1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B. 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. This week we did our 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: Unearthed to close out the year end of One question 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: I think people might have in their minds is, Tracy, 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: why did you not talk about the person who cracked 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: the code on cave paintings figuring out there really some 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: sort of calendar number one? That announcement came number two. 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna hold up, because it's 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: one of those things that has made a lot of 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: headlines about an amateur person making what sounds like a 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: groundbreaking discovery, and maybe it will hold up. Often though 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: those don't. So I honestly was a little relieved when 14 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: suddenly that was all over my feed on something like 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: January fourth or something, because I was like, we're going 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: to have a good three months for people to like 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: look at this and try to figure out whether it 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: really holds up or not before I have to get 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: into it in detail on Unearthed. Yeah see in the spring. Yeah, yeah, 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: it's already bookmarked. Things about it already bookmarked for the 21 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: springtime Unearthed, which will probably come around early April to 22 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: mid April ish, probably based on how our stuff lines up. 23 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: I as what I said, I don't care for watermelon. 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: I don't care for any melon at all. This um 25 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: is so fascinating to me. But now I kind of 26 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: want to try. You know, maybe sometime when there's other 27 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: people eating watermelon and there's seeds, maybe you want to 28 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: try roasted watermelons, roastins watermelon seeds. People also sprout them. 29 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: I think I do really love roasted pumpkin seeds, but 30 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: I also do like pumpkin right. Gourds are fine, melons 31 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: are bad. This is so fascinating to me. Um. I 32 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: love melon in all of its incarnations. One of my 33 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: favorite drinks that I make for people here at the 34 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: house is uh involves a watermelon if used tequila. UM. 35 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: My husband, I may have mentioned before, cannot eat any melons, 36 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: and so we have to be a little careful and 37 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: judicious about having it in the fridge containers, can't have 38 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: any drips kind of stuff. But he's one of those 39 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: people that would love to eat melon. He loved it 40 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: when he was a kid and to develop his allergy 41 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: until later. Um. Yeah, when we used to both live 42 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and there would be uh, Like, let's say 43 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: we had lunch catered one day or something. If there 44 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: was a fruit salad, I would always be like the 45 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: grapes and rab berrias are for me, Holly can have 46 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: all of this melon. I forgot. I knew you didn't 47 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: like honeydew. A lot of people don't like honeydew, specifically 48 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: in that iteration, because it can usually if you get 49 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: a fruit salad, the honeydew not in great shape often 50 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes the same for candleoup. But I didn't know 51 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: you didn't like watermelon. No, all all melon that I 52 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: have ever tried, I have not. I have not liked, 53 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: which makes me think that maybe it is more of 54 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: a mouth feel thing than a flavor thing. But like 55 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: my brain interprets it as a flavor that I don't like. Um. 56 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: I would you ever do a test with like flavored 57 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: syrups to see if you like the flavor but not 58 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: the the weird crunch and fiber. Uh sure? Um, I 59 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: know for sure that I do not like like fake 60 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: watermelon flavor. That's bad. Um. But like an actual melon syrup, 61 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: I try it. Whne I have such a project now, 62 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: oh great, I'm very excited. I'm very excited. Like I 63 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: wonder if I could do like a set of small 64 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: from the fruit simple syrups that I could mail you 65 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: and you could test them in drinks or whatever and 66 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: see if you would be great. We could even do 67 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: that on like a color whatever. You can see my reaction. Yeah, fascinating. Yeah, 68 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: I do want to try with roasted watermelon seeds. I'm 69 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: less enthused for some reason at the idea of sprouted 70 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: watermelon seeds. Yeah. I do have a question for you 71 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: on roasted pumpkin seeds. Do you like to eat them 72 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: shell intact? I think because some people do, and I've 73 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: never that has never worked for me. So when we have, 74 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: like it's been so long since we've done this, like 75 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: when I've had a pumpkin or some other thing in 76 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: that family that I have scooped the seeds out of 77 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: and cleaned the seeds and roasted them, I have normally 78 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: just eaten them as is. Um, But like purchased from 79 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: the store is normally like just the interior kernel part right, Yeah, 80 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: so it depends, is the answer. Yes, um, yeah, I 81 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: like them. I only like the kernel version usually. Yeah, Yeah, 82 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: there's something too like splintery and woodsy about there that 83 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't enjoy. It makes sense, boy, Utsi's the gift 84 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: that keeps on given. Yeah, we had gone for a 85 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: bit without any Utsy updates, and I was like, it's 86 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: been a while since we heard about Utsi, and then um, 87 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: the headlines about this particular Utsy research that we talked about. 88 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: We're really written in a like new paper calls into 89 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: question entire timeline of Utsy and literally everything about him, 90 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: because there were other things that we did not get 91 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: into that have been sort of the conventional let's see 92 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: wisdom that this paper was like. And also this is wrong. 93 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that's the actual tone of the papers, 94 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: but uh, because that was. There are many instances where, 95 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: especially if the paper is either open access or in 96 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: the journal that I have access to, I'm often looking 97 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: at the original paper, and that was not one where 98 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: I was looking at the original paper. I don't remember why. 99 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: There were a few things though, that we're bookmarked on 100 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: the list um that did not wind up being in 101 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: the episode, because when I read the press release about it, 102 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I am confused about what you are 103 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: trying to tell me. And so then I said, maybe 104 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: the original paper is a little clue, new original paper 105 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: not clearer. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. 106 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: We're just not going to be able to talk about 107 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: this one because it makes no sense to me. Were 108 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: you as surprised as I was when you did the 109 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: research as when I read your outline that no one 110 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: had made a comprehensive list of people that had been 111 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: uh confined to the camps in order US sixty six 112 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: I was sixty six. Sorry, I'm confusing it was Star Wars. 113 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: Yet I was simultaneously surprised and not surprised, Like I 114 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: was like nobody, and then I was like, oh, of 115 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: course they didn't, because I mean I could see them 116 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: not doing it then. But I am surprised that no 117 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: researcher up to now has tried to compile this. Yeah, 118 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: and as far as I know, they had not. Everything 119 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: about this made it sound like this was definitively the 120 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: first attempt at a like a really comprehensive list, and 121 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: I don't. I got really emotional at the idea of 122 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: um people being able to review this this list and 123 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: stamp names of either maybe people they were related to, 124 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: people they knew people there almost knew other people, and 125 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: also sort of verifying and fact checking the information that's 126 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: in there too, confirm names and spellings and that kind 127 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: of stuff. Um. The book itself, there are pictures of it, 128 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: and like it's it's simple but also really beautiful and striking. 129 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: How enormous it is, Um, like it's a thousand pages long. 130 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: There was there were things that described how much it weighed, 131 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: and I don't remember many pounds of book. Um, And 132 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: I don't think we said this in the episode. Um, 133 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: it is free to do the book, but I'm pretty 134 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: sure you have to have like a timed entry ticket 135 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: as part of the museum to do it, is how 136 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm remembering that. So if you're gonna go, uh try 137 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: to see the book, do you look at the museum's 138 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: website first get the right info about what you need 139 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: to do to go there. Uh. Because I live on 140 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: the other side of the country, I was surprised when 141 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: it came up in the outline how sort of moved 142 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: and instantly transported. I was talking about the Space Shuttle Challenger. Yeah, 143 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: because people in our age group, we were all in 144 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: like middle and high school when that happened. Yeah, and 145 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: because there had been a teacher on board. I bet 146 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: a lot of schools had teachers that have been part 147 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: of that application program. I know that was the case 148 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: at my school mine too. UM And it really, UM, 149 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: you know, it's not something I think about all the time, 150 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: but then when it comes up in a way like this, 151 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: I just kind of had a little lump in my 152 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: throat for a moment. Yeah, Like I I don't need 153 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: an explanation of what the Space Shuttle Challenger was, UM, 154 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: as I remember it. Um, we were not in school 155 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: that day. There was some kind of teacher work day, 156 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: so I was at the house of um family friends 157 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: who often looked after my brother and me when there 158 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: was like a teacher work day. There was kind of 159 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: a their mom and our mom shared traded off with 160 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: childcare to help each other out, like that kind of 161 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: a situation. UM. And I don't think we actually saw 162 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: it live when it was happening, but we heard about 163 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: it immediately. Somebody called or somebody came over or whatever, 164 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: and then it was like it was on repeat on 165 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: the television for the rest of the day. And as 166 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: I was writing that little part of it, I didn't 167 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: initially have an explanation of what the Challenger disaster was. 168 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: And then I was like remembered, a lot of people 169 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: are younger than us now, um, and may may know 170 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: about the Challenger disaster, but like didn't have that visceral 171 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: experience of having lived through it and seen it live 172 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: on television in school. In a lot of cases, yeah, um, 173 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: my third grade teacher, because this happened. I guess this 174 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: happened when I was in third grade, because I'm just 175 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: a few years younger than you. Fourth grade. Wait, elementary, 176 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: what year was it? I would have been fifteen, So 177 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't think you would have been in third grade, right, 178 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: or would you? I think now we're going to have 179 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: to do school, man. Oh so okay, this makes sense. 180 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: My third grade teacher was in the application process here 181 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: we go while I was in third grade. Disaster happened 182 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: after that, um, but we all had to write letters 183 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: on her behalf to NASA about what a great candidate 184 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: you would be. I will say my classmates and I 185 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: were not fond of our third grade teacher. We found 186 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: her to be very strict, um, and so we were 187 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: kind of like dragged into this letter writing effort and 188 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: then the whole thing took such a tragic turn. Um, 189 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: and like having that happened as a child, this uh weird, 190 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: emotionally weird. Of course, it was not about us. We 191 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: were just children who weren't directly connected to any of it, 192 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: but it still gave it a weird layer. Well, but 193 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: I will say to righte like, I don't know what 194 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: it was like at your school, but for me and 195 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: I totally like was into all of this. It was 196 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: definitely like this is the future where everyone is doing 197 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: this so that your future will be different. And this 198 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: is part of you know, Mankind's march to make every 199 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: generation have better opportunity, knowledge, etcetera. Like it is kind 200 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: of drilled in that it's for you in some ways 201 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: when you're a kid. So I can see why you 202 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: don't need to have a direct connection to it in 203 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: terms of someone that you love or immediately know being 204 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: part of it to feel that gravity of it as 205 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, it was one of those moments that 206 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: for people in our age group, it's like the thing 207 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: that people remember where they were when it happened for sure. 208 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: So anyway, everybody who's our age not, Yes, just one 209 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: of those many, many things that happened in life that 210 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: you remember forever. Yep. How much do I love that 211 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: Levi Strauss has appeared again? Yeah, because I loved working 212 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: on the episode we did on him. It's interesting that 213 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: the tag that you know specified that it was all 214 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: white labor came up. Um. We mentioned it on our 215 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: episode about him. But I just one of the stories 216 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: that has stuck with me. You know, we do so 217 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: many shows, we don't always remember details of all of them. 218 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: But one of the things that has always stuck with 219 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: me was um during that time when people were having 220 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: such really racist anti Chinese sentiment and they discovered that 221 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: Levi Strauss had a cutter who was Chinese, and they 222 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: really criticized him over it and claimed that he was, 223 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, an American or whatever. And he had basically 224 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: put out a statement that was like, if I could 225 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: find a US citizen who can do what this man does, 226 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: I would hire them. But I never have, So this 227 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: is what you got if you want me to keep 228 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: making jeans. It was just like one of those um 229 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: interesting stories that has stayed with me in the years 230 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: since we have done it. He was like, um, no 231 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: skilled labor is skilled labor, and I need this skill 232 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: and I can't make it anywhere else. So so I 233 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: knew that there were people who went into old minds 234 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: and stuff looking basically for old genes. I did not 235 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: know that. I don't know how that's escaped my attention 236 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: all these years. That's that's something that I heard someone 237 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: who cares about men's fashion talk about, and so it 238 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: like I knew that was a thing that people would do, 239 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: sort of like looking for old jeans in old minds 240 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: and stuff. I really did not know that then they 241 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: would sell it auction for six figure numbers of dollars 242 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: Holy Moses, right, or high five figures numbers of dollars 243 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: in one case, um and uh. One of the two 244 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: pairs of jeans that we talked about the way it 245 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: was written up made it sound like almost like they 246 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: were trying to flip these genes to another buyer. And 247 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: I was just like, this baffles me. Like I I 248 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: am unlike Holly in that fashion is not a thing 249 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: I think about a lot, and often I'm just like, 250 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: do I have clothing on my body? I do? Create Um, 251 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: and so the idea that like of anybody caring enough 252 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: about jeans to number one go in old minds to 253 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: look for them, and then number two to buy them 254 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: for eight seven thousand about ers or whatever and then 255 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: flip them. I was like, the whole foreign thing to me, 256 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: I do not understand it. Yeah, I didn't realize that 257 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: was something that was apparently like an entire secondary collector market. 258 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, people will collect anything. I find myself so 259 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: torn about it for a number of reasons. Right on 260 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: the one hand, like it's cool that these things will 261 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: be preserved theoretically, of course, but then I'm also like, 262 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars, but I mean, it's not like 263 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: a work of art that's singular. Although that first pair 264 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: might be the second pair might at this point be 265 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: getting pretty close um in terms of their not being 266 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: any others like them, But I still I then have 267 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: to wrap my head around it because I'm like, that's 268 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: a lot of money, and the Indiana Jones and Me 269 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: is like put them in a museum, having in a 270 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: product collection. So I know I I would never be 271 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: able to participate in that, even if I suddenly found 272 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: myself with a lottery win or something, because I would 273 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: be like, I don't know that this is the right 274 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: thing to do with money, but maybe it is I 275 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: don't know. Um so I got a little confused as 276 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: I was looking at the genes, um just because I 277 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: had multiple bookmarks that were about old genes that had 278 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: been found that were Levi's or maybe Levi's, and I 279 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: got I was like, are these the same genes? Are 280 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: either of them really the oldest genes? And uh, Levi's 281 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: had a sort of contest a while back to try 282 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: to find like the really oldest genes that people still had, 283 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: and I don't know. I just found that was really interesting, 284 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: and um, none of them were the genes that were 285 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: discussed today. And of course there are some questions about 286 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: whether one of the pairs of pants that we talked 287 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: about really are connected to leave my staff definitely now. 288 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: Um So anyway, we can just leave off, I think 289 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: on the jeans talk Happy Friday again. Whatever is coming 290 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: up on your weekend. I hope it goes great. 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