1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and speaker. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: and courtse creator. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: our careers and our families. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: episode is airing in July twenty twenty five. Sarah is 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: going to be interviewing Mercy Simms, who's was the CEO 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: of SIMS Corporation, which is sell designer and brand name 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: apparel and housewares. She's also currently the founding trustee and 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: president of the Si Sims found But they're going to 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: be talking all about clothing as a form of self care. Sarah, 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: what do you think that maybe you can elaborate a 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: little bit on that. 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the idea of clothing as a form. 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: She uses the word self care and self respect, so 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: I guess respecting ourselves elevating ourselves by making sure that 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: what we have on the outside reflects how awesome we 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: are on the inside. And that's not always the default 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: mindset of everyone. Some people might even say the opposite, Oh, 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: it's the inside that counts. But I do say I 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: do feel like, especially as I've gotten older, it does 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 2: matter to me to feel good in what I'm wearing. Yeah, 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: do you feel like has your approach evolved with wearing 29 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: clothing that you feel like respects you or makes you 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: feel elevated in some way, or do you feel like 31 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: things have been more the same over time? 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's so hard. I do generally want to 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: have clothes that are nice and comfortable, and I don't 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: want to say spend too much time thinking about it, 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: either putting together the outfits or purchasing the outfits, which 36 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: means that if I like a piece of clothing, I 37 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: want it to last forever, which unfortunately tends not to 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: be the case. I really wish it were, and I 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: try to buy repeats of anything I love before it 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: wears out. I've had some luck buying on Etsy or Poshmark, 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: not Etsy, eBay sorry and Poshmark when things disappear, but 42 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: sometimes even the same thing will fit differently. I don't know. 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: It's just people rework cuts, and I don't know. I 44 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: would love to pay more for stuff that would last forever, 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: but my feeling is a lot of stuff, even nice stuff, 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: doesn't last forever, and that makes me sad. But you know, 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: so I go back and forth on this. If I 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: knew something would last forever, I would be happy to 49 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: pay for it, But since many things do not last forever, 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: I do wind up buying some sort of like more 51 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: affordable stuff, knowing it will only get a year of 52 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: use out of it. But sometimes the nice stuff only 53 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: gets a year of use out of it too. 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: It's true, and that can be really disappointing. I feel 55 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: like I will spend out to get like the right fit, 56 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: the right drape, the right fabric. And it's not always 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 2: a get what you pay for a situation, But I think, 58 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: within reason, it can be. If I've decided a certain 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: store is like within my reach, I actually have gotten 60 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: to the point where I don't pay as much. I mean, 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: I'm spending my own allowance, which is like a limited 62 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: set of funding, but I try not to look at 63 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: sales or pay a lot of attention to price tags. Now, 64 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: there are certain stores that are absolutely not within my reach, 65 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: like Veronica Beard gorgeous stuff, but like if I go 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: to the website, I'm just like, I can not, I 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: cannot pay this much money. But within brands that it's 68 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: like within reach, I don't look. I just look at 69 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: like this is going to fit my body, This looks 70 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: like it will last, This looks like it's made out 71 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: of good quality. And that's definitely something that has changed. 72 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: I also have really elevated my workout where I mean, 73 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: I'm working on it. I have some items that still 74 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: could I just identify that. I feel like I need 75 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: a whole new set of sports spras, which is fine, 76 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: but yeah, that and my lounge wear has definitely gotten 77 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: a slow upgrade over time, and I've gotten to the 78 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: point where I don't really want to feel super schlovey, 79 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: even if I'm just sitting at home. So I'm super 80 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: excited for this conversation. 81 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right. My workout wear is one of the 82 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: few places where I feel like I have found something 83 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: that lasted a long time. My athleta running tights their 84 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: capris and they have big pockets on the side, which 85 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: is good because you can put like your keys in 86 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: or your phone in. But the problem is I can't 87 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: find that exact one anymore. I don't know they stopped 88 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: making them, which is too bad. I have several but 89 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: and they've lasted for more than ten years, probably fifteen 90 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: years now, but it's sad that I can't seem to 91 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: find them. So if anyone has favorite, you know, running 92 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: capris that have big pockets, let me know. I'd love 93 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: to love to know about this. Do you have a 94 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: favorite professional outfit? 95 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: Sarah? 96 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: Lately, I've been using this rap dress by a brand 97 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: called Percifour, which it got while working with Real Life 98 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: Styles Lannie Inlander as a stylist, and I've worn into 99 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: multiple talks and I love that it's like v neac 100 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: but there's no like bra issues and it's a rap 101 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: dress so it just fits super well. But the brand 102 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: went out of business, so I can't replicate this dress. 103 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: This is he might have to wear it until it 104 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: wears such Mark orybe for another one of those. Yeah, 105 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: I've I Actually I wear these Beta brand black pants, 106 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, the yoga dress pants. Yes, but unfortunately that's 107 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: what I bought, like another pair of the pants because 108 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: they're getting old. 109 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: Now. 110 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: I've had them for like five six years and the 111 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: cut is different. I don't know. It's the exact same size, 112 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: it's the same thing, and the cut is completely different. 113 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: So I don't understand, but you know, it is what 114 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: it is. I tend to wear a colorful top of 115 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: some sort and then a black rap. That's my speaking outfit. 116 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, all right, Well, I'm excited to 117 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: hear from Marcy. So I am so excited to be 118 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: here today with Mark Sims. She was CEO of sims Core, 119 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: which was operating in sixteen states selling designer and brand 120 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: name apparel and housewares to educated consumers, and we'll talk 121 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: about that. And currently she is a social entrepreneur, philanthropist, 122 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: and the new author of Leading with Respect, Adventures of 123 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: an Off price Fashion Pioneer. So welcome Marcie to the show. 124 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. I think 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: you're terrific and I've enjoyed catching up with some of 126 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: your most recent podcasts in order to be with you 127 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: here today. 128 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: Oh that makes me so happy. That is excellent. Will 129 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: you fit right in as you probably figured out as 130 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: we are all about ways to make work in life 131 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: fit together, and you are an expert on all things workware, 132 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: so I am so excited to dive in. Even if 133 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: I do, I am a physician and usually were scrubs 134 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: to work, but still there are other times when I 135 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: need to look good. So this is going to be 136 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: personally useful as well as I'm sure for our audience. Okay, 137 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: So I am super curious because in your tagline it 138 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: talked about your company catering to educated consumers, and I 139 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: just want to know what is your take on that, Like, 140 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: what is an educated consumer exactly? 141 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: Well, it's someone who doesn't get ripped off basically. So 142 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: when you go shopping, what is your most reliable indicator 143 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: of the value that you can expect to get. What's 144 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: the promise of value? Usually that's tied in with the 145 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: brand name, but we have gone very much into generic 146 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 3: or private label clothing, so you have to be even 147 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: more educated. You have to on your own understand the 148 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: value of fibers, the value of cutmake and trim, how 149 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 3: something is put together. And lastly, especially in our moment, 150 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: you also have to be aware of taxes and how 151 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: much is added on to the price tag you're paying 152 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: because of tariffs. 153 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: Super interesting. So it's a whole layer and tariffs aren't 154 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: new obviously, but obviously the scope of them may go 155 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: up and down, and that can change how much that 156 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: influences the price tag. 157 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: That's a really interesting point, if I may, because when 158 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: I first entered the business, tariff's was a really big 159 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: deal in how we negotiated. They were bartered. Tariffs were 160 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: bartered between countries. Tariffs were negotiated at the customs, at 161 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: the ports whenever, whether it was LA or New York 162 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: in our case where most of the apparel comes through 163 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: this country, and it was a pain, let me tell you, 164 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: it took a lot of administrative time. Now we might 165 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: be able to brush this off on AI and have 166 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: AI do tariffs, but I really doubt that because so 167 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 3: much might depend on whether there is embroidery around the zipper, 168 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: is the zipper plastic, is the hook metal? What are 169 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: the different really minute characteristics of every garment, and how 170 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: is each part tariffed. 171 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: It's a pain fascinating because I of course just assumed 172 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: it was just like whatever percent and oh it sounds 173 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 2: so much more complicated than that much very interesting. Well, 174 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: how do you get that education, I guess is my 175 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: first question. 176 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: Well, I got it the honest way. I was born 177 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: into it. When I was about ten, just before my 178 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: tenth birthday, my father opened his first retail store and 179 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: he had really become a retailer again the honest way 180 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: with his father, and he was doing discounting. Now, discounting 181 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: is when you pay the wholesale price and then you 182 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: take a shorter markup to the consumer. So let's say 183 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: you buy something for fifty dollars and you only mark 184 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: it up fifty percent, so you mark it seventy five dollars. 185 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: But let's say the other retailers that mark it up 186 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: one hundred percent are now going to sell it for 187 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: one hundred dollars, so double the fifty. Well, my father 188 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 3: didn't do that. He decided he was going to do 189 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: what he and he really anointed off price. An off 190 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 3: price for us meant and we had to educate people 191 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 3: about this. Off price meant below whostsale. So if it 192 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: was a fifty dollars hostsale at the end of the 193 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 3: season or approaching the end of the season, the manufacturer 194 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: knows what they're not going to be able to sell, 195 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 3: and they would negotiate with us for a certain percentage 196 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: below what their wholesale price was. So we like to 197 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: say that we would like to purchase within fifteen to 198 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: twenty five percent of cost, and then we would mark 199 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: up within ten percent of the wholesale price, so the 200 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: consumer would always get an incredible bargain. 201 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: So incredibly slim margins, yes, but overall kind of getting 202 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: the same stuff. Maybe not the first round of picked stuff, 203 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: but like the second round of pick stuff curt a 204 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: much much, much lower price. 205 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: We'd like to say that if purple were the hot 206 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: collar of the season, an umpire, or let's say capri 207 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: pants with a hot look of the season, we might 208 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: not get them combined, but you'd be able to buy 209 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 3: Caprice in green or yellow, and you'd be able to 210 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: buy purple in something else. 211 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: Totally makes sense. Okay, Well, I didn't even know that 212 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: definition of off price, but in your opinion, off price 213 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: is kind of like fashion's best kept secret. Would you 214 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: say that's still true? 215 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: I would say that there are some areas, yes, And 216 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: I would say that there are some areas and some 217 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: retailers today, to my mind, the best value right now 218 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: is really in resale shops. Really really, I mean I 219 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: saw the growth of this start in twenty fifteen and 220 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: it has just taken off. I mean before that time, 221 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: it was goodwill, right, but as we went through the 222 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: time where designer merchandise was not as plentiful, and really 223 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: it was second and third tier designer. So you have 224 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: Ralph Lauren, and then you have Ralph, and then you 225 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: have Larin and then you know, you have all of 226 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: these iterations around a designer. The idea of real designer clothing, 227 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 3: the best value is to buy something someone else owned. 228 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: And hopefully didn't wear very much and took very good 229 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: care of. Probably from a sustainability perspective, also a very 230 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: wonderful thing to be doing. 231 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: Fascinating absolutely because fast fashion, which is one of the 232 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: things that actually brought designer to its knees, fashion is 233 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: a terrible thing for our planet. 234 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: Totally makes sense. So getting to that the idea that 235 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: people should invest and whether that's investing extra time because 236 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: finding things on the resale market can definitely be a 237 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: little bit more time consuming or investing extra money because 238 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: you're getting a high end label, even if it's a discount, 239 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: that still might not be a low amount of money. 240 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: One of your slogans is that workware is self worthware, 241 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: so that that time or money is worth it. Can 242 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: you unpack that a little bit. 243 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: Well, just think about how many hours a week you 244 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: spend working and in order to feel really at the 245 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: top of your game, which is always an asset. Whether 246 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: it's just a sense of organization or a sense of 247 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: preparation or a sense of you know, I'm going to 248 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 3: just kill this. A lot of that has to do 249 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: with what looks back at you when you look in 250 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: the mirror, and just simplistically, that has to do with 251 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: what's on your body. Certainly it helps to have a 252 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: good body image, but we'll use that with a wellness episode. 253 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: But just looking at yourself, what colors do you feel 254 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: look good on you, What silhouettes look good on you, 255 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: What fabrics don't bother you. I know a lot of 256 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: people who just can't stand wearing polyester or viscos or 257 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: having anything like that, or a label in the neckline. 258 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: Make sure all of those things are taken care of 259 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: before you take off for an appointment or a podcast 260 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: or going to work. 261 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: I can see that. I mean, there's definitely a huge 262 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: difference when you find yourself in something. I think you 263 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: notice it, especially when you're wearing something that doesn't work, like, oh, 264 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: this is so distracting, and I don't feel like my 265 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: best self and I'm adjusting something all day long and 266 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: oh my God, versus almost not thinking about it or 267 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: just kind of feeling this sense of confidence. You might 268 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: not even be thinking about your outfit, but it's like there, 269 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: and it's related. 270 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: And so much of that too, has to do with 271 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: the fit. I happen to be someone with short arms, 272 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: I'll never be able to box with God. And so 273 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: everything that I purchase, I have to shorten the arms. 274 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: Even a petite I have to shorten by about an 275 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 3: inch and a half. And I know when I wear 276 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: something that I haven't gone that extra step. How when 277 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: I enter the room, can they see how long my 278 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: sleeves are? So it's so psychological, the feeling of preparation 279 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: and being at your best. 280 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: That makes sense. Well, we're going to take a quick 281 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: break and we are going to be back talking about 282 00:15:50,240 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: ways to shop. All right, we are back, and we've 283 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: kind of mentioned fast fashion a little bit and some 284 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: of the problems there, and one big trend is obviously 285 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: people buying a lot of stuff online, and that can 286 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: even be true in the pre owned market because there's 287 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: you know, lots of websites for that now as well 288 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: as going to, you know, an in person store. I 289 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: personally have gotten to a point where I am sort 290 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: of tired of online shopping in general, because I'm five 291 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: foot one and none of the models are five foot one, 292 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: and it's like, unless it's a brand that I just 293 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: know that they fit me, it's too boring because I 294 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: know that there's a significant chance of sending it back. 295 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: And then I recently learned that when you send stuff 296 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: back often they throw it away, which made me just ill. 297 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: So anyway, what are your thoughts on in person versus online, 298 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: whether that applies to kind of like an off price retailer, 299 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: or even best practices for looking for pre owned. 300 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 3: My rule of thumb in using the internet actually for emergencies, 301 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: it's great if you can get something delivered the next day. Okay, 302 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: So we're not going to be talking about that specifically 303 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 3: because that's a unique situation that's an emergency, and that's 304 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: on the side here, but in general, if you're buying 305 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: something that you've owned before, in other words, an undergarment, 306 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 3: a bra a pante something that you know the brand, 307 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: you know how it's going to fit, you know it's 308 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 3: right for you. Use the internet. It's a real time saver. 309 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 3: It's not always the least expensive, and certainly if you 310 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: don't get free shipping it it can really add up, 311 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: but it does save time and it is dependable usually right, 312 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: usually always. 313 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 2: I've wondered the same size of something and then I'm like, 314 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 2: this should be the same, and it's not even the same. 315 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: This is true, this is true, and that's happened to 316 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 3: me also. So maybe I shouldn't say it's good for emergencies, 317 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 3: but it can be, but it can be. But I 318 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: would say for fashion, if you have not been able 319 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: to see yourself in something and feel yourself move in something, 320 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: it's not just enough to put it on and a 321 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: virtual and avatar wears it. You've got to know how 322 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: your butt feels in it, how your arm feels you 323 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: know your armpits move in it, and that you can 324 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: only do in person. And I would say pick your 325 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 3: favorite one or two stores, and don't make it a 326 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: visit when you must get something, make it a visit 327 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: when there's a change in season. Go in there. Have 328 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: an hour and a half, buy yourself a coffee and 329 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: some personal time, and and try on and don't feel 330 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 3: any pressure. You might find a new look for this 331 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 3: season that you hadn't worn before and it's just right 332 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 3: for you for now. 333 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: I love that, And because I definitely don't do enough 334 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: of that, And I think there's this story we tell 335 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: ourselves that we could just everything's online now and this 336 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: is like the new modern way to shop, and I 337 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: just I'm personally kind of disappointed in it after doing 338 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: it for a while. So and yet I don't think 339 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: we give ourselves permission to just go in a store, 340 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: which thankfully still exists, by the way, they won't if 341 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: we don't go to them. Yes, and to go with 342 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: no pressure every once in a while, just like okay, 343 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: change of season. All right, let's see if there's stuff 344 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: that I need or that that fits my needs. I 345 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: guess because and you know what. 346 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: You could also. I mean what I do is there 347 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: are pieces that I've kept for many, many years, and 348 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 3: those pieces can be incorporated in next seasons or the 349 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 3: new look or whatever. And I can't tell you what's 350 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 3: satisfaction it is to take something that I wore twenty 351 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 3: two years ago and make it look brand new because 352 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 3: it's with a different scar, or it has a different top, 353 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 3: or you know, the color combinations look zippy for today. 354 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 3: So there can be satisfaction in that. 355 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I found this sweater from like definitely over solid, 356 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: maybe fifteen years old, and interestingly I didn't wear it 357 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 2: because back then I felt like it was too cropped. 358 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: But that was before all the pants were high waisted, 359 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: and now it actually looks better and more modern than 360 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: it did that and I'm like, I'm so glad I 361 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: kept this special piece because now I like it even more. 362 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love when that happens. It just makes you 363 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 3: feel really smart. 364 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, speaking of smart and buying things that are 365 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: smart and will have longevity in her closet, there have 366 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: been notes about several wardrobe essentials that if you are 367 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 2: building your or drove from scratch or looking for just 368 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: sort of like the most important pieces and you're just 369 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: maybe you've took a break from work and you're going back. 370 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: We definitely have listeners who had kids and took some 371 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: time off and now they're back and they're back in 372 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: person and they're like, oh my gosh, I have to rebuild. 373 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: What are some essentials that you would start with. 374 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: I would immediately ask you what is your foundational color? 375 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: For me, my foundational color is black or navy blue. Okay, 376 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 3: so every piece that I purchase in my essential wardrobe 377 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 3: and this can help you with packing for trips as well. 378 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: Pick your essential color and have things that coordinate with that. 379 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: Pieces that you want to have. You talk about black. 380 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 3: You never have enough black shoes or black pants, just 381 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: like never. And then you want to have a black 382 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 3: summer jacket which is one hundred percent cotton, and you 383 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: want to have a black winter jacket. And I'm not 384 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 3: talking at exterior jackets. I'm talking well, there's too much 385 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 3: air conditioning, or I'm going outside to meet someone for 386 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: coffee jacket that's like a blazer looking kind of thing. 387 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 3: So those would be to start with you. You have 388 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 3: to have those basic solid color the foundational color of 389 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: your wardrobe pieces. And then white, whether it's navy or 390 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 3: green or red, whatever your it shouts out at me, 391 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 3: this is who I am. Color is white is always 392 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 3: a compliment to that, so accent or accessory pieces, whether 393 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 3: it's a basic white blouse, it is a white and 394 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 3: design scarf that you can use in the spring and 395 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: summer season, or a black background color scarf that you 396 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 3: can use in the all in winter season. These are 397 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: really essentials. I mean you can actually use those maybe 398 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 3: four pieces, the pants, the jacket, the white blouse, let's 399 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 3: say a skirt, the black skirt, or the black simple dress. 400 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 3: You can actually build on that as a foundation for 401 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 3: any wardrobe pretty much today, in any country, pretty much today, 402 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 3: in any climate. 403 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: That makes sense because I'm in South Florida where it's warm, 404 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: but that does not protect us from aggressive air conditioning, 405 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: and it also does not protect us from wanting to 406 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: have some sort of seasonality to just how we want 407 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: to look. So it makes sense that that applies because 408 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: so much. 409 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 3: Of clothing I think is also mood. It does create 410 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: a mood not only within you but around you. And 411 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 3: so what mood do you want to create? We get 412 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 3: fifteen seconds. Actually that's a little long, I bet you 413 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 3: today it's three seconds in order to make an impression. 414 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: So what mood are you going to create in those 415 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: three seconds? 416 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: And I can imagine that's especially important as you're meeting 417 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: new people in a new role. 418 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, you're. 419 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: All of a sudden projecting this image, and probably once 420 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: who've projected that initial image, it's hard to go back. 421 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 3: It's really hard to change what people think. Change is 422 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: one of those things humans just don't like too much. 423 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're going to take another break, and when 424 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 2: we're back, we're going to talk a little bit about 425 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 2: multitasking garments that might take us from work to everything else. 426 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: All right, we're back, and I can already picture this 427 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: beautiful work wardrobe of like high end but discounted our 428 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: secondhand designer jackets, a skirt and a pair of pants 429 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: that fits perfectly in the right kind of fabric. But 430 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: let's say someone also is like, listen, I don't love 431 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: spending money on clothes, so if I do, I want 432 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: it to do double duty. I want to be able 433 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: to go to brunch or you know, maybe wear it 434 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: to like a party or something. What do you feel 435 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: like are the best multitaskers out there? 436 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: I happen to really like not denim. I like non 437 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 3: blue colored denim, like black, Yeah, black denim. Really in 438 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: a black denim jacket, you know, I'm just a black bit. 439 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: You know, I love black, but black regular cut pants 440 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 3: instead of the gene cut, using that denim look that 441 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 3: can go from work just put on a necklace or 442 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: a sum sparkly top. There's so much sequenting now that's 443 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 3: really fun to wear. There are so many sequins, know, 444 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 3: just T shirts that you can put on underneath a 445 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: denim jacket. They really if you put a sparkly T 446 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 3: shirt in your day bag, just put it on in 447 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 3: the bathroom and you're a night baby. 448 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: I love it taking your work pants. And that's so true, 449 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: like a structured black denim that you can't even really 450 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: tell is denim. Could I had a pair of Genes 451 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: once that I used to I don't think we were 452 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: allowed to wear gens technically, and I still wore these 453 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: for like years because I was like, yeah, they're close enough, 454 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 2: and they were. They were a nice brand and they 455 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: fit really well. And yeah, so that I now. 456 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: Because denim has become so an artisan kind of item 457 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: with tears and embroidery and painting, et cetera, there is 458 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 3: the more conservative look denim, and the more you know, 459 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 3: I'm out there going to the flea market this weekend, denim. 460 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, so jeans, any other specific pieces 461 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: that you would say are great for again, going from 462 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: that to brunch. 463 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 3: Maybe I like cotton their oblong scarves. Cotton oblong scarves. 464 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 3: They can be used around your neck. I have many 465 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 3: in different colors. My favorite, of course, is black with 466 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 3: small specks of white stars like it. Yeah, so, and 467 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: it goes because it's cotton, and because of the size, 468 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: it can act as a showl. It can act as 469 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: just something around your neck, as something that amplifies your outfit, 470 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 3: or just you wanting to keep warm, or you're transitioning 471 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 3: from daytime to the cool of night. But because of 472 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 3: its size, it can just be thrown over your shoulders, 473 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: or it can be just thrown around your neck or 474 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: tied around your neck. It can even be used around 475 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 3: your hips or your waist. So it's a very adaptable 476 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: accessory that I think comes in handy, particularly for travel. 477 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: Makes sense something to have around as a kind of 478 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: a catch all, kind of morph your outfit or change 479 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: the mood of it and use in different ways. Awesome. Well, 480 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: here's a fun question. Any common mistakes you see people making. 481 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 2: They're rushing to get their work wardrobe together or to 482 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: update it, and you know they do some things wrong. 483 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: Maybe they're investing in the wrong types of things. Maybe 484 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: they are buying too much too soon, Maybe they are 485 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: just sort of changing themselves. I don't know, what do 486 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 2: you see in terms of some of the most common mistakes. 487 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: To me, the most common mistake that really goes across 488 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: all societal income, every group really comes down to fit. 489 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 3: Because there are those that walk out of the house 490 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: and because they can't see the back of themselves, don't 491 00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 3: realize that those pants really are unattractive if you look 492 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 3: at the back of you, and they might be fine 493 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 3: in the front, but in the back. Probably one of 494 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 3: the most common in America right now is the whole 495 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 3: midriff area, whether it's for men or women, that somehow 496 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: we think everything's a headshot, everything's you know, above the shoulders, 497 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 3: but the in between between your waist and your you know, 498 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 3: above your midsection, we tend to put on weight there, 499 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: particularly past a certain age, and for those who don't 500 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: understand that that means you need more material. I think 501 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: it's a little embarrassing. You know, I don't really want 502 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: to see your belly button coming over the bottom of 503 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 3: your pants. Yeah, I mean at your waist. Those most 504 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 3: embarrassing things are to me fit because very honestly, I 505 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: have a very broad tolerance for different decisions in design 506 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: and color, but I don't infit because that's taking the 507 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 3: time to know your body, to figure out what work 508 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: needs to be done on the item before you walk 509 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: out wearing it. 510 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: And to be fair, this is I think what you're 511 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: saying is not overweight. People should not show their bodies. 512 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: It's not that if people are wanting this is more 513 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: the unintentional of they're not meaning to. Their outfit just 514 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: does not actually contain them properly, and they're probably not 515 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: even comfortable. 516 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 3: So that's right. Yeah, that's a huge point. How could 517 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: that be comfortable? I must say that being a manager, 518 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 3: it was really we were very strict about how someone 519 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: was going to be dressed in the store, and particularly 520 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: in the area of men's suit or men's suits department 521 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 3: and the outerwear department where tailoring was so important, and 522 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 3: it was something to teach people who who weren't used to, 523 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: who were really used to wearing stretches to come in 524 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 3: and put a wardrobe together with suits and ties and 525 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: et cetera. Not so much ties anymore, but at least 526 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 3: that notch collar. 527 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: And it is very true that when you see someone 528 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 2: in clothing that just fits them very very well. No 529 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: matter what the body type, it looks better and that 530 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: does sometimes require tailoring. As a short person, like a 531 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: lot of times for me, I can't just buy something 532 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: and expect it'll look sort of silly. And it's annoying 533 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: to have that extra expense. But I see how it 534 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: makes sense. 535 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 3: It is. I always resent it, and as I told you, 536 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: I need to do it all the time whenever I 537 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 3: buy something. So but it really makes a difference. 538 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, this has been so fun. I feel like 539 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: a more educated consumer after this conversation. And I had 540 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 2: promised that we were going to share a love of 541 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: the week this week, like we do every week, and 542 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: I'll go first to give you time to get your 543 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: thoughts together. Okay, but my love of the week is 544 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: that you know, when you go on a trip and 545 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: you want to have a souvenir and you want to 546 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: get something, but like you don't want something that is 547 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: going to just clutter up your house and be ultimately garbage. 548 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: We have decided that the perfect souvenir for our household 549 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: on most trips is a mug, because you know, mugs 550 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: do ultimately not last forever, forever, And I wouldn't say 551 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: I want to buy one on every single trip because 552 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: then they might accumulate. But buying a nice mug and 553 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: then being like, oh, my morning coffee and a reminder 554 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: of like New Hampshire where we just went, it's just 555 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: so fun and it's actually useful. So I am into 556 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: the nice souvenir mug. That's my love of the week. 557 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 3: I don't want to be a copycat, but you do 558 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 3: make me think that I just came back from a 559 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: trip and I hadn't been away for a really long time, 560 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: like a year, and I because I was finishing up 561 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: the book and all that. But I went to Santa 562 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: Fe for the first time and there were ow much 563 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 3: beautiful pottery, and yes, I did buy a mug, but 564 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 3: also I saw something I had never seen before that 565 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 3: was done by one of the native tribes who was 566 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: the longest lived Adobe community, and they were showing their 567 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 3: wares outside their Adobe homes, and we took a day 568 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 3: to visit and I fell in love with this piece 569 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 3: of pottery that had to be shipped because it was 570 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 3: too big for me to carry it. And it was 571 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: called the Friendship Bowl, and it had small people on 572 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: the top of the opening of the bowl and they 573 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 3: were holding hands. So there was a circle of these 574 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 3: little tiny clay creatures that were all holding hands around 575 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 3: the bowl. And it just came. It just arrived on Friday, 576 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: and I opened it and I loved it. And when 577 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: I was looking at it, similar to what you did, 578 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 3: said and was told that if you buy something like this, 579 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 3: you will have a story always about your visits to 580 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: Santa Fe. And that's a good way to buy souvenirs, 581 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 3: something that gives you a story to. 582 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: Tell and that makes you happy every time you look 583 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: at it, which it sounds like this definitely does. And 584 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: I'm so glad it made the trip because it sounds 585 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: incredibly delicate, so like it really was. 586 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: I was nervous taking the bubble wrap off. 587 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: Like please, every person has to be intact. Yes, that's awesome, 588 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: because tell our listeners where they can find you, and 589 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 2: remind us one more time about your book. 590 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 3: So right now on Amazon leading with respect, it Ventures 591 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 3: of an Off Price Fashion Pioneer by me Marcy Simms 592 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 3: can be ordered. I think the drop date is August 593 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: twenty six, So anyone who's listening please pre order because 594 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 3: it really makes a difference, they tell me. 595 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 2: And it sounds like it will be a very fun read, 596 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 2: hopefully lots of like cool history, but also learning. Oh yes, 597 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: I want to learn more now. 598 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: Yes, it's all about sharing experience and wisdom. 599 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you so much for coming on, Marci. 600 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 3: Thank you. It was fun. 601 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: Well, that was great learning about how style and clothing 602 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: can be a form of self care and self respect, 603 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 1: matching how awesome we are on the inside to how 604 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,479 Speaker 1: we look on the outside. So this question comes from 605 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: a listener who says, your podcast seems to be geared 606 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: toward higher earning couples, and I am a few years 607 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: away from joining your target audience. My husband is already 608 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: in that bucket. He's a physician and has been for 609 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: several years now, but this particular listener is still twoish 610 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: years out from finishing her PhD. Until then, I make 611 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: a fairly meager stipend after graduation. It might take me 612 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: a few years to sort of work up to what 613 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: i'd consider a robust salary. She says, you've both had 614 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: life stages with lower incomes and to set your sites 615 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: on multiple kids. What advice would you give to me 616 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: for context? They have a two and a half year 617 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: old and a baby. They're hoping to have at least 618 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: a third kid in a couple of years. So Sarah, 619 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: what would you say. 620 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 2: Well, the five people probably won't like this, but when 621 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 2: we were both residents or we were actually fellows by 622 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: the point that we were having Annabelle, we just didn't 623 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 2: save anything, and in fact, we kind of like dipped 624 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 2: into the savings that we had in order to pay 625 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 2: for daycare and get the highest quality care we could get, 626 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 2: and we knew that was going to be very expensive, 627 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: but we also knew it was going to be temporary. 628 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 2: So I do think there's like the mindset that certain 629 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 2: years are just like investment years in your future. You're 630 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 2: investing money and raising your child, well, you're investing money 631 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 2: in your future career, and your particular circumstance sounds less 632 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 2: extreme than ours, because hey, you already have one partner 633 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 2: who's earning well, so you may not even need to 634 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,479 Speaker 2: go into debt. It just may mean being a little 635 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 2: bit more I don't know, like treading water for a 636 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 2: few years rather than putting lots away. But I definitely 637 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 2: want you to make sure you're not thinking, oh, well, 638 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: I'm not earning, so somehow the child cares all my 639 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 2: responsibility and how can we be spending on that, because 640 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 2: I mean, you have to look at this as like 641 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 2: one big picture. These are your kids together and in 642 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 2: the end, you earning is going to also benefit the 643 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 2: whole family. So I actually don't even know how much 644 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 2: mental gymnastics you need to just say, make sure you 645 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 2: use his salary to make things work as well as 646 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 2: possible when the kids are little, especially if it sounds 647 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 2: like you want multiple young kids back to back. 648 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean there's no magic time to have kids, 649 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: so I wouldn't worry about that. You can have the 650 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: kid whenever you have your third, when you wish to 651 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: have your third, have a fourth when you wish to 652 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: have your fourth. But if your husband is currently earning 653 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: a good living, then use that to purchase the support 654 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: you need to launch your career. And over time, I 655 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: guess is that you will make a good salary too, 656 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: and so it will have been a wise financial move 657 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: for you to stay and finish this degree and get 658 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: your big job later on. And I agree with Sarah 659 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 1: like compounding is awesome. I love the idea of putting 660 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: small amounts away over time, and the you know, the 661 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: longer you're in, the better. But the thing is, like 662 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: when we're putting small amounts in, you have to understand 663 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: that even at a sort of robust rate of return, 664 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: like the doubling, time is a couple of years here, right, 665 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: Like if you're getting nine percent interest, which is high. 666 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 2: The BA is this the investment podcast, so you can 667 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 2: tell total time is eight years? 668 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: Okay, there's the rule of seventy two. So the money 669 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: you put in now, if you put in at nine 670 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: percent interest, will double in eight years. Now, if it's 671 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: going to be absolutely painful for you to save x 672 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: amount now and it would be far less painful for 673 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: you to save two x eight years from now, don't 674 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: worry about it. But don't worry about it, right, Like 675 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: if you know, as Sarah and Josh knew that they 676 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: were going to be working as physicians in a couple 677 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: of years and they would both be earning good salaries 678 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: that they would be able to save more, then like, 679 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: figure you will two x or three x what you 680 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: could save now when it would be painful to save 681 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: versus in eight years when it will be far less 682 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: painful to save now. Obviously you have to do that. 683 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: You have to trust that your future self will be 684 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: willing to save the money to catch up from this time. 685 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: But if you believe that is the case, and it 686 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: sounds like by that time you will be earning a 687 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: lot of money and your kids will be in school, 688 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: so your childcare bills will probably fall, then that's fine. 689 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: It's okay to look at this all over a longer 690 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: period of time. 691 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and math wise, I mean, assuming that you are 692 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 2: putting this money into your career and you do end 693 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 2: up with a higher earning salary, I can't imagine the 694 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 2: math not working out in your favor. Yeah, you know, 695 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 2: even if whatever you're saving doubles. I mean, if it's 696 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 2: at the expense of you getting and enjoying life, earning 697 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 2: more later down the line, I don't I don't think 698 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 2: it would work out. 699 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost you. Yeah, enjoy life. That's our takeaway 700 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: from this listener question. All right, So this episode, Sarah 701 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: has been interviewing Marcia Simms about clothing and style as 702 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: a form of self care and self respect. We will 703 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: be back next week with more on making work and 704 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: life fit together. 705 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 706 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 707 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 2: and you. 708 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 709 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 710 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: us next time for more on making work and life 711 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: work together.