WEBVTT - Matteson Perry Was Looking For Love At Burning Man

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<v Speaker 1>You meet someone in front of some sculpture of a dragon,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, hey, woman in a doctor Sue's hat,

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<v Speaker 1>want to like have sex now here in the dirt,

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<v Speaker 1>like because otherwise I'll never see you again, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>seventy thousand people here. And the girl in the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Sue's hat would like say nothing because he was super high,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I would continue on in my journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm sure most of you are familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>concept of Catharsis. You know, the idea that if we

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<v Speaker 2>watch someone else's tragedy, that we, as the viewer, experience

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<v Speaker 2>and emotional cleansing or purification. And I've always thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was weird that that more people aren't familiar with ecstasis,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Catharsis's cooler, hotter sister. Now, extacis is the

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<v Speaker 2>feeling of total immersion of being. You know, time slows

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<v Speaker 2>down and everything clicks. It suddenly feels like everyone's breath

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<v Speaker 2>and heartbeats are synchronized for a few moments. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>extacist literally means to stand outside one sells, and we

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<v Speaker 2>experience this when we see a life changing piece of

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<v Speaker 2>art or theater, or if we're at the stadium and

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<v Speaker 2>we see a buzzerbeat or a walk off Homer, and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand people stand up screaming in elation together. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I firmly believe that it's the reason why techno music

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<v Speaker 2>is so popular. And Burning Man is the epicenter of

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<v Speaker 2>extasis because if Burning Man was just a camping trip

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<v Speaker 2>in the desert where people did drugs and danced around naked,

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't explain the positive mental health effects that Berner's

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<v Speaker 2>experience for months after they return home. There's something much

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<v Speaker 2>deeper and profound going on there. I think it's the extasis. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend Madison Perry knows all about extasis. Madison is

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<v Speaker 2>a two time Grand Slam winner for the Moth and

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<v Speaker 2>he decided to grace our humble podcast with his funny,

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<v Speaker 2>heartfelt experience in the black rock desert for Burning Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Will Sandy Crack McFadden and this is hashtag Storytime

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<v Speaker 2>brought to you by iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>For anyone listening that doesn't know, Burning Man is this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of counter culture festival that takes place one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>miles from Reno on this salt flat where there's just

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but desert. For miles and like seventy thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>go there at once and turn this flat, empty desert

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<v Speaker 1>into like a tense city with all these camps and

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<v Speaker 1>things to do and art exhibits, and people dance and

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<v Speaker 1>do drugs and do art and make love and meditate

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<v Speaker 1>and do yoga, and it's just like this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hippie party festival thing. And so when I went, I

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<v Speaker 1>was about thirty. I had recently been dumped by my

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<v Speaker 1>longtime girlfriend who I lived with, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go to Burning Man. But I wasn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to like heel or transcend or like learn capuera. I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to have sex like I'd seen pictures, beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>women scantily clad. It seems like a very sexual vibe,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like, I'm gonna have weird desert sex.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get sand places sand shouldn't go. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to like make love to a woman wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>wolf mask, both literally and metaphorically, Like this is my goal.

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<v Speaker 1>As I drove out to the desert.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that you were honest with yourself with your goal.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like a lot of people, you know, have

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<v Speaker 2>different lies that they're telling themselves when they go out there,

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<v Speaker 2>that that is there true you know, motive, and they're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, no, I want to find myself. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going for weird freaky wolf sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that's what we all, that's what most of

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<v Speaker 1>us want anyway, deep down, freaky wolf sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so like it takes a long time to drive there,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're waiting this long line to get in, and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time I'm thinking about it, and like, I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it just seemed like such a sexual place I imagined,

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<v Speaker 1>like when I would get there, they would like check

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<v Speaker 1>me in and they'd be like, did you bring your

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<v Speaker 1>penis and the like, yeah, it's packed, and they'd be like, perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>Just head that way, you'll see a pile of naked,

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<v Speaker 1>horny women waiting for the sex the hair. Just go

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<v Speaker 1>that way until I see a sex pile. They'd be like, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>sex pile. Can't miss it, Like that's this is how

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<v Speaker 1>it works here. So I went in with like very

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<v Speaker 1>high expectations about the quantity and quality of sex I

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<v Speaker 1>would be having. And I got there and it was

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<v Speaker 1>not as easy to get laid as I had imagined

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was like very difficult for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>like could not make it happen. And part of the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is like when you're there, there's no cell phone

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<v Speaker 1>or internet or dating apps. Like I was dating a

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<v Speaker 1>lot at this point. I would use the apps, like

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty good at dating and getting dates. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was like there, it's like now or never. Like you

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<v Speaker 1>meet someone in front of some sculpture of a dragon,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, hey, woman in a doctor Seue's hat,

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<v Speaker 1>want to like have sex now here in the dirt,

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<v Speaker 1>like because otherwise I'll never see you again, like because

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<v Speaker 1>there's seventy thousand people here. And the girl in the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Seue's hat would like say nothing because she was

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<v Speaker 1>super high. And then I would continue on in my journey.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's and and like there was a girl who

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<v Speaker 1>was in the camp because you kind of camp with

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<v Speaker 1>a group of people and you have your little place

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<v Speaker 1>you sleep and place you eat and activities and and

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<v Speaker 1>and I got along with this one girl, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't look and I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 1>hook up with anyone in the camp, Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, don't eat where you shit kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. And so like even at this hedonistic desert festival.

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<v Speaker 1>This girl is following HR protocols. I was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not what I expected at all. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times I came close to having sex. I

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<v Speaker 1>danced with this one girl for like thirty minutes at

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<v Speaker 1>this like rave party, thing, very physical, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>pulled away and she introduced me to her husband, who

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<v Speaker 1>is a great guy, really nice guy. Another woman just

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<v Speaker 1>walked straight up to me at a party and licked

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<v Speaker 1>my nipple and I was like, well, this, wow, must

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<v Speaker 1>be on. This is this is like Nope, led to nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just a handshake out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess she was a she was a cannibal.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah. I did not taste good enough to fairly

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<v Speaker 1>or to have sex with. But she met me, and

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<v Speaker 1>so this is kind of like For a couple days,

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<v Speaker 1>I just like like nothing. I couldn't make anything happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It just seemed like hard to initiate anything with women.

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<v Speaker 1>But I had this like backup plan. I'd heard there

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<v Speaker 1>was a camp called the Orgy Dome Camp, and they

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<v Speaker 1>build a giant dome and then they throw orgies and

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<v Speaker 1>that's like what they provide to the Burning Man attendees.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty straightforward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, not a subtle name really.

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<v Speaker 2>And so how did you just find out about this

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<v Speaker 2>on the third day?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, there's there's a handbook that they give

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<v Speaker 1>you and as a list of all the things you

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<v Speaker 1>can do, and you know it's alphabetical. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days in I got oh, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>they h and so I tried to go and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a can't miss plan. But I found out

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot go as a single male. You can't just

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<v Speaker 1>show up as a single dude. You have to bring

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<v Speaker 1>a partner. You have to bring a woman with you, which,

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<v Speaker 1>like after the in Russ I'm like, of course that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. If you were allowed to go as a

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<v Speaker 1>single dude, it would just be a long line of

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<v Speaker 1>single dudes being like, when's this thing kicking off? Where

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<v Speaker 1>the lady's at?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So I just like I was sexually frustrated at Bernieman.

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<v Speaker 1>There's beautiful, mostly naked women all around me. Nothing, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not making it happen. I'm not making it happen. But

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<v Speaker 1>I did have another great experience, which was drugs. I

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<v Speaker 1>tried drugs for basically the first time in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thirty at the time. I had I'd smoked

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<v Speaker 1>pot a couple of times, but didn't even like it

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<v Speaker 1>that much. And just like had had a fear of

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<v Speaker 1>drugs my entire Like the DARE program worked on me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was like, I'm in I'm here at George Bush,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fighting the war. I'm saying no, like I believe

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<v Speaker 1>in this. But at Bernie mad I was like, wait, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at this thirty, I'm single, I've just had my

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<v Speaker 1>heart broken, I'm at this place. Let's let's let's do

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<v Speaker 1>some drugging. And so the camp that I stayed with,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a tradition that on the first day on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a tradition called Acid Monday, and similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the orgy dome, pretty clear, pretty clear name. Yeah on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of subtlety. No, yeah, it's a great

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<v Speaker 2>way to kick off the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is like like all the beautiful traditions, the

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<v Speaker 1>simple ones are really the ones that resonate. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that evening, the entire campus, which was thirty or forty

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<v Speaker 1>people all did acid at the at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's spent like my entire youth and

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<v Speaker 1>young adulthood, thinking like, why would people even do drugs?

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<v Speaker 1>They're scary, there's all these consequences, And that night I

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<v Speaker 1>learned that people do drugs because they're pretty fun. They

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of fun. Turns out, turns out I

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<v Speaker 1>like LSD very much. And so just for the whole night,

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<v Speaker 1>I wandered around and there's crazy things to look at,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're made even crazier by the LSD. And I

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that in addition to the physical effects, there's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like this emotional bonding thing that happened with these people.

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<v Speaker 1>I was there's like five people that I was wandering

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<v Speaker 1>around with, and and so I was not having luck

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<v Speaker 1>sexually yet and I wouldn't, but that night I bonded.

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<v Speaker 1>I fell head over heels in friendship basically with this

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Brian, who was this English guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Deeper a deeper, yeah, deeper, Yeah, was formed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was very fast. It was like a non

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<v Speaker 1>sexual soulmate. We were just simpatica and like that night,

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<v Speaker 1>we were just always around each other, laughing at things.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt scary. If we were apart, we would go

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<v Speaker 1>out to the bathroom together. We would like tell jokes together.

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<v Speaker 1>We would look at things that we didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>if they were there or not together and then I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wow, this is like a drug thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably this but they like it. Like it kept on.

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<v Speaker 1>We like stayed attached all week, Like we basically did

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<v Speaker 1>everything together. We would like share a beer and pass

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<v Speaker 1>them back and forth, started calling each other hubby, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you need some more coffee, hubby. You know, wish

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<v Speaker 1>would go to night hubby. At some point the camp

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<v Speaker 1>like voted us cute at couple because we were just

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out that much.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be if if he wasn't even real.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be I mean, you can't tell. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he was English, so who knows. Maybe he went back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Ether and not to London.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he could have just been a figment of the

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<v Speaker 2>acid imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it would also be sad if, like my imagination,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, you came here to have sex. The

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<v Speaker 1>imagination is not going to make a beautiful woman that

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<v Speaker 1>you see.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, yeah, this is what you need now, you

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<v Speaker 2>need this really supportive englishman.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just need a charming English chap to make

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<v Speaker 1>you feel good about life. And so we just hung

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<v Speaker 1>out all week and like I have many male friends

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<v Speaker 1>I had before that, but like usually in life, you

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<v Speaker 1>like become friends with someone slowly over time, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, I feel like you're my best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>I've known you three days and so we get to

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the week, have not had sex. I

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<v Speaker 1>have not even kissed a girl. But oh well, I

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<v Speaker 1>met Brian and at the end of Bernie Man, the

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<v Speaker 1>name of the festival is because they burned a giant

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<v Speaker 1>statue of this wooden man thing and it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest then and party of the week, and it takes

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<v Speaker 1>quite a while because it's big to burn down. But

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<v Speaker 1>then when the last piece falls, like everyone just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of goes nuts and runs around, and like I got

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<v Speaker 1>really caught up in it, and I was like yelling,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I took my shirt off and I started

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<v Speaker 1>running in a circle around the ashes and I was

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<v Speaker 1>like howling, and it was just like it was really

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<v Speaker 1>a moment of like being primal and like animalistic. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like I don't know where I am or what's happening,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is life and I'm living it. I was

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<v Speaker 1>on LSD again at this point. I should mention was

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<v Speaker 1>probably part of the I figured, yeah, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of come to from this like drug excitement

0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.880
<v Speaker 1>fugue state, and my first thought is where's my hobby,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've got to find him. And I had this

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like it was the last day of summer camp

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to tell the person had to crush

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<v Speaker 1>on the whole summer camp that I liked them before

0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.080
<v Speaker 1>we all went home. And so I like went running

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<v Speaker 1>into the crowd. I was looking for him in this

0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.480
<v Speaker 1>giant mass of people. Just to give you a visual,

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<v Speaker 1>I was dressed in skin tight bright blue pants and

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<v Speaker 1>no shirt and had face paint all over my makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>But like that's me at the end of the row, calm,

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<v Speaker 1>running to find my hubby and fully tell him how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel. And so I find him in a heart Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>basically I had the I was ready for war, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was just a dude on drugs at bernemann uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I find him and I say, you know, Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell you before the drugs were off

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<v Speaker 1>that I love you. And not even like he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take it as a romantic thing. It wasn't a romantic thing,

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<v Speaker 1>just like you're a you're a human dude. That I

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<v Speaker 1>love and he he said thank you, and he actually

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<v Speaker 1>started to cry a bit. He's like a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a crier, hubby is. And then we had a nice

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<v Speaker 1>hug and and and then we went on about our night.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not like a it might not seem like

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal, Like a guy on drugs told another

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<v Speaker 1>guy he loves him. That happens quite a bit, and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really realize it until afterwards. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in my life I had told a

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<v Speaker 1>non family member male that I love them and like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like the way I grew up, it like had

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a macho culture and a super into sports,

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<v Speaker 1>and that kind kind of thing just didn't seem okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it just seemed weird that you would be watching

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<v Speaker 1>football and be like, hey, Bud, I like great play,

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<v Speaker 1>and also you're really special to me. Like I never

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<v Speaker 1>did that kind of thing growing up. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>had friends that I loved and family members that I love.

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<v Speaker 1>And so even though I went to Bernie Man but

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<v Speaker 1>like I just want to get laid, who cares about

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<v Speaker 1>this hippy dippy stuff. But in the end, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just a grown man hugging another man. Crying, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>we loved each other and having an emotional breakthrough.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he say it back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he said I love you too, hubby.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, okay, good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just worried. I was worried he left your

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<v Speaker 2>hang out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you, thank you. No he did, he did not.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still in touch to this day. He lives he

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<v Speaker 1>lives in London, so we're doing doing the long distance thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's worth it. My wife is very understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>our relationship because I knew him before I met her,

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<v Speaker 1>so she gets it. And then it's a little log.

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<v Speaker 1>The last day we're packing up camp. The girl that

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<v Speaker 1>had turned me down from my camp on the first day,

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<v Speaker 1>she came up to me. She was like, I'm really horny.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't had sex all week. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go have sex? And I was like okay, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't mean anything, and I was like I

0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.320
<v Speaker 1>don't care what it means, Like, let's go. And we

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<v Speaker 1>had about one minute of very hot, sweaty, dirty sex

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<v Speaker 1>on a half deflated mattress and that was it. That

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<v Speaker 1>was my sexual odyssey at Burning Man. So at least

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<v Speaker 1>I did I did make something happen in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was. It paled in comparison to.

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<v Speaker 2>What I had with Brian, but mission accomplished.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, figured it out. Goodness, what a journey. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was a good experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the opposite. I tell like everybody I love them,

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<v Speaker 2>Like do I sign off zoom meetings? Yeah, I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, buddy, I love you. It's like we I'm

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<v Speaker 2>your accountant. You shouldn't be telling me.

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<v Speaker 1>I have become more of that way to offer it up. Yeah. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you see how much money I got you back from

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<v Speaker 1>the I R S before you tell me that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is another sign that I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>need to make a trek to the Black Rock Desert

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and go to Burning Man. I've had so

0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.360
<v Speaker 2>many friends go and have these sort of these life

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<v Speaker 2>altering experiences, and I want a piece of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. Uh. I tried not to convince people

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<v Speaker 1>to go, because if you don't really want to go

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<v Speaker 1>on your own, like, you shouldn't be convinced of it

0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.640
<v Speaker 1>because there's many annoying, horrible things about it too, and

0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.040
<v Speaker 1>like all the bad ideas and the good ideas you have,

0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.440
<v Speaker 1>they're like all true, all true there. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have now been I think five times since that first trek,

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<v Speaker 1>so I guess I'm super into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're a burner. Yeah, do you have a Do

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<v Speaker 2>you have a burner?

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<v Speaker 1>Calling myself that? But I suppose I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a do you have a name like

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<v Speaker 2>a burner name when you're there?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a hardcore one where like most people

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<v Speaker 1>just call me Madison. I sometimes people call me the Deputy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I was helping a guy who's named the Douche Marshal

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<v Speaker 1>do some work, so he deputies me building a shower

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<v Speaker 1>in our camp. He was the douche Marshal. He's also

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<v Speaker 1>like a bit of a douche, so it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a double meaning word, but a very a very severe,

0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of mean German guy. But I love him, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm his his deputy.

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<v Speaker 2>The douche deputy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's amazing exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I want a cool burning Man nickname. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take Maybe I'll take story time. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>could take story time and do storytime live at burning Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure the stories would be nonsense. And I went to.

0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.320
<v Speaker 1>A story show there and told a story I really

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<v Speaker 1>heard some stories, and it was much more like an

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<v Speaker 1>AA meeting vibe, like super fun story hour, Like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people really like opening themselves up in a

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<v Speaker 1>way like yeah, maybe not so much, like maybe close

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<v Speaker 1>it back down a little bit, like.

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<v Speaker 2>A little TMI.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. So we were all sitting around in a

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<v Speaker 1>circle and people take turns telling their stories. It's like,

0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.359
<v Speaker 1>where's where's the stage, where's my mic the where's the lights?

0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:24.399
<v Speaker 1>Where's the time limit?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the other idea that I've I've you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>love theater and I love acting, and I've always thought

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<v Speaker 2>about creating some sort of a show to take to

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<v Speaker 2>Burning Man and to perform there. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it would be some immersive theater or Midsummer Night's Dream

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are amazing things like that that are you know,

0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of stuff that's very slap dash and

0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:48.680
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, this is barely anything, and then there's

0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.239
<v Speaker 1>things where you're like, oh my gosh, people worked for

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<v Speaker 1>months to like build this art and they have parts

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<v Speaker 1>and like it's very immersive, and the people that really

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<v Speaker 1>like go full in, like it's really cool. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>last last time, the most impressive thing was you went

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<v Speaker 1>through this door down an alleyway between like these RVs,

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<v Speaker 1>and then behind it was a little like town with

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<v Speaker 1>like three different restaurants and three different bars that were

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<v Speaker 1>all like built like they'd framed them and they had

0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.080
<v Speaker 1>like they'd been set decorated, and like you went. I

0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:18.840
<v Speaker 1>went into one and there was a whiskey bar and

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<v Speaker 1>the guy like just brought it was a whiskey collector,

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<v Speaker 1>and he brought every whiskey and he'd give you a

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<v Speaker 1>taste of like any whiskey he had, like he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>it could be really rare, really expensive, and he would

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about it, and you're like wow, like these

0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.760
<v Speaker 1>people did this all for free, for no reason. And

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<v Speaker 1>then like I was like this is cool when I

0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.720
<v Speaker 1>walked in here. Yeah, that stuff is great.

0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I want to hear that guy's stories. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to sit and drink whiskey with him, Yeah, and hear

0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:42.639
<v Speaker 2>his tails.

0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would be good.

0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Are you going to burning is Burning men back? Now?

0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Is it happening? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>It is happening this year for the first I think

0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.000
<v Speaker 1>they took two years were canceled. It's happening again this year.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people I know from there are going.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not going up two small children now, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know when I will bring them.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude. You see kids out there, man, there's like camps

0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:06.879
<v Speaker 1>that are made for like families, and you drive by

0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.080
<v Speaker 1>and there's just like half naked kids covered in dust

0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.040
<v Speaker 1>having the best time of their life. It just looks

0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.879
<v Speaker 1>like Lord of the Flies. I'm not sure I'm ready

0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:17.639
<v Speaker 1>to take a care I feel like I barely survive

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.520
<v Speaker 1>out there myself, let alone taking care of a child.

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<v Speaker 2>You turn into a child.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't bring the child exactly, man, you get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You play at the heart of a child. Don't bring

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<v Speaker 2>a child, man. Yeah, trying to go to the orgy

0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.480
<v Speaker 2>dome with the child. That is illegal.

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.760
<v Speaker 1>That's illegal. Man, Come on, yeah, you get you get

0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the ethos.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, I think I'm ready.

0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.000
<v Speaker 1>You are ready, you know, not to bring kids. And

0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:44.840
<v Speaker 1>that's how you need to know.

0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the main thing. And like, find a find

0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.120
<v Speaker 2>a bro, find a bro mance out there.

0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Man, find a bro. Well maybe you'd maybe you'd have

0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:53.800
<v Speaker 1>luck with the ladies more than I did.

0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Who knows. I'm I'm I'm locked down. Oh, I'm shocked up.

0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.080
<v Speaker 1>So you know that's a better way to go. You

0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.240
<v Speaker 1>go out there, there's no expectations about that, and yeah,

0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.040
<v Speaker 1>you spend time on other things.

0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:07.639
<v Speaker 2>It would be it would be a it would be

0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.160
<v Speaker 2>a problem if I was having a lot of sexual

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.120
<v Speaker 2>success in burning men, that would be life.

0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Several several couples that have had that issue haven't out there.

0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:22.440
<v Speaker 2>So I did have a friend who was out there

0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:29.280
<v Speaker 2>who she got married on the plaia after a pussy

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:34.439
<v Speaker 2>eating contest age old story. Yeah, you know what a

0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:35.080
<v Speaker 2>meet cute.

0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they that's how she met the person she married.

0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Wow, I don't think they're still together.

0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a shame. I'm sure it was a maybe

0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a short but very pleasure filled the marriage.

0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hopefully an amicable divorce.

0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. And I don't know if the marriages out

0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.479
<v Speaker 1>there have as many legal implications. So you know, it's

0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.080
<v Speaker 1>all right, didn't work out.

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.480
<v Speaker 2>We got to split our stuff. You get this half

0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:08.359
<v Speaker 2>of the the air mattress and then I'll take these feathers.

0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Are my feather your that's your boa.

0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's what would happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, cool man, Well that was great. That was that

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 2>was a beautiful That was a beautiful tale.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good thank you.

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you. I'm glad you shared it.

0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel good to have shared it.

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.879
<v Speaker 2>First, Last, Best, Worst is a it's a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a game that we like to play on the pod

0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.639
<v Speaker 2>where we pick a category and then you share your

0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.240
<v Speaker 2>your first experience, your last experience, your best experience, and

0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:44.800
<v Speaker 2>your worst experience in that category.

0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.959
<v Speaker 1>So, so let's do breakups.

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.480
<v Speaker 2>So the first the first breakup.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so, my first breakup, my my first girlfriend was

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<v Speaker 1>in second grade, right, and this this girl Amy, on

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<v Speaker 1>Valentine's Day brought me a chocolate heart and gave it

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Yeah, and for a reason I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>I just opened it immediately and shoved the entire thing

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<v Speaker 1>in my mouth. And this was like three inches by

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<v Speaker 1>three inches solid chocolate heart, and I like could not

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<v Speaker 1>get it down all into my little mouth, and I

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<v Speaker 1>started having trouble breathing, and I ended up spinning out half

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<v Speaker 1>of it onto the ground and there's like a brown

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<v Speaker 1>saliva string to the ground. Get my face wiped up,

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<v Speaker 1>and she says, will you go out with me? Like

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<v Speaker 1>she'd stood there through all of this and she wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's what we called dating in second grade

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<v Speaker 1>is will you go out that's love? Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>said no and ran away to play kickball. And like

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<v Speaker 1>she was a very nice girl, a cute girl. I

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<v Speaker 1>got along with her in class. I was just like

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<v Speaker 1>so prepubescent like that. I that just like wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>thing in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Right at this point in my life, mostly focused on

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<v Speaker 2>chocolate and kickball. That was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was like, all right, Coolly, I had your

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate and now I'm going to play kickball.

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<v Speaker 2>Like got everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But I told my mom what happened, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>like really mad at me for like being rude and

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<v Speaker 1>for like eating the heart right away and not saying

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, and like she was like, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>like someone, don't accept their gifts and her false pretenses,

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<v Speaker 1>and so she she said, I had to apologize, and

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<v Speaker 1>I apologizing when you're eight is like the worst thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. So I was like, well, I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>tell her I'll be her boyfriend. I'll just go out

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<v Speaker 1>with her, and that will like solve all this. So

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<v Speaker 1>I told her I would be a boyfriend, by which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I told my friends to tell her friends

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<v Speaker 1>to tell her that we were we were dating. That day,

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<v Speaker 1>we did not talk at all, because what the what

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<v Speaker 1>the heck do you say to your girlfriend? The next day,

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<v Speaker 1>my best friend told me he'd hurt a rumor that

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie at Michelle's birthday party had put a tube of

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<v Speaker 1>chapstick in her vagina. That was the rumor going around.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's an aggressive rumor if I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, i'd like only recently stopped calling it a budgina.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is like all very like unknown territory. And

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know what to make of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I could tell by the way my friend Brian was

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<v Speaker 1>telling me like that this was bad that I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be so I broke up with her, by which I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I told Brian to tell her friends to tell

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 1>her that we were broken up. So that was my

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<v Speaker 1>first breakup, and I handled it horribly. We dated for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours without speaking, and then I didn't tell

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<v Speaker 1>it to her face. So I feel bad about that one,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was just I was in over my head.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't even get to the bottom of whether the

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<v Speaker 2>rumor was true or not. You know, that could have

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<v Speaker 2>been a well.

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<v Speaker 1>When do you hear a rumor like that? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to know it's true I mean something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>spreading around the playground. There's just no way that that's

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<v Speaker 1>not totally made up by who knows who?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, poor Jamie.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Yeah, it worked. Things worked out for her.

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<v Speaker 1>She grew into a beautiful woman, was very popular in

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 1>high school. I did not date anyone until college. So

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<v Speaker 1>I really I missed the boat. Missed the boat on

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<v Speaker 1>that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope she's doing okay today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too, Me.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, Jamie. If you're out there, love I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys would be a good fit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So that was the first. What about the last breakup?

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<v Speaker 1>The last breakup was the woman I dated before I

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<v Speaker 1>met my wife. So this is I've been married for

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<v Speaker 1>nine years now, so so a while ago, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>been dating here for four months and on New Year's

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<v Speaker 1>Eve or maybe two months, sorry, on New Year's Eve.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been dating for two months, and she told me

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<v Speaker 1>she loved me, and I like, in that moment, was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, oh, I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 1>like love for me, but like it was New Year's

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<v Speaker 1>Eve and we're having a NIC's evening and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like the midnight kiss, and so I set it back

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:40.919
<v Speaker 1>and said I love you too, and I kind of

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>convinced me. I was like, you know what, sometimes it's

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:44.439
<v Speaker 1>a slow burn, and like I do really like her,

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I enjoy my time with her, and like maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>is the beginning of a very healthy sort of like love.

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<v Speaker 1>And then two months later she dumped me, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, what the Like, you told me

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:56.639
<v Speaker 1>you loved me. I like, I was still lease it

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<v Speaker 1>end of the thing, and you told me that, and

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<v Speaker 1>now like you're out, You're just gone, like and so

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<v Speaker 1>I was. It was not a long relationship and I

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>was not fully committed, but it was a frustrating one.

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.360
<v Speaker 1>And uh and then uh, like two or three months later,

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<v Speaker 1>I started dating my wife and I was like, oh,

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>this is what it feels like when you're in love.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like, oh, maybe I should say it back.

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:19.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, I'm dying to say it. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to say it. I hope she shays it back,

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<v Speaker 1>which I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was your good luck chock.

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah she was, she was, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was with that. That was the only like

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks after that, she came over to talk and

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<v Speaker 1>we had That's the only time I've ever had breakup

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<v Speaker 1>sex in my life, which was oh wow, odd but

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 1>like somewhat cool. I guess it was not No, no, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was I ran into her at the outside of the

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<v Speaker 2>Orgie Dome was she.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, I know that. Plus now that's a meat cute.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's my last breakup. I hope, I hope it's

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<v Speaker 1>the last breakup of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too. Okay, So then what about what about

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<v Speaker 2>your so I guess your first, No, we've did for okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So that let's do your your best. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>weird one, but your best break.

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<v Speaker 1>My best breakup was I think what was the easiest,

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<v Speaker 1>the easiest.

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<v Speaker 2>One, most amicable.

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>This was like not quite a breakup because we weren't really dating,

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:23.159
<v Speaker 1>but I was dating this like it wasn't serious, but

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I was dating schoo. I'd gone out a few times

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>and she at some point was like, Hey, I think

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 1>we're getting too serious and I think we should we

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 1>should stop. I'm like looking to kind of just casually date.

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing other people. And I was like, oh, yeah,

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 1>me too, Like, no no pressure. I don't know if

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that came across, but I'm not really looking for a

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend at the moment. Anyway. So if you're just using

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 1>this as an excuse not to date me, all cool,

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>enjoy your life. But if you were just worried about

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:48.919
<v Speaker 1>like hurting my feelings, like we can continue dating and

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>seeing each other. And she was like, oh, okay, yeah,

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>that sounds great. And so we just like saw each

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<v Speaker 1>other a couple times a month for like three months,

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and then I started dating someone. I was like, hey,

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I am I'm going to get into an exclusive relationship now,

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 1>so this has to stop. And she was like, cool,

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>thanks for letting me know. And if it doesn't work out,

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 1>you can reach out. And I was like, wow, this

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:07.919
<v Speaker 1>is like this is like adult, this is just like

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 1>a business deal, where like we hang out, we like

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>each other, we'd like talk about other people are dating.

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I would like drop her off. She's like, yeah, we

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>dropped me off this farmer's market. I'm meeting a guy

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>for a date. I'm like, sure, have a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>The beauty, the beauty of communication.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was firing the cylinders.

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>That's how I want all breakups to go. And That's

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<v Speaker 1>the only time's ever happened in my life where I'm

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>just like, we'll just sit down, have a conversation, shake

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>hands and part his friends.

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<v Speaker 2>And that no emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, we both know it's it's it should end.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's simultaneously decide.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect that is a good one. Okay, So then we'll

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 2>close it out with the worst breakoup.

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>There's there's one where I really got crushed.

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 2>But that was just like, that's that's what I want

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to hear that.

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, all right, all right, that's the one that

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<v Speaker 1>led to burning man. I was I was thirty, I'd

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>lived with the girl of three years, and one of

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 1>those ones we're in retrospect, you're like, oh, of course

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 1>that was coming, But in the moment I had, I

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>had no idea. I was just like, ah, she's really

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>going through something for these six months where she's distant

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>and hanging out with other guys a lot, and like I,

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 1>at one point, she was hanging out with this guy

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot, and I like met up with them, and

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:20.479
<v Speaker 1>it was like kind of hard to meet up with them.

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Every time I text him, they were like somewhere else.

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I kind of knew the guy and kind of consider

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>him friend. And then I finally caught up with them

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and I walked in and I kind of saw the

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>way they were talking to each other in a booth

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 1>at the bar, and I was like, oh, I think

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm interrupting a date that my girlfriend is on. That's

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the like energy and vibe that's happening here. And like

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I sat down and we're chatting, and I'm like, why

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>do I feel like the third wheel whenever my girlfriend

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and another guy? And so eventually I like I hung

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>on really a long long time. I wrote her this

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>very long love letter, like ten pages, left it for

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>her before I was going on a trip. You know,

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I love you. I will work through whatever's going on,

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>like I'm always here for you, and I just like

0:29:58.440 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the first part of the trip, I just waited for

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 1>her like volunteers, saying like how sorry she was and

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>that she loved me, And instead she just like texted

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>like thanks for the letter. I was like, oh, that's

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>a bad sign. That's the The follow up to the

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>ten page love letter is thanks thanks for the letter

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>in the flowers via text. So I kind of knew

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>it was over and I had to sort of force

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>her to break up with me, because like I was,

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't I didn't want it to end. I was

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>still in love and so one day I was like,

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. She's like, I'm just going through something.

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, ah, that's not enoughing of an answer anymore,

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>like what is happening? Like why? It really seems like

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to be in this And then she said, yeah,

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't, and and then she dated the guy I

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>thought she was dated. She was hanging around a lot

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>with like three months later, and so I was just, yeah,

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I was very crushed for two or three months, but

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>then I found solace in the air.

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Was there cheating going on? Or did they?

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>She claims now, I never had a definitive proof. I

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.959
<v Speaker 1>just at the very least she was emotionally moving on

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>to this new guy. And then ultimately, you know, when

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>I ran into her and I was like, oh, I

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>heard you and that guy are dating now, She's like, yeah,

0:30:58.200 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>that was a surprise. It was like not to me.

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 2>So was this also outside of the orgy dome?

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, Basically you said you couldn't go with me.

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Now you're here and you haven't plus one, what.

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 2>All of these interactions from all your stories, I'm just

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 2>imagining taking place outside of the or.

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Just waiting outside the orgy done trying to talk.

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're you're in this brave heart wolfhead. You know,

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>blue blue tights. That's where I'm picturing all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Ultimately I found a very charming London English

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<v Speaker 1>chap and it all worked out for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, yeah, that was I hope the two of you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope the two of you never never break up.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine what would what would happen to break

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<v Speaker 1>us apart, because when you've when you've done LSD with

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<v Speaker 1>someone man, that connection buying be shattered.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah forever. Well beautiful, Well, uh, mass, thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for for your stories. I really appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

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