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Speaker 1: Scarable advice. Welcome to the Naughty even Night Show and

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Speaker 1: your host wrong shooter. And it's Thursday, which means our

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Speaker 1: dear friend Mark Lubo joins us. Hey, Lupi, are you there?

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Speaker 1: Lubi lewis here, Hey Lupi, lou. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: of new faces joining us today to yesterday. I did

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Speaker 1: see one Elvis Durran, a friend Elvis Mark. He says

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Speaker 1: his love he listens lower lower low. And so I

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Speaker 1: did obviously show yesterday. I was meant to come on

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Speaker 1: for like five six, seven minutes. So they're called segments.

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Speaker 1: When you get booked on a show, you're not booked

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Speaker 1: on the whole show. You don't do the whole show.

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Speaker 1: You go on for a segment. So I turned up

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Speaker 1: with all my gossip, and I knew what funny things

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Speaker 1: I was going to say. I met in that little

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Speaker 1: coffee shop across the street mark where we used to

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Speaker 1: go and get Crosslands. So when I said I met,

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Speaker 1: I met myself there. So it sat there whenever my

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Speaker 1: I thought of some funny jokes and I was all

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Speaker 1: ready to go, and after my ten minutes, Elvis was

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Speaker 1: like stay for the hour. I love him said, thank

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Speaker 1: you Elvis, And if you are a listener of Elvis

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Speaker 1: Iran and discovering the Naughty Button Night Show, you are

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Speaker 1: welcome here, my friends. Let's jump in. What time is it?

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Speaker 1: It is Tita, you get it. I know we have

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Speaker 1: to explain things today because we've got so many people.

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Speaker 1: We Loveen's participation to all the naughties. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be annoying today because you know the rules. We love

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Speaker 1: you singing along. It is tea time. Big story at

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Speaker 1: the top of the show. So Harry and Megan have

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Speaker 1: been demoted on the Royal Family website. Officially demoted. You

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Speaker 1: know it's over when the website pushes you all the

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Speaker 1: way down to the bottom of the list. If you

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Speaker 1: go to the Royal Family website, honestly, you have to

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Speaker 1: scroll down DA data Data DA. It's like Alice in Wonderland.

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Speaker 1: And then right at the bottom, get this next to

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Speaker 1: disgraced Prince Andrew. Who that's where you fired Harry and Megan.

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Speaker 1: So they have moved around a little bit. So when

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Speaker 1: once again we have to be fed, they decided they

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Speaker 1: stepped down in they were pushed just below Princess Anne.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, I'll do there below Princess to Anne. But

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Speaker 1: now that that King Charles the third, it's still wild

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Speaker 1: saying that, isn't it? I want to say, Prince Charles.

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Speaker 1: Now that King Charles the Third is on the throne,

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Speaker 1: they're pushed right down to the bottom, next to disgraced

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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew. So, Mark, I guess we shouldn't be shocked

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Speaker 1: working family, they're still members of the family, so we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be shocked. But it was a little a little

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Speaker 1: jarring when I pulled up that website, Mark, and I

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Speaker 1: But I will say, you know, there was some kind

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Speaker 1: of uncertainty, like maybe did they make up while they

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Speaker 1: I think the snub kind of tells us that things

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Speaker 1: so I've been hitting the phones the last week, and

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Speaker 1: that I get it. I get it. But now they're

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Speaker 1: absolutely no private meetings while Harry and Megan were there.

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Speaker 1: They did not meet one on one with King Charles.

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Speaker 1: They did that walk about outside Windsor Castle, but there

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Speaker 1: was no private meetings and there were no big, deep

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Speaker 1: I think it might have been a missed opportunity. Obviously

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Speaker 1: And when I knew this would happen, when she passed,

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Speaker 1: going to a wedding altogether this weekend. So you didn't

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Speaker 1: Like you said, your mom is the texting, your dad

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Speaker 1: think about all this new So Harry and Megan have

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Speaker 1: been demoted on the Royal Family official website. So this

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Speaker 1: is not a fan side, it's not Naughty Gossip, it's

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Speaker 1: not my site, it's not t MZ. This is the

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Speaker 1: official family website. Think of that for one minute. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine the LOOPO official Family website or the Shooter

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Speaker 1: or yours? So now they are right at the bottom.

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Speaker 1: Is this right or is this wrong? I can't wait?

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Speaker 1: what are you working on that? Yeah? I got a

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Speaker 1: wacky story for you. So Keenden, Thompson's a stranged wife

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Speaker 1: I just creepy. So TMZ is reporting that they are

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Speaker 1: dating and claiming there's no bad blood between Thompson Red

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Speaker 1: new couple are saying that Red and Evangeline became official

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Speaker 1: within the last year and that there was no cheating

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Speaker 1: Kenyan and kel Alam and Evangeline reportedly have been living

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Speaker 1: separate lives since two thousand nine. Oh so it's been

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Speaker 1: over for a bit then, Yes, that is true. But

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Speaker 1: in April Thompson in The Interior Designer split officially after

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Speaker 1: nearly eleven years of marriage. But we're co parenting their

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Speaker 1: two daughters, Georgia who was eating Gianna. That's right, they

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Speaker 1: So I've met both of them. I was a judge

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Speaker 1: keenan a lewer lewer low really nice guy, somebody that

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Speaker 1: I don't personally find sexually attractive. Now I've also met Chris, tiny,

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Speaker 1: You know. I would not necessarily think he was my

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Speaker 1: I sort of trying not to judge people's relationships because

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Speaker 1: so I try not to judge. I also know too,

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Speaker 1: that working with celebrities there's this almost incestuous world. But

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Speaker 1: they it in and they don't ever sort of go

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Speaker 1: out and meet new people. So the dating pool is

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Speaker 1: they're very very clear about this. There was no cheating.

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Speaker 1: They'd been over for a while. So if you see

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Speaker 1: I mean, I like how you stretched it. It's very

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Speaker 1: probably losing this battle. Okay, let's move along. So Billy Eichner, Oh,

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Speaker 1: have you ever been blocked on Twitter? Who's blocked you?

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Speaker 1: I have been blocked on Instagram and Instagram. Jonathan Shaban,

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Speaker 1: the food guard blocked me. Now, what did you say? Well,

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Speaker 1: no more food guard. I couldn't find him blocked. I've

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Speaker 1: known him for like thirty years. We're both young publicists together.

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Speaker 1: I'm the reason he's got Kim. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: make it all about myself, but let me tell you so,

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Speaker 1: I was invited to dinner with me Paris Hilton, this stylist.

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Speaker 1: We didn't really know her. Her name is Kim and Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: Like twenty years ago, Paris was a big star. Jonathan

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I could be best friends with Kim

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Speaker 1: Kardashian instead of best friends with you, and I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: change it for the world. I've been blocked, and I don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't actually get a notification when you're blocked. You

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