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Speaker 1: We alluded to it in the last segment that we've

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Speaker 1: got parents. I think it's safe to sale parents in

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Speaker 1: this case. It's not necessarily schools, but it's the Huntington

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Speaker 1: okay and what is not okay to put on the shelves.

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Speaker 1: Corbyn Carson has been following this story and Corbyn, what

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Speaker 1: was the impetus behind the very contentious city council meeting

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Speaker 1: the last night and then how was that resolved?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this thing went on to one o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 3: and christ I gotta tell you this is the kind

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Speaker 3: of story I can really get into as a journalist

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Speaker 3: because there are legitimate arguments on.

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Speaker 4: Both sides of this debate.

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Speaker 3: And also have to warn parents or anyone with youngsters

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Speaker 3: in the car that the following material might be too

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Speaker 4: Okay, So the Huntington's for each city council, they.

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Speaker 3: Supported ways for fine making it harder for children to

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Speaker 3: access sexually explicit books at city libraries.

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Speaker 4: But there were hours of this Brujaja first and about.

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Speaker 3: One hundred speakers, hundreds of emails, both foreign against the proposal.

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Speaker 3: Coul Councilwoman Gracie Vandermark. Her proposal passed four to three.

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Speaker 3: It was about a asking the city attorney and city

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Speaker 3: manager to return with various options in September for ways to.

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Speaker 4: Restrict access to these books.

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Speaker 3: And then let's start with Vandermark, who says the city

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Speaker 3: needs to set up the system restricting restricting access to

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Speaker 3: kids of these quote unobscene books approved by city leaders,

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Speaker 3: claiming she discovered multiple pornographic children books that are in

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Speaker 3: the Huntington Beach City Library.

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Speaker 4: Here she is explaining some that are found in the

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Speaker 5: The girl often rubs her clitterus, a boy rubs his penis.

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Speaker 5: A person may have a warm, good tingly exciting feeling

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Speaker 5: all through his or her body while masturbating. It also

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Speaker 5: teaches you a blood play how to play with blood

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Speaker 5: BDSM sado masochism. There's the section here for edgeplay. Edge

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Speaker 5: Play is generally referred to as sexual activity that crosses

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Speaker 5: the line of what a physically or emotionally safe saying

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Speaker 5: or consensual. Some examples are breath restriction, or blood plate,

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Speaker 5: engaging in plant abduction or forms of humiliation, and exploring

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Speaker 5: fantasies that may trigger fears or particularly strong adverse reactions

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Speaker 5: like incests.

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Speaker 1: So that's a lot.

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Speaker 3: And while she's playing this, she has a slide show

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Speaker 3: showing these a lot of these images that again are

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Speaker 3: different action, right, and then so she goes on to

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Speaker 3: say that this is not a book band is. It

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Speaker 3: is trying to find a reasonable approached keeping these books

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Speaker 3: away from kids.

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Speaker 5: We are open to any ideas that staff, our city attorney,

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Speaker 5: or the community comes up with. Because I'll tell you

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Speaker 5: that book that gender career before they moved it out.

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Speaker 5: I only learned about that book as a ten year

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Speaker 5: old handed it to me. By the time these books

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Speaker 5: get to the complaints, by then a child has already

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Speaker 5: seen the book, so we're trying to protect it. I

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Speaker 5: just don't understand why anybody has a problem with warning

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Speaker 5: parents that some of this material is in these books,

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Speaker 5: not banning them, not removing them, but letting the parents

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Speaker 5: know so they can make an informed decision.

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Speaker 3: So that was the four argument. There were some speakers

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Speaker 3: that also spoke for this, for this potential book ban,

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Speaker 3: but it went on for hours. Man a lot here.

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Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, so Corbyn, we got examples of some of

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Speaker 1: what was explicit. Are these books on the bottom shelf

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Speaker 1: where kindergarteners are picking them up? Or are these books

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Speaker 1: that are in like the young adult section.

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Speaker 3: They're in a pre like a six through twelfth grade

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Speaker 4: That's what vander Mark said.

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Speaker 3: But as you can imagine, there was a lot of

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Speaker 4: Here are some speakers against this idea.

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Speaker 6: Let the career experts do their job that they were

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Speaker 6: hired to do, and most especially keep your milli unintelligent,

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Speaker 6: lack of knowledge, power grabbing, pandering show body pauls off

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Speaker 6: our library. Two of your so called porno books we

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Speaker 6: have used in our house to teach our grandsons sex

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Speaker 4: Going to YouTube.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I got kids, So I get

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Speaker 3: what vander Mark is saying. And then of course you

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Speaker 3: see the other side of it of where are they

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so, I think part of the question is that

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Speaker 1: things like BDSM and then we're going to go to

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Speaker 1: the internet and we're going to type that in, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that kind of the worry that it's

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Speaker 1: it's a gateway a book isn't a concern?

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Speaker 3: There was a Yeah, there was a lot about the

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Speaker 3: concerns about there. One would be there was some insinuations

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Speaker 3: there were several lgbt Q books that were referenced, and

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Speaker 3: that this was a a an attempt to take that

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Speaker 3: material away from suggesting such such behavior to kids. And

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Speaker 3: here's another person explaining kind of the librarians version. She

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Speaker 3: was talking about, Hey, you know, it's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Benjamin Franklin was appointed the nation's first librarian. She says,

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Speaker 3: because if a city attorney from England had been chosen

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Speaker 3: to run the country or to be the country's library,

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Speaker 3: and there might the country might be different to this day.

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Speaker 7: Proposed changes suggest that we have individuals as parents, as

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Speaker 7: a coming unity, are not smart enough or strong enough

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Speaker 7: to walk into a library and make decisions for ourselves

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Speaker 7: or talk to our children about making decisions about how

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Speaker 7: to encounter a wide array of books and make choices

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Speaker 7: and judgments that are right for us. It TOM eighteen

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Speaker 7: proposes that the city attorney should make decisions about what

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Speaker 7: books belong in the library, and that our city should

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Speaker 7: break from the American Library Association or ALA. I hold

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Speaker 7: a master's in library and information science, So what I

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Speaker 7: understand is that these proposals are the equivalent of hiring

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Speaker 7: a lawyer who hasn't passed the bar, or scheduling surgery

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Speaker 7: with a doctor who isn't licensed to practice.

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Speaker 4: It will lower our city standards.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, then you know, it just goes on and on.

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Speaker 3: I mean, some people were saying that this was like

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Speaker 3: a claim. They brought up Nazi Germany censorship, Fahrenheart, Fahrenheit

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Speaker 3: four fifty one, if fiascoes. They're saying this, you know,

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Speaker 3: politicians should focus on city budgets and let these librarians

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Speaker 3: choose and pay parents kind of differentiate what should be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'm just a little bit still confused

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Speaker 1: about why this is all of a sudden an issue.

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Speaker 1: The books that they're referencing or medical books discussing sex

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Speaker 1: education are not new, So why is this taking Why

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Speaker 1: is this making headlines?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: Why did somebody bring this up? Now? Was there something

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Speaker 1: this is Was there a particular book that dropped that

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Speaker 1: they said, whoa, whoa, hang on here and we need

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Speaker 1: to reevaluate. Or is this part of this current wave

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Speaker 1: of we don't like anything that has to do with

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Speaker 3: Your answer is hidden in that beautiful word, or you

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Speaker 3: used Chris because I believe that or should be and

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Speaker 3: it was both of those.

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Speaker 4: Things at once.

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Speaker 3: They are arguing for yeah, they're arguing that some of

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Speaker 4: They're also this is also part of that wave.

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Speaker 1: You know, you had the flags.

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Speaker 4: The LGBTQ flags in the building.

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Speaker 3: You had people pointing out the signs that they were

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Speaker 3: holding up signs saying drawings that are in these books

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Speaker 3: such sex or other sexual topics. Here's another person that's

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Speaker 3: for the ban.

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Speaker 8: The issue here is not banning books, as many have claimed,

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Speaker 8: but what is age appropriate? This book called Read with

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Speaker 8: Pride for the lgbt Q, I a notice there's no

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Speaker 8: parents in this book. This seems more like promoting a

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Speaker 8: lifestyle rather than simply providing information. Why are we even

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Speaker 8: recommending books about sexuality young children? It doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 8: This is a public library, not a private library. Our

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Speaker 8: tax dollars are funding us. It's time that as a

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Speaker 8: community we unite and we think this entime your process.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, you're tight.

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Speaker 3: You heard people saying we're not burning books. We're saying

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Speaker 3: this should not be available to minors.

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Speaker 1: I know that falls back on the whole just promoting

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Speaker 1: a lifestyle. Okay, Well a book with a hetero couple

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Speaker 1: in it is promoting a lifestyle. Then, And there was

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Speaker 1: a great example, I think it somebody in Missouri was

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Speaker 1: using it and they said, if you know that George

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Speaker 1: And they're like, well no, right, okay, So if if

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Speaker 1: you know that eleanor Roosevelt had a girlfriend. Are you

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Speaker 3: This is why I enjoy such stories like this because

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Speaker 3: of the there are points right right on both sides.

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Speaker 1: On both sides, people are making points. Yeah, hey, great

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Speaker 1: work on that, Cortman. I appreciate it, such efforts on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good job. Listen. I don't disparage anybody that's trying to

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Speaker 1: learning environment. But let's start from things that we can

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Speaker 1: agree on. I think we can agree that parents are

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Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. Maybe we need to

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Speaker 1: hire an expert to look into that. Who in the

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Speaker 1: Of a library beyond me. It's weird. I have no

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Speaker 1: Right, create some sort of a pattern in that way,

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Speaker 1: But there wasn't. I mean, if if it were me,

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Speaker 10: I'm telling you. I think that they they've kind of

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Speaker 10: I think I heard something about every thirty minutes, if right,

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Speaker 1: Right, But then it would also be very specific. Three taps,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know, but I do know this.

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Speaker 10: Can you imagine what that CEO is saying or what

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Speaker 1: Uh, sorry, I'll give you a refund.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting you mentioned that CEO because he's

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Speaker 1: And just like shark attacks, the answer is yes, don't

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Speaker 1: As we talk about this Titaned submersible. The titan submersible

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Speaker 1: It has been missing since Sunday, and according to one

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Speaker 1: News that his submersible lost contact with its host ship

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Speaker 1: He said, no GPS, and the crew took three hours

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Speaker 1: On the first page. He said, it's always in the

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Speaker 1: they don't believe it. They're billionaires. Could happen to me? Wow,

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Speaker 1: They are billions of dollars. Certainly, no one's gonna take

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Speaker 1: there'd be hell to pay. No, because you're not immortal,

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Speaker 1: sometimes people who are uber wealthy forget that difference. Wealth

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Speaker 1: Maybe not on a dive to the Titanic, but there

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Speaker 1: will be people trying to get money from the billionaires.

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Speaker 1: And it may be a billionaire trying to get money

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Speaker 1: We already know that this happens. We have space tourism

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Speaker 1: to the Titanic. An employee complains specifically that the sub

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Speaker 1: the science says first. And they said no, and he said,

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Speaker 1: well then I can't. I can't tell you it's okay,

438
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Speaker 1: and they said okay, well you're fired. So then they

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Speaker 1: sued him for disclosing confidential information about the Titan. This

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Speaker 1: is the submersible, the sub so Lockridge then fired a

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Speaker 1: filed a counterclaim claiming wrongful termination because he was a whistleblower. Basically,

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Speaker 1: what he said is they didn't have any way of

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Speaker 1: testing the hull, the structure of this submersible, and so

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Speaker 1: because there was no way to test it, because the

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Speaker 1: technology to test it without actually sending it down didn't exist,

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Speaker 1: he couldn't sign off on that. He couldn't say yes,

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Speaker 1: I certify this to go to four thousand meters when

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Speaker 1: he only knew it to be capable to go to

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred meters. So they said, well that's not good

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Speaker 1: enough for us, that's not cool. Man, you're fired. He said, no,

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Speaker 1: you're in trouble, So what ends up happening they settle it.

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Speaker 1: We still don't know if it was certified. We don't

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Speaker 1: know if it had qualified. We just don't know. So

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Speaker 1: could this have been avoided? The truth is, we don't

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Speaker 1: know what happened, so we don't know if it could

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Speaker 1: have been avoided. But here's what I do know. There

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Speaker 1: certainly wasn't a contingency plan in place. What they had

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Speaker 1: for contingency plan is if something goes wrong, dump your

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Speaker 1: weight and you'll float to the surface. That was it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what the deal is on. This

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Speaker 1: is that it's got weights that drag the vessel down

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Speaker 1: and if there's a problem, they can manually dump the

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Speaker 1: weights from inside and the vessel is supposed to pop

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Speaker 1: back up to the surface. Now, once that vessel gets

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Speaker 1: to the surface, they can't open the hatch from inside.

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Speaker 1: That seems like a design flaw to me, But I'm

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Speaker 1: not there. I don't know for sure. We do know

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Speaker 1: that if that's if that vessel somehow surfaces and all

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Speaker 1: of our searchings. Let's say that everyone on that vessel

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Speaker 1: is unconscious from a lack of oxygen, but still alive,

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Speaker 1: and the vessel somehow pops up and we don't even

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Speaker 1: see it until it hits the surface of the water.

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Speaker 1: We can't We have to get somebody there to let

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Speaker 1: them out. Even if they have a just a blip

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Speaker 1: of consciousness, they couldn't just simply open the hatch. It

476
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Speaker 1: seems again like a design flaw. Maybe it's not, but

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Speaker 1: I do know that we're it was design flaws that

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Speaker 1: doomed one Apollo mission. I know that it was because

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Speaker 1: people couldn't open the hatch from the inside that men

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Speaker 1: perish in the Apollo disaster on the pad. Seems again

481
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Speaker 1: like a design flaw. I think we're going to see

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Speaker 1: some politicians that are going to grandstand on this. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to make hay while the sun, while the

484
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Speaker 1: sun still shines as they say, there is something else

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Speaker 1: that caught my attention. It's maybe the I don't know,

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Speaker 1: the dark underbelly of wealthy humanity. Here it's the sun

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Speaker 1: of this British explorer. You would think I should say,

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Speaker 1: step son. I don't know. Maybe they don't have that

489
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Speaker 1: great bond, maybe he didn't celebrate Father's Day, but you

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Speaker 1: would think if your billionaire explorer stepfather is stuck on

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Speaker 1: a submersible and he is potentially fighting for his life,

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Speaker 1: you would be worried. You would probably want to travel

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Speaker 1: to the base of operations. You would want to be

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Speaker 1: in communication with the rescue cruise as much as you could.

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Speaker 1: At the very least, you would be sitting by the phone. Right. No,

496
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Speaker 1: not the case. No. In fact, Shas is his name, Szasz.

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Speaker 1: Brian Schahz is the step son of the British billionaire

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Speaker 1: Imus Harding, who is on the Exploration submersible. And what

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Speaker 1: did he do on Monday night? He did what any

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Speaker 1: true American would do. He went to a Blink one

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Speaker 1: eighty two concert in San Diego. Oh yeah, my father

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Speaker 1: is fighting for his life. I just thought I had

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Speaker 1: taken this concert, he says, Well, listen, it might be

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Speaker 1: distasteful being here, but my family would want me to

505
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Speaker 1: be at the blood the Blink one to eighty two

506
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Speaker 1: show is It's my favorite band and music helps me

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Speaker 1: in difficult times. Hey, if any of my kids are listening,

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Speaker 1: if ever I go missing, I do not want you

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Speaker 1: to go to the concert. I don't I actually want

510
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Speaker 1: you to miss your favorite band. Yeah, because I would

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Speaker 1: like to think I'm your favorite stepfather sensitive. All right,

512
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Speaker 1: I'm just bitter. You know what. Here's the thing. I

513
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Speaker 1: might not be there tomorrow, but the band will be.

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Speaker 1: And as a billionaire, you're probably gonna inherit a little

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Speaker 1: bit of cash, which means you can just travel to

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Speaker 1: the next show.

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Speaker 10: You may want to put that in your will. If

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Speaker 10: you don't show up, it's something you get nothing.

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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, I'm kind of wondering if this is the

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Speaker 1: step sounds like, oh, Stepdaddy's dying. Well, I guess it's

521
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Speaker 1: five hundred mil my way. I know it's cynical and

522
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: maybe that's not the case, but I got no evidence

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Speaker 1: to show otherwise. All Right, you may have a new

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Speaker 1: passenger in your car, whether you like it or not.

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Speaker 1: It's next Chris Merrill in for JOHNA. Ken k if

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Speaker 1: I AM six forty. We're live everywhere in your radio app.

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Speaker 9: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 9: AM six forty.

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Speaker 1: You're getting ready to wind down your hump day. Your

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Speaker 1: commute may start getting more engaging and dangerous. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: the scariest two letters in America of twenty twenty three. AI,

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Speaker 1: surey you got somebody to talk to, But Frankly, you'd

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Speaker 1: be safer to just listen to Tim Conway Junior and

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Speaker 1: I will be lifewire. Excuse me with the story why

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Speaker 1: AI chatbots in your car could be a distraction nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Mercedes Benz announcing plans to add chat GPT to its cars.

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Speaker 1: The software would make voice commands more fluid, could also

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Speaker 1: engage in conversation. However, some people say the concept could

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Speaker 1: lead to problems. Now listen, I'm all for making the

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Speaker 1: voice commands more fluid. I had one of the early iterations.

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Speaker 1: My wife had an nine. I called it her mom sades.

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Speaker 1: It had what they called the command system. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you remember those, the early navigation, the early computer systems

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Speaker 1: in the vehicles were clunky. You had to have the

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Speaker 1: exact terminology right. You had to say command fine, destination,

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Speaker 1: you know, riverside, whatever it had be the you know,

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Speaker 1: the city, the nay of the road, all that other.

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Speaker 1: It was really clunky. But we've gotten better with that. Right,

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Speaker 1: our series, our our, our Alexas or whatever else is

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Speaker 1: bings all these other things right where it's really simple

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Speaker 1: and you can say, hey, give me directions to the

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Speaker 1: closest pizza place, right, that's kind of an that's sort

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Speaker 1: of early AI, so being able to do that in

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Speaker 1: a vehicle right now is very appealing, they said. The

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Speaker 1: potential downside of having the technology in your vehicle would

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Speaker 1: be taking the driver's focus off the road to interact

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Speaker 1: with the AI system. Depending on the types of queries

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Speaker 1: that are being asked of the system, drivers may become

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Speaker 1: distracted and this could be dangerous, leading to a potential accident.

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Speaker 1: Of course it could be, of course it could. According

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Speaker 1: to Mercedes, soon, participants who ask the voice assistant for

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Speaker 1: details about their destination, to suggest a new dinner recipe,

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Speaker 1: or to answer a complex question will receive a more

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Speaker 1: comprehensive answer while keeping their hands on the wheel and

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Speaker 1: eyes on the road. Because when I'm driving, what I

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Speaker 1: need to know is what's a good dinner recipe? You

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Speaker 1: have two cups of buttermilk. I don't have any of that.

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Speaker 1: Now here's what freaks me out. I like the idea

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Speaker 1: that there's going to be a smarter interaction with the

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Speaker 1: electronics in our vehicle, but I don't like this. The

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Speaker 1: CEO of Modulus is an AI expert, Richard Gardiner, and

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Speaker 1: he said that the AI could learn your driving a habit,

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Speaker 1: including your preferred routes, which a lot of our phones

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Speaker 1: already do. Chat GPT could help you in relegating instructions

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Speaker 1: hands free, or set alarms or schedule appointments. That's great. However,

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Speaker 1: that would probably increase how much your brain is distracted

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Speaker 1: from driving. And here's what he says. In some cases

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Speaker 1: it may divert a driver's attention away from the road

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Speaker 1: because chat GPT continues to struggle with hallucinations and inaccuracy.

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Speaker 1: Tim Conway Junior is a much safer partner to have

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Speaker 1: on the way home. And Tim, I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but I'm a little worried about the AI having its

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Speaker 1: own hallucinations.

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Speaker 11: Okay, Well, first of all, Mark Thompson's here as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: I know, Chris, Yeah, but he's coming on a very

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Speaker 11: special Wednesday. Yeah, this AI is sensational. I you know,

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Speaker 11: the more I look at it, the more I listen

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Speaker 11: to it, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Like, Okay, it's not bad.

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Speaker 11: Look it'll put everybody out of work and destroy society.

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Speaker 11: But hey, I'm on AI side.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I think it's a great especially

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Speaker 1: when it's hallucinating, because who couldn't use more hallucinating. But Chris,

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Speaker 1: this is what I heard.

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Speaker 11: I heard from a guy who knows AI, knows Ai.

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Speaker 11: He said, don't go after AI on the radio. Oh really,

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Speaker 11: they can show AI can shut off your computer, your

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Speaker 11: your electricity, your gas, your water.

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Speaker 1: They can call cop Tim. Yeah, Tim, we are there. Yeah, Tim,

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Speaker 1: are you there? Yeah? Am I still on the air? Guys,

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Speaker 1: Oh he's gone. They got him.

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Speaker 4: They got him.

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Speaker 11: Anyway, Tonight we have a really cool hour at h

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Speaker 11: at six o'clock, we're talking to David Friendly and Kevin Pollock,

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Speaker 11: a very huge actor. It's called Blood on the Green

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Speaker 11: Felt and it's all about this one hand in a

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Speaker 11: in a poker game that.

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Speaker 1: Got out of control. So that's yeah, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: really cool.

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Speaker 11: But also Alex Stone, one of my favorite reporter, is

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Speaker 11: coming on with us from AYBEC talking about critics, Guy

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Speaker 11: Ever talking about the Coast Guard. And then we have

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Speaker 11: Colonel Terry Wurtz who's on everything, he's on ABC, NBC, CBS,

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Speaker 11: now he's gonna come on with us, who's on this

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Speaker 11: line as well. And then also Captain Dan ol all

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Speaker 11: of us as well, talking about the LA Fire and Rescue.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot on the plate. Wow, big show

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Speaker 1: and Mark and we're gonna chew.

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Speaker 11: We're gonna change the name of the show to On

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Speaker 11: on the Fence.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that right? Yeah, because you're not going to

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Speaker 1: take a position.

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Speaker 11: That's I'm not gonna take any positions on a good plan.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot safer. That's how you get ahead in life.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's either how you build audience or lose.

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Speaker 1: You start doing that.

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Speaker 11: You know, the men and women are different. Man, You're gone,

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Speaker 11: that's right, done.

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Speaker 1: Got it? You gotta all right?

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Speaker 4: Yea, everybody's the same.

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Speaker 1: You're Mark Thompson next you. I've been a pleasure bring

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Speaker 1: with you, guys, looking forward to the next time. Chis

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Speaker 1: Merrill for Johnny said, Hey, b k if I AM

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Speaker 2: AM six forty one pm to four pm every Monday

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