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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Jason McIntyre, Straight five, Wednesday, November eleven. You'd think it

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Speaker 1: would be a quiet midweek show, right. We got the

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Speaker 1: NBA Draft coming up next week, and we do have

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Speaker 1: a great interview later in the podcast with Matt Babcock former.

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Speaker 1: I guess we can call him a college former college

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Speaker 1: basketball player one game. Uh, he was an agent for

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Speaker 1: a minute. Now he runs a college basketball NBA draft site. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's super interesting and we got some interesting back and forth,

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Speaker 1: especially on LaMelo Ball. Neither of us love him, but

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that shortly. Remember subscribe, rate and review,

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Speaker 1: and now let's quickly get to three. I think are

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Speaker 1: kind of big stories in sports. Um. I think number

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Speaker 1: one is big Ben is on the COVID list. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the dealers are undefeated. Ben Roethlisberger on the list, but

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Speaker 1: he does not have COVID. It sounds like a Matthew

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Speaker 1: and I guess he sat next to or near Vance McDonald,

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Speaker 1: So now Ben has to sit out for I guess

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Speaker 1: four or five days. And I know the Steelers are undefeated,

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Speaker 1: and they had the Bengals this week divisional matchup. The

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Speaker 1: line has come down. It was nine and a half,

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Speaker 1: it's down to seven and a half. The Bengals are

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Speaker 1: a cover machine this year, six and two against the spread.

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Speaker 1: Joey Burrow, Joey covers Joey backdoor. And my brother lives

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania and he's got you know, all his friends

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Speaker 1: just taking a week off. He hurt his knee. You

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Speaker 1: know it's the Bengals though. Win. Listen, the Bengals are frisky.

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Speaker 1: This is by no means a layup. Um. I do

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Speaker 1: think the defense could shut down Burrow the way the

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Speaker 1: Remember we just talked about it, Mike Tomlin. Against under

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Speaker 1: never automatic when you're playing a really inferior opponent. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is in the division and Tomlin owned Andy Dalton

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Speaker 1: a big story. They do not have the number one

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Speaker 1: respect on their name. The second NFL story Rob G's

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Speaker 1: why people are really worked up um So. Roger Goodell

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Speaker 1: instead of going with as Peter King said on this

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Speaker 1: that is insanity. We've seen teams even with a week

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Speaker 1: the week prior uh in the NFL playoffs, and Goodell's

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Speaker 1: rob G, you're a huge Chris Paul fan. Any thoughts

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Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into the podcast a guy who

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Speaker 1: point guard, and he's gotta he's got a nactive makes

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00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: spectacular plays, and um, I actually Anthony Edwards has got

426
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: the most upside in the draft. Um, and with LaMelo. Um,

427
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, even with that talent that there are concerns. Uh.

428
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: You know obviously the Ball family, I mean there's been

429
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: so much, so much negativity surrounding them and drama, and

430
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's probably so many different things we can

431
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: say about that, right. But um, you know, in the kid,

432
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: if you're scouting him, you know, he doesn't apply himself

433
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 1: on the defensive end, takes a bunch of bad shots. Uh.

434
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: You know, he hasn't done very well in these interviews supposedly,

435
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: and um that there's there's just a lot of negativity

436
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 1: attached with him. And so I mean I think there's

437
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: a good chance he could slip a little bit. What

438
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: do you mean by a little bit? Do you think

439
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: he's fallen out of the top five. Well, I don't

440
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: expect him to go number one. Um, I believe that

441
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: he is in consideration for Golden State. I don't think

442
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: what's all said and done. If I if I had

443
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: a bet on it, I don't think he's going number two. Uh.

444
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't go number two, I think the

445
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 1: you know, the next pick would for him would be

446
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: four with Chicago. I think Chicago is gonna pass on him. Um,

447
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: and he's just he's fallen to a you know, sort

448
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: of like a slippery slope there with where he doesn't

449
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: fit the teams. So if he doesn't go to Golden

450
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: State and there's not crazy shake up trades, which there

451
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: might be. Um, I think he goes to Detroit at seven, Huh,

452
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,959
Speaker 1: that would be a fault. Now, I guess my issue

453
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: with drafting him. If you're Cleveland, right, your culture stinks,

454
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: it's been terrible forever the rosters. Who knows what that is?

455
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I hate to dog Michael Jordan, but

456
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: similar in Charlotte. Like, I don't want to say he's

457
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: gonna fail if he goes to one of those two places,

458
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be tough for him, right. Uh. This

459
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: is a guy who's gonna come in everywhere he's gone.

460
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: He's been the guy, and now he's gonna be dealing

461
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: with a bunch of guys who don't think he's the guy.

462
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna be coming at him. We saw that with

463
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: Alonzo in l A. Right, he never totally fit. I

464
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: don't know if he's fitting with the Pelicans right now. Um,

465
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Speaker 1: do you think there is Alonzo like the stench of

466
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: Alonzo kind of attached to him at all. LaMelo, No,

467
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: actually I don't. I mean, you obviously hasn't worked out

468
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: that well if Alonzo so far, I mean they Anthony

469
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: Davids saying, you know, it was pretty unique. I mean,

470
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: the Lakers an opportunity to get one of the best

471
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: players in the league. So I mean he can't judge

472
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: him on that too much. But does seem like things

473
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: have gone stale in New Orleans in a short amount

474
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: of time for for whatever reason. But you know, Alonzo's

475
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: reputation is better than the Melos. I mean La Melo. Uh,

476
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: you talked people, you know behind closed doors. I mean,

477
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: entitlement comes up a lot, you know, And uh, that's

478
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: that's a problem because I mean he's a good player.

479
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite there yet. And um I

480
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: talked to a friend of mine that's a media member

481
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: and he was on the big media call with with

482
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: a Melo recently and somebody asked him about his shooting

483
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: mechanics and you're already looking to change it, and uh,

484
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 1: this gets got twenty percent from three this year, trusses

485
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: the entire you know, media saying I don't need to

486
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: change my shot. I could shoot it fine. It's just

487
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, kind of gives an example

488
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: of its kind of this gets kind of entitled. I

489
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: thinks everything should be handed to him, and I don't

490
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: think he's quite there yet. I think he's got upside.

491
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: That's only one part of the equation here. And so

492
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean if he were to say he were to

493
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Speaker 1: go to go him State, who obviously has a very

494
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 1: well established backcourt with Steph Curry and Clay and then

495
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: you got Draymond Green, who's, uh, you know, a very

496
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: vocal leader. You know. If this kid's you know, pulling

497
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: his crap and taking bad shots and not playing defense,

498
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how that's gonna work. Yeah, it's it's

499
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: it's a tough fit for him anywhere. Let's go to

500
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Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards, a guy you like the most. I heard

501
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: Tom Crean compare him to Dwayne Wade, which I thought

502
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: was a little bit much. Now Crean coach Wade at Marquette. Um.

503
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: I think Edwards physically looks the part, but yeah, there's

504
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: just something about I heard somebody compare him to Dion

505
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: Waiters in that we don't see the dog all the time,

506
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: Like he's not. He doesn't have the dog mentality that

507
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: Wade did. Did he like under recruited. Uh you know,

508
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm nobody respects me. I'm gonna kill everybody. That's what

509
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: Wade kind of he came from nowhere. Uh, Anthony Edwards

510
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: has kind of been touted for a while, right. Oh yeah,

511
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: not for sure. And I mean I think he's a

512
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: product of grassroots basketball right now. I mean a lot

513
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: of these games is they roll the ball out there

514
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: and you know there's all these cameras around and these

515
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: guys play for their their highlight video, right and uh

516
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: and so you know, I think Anthony is very young.

517
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean, comparing him to Joanne, I could see where

518
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: it's coming from. I mean, the physical tools just thraw talent.

519
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: I mean, this kid is a big time, big time talent,

520
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: and he just hasn't learned how to play yet. It

521
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: seems a little a little bit immature. Uh you know bad.

522
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: You know, shot selection is absolutely garbage, and you know

523
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: some similar issues as LaMelo, like doesn't play defense, so

524
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't play the right way. Um. You know, if

525
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: if he played like Join did, where he really utilizes

526
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: physical tools and got to the whole and got to

527
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: the line. I think he'd be a lot more effective.

528
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: He really depends on um, you know, creating his own shot,

529
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: but taking bad shots like contested threes. And he's capable

530
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: of hitting tough shots, but I you know, I wouldn't

531
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: want him to depend on that completely. And you know,

532
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: up to this point, he hasn't proven that he's willing

533
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: to do anything else. Yeah, so do you think he

534
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: goes one to Minnesota? Huh? Well, I know Minnesota's trying

535
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: to trade the pick. I think it's I think it's

536
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: easier said than done because I mean with the parody here,

537
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think teams probably want the pressure

538
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: of having the number one pick. I mean, right or wrong,

539
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: the media, the fan base, um, you know, the player's

540
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: inner circle. I mean that there's a lot of pressure

541
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: with being a number one pick, and I don't know

542
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: if you want that. And it's more more expensive contract,

543
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, so if you're getting you know, comfortable player

544
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: without the pressure and a little cheaper you know, why

545
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: why trade up? And so, uh you know they may

546
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: they may trade it. I know Charlotte wants number one

547
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 1: to get Wiseman. So that's a possibility, but I wouldn't

548
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: be surprised if they stayed put and just said, hey,

549
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: you know what, there's so much doubt here, let's just

550
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: go with the highest upside guy, which I think is

551
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I think

552
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: Minnesota had picked up a kid from Denver via trade

553
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: and the kid got like a d u Y Beasley. Yeah,

554
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: so it's yeah, so it's Millik Beasley. So they trade

555
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: trade from at the trade day, like game up a

556
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: first round pick. And he really did well in fourteen games,

557
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: average over twenty points a game. He's just a he's

558
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: a big time talent. But he did get in trouble.

559
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: It was a deal, it wasn't a d uy. So

560
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: what it was is uh, he'd uh he pulled a

561
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: gun on his neighbor. And sometimes I don't know. I

562
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: mean i've heard I've heard mixed reviews. I mean, I've

563
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: read the reports and it just does not sound good

564
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: at all. I've heard it might not be quite as

565
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: bad as it's it's being portrayed in the media. I

566
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: sure hope not, because I mean, he's he's a really

567
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: talented and I've actually heard he's a good guy. I

568
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: don't know him personally, but um, you know that that's

569
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: early on, when the lottery first got set, I questioned

570
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: if Edwards was the guy, because I do. I do

571
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: value Beasley quite a bit in there. There's somewhat similar

572
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: obviously with him, you know, getting in trouble, you know,

573
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: probably makes it a little bit easier to justify taking

574
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: a guy at his position. He's going to be a

575
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: restricted free agent. But uh, you know, Minnesota in a

576
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: tough spot. It's not it's not just an easy decision

577
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: like it is in most years. And remember, this is

578
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: a team that loves uh you know, D'Angelo Russell, who

579
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: needs shots in karl Antony towns who need shots. And

580
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: now you're bringing in a guy who really thrives on scoring.

581
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: That's like his thing. I don't I don't think it's

582
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: a great fit. But I'm with you. I don't think

583
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: there is a great one. Now let's get to the

584
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: guy you mentioned, Wiseman. Um, I'm just not a huge fan.

585
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, Michael Jordan's history of big

586
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: guys not very good, dating back to Kwamie Brown. But uh,

587
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, where are you on James Wiseman. You know,

588
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: I really like him and I think, you know, and

589
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: I've watched him since high school and I saw him

590
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: in his pro day. You know, obviously his sample size

591
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: in college was as small as it gets. I mean

592
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: it's three games, right, But this kid is you know,

593
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: his his physical profile is so impressive and he's seven

594
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: foot one, seven ft six wingspan. I think he's gonna

595
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: fill out to be a really you know, impressive, strong,

596
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, big guy. But he could really move. He's fluid,

597
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: he's athletic. Uh, sort of in the David Robinson mold

598
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: from that stamp and uh, you know, and everybody talks

599
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: about here the big man is dead, and you know,

600
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: with him, it's kind of one of these things where, okay,

601
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: the big man is not dead. The game has changed,

602
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: so you need to kind of evaluate them differently. And um,

603
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about high pick and roll. You know,

604
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: can the guy you know get out there and move

605
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: his feed and recover and not be limited to you know,

606
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: play a drop defense where uh you know, where where

607
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: it really bigs your team, you know, vulnerable. Uh, James

608
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Wiseman cover a lot of ground and move his feed

609
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: and uh he's first of all, so I I do

610
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: really like him, and you know, doing my homework on him,

611
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: he seems like a great kid, really bright. I mean

612
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: it's a four point of student. He speaks fluent Mandarin.

613
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Uh so, I mean obviously those aren't necessary prerequisites to

614
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: be a good basketball player, but being a big guy

615
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: thinking it, with his talent, I think he could step

616
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: in and you can kind of pick up some more

617
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: of the sophisticated, you know, schemes of the NBA. And

618
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: I really like him. I mean, is he a sure

619
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: fire fire star? No, But I mean I think he's

620
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: got a chance, and I think at the very least,

621
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a you know, good starting center. Interesting,

622
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: So where are you on center's overall? Uh? You know,

623
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: I I had texted you that in the Eastern and

624
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: Western Conference finals it was Yokich, Anthony Davis and Bam

625
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: kind of our center's back. Or was this just a

626
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: weird year because the league had kind of pivoted to

627
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: the wing and we know guards dominate. Um, we're in

628
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: the three point era? Why is there not really a

629
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: three point shooter? Could he be in three years? I

630
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um do you think there's really, uh,

631
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, a clamoring four Wiseman that high in the

632
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: draft for anyone outside of Charlotte. Yeah, I think I

633
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: think it's uh, I mean to me and talking with people, uh,

634
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: it seems like Anthony Edwards and Wiseman are the clear cut,

635
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, two top guys. I mean, I think Lamel

636
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: has got a chance of being there too with Golden State,

637
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, but I think top to bottom with

638
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: the league, I think most people would say Edwards and

639
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: Wiseman are probably the most likely top top picks. Um,

640
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, and as far as the big man goes,

641
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you go down the roster. I mean

642
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: there's big guys just about every team. Obviously Houston played

643
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: played this extreme small ball, but you know that's not

644
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: the whole league. I mean we look at some of

645
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: these star players like Gobert and m Beat and Yokich,

646
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: and I mean Milwaukee played Brook Lopez. He's not a star,

647
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: but I mean a big guy. The Lakers just won

648
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: the championship with a with a huge lineup, and so

649
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: you know the game has changed. It's much more spread out.

650
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't think all five guys need to be able

651
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: to shoot threes. I think you you can afford to

652
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: have one guy that can flow and be more of

653
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: a rim runner. Wiseman is more skilled than people realize.

654
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: I do think he's got the ability, uh to be

655
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: able to stretch it a little bit in long term.

656
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Could could n't have been a guy that could stretch

657
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: it well. Um, you know, Congo is another guy that's

658
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's under size five. But similar to what

659
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: I was saying about Wiseman, he's a great athlete, kind

660
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: of like a band at a bio from a physical

661
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: standpoint of he's a big physical force, but he could

662
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: really move his feed and um, you know makes you know,

663
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: makes it that, you know, a guy that could utilize

664
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: old school big man traits but not not be vulnerable

665
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: in today's game. I think, uh, you know, in addition

666
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: to that, you know what what is uh you know

667
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: sort of a dying breed is a big bodied, slow

668
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: you know big uh yeah yeah. So I mean, you know,

669
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: guys like that just don't fit the game as well.

670
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean think of like a like a Greg Oster

671
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: tag right who started them for a while. Like, I

672
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: don't know if a guy like that would fit fit

673
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: as well. As he did back in the nineties. But

674
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: a Wiseman, a cong Woo, those guys fit. Yeah, alright,

675
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: so I believe it was three or four years ago

676
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: that Draymond Green was all the rage. We need to

677
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: have a Draymond a guy who can play the four five,

678
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: makes some threes, defend multiple positions like you mentioned on

679
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: the pick and roll. And then kind of Fred van

680
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: vleet We need to find a van vleet um after

681
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: his running the finals. And I think this year, when

682
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: I start talking to people, they're like, man, hey, Duncan Robinson.

683
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, this guy came out of absolutely nowhere, had

684
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: had a couple of really nice games in the finals.

685
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: And Tyler Hero. I mean, if you redraft, how does

686
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: Tyler Hero follow the top three? Is there a guy

687
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: in this draft that kind of reminds you of a

688
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: Duncan Robinson, a Tyler Hero, somebody who could pop in

689
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: the next year or two. Well, I mean, I think

690
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: I look at those guys like what's really made at work?

691
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: I think they got into the good programs that believe

692
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: in them and gave them good opportunities, developed him properly.

693
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Uh you know, But the biggest thing is that those

694
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: guys can really shoot the ball and the game's really

695
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: gone gone to you know, stretching it, and that the

696
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: three has never been more valuable. Uh. And so I

697
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: mean that the you know, the one guy that really

698
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: stands out in this draft that could fit that mold

699
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: is Aaron E. Smith for Vanderbilt. He's just an exceptional shooter.

700
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you average twenty three points a game,

701
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: shot fifteent three. That he did get hurt, so I

702
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: think he only played you know, fifteen sixteen games or

703
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: something like that. But I mean he's a guy that

704
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: you could step in and probably make a splash a shooter.

705
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: Sidiqu Bay from Villanova is another guy like that. And

706
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: then uh Desmond Bane who is an older player from

707
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: TCU terrific shooter. Uh So, I mean, you know, shooting

708
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: is coming out of premium and you know, guys like

709
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: that could thrive. Let me ask you about the older players.

710
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Grant Riller is a little older, but we've seen these

711
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: mature kids ready to come in and contribute late first round,

712
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: second round two contenders because there's not that steep learning

713
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: curve you have like with a twenty year old. Do

714
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: you almost think they're undervalue. Now a guy like cash

715
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: is Winston or Peyton Pritchard. Yeah, I mean I think

716
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: you know more evaluating guys. The way I look at

717
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: it is, Okay, the younger the guy is, if you're

718
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: looking at upside, you know, the more risk there is

719
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: because you're not You're you're so far from being a

720
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: finished product. You're not sure if the guy's gonna get

721
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: there or not. It's sometimes it is worth worth taking

722
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: the swing. Whereas if you've got a guy that's a

723
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: little bit older, naturally he's closer to being, you know,

724
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: more of a finished product. So maybe you're sacrificing some

725
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: of the upside, but you know what you're getting that.

726
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: The one guy that comes to mind actually fits fits

727
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: the category asked about with Fred Van Vleet, Malachai Flynn

728
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: from San Diego State. He's uh had somewhat of an

729
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: orn orthodox path to to come to this point where

730
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: I think he's probably gonna be a first round pick.

731
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: Initially went to Washington State, which uh he was under recruited.

732
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: Washington State ended up coming and coming to get him

733
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: let last minute. I think he had like low d

734
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: ones before that, and transferred after two years, sat out

735
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: a year at San Diego State, and then this year

736
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: he came out. He came out slinging and they they

737
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: lost two games the entire year, and it was, you know,

738
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: a big reason. What was him? And I think he's

739
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna step in. I think ultimate he's

740
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a starter in the NBA. I've gotten to

741
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: know him a little bit of visiting in Vegas a

742
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, and just an impressive kid, really tough.

743
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean he's on the smaller site, similar to Vanavleet.

744
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: He's only six one, but he got defensive player year

745
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: in the Mountain West. I mean, this kid's tough as nails.

746
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: And then one thing that's really interesting about him is

747
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: he he's a student of the games. Jim rat Uh

748
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: and he told me, you know, he spent and his

749
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: assistant coach told me this as well. He spent a

750
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: lot of time watching film, watch the film of all

751
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: of his games, but it also watches film every single

752
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: one of his practices. And I just thought that was

753
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: very very impressive, you know, for a kid that's years

754
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: old or however old he is. And um, I think

755
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: he's ready to step in and be a pros pro

756
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: and and do well. I had him going twenty three

757
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: to Utah. Um in my draft, in my mock draft,

758
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: is that is that too low? Do I need to

759
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: rate bump him up a little bit? Is he late

760
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: lottery guy? Um? You know, I I fear that he's

761
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy you know, in a few years

762
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: we're I look back that he should have been. I

763
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: think teams are afraid to put him there. I you know,

764
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: I haven't at twenty, which is you know, I think

765
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: twenty you know, the twenties. I mean Utah is definitely

766
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: an option. Yeah, that that that would that would be

767
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: a real possibility in my mind. But I've gotten going

768
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: to twenty to Miami at this point. Uh, I'm just

769
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: curious where are you on R. J. Hampton? He played

770
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: for the New Zealand Breakers and I, um, I'm like

771
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: a minority owner of that team. So I got to

772
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: see a lot of him and watched a lot of him,

773
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: and I'm just curious what your thoughts are on because

774
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: this guy went into uh leaving high school, he was

775
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: projected as like a lottery top ten guy. Um, where

776
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: do you have him currently? Well? First, all I should

777
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: be asking hears or some intel. Right, I'm just kidding,

778
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: But you know, I've watched r J Bunch. You know,

779
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: the team came out, he came in the United States

780
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: and played some preseason games against NBA team. So I

781
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: saw him twice during that time. And um, I mean,

782
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: just a super high upside kid. And uh and sort

783
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: of what I mentioned before. You know, he's young, he's

784
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: got upside, he's got the tools. I mean, he needs

785
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: to get stronger, needs to you know, you know, prove

786
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: that he could hit shots at at a good right.

787
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: But he's got all the tools you gotta put together,

788
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think there's a certain, you know,

789
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: a significant amount of risk with him, but if it

790
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: clicks him, he could end up being one of the

791
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: better players in the draft. And so I all, right,

792
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: now I've got him. I think he's going to be

793
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: like a late lottery mid first type type guy. Yeah

794
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. I had him a little lower

795
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: than that, but no big deal. Finally, Cole Anthony, I

796
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: love this kid coming out of high school. You know,

797
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: you just watch him, you see the highlights and you're like, man,

798
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 1: this guy can play. And then he goes to North

799
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: Carolina and he didn't pop the way some of these

800
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: other point guards did. I'm just curious. Somebody had mentioned

801
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: to me that he was an older player in high school.

802
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: I think he was nineteen almost. He was like one

803
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: of the oldest kids, and the maturity helped him dominate.

804
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: And then he gets to college and he didn't have

805
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: that edge anymore. Where are you and Cole Anthony? You know,

806
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: the first thing is, uh, I'm really looking forward to

807
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: get through this draft. In A big part of that

808
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: mean I can stop talking about Cold. I could ask you.

809
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: He's so polarizing. You know, he came out of high

810
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: school and he's so you know, he's so talented, and

811
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: he's a he's a very aggressive, assertive score. I mean,

812
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: he's like the ultimate alpha dog. He goes to the the

813
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: Carolina Granny. He did get hurt pretty early on their

814
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: team struggled. Uh, didn't have as much talent as um

815
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: he usually does. Uh. You know, I think the biggest

816
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: thing with him those that the intels has really hurt him,

817
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean talking to people that have

818
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: kind of crossed pass with him for the last five

819
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: years or whatever, and um, you know, there's a lot

820
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: of stuff coming about and being selfish, Um, you know,

821
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: not a great team guy, stuff like that, and just

822
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: you know that there's a lot of people that I've

823
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: talked to throughout the league just and I said, hey,

824
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: he's not our kind of guy. I don't think we

825
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: would take him. And it's not talking about draft range

826
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's uh, he's just you know, not not

827
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: their style. Yeah, I do want I mean, you know,

828
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: his dad Greg Anthony right, and um, kind of grew

829
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: up pretty you know, he lived a good life right

830
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: in New York City for a lot of that and

831
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: I wonder if that had a major impact. I have

832
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: him at Orlando at fifteen, but based on what you're saying,

833
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't think you don't think he's going that high? Huh,

834
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: you know he could. I mean what's funny about the draft,

835
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: you know, is it takes one team to kind of

836
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: solidify the guy's market value, right and so and you know,

837
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: I worked as an agent for ten years before I

838
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: started doing this, and you know, I dealt with that

839
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: and sometimes it was it was a good thing for me.

840
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: Other times it was a bad thing, you know, because

841
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: it's just you know, guys ranges can be a lot

842
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: wider than it seems at times. And uh yeah, it

843
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me if Cole you know, went went late lottery,

844
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: mid first. But it wouldn't surprise me if if he

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Speaker 1: was the guy that slipped the second round. Everybody's shocked

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Speaker 1: draft and I could see it going either way. Um,

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Speaker 1: and then he becomes a steel all right, I'll get

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Speaker 1: you out of here on this one, matt Um. Lakers.

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Speaker 1: We have a large audience of the podcast in l A.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they're clamoring for Lakers news. I'll preface this by saying,

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Speaker 1: we know Lebron doesn't like rookies, but any thoughts on

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Speaker 1: what the Lakers could do at twenty eight assuming they

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Speaker 1: keep the pick, you know, when it's getting the light first.

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it is just to figure

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Speaker 1: out who's there because it's it's hard. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: predict exactly. Uh, you know, and I think you have

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Speaker 1: to nail on the head. I do expect them to

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Speaker 1: draft somebody that can contribute in with l A. I

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Speaker 1: mean with Lebron, he's so versatile. I essentially could play

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Speaker 1: every position on the floor. Uh, gives you know, give

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Speaker 1: us the team a lot of flexibility. Who they put

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Speaker 1: around him. Obviously, outside shooting I think is important. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And for a team that's trying to be so competitive,

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Speaker 1: you need a guy that could defend. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: the guy can't defend, he's probably gonna be on the

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Speaker 1: floor for very long. And so, UM, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't have specific names for you, but uh, you know

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Speaker 1: I would expect somebody that then they think could crack

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Speaker 1: their rotation and give him some depth. I think they

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Speaker 1: got Kuzma, what seven, somewhere in that range twenty nine. Um,

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Speaker 1: but again, that was a different team that wasn't a

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Speaker 1: team coming off a championship, you know, so it almost

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Speaker 1: feels like it's a tough spot for them, um to

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Speaker 1: keep the pick because you know, Lebron's gonna want to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: well I should I should stop saying Lebron because they

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Speaker 1: do have a GM. But uh, the package the pick

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Speaker 1: they package to pick with I don't know Kuzma, uh,

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Speaker 1: Danny Green. Uh, maybe they get something. But all right, Matt, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll get you any other final thoughts you have on

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Speaker 1: the draft, and um, you know, without looking too far

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Speaker 1: ahead to I don't even know if you looked at

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Speaker 1: the players in depth, yet there. Oh yeah, no I have.

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Speaker 1: I mean, actually I just I just got back from

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Speaker 1: Phoenix on to Pangos all American term for all guys

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Speaker 1: that will be two draft picks. Um. Yeah. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: we get ahead of things and next year's draft there's

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Speaker 1: a lot to be excited about. There's a good handfully

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Speaker 1: on five to ten guys that could end up being

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Speaker 1: stars and the following year. I mean I just watched

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Speaker 1: uh Chent Homegron from Minneapolis, Uh, Jabari Smith from Georgia. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Paulo Panjarod was going to Duke. I mean, these kids

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Speaker 1: are two years away. We've got we're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: couple full of years here. Yeah. Did you did you

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Speaker 1: happen to see k Johnny right, big kid? Uh No,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe he was there? Okay, yeah he he

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Speaker 1: worked out of my gym, and you know, I know

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Speaker 1: his trainers. So this guy is a monster. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know, you know, he's like six eight beast. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure seen him. Was he there? I saw I've seen

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Speaker 1: him at USA Basketball before. Yeah. I can go to

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Speaker 1: a lot of those events that I live in Denver

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Speaker 1: and they're in Carlo Springs. It Uh, you know, what's

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Speaker 1: great about the events, Uh, with the USA basketballs. They

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Speaker 1: bring in a ton of them, and so it's a

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Speaker 1: great opportunity for me to get ahead of kind of

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Speaker 1: like put the face with the name. It's not as

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Speaker 1: like comprehensive you know, evaluations as it is like for

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Speaker 1: the guys in their draft here. But I know I've

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Speaker 1: seen him. I would have to go back to my

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Speaker 1: notes kind of refresh my memory a little bit though. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: all right, hey Matt a great stuff and check out

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Speaker 1: his website, Babcock Hoops. I'm sure you'll have another mock

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Speaker 1: draft right before the draft as well. And Matt, thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot. Hey, he congrats on your success. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be releasing a new mark draft on Monday

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Speaker 1: and then also I'm doing some draft covers for CBS Sports,

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Speaker 1: HQ and Basketball News dot Com, which is a new

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Speaker 1: release site, so check check out our stuff. Nice. Alright, Matt,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot, man, and keep up the good world. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks at take care