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Speaker 1: I'm Buzz Night, the host of the Taking a Walk

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Speaker 1: podcast music History on Foot, and we take a look

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Speaker 1: now at the week in music from May twelfth, and

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Speaker 1: we go over to the music history desk. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to call him right now, since I often call him

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Speaker 1: different names, now he's going to be called the Maestro

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Speaker 1: of all things music, Harry Jacobs.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that? Harry? I like that.

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Speaker 3: But when I heard you say I'm going to call

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Speaker 3: him a name, I always call him names. I started

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Speaker 3: to get nervous about, you know, your propensity to bully

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Speaker 3: me periodically with some of these names, you know, comparing

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Speaker 3: me to well hot dog vendor with my music facts

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Speaker 3: and things like things.

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Speaker 2: Such as these.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I will take that, and I will accept that,

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Speaker 3: and I will just say, you may want to rework

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Speaker 3: the setup on that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't call him names. I give him

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Speaker 2: different titles. These titles. I bestow different titles on him.

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Speaker 3: A much kinder way say that. And I'm sensitive. I

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Speaker 3: need a safe space.

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Speaker 4: I thought, there's this says a safe space exactly.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: Let's start at May twelfth. This is the week of

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Speaker 3: May twelfth through the eighteenth. May twelfth, Bob Dylan walked

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Speaker 3: off the Ed Sullivan Show after CBS censors refused to

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Speaker 3: let him perform the song talking John Birch Paranoid Blues.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about John Birch, and I didn't

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Speaker 3: know about this. This highlighted his defiance on the tension

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Speaker 3: over free expression and Birch.

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Speaker 2: I did some research this morning. John. Do you know,

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Speaker 2: by the way, anything about John Birch at all.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say and

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Speaker 1: see what I can offer to counter it or acknowledge it.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say this. He was a Republican.

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Speaker 3: He was an intelligence military This was I think PRECIA,

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Speaker 3: so he was a military intelligence officer and was anti

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Speaker 3: the counterculture.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: He was a white shirt, red tie wearing conservative that

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Speaker 1: And I remember my older brothers talking about quote unquote

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Speaker 1: the Butchers, but I did not know that moment on

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Speaker 1: the Ed Sullivan Show with Bob happened.

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Speaker 2: So that is a new one.

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Speaker 1: I know he always liked to, you know, poke in

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Speaker 1: the face of what was going on, and that was

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Speaker 1: part of him building his incredible legacy.

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Speaker 2: But didn't know that story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and this is interesting because the you know,

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Speaker 3: the Ed Sullivan show, they made the Stones, you know, censor,

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Speaker 3: you know, let's spend the night together. It was let's

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Speaker 3: spend some time together. And I'm looking for the for

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Speaker 3: the date on that, but that, you know, that was

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Speaker 3: around the same time. That was, you know, sixty three

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Speaker 3: it it happened for the Stones. So CBS cnsers definitely

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Speaker 1: Ed Sullivan being a little cranky pants himself too. The

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Speaker 3: May twelfth, in nineteen forty eight, Steve Winwood was born.

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Speaker 3: And Steve Winwood, you know, had an amazing career as

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Speaker 3: when Spencer Davis recorded give Me Some Loving, he was

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Speaker 3: like sixteen years old at that point. So he's had

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Speaker 3: an amazing career. Traffic and Spencer Davis and the solo

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Speaker 3: with It, you know what a great song that was.

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Speaker 2: So I'm I'm a Steve Winwood fan.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and from that other era there, the you know,

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Speaker 1: the solo career back in the High Life again was

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Speaker 2: Boy, you want to go down.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of nice rabbit holes with a playlist, you

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Speaker 1: And John Barleycorn Must Die.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, And I saw It's funny.

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Speaker 3: I saw not long ago a video of him sitting

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he's what he's really up to

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Speaker 3: He is playing this summer, some dates this summers. Matter

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Speaker 3: of fact, he's going to in the fall. He's going

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Speaker 3: Beverly No early mass Yeah. So he's got July thirteenth

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Speaker 3: to be in Wilkesbary, Pennsylvania, Morristown, New Jersey, Atlantic City, Verona,

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Speaker 3: you are Beverly is an interesting spot. But he's going

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Speaker 2: Oh be magical to talk to you. What an icon.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen thirty two, the body of Charles Lindbergh Junior was found.

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Speaker 3: He was the son of the famous aviator and he

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Speaker 2: Course that's the beat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think about the true crime stories that

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Speaker 2: For sure. I hadn't thought about it when we were

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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven, Radio London debuted Sergeant Pepper's in its entirety.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a thing that you did.

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Speaker 1: Then when a major release came out, you would, you know,

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Speaker 4: Isn't that funny thinking about that now?

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Speaker 2: It really isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's when you think about it, you know, you were

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Speaker 2: I was on AF when I was a kid.

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Speaker 3: I was fourteen years old, and one of the things

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Speaker 3: what AAF did on Saturday nights was they did something

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Speaker 1: Right, So you did contribute then to the taken away

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Speaker 2: So you've just brought some truth to it.

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Speaker 3: they did end up getting some albums. And I now

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Speaker 4: I think, yeah, everything's even now.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I worked for you, we would do

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Speaker 3: Of our recent episodes about the Kent State shooting and

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Speaker 3: at Kent State. This is the day May fourteenth that Crosby,

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Speaker 3: May fourth, nineteen seventy is the date of the shooting.

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Speaker 3: And here we are talking about this on May fourteenth.

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Speaker 4: It is cool how the things you know cycle through.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And in this day and age, think about that

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Speaker 3: Two days later on this date in nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 3: the Seinfeld finale aired on NBC drew seventy six million viewers.

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Speaker 2: This was as as they say, I show about nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a terrible finale, but you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, we're run across once in a while. Someone

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Speaker 4: It, but it was a part of do you get it?

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Speaker 1: But when I worked in Connecticut and did mornings there,

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Speaker 1: came up as well. And I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was one of these things.

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Speaker 1: Legacy was weird that there were many people who would say, oh,

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Speaker 1: when Jerry comes on the radio, he's they thought he

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Speaker 1: was terrible, But I completely disagree with that. Very business like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't really a chit chatty relationship. When

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Speaker 1: at the outset of COVID, I found some of those

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Speaker 1: air check tapes and actually digitized the Seinfeld interviews.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it be great to it'd be great to hear those.

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Speaker 3: When I started watching the last season of Larry David

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Speaker 3: watching it with my buddy, I said, this is how

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Speaker 1: Harry Jacobs, thank you so much for this week in

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