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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program. Mark Vandermain and

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Speaker 1: John Harris with you. A little bit later on Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Alexander from the Houston Chronicle will join us. Busy week,

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Speaker 1: of course, with the NFL Draft happening this week, and

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Speaker 1: yesterday we had Henry Too Too on and that interview.

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Speaker 2: I believe it is up on.

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Speaker 1: YouTube already, but certainly available in podcast form on Spotify

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Speaker 1: or the Texans app or wherever you get your podcast,

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Speaker 1: So check out Henry, who was wonderful yesterday. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the thread running through all these players that we've

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Speaker 1: been hearing speak this week because offseason conditioning has begun

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Speaker 1: and the draft, Johnny, it's getting ready. Forty eight hours

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Speaker 1: from now, will be in the on deck circle of

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Speaker 1: the draft, and seven o'clock Thursday it begins.

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Speaker 2: You me Andre, We will be.

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Speaker 1: On the air Thursday night bringing you all the picks,

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Speaker 1: and back Friday with Robert Hensley and Saturday Sean Pendergast

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Speaker 1: joins the flow, and it's going to be fun to

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Speaker 1: cover everything. It's Woodstock was called three days of peace,

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Speaker 1: love and music, days of picks, trades and craziness and emotions,

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Speaker 1: and it's wonderful, and it's also all dressed up in

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Speaker 1: no place to go. That's how I feel about the draft.

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Speaker 1: Some sense you can all hyper and labber it up

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it's like, Okay, we'll see

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Speaker 1: in four months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just calling a bunch of names.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's calling a buds and names, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be like this guy hasn't earned anything. Has he

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Speaker 1: earned anything? Now he knows that it's got a name called.

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Speaker 1: Whoever he picks, he has high hopes for, no question

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Speaker 1: about that. They've done all their research and we'll get

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Speaker 1: into a bunch of stuff with Jonathan, but I want

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Speaker 1: to get your before we talk about draft. We heard

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Speaker 1: from CJ. Gardner Johnson. We'll ask Jonathan about that later.

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Speaker 1: But this was a very entertaining press conference today, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, Oh, this is gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun having CJ. Gardner Johnson around. And all the guys

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Speaker 1: were talking about him yesterday already. Can you imagine if

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Speaker 1: he's like that at the podium, what's he like in

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Speaker 1: the locker room.

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Speaker 2: He's a ball of fire, a ball of energy.

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Speaker 1: And Will said something to the effect of, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: great to have more route.

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Speaker 2: He lightens it up. You know we're so serious.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I didn't get that impression of the Texans

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Speaker 1: that they're too serious. But man, you can't help up

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Speaker 1: be light and energetic with a guy like CJ.

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Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson in the room. One of the.

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Speaker 3: Things that stood out to me, and I've thought about this,

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Speaker 3: you know, my first year and here was twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 3: and so you get a look at just the entire

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Speaker 3: thing and every single week and how stressful every single.

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Speaker 2: Week is in the NFL. I mean, it is that stressful.

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Speaker 3: You weren't rolling out the balls and playing you know,

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Speaker 3: Holy Sprite University Tech.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're playing another.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're.

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Speaker 3: Playing a team that's two and fifteen in week seventeen

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Speaker 3: So for anything that stressful, if you don't have a release,

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Speaker 3: and for a lot of people, me I know myself,

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Speaker 3: I know, happiness, laughter, joy, that's my release. Even though

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Speaker 3: even when I was coaching many many years ago, like

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Speaker 3: I had to have humor. I had at some point,

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Speaker 3: somebody had to break the tent the U what is it?

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Speaker 3: I needed somebody to do it. And the leaders of

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Speaker 3: so it's a little different, but they were able to

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Speaker 3: and that's all you do. No, I mean that you

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Speaker 3: won an NFL football game. There should be some even

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Speaker 3: small level of joy in doing that. And if you

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Speaker 3: don't have that, then you're done. You're toasting. And Dimiko

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Speaker 3: if you need it too. He's honest, and he talked

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Speaker 3: have him. But man, that defense has some bite. These

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Speaker 1: We'll think about what Henry said about his ease yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and the difference is he's made yep, because he wasn't

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Speaker 2: And it just you felt it. You felt what a.

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Speaker 1: These meant to him. I talked to as last week.

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Speaker 1: I ran into him. We ended up talking for like

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Speaker 1: further reinforced why I never want him leaving the Houston

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you a story too?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I wouldn't normally tell the story, but it

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Speaker 3: kind of goes right along with what you were just saying.

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Speaker 3: So a pp beyond a curtain. A lot of times

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Speaker 3: offensive defense don't live together. I've known players like I

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Speaker 2: He was in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: He had moved to Jaguars, but he's working on Episcopal

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Speaker 3: and I asked him about Alan Fanicat.

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Speaker 2: Alan Fanicat had played for my dad.

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Speaker 3: And as I went by, I can hear them not

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Speaker 3: Like he stopped an offensive lineman in the hallway to

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Speaker 3: So anybody that wants to move that guy out of Houston,

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Speaker 3: get him out of Houston. Or the contract is this

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Speaker 3: The contract is that you can miss me with that noise,

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Speaker 3: because championship teams have guys like that on the team.

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Speaker 3: And we missed him for three games badly. Yeah, even

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Speaker 3: still miss disease. And when he was hurt a little

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Speaker 3: We missed him. We have to have that kind of

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Speaker 2: But I saw that. I was like, man, that dude's different. Dude,

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Speaker 2: he is just different.

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Speaker 1: And when he missed the three games, you know, everyone

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Speaker 1: bet he obviously you're gonna think about the money a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But it's the responsibility he feels to be

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Speaker 3: Right because he knows we're not playing great against Kansas

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows.

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Speaker 1: That's a huge reason why he's here is to be

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Speaker 1: a lot of these guys starting to get paid right now.

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Speaker 1: We heard from Gellen Petrie today getting paid, darn Stingley

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Speaker 1: We said that from the get go, but they're doing

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Speaker 1: a remarkable job hanging on to these players. And wait

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Speaker 1: till next year. It's gonna get really interested. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: next year, one of those guys will be Will Anderson Junior. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and he spoke this week and I thought I was

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Speaker 1: Anderson Junior. And I think about Mario Williams. I think

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Speaker 1: about Jodevian Clowney. These guys were number one overall picks.

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Speaker 1: Will's the number three overall pick. If Will had put up,

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Speaker 1: and Cloudy certainly made plays in his second year, but

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson Junior is off to a rip roaring start here,

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Speaker 1: and I would have been shouting Hall of Fame for

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Speaker 1: Cloudy because there's something about being.

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Speaker 2: The number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: And when you back it up with double digit sacks

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Speaker 1: and defensive Rookie of the Year and all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: you're thinking, Okay, we're on our way to Canton. It's early,

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Speaker 1: but we're on the right road, the right road, the

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Speaker 1: correct path. That's a great way of putting it.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know why this is, but on my computer,

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Speaker 3: whenever I want to get to Google Docs, I just

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Speaker 3: type dcsah, and it says when I hit return, just

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Speaker 3: For some reason, it always pulls up my twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: the first version of my Harris one hundred out and

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Speaker 3: so the very first version that year.

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Speaker 2: All right, So what was that was Will number one?

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Speaker 2: Will was number one? Let me see how close I

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Speaker 2: got here? So this is two years ago, two years

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Speaker 3: So this is the summer of twenty three, No, twenty two,

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Speaker 1: All right, So this is before they played the twenty

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Speaker 3: No, this is before they played the twenty two season,

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Speaker 3: the last one in college.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before CJ had that five season the spring of

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Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I had Will Anderson number one, all right, And I

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Speaker 3: said a little bit at the beginning, and then I said.

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Speaker 2: His twitch and hands are top notch.

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Speaker 3: His explosive to his explosiveness to and through run blockers

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Speaker 3: is extraordinary. His quickness on loops and stunts inside is

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Speaker 3: the match. He's violent in all the best ways in

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Speaker 3: His first step is blazing fast off the snap, bend

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Speaker 3: power hands. He beats guards with power, He beats light,

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Speaker 2: He's number one.

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Speaker 3: He's number one all day long, and barring some unforeseen

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Speaker 3: disastroby number one in April two. Okay, Well, there are

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Speaker 3: the point. That was my That was my Who's number two?

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Speaker 3: Bry Shung?

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Speaker 3: You want to you want to? Okay, now that we're

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Speaker 2: Coleridge Stroud the fourth.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you had the first three picks correct.

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Speaker 3: I had Will first, Bryce, second in CJ. So I

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Speaker 2: Who's fourth? Jalen Carter? Nice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are the four that I had. Those are

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Speaker 3: went to the couple of Clemson guys, which I missed

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Speaker 2: I had Jackson Smith and Jay but eight, Michael Mayer ninth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're also evaluated without their final college season, right,

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Speaker 1: That's a little difficult. So flying blind right there.

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Speaker 3: So we had a little fun after we were done

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Speaker 3: don't know that he had ultimately the greatest season in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, But as he was kind of looking

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Speaker 3: over my shoulder, I was like, check it out, Henry

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Speaker 3: Lavata David the Bucks.

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Speaker 2: And he loved it.

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Speaker 3: He loved it. But I looked at it and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: whoa this is? This is pretty close on Henry.

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Speaker 3: He's long and rangy, with gap feeling, runs, stopping skills,

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Speaker 3: transitioned into Nick Saban's defense in twenty twenty one. He

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Speaker 3: didn't appear then. That didn't appear difficult at all. In fact,

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Speaker 3: the story I told him here was in training camp

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Speaker 3: it was like he's been there four days, agoes, No,

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Speaker 3: he's running the defense already, and that came to fruition

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Speaker 2: He didn't run a defense, and he did. He did

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Speaker 3: coming in so he signals Christian Harris. He gives Christian

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Speaker 2: You could tell he knew what was coming. He's kind

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Speaker 3: Kind of getting Christian's attention, and they ended up making

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Speaker 3: I've been a big fan of Henry for a long time,

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Speaker 3: so it's like going back and looking at at these

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Speaker 2: And the Texans ended up taking him.

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Speaker 3: The other one that I had in my others receiving

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Speaker 3: Tank Dell. Tank Dell in my last two cents is

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Speaker 3: he's just tiny, and some teams won't like tiny. That's

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Speaker 3: And there were people that were dogging in for this

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: I thought he had that, But I also thought that

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Speaker 3: Will was going to be that guy that worked at

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Speaker 3: that's the thing. We knew he's now from the locker room.

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Speaker 3: We knew he'd been productive in college. We'ren't exactly sure

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Speaker 3: like how exactly he's an NFL team going.

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Speaker 2: To use him, But that guy is. That guy has

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Speaker 3: just I love the fact that two of the three

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Speaker 3: that spring have turned out to be the rock star

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Speaker 2: For this team. It's just incredible.

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Speaker 1: Think about absolutely top three and that became the top

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Speaker 2: Stroud era. Okay, Draft coming up Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to remind you of this, but Johnny,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask you right now, Okay, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: Nick Casserio trading down ruining the draft party. I joke

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Speaker 1: almost I just want to see people's reaction, Like, do

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Speaker 1: they know that this is probably the best thing for

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Speaker 2: I would think that you should buy in.

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Speaker 1: But I get it people are gonna be all beveraged

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Speaker 2: What the hall is and we all will.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think the chances are of something

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a decent chance. Decent chance. I

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I would put trade up, trade down,

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Speaker 3: stick and pick. I don't know that they're really I

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Speaker 3: think everybody would say, oh the chalk is you stay

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Speaker 3: the Texans that Nick's dealt with and dealt with successfully.

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Speaker 3: There are teams below them he's dealt with and dealt

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Speaker 3: there's gonna be a sixty percent chance stick and pick,

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Speaker 2: So I just it's gonna get interesting to me.

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Speaker 3: I think it's more what I'm thinking, what I think

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Speaker 3: to go. We got into holest That was what happened.

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Speaker 3: That was how Rick Smith got the deal done for

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Speaker 3: And really it was kind of the Cardinals holding out

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Speaker 3: Then you move down to number thirty two, and now

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Speaker 3: can't disappoint them.

439
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Speaker 2: So you got to give me something on.

440
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Speaker 3: A really good trade down deal, and he'll get extra

441
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:41,239
Speaker 3: land yap for that.

442
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, because what did we say last week? Friday

443
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Speaker 1: night is the night. That's the night. And if I'm

444
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Speaker 1: a GM Johnny, look, I want a great player in

445
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Speaker 1: the first round. Well what if I don't think there's

446
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 1: a real great player right there, exactly specially at twenty five. Yeah,

447
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 1: so you drop down, you get more picks in the

448
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Speaker 1: second and third round. Look at it like this, The

449
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Speaker 1: more picks I have in the top one hundred, the happier.

450
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I got exactly one hundred players here.

451
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 1: I got three teams of players basically, and I get

452
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Speaker 1: to pick these guys and not awesome.

453
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Speaker 3: And there's not much difference between twenty five and thirty

454
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Speaker 3: five other than the fact that one the cutoff between

455
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 3: thirty two and thirty three sins everybody overnight back home

456
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Speaker 3: to sleep and come back on Friday.

457
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Speaker 1: He's saying pick number forty is almost as good as

458
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Speaker 1: a first rounder.

459
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Speaker 2: Is that what you're telling me?

460
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Speaker 3: It could have been. It could have been if you

461
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Speaker 3: drafted the guy that went in forty.

462
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Speaker 1: One, Jonathan Taylor, it could have been. Oh man, all

463
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Speaker 1: the gift that keeps on giving. Oh god, I mean seriously, Uh,

464
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Speaker 1: there's there.

465
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Speaker 5: Oh.

466
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you and Drew did this on

467
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Speaker 1: in the lab, but man, there are a lot every

468
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Speaker 1: team can do this. So this is not a textile

469
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Speaker 1: exclusive swings and misses. Not just swings and misses, but

470
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Speaker 1: you know, waiting for the next pitch or two where

471
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Speaker 1: it could have really been a hit out of the park,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, like Benny joppru ahead of Jason Witten. Witten

473
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Speaker 1: one of the greatest receivers. I know he's a tight end,

474
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Speaker 1: but he's one of the greatest receivers. The numerically in

475
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Speaker 1: the history of this league. You know, he's incredible.

476
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Speaker 3: I think the thing about those mark there are some

477
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Speaker 3: that you see in real time and you go, oh god.

478
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Speaker 3: There are some that take a little while for it

479
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Speaker 3: to develop. Yeah, that one with Taylor going to forty one.

480
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Speaker 3: Immediately we were in trouble. You you were not. We

481
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Speaker 3: were immediately in trup.

482
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Speaker 1: Thinking, Man, Ross Blacklock, they better be right on this one.

483
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Speaker 1: They better have hit the nail on the head with Ross.

484
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Speaker 3: Not only not only do we not get Taylor, we

485
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Speaker 3: not to face him twice a year.

486
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Speaker 2: That really sucks. That's really the worst part of all this.

487
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Speaker 2: Whoever ended up with him happened to wear a horseshoe

488
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Speaker 2: on that rot.

489
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Speaker 1: I think this. There is no way I'm going to

490
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Speaker 1: predict this right now. There's no way Nick is going

491
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Speaker 1: seven seven picks without a selection, which is currently the

492
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Speaker 1: situation right between the eighty ninth pick and the third

493
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Speaker 1: round and one sixty six.

494
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Speaker 2: In the fifth round. There's no chance that that happens.

495
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Speaker 1: Nick is not gonna let two and a half round

496
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Speaker 1: roll off the board, sits there and does nothing.

497
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Speaker 2: We don't need any of these guys. We're fine. It's

498
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Speaker 2: not no way.

499
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Speaker 1: I just can't believe that would be his internal belief.

500
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Speaker 1: And Cal's gonna be sitting there in the draft room like, well, Nick,

501
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Speaker 1: how's the h how are these seventy seven picks going?

502
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Speaker 2: You know exactly?

503
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Speaker 1: No, no pro bowlers in here and any of these

504
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go out for lunch on Saturday.

505
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: Like that's you know, that's not gonna have it stands now.

506
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Speaker 2: I mean Cal doesn't have to.

507
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Speaker 1: I mean like he wants to be in and witness everything,

508
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: So DOA's Hannah. I'm sure they want to witness all

509
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Speaker 1: their conversations. And look, I would just want to hear

510
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Speaker 1: what Nick is talking about with everybody else and with

511
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: Lip and Demico and you know what's on his mind

512
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Speaker 1: as these picks are going. Yeah, you want to talk

513
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: reality show? I mean, how much would you.

514
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: Pay for that? Oh, there's there's an immeasurable amount. You know.

515
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Speaker 1: I would absolutely just record it all and then decide, okay,

516
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: we can release of all the hours of the draft

517
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Speaker 1: of the sixteen hours. Let's say we can release thirteen

518
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Speaker 1: hours of it? Oh charge your fans? Are you kidding me?

519
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: I know you you'd be watching an hour a night.

520
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? Mene watch that whole thing stay up

521
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Speaker 2: all night?

522
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Speaker 3: Oh I would, I would you guys, Hey, is John

523
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 3: coming in today for work?

524
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Speaker 2: Nope?

525
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Speaker 3: What's he doing? Oh he's watching He's watching the draft room. Yeah, absolutely,

526
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Speaker 3: I mean I've I've always I've always wanted to be

527
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Speaker 3: in a draft room just to kind of listen what's happening.

528
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Speaker 1: When you love that movie Draft Just listen. You love

529
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: that movie Draft Day. That's so realistic. It's so very realistic.

530
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Speaker 1: That's why I'd like you leaving the room all the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm leaving the room again.

532
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Speaker 3: I'd like to see it in reality. I'd like to

533
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Speaker 3: see what it looks like.

534
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Speaker 1: So, hey, I would hang out in that draft room

535
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: just to hear what Dennis Leary has to say, because

536
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: he's so entertaining.

537
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: You know, I love Dennis Lear would rather listening to

538
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: Miko Ryans or Dennis Leary's character.

539
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: You know, I used to go to a comedy club

540
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 1: in Boston before Dennis Leary was famous, and he used

541
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Speaker 1: to do a show.

542
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: It was a basement.

543
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: Comedy club called played against Sam's, and he used to

544
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: do open It wasn't open mic night, he just hosted

545
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: Thursday nights and he was just blissed, I mean, bloodshot eyes,

546
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: just had he hit it big at that point, No,

547
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: we knew he was. We thought it was you know,

548
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: we had pictures of Beard. It was cheap and he

549
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: brought Stephen right up once to try the material.

550
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Speaker 2: It was awesome.

551
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: Anyway, Dennis Lear is the best one, and he played

552
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Speaker 1: the head coach and draft day. But in order for

553
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Speaker 1: Nick to make this happen to have a pick or

554
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Speaker 1: two among the seventy seven that are going to go

555
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: by between rounds three and five when the Texans pick,

556
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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to, you know, part with some of

557
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: that you know, loose change, like you say in the

558
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: seventh round, he's got two picks there. That fifth, I

559
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: don't know how he's gonna do it. Where he's gonna

560
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: slide one of those thirds back. I mean, he's you

561
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: get to pick up some more cakes one of those thirds.

562
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Speaker 1: Those one of those thirds gonna have pretty good value.

563
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Speaker 3: I think seventy nine could be the one, and you'll

564
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: have room between fifty eight and eighty nine. But you

565
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 3: take seventy nine and you move that down to get

566
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Speaker 3: into the top part of the fourth round and you

567
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 3: pick up some land yapp and maybe you pick up

568
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: another fifth rounder, so you get a fourth and a

569
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Speaker 3: fifth in there because you got cooking now you've got

570
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: kind of the distance between. But again, it all as

571
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: Nick said, it comes down to you know, those trades

572
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: are player driven. You know, somebody's got to be interested

573
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Speaker 3: in what's sitting there at seventy nine, and they've got

574
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Speaker 3: to have the additional draft capital to be able to

575
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Speaker 3: go up and get it. So I would mind sticking

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Speaker 3: and staying at seventy nine and eighty nine. But if

577
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Speaker 3: seventy nine could turn into one twelve and one forty five, yeah,

578
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Speaker 3: I take that before you got to go to one

579
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Speaker 3: sixty six.

580
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Speaker 2: But it's it's a great point because it's a trade off.

581
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Speaker 1: I mean, you have two third rounders right there, right,

582
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: but you have two second rounders next year.

583
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: Correct, two second rounders next year.

584
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 5: Yep.

585
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: So because you have Washington's and you have hours, it'll

586
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Speaker 2: be interesting.

587
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: And one of the things those we're gonna burn a

588
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: hole in his pocket and exactly exactly, I got twenty dollars,

589
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: I gotta spend it.

590
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: Uh, it's just a matter of do you want to

591
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: be twenty dollars this year? Do you want to be

592
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: twenty five dollars next year? So either way, but that

593
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 3: that to me is how you use next year's picks.

594
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: And Nick's always got a pretty good handle on how

595
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: you how you do that. Now he had a lot

596
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: of stuff to work with after the Watson trade. Now

597
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 3: that's that's gone. So now you're just dealing with your picks.

598
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: But you got somewhat that Laramie trade, et cetera. So

599
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 3: how do you use all that? What do you turn

600
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Speaker 3: that into? So I think it's gonna be interesting to

601
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Speaker 3: from from my perspective, like what they do. I don't

602
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna be upset either way, because I'm only

603
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 3: upset if I'll be upset with one pick. If one

604
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: thing were to happen, and that be that they don't

605
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: trade up, they sit at twenty five and the Vikings

606
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Speaker 3: draft Tyler Booker, that'll be upsetting. That will I will

607
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: cry and you will miss me for the Texans pick.

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Speaker 1: And having said that, it's the old you gotta let

609
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: it play out because you'd never know that Titus Howard,

610
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: not that you felt that way, but a lot of

611
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: people felt that way.

612
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: That I missed the boat on Andre Dillard. I've read

613
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: I think it was Albert I can't remember.

614
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: I read this somewhere where somebody somebody decided not to

615
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 3: play in the bowl game for Alabama and they had

616
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Speaker 3: to go explain it to Tyler Booker before they could

617
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Speaker 3: do it. I'm like, oh my god, I want this

618
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: guy so badly. Oh my god, come on, please let

619
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Speaker 3: him beat at twenty five.

620
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Speaker 1: He could have all the X factor of leadership stuff.

621
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Speaker 1: He's got to be able to play. He's got a

622
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Speaker 1: fly level.

623
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Speaker 3: All that falls on deaf years if you can't play,

624
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: and you definitely could do it in college, and so

625
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: he's got to prove it. He's got to prove it.

626
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: But I think you would have every opportunity to do

627
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: it here for sure.

628
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Speaker 1: Okay, coming up, we're gonna check it with Jonathan Alexander

629
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Speaker 1: of the Houston Chronicle, his thoughts on everything he's been

630
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Speaker 1: seeing this week around the building with the Houston Texans

631
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Speaker 1: reporting for off season conditioning voluntary off season condition and

632
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Speaker 1: we'll get to some other stuff at the podium here

633
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: on Texans Radio. As promised here on Texans Radio, Mark

634
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: Vandermin and John Harris with you. We catch up every

635
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Speaker 1: week with Jonathan Alexander, your Texans beat writer from the

636
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Speaker 1: Houston Chronicle.

637
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Speaker 2: One day, will he have the status of John McLean.

638
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 2: We'll see.

639
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: He's got a long way to go as far as

640
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Speaker 1: years are concerned. Let's get to our weekly visit with Jonathan. Okay, Jonathan,

641
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Speaker 1: before we go anywhere else. Your review of CJ. Gardner

642
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: Johnson at the podium today. That was a pretty entertaining

643
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: debut for him as a Texan.

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Speaker 6: Definitely entertaining. I mean, you know, he was wearing the Fedora,

645
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 6: the Cam Newton staff for Dora. You can tell he's

646
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 6: a character. You know, he mentioned about finally being the

647
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 6: elder statesman having to grow up. But I can tell

648
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 6: I'm going to enjoy press conferences with him and talking

649
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 6: to him in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Well, the question is do they bring him to the

651
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: podium every week or is it going to be locker

652
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: room only? Yeah?

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00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's exactly?

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Speaker 3: Because I got a feeling that CJ speaks his or

655
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: is he like to say C or eight, which right

656
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: now John Metchi has eight.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see that goes.

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Speaker 3: But I did see a tweet from CJ that he

659
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Speaker 3: was going to bring back his college number, which is

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Speaker 3: twenty three, a through versy of Florida.

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Speaker 2: So that's gonna be kind of interest. Is that available?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Eric Murray had.

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Speaker 3: Murray had it? Yeah, So I don't know if anybody

665
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: lay claimed to it before that. But he said, you

666
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: call him c or eight and he looked around. He's like, well,

667
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Speaker 3: I don't have a match. He's got it. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: he is definitely gonna be a character, no doubt. Okay, Jonathan,

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Speaker 3: I purposely, knowing that we were gonna talk to you today,

670
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Speaker 3: I purposely did not look at your final mock draft

671
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Speaker 3: because I want to be uh not surprised.

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Speaker 2: I want to see what you have to say.

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Speaker 3: I want to get an organic reaction to it. I

674
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Speaker 3: don't know if you want to give it, maybe give

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Speaker 3: a hint to it. Your final mock draft. What did

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00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: you do for the Texans?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's going to be interesting to see

678
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 6: what happens, particularly with these first two pigs. I do

679
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 6: believe that Nick Caserio will be aggressive, and in my

680
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 6: final mock draft I had the Texans taking Tyler Booker

681
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Speaker 6: with the twenty fifth pick, but with a caveat, I

682
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Speaker 6: believe that top on their draft board is Kelvin Banks Junior,

683
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Speaker 6: and if he were to fall, then they would take him.

684
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Speaker 6: Having said that, I went through a ton of scenarios looked.

685
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 6: I mocked the first round and I couldnt figure out

686
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Speaker 6: how he got passed.

687
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Speaker 7: Cincinnati at seventeen.

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Speaker 6: I think Cincinnati could take him the Seahawks, even the

689
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Speaker 6: Seahawks at eighteen could take him San Francisco at eleven.

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Speaker 6: There are a lot of teams that could take offensive tackles,

691
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Speaker 6: and I think he'll be gone by the time the

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Speaker 6: Texans pick. But I do know they like him. I've

693
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Speaker 6: talked to a few people about that. I think Tyler

694
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Speaker 6: Booker is another guy. I could also see a scenario

695
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 6: where Booker and Banks are off the board, and I

696
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 6: think in that case it depends on who's left. Is

697
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Speaker 6: a Mecca eg Buka on the board. I do know

698
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 6: they talked to him and he's gotten raver views. Josh

699
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 6: Connelly is another guy that they like. But I like

700
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Speaker 6: taking a Mecca and then trading up to get Connorley

701
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 6: with that second round picking. Like I mentioned, and I

702
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 6: put in my mock draft, I have Booker going and

703
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 6: I have them moving up to get Connorley. They have

704
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 6: the extra second round pick that allows them to move up,

705
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Speaker 6: as well as the extra third round pick this year.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jonathan Alexander with us from the Houston Chronicle. Jonathan,

707
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Speaker 1: all Right, you said Nick might be aggressive here, but

708
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Speaker 1: it takes two to tango. If he can't make a

709
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: deal and Booker and Banks are off the board, maybe

710
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Speaker 1: even a Buka's off the board at that point, what

711
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Speaker 1: do you handicap it as for lack of a better

712
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Speaker 1: way of putting it. What chance does Nick have to

713
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Speaker 1: ruin the draft party, Jonathan, and trade out of the

714
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Speaker 1: first round. Not that the draft party is the number

715
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Speaker 1: one priority, but it is a factor.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think that you also have to find somebody willing

718
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 6: to move up and who's desperate to move up. In

719
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 6: that case, I do think it's a I think they've

720
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Speaker 6: looked at what they could get in a move back

721
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Speaker 6: the move if they were to move back, I think

722
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 6: Donovan Jackson becomes a target at that point, but I

723
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 6: think it is more likely that they'll stay put at

724
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Speaker 6: twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm gonna hate you both.

726
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Speaker 3: With Albert Breer's thoughts which came out, Albert had a

727
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Speaker 3: couple of articles and he said this today. I want

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Speaker 3: both your reactions, Jonathan, you go first, speaking of line.

729
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: This is Breer speaking speaking of lineman. We have another

730
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Speaker 3: team that has at least started sniffing around on a

731
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Speaker 3: trade up, and that's the Houston Texans. It's no secret

732
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Speaker 3: that Houston needs offensive line help, and I'd expect to

733
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Speaker 3: target the Texans to target strong character players as they

734
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Speaker 3: continue to remake that room. With the possibility that Will Campbell,

735
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Speaker 3: Armamembu and Kevin Banks Junior are all gone inside the

736
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Speaker 3: top ten, the next group of linemen could get moved

737
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: up the board a bit. And the Texans have two

738
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Speaker 3: teams in front of them. I'm saying at least the

739
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Speaker 3: Green bat Packers and the Minnister of Vikings that could

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Speaker 3: take an offensive lineman. Your thoughts, Jonathan, I mocked, You've

741
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Speaker 3: done this. You did this with Tampa Bay. You got

742
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Speaker 3: Kevin Banks Junior.

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Speaker 6: I mocked a trade up. I believe that the tech

744
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised. Like I said, I think Nicko

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Speaker 6: Saire's gonna be aggressive. I just don't think that they

746
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Speaker 6: would move past a certain point because that would require

747
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Speaker 6: significant draft conversation. You know, I think moving up six

748
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 6: spots sixty seven max is probably where they'd go. But

749
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Speaker 6: I also think that they think that they can possibly

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Speaker 6: get a good player at twenty five. So it really

751
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Speaker 6: is going to depend on how the draft board shakes out.

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Speaker 6: What many of these teams who are who are kind

753
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Speaker 6: of unknowns will do. What are the Carnos going to do?

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Speaker 6: Are they going to take a tackle? Yeah, you know,

755
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Speaker 6: I think it's possible.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, or guard?

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Speaker 1: You know, well, that's too bad because Nick knows his

758
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: phone number, and that would be a trade candidate. As

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Speaker 1: far as the match between those two guys trust each.

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00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: Other, yeah, Yeah, they've don't work together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done some They've made beautiful music together. As

762
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: far as we see it, would he move up with Atlanta?

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00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: Obviously not the Atlanta.

764
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Speaker 2: Is gonna want to move. Atlanta wants picks. He only

765
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Speaker 2: got five, Okay, so.

766
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Speaker 3: I can see Atlanta moving. He knows many. Awesome for it.

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00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: The Bengals won't move. The Bengals just always sit and pick.

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Speaker 3: They stick a pick every year. What do you think

769
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Speaker 3: about that trade up? Do you think Breer's onto something.

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Speaker 3: Here's one other thing that he says a little later

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Speaker 3: in the article. One player I've heard the Tennis Brier speaking.

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Speaker 3: One player I've heard the Texans have done plenty of

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Speaker 3: work on is Donovan Jackson Ohio State. Okay, which they

774
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: shouldn't have to do a whole heck of a lot

775
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Speaker 3: of work. He's from Houston and he played with their quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yes, still should know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I've heard the same and I'll put that in

778
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Speaker 6: my in my mock draft story that they've actually done

779
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 6: a lot of research on him recently, like the research

780
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 6: and the talks with people at Ohio State. I have

781
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 6: a swears at Ohio State and they've been calling about

782
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 6: Donovan Alatt Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: How many trades in the first round. Just give me

784
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Speaker 2: a number, come out, it's time to predict. Wait, set

785
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: a number and then go over under. Okay, let's go,

786
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Speaker 2: oh five, I.

787
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 7: Think it'll be less than five.

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00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: Wow.

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00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: Wow, that's all that's got crazy with that number. They

790
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: would jump all over that number. They would Yeah, it's

791
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: take they take take the other at four, put it

792
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Speaker 1: at four. I'll put it at four. But listen, Okay,

793
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: you know how this goes. I know, I know we

794
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: haven't had the pre draft trades, but you know, once

795
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: we get to that night, it's gonna be ping Pongah,

796
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a pinball machine. Hensley is gonna be

797
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: getting a lot of airtime on Thursday Night. I predict this.

798
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over five, over five, I'm going six.

799
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Speaker 2: Wow, six, you're going I think it's gonna be three.

800
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Speaker 1: Okay, once we get one, that's gonna get that that's

801
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: gonna break the seal. It's kind of like that first

802
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: trip to the restroom when you're at the bar and

803
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you gotta go every half hour.

804
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Speaker 2: This is from my memories.

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Speaker 3: We always have that when it's a draft like this, Oh,

806
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 3: they're gonna be a bunch of trades because everybody's boards

807
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: are gonna look differently, and oh there's a run on this.

808
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: As a run on that.

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00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: Really, to be honest, there maybe two players that you

810
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: can legitimately go, Okay, I'm moving up for that guy.

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Speaker 3: I'm going up for genty, I'm going up potentially for

812
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 3: one of the linemen.

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00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: But you're forgetting one important thing. I'm going Jonathan, I'm

814
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: going I'm going three or.

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Speaker 1: Four quarterbacks become real popular on draft night, and I know,

816
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: but this is not the Kenny Pickett Draft.

817
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: There's some guys here who are attractive.

818
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean, well, it's just Sudor Sanders right now, which one, Hey,

819
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Speaker 1: I saw Willis.

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Speaker 2: Win a big game.

821
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Speaker 3: I know, I know, he just took him a little

822
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Speaker 3: while to develop. Nobody's really good. I mean Matt Carrall

823
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 3: and Elie Willis in that particular draft. Yeah, I mean, look,

824
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Speaker 3: I'm with Jonathan though, I think three or four trades

825
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: probably probably it. And but and I the more I

826
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Speaker 3: but the more I mean, I go back and forth

827
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 3: on this every day. I mean, I do think that

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Speaker 3: there will be a player that ends up at twenty

829
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Speaker 3: five of all these guys that we talked about that

830
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: we go, oh, there's Zabel, or there's Connorly, or there's Banks.

831
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Speaker 2: Somehow at twenty He's not kidding twenty five.

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Speaker 3: The more I've thought about this, bookers, there are twenty

833
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: to me, and then I go back to this booker

834
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Speaker 3: twenty five. So that's who you shuttled on, Jonathan, was

835
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Speaker 3: your your your final pick? I just feel like, and

836
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: we've talked about it the last couple of days. When

837
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Speaker 3: CJ's gone up there, both CJ's are gone up there

838
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: to speak, when Will's spoken, when Petriot has talked, when

839
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Speaker 3: Demiko has talked, it's very clear there's a right kind

840
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: of guy for Houston, and Booker feels so much like that.

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00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, I mean everything you hear about him, you know,

842
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 6: just a leader. He I remember seeing Demko talk about

843
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 6: the kind of offensive lineman he wants, wanting somebody gritty

844
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 6: like Tyler. Booker exemplifies that, and he happens to feel

845
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Speaker 6: the position to need yes, considered the best guard in

846
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Speaker 6: his draft class.

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Speaker 7: So if he's there, and Booker, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean, and Banks is not on the board, I fully

849
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Speaker 6: expect them to take that chance on him unless unless

850
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 6: they unless they think that they could get him a

851
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 6: little bit further in the draft, and they don't think

852
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 6: the guys behind him will take him. But I think

853
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 6: there are a few teams in this draft looking for

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Speaker 6: a guard.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: We'll be asking you to this question a lot throughout

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Speaker 1: the next several months, all the way until the end

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00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: of the season.

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Speaker 2: What do you think so far?

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Speaker 1: And all we have to go on is press conferences

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00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: Nick Kelly and CJ. Stroud the relationship based on what

862
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: they've said, what do you think so far of what

863
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: you're feeling about the projection of this offense's performance with

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Speaker 1: those two.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just think this seems to be the correct match.

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00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 6: You know, Nick Keyley is giving CJ Stroud the rains

867
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Speaker 6: to take control of the offense. I think one of

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Speaker 6: the things that CJ was a little bit frustrated about

869
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Speaker 6: was the fact that he couldn't make checks at the

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Speaker 6: line of scrimmage. You know, they left that up to

871
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Speaker 6: the center, and now Kaylee has given him that rain.

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00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 6: And you know, during the interview process, everything I heard

873
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 6: was that the Texans were looking Demiko was looking for

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00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 6: an offensive coordinator that would build his offense around CJ.

875
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 6: Stroud and his strengths, and so far that seems like

876
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 6: Nick Kylee has been doing that. And everything I heard

877
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 6: about Nick Keayley was that he was a down to

878
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 6: earth guy like you, was a guy that you have

879
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 6: a beer a beer with or he throw a party

880
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 6: for his kids and he have a big beer keg

881
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 6: for the adults and a karaoke for the kids. So

882
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 6: it just seems like a perfect fit. He's seems like

883
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 6: a people's person and obviously he's very smart and has

884
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 6: a lot of ton of experience.

885
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: Jonathan how far As you go with your mock draft.

886
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 7: I did seven rounds for the Texans.

887
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 8: Specifically, Okay, I know you don't want to give up anything,

888
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 8: but rounds two through seven, was there a pick that

889
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 8: either you were really conflicted on you weren't sure about

890
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 8: When you look back, you're like, man, I don't know,

891
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 8: or you look back and you go, yeah, this is

892
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 8: a slam dunk right here.

893
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 7: Yeah.

894
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 6: When I got to the fourth round, I hadn't had

895
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 6: a receiver yet, so I was trying to choose between

896
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 6: a receiver that I had never heard of that would

897
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 6: probably be considered a reach, or take one of the

898
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 6: best available playmakers who could.

899
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 7: Also catch divulge. Uh yeah, Arizona states Cameron.

900
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 6: How do he pronounce his last name? I don't want

901
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 6: to mispronounce his last name. The running Backcataboo Skataboo. Yeahah.

902
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 6: I picked him as he was on the board. He

903
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 6: was best available, and to me, they've looked at running

904
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 6: backs in this draft and he fits as a different

905
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 6: type of player than Joeffer. And then you got Damian

906
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 6: Pierce on it on the end of his rookie deal,

907
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 6: So you know, I think that's an extra playmaker for

908
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 6: for for CD stride. If he's there, that could possibly

909
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 6: be a guy cam scataboo in Houston. The fans would

910
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 6: go nuts for that. Oh that would be that draft

911
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 6: weekend that were very bad. That would be the one

912
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 6: everybody was talking about.

913
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: Very popular, absolutely, Jonathan.

914
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: So with you have your final mock draft out there

915
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: in the Houston Chronicle, what about the coverage this week

916
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft.

917
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: Uh?

918
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll be me and my coworker Sam Mormon will

919
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 6: be covering it from every angle. I'll have a profile

920
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 6: on Nick hopefully coming out tomorrow. Oh so that should

921
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 6: be interesting. Still finishing doing the finishing touches on that,

922
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 6: but yeah, that should be coming out. So please look

923
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 6: on Houston Chronicle dot com for more of it.

924
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: Sounds great, Jonathan, Thanks a lot, Thanks for having me.

925
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: All Right, there's our weekly visit with Jonathan Alexander of

926
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: the Houston Chroniclecrime dot Com. All right, coming up, some

927
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: closing thoughts from the podium from head coach Tamiko Ryans,

928
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: among other things before we send it away.

929
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: And tomorrow is Draft Eve. I think that should be

930
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: an official holiday. We'll see if it catches on.

931
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: It's Texans Radio final segment on the show tonight and

932
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: as we discuss some podium highlights. Jamik o'rians this week

933
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: with his team getting back to work in the offseason

934
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: conditioning program voluntary, Damiko Ryans talked about what's most important

935
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: for the players during this time of year.

936
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 9: The most important thing for me, what I asked our

937
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 9: guys today and our meeting is just be where your

938
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 9: feet are, right. We have a limited amount of time

939
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 9: to be here. Like, Let's be where our feed are.

940
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 9: Let's be connected, like, let's talk to our teammates. Let's

941
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 9: not walk around with our heads down on our cell

942
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 9: phone all the time, eyes up, eating lunch with each other,

943
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 9: truly connecting with one another, and we'll improve upon the football. Right,

944
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 9: It's about you put the right work in. You'll get

945
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 9: better at your craft, but let's get better at connecting.

946
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 9: Let's get better at the football. Coming in with the

947
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 9: right attitude and attitude to learn, attitude to grow. If

948
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 9: you come in with that mindset, guys will really maximize

949
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 9: you know, these nine weeks we have here in the offseason.

950
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: See, this is what I love about him. One of

951
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: the things he makes me want to be better. I mean,

952
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: people listen to him. You can always glean something for

953
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: your life out of what Tamiko Ryans has to say,

954
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: What CJ. Stroud has to say about this offseason, how

955
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: it's different from his first off season which was the

956
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: draft stuff, the pre draft stuff and ramping up as

957
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: a rookie, and last year's first full off season as

958
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: a pro.

959
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: How's this year different?

960
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 5: This is experience, you know, just more like more games

961
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 5: on my belt, not only games, but just like an

962
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 5: off season, a free time, OTAs drafting, like draft schedule,

963
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 5: things like that. Just just comfortability with those type of things.

964
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 5: So that's been the most Probably the best thing is

965
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 5: just being used to like how things go, trades and

966
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 5: all types of stuff. So it's nothing you get comfortable

967
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 5: with completely, but you find comfort in it more as

968
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 5: you get more experience.

969
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: I feel the topic of leadership came up. Where is CJ.

970
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: Stroud on that?

971
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

972
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 5: You know, for me, I always believe in just serving leadership,

973
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 5: serving in any way I can.

974
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: And like I told you.

975
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 5: Before, my coach and college coach Fitch, taught me the

976
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 5: most important job, the only job really quarterback has is

977
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 5: to make everybody around them better and whatever that looks like,

978
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 5: that's what I want to do. And you know, it's

979
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 5: been nice. You know, now I feel like I got

980
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 5: another year under my belt, more experience, you know, more

981
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 5: comfortability with just how the NFL works, how the league works,

982
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 5: how the city works, how everything. You know, just being

983
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 5: a quote unquote quarterback NFL is. You know, it's something

984
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 5: that no one can can teach you about. You got

985
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 5: to experience it, got to make mistakes, you gotta fail,

986
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 5: you gotta do good, you gotta do bad. And so

987
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 5: that's that's what I plan to do, is just use

988
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 5: those experiences to help others and you know, be a

989
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 5: servants to one another, to you know, to help. You know,

990
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: it says in a word that iron sharpens iron, so

991
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 5: another man sharp is another. So that's what I plan

992
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 5: to do.

993
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: CJ.

994
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: Stroud, entering year three, sounds like a twenty eight year

995
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: old veteran and he's a third year guy, so he's

996
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: been in the league for a while, but he sounds

997
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: even more mature than that. Will Anderson Junior also heard

998
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: from at the podium this week, and he was asked

999
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: about the defense of course, and we talked about CJ.

1000
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson and the impression he made on us earlier today.

1001
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: He's made an impression on his teammates well, he and

1002
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: other additions to the defense and just the defense being back.

1003
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: They were bawling late last year and they're ready to

1004
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: hit the ground full throttle this year.

1005
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 4: Man, And my emotion has been everywhere for me those

1006
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 4: last one play off games, Like for me, I'm like,

1007
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: you gotta do that every game. You know what I'm saying,

1008
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 4: Like that's just been my emotions and I'm like, bro

1009
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 4: like going into this division I see for our team,

1010
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: division I see for the defense is like the sky's

1011
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: the limit, Like if we come out batting like that,

1012
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: nobody can touch us. And it starts now. And it's

1013
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: been nice to see everybody in the locker room, everybody

1014
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: being here, even the vest, and that just shows how

1015
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 4: much they care about the program and where they want

1016
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 4: to see the program go.

1017
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 7: And like one guy, I.

1018
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 4: Gotta highlight like I have my highlight with A Z's

1019
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: last year, CJ. Gardner Man, Like today was my first

1020
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 4: day meeting him, and he is everything I knew he

1021
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: would be, like competitive talk smack and I love it

1022
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: and we got we need those type of guys in

1023
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 4: the locker room that lightning you know to lighten everybody's

1024
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: mood a little bit, and so like it's fun. Man,

1025
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 4: football is fun, and he brings that energy.

1026
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: Boy does he an energy infusion. Not that they needed extra,

1027
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: but I guess you can never have enough. They're always

1028
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: looking for guys like that, and they'll be looking for

1029
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: more of them in the upcoming NFL Draft starting in

1030
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: forty eight hours on Thursday night, I'll be there with

1031
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: John Harris and Andre where at the draft party George R.

1032
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: Brown Convention Center, Avenida to Houston. It's gonna be fun.

1033
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: And then Friday night here in studio, Saturday, all day

1034
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: in studio, Sean Pendergast helping us out, Robert Hensley. It's

1035
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun to cover the NFL

1036
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: Draft and see what picks the Texans end up with.

1037
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: And we'll finally have the answers to their questions. What

1038
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: will Nick do with Round one? All the other picks,

1039
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: how many trades will they make? It'll all unfold in

1040
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: real time right here Texans Radio on Sports Radio six'.

1041
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Ten that's gonna do it for the show. Tonight this

1042
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: will be up in podcast form soon. Enough area forty

1043
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: five coming. Up stay tuned for, that have a great.

1044
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: Night Go.

1045
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: Texans