1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. So I actually 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: saw you at the night before Oscar party. Oh yeah, 3 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: And my manager goes, there's Gina you you're gonna You're 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: gonna have her on the podcast quote, and I'm so, 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: it's so funny being in this business for so long. 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, her time's valuable. I don't want to go. 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: I was too nervous. I said hi, crazy, Yeah, I know, 8 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 2: and everyone's always so happy. I know what you mean, though, 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: I feel the same way to him, like, oh, I 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: don't really know him. Should I say hi? I should 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: say and then of course you say hi, and they're like, 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: oh my god, I love you or you know. It's 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: like a real weird thing. 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: I know, Oh I wish to do I know, so 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: do I. I'm like kicking myself that I didn't, and 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: I thought about it half towards. No, it was just 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: that thing you do so many of these. You've had 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: such an outstanding long career. It's like, I don't know. 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: I was like, she says a load to everyone. She 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: must just want to have fun party. It was all 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: eyes on you, But you know what I mean. 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: I was so, I mean, I went out to LA 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: because I don't live there anymore, but I went there too. 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: I was doing a Barnes and Noble talk, you know, 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: with the book. I was doing press out there, and 26 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: I just happened to coincide with Oscar weekend, which I'm 27 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: usually like, Oh, if I'm not in one of the 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: movies or this, I'm like, why do I want to 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: be here? But I haven't been around for so long. 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I've been in writing mode and I'm like, oh, yeah, 31 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: I'm an actress. I forgot that's my day job. I 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 2: should And actually I just went to like three different 33 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: parties and it was it was actually really nice to 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: see people. I hadn't seen them in a long time. 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: It is I felt the same way. Could never compare 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: myself to you. 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: But I. 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: Have kids and I've been in and out. But I'm like, okay, 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: you know what, here's the thing. Sometimes you just got 40 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: to get yourself back out there. 41 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: And then once it seems like and once you're there, 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: it's kind of nice. Right. I had a nice time 43 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: at that party. 44 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: I had a great time. I had anxiety though going 45 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: to that party. I was in my uber black and 46 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: I was going and I was like, what's that feeling? 47 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: I've done these for years, Like why am I anxious? 48 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: And it's like you get there and you're like, oh, okay, 49 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: I slipped out of my heels. My heels didn't last long. 50 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: Oh I can't stand on heels anymore. 51 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: I have to wear platforms. I can't. But you know 52 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: what an anxiety thing? I had it too? Really, I think, yeah, 53 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: and I really think. I I mean, I've never been 54 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: a big party girl, Like I don't like big parties. 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: I like to I like it when it's smaller and 56 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: I even more, just a few people I kind of 57 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: get anxiety with. But I can always do it, you know. 58 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: But I think after COVID something changed, and like the 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: anxiety is real. It's like too many people, like lots 60 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: of energy. I don't know unless I just got older 61 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: or something changed, but something definitely shifted because I had 62 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: the same feeling. I'm just like, wow, there's a lot 63 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: of people here. But then let you start talking. Once 64 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: I connect to one person at a time that I'm talking. 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Exactly, It's interesting. COVID changed things, it really did. I 66 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: think it made us realize yeah, yeah, that was a lot. 67 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: So I have your book here. Ah, yay, I'll for 68 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: a pussy. Oh my gosh. So two things happened. I 69 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: have five kids. I have a nine year old. 70 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 71 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: One he said, this is so embarrassing. He said, mom, 72 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: are you reading a book? 73 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: That is. 74 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: And he then he pushed it further. I've never seen 75 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: you read before. 76 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: Do not read usually? 77 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: Thanks kid? I used to love reading. Reading was my jam. 78 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: And then I just when you're not in it, you stop, 79 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: and you just with life. Life is moving so fast. 80 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: Now have five kids from not I mean like, I 81 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: don't know when you have time to do anything. 82 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: I don't. 83 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: And then audio books when you're driving. 84 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: So here's the thing which is so amazing. Audio books, 85 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: and especially with someone like you, you want to hear you 86 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: tell your story and hear it as only you can 87 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: do it, you know. But I don't listen to things. 88 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm not I'd rather read it. It's like old school. 89 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: I think I like reading mine better than see Like 90 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: now I take yourself and I like, you're just a 91 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: big blur. Well, then listen to it or you don't 92 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: like to listen. 93 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: I don't eat it. 94 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: I like reading. And he's a good read. 95 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Oh thank you, So my nine year old not to 96 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: keep going back to him. He's reading now, reading and 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: he goes alpha pussy. What does that mean? Mom? And 98 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: I said, he goes well alpha, Oh, he goes Is 99 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: she strong? I was like, you can see that. He 100 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: goes so alpha. So she's like she's a tough cat, 101 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: she's a top cat. And I said, wow, okay, so 102 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't rent him out, you can borrow him. But 103 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: he's a good hike man. 104 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. 105 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: So wheet. I do live in the valley. 106 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: But you were were you raised in the valley? You're 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: raised on the other side of the head. 108 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: I was raised on the west side. I grew up 109 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: in bel Air. All my friends so went to school 110 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: in the valley though in high school. So I started 111 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: learning the valley life in my teens. And I got 112 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: to tell you, when I had kids, I moved to 113 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: the valley and I'll never go back. I love the valley. 114 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: I know you had a very different experience in the valley, but. 115 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: The valley is totally different now. It's kind of a 116 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: cool place now. When I was growing up, it was 117 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: not remember it was like Valley go Home like it 118 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: was kind of skanky. And when I went over to 119 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: Beverly High I was kind of like, oh wow, this 120 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: is a lot better. It was tough when I was 121 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: growing up. There's just so many drugs and it was 122 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: so it wasn't a great scene and I didn't really 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: have the people to inspire me, you know. So I 124 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 2: got in a lot of trouble. It was just it 125 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: was not a great scene. Thank god I moved over 126 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: the hill. But now it's totally different. 127 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: Valley's kind is totally different. It's super kid friendly and 128 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: teen friendly and a great a great place for them. 129 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: But everything evolves, everything changes. Even that's true, we allow it. 130 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: But you went to Beverly Hills High School. 131 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and wait and want to hear something funny. 132 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, my. 133 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: Uncle was Jack Elliott, who did the music for Charlie's Angels. 134 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: Oh and am I mistaken? Or did you do an 135 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: episode two of melrose Place? 136 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: I did one one? I did it? Yeah, I did 137 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: you know doun. I don't think. I mean, maybe I 138 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: met him through my uncle, but it was so long 139 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: ago and I was just like one episode, so I 140 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: don't really I don't think. I don't remember. I don't 141 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: remember anything, but I don't remember meeting him. But I 142 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: feel like, you know. 143 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Heys quick up, he would love you, I know, right. 144 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: But you know, my uncle did Charlie's Angels, so I 145 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: always watched that. So I mean, I certainly was aware 146 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: of your dad and all that. So maybe I met 147 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: him once with Michael. I don't member. 148 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: That's wild, Okay, I'm confused. So you lived in the 149 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: valley but went to Beverly. 150 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: I lived in the valley until I was fifteen, and 151 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: then at that point, because of all the trouble and 152 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: it was just fraught and I wasn't happy, my parents 153 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: moved me. They were like, you're either going to Buckley 154 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: Westlake or Beverly Hide. Oh my mom, you did well. 155 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: I went to I didn't want to. You know, my 156 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: aunt and uncle Jack and Bobby they lived over there, 157 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: and so I had my brother and sister were already 158 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: away at school because they were older, and so I 159 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: had my cousins there. And also I just thought, well, 160 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: sure I'll go to Beverly. I guess for a few 161 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: years I was really against it. But then when I 162 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: secretly got there, I'm like, oh, this school's rat this 163 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: is kind of a great school. So I just I 164 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: went to high school there's just for three years and 165 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 2: then I. 166 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: Left, You're the Gene nine O two one O girl. 167 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: I'm an og nine o two exactly. 168 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: It was your zipricate. Wow, that's so, that's nuts. And 169 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: but you don't live in LA now. 170 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: No, I haven't for a long time. As soon as 171 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: I graduated high school, I came back east. I went 172 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: to I was in Boston, and then I went to 173 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: n Yu. And as soon as I graduated and Yu, 174 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: I went back to LA because I had an agent 175 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 2: out there and I was, you know, I really wanted 176 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: to do film and stuff. And I ended up doing 177 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: a play. I played an Afghani girl, you know, the 178 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: Russian Invasion, and you know, I got such great reviews, 179 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, she's wonderful, but we need 180 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: an American girl. I'm like, dude, I'm from the valley. 181 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 2: Like I wasn't you know what I mean, I wasn't 182 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: blonde and blue and I had you know, I was 183 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: always playing you know, people from New York or Italian 184 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 2: or whatever. And so I wasn't having a great time 185 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: in LA because it was just hard. And then I 186 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: ended up moving. I got a job back instead of 187 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: kept doing a play, at the Long War Theater, and 188 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: once I came back, I know so many of my 189 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: friends were there and we started a theater company. I 190 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I'm staying. I'm staying in 191 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: New York. I was just happier there. 192 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, what haven't you done, like in the industry 193 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: as a kick ass female. I feel like you've done everything. 194 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to say bucket because it's like we're going 195 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: to kick the bucket like we're young. But what is 196 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: on your career list to do that you have not 197 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: or that people wouldn't know. I feel like you're a 198 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: gena of all trades. 199 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: Gene of all trades, master of none, although I do 200 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: master the juicelf. I think, you know, I think what 201 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: I'm into right now. I kind of got into the 202 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: writing way, you know, not just from the book, but 203 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 2: then for the first time in the last few years, 204 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: I started. I've sold scripts before, but I've never actually 205 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: written them. And now I've written too. I just finished 206 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: one and I've got to work on the other one. 207 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: But I kind of I'm really into writing, you know, 208 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: the script and then doing the part that I've written 209 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: as a film or maybe as a TV show. Just 210 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: because I like these parts better and people, you know, 211 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: they tend to see you and know as you get 212 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: older it's a weirder sort of thing. But I just 213 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: I want to play different sorts of parts than I have. 214 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: You just get pigeonholed into its ears, so amazing, you 215 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: could do anything. 216 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 2: But yeah, if I know, if people don't see that way, if. 217 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: You want to do something, create it yourself. 218 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, especially in today's world, right, because 219 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: it's so weird out there, you know, as far as 220 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: you know, the jobs and the roles, and it's hard 221 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: to get things made. 222 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: And you know, also I like painting. I think that 223 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: hasn't something. I started doing that in COVID and I 224 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: think I'm kind of good at it and I kind 225 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: of really like it. But that's like the next phase 226 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: I need to. I kind of miss acting after all 227 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: this writing. I kind of missed my day job, so 228 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: I'd like to go back to that. But at some 229 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 2: point I just want to stop everything and just be painting. 230 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: So that's something I haven't done yet, but I'm going to. 231 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: I like that. 232 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: What about the same, It's just different size of the 233 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: same prism I get. 234 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: Is your creative you're creative, you could do anything like 235 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: It's yeah, are we talking like a gallery opening? Are 236 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: we talking like Etsy? 237 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: Not Etsy? I I'm not crafty. 238 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: It would be more like you're not crafty. I used 239 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: to be crafty. 240 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: I used to be crafty in the valley. I was 241 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: super crafty. 242 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: Would you do Daca pash boxes? Remember those? Oh? 243 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: My god? You know what I did? And it was 244 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: It was really weird and I had no idea. It 245 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: must have been like a path life thing if you 246 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: believe in that I did. But for some reason I would. 247 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: I was able to look at certain trees and you 248 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: know those pod things with the seeds in them that 249 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: hang down. I don't I can't remember what they're called. 250 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: I do now, and I. 251 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 2: Would see them, and I don't know why. I just 252 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: innately knew. I'm like, oh, if I take those seeds 253 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: and put them in water, I could string them and 254 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: make necklaces out of them. 255 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: And I They're like the giant looking at a mommy. 256 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: Yes, with their little brown seeds. And I used to 257 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: put them in water, and then I used to thread 258 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 2: them and I used to wear them. I maybe sell 259 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: them on the side. And I was really making pukachhell necklaces. 260 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 2: But I didn't. I have no idea how I knew 261 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: to do that with the seeds. It was just something. 262 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: And then I was at some Indian like a like 263 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: an indigenous festival, and there was this Indian, beautiful American 264 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: Indian woman, and she was selling things, and she was 265 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: selling some of those necklaces. I'm like, those are the 266 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: necklaces I used to make when I was little. She 267 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: didn't really speak English, but I thought weird. I don't know, 268 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: so I was kind of and you know what else 269 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: I used to do something. Yes, I used to do 270 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: those shag carpets. I used to make shag carpets. 271 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god. You would hook a rug. 272 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: I would hook a rug. Oh God, that was fun. 273 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: More in love with you. You have this extensive body 274 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: of work. And I'm like, oh my god, you hook 275 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: a rug. 276 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: You had me, oh, because that's cool, right, I know. 277 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: I haven't done that in a long time. It was 278 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: so fun. It was very meditative, and I had to 279 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: do embroidery. And I used to do embroidered. I was 280 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: really good. Make on my jeans. I'd make little like 281 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: things you did. I was very crafty. I forgot how 282 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: crafty I was. 283 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god. So back in the day, like people, 284 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: when people would do that. I remember my friends because 285 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: I used to love to hook a rug and I 286 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: used to you did, Oh my god, I used to 287 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: be super crafty before kids. 288 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: I used to. 289 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: I used to actually read. I used to be crafty. 290 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: But now you could do it with your kids. You 291 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: could get all crafty with your kids again. 292 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: No fun, No, I'm just kidding. I did. I did 293 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: get crafty, and then it gets messy, and then it 294 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: gets Yes, there's certain things that have fallen away. But 295 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: remember back in the day, if you would like hook 296 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: a rug, or you would crochet blankets or embroidery, people 297 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's such a grandma hobby. Now it's 298 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: freaking chic. We bring it back. 299 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: You should bring back the crochet. You should do a 300 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: crochet show. Need a point in crochet with Tori spelling. 301 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: Come on me, sure, I mean not all the time. 302 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: I'll come and be a guest. I don't know where. 303 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: I mean, just because I think I would get bored 304 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: after a couple of them. You know, it's a funny idea. 305 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: We could do shorts. 306 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: That's the new thing, right, vertical shorts vertical short. 307 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: Yes. 308 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: So I feel like I don't want to say you're 309 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: in your reinvention phase because you never went anywhere, like 310 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: You've always been relevant. That's that's tough in this business 311 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: to always stay relevant. And when I say relevant, I 312 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: mean every generation literally knows you. And it's interesting because 313 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: I showed my teenagers and they knew you. But you 314 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: know how they knew you? Riverdale, TikTok, show Girls actually, 315 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: but TikTok because the memes and the things come fast 316 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: and they put music to it, so any it becomes 317 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: like their generation now, they're watching it fast. But they're like, 318 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: oh and here's what they'll say, Oh I saw that show. 319 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, well it was. It was not a hit movie. 320 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: That's a whole movie it was. 321 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: And they're like, oh she was in that. We see 322 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: this all the time online. I'm like, oh my, oh wow. 323 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: But our liners. 324 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think teenagers though, I usually get I could 325 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: always tell, like when someone's coming up, you know, as 326 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: a fan, how old they are, where they live, their age, 327 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: all that stuff, and usually teenagers I get either Riverdale 328 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: or Brooklyn nine nine those are the two, you know. 329 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: But it's always different people because I have done different things. 330 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: I don't know, I I just do you know, when 331 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 2: I do music, I could tell and the rockers are 332 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 2: coming up, I'm like, oh I got this album, or 333 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: you know I saw prey for rock and roll, or 334 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: like tough dudes they like face off, you know. I mean, 335 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: it's it's kind of interesting. 336 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: Right you have all these kind of huge beniche things 337 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: that it's definitely like you can tell you but you're 338 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: an energy person. 339 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: So I read an energy person. 340 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: Meaning you well, I guess when you know when people 341 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: say read the room or humans like energetically intuitively, like 342 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: you take that on and no, I call that you're 343 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: a chess player of life, a really good one. 344 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: I mean, well, listen the whole first third of the 345 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: book in the Valley. I thought that was important to 346 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: set up, just because I only had my instincts at 347 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: times to you know, read the room or be like 348 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 2: oh danger, danger, like something is off here. And then 349 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: I took those tools, I guess when I went to 350 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: New York and then certainly navigating through the shark and 351 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: festival waters of Hollywood. You know, there's always been like 352 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: bullies and toxic people and idiots and people trying to 353 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: They still are there, always will be. It's just like 354 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: I was watching The Dinosaurs the other day, the series 355 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: on TV, which you could watch with all your kids. 356 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: You know, the men man is animals, and you see 357 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: it's just like allso they're reptiles and all of a 358 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: sudden the dinosaurs and they wipe those out, and you know, 359 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: it's it's always a survival of the jungle sort of thing. 360 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: And yet I get along really well with wild animals. 361 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 2: I've had really weird experiences. I could write a book 362 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 2: about that. And yet you know, I wouldn't walk through 363 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: a jungle after dark by myself because I don't want 364 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: to walk into trouble. But you know, you just have 365 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 2: to be aware of everything around you. 366 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: What is a wild story with a wild animal that 367 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: you haven't told? 368 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh there's wolves, there's snakes, poisonous the 369 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: most I was. 370 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: Swimming with Hollywood I'm talking about. I'm just kidding. 371 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: I went swimming once with cross alligators. I didn't know 372 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: it until later on. I mean, there's the wolf story 373 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: is way too long, but wild wolves. I had a 374 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: big exciting experience with that. Alligators, snakes, I certainly had 375 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: weird cat stories. But yeah, it's all energy, you know, 376 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: like a wild dog or wild woolf for something's coming 377 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: at you. You just kind of neutralize and then they 378 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 2: don't attack you, or you know, you just become friends 379 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: with them. They're really long stories. 380 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: It would take up the whole podcast. You should do 381 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: something with that. 382 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: I know. I was thinking about doing a small little 383 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: book of times I almost got killed without later you know, 384 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: weird tales. But yeah, I know that's great. I know, 385 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: I know, I know. I want to write these scripts 386 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: and act in something again and then maybe do music 387 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: and then I'll go back to write. Writing's very isolating, 388 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: you know, and I like it. I like being alone now, 389 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: but it kind of pushed it into a new realm 390 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: of like uh oh, like I going out to those 391 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: Oscar parties or whatever. Like I'm like, okay, I need 392 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: to socialize again. I get very hermit like when I'm writing. 393 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: So so, I'm sure everyone tells you they love Showgirls. 394 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: I love show Girls. Obviously, duh saw it in the 395 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: theater twice, did you? I did? But Bound Bound as 396 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: my jam. 397 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jah bounds a good one for sure. 398 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: And it's so interest. It was in the time that 399 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, it is like I 400 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: certainly didn't feel like I could be have all those 401 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: sides and be strong, and it's I don't know. I'm 402 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: finding out as I'm getting older that there's many things 403 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: that I want to creatively explore and like it's I 404 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: don't know, like bdsm wow, I'm like, I'm just gonna 405 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: launch it. 406 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: Right. 407 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: It's such a thing in some form or another, and 408 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: what it stands for is control lost and control. It's 409 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: not talking about the actuality of it and going back 410 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: to being a dom being an alpha, like we take 411 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: on all these I don't want to see masks because 412 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't like to think that people wear masks. It 413 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: should just be right out there. But I remember being 414 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: a young girl and watching Bound and being like, oh 415 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: my gosh in my head like I want to be 416 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: that girl, Like I can never be that girl. And 417 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: now I feel like it's twenty twenty six. We can 418 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: all be every human we want to be unapologetically. 419 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what being an alpha pussy is. Dealing with that, 420 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: like standing in your own two feet, knowing who you 421 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: are and not letting anyone tell you what to do 422 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: or push you around, but you have to really know 423 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: yourself to be like this is what I want to do. 424 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: You know. That was like where all those stories kind 425 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: of hang their hat on. 426 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: And I see, have you ever been a people pleaser? 427 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: I'm guessing no, I'm reading no like it. 428 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: No, not really. My sister is, but you know she's 429 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: the middle child. My sister's the people pleaser. I was 430 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: like on my own, so I was more in survival 431 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: mode all the time of like okay, yes for sure, yeah, 432 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: I think yeah. In my family, you know, because I 433 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: also was kind of raised. I was alone a lot, 434 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: you know, just because my brother and sister were older 435 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 2: and they didn't want to play with me, and my 436 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: mom and dad were off working, and you know, it 437 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: was a different time. You know, it wasn't helicopter parents. 438 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: Was like, you know, I was six or seven walking 439 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: myself home from schools like be home before dinner. 440 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, right, like a latchkey kid. Yes, yeah, yeah, 441 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: for sure, be home when the sun goes down. 442 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: Yea. 443 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: It's so different now, but I feel like it's starting 444 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: to turn with the times, like it's the helicopter mom. 445 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't that in school. I would come and see 446 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: those moms and the moms that were perfect and do everything, 447 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: and I'd sit there and be like, I can give 448 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: them a lot of love. Like I'm not that like, 449 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: but now like I feel like it's changing in the 450 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: respect that especially females innately are born with this power 451 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: of confidence. This is their era and they like my 452 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: seventeen year old I'm like, will go out and she's 453 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: by by no means unkind or the B word at all. 454 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: She's just confident and she knows what she wants and 455 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: she says it. And I constantly am like, no, no, no, 456 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: we don't say it like that. Don't And she goes 457 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: why because I'm being blunt, and I'm like, oh, interesting. 458 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: So you are a people pleaser then. 459 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: Still I am. I'm wanting to be a recovering people pleaser. 460 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: But it's been tricky. 461 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: It's boundaries. I mean, she knows like my niece is 462 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: very tough like that, She'll be like nope, we're not 463 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 2: doing this with this, and I'm like wow. Me and 464 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: my sister were looking at wow, good for you. You know, 465 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: are you where do you come in your family? Your sibling? 466 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 1: Are your one brother five years younger? 467 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: Oh so you'd have to be like very responsible, I 468 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: guess as the eldest daughter. But well you were being 469 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 2: watched a lot more, right because you're like the first 470 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I think I clearly have never really 471 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: been a people pleaser, just because I don't know never. 472 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: I mean the people who I respect, I really want 473 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: their respect, you know, but there's that those are few 474 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: and far between. And I just feel like, you know, 475 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: half of my career or my life wouldn't be what 476 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: it is if I listened to people's advice and they said, 477 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 2: oh you should. I mean Bound as a perfect example. 478 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 2: I talk about that in the book when you know, 479 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: I got that, and they were like, you can't do 480 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: this movie. We can't represent you. You're ruining your career. 481 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: And I kept going why, Like, I think it's really 482 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 2: a cool part. It was right after Showgirls, so I 483 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 2: was like, let me out a really acting part of me. 484 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 2: Cut off my hair, cut off, you know, take the 485 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: makeup off, cut off the nails. They were like, you know, well, 486 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: she's a lesbian and first time directors. I'm like, first 487 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 2: of all, these directors are really good, I could tell, 488 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: and a lesbian. That's not a reason not to do 489 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: a part like women never get to play the hero part, 490 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: you know. I was like, I want to do it, 491 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: and I had to leave my agents, right, So if 492 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 2: I was a people pleaser in that way, I would 493 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: be like, Okay, you're right. But half the time I'm like, 494 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: fuck it, it's my career. I'm going to do what 495 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: I want to do because they're just thinking about it, 496 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: you know, for money or for and maybe a bigger 497 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 2: picture of like, oh, we want to make you this. 498 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: And I guess i'd never really I didn't think that 499 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: way for better or worse. I just it's just the 500 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: way I think, you know, I have to like it 501 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: or not like it. 502 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: For better. I mean, oh my gosh, it's amazing. I 503 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: wish I had taken notes from when I was younger 504 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: from you. I wish i'd meet you when I was younger, 505 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: because I think from the outside, I'm just gonna as 506 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: a fan girl outside perspective, and you're intimidating until I 507 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: meet you and I'm like, oh my gosh, which you 508 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: know what. I hate saying that because my entire existence 509 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: has been preconceived notions about who I am. So I 510 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: hate being that girl, being like you're intimidating. But I 511 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: never thought like intimidating in She's not nice, you know. 512 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: It was always like, wow, she's powerful, and that was 513 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: intimidating to my personality at least, and I'm sure to 514 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people. 515 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: Well, I think the parts that I played, you know, 516 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 2: I wasn't on TV as much, so you don't get 517 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: to know the person in the same Like movies, people 518 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 2: kind of stay away because and in TV you're like 519 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: in you're someone's living room, so they feel like they 520 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: can come up to you and first whatever reasons. The 521 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: few parts that I did that people really seem to 522 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: notice or you know, you know, they were very tough, 523 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: crazy like intimidating esque sort of parts. But it's when 524 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: I feel like when I meet people, everyone's like, oh, 525 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: you're so different, because I'm not really like that. I'm 526 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: just a really good actress, you know, but I'm not 527 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: really like that in person. But I kind of liked 528 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: it in a way because then people left me alone, 529 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: and like I said, I have like social anxiety, so 530 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: if they don't come up to me, I was like, great, 531 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: I'm like the person if I I you know, I'm 532 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: trying to get better, but like I'm not a big 533 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: red carpet. If there's a red carpet and I could 534 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: sneak around and not do it, then I'm happy, which 535 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: is so bizarre. 536 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: Same, Oh my gosh, what is the most This is 537 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: an odd word, but it's coming to my brain. Demure 538 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: role in character you've ever played. 539 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: It's funny that you should say that, because I was thinking. 540 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: You know, someone was asked me, what do you want 541 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: to play next? And I really want to play to 542 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: someone completely fragile and off the normal beat and like 543 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, fragile and vulnerable and just 544 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: kind of not perfect and not confident, not confident. You know, 545 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: I think that'd be really interesting. 546 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I played you like to play me in 547 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: my lifetime story. 548 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: You come off you're not You're too tough, like I'm talking. 549 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: You may think it's I think so. I think you're 550 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: very confident, and I think you're very You present yourself 551 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: that way, and you may feel like a mess inside. 552 00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: It's a facade. 553 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: I know. 554 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: Well, we don't say mess. We don't we say no. 555 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: It seems like a hot mess. Now I don't hot no, 556 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: I don't h a U T. 557 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: But yes, I cop but you know, I think it 558 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: is something a presentation I do put on. 559 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: Yes, also listen, you have like when people A girl 560 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: friend of mine said this to me once. She said, 561 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 2: you know, I said, why do people think I'm so mean? 562 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: She goes, it's your eyebrows. Play your eyebrows, you know, 563 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: they're like they're arched. And I'm like, yeah, she goes, 564 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: and you're dark, So people just assume you're a bit 565 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: And I went, that's crazy. That's a T shirt I 566 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: talked about I talk I have. I can't remember which chapter, 567 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: but I talked about this somewhere in the book. People 568 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: like to label things because if they don't know what 569 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: they are, and you also have a you know, you 570 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: have a present that people might be intimidated by or 571 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: assume or you know, people like to make up stories 572 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: about people. You kind of come from this whole family, 573 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: and so they assume certain things and it's probably not 574 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: who you are at all. 575 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: Right, that's funny you're mentioning that. Yeah, just recently, I 576 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: was like, someone in my life is creating their own narrative. 577 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: They're creating a story that's just not but it is 578 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: based on me or an assumption of me. You know, 579 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: yeah in my early life and being yeah, Hollywood, that's royalty. 580 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: Oh I just gagged to myself saying that. But you 581 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: know what royalty? 582 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: I was not value loyalty. I wasn't. I definitely was trouble, 583 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: valley trouble. I had to get out. 584 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: But that's what you call yourself a valley punk. 585 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: I think I'm an og valley girl for sure. 586 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: Wait, do you remember, like though, when we used to 587 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: say valley punks? Though, because I was friends with everyone 588 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: in the valley starting at like sixteen on, I way 589 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: preferred to go to the valley. Oh my god, save 590 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: on parking lots where we hang out and like sneak 591 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: Bartles and James like strawberry cream. But like, do you 592 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: remember the save on parking lot? 593 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: It was like I do remember the parking lots. 594 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: And being a girl from people say Beverly Hills although 595 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: I never lived there, bel Air, I was like, I 596 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: felt so cool, Like coming over the hill. I know 597 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: everyone wants to get out of the valley. 598 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: Were fling it. You were like, Oh, I'm gonna go 599 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: slum it over the hill? Where us going? 600 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: Whoa man? 601 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 2: I mean? I remember going to my first party in 602 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: Beverly Hills, like a group of girls white adore and 603 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: love to this day. But they were having like a 604 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: dinner party, Like we didn't have dinner parties in the valley, right, 605 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, like what you know, dress up like 606 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: we might go like thirties. I mean I had no 607 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: and like the fancies. I think the thing I had 608 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 2: was like my dance skin, dance outfit, like with the 609 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: skirt and the leotard. And I walked in thinking I 610 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: looked cool for the valley at the time. And these 611 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: girls were so sophisticated. They had like the azidine which 612 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 2: I didn't even know what acidine was, and the Kenzo's 613 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: in like nineteen thirties pieces aziden alia. We didn't have that, 614 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: and that I didn't know that in the valley the 615 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: band is dress yeah, you know, but I was like, wow, 616 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 2: I have a feeling I'm not in the valley anymore. 617 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: You know. It was a different you know, but you know, 618 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: they took pity on me and they're like, you're going 619 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: our closet where whatever you want. But like looking back, like, 620 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: oh my god, I showed up in my little dance outfit, 621 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: like it's so fat. 622 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: That it would be so cool, right, I know, I understand. 623 00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: Did you have leg more? 624 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: No? I didn't have leg warmers. I wasn't that lame, 625 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 2: but it was like a dark blue you know. 626 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: Oh no, we're so close to being friends. 627 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. I think leg warmers are great. 628 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: But like for this dress, I have forty two leg warmers. 629 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: I've collected them since the eighties. 630 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 2: Do you really? I do? 631 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: I won't part with them. 632 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: See, you could start crocheting leg warmers. That could be 633 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: your crafty. You could bring leg warmers back, custom made 634 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: leg warmers. 635 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: Come on, here's something in their back, right. 636 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: I think they're great. But you know, then, when I 637 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 2: was really a dancer, I only wore them dance, and 638 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,479 Speaker 2: you didn't wear them outside of dancing because that would 639 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 2: have been weird. I was already pushing it with my 640 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 2: dance skin, leotard and skirt as an outfit. Oh my gosh, 641 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: but that was the fanciest thing I. 642 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: Had American apparel. It's gone now, But I know you 643 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: should have been the face of that sheet campaign. That 644 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: would have been what campaign did did you get? But 645 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: turned down none? 646 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: I never get campaigns. Why would you love to get 647 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: a can I never. 648 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: Talked about, Oh, I'm an idea person. Do you have 649 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: a manage? 650 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: I should I the other day someone said, do you 651 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 2: do branding or campaigns? Like, no, no one really asks me. 652 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 2: The only campaign I did, but I was friends with 653 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 2: him and he said, hey, do you want to do 654 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 2: a bill We're doing a picture for a billboard and 655 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 2: blah blah. And he was Tom Ford, who was my friend. 656 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 2: It was a Gucci thing. Like of course I say yes, 657 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,919 Speaker 2: he was my pal and so that was I guess 658 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: a moment, you know, but it was very nice, you know. 659 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 2: But other than that, I haven't really done anything. I 660 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: never get me out there. It's stupid. 661 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: You have to like new things that are you doing 662 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: and it's all fresh, But nostalgia has never been It's 663 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: like an all time this is it? Anyone that was 664 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: like it back then is out of. 665 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 2: The nineties that big thing, right, I know, I could 666 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: be like representative of that time period. I mean, I'm 667 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 2: all into the side hustle right now, aren't we all? 668 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, so I'm super into you nostalgia wise, 669 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: going with a brand and reinventing like that campaign? 670 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 2: What about bringing Ditto's back? Do you remember Dittos. 671 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: The gen Yeah, yeah, I have, I have a pair. 672 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: What is happening right now? 673 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 2: I want to bring Dittos back. That's what I would bring. 674 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,959 Speaker 2: That's all I wore. 675 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: I am not fucking with you. I believe in signs, 676 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: and when I really am open to them, they come 677 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: in hot for all of us. And I think we 678 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: just like are like, oh that's a coincidence. Oh that's funny, 679 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: but it's like no, really, so I'm uh. People say hoarder, 680 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: I call it collector. I have a good taste. I 681 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: was just looking at my Ditto jeans last night. Granted 682 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: they're a twenty four. I'm never getting back in those, 683 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: but it's okay. 684 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: You know, I had five kids. 685 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: My heads expanded. I'm cool with that. But I was 686 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: looking at them and I was like, God, that was 687 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: a moment and the feeling it evoked in me. That's 688 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: what it was about, is we were like, get rid 689 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: of that stuff. You haven't worn it for a year, 690 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: it's out. I'm like, okay, I haven't worn this in 691 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: like twenty five years. But when I saw it, it 692 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: evoked such a happy place of joy and reflection. Did 693 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: it make me happy? 694 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, that's all I used to wear. 695 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: Are they still in business? 696 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 2: No, I don't know what happened to them, I said 697 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 2: somebody the other day. I'm like, where's Dittos? Why don't 698 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: we bring those back? And rememb're Shamanda Fair jeans? How 699 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 2: great were Cremanda Donnas? 700 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god? 701 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: It was like my birthday. 702 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: They was sixty nine. Nope, miss sixty. 703 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 2: That was after right, miss sixty. I met my first day. 704 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 2: I was so excited. I wore like my high top 705 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 2: white brand new Shamenda Fair jeans because I'm like, you 706 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 2: know what, my purple lowrider Dittos I used to work 707 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 2: with a zip for that big like those are two valley. 708 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 2: Now I got to like up my game. So I 709 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: showed up with my puka shells, my feathered hair, my 710 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 2: white high top Shamenda Fairs, and like a blue tarry 711 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: cloth like cropped tight shirt. I was like it, Yes, 712 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: I was really feeling myself there. 713 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: I usually only get this excited. I'm a food you 714 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: when I and I don't mean even high end. I 715 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: just love food. And I usually get this excited when 716 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: I talk to people about food. But you're talking about 717 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: fashion and I'm like losing my mind right now. Oh 718 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: my gosh, wheat. I feel like for social media, let's 719 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: recreate the tom Ford billboard. 720 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: Why at the top? Why why don't you recreate the 721 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 2: like Shamenda Fair dittos or something. 722 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, I'll how do we do that? 723 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 2: I want to bring back dittos? I would do that 724 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 2: in a heartbeat, would you in. 725 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna slide into your DMS. And I call myself 726 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: a detective of anything like I When people are like, oh, yeah, 727 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: couldn't find that, couldn't find the number, didn't know, I 728 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: was like, I will find anything and everything. I love 729 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: to research and stuff that here's a priority list. I'll 730 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,240 Speaker 1: pick like number twenty two on the list and focus 731 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: on details. 732 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: That's good to know. Okay, So slide into my DMS. 733 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sorry I didn't talk more about Alpha Pussy, 734 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: but I'm meeting you on a level that I'm like, 735 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I love every thing about you the 736 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: people don't know and don't ask you about. 737 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 2: We talked about Alpha Pussy enough and just like if 738 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 2: you post it and say, my god by, you have 739 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,919 Speaker 2: to read the book, You're going to totally like it. 740 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 2: Like because just it talks a lot about all this. 741 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: Why do you think I haven't read it? No, I'm joking. 742 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: I skimmed it. I skimmed it, and I'm a fast reader. 743 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 744 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: Can I ask? I know you are right now? May 745 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: I ask about the book you wrote with your brother? 746 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 2: Is it Camp Camp creep Camp Creepy Time. 747 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 748 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 2: I've written two other books besides this one. Camp Creepy 749 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 2: Time was the book I wrote with my brother. It's 750 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 2: a YA book, like a you know, a young adult 751 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 2: book that are you. Stephen Spield, Steven Spielberg bought it 752 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 2: and then but then they kind of got into development hell, 753 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 2: and it just kind of went into the land of 754 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 2: development hell. It's a really good story. It's like, you know, 755 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 2: like you're nine year old, unless they get scared. It's 756 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 2: really cute. It's kind of like Men in Black for kids, 757 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 2: mixed up with something that's cute. And then the last 758 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 2: book I wrote a few years yars ago, was about, uh, 759 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 2: the true story about when my cat went missing. It 760 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 2: was called In Search of Cleo, How I Found my 761 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 2: Pussy and Lost my Mind. Miss really about relationships, but 762 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 2: it's also literally about me searching the streets of La, 763 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 2: looking for my lost cat. 764 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: And it's really really quickly. Now you have to go 765 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,439 Speaker 1: my cat Bean went missing. It's gosh, it's four years now. 766 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: But I was like reaching out to everyone, and everyone 767 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: kept saying, you have to get in touch with Gina Kershan. 768 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: You don't understand. This was she went on the street. 769 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: She went on this. I was like, oh my gosh, 770 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: because we were wearing and everything. I know, I got 771 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: intimidated again. 772 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 2: Did you get Bean back? 773 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: No? 774 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 2: I know, Oh my god. You should read that book. 775 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 2: You would love it. I mean, if you're a cat person, 776 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:52,800 Speaker 2: Oh I'm. 777 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: Sorry, no, no, but I love the fact that you 778 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: went out there and did anything in ever And. 779 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 2: He's all I had at that moment. I had a 780 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 2: bad break up. My uncle just died, my best friend 781 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 2: had just died. I was my other friend who I 782 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 2: was living with. It was a really odd, horrible moment, 783 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 2: and so my cat was just like my heart wandering 784 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 2: around the streets of La and I'm like, oh my god, 785 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 2: I really lost my mind. So that was and then 786 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 2: that story is really crazy, like weird stuff. There's some 787 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 2: weird stories in there that people are like, oh, you 788 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 2: made up that part. I'm like trust me. The weirder 789 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 2: the story is. It's true. You know, I never meant 790 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 2: to write a book. I was doing music and telling 791 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 2: the story, thinking, oh, my music's so great, and then 792 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 2: I got a book deal from it. I'm like, what, okay, 793 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 2: what like, Oh, You're gonna pay me all this money 794 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 2: to just write down the story I've already basically written. 795 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: I've lips, so I just meant to be Yeah, it's 796 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: all I kind. 797 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 2: Of go with the flow. I talk about that a lot. 798 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 2: Just if you're in the flow, then one thing. Listen. 799 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 2: Maybe this whole podcast was supposed to be about us 800 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 2: recreating dittos and strement affairs and bringing. 801 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: Back I Believe and all that. I'm so used to 802 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: a world where people are like, focus on this one 803 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: thing at a time, structure, structure, and like you know, 804 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like I am. I'm saying, go with the flow, 805 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: and no, it wasn't supposed to be this, but it 806 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 1: became this. That means something. Oh my gosh, okay, I'm 807 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: going to slide into your DMS. 808 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 2: Ride into my dams. Baby, it's so fun to talk 809 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 2: to you. 810 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm very excited about Alpha. 811 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm mad at you that you didn't 812 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 2: come up to me at that party and said, I'm. 813 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: Not at myself. This is never going to happen again. 814 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 2: You know what. I think, Like I said, I think 815 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 2: everyone's always you know, when I went up to someone 816 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 2: at that party, and I really literally was just so 817 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 2: like like, oh my god, he's so cute and he's 818 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 2: so great. I just want to say congratulations, but I 819 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 2: don't want to bother him, you know it with Michael B. Jordan, 820 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 2: because I really think he's special and say so much. 821 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm scared to go up. 822 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 2: I was scared, right, I was like no, but you 823 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 2: know what, he was so great. I'm just gonna say congratulations. 824 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 2: And I was there with my friend and as soon 825 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 2: as I said, hey, I just want to he looked 826 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 2: at me and said, oh my god, and he grabbed 827 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 2: me and hugged me. He's like I'm He's like, I'm 828 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 2: such a fan. I'm like, no, no, I'm the fan. 829 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 2: Like wait what. My friend's like, God, you guys are 830 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 2: old friends. I'm like we just met and we were 831 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 2: just like what a sweetheart that guy is and he's 832 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 2: so beautiful, beautiful and kind and sweet, and I was 833 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 2: so happy. I said Hi. It made my whole night. Right. 834 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: I don't believe in regrets, but I regret not going 835 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: up to you. Okay, great time. I'm going to make 836 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: this Ditto thing happen. 837 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 2: Great whatever happened to shamand Affairs. I like Dittos. I 838 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 2: was a real Dittos girl. They were my first. I 839 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 2: had the zipper that was this big, oh the lowriders 840 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 2: tight with the bell bottom. I had it in purple. 841 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 2: I had him in white in. 842 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,720 Speaker 1: The park on the back. It was like a little 843 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: it was like it. 844 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 2: Was so cute. I used to go roller skating in 845 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 2: them at the Sherman Square roller Ring. I thought it 846 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 2: was very cool. Oh why not? That was like my life. Anyway, 847 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 2: it's been so fun talking to you. 848 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 1: I it's been really fun. Okay, Samanda fair Dido. I 849 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: have a mission, and I'm going. 850 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 2: That's a mission to get me to be that girl 851 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 2: and we can bring it. 852 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 1: Back and we're going to hook rugs together and we 853 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: cat hook rugs. Guys, the lement. You're amazing this. I 854 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,359 Speaker 1: am so glad I got to talk to you. You 855 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: have blown me away, like in just a cool vibe, 856 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: like I just really love your energy over zoom. 857 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 2: Over zoom well next time in real person. 858 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I would love that. Thank you so much, have 859 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: a 860 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:50,839 Speaker 2: Great rest of your day.