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Speaker 1: Welcome to you Stuff you should know from house Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant and Jerry's with us,

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Speaker 1: and this is stuff you should know. The podcast not

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Speaker 1: affiliated with any gang. No, No, I would have thought

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Speaker 1: that goes without saying. You never know stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: Army that's our gang. Yeah, I guess so nerds rolling

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Speaker 1: around dropping knowledge. Yeah, that's how we roll. Our symbol

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Speaker 1: is Infinity gang sign. I don't think that should be

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Speaker 1: our symbol. No, No, it's um a perfect circle. No,

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Speaker 1: I think the the mike with the mean our regular logo.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's a symbol. We just need to learn

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Speaker 1: how to make it and spray paint. Yes, actually that's

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Speaker 1: dated what we've just said. We just mentioned spray painting

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Speaker 1: your gang sign. But that's old time people. They still

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Speaker 1: do that. No, gangs have evolved so much. Yes, some

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Speaker 1: people do still do it, but from what I understand,

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Speaker 1: gangs have basically come to see that. It's like, why

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Speaker 1: why would you do that? It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: You're basically you're marking your territory, right, You're marking yourself

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Speaker 1: whereas it's better to stay out of the hands of

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Speaker 1: law enforcement and not through a gang sign or tag

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Speaker 1: something with your gang symbol than to do that. Gangs

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Speaker 1: are wisending up and they're just not committing crimes any

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Speaker 1: longer because that puts them under the police microscope. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that they are committing crimes still, they're just

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Speaker 1: not UM. I don't think they spray paint their stuff

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Speaker 1: as much. They're definitely UM getting more sophisticated in some

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Speaker 1: gangs that've I've seen that like mortgage fraud and identity theft, counterfeiting,

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Speaker 1: like are some of the human trafficking one, So the

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Speaker 1: new crimes um. So before we get started the chuck,

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Speaker 1: I want to say that throughout this reading The Stuff

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Speaker 1: or the House Stuff Works article and doing research, I

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Speaker 1: was plagued by this idea that, like, we don't really

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Speaker 1: have a real idea of how many people are in gangs,

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Speaker 1: how many gangs are in the United States, exactly what

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Speaker 1: kind of problems like gang problem we have. Is it overstated?

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Speaker 1: I suspect it might be overstated gangs. So this is

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Speaker 1: so the FBI compiles this report every few years and

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Speaker 1: in the original House Stuff works article. It cites the

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Speaker 1: two thousand five National Gang Threat Assessment, right, and it

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Speaker 1: says there's twangs and seven hundred and thirty one thousand

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Speaker 1: active gang members. Two thousand eleven, which is the most

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Speaker 1: recent one from what I could find, has not too

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Speaker 1: many more gangs thirty three thousand, but one point four

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Speaker 1: million gang members. Thousand more gangs, I guess it is, okay,

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Speaker 1: but one point four million gang members. The number of

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Speaker 1: gang members between two thousand and five and two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eleven, according to the FBI, doubled, doubled. And okay,

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Speaker 1: if that's the case, right, what why what happened between

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Speaker 1: two thou five and two thousand and eleven? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: because the gang heyday was in the eighties and nineties. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, So what would cause gang membership to skyrocket

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Speaker 1: to double from two I don't think significant. I have

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Speaker 1: one guess, uh, federal grants going to police departments, UM

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Speaker 1: that say they have a gang problem. So maybe they're

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Speaker 1: inflating the numbers. Maybe, Okay, what if they're not inflating

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Speaker 1: the numbers? The thing that I think the internet, no,

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Speaker 1: the economic crisis. If you go back and look at

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Speaker 1: the history of gangs, and if you look at all

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Speaker 1: gang um activity, yeah, gang banging. If you if you

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Speaker 1: underlying causes, if not basically the underlying cause is a

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Speaker 1: lack of access to economic opportunity a k. Nothing else

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Speaker 1: to do, no job prospects, and then already being surrounded

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Speaker 1: by gangs or the possibility of gangs leads to an

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Speaker 1: increasing membership. So we have this economic crisis in the

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Speaker 1: because of the economic crisis. Didn't that touch the middle

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Speaker 1: and upper middle classes more? Though? I mean, was there

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Speaker 1: by the economic crisis. Yeah, I mean I knew it

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Speaker 1: Like housing kicked the whole thing off. But like the

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Speaker 1: because they've got to survive. Now, where are the lower

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Speaker 1: your stuff. You should know fortune on that. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: I would all the millions. All right, Well, we may

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Speaker 1: as well go and talk about white people join gangs

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Speaker 1: because you just teased it. Poverty is a huge reason. Um,

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Speaker 1: that had unemployment rates of between four and seven percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they say that gang related homicides account for close

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Speaker 1: but there are some like sociologists out there saying this

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Speaker 1: is this is overstated. Yeah, I don't think anyone saying

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Speaker 1: think anybody's disagreeing that there's a gang presence. I think

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Speaker 1: the degree to which there is a gang presence. So Chuck,

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Speaker 1: Justice Policy Institute called Violent Children two dozen send um

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Speaker 1: it provides kind of a counterpoint to it. Because if

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Speaker 1: I'm not excusing the idea that like, oh, you have

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Speaker 1: Like there's like there's still morality. There's still plenty of

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Speaker 1: and they're they're immoral little kids coming out of the

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Speaker 1: you should start asking critical questions about where this stata

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Speaker 1: just start asking questions like what everybody calmed down, agreed, sir?

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Speaker 1: Uh so back to why you might join a gang,

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Speaker 1: um peer pressure. I love that that's listed, uh because

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Speaker 1: is when you're getting pressure to joining gang, they seek

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Speaker 1: the roots. The crypts, bloods, both high schools, that's right.

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Speaker 1: The blue, the red, those are the high school colors.

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Speaker 1: That's right. We'll get to them later. Um boredom we

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Speaker 1: in disrepair. So these shuttered communities don't have a lot

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Speaker 1: but I have a family right over here. This gang

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Speaker 1: now I have a sense of community finally through this gang.

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Speaker 1: And some gangs actually have set up overt community programs,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and we're not trying to say like gang

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Speaker 1: to quietly reinvest money in their own communities. Well yeah times,

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Speaker 1: local community. Absolutely sure. So let's talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: Gangs of New York. Yeah, stripe pants, stripe pants, oh man,

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Speaker 1: not like Cameron Diaz. I forgot she was in it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: She was I've had that same nightmare. I don't. I

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Speaker 1: um forgot a good movie though. I think I really enjoyed. Mean,

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Speaker 1: an I liked it. And what's this Daniel Date lewis Man,

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Speaker 1: what a great character. Um. So, anyway, that movie was

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Speaker 1: based on fact because in the nineteenth century in New

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Speaker 1: York and Five Points, Um, you had these ethnic gangs,

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Speaker 1: the Irish gangs, Polish gangs, Italian gangs, and they all

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Speaker 1: turf wars like today, like you know what, gangs they

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Speaker 1: kind of have always been about turf to a certain

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Speaker 1: degree they were about turf and that is we'll see

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Speaker 1: one of the ways that you can divide um gang gangs.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the definitions of gang is a turf gang.

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Speaker 1: But they were also um ethnic gangs typically as well,

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Speaker 1: hear my theory behind the economic crisis of the nineteen seventies, No, no,

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Speaker 1: these gangs went away, and they're so so. By the

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Speaker 1: Even if they are turf gangs, they're usually also divided

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00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: among ethnic lines because people tend to live a segregated

424
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: life still in states like in in five Points, if

425
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: you're an Irish gang, you're Irish neighborhood gang probably all

426
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: Irish people, not necessarily just because it was an Irish gang,

427
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: but because that's where everybody lived. Yeah. Uh, there's also

428
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: prison gangs. Um. Most of the time they are just

429
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: affiliations in the prison of the gang you're in on

430
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: the outside, like there's bloods and cripts in prison. But

431
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: sometimes they form new gangs in prison um that were

432
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: are not part of the outside world. And I love

433
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: how one of these guys, one expert in the article

434
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: here said putting young gang members in prison is like

435
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: sending sending them to criminal college. So it's not like, oh,

436
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: we took a gang member, put him in jail, and

437
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: then you don't have to worry about that anymore because

438
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: they're in prison. But lots of bad things still going on.

439
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: Listen to our Prisons episode for that man. We've covered

440
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff piecemeal. Huh. So there's also

441
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: female gangs. Yeah, those are on the rise. Yeah, female gangs,

442
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 1: um supposedly originally started out is basically like um, like

443
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: booster gangs made up of like gang members, girlfriends, wives

444
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: like here, hold all these guns for us, right, or

445
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: they're just like we're gonna do our own thing or whatever. Um.

446
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: Then there's also female gangs that have nothing to do

447
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: with other male gangs. There's also co ed gangs. They

448
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: really don't care what gender you are. And do you

449
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: want to hear some of the sister gangs titles their names. Uh,

450
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: the Bad Barbies, the Harlem Hilton's, and the Hood Barbies

451
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: are some of the what they call sister gangs. And um,

452
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: like you said, they originally were just sort of like

453
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: help helped up the men. But in some cases now

454
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: they are like their own legit gangs who are are

455
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: pretty tough because they want to make a name for themselves,

456
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, as a as a gang of women who

457
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: can also be murderous, you know, like we can we

458
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: can do these things as well. Feminism. They actually the

459
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: article I read, no it did. The article I read

460
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: said that second wave feminism is one of the underlying things.

461
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: But they said it's a very like tinuous link, you know,

462
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: like that may have spurred things, right, like you know,

463
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm a woman gonna golf and do my own thing.

464
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: But it's a gang after all. But that that co

465
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: ed gang that I mentioned, that's an example of another

466
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: type of gang, of hybrid gang. It seems like hybrid

467
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: gangs are the ones that are, like UM, the ones

468
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: on the rise. Because these this is where I got

469
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: the idea that UM, people don't tag like they used to,

470
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: they don't wear colors like they used to, because there's

471
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: hybrid gangs. And hybrid gangs are made up of people

472
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: who might come from rival factions. They break up and

473
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: reform with different membership from time to time. Um. I

474
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: don't think on any set schedule or whatever, but I

475
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: think it's probably something that happens organically. They may have

476
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: co ed members, they have members of different ethnicities, they

477
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: may not have colors, right. Um, it's just it's some

478
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: melunge of gang members that aren't cut and dried and

479
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: hierarchical like the traditional idea of gangs are. And apparently

480
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: these are the gangs that are around these days. Mostly

481
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: I can't say that that are maybe the fastest growing

482
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: type of gang or hybrid gangs. Yeah, and they do.

483
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: I was was not joking about the Juggalos. They do

484
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: list them as a hybrid gang in four states. You

485
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: have to what states are I know New Mexico's one.

486
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: I think Washington is another one. Yeah. They said that

487
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: they're not super organized and their crimes are sort of

488
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: sporadic and willie nilly, but they're increasingly violent the crimes are,

489
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: so they are worried about them. You know, you're just laughing.

490
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm over here just being quiet, gotcha. Uh, gang initiations,

491
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: If you um go to join a gang, there is

492
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: probably an initiation that you will have to go through.

493
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: And um I found some There many different things, uh,

494
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: throughout the years that have taken place to join a gang.

495
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Um initiation by cop because you've got to kill a cop.

496
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: They said, that's pretty rare these days. Understandably. Again, I

497
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 1: really feel like we might be entering just just urban

498
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: urban legend territory here. Oh no, dude, this was this

499
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: was a gang expert researcher. This is like from a

500
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: Stanford paper. Okay, he's just making stuff up. No, I'm

501
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he's making it up, but I wonder

502
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: like how much of it is just verified or if

503
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: it's just chatter. Well, he went on to say it's

504
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: a rare thing. So are you saying no one's ever

505
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: killed a cop. No, I'm not saying that, but I

506
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: think it's fine. Go ahead. Being jumped in or beat in,

507
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: that's when you have to be basically get whaled on

508
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: by all the gang members at one time. Um sexed in.

509
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: That's used to initiate women into male dominated gangs where

510
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: basically they have to have sex or are forced to

511
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: have sex with a bunch of guys in the gang. Right,

512
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: And what I read is like in a co ed

513
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: gang in particular, that's not necessarily the way that women

514
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: get in. Some women get beat in, sure, uh jacked

515
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: in and you commit a theft. There's something called the

516
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: gauntlet where you um basically run between two lines of

517
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: gang members and you have to run the gauntlet where

518
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: they're while they're beating on you. As well. A lot

519
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: of these sounds like little games. There's one called catching

520
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: a flag or a rag, where it's literally like there's

521
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: a rag in the middle of the thing and you

522
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: got to get the rag and get out of there,

523
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, and one piece or one where they drop

524
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: freeing Hoover where they there are sixpennies that are thrown

525
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: on the ground and you can't leave until you get

526
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: all those sixpennies off the ground. What does that have

527
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: to do with Hoover. I have no idea Hoover. I

528
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: haven't I don't know, I'm not. I don't know that

529
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: it's Lincoln. It didn't say freaking Lincoln though. Uh. And

530
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: then you know being courted in, which I thought was

531
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: super interesting. This is when they invite somebody like a

532
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: doctor or a lawyer who is sympathetic to their cause

533
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: and like you can be invited in very nicely, and

534
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: it said or electricians, which is kind of funny. Weird. Yeah,

535
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: I guess somebody's got to keep the clubhouse wired. Um.

536
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: I had not heard about courted in, but I did

537
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: run across it, like in indirectly with um talk about

538
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: gangs going after um like military and law enforcement and

539
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: lawyers or legal um, legal field people um to join

540
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: their gang. Yeah, biker gangs especially apparently are really target

541
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: former military and that's you know, for good reason. These

542
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: people are highly trained and skilled and weapons and uh,

543
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: they would imagine be how they sought after And UM,

544
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: it's not just the former military supposedly, apparently there are

545
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: also um like active duty military. Yeah I had they

546
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: said fifty three different gangs are represented in the U. S. Military.

547
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: That's scary. Yes, yeah, it is because the people have

548
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: access to some really high powered guns. That's right. Uh

549
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: should we take another break? I think so. All right,

550
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit more about what's going on

551
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: these days in gang land, right for this? All right, so,

552
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: what's an average day of the gang member? Like I

553
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: love Ed's description here. They sleep late, they sit around

554
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, and they drink and do drugs. Later on

555
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: they meet up at a pool hall or some other

556
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: like local hangout and hang out and do some more

557
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: drugs and drink some more. I think probably what he

558
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: mentions next is what a gang member's daily life is

559
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: like is like selling drugs. Depending on your hierarchy. UM,

560
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: if you are, say a member of M eighteen or

561
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: MS thirteen, you're doing local enforcement for transnational drug cartels. UM,

562
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: and so you may be involved in picking up a

563
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: crate of UM humans that were shipped across from Mexico

564
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: or UM you may be involved in mortgage fraud if

565
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: you're one of the sharp ones that was probably corded

566
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: rather than jumped in. Um, there's a lot of different

567
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: stuff you're gonna be doing. And right about here is

568
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: where it becomes clear where you should stop and ask

569
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: the question, like, wait a minute, what is the difference

570
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: between a street gang and it just organized crime? Oh? Yeah,

571
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: I mean not too much of a difference. The the

572
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: the answer that I could come up with, the closest

573
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: thing to an answer I could come up with, is

574
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: the street gang is a looser association of organized crime.

575
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes other times it can be a very tight organization

576
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: of organized crime. But basically they're almost indistinguishable. It's just

577
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: a street gang will have more overt affiliation, UM, and

578
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: it's usually a lot more localized. That makes sense. So

579
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: listen to our episode on the Mafia, Yeah, which is

580
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: basically street gangs that were whipped into shape and organized

581
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: weapons these days are getting kind of scary. It's um,

582
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: It's not the old days of chains and knives, especially

583
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: with the former military and the involvement and the just

584
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: accessibility of these weapons these days, body armor, police gear, UM,

585
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: like high powered assault rifles like you name it man.

586
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: Another thing where if if gangs have infiltrated the military,

587
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: actively infiltrating the military or trying to recruit military or

588
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: your law enforcement people, um fed is a real danger

589
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: to that is getting their hands on like some serious

590
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: guns because it's not like these are guns that you

591
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: can just buy anywhere. No, No, you have to steal

592
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: them from the right people, that's right, or get the

593
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: right people to get them for you. Yeah, they're not

594
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: going to the gun show. Well, yes they are, are

595
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: they Yeah, but you can't buy you know, military grade

596
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: weapons necessarily at all gun shows for the good stuff.

597
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: Native American gangs is a thing though apparently they were

598
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: born in the nineteen eighties and nineties, and one reason

599
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: was a sort of identity and solidarity that has been

600
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: um declining in Native American parts of the country over

601
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: the years, and UM protection is a big one. UM

602
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: Between two thousand two Native Americans experience experience violent crimes

603
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: at double the rate the rest of the United States,

604
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: and six of that violence was incurred on them against

605
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: them by white people, so they're kind of banding together.

606
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: And fifty of those cases weren't even pursued by police.

607
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: Apparently I would guess that would lead to increase gang activity. Yeah,

608
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: so they're banding together in forming gangs, and I think

609
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: they're affiliating with a more Hispanic gang culture. Oh yeah,

610
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: what I could tell it was a really interesting article

611
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: on Al Jazero website, which is really good, super interesting read.

612
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: But we'll post that with our our additional links that

613
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: we're doing. Now, how about that, thorn tooton? What else? Chuck? Oh,

614
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: I've I've got it, Yukuza. We did a podcast on

615
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: the Yukusa Asian gangs. Yeah, you can go listen to

616
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: that one. Um, but what do you what do you do?

617
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: If you're in a gang, you want to get out,

618
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: you gotta murder somebody, you know. So there's this urban legend.

619
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: I read this, Uh, I read snippets from a book

620
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: um called Gangs in America three by c Ronald Off,

621
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: and he compiled a bunch of interviews with gang members

622
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: and former gang members, and one of the things that

623
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: emerged was this, there's this myth that if you want

624
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: it out of the gang, you have to kill your

625
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: own mother. Right in some cases, um, they will you

626
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: have to get beat out like you're beat in almost

627
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: like the circles complete. Sometimes you have way more people

628
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: on you than you did when you were beat in UM.

629
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: But more often than not, what emerged from these UM

630
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: interviews was that they they left either by moving or

631
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: they stopped claiming affiliation with the gang, or like they

632
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: got a job or something just in their life changed.

633
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: They just yeah, they just walked away. And there wasn't

634
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: like a pursuit to the death, because you can't ever

635
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: leave the gang. There was a couple of people that said,

636
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: like they were told stuff like that, but when it

637
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: came down to it, in reality and practically, they just

638
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: stopped being part of the gang. The problem is is

639
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: when you leave the gang, you're very freak only UM

640
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: you you might have gang tattoos still and you kind

641
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: of need to get rid of those, yeah or else.

642
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: Who knows what can happen because you're no longer in

643
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: the gang anymore. So a lot of UM post gang

644
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: transition UM groups. There's this one called Homeboy Industries that

645
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: I ran across. One of the things they offer is

646
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: tattoo removal of gang tattoos. Yeah, they can get kind

647
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: of expensive. Well, you could get your tattoo removed for free.

648
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: To call them I thought about that, and I'm like,

649
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they've fall for it, and it doesn't

650
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: look like a gang tattoo. There are also lots of

651
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: UM gangs from in the United States now set up

652
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: from UH immigrants, Like Somali gangs are a big problem

653
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: UH in Minneapolis apparently, Yeah, that's there's some in Clarkston. Yeah.

654
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: Right here in Georgia, Somali gangs. And then you know

655
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: Dominican gangs, UH, Sudanese gangs, Caribbean gangs, Jamaican gangs. UH.

656
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: Every country it seems like, has some sort of operation

657
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: going Here in the US, I don't know how vast

658
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: they are, but UM, in certain areas of the country

659
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: they're causing some trouble. And again it makes me wonder,

660
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: like how much of it is due to a lack

661
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: of access to economic opportunity? Like do people want to

662
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: be in gangs? If given the choice to not be

663
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: in a gang? It seems like from everything I ran across, Chuck,

664
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: the answer is like no, they would probably rather have

665
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: just a regular job or something like that. Because and

666
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: this is one of the reasons why gangs have become

667
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: so attractive over there's in stays so attractive is they

668
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: often offer like the best avenue to income around. You know,

669
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: you just have to commit crime for it. Um. And

670
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: they and Ed points out that is probably the most

671
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: effective way to try and stop gangs. It's not to

672
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: just have a police crackdown, because I think everyone knows

673
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: you shut something down on one street corner, it's just

674
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: going to move to another street corner and that's probably

675
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: not doing much good. Um. So they have programs called

676
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: weed and seed programs throughout the country now from the

677
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: Department of Justice, where they weed out the worst gang members. Um.

678
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: And see that's what I think is going on. Like

679
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: when you say I think they all probably just want jobs,

680
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily the case. I think there

681
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: are the hardcore uh that have no interest in getting

682
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: a job, yeah, because they're making way more money than

683
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: they could with a regular job and it's just their lifestyle.

684
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: And um, those are the ones who are trying to

685
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: weed out in favor of trying to leave the rest

686
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: that they think that can be rehabilitated. And they called

687
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: the second part of its seating, which means seating the neighborhood. Um,

688
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: giving them more stuff to do, maybe job opportunities or

689
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: a rec center or a library or a pool, because

690
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: again you're talking very largely about like juvenals here. Yeah,

691
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: fix the playground like little things that making their neighborhoods

692
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: uh less prone to boredom. And I don't mean sound

693
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: naive like all gang members just want a legitimate job.

694
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: So everybody go give them good jobs and the gang

695
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: problem will go away. That's not at all what I'm saying.

696
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Like There's always going to be people who are like,

697
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: no matter what I do, I can make way more

698
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: money selling drugs, and I can like trying to go

699
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: get a regular job, and I'm comfortable with just selling

700
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: drugs and like rolling the dice and living life that way.

701
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: There will always be people like that. The only way

702
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: to get rid of that, most likely is to like

703
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: take away the prohibition of drugs, I would guess, and

704
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: then you don't have like street corner drug dealers any longer.

705
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: But from what I'm seeing in in this research, if

706
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: you provide economic opportunities, gang membership at large tends to

707
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: dry out more. You're always gonna have organized crime, But

708
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you're gonna have a gang problem necessarily.

709
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: Do you got anything else could I possibly, Uh, well,

710
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: it's closed in with UM the list of the FBI's

711
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: Most Dangerous Gangs Florencia thirteen, the Order of Them. No,

712
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: I've heard of some of the other UM Latin games. Yeah,

713
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: they're tied to the Mexican mafia. Uh. There's the Barrio

714
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: as Teca out of Texas and apparently they run the

715
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: They worked with the Warez cartel, so they're doing serious business. UM.

716
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: The Latin King Nation, the Latin Kings MS thirteen. Um,

717
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: they're definitely on the FBI Most Wanted list that I

718
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: they're from El Salvador. Yeah, and then so M. E

719
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: teen is from Mexico. Yeah. Those tattoos on MS thirt

720
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: team and that's pretty amazing stuff. It's like full facial tattoos.

721
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: We did a tattoo episode two. He did uh in

722
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: New York. You have the Trinitarios, Um. They were formed

723
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: in the prison system in New York in the nineteen eighties.

724
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: And then there's a few more. You can just look

725
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: them up. I don't think we need to go through

726
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: all these man alive the Mongols they're still around. Yeah,

727
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: there's a huge like UM biker gang shooting in Waco,

728
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: and this month. I think it was just a couple

729
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Yeah, cops and cops shot a lot

730
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: of them, and they shot each other's bad scene stuff

731
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: at Starbucks. I think again. Um, if you were in

732
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: a gang, we would love to hear from you, so

733
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: listen up for the ways to contact us afterwards, or

734
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: if you're a former gang member, whatever, We're We're interested.

735
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: How far off the mark was? I let me know, Um,

736
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about gangs, you're just

737
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: a regular Joe. You can type street gangs in the

738
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: search part how stuff works dot Com and it will

739
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: bring up this article. And so they said search parts.

740
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: Time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this five year

741
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: old mother. Um, hey, guys. While working through my two

742
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: AM ship this morning, I was barreling through the male

743
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: puberty episode for the sake of stuff you should continuity.

744
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: When Chuck made a comment about the female body and

745
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: how it probably couldn't handle childbirth at five years old.

746
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: Of course, this is the episode where my brain decides

747
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: to chime in and contribute. I'm not sure if anyone's

748
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: pointing this out, but there was a proving girl named

749
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Lena Medina who gave birth to a baby boy in

750
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: ninety nine via c section at the age of five

751
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: years and seven months. Oh, my goodness. And he said

752
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: he snoked it too. And he said, after being brought

753
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: to a position due to what her parents suspected to

754
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: be a large abdominal tumor, I was discovered she was

755
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: actually pregnant. If you're feeling the ambivalence of simultaneous fascination nausea,

756
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: I believe that to be the general response. Um. Though

757
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: they initially suspected her father, the identity of the man

758
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: whom impregnator was never confirmed. Cann't help but wonder about

759
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: the developmental implications that would surely arise in such a scenario.

760
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: But her son apparently lived at the age of forty,

761
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: having been raised under the impression that Lena was his sister. Crazy,

762
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: my goodness. And that's from Brian. W Wow, Brian, thanks

763
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: for letting us soon about that. It rings the Vegas bell.

764
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: When when was it? Did he say the nineteen thirties?

765
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, it doesn't. Yeah, yeah, I remember when that happened.

766
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: Well you could remember reading about it now, uh, Brian, Yeah,

767
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: Brian W Thanks Brian. UM, if you want to get

768
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: in touch with us, like Brian did, Like we said,

769
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: if you're a game member of former game member, we

770
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: want to hear from you, if you have a correction,

771
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,840
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