1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Talking Politics. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: I'm your host ess Cuff And if you like this episode, 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: go back and listen to some of our previous Talking 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Politics pods. They're great conversations with really interesting guests and 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: not just the normal fare of lawmakers and pundits, so 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: we love them too. Last week I talked to a 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 2: Danish reporter about Trump's Greenland push and. 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: How they see us now. 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This week's is 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: with Real housewife Heather Dubrow. So, as you can tell, 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: we do a little high, a little low broad spectrum 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: of things here in the Off the Cup universe. We've 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: got you covered. Okay, Onto Talking Politics. A lot of 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: movement in Minnesota this week following the shooting death of 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: VA nurse Alex Pretty. The Trump administration is reportedly in 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: a drawdown. There have been some personnel moves. They removed 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: controversial Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino. They replaced him and 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: DHS Secretary Christy Nome with borders are Tom Holman. 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: And here's what Holman. 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: Had to say when he arrived in Minneapolis late this week. 29 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: That said, I'm not here because of the federal goummans 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: carritis mission out perfectly. First thing I said to senior 31 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: staff and I walked in here, this is what I 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: told you. I come here with n photo officer headlines, 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: come here looking for solutions. I do not want to 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: hear that everything's been done here has been perfect. Nothing's 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: ever perfect. Anything would be improved on. And what we've 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: been working on is making this operation shafer, more efficient. 37 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 3: By the book, the mission is going to improve because 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: of the changes we're making it Internally. No agency organization 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: is perfect. The President Trump and I, along with others 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: in administration, have recognized that certain improvements could and should 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: be made. That's exactly what I'm doing here. 42 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: Okay. 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 2: That is certainly a far cry from the bombastic macho 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: rhetoric we've been hearing from officials previously. Remember when we 45 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: heard a lot of like fafo from the defenders of 46 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: Trump's ice tactics. Well, now Holman's admitting they made mistakes, 47 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: it wasn't perfect. It needs to change, and he announced 48 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 2: the advent of a draw down plan, didn't give any 49 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: specifics that would reduce the number of agents in the area. 50 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: He repeated several times, Yes, we're drawing troops down, but 51 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: hold on because just a few hours later, Trump was 52 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: at a screening of the new Millennia movie Gross and 53 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: was asked about that exact thing. Take a listen, Well, 54 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: you keep pulling back immigration enforcement agents out of Minnesota to. 55 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Keep our country saved. 56 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: We'll do whatever we can to keep our country saved. 57 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, pulling back? 58 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: No, No, not at all. But so I'm confused. 59 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: The personnel changes, the new rhetoric all implies a new tactic. 60 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: In Minneapolis. 61 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: But will there be or is this just as I suspect, 62 00:03:53,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: window dressing, a change in pr strategy not actual tactics. Look, 63 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: Trump is being pulled in two different directions here, the 64 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: hardliners in his base, the Stephen Miller's the Steve bannons. 65 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: They want the Insurrection Act invoked. They want the ICE 66 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: deportations to carry on exactly as they have been. They 67 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: don't want to change. But others, including Republican lawmakers, are 68 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: very worried about how this is all playing out, as 69 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: they should be. It's an election year and Trump's approval 70 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: on immigration is very, very bad. It's why Republican lawmaker 71 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: Mike Lawler wrote an op ed in the New York 72 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: Times of all places, saying what Trump's been doing is 73 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: not working. It's why you have folks in right wing 74 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: media calling this a pr disaster, even on Fox. 75 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: Listen to Sean Hannity a few nights ago. 76 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 4: How is Ice perfect or not? Can they do a 77 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: better job? They can do? I think that, you know, 78 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 4: some of the optics at times. Do I think that 79 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 4: going in to home depots and arresting people there's a 80 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: good idea? 81 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 5: I don't. 82 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: I mean, wow, that is a far cry from where 83 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: the right has been largely with Trump on this issue. Now, look, 84 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: these guys aren't critical out of principle. 85 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: Okay, they're critical because they see how it's playing. 86 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: It's not popular, it's not working, it's endangering Republicans' majority 87 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: and could even impact twenty twenty eight. The question is 88 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: who does Trump care more about. Does he want to 89 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: appease the far right, the Jan Sixers, the Proud Boys, 90 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: the Oathkeepers, the nationalists, the Bannons and Millers, or does 91 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: he want to do right by Republicans in twenty twenty six? 92 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: Does he want to reassure his own voters that he 93 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: has focused on the things they elected him to do, 94 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: because right now, with his insane obsession with Greenland, the 95 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: Venezuela stuff, the ballrooms, the Kennedy Center, it doesn't feel 96 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: like he's focused at all on the economy. And his 97 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: immigration strategy has turned from deeporting criminals, which was popular, 98 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: to killing US citizens, which surprise is not. So my take, 99 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six is going to be a bloodbath. You 100 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: remember we had Steve israel On not long ago. He's 101 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: a former congressman, but he was also chair of the 102 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: d trip C, so he knows all about midterm election math. 103 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: And remember he said the time that storylines get cemented 104 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: for voters is around the holidays before an election, because 105 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: you know why, they're thinking could I afford Christmas presents? 106 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: This year was travel affordable and efficient or was it 107 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: expensive and exhausting my lawmakers back in my district. Does 108 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: he seem to feel my pain? Or is he just 109 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: talking over me. It's not the week before the election, 110 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: it's now that voters are defining the stakes, and voters, 111 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: I'll remind you, are coming off a very long and 112 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: painful government shutdown. Trump's dumb tariffs have made the cost 113 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: of goods and cost of living go up. There's no jobs, 114 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: there's no affordable housing. Trump's adventures overseas have been embarrassing 115 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 2: for the United States and distractions for the America First crowd. 116 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: The ice raids have brought terrible optics. And let's not 117 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: forget they still haven't. 118 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: Released the Epstein files. 119 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: So if these are the ingredients for a midterm election year, buyabase. 120 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: Dude, this soup stinks. 121 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: It's rotten, the fish has turned okay, And to Steve 122 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: Israel's point, there's not a lot of time to course 123 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 2: correct on any of this. You can't flip a switch 124 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: and suddenly farmers are selling soybeans again. That's not how 125 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: that works. So I think twenty twenty six is going 126 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: to be historically embarrassingly, significantly bad. For Republicans and Trump, 127 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: and I'm telling you a lot of Republicans know it. Okay, 128 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: after the break, I'll talk to a friend about all 129 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: of this and the twenty twenty eight elections when we return. 130 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: Welcome back to talking politics. I'm joined now by a 131 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: friend and colleague. Jamal Simmons is a CNN contributor, author 132 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: of the Kill the Spider substack, and co host of Trailblaze, 133 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: the first major podcast focused exclusively on the twenty twenty 134 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: eight presidential campaign. 135 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: Jamal, I love that. 136 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: I love that you're doing a pod this early because 137 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: the race is already underway. 138 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: As you know, the. 139 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 5: Race is on right. 140 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, we decided we were thinking about all 141 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 6: the things that were happening, and lots of people were 142 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 6: talking about it, but we thought, let's get in early. 143 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 6: Let's dig in on somebody's candidets, sot's see what they're 144 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 6: up to. There are all kinds of mechanations that are 145 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 6: happening that people might want to know about. 146 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 5: Who went to. 147 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: Iowa and oh totally, the DNC. 148 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 5: Calendar is going to look like all kind of stuff 149 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 5: people need to know. 150 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 2: It's really good stuff. And I want to talk to 151 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: you about twenty twenty eight. But first let's just talk 152 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: about this week. You heard a change in tone, We've 153 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: seen a change in personnel, but do you expect a 154 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: real change in the way that ICE is doing this 155 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: in Minneapolis and other places? 156 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 5: You know, the tail is in the tape, right, Let's 157 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 5: see what it all looks like. 158 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 6: Tom Homan is there. Obviously he's got a better face on. 159 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 6: He's wearing a business suit and not a you know, 160 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 6: shopbocoo costume. And if you have not seen John Stewart 161 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 6: take this on, people should go look at it so 162 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 6: we'll see what it looks like in real life. What 163 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 6: I know is that the American public is losing confidence 164 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 6: in how ICE is doing its job. People still support 165 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 6: keeping ICE right, like there's a majority support that says, 166 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 6: don't abolish it. But when you take a look and 167 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 6: you ask people questions, like, you know, are they being 168 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 6: too tough? Sixty one percent of people in a Yuka 169 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 6: pole said yes, they're being too tough. Fifty five percent 170 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 6: of people say, in the roving patrol, just stop harassing. 171 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 5: People and picking them up in front of me. 172 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 6: I saw a guy. They picked this guy up, or 173 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 6: I stopped him. He was at a gas station Somali 174 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 6: of Somali descent. He was at a gas station in 175 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 6: Minneapolis pumping gas. They walked up to him asked him 176 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 6: for his ID, so he shows them his driver's license 177 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 6: and then the guy says, well, where were you born? 178 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 6: And he said, well, why does that matter? He says, 179 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 6: are you naturalized or are you an American? Last I checked, 180 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 6: I thought if you were naturalized, you were an American. 181 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 5: I'm not sure those things are legal. 182 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: That's crazy, So. 183 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 5: Most people want that kind of stuff to stop, right. 184 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: That's crazy. You know. 185 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: I had Max Rose on the pod earlier, but I 186 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: was with him last night on CNN and he said 187 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: something sort of obvious but but also really interesting, which 188 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: is that like, while people respect police, they don't respect 189 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: ICE as law enforcement anymore. 190 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: They don't see them as law enforcement. 191 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: They see them as like a paramilitary operation and organization. 192 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: And that's a really, I think important point, because you're right, 193 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: people largely don't want to abolish ICE, but they are 194 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: separating ICE from law enforcement now. 195 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: They don't see them the same way. 196 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 5: No, that's right. 197 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 6: And here's what's smart about what the Democrats are doing, 198 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 6: because you know, the party that I've been a member 199 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 6: of is not always smart when it comes to how 200 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 6: we do this kind of particularly law enforcement, crime and justice, 201 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 6: right right. But what they're doing now is they're associating 202 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 6: themselves with these policies we were talking about in the 203 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 6: roving patrols, banning masks, that kind of thing. They're associating 204 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 6: themselves with that which are super popular. Fifty six, fifty five, 205 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 6: sixty seventy eighty percent of people are on that side. 206 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 5: So they're on that side of the issue. 207 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 6: And let Trump and his friends kind of defend the 208 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 6: twenty percent position if they want to, a thirty percent 209 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 6: position if they want to. The Democrats are saying, no, 210 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 6: the majority of Americans want to rein this in let's 211 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 6: do that. 212 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm just worried. 213 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if you heard this, but there 214 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: was a directive to no longer for ice officers agents 215 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: to no longer engage and talk to protesters. Now, I 216 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: think that's because they were saying some ridiculous, awful things 217 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: that made for terrible optics, Like they were threatening protesters. 218 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: And you know, you had one guy who like mooned protesters. 219 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: You have other guys shown clapping after you know, some 220 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: kind of violent episode. That that's good, But that makes 221 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: me worried that they're more interested in changing the pr 222 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 2: than actually changing tactics. 223 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: What do you think. 224 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 6: Look when Renee Good was shot three times twice from 225 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 6: the side as she drove past a pleat Ice officer 226 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 6: or immigration officer, you can hear on his camera that 227 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 6: he had in his hand. Somebody call her a effing bitch. Yes, 228 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 6: we assume it may have been him. Let's the investigation 229 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 6: determined who it was. But it was him or one 230 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 6: of his compatriots as they shot her with baby seats 231 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 6: in the back seat of her car and her barking 232 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 6: in the window. Yeah, they called her an effing bitch. Yeah, right, 233 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 6: So that alone tells you like how they're approaching these protesters. 234 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 6: I saw a video of a guy pushed down to 235 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 6: the ground. He was being handcuffed in the back of 236 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 6: the car. ICE agent came in and pepper sprayed him. 237 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 6: He was already down in the back of a car. 238 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 6: Pepper sprayed him in his face to the point where 239 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 6: another ICE agent had to push his hand away because 240 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 6: he knew it was too much. 241 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 5: Right, So, these guys who are supposed to. 242 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 6: Be the most professional who are dealing with the American public. 243 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 6: Don't tell me they just got a short fuse because 244 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 6: they've been harassed all day. That's their job, right, They're 245 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 6: not public, they're not greeting people at Arby's, right, like 246 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 6: this is their job. Was just to interact with the 247 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 6: public and keep us safe, keep us safe, as it 248 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 6: suposed to be their job. 249 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 5: And so they're not able to do that. 250 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 6: They should take a time out, come back in a 251 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 6: couple of days, do whatever they have to do to 252 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 6: get their minds right. But they can't be on the 253 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 6: street harassing American citizens following their constitutional riots. 254 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: I think the story is still unfolding, Like I don't 255 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: think this is over, and I think there's going to 256 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: be a lot more to watch. Dems have been smart 257 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: on this, although although some Dems have been calling to 258 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: abolish ICE. It's an understandable reaction, but politically not smart. 259 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: My friend David Axelrod was out warning Democrats against this. 260 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: The other day. 261 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: People like Alyssa Slockin in Michigan are cautioning, like, we 262 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: need law enforcement, we need ICE, maybe some changes, but 263 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: don't do which message is going to win in the midterms. 264 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: Do you think for the Democrats. 265 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 6: You know, for some people, it's gonna this argument of 266 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 6: abolishing ice is going to matter. 267 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: Right, The cold is going to be a party test 268 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: for something. 269 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 5: And people are going to love it. 270 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 6: Also, it helps in politics sometimes to have somebody who's 271 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 6: a little further out than you, who's calling for something 272 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 6: that you don't necessarily want to be because it makes 273 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 6: you look pretty reasonable, right when you say let's not 274 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 6: abolish it, let's just reform it, right, it makes you 275 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 6: look reasonable. So sometimes the politics of this are kind 276 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 6: of a two step help matter, right, And because you've 277 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 6: got the people on the far right or I don't 278 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 6: even want to call them right because it just feels 279 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 6: like a fringe extreme of something else, like that's happening 280 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 6: over there, authoritarianism, whatever that's happening over there. Who think 281 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 6: that it's okay now for the police to be able 282 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 6: to shoot American citizens who aren't threatening them, like you 283 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 6: know Alex Pretty, who I just wrote about this in 284 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 6: my substec because these from Renee Good, Alex Pretty. They 285 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 6: are part of a tradition of Americans like Viola Luzo, 286 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 6: who in the Civil Rights movement was a white woman 287 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 6: from Michigan who was killed by the Ku Klux Klan 288 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 6: when she went to Alabama to try to help African 289 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 6: Americans get voting rights in the nineteen sixties ninety sixty five. 290 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 5: Right, she was killed by the clan when she did that. 291 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 6: Americans who put themselves on the line fighting for people 292 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 6: that they don't previously know, communities they're not a member of, 293 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 6: but they believe their soul, their spirit, their moral beliefs 294 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 6: call them to stand up for what they think is right. 295 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 6: And when those people die in pursuit of that, that 296 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 6: is the kind of heroism I want my children to emulate. 297 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 6: And it doesn't matter to the color of the skin 298 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 6: of the person who has it. But we all need 299 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 6: to be thinking about those people and not the ones 300 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 6: who are doing the shooting. 301 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and not the assholes, right. 302 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: I mean this Greg Bovino character, who I didn't know 303 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: before this, you know, and I you know, I know 304 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: folks obviously, I know lots of folks in law enforcement 305 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: and that whole apparatus. I didn't know Greg Bovino. But Jamal, 306 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: can I tell you something, Yeah, because we're friends. 307 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 308 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: One of my favorite things is when people who are 309 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: irrelevant act important. Did you see his weird Mount Rushmore 310 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: message that he just posted on someone else's ex account 311 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: because his official accounts were taken away. 312 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: Did you see this? 313 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 5: I didn't see it. 314 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna play it. We're gonna play it right now. 315 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 7: Team behind me or a few individuals there. That's the 316 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 7: original turn and burn, the folks that help make America. 317 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 5: But you know what, I'm very proud. 318 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 7: Of what you the mean Green Machine, are doing in 319 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 7: Mini plus right now, just like you've done it across 320 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 7: the United States over these past tough nine months. And 321 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 7: I want you to know that you're the modern day 322 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 7: equivalent turn and Burn. Makes me very proud. Also wants 323 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 7: you to know that I've got your back now and always. 324 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 7: I love you, I support you, and I salute you. 325 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: Okay, nobody cares. Nobody cares. 326 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: This dude doesn't go see you in Trump world. When 327 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: you're out, you're out. You no longer matter. He is 328 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: a big player and he's acting like he was fucking 329 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 2: Washington crossing the Delaware. 330 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: How delusional is this? 331 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 5: No? It absolutely is, And. 332 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 6: You know, I think it should be a message to everyone. 333 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 6: Right there is finally a limit. You can't just you 334 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 6: can't just craft the people. And obviously the president is 335 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 6: not going to be embarrassed by you. I mean, that's 336 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 6: one thing that we do know. Donald Trump will only 337 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 6: be embarrassed by you for so long before he tells 338 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 6: you you got to find somewhere else to go. 339 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 5: Sorry. 340 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's still he thinks he's a hero in 341 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: this story. Like you, will be remembered. I'm telling you, 342 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: I just heard about him like three days ago. I 343 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: will forget him even quicker. 344 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 6: No, it's totally true. And his coat, remember that coach. 345 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 6: You see the pictures of him in the coat. It's 346 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 6: like from Empire strikes back. 347 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: Oh I do. 348 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: It was insane. He was like cause playing a gestapo. Yeah, 349 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: leader insane. I hope he's dustbin of history today. 350 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: Dustbin. 351 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: But I have to say, Jamal, on the other side 352 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: of this coin might be uncomfortable for you. Sure, But 353 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: on the other side of this coin, Hillary Clinton penned 354 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: a six thousand word essay in The Atlantic Today. It's 355 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: titled Maga's War on Empathy. It is beautifully written. I 356 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 2: agree with most of it. But Jamal, is Hillary Clinton 357 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: a relevant voice anymore? Does anyone outside of the old 358 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: Democratic consultant class care what she says. 359 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm being serious. 360 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 6: Listen, there are Americans who do see Hillary Clinton as 361 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 6: kind of as an avatar, right, first woman nominee of 362 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 6: a major party. You know, she had all the jobs 363 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 6: that one could have. It's actually a state senator, all 364 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 6: the things, forget about first So there are people who 365 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 6: view her as a voice, and she has a right 366 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 6: to say her story, to speak her peace. Now, the 367 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 6: question is what happens to that piece? 368 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 5: Right? 369 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 6: Do Democrats then posted on the website and circulated among 370 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 6: all the people and go on all those shows and 371 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 6: talk about it. That might be a little too far. 372 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 6: I don't know if everybody else in the country is 373 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 6: looking for that, right, but I will I will say this. 374 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 6: It is interesting how and maybe there's a strategy around 375 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 6: this that I'm not privy to. How few of the 376 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 6: people who are thinking about national leadership have really weighed 377 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 6: in in a big way. I mean, we saw a 378 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 6: Reverend Rafael Warnock, senator from Georgia. We saw him go 379 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 6: out to Minneapolis this week, But we haven't seen peotele 380 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 6: Buda Judge out. 381 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: There or say more. That's interesting. 382 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 6: We haven't seen my old boss, Kamala Harris hasn't been 383 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 6: out there. You know, we haven't seen any of these 384 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 6: people show up. You would think they would show up 385 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 6: at marches and rallies and like even silently. 386 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 5: Protest or whatever, and we haven't seen that. 387 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 6: And I think this is going to matter in a 388 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 6: Democratic primary because I think Democrats are now saying to 389 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 6: each other, I don't care about all the like political machinations. 390 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 6: If you believe in something, stand up, show up, speak up, 391 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 6: and let us hear from you. I think Americans in 392 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 6: general seem to like that. I mean, Donald Trump, That's 393 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 6: how he runs, So let's have more of it. 394 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: That's a really interesting point and a great segue into 395 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, which I do want to talk about. 396 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: Why do you think because I haven't considered that, Why 397 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: do you think people like Pete and Kamala, who we 398 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: imagine have twenty twenty eight ambitions, Why. 399 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: Do you think they haven't. 400 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 6: You know, it could be that people decided that would 401 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 6: politicize it too much last week, and maybe if you 402 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 6: did that, people who you know weren't Democrats, didn't you 403 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 6: know they they may feel funny if they had to 404 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 6: get on the same side as Kamala. Harris that might 405 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 6: make it a little funkier. So that could be a reason, 406 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 6: which totally makes sense to me. But they should be 407 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 6: speaking up where they are. I think Americans want leaders 408 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 6: who are going to speak up and say this and 409 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 6: look broad based. I mean, if Sean Hannity, jeez's Sean 410 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 6: Hannity right right, if he can speak up, I think 411 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 6: Amia Harris can speak up, right. 412 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: That's that's an excellent point. And we'll watch to see. 413 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 2: Now that we're getting some distance from the shooting. Uh, 414 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: maybe they feel more permission to yea, to sort of, 415 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: you know, bring the politics of it all into it. Okay, 416 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: I want to talk twenty twenty eight. I think I 417 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: told you this. 418 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm on the rom Com train for now. Can he win? 419 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: You can be honest? Can you win? 420 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 5: Wait? Wait, wait, tell me me the rom Com train? 421 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 5: Am I am? I missing out on some U current, 422 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 5: So that's what I'm buying. 423 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: Train already had him on this this podcast. I also 424 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: interviewed him on Off the Combo. I very some very 425 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: long conversations with him. I like the way he's talking 426 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: about issues. He's a Democrat for me, but obviously I'm 427 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: not a majority anywhere in this in this country. 428 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: But can he win? 429 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 6: You know, I saw him recently at a kind of 430 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 6: a private event, and I think people people were very 431 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 6: enamored by him, right. They like that he's kind of 432 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 6: a blunt speaking person. He's someone who calls it like 433 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 6: he sees it. He pushed back actually at there was 434 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 6: somebody in the room who I think was a little 435 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 6: bit more of a defender. It was kind of he 436 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 6: pushed back on somebody who you would think he would 437 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 6: have been, he would have been on the same side. 438 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 6: He pushed back on them in a way that I 439 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 6: thought was very effective in the room, which I think 440 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 6: people admired. Now the question is, and we just don't 441 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 6: know it, is our Americans looking for kind of an 442 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 6: adult in the room. Are they looking for somebody who's 443 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 6: going to be standing there and be the you know, 444 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 6: a person who's had all the all the important jobs. 445 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: That's him. He's had every job, He's. 446 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 5: At every job. 447 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 6: Or are they looking for somebody who's going to be 448 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 6: like blunt chicken and a little like whatever, like Trumpy. 449 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 6: Are gonna are looking for more of a Gavin Newsome, 450 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 6: but maybe not Gavin maybe Gavin style. 451 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: Okay, you know, more more are they looking for like 452 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: a mom Donnie, like a happy warrior or a happy warrior. 453 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 5: Right. Ron does not give you happy warrior. No, say 454 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 5: that you don't get I'm aware. 455 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 1: I'm self aware. I know that. 456 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 6: Yep, you get effective. Right, He's one of the most 457 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 6: effective people in politics. He's one congressional races. You know, 458 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 6: he ran the teacher will see he you know, obviously 459 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 6: was Obama's fst chief. 460 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: Stat and an ambassador. I mean he's done literally. 461 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 5: All the things mayor of Chicago. 462 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 6: So he's got all the things that Now the question is, though, 463 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 6: are American is going to be looking for somebody who's 464 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 6: super responsible or somebody who is a fresh voice, exciting, 465 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 6: exciting new ideas, big energy. 466 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: You know, I think you just defined the state of 467 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: the race for Democrats. I think that is going to 468 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: be exactly the question. In addition to issues, it's going 469 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: to be the kind of person that Democrats are looking for. 470 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: And I know so for me, the rise of the 471 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: NATSEC mom on the left. 472 00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: Is a very cool story. 473 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: It really appeals to me, and I think it appeals 474 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: to a lot of moderates, independents, even center right folks 475 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: who want permission to vote for a DEM. 476 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a great entree. They don't want to. 477 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: Burnie dem but they want you know, they're not they're 478 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: over Republicans. So people like Alyssa Slotkin, Abigail Spamberg or 479 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: Mikey Cheryl. I think they've been the story for a 480 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: reason because they are that bridge candidate. People feel like 481 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: they're responsible, they're normal, they're common sense, but they're good people. 482 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: Will the Democratic Party elevate those kinds of people? 483 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 6: Oh, I think so and so, And you know, here's 484 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 6: what's funny is they also aren't waiting around for permission. 485 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 6: Like that's the other part, right, Alissa Slotkin is not 486 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 6: waiting for somebody to ask her to go do something important. 487 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 6: She's just writting out there and doing it. And I 488 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 6: know for a fact she's going around, she's recruiting candidates, 489 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 6: she's helping people raise money, she's like sharing you know, 490 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 6: intel from her races. Oh yeah, oh yeah, she's out 491 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 6: there helping people other Democrats who kind of have this 492 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 6: summer positioning as her. And you know, I'm a little 493 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 6: prejudiced because I'm from Michigan and she's from Michigan. 494 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 5: And yeah, I love her, but I think. 495 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 6: That This is one of these things that people want 496 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 6: to see somebody who's going to stand up and say it. 497 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 6: The other person who's on that train for me and 498 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 6: people can argue about his future. But Mark Kelly, I 499 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 6: just think you sure. Mark Kelly to me is the 500 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 6: is the dowsing of the Trump flame in a way 501 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 6: that is super responsible. He's admirable astronaut, fighter pilot. You 502 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 6: know what great story would we have if Gabby Giffers 503 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 6: became the first Lady of the United States? Talk about 504 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 6: something that everybody could dig into and buy into. 505 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: A world should become president. But we'll take her as 506 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 2: first lady. 507 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: Sure tell it? 508 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 6: So. I just think I think Mark Kelly is somebody 509 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 6: who you talk about national security. Let's the slock and 510 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 6: I put on that list, Mike Cheryl, all of them 511 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 6: I put on the list. I would also add Mark 512 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 6: Kelly because every day Donald Trump comes from Mark Kelly 513 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 6: is a name. Mark Kelly rises as a possible contender. 514 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: No, you're right, And I when I saw news that 515 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: he was exploring a twenty two twenty one, I was like, oh, 516 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: he absolutely should. Like Trump has made him famous in 517 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: the best way for him, And I know a lot 518 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: of people in Arizona politics. He is very popular. He 519 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: is popular with Republicans in Arizona. 520 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 6: I mean, look, hes he tickles all the things, right, 521 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 6: he's like military. 522 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 5: I mean I said to my this was my test. 523 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 6: So when he was running for when they were thinking 524 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 6: about the vice presidential candidates and his name was on 525 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 6: the list. Yeah, I asked my seven year old son. 526 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 6: I just started reading off people's qualifications to him. I said, 527 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 6: stop me, you know, whatever you want. 528 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 5: And I was like. 529 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 6: Governor, the Senator, that astronaut. He was like, huh astronaut. Yeah, right, 530 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 6: everybody inside of us, male or female, we all have 531 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 6: a little of a little internal like love affair with 532 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 6: an astronaut. 533 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, yeah. I think he'll for sure get 534 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: in before though. Are DEM's going to go down impeachment road? 535 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: And if they do, do you think that ultimately hurts them? 536 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 6: I think you are going to see more impeach and 537 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 6: efforts at these cabinet secretaries. I think there is definitely 538 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 6: impeachment hunger first right on the left. And I think 539 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 6: that people, I think the leadership knows going after Trump 540 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 6: and the impeachment might make us feel better, but won't 541 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 6: actually produce anything. But you could go after a Christy Nome. 542 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 6: Maybe one day you go after Hecseth. There are a 543 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 6: couple of these cabinet secretaries that are clearly incompetent and 544 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 6: are making big mistakes, and maybe some Republicans might join 545 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 6: us to at least push them to resign. I don't 546 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 6: think we ever get to somebody being impeached, but maybe 547 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 6: it gets to be so hard for Trump to keep 548 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 6: them around than they find something. 549 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 5: More interesting to do. 550 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: They're just easier to let him go. 551 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, back to twenty twenty eight. Is it Gavin Newsome 552 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 2: at the top right now? 553 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 5: It is? It is, and people feel that way. 554 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 6: I think the reason why he's at the top, though, 555 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 6: is because what people will say is I think he's fearless, right, 556 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 6: there's nothing he won't do, and they think that he 557 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 6: is playing Trump's game. I think Democrats have felt so 558 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 6: beaten down by Trump, you know, online social media assault, 559 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 6: that somebody who's you know, just making Trump have to 560 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 6: answer for it and feels good. 561 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 5: And also, I'll tell you Donald Trump doesn't really. 562 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 6: Talk about Gavin that much anymore, like he it feels like, 563 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 6: maybe I don't know, like he doesn't really want to 564 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 6: engage him, because you know it might be too tough. 565 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 6: He also doesn't talk about Alc either, and like Alc 566 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 6: is somebody who plays on his same field. 567 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 5: Social media. 568 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 6: I think he knows, like he doesn't want to get 569 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 6: into a scrap with those folks on social media too often. 570 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: I know, the Gavin stuff feels good. You just said 571 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: that feels good to them. I get I get that. 572 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: But another California, you know, coastal elite, wealthy. Yeah, yeah, Like, 573 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: I just don't know that. That's putting aside my dislike 574 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: of him. I can put that aside just looking at 575 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: the politics of it, the horse race, candidate selection. 576 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: Is he really the best idea for Dems? 577 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 5: You know, it's hard to know. 578 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 6: I will say this, don't bet against good looking, rich 579 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 6: white guys in America. 580 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: I've learned not to. 581 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 6: There's a there's a long history of good looking, rich 582 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 6: white guys doing pretty well. 583 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: But he feels like a John Edwards to me, and 584 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: feels like a John Edwards to me. 585 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 5: Here's what I think about Gavin. 586 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 6: I don't know if he's the guy, but I think 587 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 6: he is teaching us something about how to engage in 588 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 6: the modern political warfare. 589 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 5: That Democrats should pay attention to. 590 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 6: And you don't have to get down the dirt and 591 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 6: be you know, and be a teenager like him sometimes. 592 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 6: But but there is something about your campaign learning how 593 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 6: to fight back fast, you know, be creative, you know, 594 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 6: get in the Republicans' faces, and then how to make 595 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 6: that happen like a across the board and in social 596 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 6: media the way Mam Donnie, Mom, Donny and his friends 597 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 6: were able to sort of surround people. 598 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 5: With his images and his ideas. I think that's something 599 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 5: that's important. 600 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: You're so smart, and I love talking to you because 601 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: you're also honest. You're honest about you know what democrats 602 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: need to do, and so I you know, I hope 603 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: people really trust you when you talk on your pods 604 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: and and your sub stack and when you come on 605 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: CNN with me, because honest brokers are few and far between, 606 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: and you're one of them, and you're really smart. You 607 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. So thanks for coming on. 608 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: We end every Talk in Politics with an exit poll. 609 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: It's three questions of varying degrees of seriousness. So the 610 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: first question is what is your favorite movie about politics? 611 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I appreciate you. Thank you for 612 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 6: having me on. I feel the same way about you. 613 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 6: You know, I've been a fan of yours actually back 614 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 6: when you were on other networks. 615 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 5: The one person on Fox that would stop me to 616 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 5: like watch. 617 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: Exactly, but I was okay on MSNBC that so like. 618 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 5: I loved it all. But so thank you for having me. 619 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 5: I feel the same. 620 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 1: So. 621 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 5: But my favorite movie at the. 622 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: Candidate Candidate's great candidates Redford. 623 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 6: Redford pretty much almost anything with Robert Redford. I think 624 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 6: he's one of the great actors of our time, of 625 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 6: the century, the last century. Uh So, I'd like the 626 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 6: hand It. 627 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 5: It's a great movie. 628 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: Well, Canada's a perfect movie. It's great. 629 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, and it shows the fact you is. There's so 630 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 6: many I mean, I could go on about it forever. 631 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 6: There's so many different scenes about it. And at the 632 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 6: end where he's just like, so what do I do now? Right, 633 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 6: like you spent all this time invested in trying to 634 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 6: win this thing, and then fine, like, oh wait, did 635 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 6: I really want this thing that I really fought my 636 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 6: right time for and so much of us like I 637 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 6: don't know I have that in my life sometimes, like 638 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 6: oh I believe one thing, and then I have it 639 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh, what did I want to do? 640 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: I actually enjoy this, I know totally. 641 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: It really humanizes politics that movie in a I think 642 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: an important way. Okay, who is someone on the other 643 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: side of the aisle that you admire? 644 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 5: These days. 645 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 6: It gets a little tough for where is the ale? 646 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 6: I don't know where the moving around? 647 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: Right? 648 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 5: You know? 649 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 6: Look, I I the person I'll say the most is 650 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 6: Liz Cheney, even though I disagree with her almost everything 651 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 6: about her policy positions. I know how hard it is 652 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 6: to take on your friends, you know, and this is 653 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 6: something you say this in democratic rooms with a lot 654 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 6: of activists or I'll giving people credit for but it's 655 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 6: hard to take on your friends and your family with 656 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 6: something that everybody in your world believes, and then you 657 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 6: have to be the one that says this is not right, 658 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 6: this is not good. And that just showed to me 659 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 6: an incredible amount of fortitude and courage. 660 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 5: And I just give her a lot of credit for. 661 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: That, an honor. Yeah, putting country before party, and. 662 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 6: In a real way, right like putting country before party, 663 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 6: not just as a slogan. I'm willing to take my hit. 664 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: It's a significant hit. 665 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 6: Right, I'm going to take a really huge hit for this, 666 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 6: but I know my children and history are going to 667 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 6: look back at this and say that was the right call. 668 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: Exactly. Okay, And finally, how do we save our democracy? 669 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 5: Jamal, and you got fifteen seconds left? Right, exactly? Listen. 670 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 6: I think there's a couple of things we've got to 671 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 6: be focused on. What's going to happen to young people. 672 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 6: This is the thing I've been believe spending a lot 673 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 6: of time on because we've got fifty four million Americans 674 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 6: between the age of eighteen and twenty nine. They have 675 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 6: three hundred and twenty plus billion dollars in student debt. 676 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 6: They are fifty one percent of them, more than half 677 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 6: of them are living at home. Sixty percent of them 678 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 6: don't believe that the American dream is something that they're going. 679 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 5: To be able to achieve. 680 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 6: Like, if we don't figure out how to get them launched, 681 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 6: how to get them the things they need so they 682 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 6: can get from high school into home ownership and family 683 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 6: and all the things that we all value as a society, 684 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 6: then the next it doesn't matter. Like the next fifty 685 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 6: years are going to suck right for the country. Yeah, 686 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 6: So we really have to figure out. I would invest 687 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 6: everything in people eighteen to twenty nine and maybe even 688 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 6: teenagers in high school. 689 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 5: We figure that out. 690 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 6: But it also helps their parents, right, because if you 691 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 6: get somebody out of your house like who, you know what, 692 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 6: parent wouldn't want to have their twenty five year old 693 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 6: right living their life. 694 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 5: So you know, we've got to figure out how we 695 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 5: get them launched and how we get them going. 696 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 6: And if that means it is going to cost the 697 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 6: US to us a little bit of money, I'd rather 698 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 6: pay money to get these kids going because I know 699 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 6: that's going to pay off for the country than to 700 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 6: spend it doing whatever they're going into Iran or Venezuela 701 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 6: or Cuba wherever else we've got to Greenland, whatever else 702 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 6: place we're going to take. 703 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: I love that and I will just done by saying 704 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 2: Rob Emmanuel has a plan for our young people. People 705 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: can go check it out. I don't work for him yet, 706 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 2: maybe one day I will. Jamal Simmons, thank you so much, 707 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 2: and people can check you out. I know I start 708 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 2: at the beginning, but go ahead and tell people where 709 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: they can find you. 710 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, on kill the spider is the substack. And then 711 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 6: Our podcast is called Trailblaze. It's on the Politocon Network 712 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 6: and you can hear us. 713 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: Usually every Tuesday talking about twenty twenty eight. 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