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Speaker 3: From Radio Row in Las Vegas, Nevada's Around the NFL
Speaker 3: Super Bowl Week Show three of four. On our final
Speaker 3: show from Radio Row. As we head into the weekend
Speaker 3: and then the biggest football game of the year, Dan
Speaker 3: Hans is here with the heroes, Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler,
Speaker 3: and yes, we got another great show coming up. Great guests,
Speaker 3: great conversations, go over NFL honors, the Hall of Fame announcements,
Speaker 3: make our game predictions, some sandwiches on the line.
Speaker 2: Let's have some fun last.
Speaker 3: Show of the week before Super Bowl fifty eight kicks off.
Speaker 2: No, fine, we'll be had. We are serious football people.
Speaker 2: I don't think we are.
Speaker 3: It sounds like Greg when we drove by the pinball
Speaker 3: museum and he's like, wait, what's pinball?
Speaker 2: Were definitely born planet, but Greg, but that was stunning
Speaker 2: to me. Hemans will know. My brain just wasn't working.
Speaker 4: I was thinking candle like it was a different version
Speaker 4: of candlepin bowling because it looked like a bowling alley or.
Speaker 3: So I was like, what the hell, let's not lose
Speaker 3: the site that there is an actual pinball museum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is I think there could be some cool
Speaker 2: items in there.
Speaker 5: We're talking like nineteen seventy two pinball machine where the.
Speaker 2: Gen xers are definitely feeling the pinball. I'm I'm not
Speaker 2: rushing over there, but I think it might have some charm.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It is sad that the pinball has lost its cultural cachet,
Speaker 3: but the museum is here for those who are still.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. How are you feeling, Mark? How are we?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: I am just here to do like what I could
Speaker 2: do the best I can. No, I'm not.
Speaker 5: It's like it's it's it's it's a lost super Bowl level.
Speaker 5: But because I I don't think I've seen Las Vegas
Speaker 5: at all. I feel I've been in my hotel room
Speaker 5: and then wheeled over to this facility and then we'll.
Speaker 3: Have to taking Mark to the set in a wheelchair.
Speaker 3: People should know that the full story of what's happening here.
Speaker 4: Yes, we Uh, Dan and I did you know they
Speaker 4: rarely tried bang bang? Last night, two dinners both you know,
Speaker 4: great great company, A six o'clock dinner with our producer
Speaker 4: Eric and uh and our great friend Matt Casey from NBC.
Speaker 4: And then when we're on our way to the second
Speaker 4: dinner where we're going to see a handsome Hank and
Speaker 4: our friend Connor or we actually saw a young man
Speaker 4: wearing His name is Will Soystrom, and uh Will was
Speaker 4: wearing a sweatshirt with our faces on it, the old
Speaker 4: Room full of Heroes sweatshirt that someone had like sort
Speaker 4: of illegally made and sold on our having.
Speaker 2: That's fine, it's good to it's all.
Speaker 3: It'd be nice if we made a dollar of merch
Speaker 3: income at some point in our career, but that's.
Speaker 2: Not Will's fault.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 4: The fact he was repping repping us and we just
Speaker 4: walked by him in the casino is an amazing.
Speaker 3: Like everybody's minds were appropriately blown, but just the happenstance
Speaker 3: of it all.
Speaker 2: And then he was like, where's Mark And we're like, well,
Speaker 2: Mark's under the weather.
Speaker 5: He was, well, I always whenever anything happened, there's an
Speaker 5: air of disappointment from Dan and Greg and I think
Speaker 5: they've been vaguely don't believe that I've been ill, but
Speaker 5: I've been hotel room the entire We believe you.
Speaker 2: I am, I believe you. It's been an odd week.
Speaker 2: I have I.
Speaker 5: Floor though, and I've had an incredible view of what's
Speaker 5: out in Vegas.
Speaker 2: It's a surreal sight.
Speaker 3: That that that meeting, a chance meeting, is right there
Speaker 3: with me too. A couple of years ago when we
Speaker 3: were walking through the streets of London and not a
Speaker 3: young man, a young bloke was walking towards us, and
Speaker 3: he stops in his tracks. He pulls his AirPods out
Speaker 3: and he just doesn't say where, he just points at
Speaker 3: him and he goes, I'm listening to you Mite, which
Speaker 3: is pretty tribute to So it's very cool to see
Speaker 3: and we have over the course of this week people
Speaker 3: have been, uh coming up to us. Yesterday at dinner
Speaker 3: there's a jr VP fan and somebody came up and said,
Speaker 3: once throwback podcast coming back? So all the satellite what
Speaker 3: about our Bang Bang two? Mark featured the great Connor
Speaker 3: or Yes and handsome Hank right, and now now the
Speaker 3: only question is does the Heat and Light podcast return?
Speaker 5: We get questions about that, either individually or combined on
Speaker 5: a I would say a if not weekly three or
Speaker 5: four times a week basis on.
Speaker 2: Twitter, and there's some people out there that want it.
Speaker 5: I think it's you know, we ran into tech issues
Speaker 5: last time. Those have been wiped away, and I think
Speaker 5: Connor and I are more free now.
Speaker 2: You guys are on an amazing platform.
Speaker 3: I remember that we literally had a meeting with the
Speaker 3: great people of iHeart earlier this week and like, if
Speaker 3: you guys have any ideas to do a show, like,
Speaker 3: we'd love to do one with you.
Speaker 2: I could see it coming back. I mean, Connor and
Speaker 2: I want to you want to leave a heating light
Speaker 2: of water, but can you make a drink?
Speaker 5: It's like, do you want to do the sequel to
Speaker 5: something twenty five years later? The fans wanted, like that's
Speaker 5: what that's what we're.
Speaker 3: Working for, the Phantom Menace heat too, not a little
Speaker 3: bit of heat too? All right, so good stuff, great stuff.
Speaker 3: Let's let's get into it. Let's start with everything that
Speaker 3: went down here in Vegas at the annual NFL Honors
Speaker 3: Award Awards, in which they you know, make all the announcements.
Speaker 2: Prince Harry was in the house. How about that thank
Speaker 2: you on his job.
Speaker 5: I think that was the news of the week to me,
Speaker 5: is that Prince Harry is being, you know, tugged from
Speaker 5: place to place and made move handsome.
Speaker 3: Hank the guy was like fourteenth in line for the throne,
Speaker 3: and now he's like one of the biggest celebrities in
Speaker 3: the world. And all he had to do was turn
Speaker 3: his back on everything that he was connected to in
Speaker 3: his life. There's something to take out of that. Perhaps,
Speaker 3: I don't know, let's get into it. I don't have
Speaker 3: a pro or anti Harry stance. I'm just pointing out
Speaker 3: that he went from like third or fourth in line
Speaker 3: for the throne to like cam Hayward's up on stage
Speaker 3: accepting the Walter Payton Award and he's like, the first
Speaker 3: thing he says.
Speaker 2: Is that's freaking Prince Harry. It was really threaded a needle.
Speaker 2: I guess this is the crazy moment.
Speaker 4: It definitely like jumped up the star power for NFL Honors, Henry.
Speaker 3: I would think God at least a twenty percent raise. Look,
Speaker 3: Chris Berman is.
Speaker 2: Oh, shaking hand away over there, glad ending the big
Speaker 2: bell bottom. That's his only blazer, by the way, look
Speaker 2: at him.
Speaker 3: We have reached the stage in the Super Bowl week
Speaker 3: where the splash page on ESPN dot com is Chris
Speaker 3: Berman picks the winner super Bowl fifty eight. So that's
Speaker 3: where we're at now, all right, it's time. Don't get impatient.
Speaker 3: Greg's the journey. I just mean that, that's like, what
Speaker 3: are we doing here? Yeah, make a big deal of
Speaker 3: who what the pick is?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Well, like we're gonna do in just a bit, We're
Speaker 3: gonna make our picks. But let's start with NFL Honors.
Speaker 3: And obviously the big award is NFL MVP. And this
Speaker 3: is not a surprise the way that in general a
Speaker 3: lot of these awards there wasn't a lot of fun
Speaker 3: intrigue this year for several of them, including MVP, because
Speaker 3: you knew the way the season ended, Lamar was gonna win.
Speaker 3: It really came down to was he gonna win unanimously?
Speaker 3: He did not, but he got forty nine of the
Speaker 3: fifty first place votes, so it was a blowout. Dack
Speaker 3: a distant second place with fifteen points, Lamar forty nine,
Speaker 3: CMC with fourteen, Your boy Mark Brock finished with nine.
Speaker 3: So that was the voting. And here was Lamar on
Speaker 3: stage after accepting the award.
Speaker 6: I'd rather signing a video to except the award if
Speaker 6: I was waining. You know that it was great players
Speaker 6: who was nominating as will not just himself and the
Speaker 6: heads off to those guys. I didn't do a lot
Speaker 6: for four teams as well, you know, just to get
Speaker 6: this award. To be here for the award, it's a hundred,
Speaker 6: but I rather would have been in the super vote.
Speaker 6: Except the war it's all doing, you know.
Speaker 3: I feel like just enough time has passed where it's
Speaker 3: not weird for him to be on the stage after
Speaker 3: blowing the AFC title game.
Speaker 2: So that's good for the lam Army.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's happened a lot in NFL history that these
Speaker 4: NFL MVPs accept the award after a crushing playoff disappointment.
Speaker 4: Actually it happened Wonky. Yeah. I believe Patrick Mahomes that
Speaker 4: the year he lost to the Patriots in the AFC
Speaker 4: Championship Game as a starter his first one, same thing happened.
Speaker 4: It's happened a number of times, and it is awkward,
Speaker 4: but you're able. I think he's able to appreciate it
Speaker 4: and the bigger surprises.
Speaker 2: Just like that.
Speaker 4: It was such a blowout to me. I guess it
Speaker 4: was just the way the season ended. It felt like
Speaker 4: a very strange MVP year that Lamar would have been
Speaker 4: my pick.
Speaker 2: So he was a deserving winner.
Speaker 4: I think he was the right pick for this year,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't a year like where the last few years.
Speaker 4: I think the second or third place, like Jalen Hurts
Speaker 4: his twenty twenty two season would have won this, Josh
Speaker 4: Allen a couple of years ago would have won this,
Speaker 4: And there just wasn't one of those seasons this year,
Speaker 4: and Lamar was the best of the options.
Speaker 5: You know, I think they there was the way the
Speaker 5: schedule worked out. MVP candidate knocked out MVP candidate, then
Speaker 5: the next week that guy got knocked out by someone else,
Speaker 5: and like Lamar kind of was on top of the
Speaker 5: hill at the end of the season. But I just
Speaker 5: go back to this thing, and I guess part of
Speaker 5: it is like we're in an arrow where like what
Speaker 5: happens in the postseason, it's not supposed to matter in
Speaker 5: terms of MVP Quarterback.
Speaker 2: Offensive Player of the Year, but I would rather we
Speaker 2: vote later.
Speaker 5: There is something awkward to me to have the MVP
Speaker 5: be someone this is just me who completely blew it
Speaker 5: in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: It's a little It's a regular season award though, that's.
Speaker 1: Just that's just what it is.
Speaker 5: I guess it should be because otherwise it's gonna just
Speaker 5: tilt heavily no matter what happens in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: But so here's the thing, I think, Well, it's not
Speaker 3: it would have been weirder had Dak Prescott got up.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's not nineteen eighty two and the kicker for Washington winning, Right, there's.
Speaker 7: Been this one.
Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to look back and while
Speaker 3: we're not going to disagree that Lamar should have won,
Speaker 3: we're gonna be like, wow, he kind of this is
Speaker 3: not that he was lucky, but it's like.
Speaker 1: Good year to be here.
Speaker 2: To look at his numbers. He didn't have his best
Speaker 2: rushing year.
Speaker 3: He was middle of the pack and touchdown passes and
Speaker 3: yardage everything else. He passed the eye test and he
Speaker 3: won a bunch of big time games in the season,
Speaker 3: so it makes sense. But the numbers, it's it's kind
Speaker 3: of a strange year. And but he got it. He's
Speaker 3: got the hardware. You know, you got to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't know people will remember that though.
Speaker 4: It's like when Palama There's been some Defensive Player of
Speaker 4: the Year awards like that too, where there's not a
Speaker 4: logical pick.
Speaker 2: I think with the Palamala year, one of the.
Speaker 4: MVP is different than that, right, That's what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like in the long run, though, you're just like, well
Speaker 4: he won two m vps.
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 4: I found the voting interesting. I believe it was Aaron
Speaker 4: Shots voted for Josh Allen first.
Speaker 2: He came in fifth. Overall. I thought there would be
Speaker 2: more diversity.
Speaker 4: Brock Perdy got nine second place votes, five third place votes.
Speaker 4: Dak just edged as you mentioned out Christian McCaffrey, but
Speaker 4: there wasn't like a lot of mixing it up.
Speaker 2: I thought there would be a little more disagreement.
Speaker 3: And I heard and we're at the point of the
Speaker 3: week where everyone you know, not us, of course, but
Speaker 3: everyone that works in media is just trying to like
Speaker 3: get now to the finish line.
Speaker 2: And I heard Stephen A. Smith just railing against whoever
Speaker 2: was the one who didn't vote for Lamar Jackson. It's fine,
Speaker 2: it's a disgrace. No, like Josh Allen had Eric. I
Speaker 2: know Eric would have voted for joshup.
Speaker 3: He had a big time year with like a lot
Speaker 3: of memorable splash plays, and I don't think it's absurd
Speaker 3: that he got a vote.
Speaker 5: Also coming from Aaron Schatz, Like there's a lot of
Speaker 5: data in hard work and perception and ideas going into that.
Speaker 2: It's not just sure from the middle of the front
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 3: Show speaking of well, maybe you would feel differently, Mark
Speaker 3: because your Cleveland Browns had a nice award show. But
Speaker 3: if they factored in the playoffs, there's no way Kevin
Speaker 3: Stefanski is Coach of the Year. But he does win
Speaker 3: the award over Demiko Ryans, who obviously the Texans beat
Speaker 3: up on the Browns in the playoffs. They finished tied
Speaker 3: in points, but it was Kevin Stefanski that got the
Speaker 3: more first place votes, one first votes.
Speaker 2: That's that's as closest against obviously.
Speaker 5: I think that actually, I think that actually emphasizes my
Speaker 5: point forget the brown side of it. It's like, I
Speaker 5: think what Tomiko Ryans did ultimately was go and win
Speaker 5: a playoff game for a team that like absolutely was
Speaker 5: in another world a year ago. And Stefanski, it's, you
Speaker 5: know what, he earned it absolutely for regular season navigation
Speaker 5: of losing like a billion quarterbacks, bringing in Joe Flacco
Speaker 5: and you know, having all that happen the way it did,
Speaker 5: and kind of keeping a calm demeanor through it all.
Speaker 2: He's won it twice.
Speaker 5: There is a pretty short list of coaches, and it's
Speaker 5: an pretty credible list coaches that have won it two times.
Speaker 5: So I Thinkkevin Stefanski is a good coach. He stands
Speaker 5: out on that list is like wow, right.
Speaker 4: Because he was a little bit on the hot seat
Speaker 4: and coming into this year because the other two years
Speaker 4: between the awards were.
Speaker 5: Right, it's fitting. It's fitting that it was tied. I
Speaker 5: think it's fitting that it was just I would have
Speaker 5: loved that actually.
Speaker 2: But it's crazy. Every vote matters.
Speaker 4: Five people left Stefanski off their ballots entirely. You vote
Speaker 4: for the top three, but seven people left Ryan's off
Speaker 4: their ballot entirely.
Speaker 2: So even though had more of those guys off your ballot, I.
Speaker 4: Don't even think that's that crazy too, because like Dan
Speaker 4: Campbell got a decent amount of.
Speaker 2: Support, he had three interesting years, Kyle Sanahan.
Speaker 4: Got a decent amount of votes, John Harbaugh McVeigh.
Speaker 2: And then deep deep I mean, but I'll use someone
Speaker 2: had Bowls third.
Speaker 3: Come on, I'll use as the example. Yeah, if one
Speaker 3: of the playoff teams had a team that used five
Speaker 3: quarterbacks and made the playoffs, like, you can't not give him?
Speaker 2: Well, no, it wasn't wonky at all.
Speaker 5: It's just that I think that the vote to me
Speaker 5: is always ridiculous because just because Kyle Shanahan's been good
Speaker 5: for so long, we see this every year, like he
Speaker 5: gets far fewer votes. Like Kyle Shanahan has done a
Speaker 5: better coaching job than any one of these people.
Speaker 1: He came in four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came in fourth. Thirteen car which has got
Speaker 2: a vote.
Speaker 4: Which is I can't remember if any voting awards Sean
Speaker 4: McDermott for that inspirational speech that galvanized his team to
Speaker 4: a big winning streak.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, the speech was years ago, but it's still yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm cool though with Stefanski winning Coach of the Year,
Speaker 3: Flacco winning Comeback by the Year is wild. We're at
Speaker 3: dinner when we see that, and we had a friend
Speaker 3: who was connected to somebody who had wagered quite amount
Speaker 3: of money on Deamar Hamlin winning that because Damar Hamlin
Speaker 3: nearly died on the.
Speaker 2: Field last year.
Speaker 3: So Flacco gets it after starting five games, winning four
Speaker 3: of them. We have some flaccos sound. I would imagine.
Speaker 3: We've gotten to know Flack over the years. He's a
Speaker 3: humble guy. He kind of sees he has a good
Speaker 3: perspective on things. It had to be a little weird
Speaker 3: to beat the guy that almost died, you know, I
Speaker 3: keep saying.
Speaker 2: It feels kind of strange.
Speaker 7: I literally played in five games this year in the
Speaker 7: regular season, so it definitely feels a little strange.
Speaker 2: But man, he's a special two months.
Speaker 1: So I think anytime that you get recognized for playing
Speaker 1: some good football if it means a lot.
Speaker 3: So Flacco takes that award. Let's keep moving. Offensive Player
Speaker 3: of the Year, we can come back to any of these.
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey takes that well earned. He was a monster,
Speaker 3: led the league of all purpose yards over twenty touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Another very close vote was Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett edges Maker Parson TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt. How close was that vote?
Speaker 5: That was twenty three from Miles Garrett, nineteen for Watt.
Speaker 5: Then you go down to Parsons at seven and to
Speaker 5: Ron Bland one.
Speaker 2: And even closer because walk up more.
Speaker 4: The second and third place votes matter a lot, So
Speaker 4: it was it was very tight, but TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt didn't get it done.
Speaker 3: And then ap Offensive Rookie of the Year. This is
Speaker 3: a great rookie class in the NFL. And it was CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 3: who could not as great as some of those guys.
Speaker 3: Pookin a coup really comes to mind.
Speaker 2: He had two first place votes. Yeah, you had to
Speaker 2: give it to Shroud. If it's a rookie who blows
Speaker 2: up the way he did.
Speaker 3: Yes, Stroud deserves that, even not taking into account that
Speaker 3: he had a massive playoff game as well. Yes, well
Speaker 3: deserved for Stroud and Defensive Rookie of the Year. Just
Speaker 3: like the Jets last year, a team sweeps this category,
Speaker 3: it is Texans Will Anderson Junior taking that trophy.
Speaker 2: Hild Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, the Will Anderson Defensive Player of the Year vote
Speaker 4: was also extremely close in first place votes.
Speaker 2: Actually, our guy, the.
Speaker 4: Conductor, Kobe Turner tied for the lead there with Will
Speaker 4: Anderson and Jalen Carter.
Speaker 5: They each get your guy. I mean, we like him,
Speaker 5: but he's your guy.
Speaker 4: He's got fourteen place votes, But it was the second
Speaker 4: and third place votes that ended up deciding. So Carter
Speaker 4: got second, uh and and Kobe Turner got third. The
Speaker 4: Comeback Player of the Year, though, is maybe the most
Speaker 4: surprising NFL Honors award that I can remember.
Speaker 5: I would say, like I've heard it's like put out there,
Speaker 5: and I kind of think this would be a good
Speaker 5: solution that just named the award after Demor Hamlin and
Speaker 5: then from here on out, because it's like and then
Speaker 5: give it.
Speaker 2: But I know, but I like I'm saying they could
Speaker 2: have done give him the award. It's it's strange.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of people must have really the flaccos
Speaker 5: to the narrative, like completely, I think outshine the fact
Speaker 5: that Hamlin didn't play much this year too.
Speaker 2: But Brown's QB take.
Speaker 3: I thought Baker deserved it more than Flakka for what
Speaker 3: he did this year.
Speaker 4: Baker came in third, and this just reminds me of
Speaker 4: Wes because we would rail against the Comeback Player of
Speaker 4: the Year award, and I agree, it's just so nebulous.
Speaker 4: I think if you're going to have an award, make
Speaker 4: a definition of what it is, because you're trying to
Speaker 4: compare a player that came back from a near death
Speaker 4: experience to a guy, as I saw on Twitter, that
Speaker 4: was coming back from unemployment like he just was he
Speaker 4: didn't he literally didn't have a job. And it's like
Speaker 4: and then Baker, who fits a more traditional kind of
Speaker 4: winner of the award, of just like coming back from
Speaker 4: a big career dip, like define exactly.
Speaker 2: What it is.
Speaker 8: This morning, I was feeling pretty dangerous.
Speaker 4: Because eight people Damar Hamlin actually got eight more first
Speaker 4: place votes than Joe Flacco. So actually, the conventional wisdom
Speaker 4: was was kind of right, and they only changed the
Speaker 4: voting last year to include first, second, third in every vote.
Speaker 2: But what happened was.
Speaker 4: Eight people left Damar Hamlin off their bouts entirely. Now,
Speaker 4: they could have just thought, they might have just thought
Speaker 4: he doesn't really make sense for this award in their mind,
Speaker 4: or they could have completely forgotten him because he you know,
Speaker 4: just they weren't thinking about him because he didn't have.
Speaker 2: A big season's gotten him.
Speaker 4: Trust me, not every not all fifty voters are like
Speaker 4: completely locked into what's going on. So it's one of
Speaker 4: those two things. But either of those, to me, are
Speaker 4: kind of unacceptable. And I just think they got to
Speaker 4: define what the award is because Flacko only got left
Speaker 4: off three ballots and he got a ton of second
Speaker 4: place votes and that's why he won, even though actually
Speaker 4: way more people thought Hamlin should have won.
Speaker 2: Well, well, a lot of it is what happens at
Speaker 2: the end of the season.
Speaker 5: But when you say to define what the award is,
Speaker 5: I think it's one of the more nebulous awards out
Speaker 5: there because if you say it's just for returning from injury,
Speaker 5: or it's bad season, great season, or it's something obscure
Speaker 5: happened to you and then you return and play well,
Speaker 5: it's like there's all sorts of comebacks.
Speaker 4: And heard he got six six total votes, including a
Speaker 4: first place votes, I was like, wait, what's he coming back?
Speaker 4: Calvin Ridley came in seventh for coming back from a
Speaker 4: gambling suspension.
Speaker 2: I think the cynical.
Speaker 3: The cynical to me with Hamelin is that happened late
Speaker 3: in the regular season last year, and then he was
Speaker 3: at NFL Honors last year and they celebrated him there,
Speaker 3: and it's almost like it's old news. So the fact
Speaker 3: that he didn't qualify for the award last year, the
Speaker 3: people kind of moved on. It was no longer compelling
Speaker 3: to them in the way it was. But right those
Speaker 3: that remember that night and really how that played, that's listen.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a silly ward. But what happened to him,
Speaker 3: that to me, defines the idea to go back on
Speaker 3: the field and face almost that fear of after what happened.
Speaker 2: That's that's a coming, right.
Speaker 5: But it's also the kind of thing where it doesn't
Speaker 5: like turn Joe Flacco into the villain in this exercise nod.
Speaker 4: You know, he felt awkward about it and said as
Speaker 4: much because he was like, I don't even know, like
Speaker 4: what this be.
Speaker 2: Like he gets it.
Speaker 4: It's like Phil Rivers said the same thing when he
Speaker 4: was coming back from nothing and won the word. He
Speaker 4: came back from a bad season where he was just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: Ryan Tannehill that's still my favorite, had a similar one
Speaker 4: and the last awards they I just would want to say,
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, it's very nebulous, calm down, TJ. Watt
Speaker 4: and Steelers fans, you want a Defensive Player of the
Speaker 4: Year award before.
Speaker 2: They were such a hard on for TJ. Watt? What
Speaker 2: do you mean? You just always got to get him?
Speaker 2: I feel like, but there just gets so mad, like
Speaker 2: so fired up.
Speaker 4: As if the top four candidates, and I would include
Speaker 4: Crosby in this who came in fourth, in Parsons, who
Speaker 4: came in a distant third, you were splitting hairs to
Speaker 4: pick between any of the four of them. So you really,
Speaker 4: I don't think you can feel that like crazy that
Speaker 4: anyone would get robbed here.
Speaker 2: It made sense to me that Garrett won it.
Speaker 5: A great sight of the night was calling Wolfe interviewing
Speaker 5: Joe Flacco before the awards, and he was towering over
Speaker 5: by what seemed to be like a foot and a half,
Speaker 5: and she mentioned that she was already in six inch
Speaker 5: heels and she just was like looking up at him
Speaker 5: like she would add a skyscraper, sneaky tall man.
Speaker 4: My image also with Flakaumember from the night is that
Speaker 4: there's a clip of Lamar putting his arm around like
Speaker 4: that Blacko's shoulder and then he put his head on
Speaker 4: his other shoulder like it was he was like Joe
Speaker 4: Flacco's young child. So that's that's nice to see. After
Speaker 4: there were some reports of them being quite prickly with.
Speaker 3: The jo like to be a Ravens quarterback who steps
Speaker 3: up in the playoffs. Tell me more, show me the path. Sorry,
Speaker 3: Greg took Joe a while too, right, Joe, listen, Joe,
Speaker 3: I remember this Super Bowl year, fifth year, well it
Speaker 3: was his fifth year they'd made the play. Remember him
Speaker 3: playing lights out in Foxboro a year or two later
Speaker 3: and that a great comeback by the Pats.
Speaker 2: He was a big time January performer.
Speaker 3: All right, let's uh, let's pivot and talk a little
Speaker 3: Hall of fame.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 3: Uh well, let's start a Super Bowl week after all
Speaker 3: with a great super Bowl memory of the Aughts and
Speaker 3: the Colts have had a hard time all season covering kicks.
Speaker 3: It's Hester trying to work it back to the middle,
Speaker 3: gets past.
Speaker 2: The first raven. Here he goes. That's Hester and signed
Speaker 2: the thirty. Hester's gonna take.
Speaker 4: It over the way for a touchdown and no flag
Speaker 4: ninety two yards.
Speaker 3: Listen, it's hearing Jim Nantzer without romogon hod Jim. That
Speaker 3: was Devin Hester Hester super Bowl forty one. I call
Speaker 3: it the Prince super Bowl in Miami, the heavily favorite
Speaker 3: Colts against the Bears.
Speaker 2: And that was the highlight. Ooh, it was the highlight
Speaker 2: on that night for the Bears.
Speaker 3: The opening kickoff in an eventual Indianapolis win Devin Hester.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting, it's kind of fun now with as
Speaker 3: we get older and seeing these guys that you remember
Speaker 3: when they came into the league now getting into the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame after watching their whole career Devin hester
Speaker 3: Is in the class of twenty twenty four, joining him
Speaker 3: Dwight Freeney, Andre Johnson, Julius Peppers, Patrick Willis, and then
Speaker 3: in the Senior Committee class getting in as a Randy
Speaker 3: gratischar and Steve McMichael former Bears. Great, great crew, all
Speaker 3: deserving who jumps out to you on that one great
Speaker 3: of that list.
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to see Andre Johnson and Julius Peppers get in.
Speaker 4: It's a great reminder, especially with Peppers, to just wait
Speaker 4: a little bit, wait a little bit to evaluate these careers.
Speaker 4: And when I was mentioning Flacco before I was thinking
Speaker 4: about I think it was his first three years he
Speaker 4: had like one touchdown, eight seven interceptions, and they were
Speaker 4: really getting on it.
Speaker 2: You get it, Lamar Jackson. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: I just meant like people were killing flac Oh for
Speaker 4: not being a playoff performer for years, and then it
Speaker 4: actually flipped the entire way, and Julius Peppers to me,
Speaker 4: was picked on for years of maybe not living up
Speaker 4: to his.
Speaker 2: Like draft value. Like people have totally memory hold this.
Speaker 4: They're like, well, he's so talented, but he really doesn't
Speaker 4: play that hard. And it was like just people who
Speaker 4: were kind of making vaguely racist comments about a guy
Speaker 4: who's extremely low key. And sometimes you have to really
Speaker 4: watch I think the film to appreciate and appreciate his
Speaker 4: consistency that it got better and better and better, and
Speaker 4: and he made things look easy.
Speaker 2: And he was a guy who I think got in.
Speaker 4: In part because he had such a long career of
Speaker 4: sustained excellence. But for the first five or six years
Speaker 4: of his career, where he was still very good, he
Speaker 4: got picked on and people were using the B word
Speaker 4: around him. And he's literally a Hall of Famer a
Speaker 4: and so it's really cool to see him get in.
Speaker 2: This beward the bust word, I don't know, I called
Speaker 2: the bet. Yeah. I love this.
Speaker 4: Class because this is the first. Like, I just think
Speaker 4: it's like a cool class. Aren't all these players cool?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's like we covered big chunks of their careers.
Speaker 5: Like Devin Hester obviously stands out different that you will
Speaker 5: never have a player like him getting into the Hall
Speaker 5: of Fame ever again, assuming the NFL keeps the rules
Speaker 5: as they are for Kinnick and punt returns, it just
Speaker 5: will never happen. It's like that that element and the
Speaker 5: danger that he presented. Will has gone away in the NFL.
Speaker 5: I everyone always sort of brushes over the senior entries.
Speaker 5: But Steve McMichael, I think, was the first football card
Speaker 5: I ever had, and was a member of that eighty
Speaker 5: five Bears team and was a long haired, angry, like
Speaker 5: jury driven linebacker who sometimes because you had Mike Singletary
Speaker 5: in there in a couple O's Ron Rivera gets a
Speaker 5: little bit forgotten.
Speaker 2: He was as badass as it gets.
Speaker 5: And right now he's battling als, and I know he's
Speaker 5: going through a lot, But like he was like a
Speaker 5: mid eighties and he played a lot longer than that
Speaker 5: Bears team, but he was a mid eighties fire starter
Speaker 5: and an unforgettable if you watched him.
Speaker 3: Andre Johnson is one of the one of the more
Speaker 3: dominant players of his era, and good to see him
Speaker 3: get in some of the guys as they get older,
Speaker 3: and that was the case with the Johnson's last three years.
Speaker 3: He was in decline as a player, and you know,
Speaker 3: bounced around a little bit, went to Indianapolis, even was
Speaker 3: in Tennessee at the very end. But those prime years,
Speaker 3: those peak years with Houston, he was just locking in.
Speaker 3: He was a first first team All Pro twice, second
Speaker 3: team All Pro twice, and kind of like the lynchpin
Speaker 3: of that offense and that JJ Watt years. He was
Speaker 3: the star on the other side of the ball, the
Speaker 3: consistent guy, and well deserved for him as well.
Speaker 2: I think Patrick Willis was essentially a perfect player.
Speaker 5: He didn't have as long of a career as some
Speaker 5: of these guys, but like was a perfect player, right.
Speaker 4: I love that he got in because to me, he's
Speaker 4: a little bit like Terrell Davis, where the first five
Speaker 4: years of his career he was the defining inside slash
Speaker 4: middle linebacker of those five or six years and then
Speaker 4: he got hurt and it was kind of it. It
Speaker 4: was really six years, And I think that's to me
Speaker 4: more worthy of a Hall of Fame induction, that you're
Speaker 4: dominant for a six years, six years a long time
Speaker 4: in the NFL than some of the compilers that get in.
Speaker 4: So to me, he's a particular type that I'm glad
Speaker 4: got in. I just like this is actually the first
Speaker 4: class where I started doing NFL covering it in two
Speaker 4: thousand and three. I feel like I did pretty much
Speaker 4: see all of all of these guys careers free Andy
Speaker 4: started just a bit before, same with Peppers, and it's
Speaker 4: just I don't know, it's badass to see. But it's
Speaker 4: also crazy to me that Antonio Gates is not on
Speaker 4: this list, because I don't want to do the thing
Speaker 4: where you just say it's crazy he didn't make it.
Speaker 4: Who would you take out over him? Hester, to me
Speaker 4: would be the obvious one, but I would actually put
Speaker 4: Gates over all of them. And I actually think if
Speaker 4: you had asked everyone in twenty ten and you gave
Speaker 4: them this list, who's the biggest lock of the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame here? I think Antonio Gates would have been
Speaker 4: your answer. And I do think he's getting punished a
Speaker 4: little bit for being on the Chargers, and some of
Speaker 4: it's just timing, but he won First team All Pro
Speaker 4: three straight times over Tony Gonzalez. In his peak, he
Speaker 4: has forty more touchdowns than Travis Kelsey does. He's the
Speaker 4: all time leader in touchdowns at his position. He has
Speaker 4: about thirty something more than Gronk does. Like at the time,
Speaker 4: he's one of the there was strong arguments that he's
Speaker 4: the greatest tight end of all the time. So I
Speaker 4: hate knocking it out, but Hester is just a weird
Speaker 4: one because Hester only made three or four Pro Bowls
Speaker 4: like he I think he deserves to get in and
Speaker 4: maybe and I think it's just a timing thing.
Speaker 2: Gates will get and eventually.
Speaker 3: His chemistry with Rivers was unbelievable. And here's the thing
Speaker 3: with him, injuries just really kind of held him back.
Speaker 3: He played forever, but he remember, he's always battling those
Speaker 3: foot issues.
Speaker 2: And when you.
Speaker 3: Look back at his stats, he was always a red
Speaker 3: zone stud. As you mentioned the touchdowns one hundred and sixteen.
Speaker 3: He just had two one thousand yard seasons. Now, I
Speaker 3: know it's a different, but it's a different I'm just
Speaker 3: saying the injuries. He missed a lot of games in
Speaker 3: his career. But to go if you if you're a
Speaker 3: player who goes first team All Pro is big time,
Speaker 3: and he did it three years in a row, and
Speaker 3: then six he was either first team or second team.
Speaker 3: So I feel like this is the case I make
Speaker 3: for Don Mattingly, my hero growing up in baseball. A
Speaker 3: shorter prime that's truncated by injury. But if you are
Speaker 3: a face of the league in a dominant presence over
Speaker 3: the course of a decade like that should be given extra,
Speaker 3: so I'm with you. He'll get get in. He'll get
Speaker 3: it's hard to get I'll be all right. And we
Speaker 3: saw him by the way we were getting coffees. I
Speaker 3: know it was you did saying to him.
Speaker 4: I had just got on a little Twitter rant because
Speaker 4: it annoyed me because I was such a fan. I
Speaker 4: think he's maybe the greatest receiving titand I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: You just have to compare between eras. But I did
Speaker 2: not say anything. You should have showed him your little tweets. Well,
Speaker 2: he's annoyed. I mean, he's actually disappointed that you're in
Speaker 2: his camp. Though that would be clear, you know.
Speaker 3: Sure, first step ever, and we're gonna have Cam Jordan
Speaker 3: on it a little bit. And Cam Jordan is right
Speaker 3: behind Freanie in the sack record. He's in the top
Speaker 3: twenty and sometimes in that. And I said it on
Speaker 3: the pod recently. The best rivalry, the two best rivalries
Speaker 3: Cowboys Niners in the nineties since I've been watching football,
Speaker 3: and Pat's Colts in the two thousands, and the Peyton
Speaker 3: and Brady It sucked up all the oxygen. But Freenye
Speaker 3: was one of the guys, one of the guys the
Speaker 3: dudes on Indianapolis that made that whole team go. And
Speaker 3: he was a consistent force in their front seven. And
Speaker 3: they don't win titles and have that run of success
Speaker 3: without him.
Speaker 2: So also well earned. And he's in the top twenty.
Speaker 4: All times, right, and he's the guy that was getting
Speaker 4: like Defensive Player of the Year second third. Like that's
Speaker 4: the difference between him and like a Willis who was
Speaker 4: really great at his position.
Speaker 2: But he was.
Speaker 4: Another one who was really dominant and had a nice
Speaker 4: little run too. I remember him ever and him in
Speaker 4: the twenty eight to three Falcons team. He had a
Speaker 4: nice little rebound season. I was kind of a team
Speaker 4: leader for them.
Speaker 2: Mark, do you want to add anything on the final
Speaker 2: Veterans Committee, I'm gonna I'm gonna scour that.
Speaker 3: He did well, he said Steve mcnichel. But there's also
Speaker 3: Randy Gratishar. We can't leave Randy at.
Speaker 5: Bradishar was I believe Denver Broncos like during the Orange
Speaker 5: Crush era, that's before my time, So I kind of
Speaker 5: stay away from giving first hand knowledge about players that
Speaker 5: I was during.
Speaker 3: I was essentially a toddler, having the runway in case
Speaker 3: you had something in there.
Speaker 5: I think it's you know, actually my only commentary. It's
Speaker 5: kind of sad for me when it's great that they
Speaker 5: get in, but sometimes they're they're not alive anymore or there.
Speaker 5: It's so far away that people he's a glance over
Speaker 5: it and don't really like understand what their career was.
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't know how we do this with
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, where some of these guys like get
Speaker 5: in and celebrated a little bit earlier.
Speaker 2: If you're on the bubble that long, it feels like
Speaker 2: a rough ride.
Speaker 4: I immediately think about speeches too. With these guys, I
Speaker 4: feel like this is a a good crew. I feel
Speaker 4: like Willis is going to bring some fire. Who else
Speaker 4: we got.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm doing a little gradishar here. He is the
Speaker 3: heart of the Orange Crush defense. He's the all time
Speaker 3: leading tackler for the Denver Broncos. He's the nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: eight defensive Player of the Year. So went to the
Speaker 3: shadow shoudow all right?
Speaker 2: Anything else? All right, let's wrap this up. Good conversation,
Speaker 2: that's what's happening in the news. Let's take a break
Speaker 2: and we'll welcome our first guest.
Speaker 8: We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: But our next guest is he's a dude. Let's start there.
Speaker 2: He's a dude. He's also a.
Speaker 3: Part of the NFL Media podcast network. He's also a
Speaker 3: stud defender for the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 2: You know who I'm talking about, Cameron Jordan. Welcome to
Speaker 2: Around the NFL, buddy.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys having me on. I mean the
Speaker 1: intro music dropped and I was like, oh, no, I
Speaker 1: get it. I get it. Welcome to the twilight Zone.
Speaker 2: So that's okay. So twilight Zone.
Speaker 3: It's always a good test, Like how the guests here
Speaker 3: what that song is.
Speaker 2: So there's a bit of a sci fi vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was quite eerie until the guitar started stringing.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, I always found it.
Speaker 3: It's nineteen eighty eight cop driving back to his apartment
Speaker 3: after his partner just got shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's down and out. Yeah that makes it.
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense.
Speaker 3: Ye, Cam, here's a little full circle moment. We've been
Speaker 3: doing this podcast for eleven years now. I'm getting emotional
Speaker 3: about it. And before the podcast started, we worked and
Speaker 3: just wrote for NFL dot Com. When you were drafted
Speaker 3: into the league, you came to the old Culver City
Speaker 3: Studios and in the green room a young journo Dan
Speaker 3: Hanss met with a rookie and the third person cover
Speaker 3: since he got the last contract, and I remember we
Speaker 3: had a nice conversation. I wrote up the piece that
Speaker 3: I remember talking about your dad Steve and watching the
Speaker 3: Mister Perfect video years ago in w w AT and
Speaker 3: now here you are, like.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you're Hall of Famer. I think you are.
Speaker 2: You're the all time sack leader of the Saints.
Speaker 3: You're you're in the atn Era, one of the greats yeah,
Speaker 3: one of.
Speaker 5: The greatst store and you are in outshine Jordan Cameron,
Speaker 5: who you were mistaken for on that that.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, come on. In two thousand eleven
Speaker 1: draft class arguably the greatest draft class of all times.
Speaker 1: There were so many, you know. There there was Cam
Speaker 1: cam Newton at number one, you know, me at twenty four,
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward at like thirty. Then there's Jordan Cameron and
Speaker 1: like the like the fifth or sixth round. Uh And
Speaker 1: I even got called by the Browns to get drafted
Speaker 1: by them because they it was Jordan Cameron, and it
Speaker 1: was Cameron Jordan. You know, there was a whole invert
Speaker 1: I'm exactly. So, you know, it was a Browns organization
Speaker 1: that we all admire.
Speaker 4: Cameron Hayward. It seems like a great dude. You know,
Speaker 4: he won Walter Peyton Man of the Year award last night. Though,
Speaker 4: Is that problematic for you people? Still confusing?
Speaker 1: I'm got called Cam Hayward a couple of times. Uh,
Speaker 1: in my my stay here for the last three days
Speaker 1: in Vegas, I've called I've been called. I was like, oh, man, Jordan, Cam.
Speaker 1: I said, that don't even make sense that he's been
Speaker 1: retired for so long.
Speaker 2: Unless they go in like Jordan.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it was. It was there was a
Speaker 1: pause in there, so maybe they was just reading it
Speaker 1: like you do the passport, you know, last name first
Speaker 1: and then go on to the name. But I also
Speaker 1: get I was like, oh, he's like, yeah, what they
Speaker 1: don't do? I was like, dude, you're Cam. I was like,
Speaker 1: come on say it, say it like I was like Newton, No, No,
Speaker 1: I was like you don't. I've gotten Brandon Marshall and
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara And at this point, I'm just like, where
Speaker 1: are we going with this?
Speaker 4: You you uh, you know you're a great player, but
Speaker 4: at this point, you're basically a podcaster. Uh, you're our colleague,
Speaker 4: like Alvin Kamara, great teammate. You're our teammate on the
Speaker 4: NF podcast. Yeah, the Off the Edge podcast. And I
Speaker 4: know that you're truly a podcaster because you're getting eight thirty,
Speaker 4: not even a wake up call, an eight thirty car
Speaker 4: to come over here to Radio Row every single day.
Speaker 2: You're you're working harder than us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a it's a six forty
Speaker 1: five wake up too. So I can go run down
Speaker 1: to the to the to the weight room down at
Speaker 1: the hotel just to get my thirty to forty five
Speaker 1: minute elliptic.
Speaker 2: Goal in to get the juices.
Speaker 1: Really, the creative juice is flowing, you know, the cerebral
Speaker 1: cortex has to be pulsating at ultimate levels for for
Speaker 1: me to you know, be able to get into a
Speaker 1: car at eight to be here by eight thirty to
Speaker 1: get this work in.
Speaker 2: How season one going up being a podcast here?
Speaker 1: Man? So you know, I don't even know what season
Speaker 1: this is. So me and mark Ingram had a podcast.
Speaker 1: Trust levels biggest, you know, biggest trust on the highest
Speaker 1: of levels. It was vibes, you know, and when you
Speaker 1: can bounce ideas and talk to other people. It's a
Speaker 1: party going solo, this solo act. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: feeling like just about I'm feeling like justin Timberlake when
Speaker 1: he left in Sync, you know, like I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: off on on my own. I miss my friends. Nope,
Speaker 1: won't say it out loud. We'll continue.
Speaker 2: He made a lot of money.
Speaker 3: Though, Well, you want to be Timberlake like two thousand
Speaker 3: and three to twenty fourteen, not modern day Timberlake when
Speaker 3: everyone hates him.
Speaker 1: Wait, everybody hates him.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's been a lot of pushback and
Speaker 3: blowback with Brittany and Janet and some other stuff.
Speaker 1: Are they on trolls? Do their kids watch him every day?
Speaker 2: I would not know.
Speaker 3: I think Justine is doing all right. I think you're
Speaker 3: right in that Sta. Yeah, he's probably doing quite okay.
Speaker 1: Between Branch and Princess Poppy. You know what goes on
Speaker 1: in my house?
Speaker 2: How many kids you got? I've got four, okay, and
Speaker 2: three of them are girls.
Speaker 1: So guess what. We watch a lot of musicals. I
Speaker 1: guess what trolls is? When heck of a musical?
Speaker 3: We living in la I only know, like one dad
Speaker 3: has three kids and it just tears his life asunder.
Speaker 3: It's mostly two or one and people I know so
Speaker 3: to go. Oh, you're in LA, so the taxes are high.
Speaker 3: There three kids at a.
Speaker 2: School that'll blow the house up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Down, Yeah, that sounds that sounds hurtful. I gotta take
Speaker 1: these kids out to eat every day. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no.
Speaker 2: Can we talk a little Saints?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Why wouldn't I want to talk about the black
Speaker 1: and the gold or the gold on the black?
Speaker 5: Can I ask you one like the most fascinating moment
Speaker 5: for me from the Saints all year. You know, you
Speaker 5: close out the season with a with a You're up
Speaker 5: forty one to seventeen over the desperate Atlanta Falcons. We're
Speaker 5: about to fire their coach and you're you're down at
Speaker 5: the one yard line after an interception, and Jameis Winston
Speaker 5: finished dials up, you know, unbeknownst to the coaching staff,
Speaker 5: a one yard touchdown for Jamal Williams. You go, you
Speaker 5: win the game forty eight seventeen. You know, Arthur Smith
Speaker 5: is all annoyed afterwards. Dennis Allen doesn't know what to say.
Speaker 5: But then Jameis Winston tells everyone later like, look, we
Speaker 5: did it because everyone in the locker room wanted this
Speaker 5: to happen.
Speaker 2: Like your reaction to that, tell me, you tell me
Speaker 2: your version.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. The locker room really enjoys being a brotherhood. Right,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry that we punished a
Speaker 1: rival team. I would do it again. In fact, I
Speaker 1: would have gone for two.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 1: The only thing I'm gonna have discrepancy with is I
Speaker 1: was like I didn't understand the ramifications, Like, no, they
Speaker 1: were taking victory formation. Ah, so the Cantlanta fail Cons
Speaker 1: had already acquiesced and they were they were just trying
Speaker 1: to get out there, just like their head coach was
Speaker 1: about to get out there the Falcons.
Speaker 2: And you know what that I love that about.
Speaker 3: I didn't under Greg went to Tulane, so he was
Speaker 3: a little more into the world there, grew up in
Speaker 3: the Northeast. I didn't understand the true hatred between the
Speaker 3: Saints and Falcons until started covering the sport more closely.
Speaker 2: We kind of need more Saints Falcons.
Speaker 1: Like, good job, I'll see you next time.
Speaker 4: But right when I saw jamis that clip that kind
Speaker 4: of went viral last week on stage at the church.
Speaker 4: As a I was like, Dennis Allen didn't have a
Speaker 4: chance against this guy.
Speaker 2: Of course everyone's following. Jamis went absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1: My only half my gripe was I was like, Dennis
Speaker 1: ended up saying sorry, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, why would you say sorry?
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what you say sorry, We
Speaker 1: didn't go for fifty, So sorry on you.
Speaker 3: But here's the test because like after the game, James like, listen, like,
Speaker 3: apologies to coach, but we made a decision as a team.
Speaker 1: Jamal Jamal has been amazing team right, an amazing player
Speaker 1: whatever they called his number. He's been giving all the juice,
Speaker 1: all the all, you know, even giving up the possibility
Speaker 1: of accolades.
Speaker 2: But as Dennis and Jamis cool, like it's James next year.
Speaker 1: Now, Jameis deserves to be he deserves to be a starter.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you see the quarterbacks that played, I'm
Speaker 1: not knocking anybody, but we played the Chicago Bears and
Speaker 1: it was not justin Phils on the film. We we
Speaker 1: played a guy in New York who whose agent was
Speaker 1: probably became more famous than he did. So you're telling me, Jamis,
Speaker 1: who's got you know, the arm of every Titans dream.
Speaker 4: You know, that's right, you kind of I forgot y'all
Speaker 4: ended de Vito insanity.
Speaker 2: I forgot that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I'm glad we weren't part of DEFO one thing though,
Speaker 5: because I would imagine San Francisco like the players would
Speaker 5: never do that to Kyle Shanahan. So I guess I'm
Speaker 5: asking from another angle, like Dennis Allen kind of like
Speaker 5: they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know, But is it is it.
Speaker 1: Perceived as the players doing something to the coach or
Speaker 1: the players I.
Speaker 5: Think the people the outside the locker room kind of question,
Speaker 5: like does Dennis Allen like have this team, you know,
Speaker 5: in every possible way, or is it like we're gonna
Speaker 5: go do what we want to do no matter who
Speaker 5: the coach.
Speaker 2: But that happened. If Sean Payton's the coach, I don't know,
Speaker 2: absolutely would have gone.
Speaker 1: So I would have gone for it wouldn't been a victory.
Speaker 2: Said no, if Sean said we kneeling now, I don't.
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen us beat the breaks off of
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles and we're up by like thirty something
Speaker 1: forty something. He's like looking around and like it could
Speaker 1: have it's clearly a time to take a knee victory formation,
Speaker 1: and sees Malcolm Jenkins in the secondary, a legendary Saints
Speaker 1: player who had been gone to Philadelphia, and was like, aka,
Speaker 1: over the top now and we're up by like thirty
Speaker 1: five forty. You know. It was like, and we're going
Speaker 1: up top. So I don't see Sean Ever saying no
Speaker 1: to score more touchdowns. Sean yeah, Drew Brees, yeah, say
Speaker 1: no to more touchdowns. Right. That's like, that's like you
Speaker 1: have one hundred bucks and I have I'm about to
Speaker 1: give you a hundred bucks, and you're you're your financial
Speaker 1: advisors saying we don't want an right.
Speaker 2: There was we talked about a lot on the show.
Speaker 4: There was there was like a lot going on with
Speaker 4: the Saints this year, like they were just a strange
Speaker 4: team to figure out where I'm friends with a lot
Speaker 4: of Saints fans kind of followed the coverage, and the
Speaker 4: fans sometimes.
Speaker 2: Were just like frustrated.
Speaker 4: They were frustrated in a way that was almost unusual
Speaker 4: for a team that was still you know, in the
Speaker 4: mix in first place a lot of the years, and
Speaker 4: and I think it was understandable that they were frustrated
Speaker 4: with all the success that they had, and then after
Speaker 4: the season a few things kind of struck me of.
Speaker 1: Somehow we blew a seventeen point lead to the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers.
Speaker 2: That happened. I remember that that was early.
Speaker 4: Mickey Loomis said something about after the season, this is
Speaker 4: what struck me of that like, we we need to
Speaker 4: do some changes maybe with the roster and personnel to
Speaker 4: improve the culture. And that that that comment was like, hm,
Speaker 4: improve the culture because when they hired Dennis Sound, they
Speaker 4: were like, we're keeping Dennis Ound because we want to
Speaker 4: keep this culture going. He's the guy that's been there
Speaker 4: and been running this defense. So like, what do you
Speaker 4: what do you think Mickey Lewis is talking about there,
Speaker 4: like with the culture when.
Speaker 1: There I've learned to not put my GM hat on. Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah I've I've I've played this game and it's never
Speaker 1: worked out. Well. I was like, yeah, this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do with the draft, this is how we
Speaker 1: knowing it, this is what our team needs, and have
Speaker 1: been completely wrong, you know. So I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a defense Vin And then in the
Speaker 1: first round we got a corner and I was like,
Speaker 1: and then we got back into the first round and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is the d N time.
Speaker 1: And then we went off as a tackle which turned
Speaker 1: out to be a phenomenal draft. So you learn to
Speaker 1: shut the hell up and let the up top do
Speaker 1: what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to want more.
Speaker 1: If we're three years driving playoffs and maybe there's a
Speaker 1: culture shop needs to be happened. I think there's there's
Speaker 1: a core group of our players that, uh push positivity
Speaker 1: and whatever it is. In fact, I loved our locker
Speaker 1: room this year. But if our locker room isn't winning
Speaker 1: at a high rate, things are gonna have to shake.
Speaker 1: And one day they're be like, hey Cam, your time, Bud,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, I hope the Saints keep on winning.
Speaker 1: Whatever it takes. I just want the Saints to win.
Speaker 2: We'll close it out with a little legacy talk. So
Speaker 2: I'm looking at.
Speaker 3: Twenty six years toward in football there pick which pick which?
Speaker 3: You're talking about Pro Football Reference. By the way your
Speaker 3: head shots are, they're always on point. What do you
Speaker 3: got in start for this year?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I like the the l Diablo look last year that
Speaker 3: that one was probably my were.
Speaker 1: You talking about the mustache twist up? That was a
Speaker 1: few years ago. I still had like I'd still a
Speaker 1: dreads you do you take? I had a Jerry curl
Speaker 1: after that one. That was I now, I don't understand
Speaker 1: when you know. Dion Sanders was like, it looks dry,
Speaker 1: but it's it's wet, or it was wet, but it
Speaker 1: looks whatever it was. I was like, I need that.
Speaker 4: This this best reason Butler with the NBA, he's kind
Speaker 4: of your version in the NBA doing Fallout Boy that way.
Speaker 3: This that was crazy This year is kind of like
Speaker 3: you're looking like you guy that maybe was on the
Speaker 3: airplane and you kind of let one go and you're
Speaker 3: waiting to see if anybody notices no, no, this one.
Speaker 1: This one was the Alan Iverson inspired walk over the
Speaker 1: Head but oh scraping over Tying Lou you know, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 3: So you have one hundred and seventeen and a half
Speaker 3: career sex and the most ever by the Saints, and
Speaker 3: that is a team that has some big time players
Speaker 3: in their history. Number one on the list is Bruce Smith.
Speaker 3: We're not going to get to two two hundred. But
Speaker 3: if you get to one twenty three eighteen years Yeah,
Speaker 3: we saw him last and it looked like like he's
Speaker 3: thirty seven.
Speaker 1: When I get to one twenty five this upcoming season, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Was gonna say that puts you in the top twenty,
Speaker 3: and that puts you in the club of the great
Speaker 3: late Derrek, Thomas, Dwight, Free, and e Von Miller.
Speaker 2: Let's let's get in that top twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Dwight had one twenty five and a half and to
Speaker 3: get to get into the top twenty, Math is at
Speaker 3: one twenty three, which is what five and a half
Speaker 3: sacks suck?
Speaker 2: Sure, I think we could do that. Keep playing the Falcons,
Speaker 2: it's time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, as long as my ankle doesn't go out
Speaker 1: week eleven, I have to go hobble around for seven weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see, I see myself doing that. The key is
Speaker 1: to stay, you know. They say the best ability is availability.
Speaker 1: And although I played, I was not at my regular
Speaker 1: standard of living after. In fact, I had a dag
Speaker 1: on Atlanta game, So you think I care about Atlanta.
Speaker 2: How frustrating is that when you're just a boy, won't
Speaker 2: listen to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a tin car pile up and everything
Speaker 1: landed on my ankle.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, hopefully next season you stay healthy and
Speaker 3: your dominant force as you've been your whole career. Thank you, buddy,
Speaker 3: and yes, check out the off the edge button.
Speaker 2: Now listen.
Speaker 3: We don't always give massive endorsements of podcasts, but we're
Speaker 3: gonna do it right here because Cam's the real deal.
Speaker 3: He's got obviously a big podcast future. So let's get
Speaker 3: on the let's get on the carpet ride.
Speaker 1: Well, according according to you know, my people, last night,
Speaker 1: I showed some dance moves. Maybe I just I quit
Speaker 1: this football thing and you know, just go tap dancing
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: I don't get in the top twenty first. And then
Speaker 2: it all right, Cavin Jordan, thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys having me on.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: All right, there it goes Cam. We'll take a break
Speaker 3: and we'll be right back right welcome back. It is time.
Speaker 3: It is time to pick the game. That game being
Speaker 3: Super Bowl fifty eight, and let's go around the horn.
Speaker 3: Let's pick the game. And then while we're here, as
Speaker 3: per tradition, please share your sangwage prop for Super Bowl
Speaker 3: fifty eight. We'll each have one. We should be hanging
Speaker 3: some onion here, right. I think we all know we should.
Speaker 3: It's a super Bowl, so Mark, get us going houses.
Speaker 3: And I think here is two things on the line
Speaker 3: here with you. Mark, I just thinking about this, as
Speaker 3: we learned yesterday, you did predict Niners Chiefs back in September.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call it a daring prediction, but I yes,
Speaker 3: and you deserve credit for that, Yes, so much credit.
Speaker 3: We have another situation going on as well. Unless I'm mistaken,
Speaker 3: do you have a win yet in the picks in
Speaker 3: the playoffs, because this could be history.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've won since like November.
Speaker 3: I think I think you are winless in your picks
Speaker 3: so far in the playoffs and the locks. So obviously
Speaker 3: this is also our final lock of the week, lock
Speaker 3: of the season. Second half standings on the line, Greg,
Speaker 3: A lot on the line in this game.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's on the line anymore. You blew it.
Speaker 3: I didn't blow anything. You lost last time, So that
Speaker 3: means your one game up with want to play?
Speaker 5: Okay, you could tie in the site and I also
Speaker 5: believe in my situation.
Speaker 2: And also I have the extra first place vote it
Speaker 2: would go to me.
Speaker 5: Yes, there's an inglorious aspect to my situation that I
Speaker 5: believe I'm notched at nine wins and you need to
Speaker 5: get I was told that no one has ever finished
Speaker 5: with only nine wins.
Speaker 2: All right, so there's a lot on the line. Let's
Speaker 2: see what you got, Mark, all right.
Speaker 5: So I so this is what I predicted way back
Speaker 5: when forty nine Ers twenty eight, Chiefs twenty four. But
Speaker 5: I want to explain how this game ends. Yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 5: because the Chiefs, you know, they've not allowed thirty one points.
Speaker 5: All yeah, it's all these like their defense has been
Speaker 5: so tight. Kyle Shanahan's this is what I wrote for
Speaker 5: Endon for dot Com. Kyle Shanahan's winding quest to lift
Speaker 5: the Lombardi crescendos on a February night in Las Vegas
Speaker 5: is Brock Purty tilts Kansas City's defense for three scores
Speaker 5: and four hundred plus yards. The play of the game, though,
Speaker 5: is San Francisco's seventy seven yard pick six of Patrick
Speaker 5: Mahomes that seals the deal with seconds to go in
Speaker 5: the final frame.
Speaker 2: Right. I love that. I love it.
Speaker 3: Mark, You are always looking to ring it on the
Speaker 3: old horseshoe there, and that's that's a needle to thread.
Speaker 2: But I believe in you.
Speaker 4: I like I also like we're not all agreeing and
Speaker 4: I'm picking the Chiefs, so I like we're on different sides.
Speaker 4: I'm locking up the Chiefs. Twenty seven to twenties my score,
Speaker 4: it's just under that number. I do think it's going
Speaker 4: to be more of a running and a little bit
Speaker 4: of defense games a little under that that over under.
Speaker 2: You know, they're a dynasty.
Speaker 4: Some would say my locks title, staying at home in
Speaker 4: Santa Monica is a bit of a dynasty. It actually
Speaker 4: started this four four lock trophies in five year run
Speaker 4: by picking the Chiefs over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go back to the to the people
Speaker 4: that helped me get there. And sometimes we talked earlier
Speaker 4: in the week about Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 4: the journey that they've been on into becoming all time greats,
Speaker 4: and sometimes that's all it is, is just elevating at
Speaker 4: the big moments in the season. Travis Kelcey was four
Speaker 4: for thirteen on contested catches in that game against the Ravens,
Speaker 4: three for three mvs like you might.
Speaker 2: Not think it was one of the great players.
Speaker 4: Three for fourteen all year and plus twenty air yard
Speaker 4: type throws, three for four in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: They're just they're just playing better.
Speaker 4: Look at the teams they beat to beat, to beat
Speaker 4: the Dolphins and to beat the Bills and the Ravens
Speaker 4: in a row, that's a murderers row.
Speaker 2: Let's come though. Okay, Dolphins is a tough you know,
Speaker 2: the offense. I think the way that the defense bridget
Speaker 2: temperature is it's totally fair. But they won that game easily.
Speaker 4: That competition they've been beating, to me, has been more
Speaker 4: impressive than the Niners sneaking by. So I do like
Speaker 4: the Chiefs to really put the dot on this dynasty
Speaker 4: get their third title. Good game twenty seven to twenty.
Speaker 4: But the forty nine ers, to me, they feel like
Speaker 4: supporting players in someone else's story.
Speaker 2: All Right, So.
Speaker 3: I'm annoyed now because I can't go against how I feel,
Speaker 3: and it's gonna cost me the second half title.
Speaker 2: But I'll live with that second half co title.
Speaker 3: Greg, We're always you know, well, I had that extra
Speaker 3: first place vote, but it's gonna be It's gonna show
Speaker 3: once again at the level of integrity that I operate
Speaker 3: on at all times. I'm not going to change just
Speaker 3: because Greg went chalk as he always does.
Speaker 2: They're literally the underdogs for what it's worth. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're too stranibout.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows how you do your things, Okay, so congratulations
Speaker 3: on your titles, you know whatever. Okay, I do like
Speaker 3: the Chiefs here, and I got burned like so many
Speaker 3: other people picking against them.
Speaker 2: Me too, by the way, I been wrong in the.
Speaker 3: AFC title game. I thought it finally was Lamar's year.
Speaker 3: I thought Baltimore was the better team. And I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say it again here. I think the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: as they are presently constituted, their best game, I think
Speaker 3: is better than the Chief's best game the way their
Speaker 3: roster is constituted.
Speaker 2: And if Brock.
Speaker 3: Perdy, for instance, came out, came into this game sharp,
Speaker 3: and he was hitting throws, and you get McCaffrey making plays,
Speaker 3: and you have all this talent that San Francisco is
Speaker 3: on offense, if their defense can just play a B game,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be okay. Because Kansas City has shown, even
Speaker 3: during this great run in the playoffs, that they're not
Speaker 3: an explosive offense. They're still not one, even though they've
Speaker 3: had better success than they were having in the during
Speaker 3: a very difficult regular season.
Speaker 2: However, I just can't do it.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be the guy that goes against Mahomes
Speaker 3: in this spot. I think he's gonna find a way.
Speaker 3: So I'm also and this this was already here, Greg,
Speaker 3: I also have twenty seven to twenty. So we have
Speaker 3: the same pick, the same score. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: I wrote on NFL dot Com that I thought Mahomes
Speaker 3: wins another MVP, but it's going to be the SPACs
Speaker 3: defense that makes plays that are memorable. The more I
Speaker 3: think about it, as I spin now to my Sangwich
Speaker 3: prop and we'll come back that starting on my side.
Speaker 3: With that, I think there will be an element. So
Speaker 3: one of the offense having a big day.
Speaker 2: And one of the.
Speaker 3: Most maddening dumb storylines around this NFL season and our world,
Speaker 3: emanating out of certain corners of news media, is that
Speaker 3: the NFL is fixed, that the NFL is somehow this
Speaker 3: has been preordained, and specifically, the corporate synergy on display
Speaker 3: between Taylor and Travis is a sign that the NFL
Speaker 3: would wield the chiefs to this spot. We'll get your
Speaker 3: popcorn ready. People that love that can conspiracy theory, because
Speaker 3: I think Kelsey is going to have a monster game here.
Speaker 3: My Sangwich prop is that Kelsey becomes the first player
Speaker 3: in Super Bowl history to surpass two hundred yards receiving
Speaker 3: in a game since Jerry Rice went off for two
Speaker 3: fifteen and twenty three.
Speaker 2: Wow, super Bowl twenty three. That is That is my lock.
Speaker 2: Kelsey goes for two.
Speaker 3: Hundred tailored down on the field, sparks flying, and everyone
Speaker 3: is mad.
Speaker 2: That's my thing. Everyone, well, sod everybody. We won't start mad.
Speaker 2: People will be big mad.
Speaker 4: I'm happy they're happy. It seems like a beautiful relationship.
Speaker 4: I think they're in it to win it for the
Speaker 4: long run. That's I don't know. If I could put
Speaker 4: a sandwich prop on their marriage at some point, that'd
Speaker 4: be very long term. But I I like those odds.
Speaker 4: But I like the under two hundred yards even more.
Speaker 2: I mean, they got a hang onion, bro. That's more
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. That's more than hanging. That's that's out there.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful, and I relish how the hordes of people
Speaker 3: are just looking past the forty nine ers because of
Speaker 3: a two week sample size from the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2: They're kidding, it's a very even in terms of happy
Speaker 2: I think their favorites amazing.
Speaker 5: People just think that the Kansas City Chiefs are back entirely.
Speaker 5: It's like the larger like sample size tells us that
Speaker 5: they were going to regress back to gaffes, drops, some issues,
Speaker 5: some problems and having to be that.
Speaker 2: Often, just like I thought that was gonna happen in
Speaker 2: the playoffs. But that's a.
Speaker 4: Straw man argument because literally favorites and in terms of
Speaker 4: Vegas like the the this you know what they would say,
Speaker 4: the sharps, all the.
Speaker 2: Money is coming in on the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5: It's not a straw man in the sense that there
Speaker 5: has been a wave of support for the Chiefs that
Speaker 5: was simply not there two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: It's based on a two.
Speaker 5: Weeks sample size and it's not, you know, false or
Speaker 5: a ghost, but.
Speaker 2: But it's not. I think people are looking past the
Speaker 2: niners in the city. It's like a five year sample size,
Speaker 2: that's all. And then I'm turning out the flipping the switch.
Speaker 5: So we were talking about the Chiefs a certain way
Speaker 5: for eighteen weeks, yes, and now we're talking about them differently.
Speaker 2: For three weeks it's a different Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well that's but that's that's a presumption that that's exactly
Speaker 5: who they are from here on that.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm with you. It's always very difficult in
Speaker 4: the playoffs, which deew balance more. And that connects with
Speaker 4: my sandwich proplem. I'm going Isaiah Pichecko is going over
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty yards from scrimmage in this game
Speaker 4: because I am waiting what I've seen the last handful
Speaker 4: of weeks from the forty nine ers defense. I think
Speaker 4: they're what sticks out most in this game that they
Speaker 4: have not been up for the challenge. I don't care
Speaker 4: about the effort thing. That's like two plays essentially in
Speaker 4: two players in very specific places. It's just that they're
Speaker 4: been mediocre. They've been mediocre in the biggest of spots.
Speaker 4: They should have lost that Packers game. They were really
Speaker 4: outplayed in that game. They didn't play well in the
Speaker 4: Detroit game and got bailed out. The defense of the
Speaker 4: forty nine Ers is the only reason I don't think
Speaker 4: they win this game, and so I'm going to checko
Speaker 4: over one hundred and fifty yards from scrimmage.
Speaker 2: Oh you've been talking about that all right? How about you? Mark?
Speaker 2: Are we where are you taking that? Are you taking that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't take that.
Speaker 2: Took you take it?
Speaker 5: I thought that was for all the time that we
Speaker 5: call certain things onion hangers in terms of a game situation.
Speaker 3: That's a huge one right now. Man, I'm probably doomed,
Speaker 3: but that's a huge one. If it like, will you
Speaker 3: guys buy me a sangwich? If he goes for one
Speaker 3: to eighty four, well then just lower the number of them.
Speaker 3: Not bro, I'm going for I think it's a nice
Speaker 3: round number. Yeah, give me two hundred first and stare.
Speaker 3: I'll take yours too. I think that yours is more probable.
Speaker 3: If like everything went right for the the Chiefs, you.
Speaker 2: Could break off an eighty yard or at some point
Speaker 2: you know, you.
Speaker 4: Know, still would be certainly longer long odds in terms
Speaker 4: of you know, it'd be like plus three hundred or something.
Speaker 3: I will take you up on it, but it's certainly
Speaker 3: within the range of outcomes.
Speaker 2: That's the other part. Mark.
Speaker 3: San Francisco's defense certainly could could be exposed in this game.
Speaker 5: That's true, but I would say their defensive woes are
Speaker 5: also more recent than the longer sample size. But I'm
Speaker 5: not big on their defense. But they gave up sixty
Speaker 5: what matters the most. It is, But I'm just saying
Speaker 5: like that they gave like in two playoff games, they
Speaker 5: gave up like sixty seven more yards on the ground
Speaker 5: than they had at any like average wise in the season.
Speaker 5: So and I honestly think that the come to Jesus
Speaker 5: talk from Wilke's like, yeah, does matter.
Speaker 2: Like they lost the pride a little bit.
Speaker 4: I'm usually with you, Mark, I'm usually the numbers over
Speaker 4: the season matter more. I look that the forty nine
Speaker 4: ers are favored. You just can't sell me on the
Speaker 4: no one believes in them argument. They're literally favored. I mean,
Speaker 4: and it's a coin flip. But I actually think you're
Speaker 4: making good points and if you're crow, if you're peacocking
Speaker 4: at the end of Sunday, it wouldn't surprise me, Like
Speaker 4: this is game, not much would surprise me.
Speaker 2: And I think the forty nine ers, I agree with
Speaker 2: you too, that their best.
Speaker 5: Game is the other thing that that doesn't matter is
Speaker 5: everything that came before this game. If I beat the
Speaker 5: both of you in this lot, that's all that anyone
Speaker 5: will remember. I'll give you that you want the trophy,
Speaker 5: I will. I will purchase my trophy if I'd vote
Speaker 5: for me. I vote for you too, Erica, vote too,
Speaker 5: Eric for one game? How many weeks have we had?
Speaker 5: I think I'm I think I'm seventeen and four. Right, Well,
Speaker 5: that that's might be a record.
Speaker 3: That might be a r by the way, I buy
Speaker 3: into hashtag effort gait. I don't even know if some
Speaker 3: of the Niners defenders are going to show up for
Speaker 3: the game like I do not.
Speaker 2: I'm lazy. I'm laying on the couch. We didn't get
Speaker 2: your sandwich.
Speaker 5: Prap all right, So I'm gonna do a very mean
Speaker 5: thing because I got a I got it like a
Speaker 5: symbol from the sky. Earlier this week that in Las
Speaker 5: Vegas this week, a player was bit by a coyote.
Speaker 2: According to some reports.
Speaker 5: Okay, a lot of people reaching out about right, and
Speaker 5: I that's something that I said would happen a while back.
Speaker 2: I often say things that will happen, and they happen,
Speaker 2: you know, down to that a player would lose.
Speaker 5: I believe it was a player would lose like some
Speaker 5: playing time by being bitten by an animal.
Speaker 2: Now this in this case, it's a little bit off.
Speaker 2: It's a little too specific.
Speaker 5: I'm accepting that he probably did say that. Well, people
Speaker 5: are reaching out to me and saying this is true. Well, listen,
Speaker 5: I understand how this works with you guys. But it's
Speaker 5: been too quiet in Las Vegas. It's been far too quiet.
Speaker 2: Like this city. It's Friday.
Speaker 5: All of this business, this nonsense, this like look at
Speaker 5: look at me business is about to shut down, and
Speaker 5: it's about to become an explosion of human non virtue
Speaker 5: and problems and bad choices and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 5: And I am telling you I'm not I just think
Speaker 5: this energy will feed out to the entire NFL sphere.
Speaker 5: Uh huh, that between now and the end of the
Speaker 5: game what I would call a far reaching NFL story.
Speaker 5: You know, when we get those, it's like Whenie when
Speaker 5: Boundegate started, it's like, oh, you know, we're going to
Speaker 5: be reporting on this for the next three or four months.
Speaker 5: I'm not talking like two weeks or one week, and
Speaker 5: then it disappears. It's like this is gonna go deep
Speaker 5: and gonna go long. And wide in terms of like
Speaker 5: a story, a far reaching NFL story that lasts for
Speaker 5: months will hatch before the game ends.
Speaker 3: Oh, but it can only be within the confines of
Speaker 3: the four quarters.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, no, the minute I said this and the
Speaker 2: end of the game. What if something has already happened,
Speaker 2: it just hasn't been reported yet. I think that would qualify.
Speaker 2: I mean, it happened, not if it happened in September.
Speaker 4: But if it happen, does it have to be reported
Speaker 4: by Sunday Night?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, No, I would I would say the bet has
Speaker 3: to close. Well, wager's got a close on the Sunday Show.
Speaker 5: In spirit, I would think that it would have to
Speaker 5: happen that we know about it by the end of
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 2: I'll go with that because I think otherwise neither or.
Speaker 3: By the end by the time we get to this
Speaker 3: in the podcast late Sunday Night, which IST's coming out?
Speaker 2: Stuff's coming out? Okay? And I think when I.
Speaker 5: Say far reaching NFL story, I think we can agree
Speaker 5: on one that if we were back on the on
Speaker 5: the news desk, you'd be thinking headache, headache, headache, for
Speaker 5: weeks months to come.
Speaker 3: I had something similar cooked up. So that's why I'm
Speaker 3: not going to take you on it, because I too
Speaker 3: believe something's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But would you not take that? I really I have.
Speaker 3: A feeling that's the worst movie. Something newsworthy.
Speaker 2: We'll move the needle, and yes, isn't it too hushed?
Speaker 2: It's too hushed? Right?
Speaker 4: The forty nine ers having another alarm clock wake them
Speaker 4: up fifteen minutes early does not qualify.
Speaker 2: It has to be massive. So I will take you.
Speaker 10: Up on this.
Speaker 3: Cam Newton's walking behind us with a cigar, saying, you
Speaker 3: can't do that. What is this nineteen eighty six?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: They're smoking in our hotel all over the place?
Speaker 8: Are that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I walked down up it is Vegas. Yeah, I walked
Speaker 3: out of the hotel number two.
Speaker 5: It's the last more horse smoking smoking men's cigarettes.
Speaker 3: All right, there you go. Those are our super Bowl predictions.
Speaker 3: Those are our sandwich props. I stand with you on
Speaker 3: that one, Mark.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad that you do, because I think that
Speaker 2: that s the just legitimacy.
Speaker 3: All right, let's uh, let's take a break, and then
Speaker 3: we will welcome in certain members of a certain team
Speaker 3: of a certain podcast up next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard it.
Speaker 3: Our guests now joining us from the Minnesota Vikings, Kirk
Speaker 3: Cousins and kJ Osbourne. Welcome to around the NFL, fellas,
Speaker 3: And there's the chant. Can you can you picture? It's
Speaker 3: almost your back. I can feel it inside the building.
Speaker 3: I can feel it. This is the best entro yeah,
Speaker 3: best stadium right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they hit a home run with it. Really well done, Pirk. Heyja,
Speaker 2: tell us what you're doing here with bounty. Let's get
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 7: Well, you know you can't have We've had some wings
Speaker 7: that we've set up at these different stations, and you
Speaker 7: really can't have wings without having Bounty paper towels. So
Speaker 7: uh so we're really you know, I understand a lot
Speaker 7: of people on Sunday watch the Super Bowl gonna have wings.
Speaker 7: They're gonna have parties and have all kinds of good food.
Speaker 7: To make sure you don't forget about the Bounty paper towels,
Speaker 7: because I've hosted some parties through college through the years
Speaker 7: where I forgot the paper towels and problem, so.
Speaker 9: You can't you can't have football with our wings.
Speaker 2: What if somebody brings the wrong paper towels, you just
Speaker 2: kick them out of the party. Oh yeah, for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he has to be bounty.
Speaker 9: It's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna I've.
Speaker 2: Always felt that. I agree.
Speaker 3: Howse little here's a little This start eleven season at
Speaker 3: ATEN and every year we pick a team of around
Speaker 3: the NFL. This year we picked the Vikings and it
Speaker 3: was after Kirk's injury and we we kind of said,
Speaker 3: let's get behind this as an underdog story didn't quite
Speaker 3: work out, but you we had your backs all season long.
Speaker 3: We want you guys to know that.
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 3: What's going on with the with the Achilles. Let's I
Speaker 3: know you've been asked that seven thousand times. Where are
Speaker 3: you at?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'm three months in, probably got about four
Speaker 7: months to go. I'm hoping I can get back. I
Speaker 7: expect to be able to get back for seven on
Speaker 7: seven and OTAs because you're you know, you're safe there.
Speaker 7: You're just taking your drop back with nobody around you
Speaker 7: making the throws. I'm hoping to be able to do
Speaker 7: team drills too. But we'll cross that bridge and we
Speaker 7: get there and then go into the summer break fully cleared,
Speaker 7: fully healthy. But the first three months has been a
Speaker 7: positive experience. I was nervous because I haven't had surgery before,
Speaker 7: I haven't had big rehab. But uh, you know, the
Speaker 7: surgery coming out with the cast and the scooter and
Speaker 7: then the walking boot and now you know, getting back
Speaker 7: in a shoe. It's been a real positive process. The
Speaker 7: Vikings training STAB has been outstanding and it's been a
Speaker 7: good first three months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kjuh.
Speaker 4: You know, I know at this point in the season
Speaker 4: when we chose you as a team of around the
Speaker 4: NFL podcast, clearly it made big We just blew out
Speaker 4: everyone's ears.
Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, No, that was awesome. I like, I am
Speaker 2: so excited that it happened. Eric, You're fired. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Uh, the team of at and you know, I'm sure
Speaker 4: that was big news in the locker room, you guys
Speaker 4: talking about it. We were now an international award winning podcast.
Speaker 4: How did how did that feel to be embraced by
Speaker 4: by the podcast with Josh Dobbs and all the different
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that kind of went through there.
Speaker 1: Oh, we love it.
Speaker 9: We love any any any love we get, man, we
Speaker 9: love it.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.
Speaker 9: And uh, you know, we got a great fan base
Speaker 9: up there in Minnesota, so they show us a ton
Speaker 9: of love as well.
Speaker 4: What was that like that that end stretch of the
Speaker 4: season which had some awesome ups, it had downs, It
Speaker 4: had a little bit of everything throughout that stretch and
Speaker 4: you're without your leader, Kirk, but you have different quarterbacks
Speaker 4: who come in and all sort of had their moments.
Speaker 2: And then like, what was that whole season like?
Speaker 4: Because it feels like the Vikings are always a lot
Speaker 4: like no matter what, there's a lot going on, Like
Speaker 4: it's a fun team to watch, like the ups and
Speaker 4: the and a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of the downs.
Speaker 9: Yeah, man, it was a lot of ups and downs.
Speaker 9: But you know, whoever coach puts in there, that's what
Speaker 9: we're gonna rally around. And one of the things in
Speaker 9: the receiver room we say, we try to be wide open,
Speaker 9: you know, so try to make the job easier for
Speaker 9: the quarterback man for you know, we talked about the
Speaker 9: forty seconds that before the play clock that you know,
Speaker 9: you guys don't hear on TV and everything like that,
Speaker 9: and the pre snaps and the motions and everything like that.
Speaker 9: If we are up on our game as receivers, you know,
Speaker 9: we can help the quarterback out. And again, just being
Speaker 9: wide open for him, and you know, any guy that
Speaker 9: coach puts in and there we're gonna trust him.
Speaker 3: Kirk, can we talk a little carcassance? I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've heard that thrown.
Speaker 7: Around, heard that thrown out?
Speaker 2: So I really think obviously is a well known thing.
Speaker 3: A year agoing onnors you came out as Kirk O
Speaker 3: chains and the famous team playing moment. I really feel like,
Speaker 3: and tell me if you agree or disagree from our standpoint.
Speaker 3: On the outside, it was like a turning point in
Speaker 3: how Kirk Cousins was seen. Like it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: these guys love playing with him. Uh, You've always been
Speaker 3: a well known as a good guy and a productive player,
Speaker 3: But did you feel like a change from the outside
Speaker 3: a little how you're seeing after that kind of took
Speaker 3: off a little bit.
Speaker 2: That was interesting.
Speaker 7: If I had known that, I probably would have been
Speaker 7: on a playing shirt list of chains On in like
Speaker 7: year two or three. But it took till year eleven
Speaker 7: to figure that out. So I know it certainly has
Speaker 7: has created a bit of a change. I think I've
Speaker 7: always been the same guy, but perception was probably different
Speaker 7: than reality, and perceptions maybe catching up to reality a
Speaker 7: little in some ways. And so that's kind of where
Speaker 7: we stand now.
Speaker 4: kJ like doing Kirk as his teammate and as you know,
Speaker 4: the leader in your huddle. Did y'all watch the Netflix
Speaker 4: show and like, was there anything from it? You guys
Speaker 4: gave him some grief about from the Netflix show.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people I loving that show.
Speaker 1: I love kirkt it.
Speaker 9: I loved it, you know a lot of I got
Speaker 9: a lot of feedback from trying to.
Speaker 7: Keep a secret during the season. So we were trying
Speaker 7: to be low key. We didn't want to be distractions.
Speaker 7: So if anything, the grief I got was, we.
Speaker 2: Don't even know.
Speaker 9: You didn't tell you didn't tell us, We didn't know.
Speaker 9: You know, it was a little fishy because you know,
Speaker 9: there was always cameras up at practice. I'm like, that's
Speaker 9: not the team. I'm like, somebody's miked up every day,
Speaker 9: but nobody you know, usually that stuff gets out. But
Speaker 9: it was it was a good secret. It was a
Speaker 9: good secret.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was such a great look. And I think
Speaker 3: maybe that also played into the circussants a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, and just seeing like the dedication it
Speaker 3: takes and after the season ended in the in the playoffs,
Speaker 3: like you know, you're getting up early and spending the
Speaker 3: time with the family. That I mean, it's it's I
Speaker 3: think it's good for people that haven't played the game.
Speaker 2: Too to see like the human side. That show was
Speaker 2: such a great job.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was the fun of it was that we
Speaker 7: do cover a lot of the football. Maybe this show
Speaker 7: can cover the football. And and I think the and
Speaker 7: was what was so fun.
Speaker 4: About it, right, I like, my kid loves that and
Speaker 4: he has like an hour of TV he gets to
Speaker 4: watch a day, and he's choosing to watch that show,
Speaker 4: which kind of boggles my mind.
Speaker 2: So he forces a child to watch football content.
Speaker 4: Kids the same way, right, Like I've seen the ex
Speaker 4: players at NFL Network how they train their kids to
Speaker 4: become NFL players.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen with my body him to be
Speaker 2: to be a podcast.
Speaker 7: There you go.
Speaker 2: Now, you guys are here at you know, as teammates.
Speaker 4: Uh, your futures are are somewhat up in the area
Speaker 4: going into Have you ever thought kJ of seeing what
Speaker 4: Kirk's done as a businessman in his career.
Speaker 2: He's gotten it done.
Speaker 4: Maybe you combine forces, combine the leverage, you're stronger together
Speaker 4: as a free agent tandem just the thought.
Speaker 7: I've never even thought of that, Like, go to free
Speaker 7: agency as a as a group, as as.
Speaker 2: Like a team, not as a friends. Guy, did you
Speaker 2: watch Friends? Friends is a little bit ahead of my time.
Speaker 7: I never really resonated with so you totally mispegged me there,
Speaker 7: I'm not a friend.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry and apologize. It's a bad job by me.
Speaker 3: But they had an ingenious move where the six main
Speaker 3: cast members negotiated together and they did we get the
Speaker 3: same amount of money?
Speaker 2: We go to the same place and work out.
Speaker 7: It was a record setting show. Maybe we try the
Speaker 7: same thing. I would not be against if I had
Speaker 7: to pick someone to team up with to do that,
Speaker 7: the guy to my right would be someone I would pick.
Speaker 2: So, uh, it's a good idea.
Speaker 4: How does it feel like this? This time of year
Speaker 4: is just an awkward time?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 4: It's a good word when you're a little in between
Speaker 4: for both of you. Just I guess, how are you feeling?
Speaker 4: What are you thinking going into it as free agents?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we said March is the month, and we're in
Speaker 7: February and the season at of January seventh, so you
Speaker 7: really have two months of no news and you're not
Speaker 7: supposed to have news.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of a waiting game, and that's okay.
Speaker 7: So you have a lot of people asking about it
Speaker 7: when you run into them in town and they want
Speaker 7: to all the.
Speaker 2: Updates, and I say, I don't have any updates.
Speaker 7: I'll let you know our seventh days ninth, that's when
Speaker 7: things will start to eat up. Until then, there's no
Speaker 7: reason to have news because you really shouldn't for short.
Speaker 9: Just this is my first time doing it, so I'm
Speaker 9: going through it. I'm learning and I'm asking my as
Speaker 9: I'm asking guys, you know it gotta be something you hear,
Speaker 9: gotta be you know something. And I'm finding out the
Speaker 9: same way as Kirk are saying, you know, it just
Speaker 9: doesn't happen until it happens.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll say, and we're gonna let you guys go
Speaker 3: because we know you're busy. But I've always had I
Speaker 3: grew up a Jets fan. I wanted you to sign
Speaker 3: with Jet a few years back then it happened, But
Speaker 3: the uh you, I feel like you found a home
Speaker 3: in Minnesota. You guys have great chemistry as teammates. Well,
Speaker 3: let's run it back, stay in Minnesota. We don't need
Speaker 3: but get paid do the friends thing get paid? All right,
Speaker 3: thanks guys, we appreciate it. All right, There goes Kirk
Speaker 3: and kJ and and Mark back in the picture. We
Speaker 3: should have mentioned that Mark stepped out because we you know,
Speaker 3: not a lot of mics and marketinged a blow.
Speaker 4: It was a little weird that Mark is still so
Speaker 4: anti Minnesota Vikings from what happened with Team of around
Speaker 4: the end of the walk off.
Speaker 2: He refused to interview. But it's nice to welcome you back.
Speaker 5: Well, it's uh, you know, I I feel like I
Speaker 5: could tell that I was missed. It's really evident, like
Speaker 5: it was just more talk space for the two of you,
Speaker 5: and so fine, have a nice time.
Speaker 2: With it, all right.
Speaker 3: So Mark is back though, because we have one more guest,
Speaker 3: and this is I mean, this is a little pop
Speaker 3: for this guest that it's the final guest of super
Speaker 3: Bowl Week at Radio Row. That shows how much we
Speaker 3: care and love Nicky Glazers.
Speaker 2: The Great Friday is.
Speaker 3: Glazer, who is a tremendously talented, uh stand up comedian
Speaker 3: and host.
Speaker 2: And you're doing all podcast hosts.
Speaker 3: You have your own podcast that is emanating out of
Speaker 3: this very spot.
Speaker 2: Right after we finish up. You're Also, you're gonna be
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. I can't wait. And uh, you're touring
Speaker 3: relentlessly making that gwop. So check out Nicky's tour dates
Speaker 3: on table side Gap, yep uh wherever and all the socials.
Speaker 3: Nicki Glazer, welcome to around the NFL.
Speaker 11: Thank you so much for having me. It's an honor
Speaker 11: to be here.
Speaker 2: This is like, I'm a weird thing.
Speaker 3: We go way back, we go way back, and Nicky
Speaker 3: and I, I remember.
Speaker 2: It's not weird for Mark and I It's pretty normal. No,
Speaker 2: But I want to know. I want to know more.
Speaker 3: So way back in like two thousand and eight, when
Speaker 3: Nicky was first like fresh from Saint Louis and college,
Speaker 3: and I was coming to LA to work with our
Speaker 3: buddies Bob and Jason Zumwaldt, and they were doing these
Speaker 3: videos and doing great stuff, and Nicky was a fan
Speaker 3: as well of the work they were doing for the
Speaker 3: Post show.
Speaker 2: Y was well your friend, Bob.
Speaker 10: I was drunk in college one night and I was
Speaker 10: a big fan of Best Week Ever. Bob worked on
Speaker 10: Best Week Ever. I followed the Best Week Ever blog
Speaker 10: on VH one. Bob did the blog. He had also
Speaker 10: posted his aim screen name on the blog, and because
Speaker 10: I was a super fan, I was like, I'll just
Speaker 10: add him to my buddy list. So one night in college,
Speaker 10: I came back to my dorm. I was a little drunk,
Speaker 10: and I was like, he's on I'll just like, you know,
Speaker 10: instant message him back in the you know, I heard
Speaker 10: the like the door open and then uh. And then
Speaker 10: I became friends with him from just aiming him once
Speaker 10: and then he put me in some of the sketches
Speaker 10: when I went to New York. Probably was trying to
Speaker 10: make something happen romantically.
Speaker 2: Never did, Bob. I don't know how you resisted, Bob.
Speaker 11: There was a.
Speaker 10: Rooftop moment where I think we could have kissed. But
Speaker 10: I really like I have a way of putting up
Speaker 10: a wall that lets people know, like, don't even try.
Speaker 2: To keep their dignity. Yes.
Speaker 11: Yeah, It's just.
Speaker 10: Like I have friends who get hit on all the
Speaker 10: time where I'll just be with them and guys will
Speaker 10: just be like, hey, you're gonna finish all that salad?
Speaker 10: Like They'll just guys will just say something. But like
Speaker 10: or like I was walking with my friend in the
Speaker 10: park and some guy was just like, hey, do you dance?
Speaker 10: And he's leaning against this motorcycle and he just us
Speaker 10: twenty feet away.
Speaker 11: It goes, do you dance? And he's not talking to me?
Speaker 10: And I go, do people just ask you if you like?
Speaker 10: And then she's like, that's oh my god, no I don't.
Speaker 10: I go, don't stop talking to us, sir. So I
Speaker 10: think I put up a wall with people, and.
Speaker 2: Especially though it's a skill, like a friend.
Speaker 10: Zone thing, because I just I like being friends with
Speaker 10: men and I don't want a weird thing to get
Speaker 10: in the way of that until I choose.
Speaker 5: I'm taking notes at the moment just about the tree
Speaker 5: thing and the leaning to learn tree don't just leaning.
Speaker 2: I put up a similar wall.
Speaker 4: That's why I really haven't gotten much attention from the
Speaker 4: ladies this week.
Speaker 2: But it's just obvious the one no one's ever asked
Speaker 2: me to dance in the park, and I know it
Speaker 2: all connects.
Speaker 10: Yes, no one asked me either. I have to explore
Speaker 10: it and go why am I not going?
Speaker 3: And I wrote you had a Comedy Central show that
Speaker 3: Bob was a head writer on, like, so we're all connected,
Speaker 3: And well I was in that world working with the
Speaker 3: guys in two thousand and eight and we became friends,
Speaker 3: and I remember like, because I was broke, you were
Speaker 3: broke to i'd imagine at the time. And I remember
Speaker 3: taking our buddy Brian's car and I would drive you
Speaker 3: to like stand up sets occasionally, and it would be
Speaker 3: so it's kind of town.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a uh, this is a moment, Hollywood.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: This is a full circle moment. It's so great to
Speaker 3: have you here. And I need the reason why it
Speaker 3: was perfect. It was a lot of reasons why it
Speaker 3: was playing. I don't know, but I.
Speaker 11: Love having you.
Speaker 4: Guys are literally in between you that you know, two
Speaker 4: of the greatest football minds.
Speaker 3: And the reason I thought it would be a lot
Speaker 3: of fun is number One, you are a big Taylor
Speaker 3: Swift fan.
Speaker 11: That's where I feel I do belong here.
Speaker 10: Otherwise I would feel like such a fraud and I
Speaker 10: would be really embarrassed to be here because I don't
Speaker 10: like being places I don't belong and I feel because
Speaker 10: of my Tailor Swift knowledge, even though most people would
Speaker 10: disagree with that, I do feel like this is the
Speaker 10: only year in which I belong to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I remember when we got to know
Speaker 3: each other because I've always been a sports guy, like
Speaker 3: you were very kind of anti sports, like to keep
Speaker 3: the sports away from me, and because.
Speaker 10: I'm scared of what I don't understand. It's not it's
Speaker 10: not because I I hate what I don't know, and
Speaker 10: I don't I don't seem to really understand football, and
Speaker 10: it's been explaining to me many times. I'm I'm starting
Speaker 10: to understand it, but I just don't understand how millions
Speaker 10: of people understand this very complicated game like second nature.
Speaker 10: There's no like training you guys go through. I always
Speaker 10: ask my friends, like, so where did you learn that?
Speaker 8: That is?
Speaker 11: What did you When did you learn what off sides were? Whatever?
Speaker 11: Like these, like did you ask your dad? Was there
Speaker 11: a course in school?
Speaker 10: Like you guys start playing football as little kids, Like
Speaker 10: do they explain all the little intricacies of it?
Speaker 2: Like how do you look?
Speaker 3: It's a daunting sport to kind of jump into the water.
Speaker 2: Video games, video games?
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, but so here's a here's a data point.
Speaker 3: So Deshriver mentioned a report from Apex Marketing Group that
Speaker 3: estimated more than three hundred and thirty million in brand value.
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift is brought to the NFL and the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: I don't know what really any of that means, but
Speaker 3: I do know that Swift and the NFL is on
Speaker 3: people's radar because it is these two massive giants of
Speaker 3: culture and you are someone now you're watching the games, like,
Speaker 3: are you amongst the like maybe millions of people that
Speaker 3: are now watching football for the first time?
Speaker 2: Would you want to you to watch it if she
Speaker 2: wasn't in Yeah, I.
Speaker 11: Think so well, because it also lined up.
Speaker 10: The time when Taylor Smith started going to games was
Speaker 10: also when my boyfriend moved in with me, and he's
Speaker 10: a huge football fan and watches most of it, and
Speaker 10: so that was when it just started being on all
Speaker 10: the time. So just to enjoy being around that, I
Speaker 10: had to start like understanding it. So I think that
Speaker 10: he was gone watching a game recently and I turned
Speaker 10: on the game and Taylor wasn't even there because I
Speaker 10: did care, and I felt so cool because for the
Speaker 10: first time in life, I was on the phone with
Speaker 10: a friend who was going through a breakup and I'm
Speaker 10: like talking to him on speakerphone, I have the game
Speaker 10: on mute, and I felt so cool because at one
Speaker 10: point he's crying out something. I go no, and I
Speaker 10: did the thing that men do where they react and
Speaker 10: then the person on the phone goes what's going on
Speaker 10: and you go, oh, I'm just I can't believe she
Speaker 10: said that to you or texted you that. I felt
Speaker 10: so cool that I had like a man moment where
Speaker 10: you react to and not just men, but like mostly
Speaker 10: react to something that happened. And I understood what was happening.
Speaker 10: It's like it's been an education, but it's one hundred
Speaker 10: percent based on Taylor Swift. And I will say that,
Speaker 10: you know, I'm one of these people that has an
Speaker 10: unhealthy relationship in my mind with her, of like she's like.
Speaker 11: My friend or whatever.
Speaker 10: And I know that discuss some people and confounds people
Speaker 10: as well, but it's it truly is a thing. Like
Speaker 10: when she won last week at the Grammys, I felt
Speaker 10: this like, oh, it's like my friend is winning.
Speaker 11: Like I felt that kind of joy and I thought.
Speaker 2: That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 11: How she's not my friend. I don't know her. Why
Speaker 11: do I feel this? Is that really how I feel?
Speaker 10: And then I go, actually, I've had friends when Emmy's
Speaker 10: and it's the exact same feeling that I had, So
Speaker 10: I do I do feel like she's my friend. And
Speaker 10: so when she first started dating Travis, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, the Travis just like your first name basis
Speaker 2: with him, It's great.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's where we're at as swift Day's. I think
Speaker 10: when Travis and when Travis she first when he first
Speaker 10: gave the friendship bracelet, I remember being so annoyed and
Speaker 10: being like, who does he think he is? And him
Speaker 10: being like I wanted to meet her after, but she's
Speaker 10: too busy, and it's just like, yeah, she's Because I
Speaker 10: didn't know anything about him. I just thought he was
Speaker 10: just some guy and was getting headlines because he talked
Speaker 10: about her.
Speaker 11: So I was like, because this is a thing. If
Speaker 11: you talk about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 10: You'll get your name, your face next to hers in
Speaker 10: some kind of headline if you say anything in some
Speaker 10: lead exactly. And I've never done that intentionally, but yes,
Speaker 10: I get my name next to hers on headlines sometimes
Speaker 10: because I have a lot of opinions. But I just
Speaker 10: thought it was his attempt to like but he's not
Speaker 10: like that at all, it comes to find.
Speaker 11: Out in it it worked.
Speaker 10: Is the wild thing that that worked, like being that
Speaker 10: bold and when she first got with Travis, I was like,
Speaker 10: oh no, like she's gonna be a football girly, Like
Speaker 10: I've never related to girls that like football.
Speaker 11: Like I'm losing her, you know.
Speaker 10: Like it's like when my friends have kids, I'm just like,
Speaker 10: atually I won't relate to them anymore. We won't care
Speaker 10: about the same things. And then I said, try to
Speaker 10: let this in and I was able to, and I
Speaker 10: feel like, she yeah, I if she ever has a baby, though, that's.
Speaker 2: When I'm at That's where I go, You're moving on.
Speaker 11: I can't have a bit.
Speaker 2: It's too much. It's a bridge too far. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: she a.
Speaker 4: Little Kelsey baby like, but yeah, I'm into it. I
Speaker 4: feel like the two groups, I mean you should. You
Speaker 4: should see like when football fans are like why would she?
Speaker 4: You know, Taylor Show fans get so into this or
Speaker 4: follow this person around that they don't even know and
Speaker 4: get emotionally involved them, Like there's a seventy thousand person
Speaker 4: stadium of people whose entire weeks or months or lives
Speaker 4: or years are going to rise or fall based on
Speaker 4: what happens on that field. And like, whenever we're in person,
Speaker 4: it always strikes me it's like, oh yeah, these are
Speaker 4: just like other people doing this thing and they actually
Speaker 4: have no relation to me whatsoever. And the people on
Speaker 4: the Patriots really aren't that different than the people on
Speaker 4: the Colts, even though I built up in my mind.
Speaker 4: It's like we're having the exact same parasocial relationships. It's
Speaker 4: nice to put yourself into something that you have no
Speaker 4: control over.
Speaker 10: That's really thank you for saying that, because I've always
Speaker 10: That's what I've envied envied about sports fans, is that
Speaker 10: you have this commune and this passion and this thing
Speaker 10: where you can get so excited about these events you
Speaker 10: look forward to. And I just never had that until
Speaker 10: I became a swifty and suddenly I have this community
Speaker 10: of people where we're all rooting for this nice the
Speaker 10: same thing, and it feels really good.
Speaker 11: And yeah, she can.
Speaker 10: The only place she plays now are places that are
Speaker 10: made for football, so it's like it is the same thing.
Speaker 11: It's a huge connection. It's everyone dresses up, everyone.
Speaker 10: But I've been to ten a nine eras concert tours
Speaker 10: in the past year, and I'm going to three next week,
Speaker 10: so I'm gonna I'm getting Australia.
Speaker 2: Look at you.
Speaker 11: I didn't go there for it. I'm just there for a.
Speaker 10: Wedding and she happens to be there, so I'm going.
Speaker 10: But people go, how could you go that many times?
Speaker 10: And it's like, because it's just it's just a great
Speaker 10: Like people go to see games that many times, but
Speaker 10: my team always wins.
Speaker 2: Always disappointment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like I find a comparison here because when
Speaker 5: I was very young, I'd moved back from England.
Speaker 2: These guys were tired to hear about this.
Speaker 5: But my mom woke me up one morning in like
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty four and we went down and watched the
Speaker 5: very old television set.
Speaker 2: It was the Charles and Die wedding.
Speaker 5: It started at like four in the morning, and we
Speaker 5: sat there and like, I'll never forget watching that. And
Speaker 5: I kind of think, with where our culture is a
Speaker 5: little bit that this is the perfect kind of our
Speaker 5: version of Charles and Diana a little bit on some level.
Speaker 5: But my question more would be because it makes so
Speaker 5: much sense culturally for like the football star to date
Speaker 5: like the rock Icon. Yeah, and maybe the roles are
Speaker 5: a little reversed. She's the royalty, but would a do
Speaker 5: you think the rock Icon would date someone who podcasts
Speaker 5: about football stars where that had the same hold over
Speaker 5: the culture.
Speaker 10: I think, yeah, I think we will love whoever she loves.
Speaker 10: But this is certainly playing into like, you know, she's
Speaker 10: always been the Like she has a song called fifteen
Speaker 10: where she's like, you'll do things greater, that you'll do things.
Speaker 11: Greater than dating the boy on the football.
Speaker 10: Team, like where it's like she has all these illusions throughout,
Speaker 10: like I wear short skirts, she's on the bleach shirt.
Speaker 11: Well, all that stuff.
Speaker 10: It's all been like leading to this, and I do
Speaker 10: think it will last a really long time. I don't
Speaker 10: think it'll last forever because I don't think anything's due,
Speaker 10: especially with the pressure of uh, you know, but I
Speaker 10: think I think that this will go the distance. I
Speaker 10: think they'll have kids. I think they'll get married and
Speaker 10: all that. I don't think there's a proposal coming. Sandwich
Speaker 10: on it, Yeah, all right, I'd love to.
Speaker 2: We do sandwich pops. Yeah, they will have children. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Running by we'll get an announcement twenty twenty five December
Speaker 10: of a baby only wed.
Speaker 2: An Onion on the show. There'll be a.
Speaker 10: Predict it now wedding summer of twenty five, announcement of
Speaker 10: baby in December.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful prediction. By the way, do you have our
Speaker 3: our opening? Because I think she might recognize the voice.
Speaker 3: I think Nikki will like this. Let's see, it's a test.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know who this.
Speaker 11: Is already around.
Speaker 3: That is so this is such a fun, cool thing
Speaker 3: to have Nikki here and you. By the way, check
Speaker 3: out Nikki on the Good Girl tour. If you're at
Speaker 3: the wedding and see your fame is reaching levels, It's
Speaker 3: like I got a million Instagram followers and my friend
Speaker 3: is getting married in Australia, I'm gonna go, like, if
Speaker 3: you can go to Australia for the wedding and then
Speaker 3: catch Taylor a few times.
Speaker 2: Nikki, I'm proud of you, I guess, is what I'm
Speaker 2: saying as a friend.
Speaker 10: Yeah, thirty thousand dollars on Taylor Show's tickets I'm not getting.
Speaker 10: I mean I'm getting some here and there. I get
Speaker 10: a little deals or like insider, like you can buy
Speaker 10: tickets for seven hundred dollars instead of seven thousand. But
Speaker 10: I'm not getting any shortcuts from my fame. I don't
Speaker 10: think I want to be friends with her.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's too heavy, Yeah, it's too heavy. You're also
Speaker 3: the host of f Boy Island, which Mark I know
Speaker 3: you auditioned for. I'm sorry, Mark, maybe maybe next time we.
Speaker 10: Can't allow shirts in the swimming pool and you refuse.
Speaker 11: To take it off.
Speaker 2: Take it off, Mark.
Speaker 3: And finally, the Nicki Glazer podcast, which I'm I think
Speaker 3: about to do with you.
Speaker 11: Yes, I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: Awesome, And that wraps up our week of shows here
Speaker 3: at Radio Road.
Speaker 2: Next time you hear from us.
Speaker 3: It will be the flagship program super Bowl fifty eight.
Speaker 2: Check it out.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you listen to these shows, you're gonna
Speaker 3: listen to that one. But so I don't even sell it,
Speaker 3: you know, listen. Thank you everybody, Thank you, all our guests,
Speaker 3: Thank everybody behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Eric, thank you, Buddy. Great.
Speaker 3: We had four old fashions with Eric and even guilted
Speaker 3: Rosenthal into one, so that was a big, big development.
Speaker 2: Also highlight of the week, guys, Highlight of the week.
Speaker 3: All right, love everybody, Thanks everybody, till Sunday.
Speaker 2: Heat the Call.