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Speaker 1: I'm Devin mccordy and this is NFL Players Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: What up everybody. I'm Peanut Tooman and this is the

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Speaker 3: NFL Players Second Act Podcast. And I'm a little solo

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Speaker 3: today right now. My co host Rome was supposed to

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Speaker 3: be here, but yeah, he double booked and he left

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Speaker 3: me alone. But that's okay. Thank you all for tuning in.

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Speaker 3: Please give us a rating, give us five stars. We're

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Speaker 3: here in the iHeartRadio Steals in New York. It's going down.

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Speaker 3: I got a great guess. His bio was like super long,

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Speaker 3: so let me read this off. Played thirteen years in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, all with the New England Patriots, started two

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Speaker 3: hundred and five games during his time there, three time

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Speaker 3: three time All Pro, three times Super Bowl winning champion.

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Speaker 3: Now he's part of the Football Night and America crew

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Speaker 3: on NBC Sunday name Football Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

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Speaker 3: Devin mccordy to the show. So, uh yeah, man, what's

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Speaker 3: what's going on? We had your brother on the show

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Speaker 3: not too long ago. And first thing, first, who's the

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Speaker 3: better twin? That was one of the things we asked him.

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Speaker 3: He basically said, like and you can. You can tell

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Speaker 3: us if this is right or wrong. But he was saying,

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Speaker 3: he said he goes first on everything, like like Rutgers

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Speaker 3: wanted him and they only went They only wanted him

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Speaker 3: because or he went to Rutgers and he was trying

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Speaker 3: to get you to Rutgers too, So like we're just

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out who's the better twin? How competitive

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Speaker 3: were y'all? Like set the story straight and you get

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Speaker 3: the last word too, so you know.

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Speaker 2: I can't lie. He told some truths in there.

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Speaker 1: He he definitely goes first on something, some things on purpose,

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Speaker 1: like he got married first. I wasn't in a rush

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Speaker 1: to go do that, but sent him out to the

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Speaker 1: NFL First Test Awards.

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Speaker 2: Let me know what it's like.

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Speaker 1: I went back to school, had a better year than

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Speaker 1: he ever had at Rutgers. Then I became first rounder.

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Speaker 2: So he does it first, but I do it the best.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's how we That's how we explained it. He probably

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Speaker 1: leaves the second part out, uh because that's just how

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Speaker 1: he is. But it's been an awesome journey and it's

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Speaker 1: been funny to see how things work out. I got

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Speaker 1: to high school and football wise, I played on varsity

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Speaker 1: first as a sophomore. He played on varsity first and

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Speaker 1: basketball as a sophomore, and then going to college, every

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Speaker 1: school that you know offered him didn't offer me. Boston

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Speaker 1: College didn't offer me, Kent State didn't offer me.

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Speaker 2: They thought he was better. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Then fast forward to the NFL. I'm a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: He's a sixth round pick. Uh.

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Speaker 2: So the book is still out.

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Speaker 1: Now we're in a new space and life and media,

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Speaker 1: and we're still trying to figure.

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Speaker 2: Out now who's better on TV?

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Speaker 1: Super competitive and always cheer each other on and motivate

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Speaker 1: each other, but competitive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now he was saying, y'all hold each other accountable. So

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Speaker 3: this is the whole media gig that you were speaking of, Like,

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Speaker 3: how how has that been going for you?

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Speaker 2: It's been awesome.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that was due to him,

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Speaker 1: you know, asking questions watching him last year on Good

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Speaker 1: Morning Football, even his two auditions. You know, I watched

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Speaker 1: you know, during the year, as he was doing different things,

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Speaker 1: like all the things that were coming up, learning into

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Speaker 1: So he's really helped me a lot moving forward and

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Speaker 3: So one of the things that we spoke about was like,

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Speaker 3: have you ever had the opportunity to fool somebody?

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Speaker 1: We we didn't get to do that in classes because

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Speaker 1: can't take your test, you can't take my test. But actually,

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Speaker 2: I know this isn't Jason.

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Speaker 1: So the different times we've tried that, people make sure

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Speaker 3: But he was so he was saying, when you got drafted, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think you was getting You was nervous, right, you

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Speaker 3: went upstairs, take a shower, bath whatever, bathroom, take whatever,

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Speaker 3: and he was on the phone with mister Kraf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we ain't have enough time, So like, you can't,

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Speaker 2: That's a bad look for you. So he can't.

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Speaker 1: He answered the phone and mister Kraft was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know Robert Kraft, owner the New England Patriots. We

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Speaker 1: the phone. And that's as he was walking, he was like,

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Speaker 1: want to talk to Bill. That seems like a scary sight.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, man, Jason actually got drafted to the New

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Speaker 3: Oh that's hilarious. So he also said when when he

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Speaker 2: Bill? Bill still probably can't tell us apart.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, we meet people now and they're like,

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Speaker 2: You don't, you don't look a like.

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Speaker 1: But we were running hills one day during training camp

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Speaker 1: hill and Bill seasons and he's like, can you two

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Speaker 1: We get it, And we both started dying laughing. And

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Speaker 1: we played games a little bit on him. But I

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Speaker 3: But I want to talk about the Super Bowls. You

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Speaker 3: both suck. I've never gotten over losing the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: You've had the luxury of winning three of them. Joints, Right,

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Speaker 3: What's been your best super Bowl or which one has

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Speaker 3: been the most meaningful to you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know, but even as you say you lost too,

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Speaker 1: but that's what you think about most of the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: was it was definitely, you know, super Bowl fifty three

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Speaker 1: fast forward. Now you're at the pinnacle of your career,

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Speaker 1: like you made it to the NFL, which is already awesome,

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Speaker 1: and now we go out there Super Bowl Sunday and

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Speaker 1: we're doing our We're doing our five that we've been

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Speaker 2: Was awesome.

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Speaker 1: And then, you know, as you mentioned, watching him at

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Speaker 1: having two win seasons, three wins, three win seasons in Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: It was just it was cool for me.

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Speaker 3: And I like, I like how y'all. I like how

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I enjoyed that.

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Speaker 1: I kind of was looking at him like, man, if

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Speaker 1: there earlier and got an interception.

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Speaker 2: But you don't want to listen to your safety. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was running up the middle.

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Speaker 3: So Bill Belichick seems like he's a very fiery guy.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people when I was in Chicago, people

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Speaker 3: used to talk about Lovely Smith. How Lovely was just

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Speaker 3: like even kill every time, didn't yell, didn't scream, never cursed.

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Speaker 3: You know, we were losing one time and he was like, guys,

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Speaker 3: he just was like like a black ned Flanders all

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Speaker 3: as you know, like his personality, like we as players,

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Speaker 3: we really got to see the true lovey Smith, And

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Speaker 3: I mean a beautiful personality, beautiful man. Is Bill that way?

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Speaker 3: Has he or does he let his guard down like

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Speaker 3: with his players? Does he show like a personality?

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Speaker 1: Nah, he can be like that, but I think I

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Speaker 1: think it's kind of twofold. When he's in front of

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Speaker 1: only gonna say and do what helps our team win,

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Speaker 3: Why did you feel it was necessary for you to retire?

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Speaker 3: Time out, SA, say say that again. I don't think

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Speaker 1: But it's awesome to think of, you know, the ability

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Speaker 3: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be back.

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Speaker 2: In a minute.

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Speaker 3: It Yeah, So when I retired, I went to work

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Speaker 1: I think as athletes and you know, we've done that.

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Speaker 1: rest of March, April.

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Speaker 2: Beginning part of May. I'm kind of looking at my wife, like,

439
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Speaker 2: what we're gonna do.

440
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 1: We ain't got no well, got no offers because I

441
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 1: didn't want to just be stuck at home. My wife

442
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Speaker 1: hates if I'm just stuck at home all day because

443
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Speaker 1: she's like, when you're at home, you still think you

444
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: were captain in this house. I'm the captain like you

445
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: over here trying to say what to do that that

446
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 1: doesn't work here. So I think being able to be

447
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 1: regiment and get right back into it. But also, no,

448
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't have the schedule I had when I was playing.

449
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 1: I feel my schedule really doing nothing but passion projects

450
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: things that I enjoy, going to talk to high schools,

451
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 1: doing different things like that. So I think it's important.

452
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Speaker 1: I think one of the most important things is I

453
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Speaker 1: wanted I want my kids to see me work. I

454
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Speaker 1: want my kids to know that, you know, Daddy's not

455
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Speaker 1: just waking up dropping you off at school six five

456
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Speaker 1: and two, And I don't want them to think that

457
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Speaker 1: like you know, to do well in life, you just

458
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Speaker 1: sit on the couch and you know, do something for

459
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Speaker 1: a little while and then sit. I want them to

460
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Speaker 1: see me always work and always pursuing different things. So

461
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Speaker 1: when I challenge them that same way, they can see it.

462
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Speaker 1: And you know, I really believe people they don't follow

463
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: leadership because of what you say to them. They follow

464
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Speaker 1: you because they see what you do. And I want

465
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Speaker 1: my kids to see that from me.

466
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Speaker 3: So how's the how's the gig been so far?

467
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Speaker 2: It's been awesome. I think, like, what's what's.

468
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Speaker 3: Been one of the hardest things you've had to overcome?

469
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know this first year, right, just I know,

470
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Speaker 3: I know you just kind of like right into it.

471
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Speaker 3: This your rookie season all over again. What's been the

472
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Speaker 3: hardest thing you've had to overcome?

473
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Speaker 1: No, No, I think that's the first part, right, humbling

474
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Speaker 1: yourself to be like I am a rookie all over again.

475
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Speaker 2: I know we're.

476
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: Talking football and I played football, but you're a rookie.

477
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Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of things that you don't understand.

478
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things like I say, great, a

479
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 1: lot like everybody naturally says that's a great catch. Oh,

480
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: great play and the producer coming like everything's not great, buddy,

481
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and you're like.

482
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Speaker 2: What you means?

483
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Speaker 1: Like you said great a lot and I'm like, no,

484
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Speaker 1: I didn't. And I go back and watch it, I'm like,

485
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Speaker 1: oh five times, Like that's five times in fifteen minutes.

486
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Speaker 2: That's a lot.

487
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Speaker 1: So I think that has probably been the biggest lesson.

488
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Speaker 2: I think.

489
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Speaker 1: For one, I was I was really nervous about joining

490
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Speaker 1: a team that was already established because you know, everybody

491
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Speaker 1: like they have their vibe, they know how it's kind

492
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Speaker 1: of moving, and I was just like the one new

493
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Speaker 1: guy being added. But that kind of went seamlessly, like

494
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 1: everybody's been real cool, welcoming. But I think that coaching

495
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Speaker 1: is the one thing that I think when you watch

496
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Speaker 1: TV you probably don't first know that that happens. But

497
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: it's the same thing as a player. We go, we

498
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: go out and do the show. We get the email

499
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Speaker 1: Tuesday night, the links for every part of the show.

500
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Speaker 2: You go watch it.

501
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Speaker 1: Wednesday or Thursday, jump on the phone with the producer,

502
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Speaker 1: all right, this is what you did, well, this is

503
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Speaker 1: what wasn't you know?

504
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Speaker 2: Good? Do this? Do that?

505
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Speaker 1: All right, let's plan for Sunday, so like it kind

506
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Speaker 1: of it rolls that way into the week.

507
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Speaker 3: Doesn't it seem crazy? Well, I don't think it seems crazy.

508
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: This is what I was trying to tell somebody else.

509
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: I was trying to tell our producer, Thomas, Like, because

510
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: because we are athletes, and you've been an athlete your

511
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 3: entire life, you go out, you do something, you want

512
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Speaker 3: your coach to evaluate it, and then you're you expect criticism. Hey,

513
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: this was good, this was okay, this was great. I

514
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 3: need you to work on this. Like I'm constantly telling

515
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Speaker 3: him and everyone else like look, man, I'm I'm not

516
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Speaker 3: telling me like you will not hurt my feelings, Like

517
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: I run toward criticism because I really do want to

518
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 3: be good at this job, like this whole podcast. Like

519
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: I'm not a trained media personnel, Like help me, Like

520
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: this ain't this ain't my true nine to five. I

521
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 3: haven't been doing this for the last fifteen twenty years,

522
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: so like, let me know. And it's funny that a

523
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Speaker 3: lot of the athletes that I talked to that are

524
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 3: into media, like this is something that they do. We

525
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: go out, we perform, all right, let's watch the film.

526
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Speaker 3: Critique me what did I do right? How did I

527
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Speaker 3: get it? Can it? Can I be better? What I

528
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 3: want to be? Great? Can you? Can? You?

529
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Speaker 2: You know?

530
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Speaker 1: So I think it's now it's been awesome NBC. The

531
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: cool thing there is everyone works together. So our show

532
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: has a main producer, Matt Casey, and me and Matt

533
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: will talk all the time. But we get in studio

534
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Speaker 1: Fred Gadelli, who just went in the Hall of Fame

535
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: for everything he's done. He's produced John Matt and he

536
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: did NBC, you know, Sunday Night Football the games for

537
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: a long time. And then another guy, Jim Thompson. They'll

538
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Speaker 1: just come up to me and be like, hey, I

539
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: saw you did this last week here, so all right.

540
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: Now I got three guys telling telling me you know

541
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: what I can do better on a weekly standpoint. And

542
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: then Rob Hyland, who does the actual game for NBC. Randomly,

543
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: he'll call me and be.

544
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: Like, hey, I caught the I rewatched the show. You

545
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: know you did this well you did.

546
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Speaker 1: So it's been awesome because now instead of having, you know,

547
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Speaker 1: one coach who might see things one way, I have

548
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: like four different people who tell me things. And then

549
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Speaker 1: I still have my brother who when he watches he

550
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: gives his input. So and that's one of the things that,

551
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Speaker 1: like you said, it's been different. I think from an

552
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Speaker 1: athlete standpoint, I think a lot of people think that

553
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Speaker 1: like we were like a little intimidating. They don't think

554
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Speaker 1: that they can tell us things like and be kind

555
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Speaker 1: of straightforward.

556
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Speaker 2: Yes, my brother told me that.

557
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Speaker 1: He said when he interviewed for Good Morning Football, he said,

558
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Speaker 1: the first day he got there, he said, he told

559
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Speaker 1: them he knew he had two days. He was like, Hey,

560
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: I know I'm not gonna be perfect, he said, but

561
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Speaker 1: whatever I mess up on day one, please tell me

562
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Speaker 1: so I don't come back day two and do the

563
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: same thing and then you guys don't hire me because

564
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: you're like, man, he did this and this and this

565
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: each time he came on. He was like, if you

566
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: tell me, I got a chance to fix it, and

567
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: maybe that's why you do hire me. But if you don't,

568
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: like I would just appreciate any feedback from anybody in here,

569
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: like I don't even know everybody's role or what your

570
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: specialty is, but if you see something like please tell me.

571
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: And he feels like that was the difference in him

572
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: getting the job, because the things they did tell him.

573
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: He was able to kind of correct some of them.

574
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: And now that they watch it and they're like, all right,

575
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: we could tell this guy, give him feedback and he

576
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: can go get it done right away, because that is

577
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: something as athletes. To make a living in football, you

578
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: have to take whatever you're told in the meeting room

579
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Speaker 1: and change it and fix it asap, not you know,

580
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: in three games you gotta fix it a sap or

581
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: they get ridy and bring somebody else in.

582
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Speaker 3: Now, has there been any rookie hazing on your part?

583
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 3: Being Rooke like, do you gotta do anything crazy? Marie

584
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: ant try to navigate. Ain't nobody try to hate you?

585
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Speaker 2: They didn't.

586
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Speaker 1: But one day I brought it in, like I brought

587
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Speaker 1: in my suits and I had my big box and

588
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: Maria she's walking down the hallway. She was like, dang, rookie,

589
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: they'll get somebody bring your box in for you. And

590
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm a rook I gotta get it

591
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: the hard way. But now it's funny. So on the show,

592
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: Maria six to two, Simsy six ' five, yep, yeah, yep,

593
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: Chris Sims six ' five, and Jason Garrets.

594
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Speaker 2: Like six two and a half six, three, five eleven.

595
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Speaker 1: So anytime we standing behind the desk or I'm in

596
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Speaker 1: my seat, they got a little cushion or I got

597
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Speaker 1: a little step stool thing.

598
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 2: So every time we get there, Maria's.

599
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Speaker 1: Like, oh, they put your little step stool out there.

600
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: So they all kill me on my height, they all

601
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: make fun of me. So but again that's like being

602
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: back in the locker room. Like getting a new team

603
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: has probably been the best part about being in the

604
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: sports media and doing the job because you know, we

605
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: got group texts that will send funny stuff like different

606
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: things that happen, and it's cool getting that. Cause you

607
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: do you you lose the locker room. Even though you

608
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: still keeping contact with guys, you're not in the end anymore,

609
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: Like you're not getting the memes because of what just happened,

610
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: like what coach said in the meeting room, like you're

611
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: you're not a part of that anymore. So kind of

612
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: filling that gap has been I think it's been huge

613
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Speaker 1: for me, especially mentally and emotionally having that.

614
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Speaker 3: So one of the things that I regret was I

615
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: never got a chance to do the broadcast boot camp,

616
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: Like I filled out the application two times for whatever

617
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: reason they just told me. No, I don't know whose

618
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 3: job it was. If you're listening like I don't, well, Tracy,

619
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: if you listening, I blame you. I'm terrible at media

620
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: because you never let me get on the broadcast boot Camp.

621
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Speaker 3: So if y'all have it, I would love to get

622
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: on it sometime. Maybe it's too late because I got

623
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: my own show. So my question to you is, did

624
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Speaker 3: you one did you do the broadcast boot Camp? And

625
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 3: two what would you give? What advice would you give

626
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: to another player who is about to retire or recently

627
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: retired who wants to get into the broadcast business.

628
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, for one credit to you, no broadcast boot

629
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Speaker 1: camp and got your own show.

630
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Speaker 2: That's a slight flex right there doing that.

631
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Speaker 1: But yes, I got to do the broadcast boot camp

632
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: same year with my brother. And the advice I would

633
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: give anybody that is even thinking about doing media, even

634
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Speaker 1: if it's in the back of your mind and you're

635
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: not sure whether you're about to retire or it's still

636
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: early in your career, sending your application as many times

637
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: as possible to you get accepted, because, for one, the

638
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: coaching points and everything that everyone tells you from day

639
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: one you're sitting there, you're just learning, and then the

640
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: producer sit with you is huge, like the development and

641
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: hearing things that you've never heard before on how to

642
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: get better, what to do. And then the second part

643
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: is the relationships. Like everything that I've done since going

644
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: to that boot camp came from me texting somebody.

645
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: That is already out of network.

646
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Whether it was when I you know, during my bye week,

647
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: going on NFL today at CBS, was because I formed

648
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: a relationship where Drew Calency, who's a producer, text them like, Hey,

649
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: got the BUYE week, Hey would you want to come in?

650
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: Sure? I got to go do that.

651
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: Like each time you get to do those things, that's

652
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: a rep, that's an audition. So I think that's where

653
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: the boot camp was huge. And the first day you

654
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Speaker 1: get there they tell you that. They tell you like, Hey,

655
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: the people we have here, they're not just like you

656
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: know they used to just they're live in it. Yes,

657
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: they're they're producing shows that we all watch on Sundays

658
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 1: or Thursday. Get their information. Talk to them during the

659
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: networking events that we have at night, when we're sitting

660
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: around having a drink and eating spark conversation, talk, telling,

661
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: me your interest, tell them what you would be willing

662
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: to jump on. So I think what the NFL did

663
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: with that boot campus, I mean, it's it's awesome, and

664
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Speaker 1: it gives you the opportunity to go on NFL Network,

665
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: which is another audition.

666
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, it really changed my whole outlook.

667
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: So when I was doing I did Fox Sports for

668
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: a year or a season and we did live TV,

669
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: and for whatever reason, I stopped listening, like my I

670
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: had a squirrel moment moment, and I'll start listening to

671
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: somebody else and I stopped paying attention. And it was like, so,

672
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 3: what do you think, Charles, And I went, yeah, the

673
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: Denver Raiders and the Oakland Broncos. I think that's what's

674
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: gonna happen. They gonna win and they gonna be great

675
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: cut and I was And after I said it, I

676
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: was like, did I just what did I just say?

677
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: I said, the Denver Raiders and I just looked at them,

678
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: and I remember Michael Strahan and he came over and

679
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: he was like, look, we all make mistakes, man, Like

680
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, like it's live TV,

681
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 3: you gotta make fun of yourself, like it's it's people

682
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: will respect you moral, they'll live at you more. It'll

683
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: be a better rating if you if you make fun

684
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Speaker 3: of yourself. So my question is, have you been on

685
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Speaker 3: live TV and have you well not, have you been

686
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: on live TV. While being on live TV, have you

687
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: had like a colossal failure, not like that.

688
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: But I've said the wrong words or something.

689
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Speaker 1: And like I think when I went on Good Morning

690
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: Football for the week, I think they asked me a

691
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: question and I was like, I'm gonna be in the middle,

692
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: and like, let's say it was like rate it from

693
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean one to eight or one to ten.

694
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Speaker 1: I think it was one to eight, and I was like,

695
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the middle. I'm gonna be a five.

696
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: And my brother's on there with me. He goes the middle, five,

697
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: what kind of math are you doing? And we just

698
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: started laughing and bantering back and forth. And it's funny though,

699
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: because when they said it, I honestly don't remember if

700
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: they said one to ten or one to five, Like I.

701
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: Like, whenever they whatever they said, I had that.

702
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: Number in my head, and my in my head, I'm like,

703
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle, And then I thought about it,

704
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I don't think I was listening to

705
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: the actual number they gave and like you said, you

706
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: just laugh. I mean, Michael Strahan was one of the guys.

707
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: Even the producers showed me. They were like, like, you

708
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: can see the way he just controls and like can

709
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: control the room with just how he kind of goes.

710
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: He can be serious, he could be funny, he could

711
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: be like he could just do everything.

712
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: I mean that's why.

713
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: He's obviously had the type of success he's had, not

714
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: just in sports media, but uh mainstream media as well.

715
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Michael Jenkins good friend of mine. We had

716
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: him on the show a couple of times or a

717
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: few months a few months back. I know you've recently

718
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: partnered with him in a broad Street ventures, right. I

719
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: want you to just like tell me about why you

720
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: wanted to get involved with his organization. And I know

721
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: you guys it's a financial firm and there it's black

722
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Speaker 3: and brown people funding, Like, tell tell me a little

723
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: bit more about that.

724
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

725
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: I think one of the cool things is just the

726
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: relationship with malt. You know, we we came out.

727
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Speaker 2: Of high school. I just got a copy of the book.

728
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: We came out of high school the same year so

729
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, myself, my brother Malcolm, we all played in

730
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: an All Star game together and that kind of started

731
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: the journey and then you know, we all ended up

732
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: making it to the NFL. And you know, first we

733
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: started we I collabed with him and got into Players Coalition,

734
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: which him and Airquon Bold and started, which was all

735
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: about you know, the community, black and brown people, whether

736
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: it was you know, police, community relations, economic advancement, education.

737
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: We were already doing those things and then he came

738
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: to me and was like, hey, I want to set

739
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: up Venture Capital Fund where you know, it's all black

740
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: and brown lead and we go out and we invest

741
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: and do different things, and we're gonna be able to

742
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: invest alongside some of the bigger firms who are gonna

743
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: let us in and give us that access. And you know,

744
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: for me, I was still learning about even what that means,

745
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: like what is a VC firm? Like what do they do?

746
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: So that opportunity to learn and to do. And I

747
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: give Malcolm a ton of respect because he goes and

748
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, he does new things, like he's very fearless

749
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: and how he goes out and accomplishes things. So you

750
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: mentioned his book starting that Player's coalition, starting a VC fund,

751
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: like doing all these things. Like, we don't grow up

752
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: naturally knowing people who are just doing these things, so

753
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: we don't have that example to see every day. And

754
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: Malcolm has turned that into he has turned into an

755
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: example for all generations, younger kids from his hometown in Piscataway,

756
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: younger kids who love the NFL and love football. He's

757
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: a franchise e as French and like he isn't does

758
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: so many different things and I think that's awesome. So

759
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: he's been a guy that obviously is a peer of mine,

760
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: but I've looked up to.

761
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: Him and seen some of the things he's done.

762
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Speaker 1: So it was awesome getting to join him and be

763
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: a part of Broadstreet Ventures.

764
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

765
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's dope and I love the

766
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: I love the message that it sins and it creates

767
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: for other young and black and brown people, UH players

768
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: currently that they can see like, hey, you don't just

769
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: have to be football. We're not just athletes. We could

770
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: be in the business world as well. Where do you

771
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: see yourself in the next five years with TV and

772
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: or your business adventures?

773
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the great thing about the

774
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Speaker 1: TV stuff is I'm at where I kind of had

775
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: a goal to be.

776
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: I got in Envision have.

777
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: An opportunity to be on Football Night in America on

778
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: Sunday Night at NBC. The first year I was done,

779
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Like I just I didn't see that. I'm thinking, you know,

780
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: get in, get in where I fit in, wherever somebody

781
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: hires me, and then ultimately try to get to NBC

782
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: and you know, so being there.

783
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: I want.

784
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: I want to be able to do the cool things,

785
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: like an NBC in two years will have the Super Bowl.

786
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Like that's gonna be a goal that I get to

787
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: check off. Being a part of the pregame show for

788
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: a super Bowl like that is like I'm sitting there,

789
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: I want to exactly So, I'm like, I want to

790
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: be at the kind of best that I can possibly

791
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 1: be when I get there. This year, I'm in year one,

792
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: Like by year three, I want to be able to

793
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: feel super comfortable, be able to do more things that

794
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: I can't really do now or I'm not doing so,

795
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: being able to have a feature story interview somebody possibly

796
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl, like doing different things like that.

797
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: I want to get better at everything else that comes

798
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: along with the job. But in five years, I hopefully.

799
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm still at NBC doing what I'm doing, and I

800
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: think from a business standpoint, I really have tried to

801
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: take this year and I think even next year to

802
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: continue to learn more and more. Before I left Boston,

803
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: one of the things I was very intentional about is

804
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: building up some of the networks and friendships that I

805
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: have with people outside of football that you know, are

806
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: very successful in the different business things that they do.

807
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: So I'm learning a little.

808
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: Bit more about I'm on a couple of nonprofit boards,

809
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: but I'm learning more about, you know, for profit boards

810
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: and different things like that, meeting people who have done that,

811
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, kind of as a livelihood and done it

812
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: for a long time. So I want to I want

813
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: to be learning, and I want to in five years hopefully,

814
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: like I'm in the beginning stages of doing something new

815
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: that involves me and my brother and our families and

816
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: starting something new. I don't know what it is right now,

817
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: but we both have really decided like we want to

818
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: really learn more and more and possibly take like some classes,

819
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: so everything's not strictly on learning from somebody else, but

820
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: also kind of you know, put more in the bank

821
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: of your own knowledge.

822
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So my rookie year two thousand and three, I

823
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: get drafted by the Bears and go to training camp

824
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: do my thing, and it's rookie hayz in time. So

825
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: I got taped up putting his laundry cart, or I

826
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: got put in his loundry basket. Ted Washington didn't like

827
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: Ted at the time because all he did was his

828
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: pick on rookies. All he did was pick on rookies,

829
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: and he put me in his cart, and I mean

830
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: it just it was a long story short. It was embarrassing.

831
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: And then yeah, he's a very large human being. And

832
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: then he got traded to New England and I was

833
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 3: so happy my rookie year. I was like, thank God

834
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: because he's not here to pick on me and he

835
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: goes to New England. Was the Super Bowl, So that

836
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: was kind of like my welcome to the welcome to

837
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: the league rookie moment, right, welcome to the NFL as

838
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: a as a rookie. What was your welcome to the

839
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: NFL moment your rookie year when did you know like, oh,

840
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: this is this is the league. Whether it be a

841
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: hit or whether it was something like hazing, Like, what

842
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: was that moment for you.

843
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: It was. It was me and Tom my rookie year.

844
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: It was kind of not like it is now, but

845
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: it was an off season kind of when you got

846
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: in were you know, it started earlier and and events

847
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: would kind of be there maybe a little early, but

848
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: then events would get kind of a break and not

849
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: necessarily all be there. So there was no lie when

850
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: I first got there. Events wasn't there. Randy Moss, Tom,

851
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: like a lot of the older guys, they just didn't

852
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: come back yet. So the first week Tom comes back finally,

853
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, as a rookie, as Tom Brady. I'm not

854
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: like I'm about to go out there and strike a

855
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: conversation with Tom. You're just like, man, like I'm in

856
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: the locker room Tom, and I'm.

857
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: Like, yo, it's Tom twenty ten. Yep.

858
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm like that's Tom. That's Randy Moss. Like I had

859
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: some mos sneak, like I had the mosses the turf shoes.

860
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: And Tom comes up to me one time we're in

861
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: an Ota practice and we're kind of I think I'm

862
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: going to run during a break or a special teams

863
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: or something, and he's like, hey man, hey man, I'm Tom.

864
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: We're excited to have you here? And I'm like, what's up, man,

865
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm Devin. Yeah, I'm happy to be here too. And

866
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: as soon as I got home that night called my mom.

867
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: I was like, ma, Tom Brady knew who I was. Was like,

868
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: it was just like the guys you watched growing up,

869
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: and now I'm sitting here in a locker room next

870
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: to him. And then you know, you had that moment.

871
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: Then the next moment was the first time I got

872
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: first team reps in practice and You're in the huddle

873
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: and Draw Mayo is our middle linebacker. He's given a call.

874
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at events like I'm looking at all these

875
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: guys and I'm like, all right, dude.

876
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Don't mess up.

877
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: Don't mess up and have somebody get on you or

878
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: say anything.

879
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: But I was very lucky.

880
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: Brandon Meriwether and James Sanders were yep, Chicago, yup. Those

881
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: are my two vets at safety, and they you should

882
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: tell me everything.

883
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: Get me right.

884
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: Actually, Meriwether told me he was like my rookie year,

885
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison was still on the team. He was like,

886
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: you lucky, he said, because hot Rod, he said, he

887
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: would have killed killed you every chance he got as

888
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: a rookie with the hazen. So I lucked out that

889
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: Rodney retired by the time I got there.

890
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 3: What were those practices Like with Randy Moss your rookie year,

891
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: tell me, tell me, give me a story about Randy

892
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 3: your rookie year.

893
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: Simple beat to sleep Rent my rookie year. You know,

894
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: you out there, and Randy was a guy that you

895
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: could do one on ones and he might he might

896
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: go hard, but most of the time, like in one

897
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: on ones, Randy wasn't tripping. Like you go there, you

898
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: might jam him, or he might run a comeback and

899
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: you all over him and Tom throws it out of

900
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: bounds and you know, inside you kind of like like like, man,

901
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: we went, we went to our stadium practice. We have

902
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: all the season ticket holders come in stadium practice, so

903
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, so the first time you in this stadium

904
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's not packed, but you got a nice

905
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: little crowd in there. Like third play about outside release,

906
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: he sticks.

907
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: His hand up. I'm running with him, about to play

908
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: their hands. This dude just.

909
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: Late hands, catches a touchdown, crowd goes nuts. I'm like,

910
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: well that's another that's a story. Rookie rookie first round

911
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: rookie corner against beat by Rent.

912
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: He did that twice.

913
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: Then we get in the zone. Uh, they bunch us up.

914
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Meriwether starts making a check. I've never heard the check

915
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: ever since I've been there for the three weeks or

916
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: whatever i've been there.

917
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: He makes the check. I'm like, trio, what is trio?

918
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: Hike seven route?

919
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: Randy Mass touchdown? Come to the sideline.

920
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: Bill's like, what the fuck are you guys doing. I'm like,

921
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: they made a check that we ain't going over yet.

922
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: Meriwether was like, yeah, that's my bad. We ain't put

923
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: that in yet. And I'm like then it was just

924
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: so it's a call that they have, but as a rookie,

925
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: the coaches wanted to wait, so we didn't put it in.

926
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: All it was was lock combo. So like I knew

927
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: lock combo, Like I knew we had a call for

928
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: it in college. I just didn't know the Patriots called

929
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: for it. So when he said it, I'm thinking, like,

930
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: maybe they ain't got nothing to do with me. Just

931
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: stay locked on your guys. So I stay locked on

932
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: my guy. I don't play the combo touchdown. So it

933
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: was a It was a pleasure going against Randy because

934
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: it built me up for the season, like I had

935
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: already got beat so many times and training camp that

936
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: you kind of like I developed that mentality to just

937
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: go out there. And then week one we played Sinci

938
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: when To got there.

939
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: So you had Chad on one side and To on

940
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: the other side.

941
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: So for the corners, you wasn't getting away from anything

942
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: like you first played the game nine routes of too.

943
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: I break it up and I tell people, like, if

944
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: he catches that ball, because he it was one of

945
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: those where he reached back, try to go on top

946
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: of my head and I break it up with like

947
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: three fingertips, and I'm like, man, my career probably would

948
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: have been different if he catches that. First first player

949
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: of your career is a forty four fifty yard bomb.

950
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: But now those those battles and then you're going against

951
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: Randy with Tom, so every ball is exactly where it

952
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: needs to be.

953
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: Oh I learned.

954
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: I was like, man, some of these these reps I'm

955
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: seeing in practice, they not gonna be like that in

956
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: the game.

957
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: This is this is the best I'm gonna get in practice.

958
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: Like ever you like two Hall of famers on the

959
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: same team in practice, like, how how do you not

960
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: get good?

961
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: Like that's exactly yep.

962
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: And then Tom used to give me little tricks of

963
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: the trade of what he would read what, because you know,

964
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: like the great quarterbacks Like Tom, he's like, every quarterback

965
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: reads the weekside safety. He was like, but I'm trying

966
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: to find a nickel. Where's a nickel aligned? What is

967
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: he doing when it's cover two or cover three? There's

968
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: one corner like playing offense. He's like, I'm looking at

969
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 1: all of that in a secondary I'm trying to find

970
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 1: he said.

971
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: The great quarterbacks, he said, we.

972
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: Watch film all week to find the guy. He said,

973
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: there's usually one guy that's to tell that tells everything.

974
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: He said, Now my job every week is to find

975
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: that guy and then use them once we get on

976
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: game day. And I was like, dang, and I used

977
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: to learn how to try to manipulate and move my

978
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: alignment just to mess with the quarterback. From talking to him.

979
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: Musa Muhammad, he made me a better He made me

980
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 3: a better corner. Brandon Marshall made me a better corner

981
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 3: like we used to Devin, like we used to battle.

982
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 3: I didn't have the quarterback like you had, but I'm

983
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: I'm really jealous about the Yeah, man, I'm just I'm jealous.

984
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: I'm envious to that, like you got to Yeah, I'm

985
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: I'm jealous that you got to go against Randy every day.

986
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: I played him on twice a year, and then he

987
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: left and then he went to New England and then

988
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: he went to Oakland. But uh, yeah, we had a

989
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: couple of battles when he was there. I think I

990
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: kind of patted myself on the back because we played

991
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: y'all in six and I picked Tom off twice in

992
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: a game. But it wasn't like on the corner. I

993
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: got him off of PBUs, meaning like it hit somebody

994
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: else hit it and then I tipped it and I

995
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: got two of them. But that's like my bragget I

996
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: take it, I take it. Those are my bragging rights.

997
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: I got two picks off Tom. Actually I got three,

998
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: but it was one was a Presis game and it

999
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: didn't count. We played y'all and I was in Carolina

1000
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, y'all came to Carolina. I got to

1001
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: pick one. Lineman threw me to the sideline. I got

1002
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: a concussion and that's all I remember. That's the worst.

1003
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.

1004
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: Think Tom was probably the Tom and Aaron Rodgers are

1005
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: probably the two toughest quarterbacks that I ever had to

1006
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: go against, And probably more so Aaron Rodgers because I

1007
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: saw him every I saw him twice a year, and

1008
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: dude was like, dude was legit, Like he he is him.

1009
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: He is that dude torn Achilles center or not. He

1010
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: can slang that thing. He is a gun slanger. Like

1011
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: who Yeah, Who's Who's the toughest quarterback you ever had

1012
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: to go against?

1013
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: Uh?

1014
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: First for me would be Tom, like you said, I

1015
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: think daily, But then it was it was Peyton man

1016
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: playing against Peyton my rookie year. I my rookie year.

1017
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: That end the week, it was like, all right, we

1018
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: got the Peyton rules. I'm like Peyton rules. They was

1019
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: like yep, I don't care. Bill came in at he

1020
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 1: I don't care what you think or what you think

1021
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: you need to do to play better, or he said

1022
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: this is the rules. If you don't a by by him,

1023
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: you're not gonna play this week. And I'm like, yo,

1024
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: what the corners of the line.

1025
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: At three yards?

1026
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: Safety's at twelve yards every single play, don't move up

1027
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: and down, don't stay like that Cover two, You're fine,

1028
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: that's your alignment.

1029
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: Cover three.

1030
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna run out from there, man and man, we're

1031
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: gonna stay there. So right away I go to my

1032
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: corner coach man the man were staying at I said,

1033
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: I've always been taught that's no man's land, like standing

1034
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: at three yards. He was like, so what we gotta do.

1035
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: Is Payton Manning And I'm like, y'all serious right now?

1036
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: They was like, we're dead serious.

1037
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: That's how every coverage is going to be played from

1038
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: the same exact shell, and there will be no movement

1039
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: until he snaps the ball. And that's how we played

1040
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: when we played him when he was an indie. Then

1041
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: he went to Denver, we did the same thing, no

1042
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: matter what. That was the alignment and you don't move

1043
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: from it until the snap. And I'm like, dude, we're

1044
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: doing way too much. So we come out there. First

1045
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: half my rookie year, we got twenty one points. I

1046
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: think it's like twenty one to three or twenty one zip. Well,

1047
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: like we're getting that indy. Second half came and he

1048
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: realized what we were doing. Next thing, I know, we

1049
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: had to get a last minute interception on the two

1050
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: minute Drive and won twenty one twenty four. It were

1051
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: like I remember walking out of the game and I

1052
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: was like, yo, that dude, Like it was just unbelievable.

1053
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: And I got an interception that game.

1054
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, I'm like my rookie year

1055
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: I picked off Philip Rivers and Peyton Manning.

1056
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, you can't. Oh.

1057
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: And I love watching Philip Rivers, like his energy, how

1058
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: he was. And then I met him on a pre

1059
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: draft visit and you know, like I'm just some rookie

1060
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: and he's walking into the building and he stops me

1061
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: as a full conversation, what school did you go to?

1062
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: How'd you like to visit? I'm like, damn, Philip Rivers,

1063
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: like you're pretty cool, Like I'm a fan of yours.

1064
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1065
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, Peyton Manning was. He was definitely he

1066
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: was a problem.

1067
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 3: All Right, That's what's up. That's what's up. So Mount

1068
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: Rushmore it's got four people on it. Who would your

1069
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore be for you? And it could be you know,

1070
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: someone who's had major influence in your life, a coach,

1071
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: a teacher, a friend, a brother, or a cousin, someone

1072
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: who's had great influence in your life.

1073
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: My mom would definitely be there. My j Mack, my

1074
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: twin brother would be there.

1075
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: Why your mom?

1076
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: My mom?

1077
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: So my father passed away when I was three, so

1078
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: my mom there was three of us. We have an

1079
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: older brother, and she raised all three of us solo.

1080
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: And this I think while my mom is Mount Rushmore

1081
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: and why. And the biggest thing I learned from her

1082
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: was sacrifice. My mom for me and my twin brother

1083
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: to go to high school. We wanted to go to

1084
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: a private high school. So she was like, if y'all

1085
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Speaker 1: really want to go, like, your grades got to be up,

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Speaker 1: you got different things that you got to keep and

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Speaker 1: and I'll keep you in there.

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Speaker 2: So we do that.

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Speaker 1: We almost had to leave my junior year financially, but

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Speaker 1: she somehow, like we were talking about it, kind of

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Speaker 1: looking at public schools that we would go to, and

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Speaker 1: then she came back and was, oh, now we're good.

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Speaker 1: I ain't even know what that meant, like we're good.

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Speaker 1: And then my sophomore year in college, my mom was like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna file for bankruptcy.

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Speaker 2: And my mom basically spent all their money.

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Speaker 1: She had got hurt on her job, so she was

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Speaker 1: collecting disability. She took out a lump sum for disability

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Speaker 1: so she could pay off our tuition. And that's what

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Speaker 1: we did. And for me, like that is the ultimate.

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Speaker 1: That's what being a parent is. That's what I've always

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Speaker 1: learned for parenthood is whatever you can do, you do.

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Speaker 1: And my mom used to tell us kids don't actually

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Speaker 1: be brought in this world to adults. Bring him in

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Speaker 1: and that's your job to take care of them. So

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Speaker 1: she would be top of the top of the mountain

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Speaker 1: right there, and then I would go, yeah, man, I

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Speaker 1: would go with.

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Speaker 2: Kevin falk Is a guy.

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Speaker 1: When I got to New England, his locker was right

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Speaker 1: next to mine, and he had a lot to do

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Speaker 1: in my career.

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Speaker 2: I think just coming in.

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Speaker 1: He was in his thirteenth year as a running back,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, man, you gotta build a routine,

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Speaker 1: and you gotta do your routine every day. Man, come on,

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00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: just come getting a sauna with us. So I hated

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Speaker 1: the sauna and I would get into sauna every day

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Speaker 1: because I'm like, man, Like watch Kevin Fault when he

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Speaker 1: was at LSU, Like I remember because I thought he

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Speaker 1: was related to Marshall Fault and he was a returner

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Speaker 1: and was killing and so just following him and what

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Speaker 1: he was able to teach me throughout the years. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the last person I'll put on

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Speaker 1: my mouth restaurant would be my wife. I think her

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Speaker 1: ability to allow me to be the best version of

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Speaker 1: myself and in our life a lot of times, you know,

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Speaker 1: me playing football, me doing what I do now, what

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Speaker 1: I need to do usually comes first, and I try

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Speaker 1: not to take that for granted. For like how we plan,

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Speaker 1: like how we used to plant our off seasons, or

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Speaker 1: how we plan this like Sundays we don't we can't

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Speaker 1: do anything because I get picked up and I'm in

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Speaker 1: the studio all day, Like all of those things for

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Speaker 1: one person to always have to kind of take a

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Speaker 1: back seat tours. And you know, my wife was a doctor.

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Speaker 1: You know she stopped she stopped practicing as a doctor,

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Speaker 1: and she wanted to take care of the kids, like

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Speaker 1: all of those things I think is why we're married too, Right.

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Speaker 1: I talked about my mom in sacrifice and what she

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Speaker 1: was able to do and how you sacrifice, and my

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Speaker 1: wife is the same way. So yeah, I think those

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Speaker 1: people have I think had a huge impact in my

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Speaker 1: life and continue to have a major impact and play

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Speaker 1: a role in, you know, my everyday success. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: those people have been unbelievable for me.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like a pretty good mountain man. That's it. You're

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Speaker 3: off the hot seat, man, that's you. You You killed it,

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Speaker 3: You killed it. Thanks for coming on the podcast. We

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. It was awesome. Hey I'm Peanut Tubman. That's

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Speaker 3: never mc cordy. Make sure y'all tune into Apple podcasts

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Speaker 3: Our Heart Studios. We out here in New York.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: We out