Speaker 1: All right, man, Blueleg Cat Podcast, we got a special
Speaker 1: guest in here, A legend, immortal technique is here. Thank you, sir,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me on the show. Of course, Man,
Speaker 1: I first discovered your music, I want to say I
Speaker 1: was probably like fourteen or fifteen. It might have been
Speaker 1: the first revolutionary but I remember then I got to
Speaker 1: see you live in Phoenix. It might have been a
Speaker 1: revolutionary Volume two tour. Who'd you have on tour with
Speaker 1: you around that time? Probably a poisoned pen maybe Chino
Speaker 1: Excel mm hmmm, a few other cats. Yes, I got
Speaker 1: to see you live, and I saw I've seen I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen you live a bunch of times over the years.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, you're an independent I would say, like
Speaker 1: a goat in the independent hip hop space. Man, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of people who could be like Yeah,
Speaker 1: Headline Festivals is an independent rapper, and I remember seeing
Speaker 1: you Headline Rock the Bells Rock the Bells Pay Due
Speaker 1: is one of those. I mean, I hold the record
Speaker 1: for some festivals for Uta from our old agency at
Speaker 1: United Talent, we did four festivals, sorry, three festivals in
Speaker 1: three different European countries which were nowhere near each other
Speaker 1: within a twenty four hour period. What I used to
Speaker 1: do probably about two hundred, two hundred and fifty shows
Speaker 1: a year. Now, obviously it's a lot less because I
Speaker 1: have other responsibilities. But unlike other artists who you know,
Speaker 1: no disrespect to the DJs, course focused a lot on mixtapes, right,
Speaker 1: I focused a lot on touring rather than mixtapes. So
Speaker 1: I may only have like one or two free mixtapes,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I have like seventeen world
Speaker 1: tours under my belt. Right countries that people are like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, You've been to Australia, Tasmania, New Zealand,
Speaker 1: all these places, Romania, right you, Czech Republic, South America,
Speaker 1: all over the place, Morocco, Africa. Yeah, now you're worldwide, dude.
Speaker 1: I mean your music. I feel like your music was
Speaker 1: very like you know, I feel like I learned so
Speaker 1: much from your music as a kid because it was
Speaker 1: before I really had like readily like internet access, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So like some of the shit like
Speaker 1: about like our government or just the world, like I
Speaker 1: have first heard like you rapping about it. Do you
Speaker 1: hear that a lot? I mean, I think it was
Speaker 1: during a time in which people were living in a
Speaker 1: post nine to eleven world that was really fresh, and
Speaker 1: a lot of individuals were scared. They were looking for
Speaker 1: easy answers, looking for ways to blame people. And when
Speaker 1: I brought up things like, for example, that I made
Speaker 1: a post today because it's the twenty year anniversary of
Speaker 1: Senator Wellstone's death and a mysterious plane crash, and he
Speaker 1: was one of the only senators after nine to eleven
Speaker 1: that brought up the fact that bin Laden was a
Speaker 1: CIA asset. That was not something people wanted to discuss
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, right, that his code name
Speaker 1: and this is not a conspiracy, No, it's not a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: It's true. His code name was Timothy Osmond and that
Speaker 1: he carried out several acts and atrocities in the name
Speaker 1: of the United States government for their purposes, but not
Speaker 1: just that. Also, so talking to people in Afghanistan when
Speaker 1: I went there, he was responsible and took part in
Speaker 1: what they call the Hazada genocide, which is something that
Speaker 1: is going on now with the Taliban, and that's a
Speaker 1: series of Asiatic Central Asian people from Afghanistan and they
Speaker 1: were targeted for genocide. So before bin Laden ever killed
Speaker 1: any Americans. He murdered children outside of a city called
Speaker 1: Mazardah Sharif, and like, I went to Afghanistan in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine to build an orphanage in a school
Speaker 1: with the profits from an album that I had called
Speaker 1: The Third World with DJ Green Lantern. Sho shout out
Speaker 1: to my brother Green Lantern. I remember that yet and
Speaker 1: thank you for helping me with that Green Lance And
Speaker 1: he was somebody that believed in me and brought me
Speaker 1: up to the radio even when they were like, don't
Speaker 1: bring him the fuck up the Hot ninety seven. Now
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, he's a legend, but before they're like,
Speaker 1: don't bring him up here, he's crazy. I remember when
Speaker 1: you guys linked up because Green Lantern had kind of
Speaker 1: been like heavily associated with, like you know that mixtape
Speaker 1: era with Eminem and then like to you guys come together,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like dope because obviously, perception wise
Speaker 1: as a kid, you don't I didn't associate a Green
Speaker 1: Lantern and Immortal, even though it makes sense like musically
Speaker 1: and it was dope. But yeah, I think it, like
Speaker 1: like you said, like you pointed out so much stuff
Speaker 1: early because again, at that time, we didn't have access
Speaker 1: to YouTube and like jumping down a rabbit hole and
Speaker 1: it's like, wait a minute, what is he talking about? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think that you definitely, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of shedding the light to a
Speaker 1: whole generation of kids who were just hip hop heads,
Speaker 1: you definitely did open their eyes to a lot of
Speaker 1: wild shit, man, and a lot of truthful shit. Right.
Speaker 1: And also I think that even to this day, there's
Speaker 1: songs that I've written that people still ask me questions about,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna lie keV. Even twenty years later,
Speaker 1: people ask me, is Dance with the Devil a true story?
Speaker 1: And I have to look these people right in the
Speaker 1: eye and say, sir, I am not responsible for raping
Speaker 1: or killing any women. That is absolutely crazy. It is
Speaker 1: a song. However, Yeah, I can take people if they
Speaker 1: really want to, the building where this incident happened in Harlem.
Speaker 1: And the truth is that that actually did happen, and
Speaker 1: those people that were allegedly responsible for that began dying.
Speaker 1: And that's why it became such a powerful story because
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, you're telling hood tales. What if these
Speaker 1: motherfuckers come back for you? And I said, let them
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do, Like you think that the neighborhood
Speaker 1: is gonna protect them after they find out what they
Speaker 1: really did, that they raped a woman. Do you realize
Speaker 1: that in rich communities you can get away with stuff
Speaker 1: like that, Oh their little kids coming in all hours
Speaker 1: of the night. No one says anything about billionaires. But
Speaker 1: if you live in the ghetto and someone says a
Speaker 1: rumor in the hood, oh, someone's touching kids in apartments,
Speaker 1: everybody from the neighboro the fuck is going on in
Speaker 1: your homes. So that's the kind of energy it was.
Speaker 1: And these people literally started dying, and one of them.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna mention names because these people don't deserve
Speaker 1: to be remembered in a good light, but this is
Speaker 1: a sad story. They couldn't find this man keV. And
Speaker 1: what I explained to people about the street is that
Speaker 1: there's no rules, just like there's no such thing as
Speaker 1: a safe gun. You have to respect everything. I'm a
Speaker 1: big Second Amendment guy, but you have to respect the weapon.
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a safe gun. These people
Speaker 1: were out here thinking that they could get away with
Speaker 1: a crime and that they wouldn't be found, and they
Speaker 1: murdered this man's son to get him to come to
Speaker 1: the funeral so they could kill him. This is the
Speaker 1: type of shit that people were dealing with. That's one
Speaker 1: of your would you say that's your most popular song,
Speaker 1: It's like one of them, right, probably? Yeah. For people
Speaker 1: who have because there's gonna be people watching this YouTube
Speaker 1: video who subscribe, who maybe are not hip to your catalog,
Speaker 1: give us a break, Like for people who haven't heard
Speaker 1: Dance with the Devil. What is the premise of the record? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, without giving the entire thing away, I would
Speaker 1: say that it's definitely a very realistic tale of what
Speaker 1: happens when people feel peer pressured to commit violent to
Speaker 1: join a gang, or when they feel like they have
Speaker 1: to overcompensate for not being as tough as everybody thinks
Speaker 1: they is, and they commit violence and do horrible things
Speaker 1: to people to try to prove something to somebody. I
Speaker 1: remind individuals that are really living in the street, we
Speaker 1: don't deal with gratuitous violence. We deal with people that
Speaker 1: have offended or hurt us, who have come into our
Speaker 1: neighborhood and caused problems. The premise of going into another
Speaker 1: neighborhood and just trying to hurt people doesn't make sense now.
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you ask the essays that run
Speaker 1: each block, they'll be like, why would I start a
Speaker 1: war for no reason? But in New York City it
Speaker 1: was structured differently. It wasn't so much gangs, it was
Speaker 1: cruise back in New York. So if you heard about
Speaker 1: a story like this, it became an urban legend immediately.
Speaker 1: And not just that keV. It was that the story
Speaker 1: was always a little bit different. Instead of it being
Speaker 1: the guy's mom, it would be the person's stepsister, it
Speaker 1: would be the aunt, it would be someone related. When
Speaker 1: you have tales about, you know, murder or killing people,
Speaker 1: it's a grandized some sometimes in hip hop, to the
Speaker 1: point that you never really see the impact of what
Speaker 1: that is. Like. Even if y'all kill someone that's not
Speaker 1: a kid, if y'all kill someone that's thirty years old,
Speaker 1: you think that's not somebody's son. Of course, you don't
Speaker 1: think you have a target on the back, but you
Speaker 1: don't think that somebody's coming back for you. That's the reality.
Speaker 1: And more often than not, when people come up to
Speaker 1: me and they say, oh, do you think the guys
Speaker 1: from Dance with the devil, were really cursed by the devil,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, they lived a horrible lifestyle where
Speaker 1: they thought they could get away with hurting people at random,
Speaker 1: and eventually it catches it not just to them, but
Speaker 1: to their children as well. M D. That's some real shit.
Speaker 1: You had so many records that were controversial. Did you
Speaker 1: ever like feel any pressure from like outside entities when
Speaker 1: you were tor in, because obviously you were. You were
Speaker 1: kind of like one of the few people I would
Speaker 1: say pre you cause I kind of attribute like YouTube
Speaker 1: to helping with a lot of people's education on certain
Speaker 1: situations because it's free and it's readily available, right, And
Speaker 1: I feel like when you first kind of came on
Speaker 1: the scene that wasn't necessarily the case. Did you get
Speaker 1: any blowback from like the government or did you ever
Speaker 1: have like a target on your back in terms of
Speaker 1: like just some of the things you were talking about,
Speaker 1: especially to the youth post nine to eleven, You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I've had several instants where police have
Speaker 1: come to my house homeland security. I didn't become a
Speaker 1: citizen until I was seventeen, so they brought an ice
Speaker 1: officer with them, as if that was supposed to intimidate me.
Speaker 1: But an individual such as myself is lawyered up the wazoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah ago, Like listen, I can't fight the system by
Speaker 1: shooting back at them. That's what they want. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: unless I'm ready to go full Chris Dorner rest in peace.
Speaker 1: But if I am sitting there trying to get my
Speaker 1: point across and I don't want to be censored or
Speaker 1: I don't want people to control that aspect of the music,
Speaker 1: then sure I have to take those precautionary measures ahead
Speaker 1: of time of whatever I do. I think being mature
Speaker 1: enough to look back as a kid and know, hey man,
Speaker 1: these are some of the mistakes I made. These are
Speaker 1: things I could have done better. There are things I
Speaker 1: would have done differently now, Like honestly, I'm doing it
Speaker 1: one hundred percent alone. Now I'm even more independent than
Speaker 1: I was before. Everything is now Rebel Army Records and
Speaker 1: just straight immortal technique. And then I built five oh
Speaker 1: one C three that we modeled after the Black Panther
Speaker 1: Breakfast Party program to be part and linked to that label.
Speaker 1: It's called Rebel Army Runs and you can find us.
Speaker 1: It's a charity, right, Yeah, five one just for people
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, it's a charity. You can find us
Speaker 1: on the internet at Rebel Army Runs and basically remember
Speaker 1: the projects you were talking about. We've been to just
Speaker 1: about every project in Manhattan and now we're expanding to
Speaker 1: Brooklyn where we give away a two week food pack
Speaker 1: to the seniors. Through that through their community centers and
Speaker 1: through that Nischa Housing programs directly. And I just want
Speaker 1: to point out to people that didn't know that in
Speaker 1: New York City right during the pandemic, they canceled fourteen
Speaker 1: food programs for people they couldn't afford to feed those people,
Speaker 1: and we actually became the functional food program for the
Speaker 1: Dykeman Houses, for the Grand Houses, which were serviced this
Speaker 1: morning by my team when I wasn't there. You can
Speaker 1: see the posts right now. Big shout out to my
Speaker 1: brother Thanos and the little short, little Dominican and shorty
Speaker 1: Gene that came and took my place, because I do
Speaker 1: it myself when I'm not doing a series of other things.
Speaker 1: So it's been a joy to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: And we've were proud to say that all donations are
Speaker 1: now tax deductible because of our five oh one C
Speaker 1: three status and we've passed the mark where we fed
Speaker 1: over ten thousand families. And when I say a two
Speaker 1: week food pack, I mean we give them like four
Speaker 1: two the three four cases of tuna. Then we have
Speaker 1: a two week oatmeal pack. We have canned milk, We
Speaker 1: have ravioli's, we give them like tomato paste, we give
Speaker 1: them pasta, and then we like to have soups in there,
Speaker 1: and then we give away inshore for the elders. And
Speaker 1: we have also pedialyte and pampers wow, and they have
Speaker 1: feminine products as well. So I always tell people revolution
Speaker 1: isn't sexy, you know what I mean. It's not just
Speaker 1: having a beret and running around the jungle with a gun.
Speaker 1: You gotta get your hands dirty and help people, and
Speaker 1: it's not always easy, you know. Well, I think too,
Speaker 1: Like that's I think that's important to point out because
Speaker 1: so many artists that I grew up listening to around
Speaker 1: that same era, who I guess will probably perceived as
Speaker 1: conscious rappers. And I don't know if I consider you
Speaker 1: a conscious rapper as much as like a reality art
Speaker 1: But you know, back in that day, there was like
Speaker 1: the conscious wrap thing, and a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: did and put their money where their mouth was. I
Speaker 1: guess you know what I mean in terms of, like
Speaker 1: he it's dope to see twenty years later, you're just
Speaker 1: fighting the good fight, man, fighting the fight for your people.
Speaker 1: I can't speak to other people, but what I can
Speaker 1: say is this. I could say that because my life
Speaker 1: was personally affected by these things, I wanted to contribute back, like,
Speaker 1: for example, for the people that don't know I went
Speaker 1: to I got locked up when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I spent my twenty first birthday being incarcerated in the whole,
Speaker 1: and when I got out, I thought one of the
Speaker 1: things that I could do is teach at a school.
Speaker 1: And what we did is myself and a young lady
Speaker 1: named Carmen Perez. I met the great Harry Belafonte. Shout
Speaker 1: out Harry Belafonte, and he said, you know, you have
Speaker 1: such a way with words, would you consider being a
Speaker 1: teacher in one of these school programs? So Harry Belafonte
Speaker 1: gave me my first teaching job, and I taught at
Speaker 1: a school called Horizons. So it was interesting time. I
Speaker 1: was still kind of touring this album called The Martyr,
Speaker 1: which did great, like four million downloads. Everything wonderful we
Speaker 1: told the world. But after the tours were over, I
Speaker 1: had the the really kind of painful but joyful reality
Speaker 1: of bringing this workshop, which was called Confronting Trauma through
Speaker 1: Writing to the kids. And the stories that they wrote
Speaker 1: were not just uplifting, but they were also heartbreaking. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you feel like you need a shower afterwards because you
Speaker 1: realize how much suffering these kids have been through. And
Speaker 1: then again, to bring it back to your other point,
Speaker 1: those kids, those hood kids, they're the real underground, right
Speaker 1: Like you talk about the backpackers. Yeah, they had guns
Speaker 1: and knives in that backpack, and they had ship that
Speaker 1: they stole from the polo store. The underground, the underground
Speaker 1: kids are the people that make up the cruise of
Speaker 1: all of the major label rappers. So while y'all are
Speaker 1: praising them and acting like they're the hardest people in
Speaker 1: the world, the reason that they're in the position that
Speaker 1: they are is because they're backed by underground, independent people
Speaker 1: that are in these neighborhoods. Right now, you would think
Speaker 1: that applies to just one of them, No, it applies
Speaker 1: to all of them. And I feel like in my
Speaker 1: particular situation, any neighborhood or any city that I've come in,
Speaker 1: I've always approached them with such love and respect that
Speaker 1: I've gotten nothing but that in return. So whether I'm
Speaker 1: in Detroit, I got fam out there. Whether I'm in
Speaker 1: Miami and in la I'm home. Half my family moved
Speaker 1: out here when we came from South America in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty four, and you know, they married into Mexican families
Speaker 1: from Oxnard and also from Inglewood. So we've had our
Speaker 1: family be here for years and now we get together.
Speaker 1: We have arguments about whose food is better, Peruvians or Mexicans,
Speaker 1: whose pyramids are nicer ours, But I think that it's
Speaker 1: nice to have that kind of camaraderie. And I will
Speaker 1: say this, keV, It's sad for me to see artists
Speaker 1: come out here and die or get hurt and rob
Speaker 1: because I've never felt unwelcome here. Brother, I've never felt that,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's just because of the way I move.
Speaker 1: And I don't call it checking in because I'm not
Speaker 1: paying people for protection. But I'll come and if some
Speaker 1: of the brothers or the essays ask me, hey man,
Speaker 1: we're doing a kids program, like, for example, sick Jacking
Speaker 1: and hood Santa and then my homie Sleeps. The artists incredible, dude.
Speaker 1: They they did this workshop for kids where they brought
Speaker 1: a bunch of different neighborhoods together from East Low, from
Speaker 1: other places to do art workshops. I was a pleasure
Speaker 1: to join that. And I don't charge people for parents,
Speaker 1: as I'm like, yo, man, let me just come there.
Speaker 1: Whatever I can do to offer and lend my voice
Speaker 1: to this is something that we need. You know, at
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Speaker 1: think too, man, la Is it's a unique place because
Speaker 1: of how the unemployment stimulated people's pockets during COVID, probably
Speaker 1: more than anywhere else. And once that went away, I
Speaker 1: think people a lot of people who weren't used to
Speaker 1: living a certain lifestyle, right they got a taste of
Speaker 1: that lifestyle and and you know they're trying to keep that.
Speaker 1: I mean, once you get a taste of having that
Speaker 1: real money because there was people eating off PvP and
Speaker 1: the and the edd out here. So I also too, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of the obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: there's people who are just wrong place, wrong time. I
Speaker 1: think another thing is is like kind of being your
Speaker 1: self aware of where you're at. Are you gonna walk
Speaker 1: around with one hundred thousand dollars around your neck when
Speaker 1: somebody's starving. I mean you got to kind of like understand,
Speaker 1: like the climate that's going on in LA right now.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because I used to feel like when i'd
Speaker 1: go to New York, I'd be like, you know, New
Speaker 1: York is the place where you get jacked. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it still isn't, of course it is, but
Speaker 1: I feel like LA feels like just a much more
Speaker 1: dangerous place now. Even just going to New York, we
Speaker 1: were just like, man, it's so nice. There's not that
Speaker 1: many homeless people. Like there's homeless people, obviously, we saw
Speaker 1: a bunch, but like certain areas of LA it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's like skid row all over them. There are
Speaker 1: skid row places in New York. I'm sure there are.
Speaker 1: I'll take you that next. Yeah, I'm sure. No, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: and and every city has that, right, But I was
Speaker 1: we were all over the city, like if you just
Speaker 1: drive around la which I'm sure you've seen, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: If you're in skid row, there's just thirty tenths on
Speaker 1: the side of the road. There's like, I mean, but
Speaker 1: you guys don't have a subway system that people live in.
Speaker 1: This is true, that's what we have to now, that's true.
Speaker 1: The subway system is a whole nother area. We have
Speaker 1: people that live underground. As a matter of fact, years ago,
Speaker 1: there was a movie made called The mole Men, and
Speaker 1: it was a documentary about people. And I would tell
Speaker 1: you myself one of the craziest experiences I've ever had
Speaker 1: is I was seventeen and I used to run with
Speaker 1: a bunch of wild Dominican motherfuckers me and talk about
Speaker 1: cutting slice and get the fuck out of the way
Speaker 1: when you're seeing all thirty of us. And one day
Speaker 1: we were writing graffiti at a place called the Freedom Tunnels,
Speaker 1: which is on seventy second Street. It's all gentrified now,
Speaker 1: but I walked down the Freedom Tunnel right and when
Speaker 1: we were leaving, we saw a dude just coming out
Speaker 1: looking like shit, like a regular homeless dude. Yea, all
Speaker 1: fucked up, yo. And he had a plastic bag with him,
Speaker 1: right keV. He goes to one of the the little fountains.
Speaker 1: He washes himself off. keV. He takes out a hand
Speaker 1: towel and uses it like a regular towel. He puts
Speaker 1: on a button up shirt, smacks on a name tag,
Speaker 1: puts a hat, and gets ready to go to work.
Speaker 1: And we approached him because I was like, ya, I
Speaker 1: want to ask this motherfucker something. So we approached him
Speaker 1: and he at first was like, all right, you're seeing
Speaker 1: twenty thirty Dominican. He thought wen we were gonna gi
Speaker 1: vic him and I said, yo, yo, we don't want
Speaker 1: to do nothing to you, bro, I said, I just
Speaker 1: want to ask you something. And he was like, what's up?
Speaker 1: And I said, you really live in the train tunnels?
Speaker 1: He said yeah, there's one hundred and fifty people down there.
Speaker 1: Now He's like, I'm one of the people that lives
Speaker 1: there with my wife. Oh wow. And I said they
Speaker 1: got that in Vegas too. So there's like a whole
Speaker 1: city of people underneath Las Vegas. Right. So when I
Speaker 1: asked him this. I said, wait a minute. You live
Speaker 1: with your wife down there and then you guys, And
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, she has a job as a waitress
Speaker 1: and I have a job working at this spot where
Speaker 1: I like, you know, I'm like a floor helper or whatever.
Speaker 1: And you know what, that day, I'm sitting in the
Speaker 1: park with all our people's a small wild and now
Speaker 1: I'm just smoking to el thinking and I'm like and
Speaker 1: they're like, what's wrong, And I'm like, you know that
Speaker 1: dude we ran into and they were like, yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: he's doing better than me. And they were like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about. He's homeless. I said, no, no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I asked the guy before we left. I said, what
Speaker 1: what's the goal? He said, you know, we can save
Speaker 1: up some money and then me and my wife, in
Speaker 1: like a few years, we can move out of there
Speaker 1: and we can try and get our own place again,
Speaker 1: get back on our feet. And I looked at the
Speaker 1: guys and I said, don't you understand, bro y'all motherfucker's
Speaker 1: out here looking for random broads. This motherfucker not only
Speaker 1: found the love of his life, but he found a
Speaker 1: woman that really holds that standard. For better or for worse.
Speaker 1: And not only that, but y'all motherfuckers don't got a
Speaker 1: plan this ding I got a plan. And I sat
Speaker 1: there and I was like, I don't got a plan
Speaker 1: and I don't got a ride or die? What the
Speaker 1: fuck am I doing? I still live with my mom
Speaker 1: and dad. I'm still, I'm still. I'm still with a
Speaker 1: life preserver on this dude's swimming in the ocean with
Speaker 1: wifey trying to make it. And it humbled me so
Speaker 1: much that I swear I have such a different attitude
Speaker 1: dealing with people. I talk to a janitor the way
Speaker 1: I would talk. I think everybody should do that, man,
Speaker 1: because you never know. Like I always tell that to people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you never know who you could, especially
Speaker 1: you know, outside of just day to day real life.
Speaker 1: Like I talk to young artists all the time about
Speaker 1: just like treating the end you gotta treat the interns
Speaker 1: with respect, you gotta treat the engineers with respect, because
Speaker 1: you never know who's gonna end up being the president
Speaker 1: of your label one day or you know whoever. So yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's definitely the case, even like up becoming artists. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of times people shit like will shit
Speaker 1: on up and cooming artists like it's like that could
Speaker 1: be the next too. Hover the fuck and they might
Speaker 1: or they'll just go at the youth because they're like
Speaker 1: I don't like this style or something like that. So
Speaker 1: I know that being from my era, everybody when the
Speaker 1: when the skinny jeans first came out, they were ripping
Speaker 1: these kids. And I used to joke with everybody. I
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Speaker 1: they might even have a person on, but there's a
Speaker 1: gun in that person. You gotta be careful with these
Speaker 1: little kids, like you can't just smack them up like
Speaker 1: this nothing. You have to respect the fact that the
Speaker 1: youth still they want to prove themselves in something. And
Speaker 1: so you know, whether people make fun of them here
Speaker 1: like the Edgarls, that not's very farm. You don't want
Speaker 1: to get jumped by tapped into the Edgar. You don't
Speaker 1: want to get jumped with some fam Don't get jumped
Speaker 1: by fifty Edgars at Knotsbery Farm because that is not
Speaker 1: that's not something that your your reputation can recover from.
Speaker 1: All right, you getting beat up by gang members people
Speaker 1: are like all right, what what do you expect? You?
Speaker 1: But you're getting jumped by children, don't you? Do? You
Speaker 1: follow all the like food communities and like all those
Speaker 1: ig pages. Who's gone wild? Yeah, big shout out to
Speaker 1: Foodl's going wild? Yeah, it's hilarious. I think that. But
Speaker 1: they always have the edgars fighting at knots. It's always
Speaker 1: like what's going on in Notts Very Farm. They had
Speaker 1: to change the rules. Yeah, they made it so that
Speaker 1: you have to have a big homie with you, But
Speaker 1: that didn't change that much because I could just get
Speaker 1: the twenty year old homie to come right, right, So
Speaker 1: you have to be accompanied by someone over twenty one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you just got to bring the big homie? Now? Uh?
Speaker 1: What it was your because obviously, uh, I think that
Speaker 1: we just went through a pretty wild historical time with
Speaker 1: the pandemic. I think that a lot of the people
Speaker 1: who questioned the vaccine are probably like feeling a little
Speaker 1: more vindicated of recent recent memory. But from your perspective,
Speaker 1: someone who's always kind of spoken about big government and
Speaker 1: just shit, you know, what was your thought process now
Speaker 1: that we're kind of removed, I'm gonna say we're totally removed, right,
Speaker 1: But that we've kind of gotten through this pandemic. The
Speaker 1: vaccine just all that. It was kind of a weird
Speaker 1: era of life that I'm not sure we'll ever see again,
Speaker 1: and maybe we will, I don't know. Well. I mean,
Speaker 1: when they came out, I posted on Twitter that I
Speaker 1: thought the mandates were unconstitutional. I got into lots of
Speaker 1: arguments with that. I told people that they shouldn't listen
Speaker 1: to media personalities and that they should concern themselves with
Speaker 1: dealing with their doctor rather than anybody else. There are
Speaker 1: people that are immunal compromised that would have benefited from that.
Speaker 1: And then there are people, for example, that had a
Speaker 1: high heart rate, like my friend's mother when she went
Speaker 1: to go get that accident, she went to her doctor
Speaker 1: first and they said, wait a minute, ma'am, you have
Speaker 1: very high blood pressure. This is dangerous. Let's lower your
Speaker 1: blood pressure first. That's what happened. And she was an
Speaker 1: r N, so she was one of these people that
Speaker 1: had to get vaccinated or lose their job. But now
Speaker 1: this right, but now in court in New York court
Speaker 1: that they've overturned well, like I just saw that they're
Speaker 1: reinstating all Well before we say that that's not actually
Speaker 1: happening yet There's been an appeal filed by the mayor,
Speaker 1: So the mayor is going to appeal it because I
Speaker 1: saw that they were going to try to pay them
Speaker 1: some bada no, no, no. Just for the people that
Speaker 1: are watching at home, they fought the nine to eleven
Speaker 1: first responders for twenty years. You think that they're going
Speaker 1: to get their pockets tapped by their handful of people. No,
Speaker 1: the city is ruthless. Okay, these people are monsters. These
Speaker 1: are the animals. Like when I say that, my friend
Speaker 1: Aton Edwards, who was on Fox, on NBC, he was
Speaker 1: on all these companies. He's a survivor expert. And when
Speaker 1: he went down and was helping to pull people out
Speaker 1: of the rubble on nine to eleven, he was in
Speaker 1: a full hasmat suit. keV who told me he was
Speaker 1: like and he was yelling at the police officials. He's like, look, dude,
Speaker 1: why are you given these firefighters and cops, these fucking
Speaker 1: shit breathers. Why are you giving them like a fucking
Speaker 1: n nine to five That doesn't help. There's radioactive chemicals
Speaker 1: in the air, Like, there's actual nine to eleven syndrome.
Speaker 1: Now people have this corrosive chemical in their lungs because
Speaker 1: they don't actually have a conversation about what was in
Speaker 1: those floors those buildings. Yeahocracy of the politics of it,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a big John Stewart's a
Speaker 1: big proponent of trying to get help to I mean,
Speaker 1: if people maybe have seen some of the viral moments
Speaker 1: of John screaming at politicians, but yeah, it's crazy. It's
Speaker 1: crazy if like you can't take care of the people,
Speaker 1: the biggest tragedy in the history of our country, really,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, how about this. We went on
Speaker 1: a different podcast, America control O, and we brought up
Speaker 1: the fact that there are a lot of deported veterans.
Speaker 1: And I have a lot of my friends that don't
Speaker 1: have papers that say that they're a United States citizen,
Speaker 1: but they have papers that say they're a United States
Speaker 1: Marine and that they served in Iraq and Afghanistan. And
Speaker 1: these guys aren't being deported because they're murderers or rapist kep.
Speaker 1: They're being deported because they fucked up some paperwork or
Speaker 1: because they had a drug addiction. And my stance is,
Speaker 1: regardless of how you feel about immigration, how dare you
Speaker 1: tell a person who stood a post and supposedly serve
Speaker 1: this country for your freedom. Whether you believe that or not.
Speaker 1: Some people say, oh, it was all oil wars. Regardless,
Speaker 1: this man stood a post. And if you can throw
Speaker 1: him out so easily, and you can throw his benefits
Speaker 1: out right, if his missing hand doesn't mean anything, then
Speaker 1: you're missing. I don't mean nothing, Congressman. If his missing
Speaker 1: fingers and his missing jaw don't mean nothing, then your
Speaker 1: missing legs don't mean nothing. Senator, that's the truth. Whether
Speaker 1: it's Democrat or Republican, you have to pay attention to
Speaker 1: the people that have bled for this nation. Because empires
Speaker 1: don't die because they lose a war. We haven't won
Speaker 1: a war since World War Two. They die because people
Speaker 1: stop believing in them. That's real, that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: crazy to say out loud. We have not won I mean,
Speaker 1: we did not win the Afghanistan War. We did not
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Speaker 1: That is wild to think, man like, for you, do
Speaker 1: you feel like your messaging your music like? Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you're a voice that is needed now more
Speaker 1: than ever because there's so much muck in the world.
Speaker 1: There's so much, especially on the hip hop side. Man,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I feel like we're missing immortal technique
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, thank God that I'm coming out
Speaker 1: with a new record, right yes, thank God that I'm
Speaker 1: working on new music. So I've definitely been doing that.
Speaker 1: And also, I guess I'll just come out and say
Speaker 1: it since I've been saying in another podcast, I do
Speaker 1: some screenwriting now. I do like fixing scripts and people
Speaker 1: contact me for stuff, and it's been an incredible experience.
Speaker 1: The only problem with that, Kevin, that when I do writing,
Speaker 1: people can edit the joke if it's too ruthless or
Speaker 1: something like why this is the point. This is why
Speaker 1: you people have me in the room to write the
Speaker 1: type of shit that people are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what the hell. But that's just to a limit. I
Speaker 1: think with music, with hip hop, I'm able to do
Speaker 1: that even more so than I ever was before. And then,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I started this journey with my
Speaker 1: brother South Paul, who used to work for Puff Daddy,
Speaker 1: so he knew a lot about kind of the studio environment.
Speaker 1: He had set up the pro tools for Daddy's house,
Speaker 1: So I guess for me. One of the best parts
Speaker 1: about kind of growing with this culture has been to
Speaker 1: always stay true to the ideals that it first started.
Speaker 1: We're not here to try to convince people of what
Speaker 1: it is. We're here to offer you these facts that
Speaker 1: you have not been presented before. You haven't even seen
Speaker 1: the evidence. You're basing your opinion on what you've been shown,
Speaker 1: but not everything else. I think it's hard to divorce
Speaker 1: people from their politics, keV. It is because their politics
Speaker 1: is not just politics, it's their entire circle of friends,
Speaker 1: with the family that they're with, It's who you follow
Speaker 1: on Instagram, telling youth, telling people to leave your family. Right. So,
Speaker 1: people have gotten to a point where it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: the morality of the person that's been assigned to it.
Speaker 1: As long as it's their side, they can find a
Speaker 1: reason to not hold that person to the same standards
Speaker 1: as they would somebody else. And at that point, it's
Speaker 1: just so politicized that there's no moral left in it.
Speaker 1: It's not like there's a moral compass. There's just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: imagine if your lawyer your son goes to trial for murder. Right, right,
Speaker 1: the best lawyer in the world has a fourteen year
Speaker 1: old wife, and you're like, dude, he's the best lawyer
Speaker 1: in the world. Though, right, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: That's where we are in politics, and you know, we
Speaker 1: don't even have a shared history. You saw the governor
Speaker 1: of Florida get up and say, hey, it's wrong that
Speaker 1: we're to say that we have stolen land. Yeah, right, literally, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I was gonna ask you, man, because we're
Speaker 1: probably It's funny because I remember as a kid how
Speaker 1: much people did not fuck with George W. Bush at
Speaker 1: a certain point. I remember, like that Michael Moore shit
Speaker 1: came out. I forget then it was a bonly nine
Speaker 1: to eleven or some shit. The first documentary that kind
Speaker 1: of like was like kind of political. People weren't fucking
Speaker 1: with Bush, but then there was people who were loving Bush.
Speaker 1: But now, man, this shit is so crazily divided, and
Speaker 1: I feel like the pendulum on each side has swung
Speaker 1: so extreme that like if somebody, like you said, if
Speaker 1: somebody is just a normal, common sense human being, like
Speaker 1: you said, like, I feel like I probably I grew
Speaker 1: up like a Democrat, right, but I feel like more
Speaker 1: and more I'm just like, maybe I'm just like a
Speaker 1: independent or a libertarian. I don't know, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm also very pro Second Amendment. But nowadays, man, it's
Speaker 1: like everybody and it's probably always been like this, but
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more magnified these days because of
Speaker 1: social media. But I just feel like we're in this
Speaker 1: like weird rut as a country where like everybody is
Speaker 1: just so standing on whatever this island is and whatever
Speaker 1: this island's going for at the time, you have to
Speaker 1: align with all of it or you're on you're over
Speaker 1: there like I would like I would have. The truth is,
Speaker 1: if you bring up a good point, Democrats have never
Speaker 1: fought against Republicans as hard as they fought against the
Speaker 1: left wing of their own party. Fat that's the God.
Speaker 1: That's the God's honest truth. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: that I personally know that started getting closer to trump
Speaker 1: Ism and to Maga and I listen, this is the God.
Speaker 1: Listen if you if your feelings get hurt, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not here to coddle you. A lot of those people
Speaker 1: were actually Bernie Sanders supporters, and they feel and they
Speaker 1: feel that the Democratic Party is more corrupt than the
Speaker 1: Republican Bernie over but they feel like more corrupt. I
Speaker 1: think when we talk about the war being involved in it.
Speaker 1: That's one thing where I have to draw a line
Speaker 1: because Republicans can't hide behind Trump's skirt simply because he
Speaker 1: didn't start any new wars. He dropped a moab on Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: and after the first eighteen months of his presidency please
Speaker 1: look it up, the drone strikes started again. However, that
Speaker 1: doesn't excuse them pushing Democrats to a point where they
Speaker 1: had to have mister Obama commit a series of war
Speaker 1: crimes because the drone strikes that he was sending out
Speaker 1: to Afghanistan were based on metadata. That's why they gave
Speaker 1: him the name the drone Ranger, right, because those metadatas
Speaker 1: the metadata literally means a phone or a device, so
Speaker 1: you're basing it on a phone that this person could have, right,
Speaker 1: which is why when they exposed the rate of the
Speaker 1: drone strikes, they found out that it was over eighty
Speaker 1: and ninety percent the wrong person that they hit. And
Speaker 1: why did we have to learn that through WikiLeaks? That's
Speaker 1: just unfair to the people themselves who paid taxes into
Speaker 1: a system where they believed they were actually fighting a
Speaker 1: war against people trying to kill us, whereas we knocked
Speaker 1: over a country that had nothing to do with nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. Nothing. And then when we get really into detail,
Speaker 1: remember that lady Sarah Palin and everybody was making fun
Speaker 1: of her because she couldn't answer what the Bush doctrine was. Listen,
Speaker 1: the Bush doctrine, ladies and gentlemen, is us knocking over
Speaker 1: countries in the Middle East that don't follow our hegemonic
Speaker 1: view of the region. Tell me that mister Obama didn't
Speaker 1: do that once mister Bush got out of office. Thing.
Speaker 1: That's the issue that we're facing. We're facing the nakedness
Speaker 1: of the empire, the mask taken off, the revealing of
Speaker 1: the fact that we don't actually care if a place
Speaker 1: is democratic or communist or any of these things. As
Speaker 1: long as you back the United States of America will
Speaker 1: give you a pass. In the same way that I
Speaker 1: see these horrible things that the arguments that are happening
Speaker 1: online in between black people and Jewish people over what's
Speaker 1: transpired with Kanye and everything, and I say, the sad
Speaker 1: part is that if you look at actual conservatives that
Speaker 1: have said horrible things about Jewish people, they're they're not
Speaker 1: touched but it's also because they supported the state of
Speaker 1: Israel in the same sentence. So this complicates the case
Speaker 1: very much. And I think it's actually damaged the relationship
Speaker 1: that Black and Jewish people have because they feel like
Speaker 1: they've been singled out and the other group feels like
Speaker 1: they've been singled out. I think that more than ever,
Speaker 1: needs some kind of healing, some kind of reciprocity to understand,
Speaker 1: because you have an entire group of people who say, well,
Speaker 1: there's different consequences for us versus that, and that makes
Speaker 1: people feel like their lives aren't worth the same right.
Speaker 1: And I think on the other end, you have a
Speaker 1: group of people who have felt that they've been persecuted
Speaker 1: in Europe and now they're persecuted here and therefore high
Speaker 1: up on end. And whether you agree with anything the
Speaker 1: man said or not, you have legitimate divide in the
Speaker 1: community now where people are arguing that didn't even have
Speaker 1: a problem with, weren't consciousness to argue before. So, like
Speaker 1: you said, the political lines are already kind of drawn
Speaker 1: there for a person if they wanted to crawl into
Speaker 1: that trench, to then feel comfortable with because they don't
Speaker 1: have to listen to an opposing opinion. Like you said,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of echo chambers. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: places where people just hear something repeated. They don't want
Speaker 1: to hear the truth. They don't want to say, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: Republicans have actually never shrunken the size of government that
Speaker 1: Democrats have committed war crimes in the past two decades.
Speaker 1: These are not comfortable topics, but they're true. And that's
Speaker 1: the reason why I guess people love my music because
Speaker 1: I give it to both sides, because I don't pull punches,
Speaker 1: and because when it comes down to it, I'm not
Speaker 1: just independent in terms of the music, but I try
Speaker 1: to be independent here in front of the politics because
Speaker 1: I realize what's actually happened as a case of this. Now,
Speaker 1: we could take subject matters independently, right, like immigration, abortion,
Speaker 1: and we can discuss all these things, of course, but
Speaker 1: with that comes historical nuance, right when people say, oh, immigrants,
Speaker 1: who got everything? And I'm like, well, why don't you
Speaker 1: look up the Homestead Act or the DAWs Act, where
Speaker 1: this government gave millions of acres to white settlers that
Speaker 1: just came off a boat from somewhere because you wanted
Speaker 1: indigenous people to be replaced. We hear a lot from
Speaker 1: the far right about a white replacement theory, but let's
Speaker 1: have a conversation about indigenous replacement practice that took place
Speaker 1: reality of that. Yeah. So I think in many ways,
Speaker 1: it's not that people are angry at socialism keV. They're
Speaker 1: mad that only rich people have been able to use it,
Speaker 1: that they got billions of dollars of bailouts, and that
Speaker 1: nobody who lost their home got any bailing You always say,
Speaker 1: like socialism, like obviously, I think like I was a
Speaker 1: Bernie supporter. I donated to his camp. I loved Bernie.
Speaker 1: I just loved him because he was the most consistent
Speaker 1: politician I had ever seen. At least he was very
Speaker 1: honest in the sense that you know, when you heard
Speaker 1: that Hillary Clinton calling him a violent misogynist, everyone was
Speaker 1: scratching their head, like you talk about your husband, you
Speaker 1: talk about Bernie, She's wild. What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: She's She's yeah, Jesus Christ. But I think, but I
Speaker 1: think that that that having a conversation just shows you
Speaker 1: how many people were understanding that, yes, we do have
Speaker 1: socialism in this country, socialism for the rich. And I'll
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Speaker 1: not invited into that boardroom. You're not invited into the
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Speaker 1: because they have high fructose corn syrup. I just came
Speaker 1: back from a tour in Europe. They don't even sell
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Speaker 1: was just on Joe Rogan recently, who he actually sued
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Speaker 1: They deleted his tweet, they banned him, and he sued
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Speaker 1: his living as a writer, and they had to reinstate
Speaker 1: him and then they had to pay him money. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, his premise was, and I think I know
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. He said, listen, if I'm
Speaker 1: not an anti vaxxer, I I'm propolio for all these
Speaker 1: other things. Yeah, I got the first rounded. But but
Speaker 1: let me just say, honestly, the thing that he brought
Speaker 1: up that's incredibly important that he should never have been
Speaker 1: punished for. He said that it's technically not a vaccine
Speaker 1: because if you take it, then you shouldn't get the virus.
Speaker 1: If you can still get the virus, but for example,
Speaker 1: what they decided to rebrand and say, well, it's not
Speaker 1: that you don't get the virus, it's that you get
Speaker 1: a must much lesser effect. But that's a virus exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the backfoot that they fell on.
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Speaker 1: That's not the position you retreat to. So when I
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Speaker 1: not just to be on IG like, oh, we're out
Speaker 1: here when they said we couldn't be. That's not rebellion,
Speaker 1: that's not revolutionariness, that's just you trying to be a
Speaker 1: troll for IG. We actually went out there and when
Speaker 1: we were moving this food and these products, the police
Speaker 1: stopped me before and they said what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And I said, I've become the food program for the
Speaker 1: grant houses. I'm feeding these people. That is what I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to do, isn't it. And the guys like, you're
Speaker 1: wearing like a you're wearing a vest and you have
Speaker 1: a scanner. I said, that's for my own personal amusement.
Speaker 1: And he's like, what are you doing with that today?
Speaker 1: I said, I don't feel like discussing my day, officer,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to be here and I'm going to
Speaker 1: continue to support these people in my community. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, you're from the twenty sixth precinct, right, You're
Speaker 1: one of Captain Alexis boys. What if she found out
Speaker 1: that you were trying to cut off the food program
Speaker 1: out of that Deblasio canceled, you know, the Blasio, the
Speaker 1: one that you hate. Right. I know how to talk
Speaker 1: to people. So the guys like, man, you can either
Speaker 1: stop me from doing what I'm supposed to do, brother,
Speaker 1: or you can make sure that we get through to
Speaker 1: these people. And I'm gonna be real. They folded, not
Speaker 1: like oh oh no, like no, they folded like wow,
Speaker 1: I see your point. Cool. So we were out there
Speaker 1: and through all the lockdowns. We started this program in
Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty, so when this just started, because
Speaker 1: they really announced the pandemic in like February, so late March,
Speaker 1: early April was when we started. And it was me
Speaker 1: and this one tiny little Dominican girl, right and her
Speaker 1: boyfriend would help now and then. But that's what it was.
Speaker 1: So I tell people, listen, you're gonna get yelled at,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have people disagree with you. It's okay. What
Speaker 1: the purpose is is not to force your ideas on
Speaker 1: other people. You let them come to them naturally, You
Speaker 1: present other arguments, and you give them the ability to
Speaker 1: make that decision. I think too many, too many times,
Speaker 1: like we were just talking about, people expect to be
Speaker 1: able to change someone's mind immediately, and people don't work
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, if you tell people not to
Speaker 1: do something, it's a perfect way to get them to
Speaker 1: try to do something. That's how human beings are wired.
Speaker 1: And if you if you tell people they have to
Speaker 1: do something, then they don't want to. Well wait a minute, right,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I have to do it. It's my body.
Speaker 1: What the fuck as opposed to like, hey, here's what,
Speaker 1: here's the facts, figure it out one hundred percent. Man.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I look, my mom is a two
Speaker 1: time cancer survivor. So I took it very seriously. Of course,
Speaker 1: like you, I was asked away from it, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she was in a nursing home, man, So it was
Speaker 1: obviously a real it's a real thing. I just think that, like,
Speaker 1: there was just so much misinformation that was being fed
Speaker 1: to U. Was on TV every day. It was the
Speaker 1: fear mongering normal ship that it's been happening on the
Speaker 1: media forever. And I feel like so many of the
Speaker 1: voices that were just kind of giving other alternative points
Speaker 1: and actual facts about the vaccine were silenced, and it
Speaker 1: was just like it just like I feel like to
Speaker 1: two years fast forward a lot of that, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, well maybe if you did catch COVID,
Speaker 1: you really didn't need to get the vaccine. If you're
Speaker 1: a healthy person and you got it, your antibodies are
Speaker 1: going to be stronger, and you you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a younger male, you don't have to worry about the
Speaker 1: risk of mildcard died and all this. But if you
Speaker 1: are a young person and you happen to have anything
Speaker 1: like a breathing issue or asthma, then you're much more
Speaker 1: likely to suffer some of the worst consequences. Right, It's
Speaker 1: like it just depends on your like that. But that's
Speaker 1: my whole point why I told people, hey, don't listen
Speaker 1: to come up with shock jock. Come up, go and
Speaker 1: go to your doctor and get checked out, and say, hey,
Speaker 1: is it okay if I do this or is this wrong?
Speaker 1: And I think what the main issue that I saw
Speaker 1: happened with so many people is that a one, people
Speaker 1: weren't empathetic to people who thought they really needed it,
Speaker 1: and the people who were in need of it had
Speaker 1: no empathy towards the people that were on some like
Speaker 1: holistic medicine stuff, which is something that I'm down with,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's like, okay, you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me that now because this person wore a mask,
Speaker 1: that they're propagating fascism. Like, Okay, I had an argument
Speaker 1: with a dude, like a friend of mine who's a
Speaker 1: prominent guy in the anti Maxarin and I said, listen, brother,
Speaker 1: didn't take your freedom this time. They already had it
Speaker 1: when you butchered one million of rockies a country that
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with nine to eleven. They already
Speaker 1: got your freedom when they sent you to Afghanistan. They
Speaker 1: already got your freedom right when they had you bomb
Speaker 1: Libya and open a slave market there, they already got
Speaker 1: your freedom. What they wanted now with this was something
Speaker 1: totally different. They didn't need to put a microchip in
Speaker 1: the vagazine. You already got the micro chip with this,
Speaker 1: it's in your pocket. But what they did do is
Speaker 1: that exposed something even crazier that Adam Smith and Carl Marx,
Speaker 1: even though they're diametrically opposed sides of communism and capitalism,
Speaker 1: we're both right. There's only two classes. The middle class
Speaker 1: is a farce right, and that's what COVID taught you.
Speaker 1: Because you could be have a nice HOUSEKEV. You have
Speaker 1: a nice car, a job, but you're worth negative six
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and a lot of you lost your
Speaker 1: homes during that time, and you realized, oh no, there
Speaker 1: are only two classes. There's the working class, and they're
Speaker 1: the people who control the means of production. And if
Speaker 1: you're not one of these two people, then you think
Speaker 1: you're one in the middle, you're not really one in
Speaker 1: the middle. You're here. See these people know who the
Speaker 1: fuck they are. They don't pay taxes. Their corporation doesn't
Speaker 1: pay taxes. If people want to look up any example
Speaker 1: of that. There's a famous woman from New York called
Speaker 1: Leona Helmsley who owned the Helmsley Building, and she got
Speaker 1: in trouble because for years she paid no taxes like
Speaker 1: all major corporations. Yeah, I mean Google doesn't pay I mean,
Speaker 1: none of these people pay taxes. But she went out
Speaker 1: and said in the media in the New York Times,
Speaker 1: only little people pay taxes. And they had to get
Speaker 1: her because this you can't see such a fucking uproar
Speaker 1: in New York. They were like little people like you mean,
Speaker 1: working class people. Because the capitalist system creates food and
Speaker 1: shelter as commodities, so you're forced to work a forty
Speaker 1: hour work week instead of venturing to things you would
Speaker 1: possibly like the fact that, look, if I get an
Speaker 1: album done and I pay the record label back in
Speaker 1: a traditional scenario, I don't even keep the intellectual property.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. If I get a bank a loan for
Speaker 1: anything else and I pay the loan, bag own the car, everything.
Speaker 1: The problem is this now people bring up is the
Speaker 1: house really yours? Because if you don't pay those property
Speaker 1: taxes that equal the equivalent of the house paid over
Speaker 1: fifty years, they take the house. Do you ever stop
Speaker 1: paying for it? Also, like how many people actually finish
Speaker 1: the thirty year mortgage before they move on to the
Speaker 1: next thing. Ever, it's like a rotation of fuckery for sure. Man, Hey,
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Speaker 1: fucking time. Let's get back to the interview. Well listen,
Speaker 1: Uh you say you're you're dropping new music. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got the new website and Mortal Technique dot com. I
Speaker 1: actually had to sue for it. I had an anonymous
Speaker 1: squatter that was trying to charge me twenty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for it. So hell of a hustle. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of I know that there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: doing that. They just buy websites and they my lawyer
Speaker 1: said no, no, no no, We've reached out to this person
Speaker 1: and they said no, no, no, we'll put the price up.
Speaker 1: So he goes, we're gonna sue and we're gonna demand
Speaker 1: that they show up to court, and they didn't show.
Speaker 1: I showed up with my best pseudo and I was
Speaker 1: walking there like I always made the joke that I
Speaker 1: was walking like Malcolm and Spike Lee and the like this.
Speaker 1: H I was walking right to court like what is it?
Speaker 1: No show? Okay, thank you the website's mind for one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars. Fuck you people that trying
Speaker 1: to rob me. But now we're live at Mortal technique
Speaker 1: dot com. You can get the website, you can get
Speaker 1: tour dates, and you can contact us at the Rebel
Speaker 1: Armie Runs if you want to make a text deductible
Speaker 1: donation to the charitization. Are you going to the streaming
Speaker 1: services or are you doing cause you know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who have kind of it's an unfair system.
Speaker 1: I feel like in terms of like, if you have
Speaker 1: like a thousand fans, you should be able to make
Speaker 1: real money off your music as opposed to making pennies
Speaker 1: off your streams, and I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: are just going straight to consumers these days, whether it's
Speaker 1: like dropping the CD, dropping a download on your website,
Speaker 1: doing the vinyl thing like howry are you gonna drop it?
Speaker 1: I guess traditionally in twenty twenty two ways, like on Spotify,
Speaker 1: on iTunes and all that, or are you gonna do
Speaker 1: other stuff? I'm still looking at that, But I mean,
Speaker 1: I think either way presents its own challenges. I know
Speaker 1: that when I release record that I have to campaign
Speaker 1: the album right. It's not just like throwing it against
Speaker 1: the wall. I think also the fact that I've spent
Speaker 1: so much time working on this album the middle passage
Speaker 1: that it's incredibly important, the fact that it has the
Speaker 1: subject matter of pretty much an African genocide. In that sense,
Speaker 1: I don't have the N word anywhere on the record.
Speaker 1: It is one of the most scholastically put forth examples
Speaker 1: of my work. And also I'm gonna show you that
Speaker 1: even without using certain words, I can be even more ruthless,
Speaker 1: more brutal, more painful, more gut wrenching, more metaphorically and
Speaker 1: similarly driven wretchedness that will make you vomit blood than
Speaker 1: I did before and I'm still that guy, and I'm
Speaker 1: still here. I'm still down with the immigrants, I'm still
Speaker 1: down with the Second Amendment. I'm still down with educating
Speaker 1: my people about how to grow food independently. And you know,
Speaker 1: I appreciate any platform that I'm giving the ability to
Speaker 1: come and speak. Brother, Yeah, you're a legend. I'm curious
Speaker 1: earlier you said recipes Chris Dorner. Now I feel like
Speaker 1: his story and his manifesto, I feel like that's such
Speaker 1: an interesting topic that doesn't get brought up enough because
Speaker 1: I do feel like it's kind of like depending on
Speaker 1: your perspective on it. I mean, obviously nobody should ever
Speaker 1: condone like people dying and stuff, But I always was
Speaker 1: thinking in my head, I was like, man, I wonder
Speaker 1: if anybody will ever tackle that topic from like a
Speaker 1: conceptual way through hip hop, whether it's a record, whether
Speaker 1: it's telling that story. Maybe I'll keep you in the game.
Speaker 1: I can't throw it for you, Kemp, but we definitely
Speaker 1: did bring something up like that on the record. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that, yeah, because I feel like you
Speaker 1: would be the guy to do it. I'm the guy
Speaker 1: that did it already. Okay, it's coming out. But I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, we don't do gratuitous violence. We talk
Speaker 1: about what it is in terms of what that extright.
Speaker 1: The fact that people were so scared of him that
Speaker 1: they decided to shoot other people that weren't even him,
Speaker 1: the fact that they were like, okay, you actually have
Speaker 1: documented files and we heard testimony from the city council
Speaker 1: and so many racist things they said. Chris Dorner allegedly
Speaker 1: had documents and recordings of high level people in the
Speaker 1: LAPD and government saying things that were probably just as bad,
Speaker 1: if not worse. So I think that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of sketch that's around him. There's other people in that
Speaker 1: are in my proximity that I've had a similar experience
Speaker 1: with that I'll say, Okay, I went to Penn State
Speaker 1: University right and around the same time when the sexual
Speaker 1: molestation allegations were going over against Sandusky that other coaches knew.
Speaker 1: There was a district attorney who was the district attorney
Speaker 1: in my case as a matter of fact, when I
Speaker 1: went to prison. His name was Ray Greekar, and he
Speaker 1: was investigating the Sandusky stuff and guess what he was disappeared.
Speaker 1: They found his his he's still going. He was he
Speaker 1: was declared missing, like and he's declared dead. You can
Speaker 1: look his name up ray Greek card g r I
Speaker 1: c ar. And they found his laptop missing a hard
Speaker 1: drive in a fucking lake or like in a river,
Speaker 1: like a little stream, like a mile away from his house.
Speaker 1: So this guy who was investigating who could have possibly
Speaker 1: covered up the rape allegations, gave whoever it was cover
Speaker 1: enough for them to blame only the people who got caught,
Speaker 1: and none of the giant donors from Penn State who
Speaker 1: partook it in the circle to it. Hey man, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna stop talking about this, So if something happens
Speaker 1: to me, we all know what it is. That shit's crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what, man, I do feel like though we
Speaker 1: are in a I mean, even if it doesn't really matter,
Speaker 1: I do think that nowadays people are a little bit
Speaker 1: more skeptical of the information they're given and they try
Speaker 1: to dig in a little bit under the surface a
Speaker 1: little bit more then, you know, I feel like that's
Speaker 1: obviously the Internet's kind of changed a lot of just
Speaker 1: the way people think. And hopefully, like you said, hopefully
Speaker 1: people can snap out of this fucking weird tribal like
Speaker 1: extreme I'm over here or I'm over here, And if
Speaker 1: you don't agree with me on this, but you agree
Speaker 1: with me on ten other things, but you don't agree
Speaker 1: with me on this, it's fuck you. You're over there.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I think the primary basis I have
Speaker 1: to say is that I'm willing to agree with anybody
Speaker 1: or be able to have that disagreement, as long as
Speaker 1: those disagreements don't infringe on my humanity. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to take away my humanity. And I think what you
Speaker 1: also bring up is important to say. For all those
Speaker 1: people that are talking about a civil war, just remember
Speaker 1: the only winners of a civil war United States will
Speaker 1: be China and Russia. You'll hand them the planet. Good
Speaker 1: luck though. That's how we're going to hand the interview.
Speaker 1: That's right,