker 1: inspired his series of short stories Seven Lessons. The collection

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Speaker 1: chronicles Gare's other worldly experiences with reincarnation, astral projection, channeling, divination.

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Speaker 1: Back in nineteen ninety nine, he purchased a home that

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Speaker 1: he soon found to be haunted by its former occupant

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Speaker 1: as well. And tonight we're going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: ghost crimes too, the Paranormal Enemy that he wrote last year, Gare,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, my friend. How are you? Good morning, George,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm doing well. How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm looking forward to this. How many books

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Speaker 1: do you have about now? So I have published fifteen

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Speaker 1: books so far. Good for you, Good for you. You.

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Speaker 1: Ghost crimes too. Law enforcement they seem to hold back sometimes,

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Speaker 1: don't they. They certainly do. And you know, I've throughout

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Speaker 1: the years when I've come into contact with first responders

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Speaker 1: and you know, asked if they had any experiences I

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Speaker 1: can see that they sort of look at me for

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Speaker 1: a moment and because they have a story, and then

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Speaker 1: they almost catch themselves and like forget that. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's really not something that they are comfortable sharing or

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Speaker 1: want to share. And you know, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: back in the day, you know, nobody wanted to be

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Speaker 1: that spooky molder you know, like X files and you know,

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Speaker 1: be ridiculed for, you know, saying that, hey, you know

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Speaker 1: that a ghost did it. You know, a ghost is

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Speaker 1: to blame, and you know, and certainly you don't want um,

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Speaker 1: you know, to respond to a situation where you know,

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Speaker 1: someone gets away with a crime because they blamed it

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Speaker 1: on an unseen force and that's not something that happens.

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Speaker 1: But these days, you know, we're definitely more open to

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Speaker 1: those things, and people are more receptive to considering, you know,

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Speaker 1: something outside of our understanding. As as Blaine, Oh. Law

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Speaker 1: enforcement definitely has to feel comfortable with you before they

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Speaker 1: start talking with you about these experiences. I did, well,

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Speaker 1: I had one who was very comfortable and but to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, a lot of my stories came

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Speaker 1: from anonymous responses to you know, posts and requests on

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Speaker 1: my website to share stories and many are requested, you know, please,

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Speaker 1: don't you know, share any information about me, And of

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Speaker 1: course many of them did not give me their name,

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Speaker 1: but I think it seems therapeutic for them to kind

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Speaker 1: of share the story to someone who wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: ridicule them or may even be able to offer some insight.

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Speaker 1: In some cases, I did offer, you know, what I

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Speaker 1: and in many cases, you know, once I got one story,

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Speaker 1: then it was like, oh and this happened too, and

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Speaker 1: then the floodgates kind of opened and again kind of

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Speaker 1: sharing you know, haven't been able to talk about this

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Speaker 1: stuff or was something they just buried um and truly

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Speaker 1: didn't think it was paranormal until in Heightsight, kind of saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, I still don't have an explanation for this.

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Speaker 1: You know, I still never reconciled this, and now we

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Speaker 1: have that we have that avenue out there. But you

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Speaker 1: know the other part of that is, you know, these

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Speaker 1: first responders are incredible and visuals and incredible people who

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Speaker 1: you know, they they are strong and they're brave, and

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Speaker 1: they're amazing and protective to us, and you know they

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Speaker 1: appreciate and respect that. What was your very first paranormal

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Speaker 1: literally levitated and lifted off the floor. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety nine, you bought a home that was haunted.

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Speaker 1: To tell us about that. Yes, so here in Florida,

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Speaker 1: not you do not have to disclose that, and I said, well,

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Speaker 1: And not only that, but he had been practicing what

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