1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: We walked six steps and birds is hammering the little bars. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: How about this? If you're hunting, buddy, he packs nothing. Yeah, oh, 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: and eat your food you want to. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: You've never eating your food. 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: I've taken you have food. 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I've taken water and left the full water in my pack. 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: That way, if we needed more, I'm the one carrying it. 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: I've never borrowed food, not once. That's true. I'll give 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: you that you got something. I don't want to open 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: up a whole nother bar man. Just give me for 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: drinking that out here. The steaks are real. Effective Preparation 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: through training and competition to hunting in the back country. 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: This is In Pursuit, brought to you by Mount Numps 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt Dodds. What's on tap for 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: this episode? 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: Don't procrastinate. 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Don't procrastinate, so don't start shooting the week before. 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, September, When was the last. 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: Time you shot a bow? 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: Well, I just got technically just got one. There was 25 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: a while when I was without. 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 4: There's the board of this story. 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 3: We'll leave it. 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 4: We'll leave it off though. 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't have one. 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: But it's true you didn't. 32 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: And I was a team player because I gave mine away. 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, before, are you really a team player if you 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 5: call yourself a team player? 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: Though, I feel like I was being a team player 36 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: by giving one. 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but once again, you call yourself a team player. 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: Moses was the most humble man alive. 39 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: That's what he said, and he wrote it. 40 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 4: John Jesus Jesus loved it. Yes, so it. 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: Happens if only bird can tell you. 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: That like disqualifies you. You can't give yourself your own nickname. 43 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Moses did it. 44 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you got to earn your nicknames around here. 45 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: Humble, bragg, Dodds, duds mm hmm. 46 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: But I did just get a boat. Well, I got 47 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: an old boat back. 48 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: You got your bow back? Yeah, we do. There was 49 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: a lot of like shuffling of bows depending on. 50 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: If Rory was supposed to go on that Alaska hunt. 51 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: And so that's that bow. 52 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 2: I gave the last bow I had. I gave that 53 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: boat to Rory for that hunt. 54 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 4: Just a you're in a gape fellow. 55 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, the bow that I washed his people's feet. 56 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: The boat I have now is probably. 57 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: One or two before that, the one that you missed 58 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: the deer. 59 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: Yes, is it? 60 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: It is? 61 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't need that. 62 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: I thought that's why you got rid of it. I 63 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: thought that's you said it was cursed. 64 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 4: That's fine that you're just mad. 65 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was pretty. 66 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: I've never once given you ship about it until just now. 67 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: I feel like the like statue limitation after three. 68 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: Years, i'd probably rather what's the statue? 69 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Need? 70 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: I need a couple of weeks before you one on 71 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: one is fine? Now you just put it so. 72 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 4: It's kind of work the worst way publicly. 73 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 5: Hey, I've never like national, I did never make fun 74 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 5: of you, but Bird, you really screwed up that time. 75 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: LEAs. It's not on video. 76 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 4: Yeah I did that, you know on video. 77 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: What's the statute of limitations on being made fun of something? 78 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. 79 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 4: I don't know if there's depends on depends on the thing. 80 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 4: It's tough. 81 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're already spiraling like you have missed an animal 82 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: or wound an animal you need at least yeah, the 83 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: next season maybe I'd say a week a week a week, man, 84 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: I still spiral on the the one I missed with 85 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: the born and Raised. 86 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 4: Guys hasn't even yeah formula which our version of that video? 87 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: Have we? I'm sorry? 88 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: Did we put our version of that video out? 89 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 90 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: Did we? 91 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 92 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it. 93 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: It's a good one. 94 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 4: Is that the clip you posted or you made? 95 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: No, that was that was first first I but that 96 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: was That's a good clip, A good clip. Well done. 97 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: We'll put together. 98 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was great. 99 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: All right, seasons starting to come together for us, trying 100 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: to figure all that out. Yeah, it's not really come 101 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: together at always have to draw some tags. 102 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, draw the tags. 103 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: Really that's about But everything's put in? Is anything open? 104 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: Still? 105 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: DoD said this by this time, this goes out. 106 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: Colorado Western last one. 107 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: You can do a lot of stuff Eastern, I bet 108 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: still but. 109 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: A lot of OTC tags so you don't have to 110 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 3: obviously draw. 111 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: Th what states? Can you still OTC. 112 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: Tag Colorado for rifle non residents and it's no longer 113 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 3: archery ot No, you have to draw for non residents. 114 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: And then I believe so Montana has a general season, 115 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 3: but you have to draw for it back up. 116 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: If you miss the draw, sometimes there's leftover tags. 117 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: Correct, but I wouldn't count on that, No, no, no. 118 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: But it's still very confusing because I remember last year 119 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: when we went out there for rifle there were still 120 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: leftover Yeah. 121 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: So if you draw it and you don't want it, 122 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: it puts over the leftover lists in his first come, 123 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 3: first surf. It usually those goes pretty darn. 124 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Quick if people know how to work the system correct. 125 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: People like me, who are an idiot do not. 126 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: Right. Therefore, Yeah, I know like Oregon and Utah have 127 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 3: some form of a general season OTC tags, but I 128 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: don't know enough to speak on it. 129 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: Then there's I know there's a late season mule deer 130 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: in Arizona. 131 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 3: That oh yeah, that one is very OTC because it's 132 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 3: a tough hunt. Like I know, my friend Stephen Drake, 133 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 3: he's a pretty well known photographer in the space. He 134 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: goes every single year for months, and I think he 135 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 3: got his first one like year five of going down there. 136 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: It's a tough hunt. There's a reason why they give 137 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 3: so many tags, gotcha. 138 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so you should within the next couple 139 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: of weeks, probably have your where you're going. 140 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: You're playing together or a little Yeah, you'll know your 141 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: results and then you can you know, plan accordingly from there. 142 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: Ye. Yeah, so usually that's by win. 143 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: You'll have a really good idea of what your years 144 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: looking right, looking like around June, Yeah, June. 145 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 5: So June, July, August, if you're hunting in September, you're hunting, 146 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 5: let's see, yeah, let's just assume you're putting in for September. Yeah, 147 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 5: you know the saying, uh, June, July and August, you'll 148 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 5: have June, July and August to kind of hone in everything, 149 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 5: not just well you're shooting, you're a quick. 150 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: Right back up, we're gonna go ahead. The obvious is 151 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: you need to start getting in shape. 152 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: Now. 153 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can do that. 154 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 5: You shouldn't doing that anyways, Yeah, you should do that anyways. 155 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 5: You know, if you're putting in for any hunt, you 156 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 5: know that you're going to try to go on some 157 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 5: kind of hunt, you should just be getting in shape. 158 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: You should not be doing the Billings method where you 159 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: just show up, yeah and you try to hunt. 160 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: Listen to the podcast about training you around, training. 161 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: Around see that episode. So now we're just gonna talk 162 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: gear prep stuff, planning stuff, those types of things. 163 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: I'd say first and foremost, kicking it off, like get 164 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: work off, Like understand your scheduling, pick the dates, solidify 165 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: and communicate it to the people in your life accordingly. 166 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: Communicate it to your boss and your other boss, your wife. Yeah, 167 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: we have a calendar. It's called the big ass Calendar. 168 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: It's on the wall. It's the whole year, and I 169 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: will write things out nine months in advance. 170 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: This is in your house, is in our house. 171 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: And my wife does not look at it, and she's like, 172 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: you didn't tell me. I'll be like, I told you 173 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: nine months ago, I told you six months ago. I 174 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: do it in likeables up until three months and then 175 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: I go I think it's monthly, and then two months 176 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: out of go weekly and she still is mad. So 177 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: work probably first, and then make sure with the wife 178 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: that hey, this is what's going on. 179 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 2: Mike has sent me the post from the hunt camp 180 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: when it came out. 181 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: Oh, she's like, oh, so you're gonna be here? 182 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: Are you going to this? 183 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: Say? Hey, yeah, I'll take a kid. 184 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: I said, yeah, but Chi's gonna come, So it's fine. 185 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: It's free. You know which, I'm fine, I'd rather take 186 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: Like I took my kids, all three of my kids 187 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: this weekend so Hillary could not complain that we were 188 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: going Like, no, I got them all. 189 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: It's easy. 190 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're assuming September, ELK. So you have once you 191 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 5: know where you're hunting. You were at that point. Now 192 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 5: you have three months. You have a quarter of the 193 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 5: year to kind of you have a quarter of the 194 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 5: year to figure out what you need to get, what 195 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 5: you need to get together, and what you should be 196 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 5: doing for your fitness if you need. 197 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: To dial that up. Luckily we take the guesswork out. 198 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and depends on your level. You don't want to 199 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: wait till July. 200 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 5: No, definitely not, you don't. I don't even think you 201 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 5: want to wait until till June. Like I think I 202 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 5: mean for fitness for sure, even for your gear like shooting, 203 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 5: Like it's not that hard to take ten minutes and 204 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 5: shoot a few arrows. Not every single day. But let's 205 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 5: just say. You know the rule about reading your Bible, 206 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: if you read it more days than you don't, there's 207 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 5: a statistic on that yet. Yeah it's four days a week. Yeah, 208 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 5: you read it more often than you don't. It's like, like, 209 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 5: isn't it like metal, It's like mental health, like like 210 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 5: a metric. Yeah, so like you're more likely to uh 211 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 5: to do obviously do better on your hunt if you 212 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 5: are shooting somewhat consistently shooting for shooting five arrows and 213 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 5: a ten to fifteen minute window different times a week. 214 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 215 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: What do we think about the overlap between bow and rifle? 216 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: So it's a little bit harder for guys probably girls 217 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: to go to the rifle range. Do we think there's 218 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: some crossover with just you know, if hey, I didn't 219 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: get an archery tag er, maybe archery is not my deal. 220 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: I want a rifle hunt. Do we think there's some crossover. 221 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff got accuracy, just. 222 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: The whole process. I mean, if you talk to Joel, 223 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: it's the exact same. You know, if you've got a crossbow, 224 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: if you've got a twenty two even you can still 225 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: think around a little bit. 226 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: I'd say my train of thought is I want two 227 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: hundred rounds through that gun before opening down to two hundred. Yeah, 228 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: that's a lot, man, I mean it's only a couple 229 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 3: of cases. 230 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: The price per round these days, man, how much shoot 231 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: us Yeah, I know you were. 232 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: I know you had it like that fifty bullets a case, 233 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: that's four cases. It's not that bad. 234 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: What gun are you shooting? Mine? Coming twenty What gun 235 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 4: are you shore? You shooting an ar. 236 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: Well, I'm shooting a nine mail I reload, but. 237 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 5: Okay, so he's anyway. No, I really do like the 238 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 5: method of So yeah, I mean, I guess I would. 239 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 5: I would side with you what you're saying about the 240 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 5: process of everything of shooting your bro because you hear 241 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 5: people all the time, like you just said, like with 242 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 5: a twenty two, if you have a twenty two, it's 243 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 5: not really the same rifle, but it's the same process absolutely. 244 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 5: So like if you get that twenty two out, you 245 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 5: definitely are saving money by not shooting. 246 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: Not expensive to get the AMMO unless you're. 247 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: You should definitely be shooting your rifle. Yeah, you know, 248 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: if you're a good amount, I would say, if you're going, 249 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, out west, you're putting all this money in, 250 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: why would you not practice that exist? Yeah, you know, 251 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: ten to twelve times between in four or five months. Yeah, 252 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: for sure, a bit excessive, but it's. 253 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: Call it one hundred four buckshire going you're going. 254 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: Through established there's twenty rounds in a case. 255 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: Okay, well, depending on how big your cases you're going 256 00:11:59,400 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: through at. 257 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: Least as a ba's that the dots has a big case. 258 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I I like to before each season, I 259 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 5: like to put like two box. I like to put 260 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 5: forty rounds through my gun if I can, uh, and 261 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 5: then not every season. I do that like if I've 262 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 5: shot the gun for several years. 263 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: In a row. 264 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: I'm one. 265 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 5: If you shoot like I do, you're still gonna miss. 266 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 5: So you might as well not even shoot it at all. 267 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 5: But uh, shoot only your bow. But uh no, I 268 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 5: I mean I guess. Yeah, I put about forty rounds 269 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 5: through it every year, So I mean every year. I'm 270 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 5: saying at least that couple of weeks before. But try 271 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 5: to do it on a consistent basis. It's the same 272 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 5: thing like with your fitness. If you do it on 273 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 5: a consistent basis, it's like reading your Bible. It's like 274 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 5: it's all the same thing. If you get into a 275 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: rhythm of doing it, you're gonna be better at doing it. 276 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: Also, don't do it from prone concrete. 277 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, please your positions, please. 278 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: Change it up. You're not going to have that shot 279 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 3: in the field. Always understand that if there's stage, you know, 280 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: sage in the area, you're always going to have that 281 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: awkward like foot to foot in the half that you 282 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: need to clear. Bipods are a really good option, you know, 283 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: mess with those. Understand that you're not going to take 284 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: a prone shot perfectly level. 285 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: Ever, Yeah, don't be the guy like week before. Yeah, man, 286 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: I ain't shot this rifle. I don't even know if 287 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 2: it's sighted. 288 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, last time I had it, I you know, 289 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 5: I traveled to I traveled across the country and kind 290 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 5: of drop it dropped? 291 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 4: Did I put in the truck bed. 292 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: On the side by side? 293 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, don't, don't, guy. I mean that's it's the same 294 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 5: thing with all of it, right, Like. 295 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: Uh, well, get to know your gear too, you know, 296 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: if it's a new rifle, if it's a new site, 297 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, are you gonna need the sun cover on 298 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: it or you're gonna need those types of things. I 299 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: feel like us a bow archery is way easier to 300 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: just walk out in the yard and hit something or 301 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: be shooting. I think I agree with that, and you know, 302 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: as archery, I always say that I I am an 303 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: equal opportunity hunter, but I prefer archery. That rifle at 304 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: times does take the back burner. I'm like, I'll get 305 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: to that when it gets to season. 306 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: I know when I like my past cow elk hunt, 307 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: like I was shooting my rifle very regularly, and man, 308 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: I was confident in that thing. Like I said, Okay, 309 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: if there's a cow under five hundred yards, I'm very 310 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: very confident. If it's you know, seven eight hundred, I'll 311 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 3: probably just try to get closer. But I just, I 312 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: don't know. I felt so much better with my system 313 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: and knowing you know, Murphy's law, like what can go 314 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: wrong will go wrong. It happened, but I still understood 315 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 3: that if push came to show I can take a 316 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: longer shot that I'm used to. 317 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: Also know where you site your rifle in versus the 318 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: altitude you will be hunting in. Did not take that 319 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: into account in Colorado this year, citing it in thousand 320 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: feet above sea level and then shooting at ten thousand feet. 321 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: There's a pretty big difference there. So once then what 322 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: you do you have to I think it's ten percent 323 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: you change your moa ten percent I think per thousand 324 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: feet of elevation. I used why I would look it 325 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: up maybe one percent per I think it might have 326 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: been one percent per because I think we ended up 327 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: adjusting at ten percent. I don't quote me on that. 328 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: There's calculators and all that type of stuff. 329 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I use the Applied Ballistics app right before a hunt, 330 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: and I just asked, you know, whoever's local looking up 331 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: at my garment, what's the glocal altitude? And I just 332 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: put it in my app and it it tracks it 333 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: accordingly and that helps. Yep. 334 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: Stupidly did not do that. 335 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: So uh yeah, that, I mean all that matters practicing, So. 336 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: Your weapon, make sure you know your weapon, whatever you're 337 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: gonna shoot, make sure you're practicing on that, what gear 338 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna wear, knowing the weather, the weather history, but 339 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: then also having kind of an outlier though the first 340 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: year we went, first year we went second for you, 341 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: for here, for me in Gunnison, it was seventy degrees 342 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: the first two days and then day three it or 343 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: day four whatever it was, it snowed twelve inches. Yeah, 344 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: at least in September, seventy degrees the first two days, 345 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: like full sweat, and then never got above twenty four 346 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: degrees something like that. 347 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: Before you guys got Yeah, Steve and I were hunting 348 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: in shorts. 349 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: It was that hot man. So make sure you do 350 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: some research on the weather, what kind of gear you're 351 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: gonna need from even. 352 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: That, I wasn't the forecast. 353 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: No, so you didn't know. No. 354 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's kind of like just be prepared to 355 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: be prepared. 356 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't. 357 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 4: It was a big one. 358 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: Oh, it was, Yeah, a. 359 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 4: Big one that we talked. 360 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: Look at the forecast, Yeah, look at the forecast. 361 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: You prepared, and then maybe prepare a little extra too. 362 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, wearing your boots or you. 363 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't Vivo's are are, Yeah, they're fine. 364 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 5: But your but you wear the shoes all the time 365 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 5: and they're very similar to it. If your boots are 366 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 5: very different from what you're used to wearing. 367 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: Boots can't get wet, So depending how you want to attack. 368 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 3: That, buy your boots sooner than the water resistant a waterproof, Yeah, 369 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: buy him sooner rather than later. Yeah, don't be that 370 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 3: guy that buys it a day before and barely has 371 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 3: the laces on and complains why your feet hurts so bad? 372 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 5: Because that, I mean, that will ruin, That will ruin 373 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 5: your week of hunting. Like if you're if you get 374 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 5: like your dogs, your dogs are barking. 375 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: Didn't your feet get all messed up the first one? 376 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: I don't think TJ. I think, yeah, that sounds right. 377 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: You might have been the second one that he get 378 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: all messed up on. 379 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 5: Uh yeah, just yeah, try to I mean, you got 380 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 5: to take care of your feet. Like that's like something 381 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 5: you hear from guys in the military a lot, Like 382 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 5: if you don't take care of your feet, you're like. 383 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, to boots, take care of your feet. Don't do 384 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 3: anything stupid to get yourself killed. 385 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 5: You gotta take care of your feet. Do you're on 386 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 5: them all day? There's no and like you're just not 387 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 5: going to be You're literally not gonna be as successful 388 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 5: as your feet start to. Like if you get blisters 389 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 5: and you don't want to walk as much, like it's 390 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 5: gonna be. Even if you don't think it's you think 391 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 5: you're tough enough to walk through it, You're probably it's 392 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 5: gonna deter you a little bit. 393 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 4: You're probably not gonna want to walk as much. 394 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: Learn all your gear, you know, make sure your rangefinder. 395 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: Rangefinder is one that can get a little hairy at times. 396 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 4: Where you're just bringing extra battery for bring. 397 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: An extra battery always, always, even if it's leases releases, 398 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: bringing I lost mine, I use a handheld one. 399 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 5: I always keep a wrist one because you can't, I mean, 400 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 5: I don't want to. No, but I've shot. I've shot 401 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 5: with both of them, though I've shot with both them 402 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: on the same on the on that bow. I'm just 403 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 5: saying if I have, like, if I lose one, I 404 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 5: don't get to lose too. It's gonna be it's gonna 405 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 5: be attached to me. 406 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if your anchor points are shoots the same. 407 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 4: I have shot them both with the same, with that bow. 408 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: I would not recommend that. 409 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: That's what thank you done? 410 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 4: All right? 411 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 5: Hey, then you guys just don't get the shoot you 412 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 5: got pulled out of your freaking fingers. 413 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: I just carry two of the same, the same lease. 414 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: Hey, I ain't got it. 415 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: Like it's gonna change, give me, it's gonna change how 416 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: it shoots. 417 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 4: I don't have it. Like, what do you mean change 418 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 4: how to shoot? 419 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: Because your anchor points are different. 420 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: But I've shot the releases. Why does it matter. I 421 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 4: know how to shoot both releases. 422 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: Okay, so you have a backup system for your this 423 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me. 424 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 3: All right, there's it's not the same. It's close, but 425 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 3: it's not the same. 426 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: No, it's not that. I never said it was. 427 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: So what's your effective range when you've switched to a 428 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: finger release. 429 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 5: I'm effective at all. I've used both, effective at all, 430 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 5: the same ranges. 431 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 4: I don't get it. What's the question, my anchor points. 432 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 4: I know where I need my I know where my 433 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 4: hand should be on my on my jawbone. 434 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: With my differently. 435 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 4: I know. 436 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 3: So therefore it's gonna change your zero. 437 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: It's fine. I mean, if we go through this whole 438 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: list where we just started the episode of how to 439 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: Be Ready and stuff, and then I lost this release. 440 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: But I'm going to change releases in the middle of hunting. However, 441 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: I'm ready. 442 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 4: I've practiced. I practiced with both releases. I practiced them both. 443 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, I will say I have the Carter three finger, 444 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: and then I lost it while we were going after 445 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: that Elk and Idaho, and all I had was a 446 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: Carter two finger, and that's what I had to shoot with. 447 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 3: But that's the same seer, the same hook, the same. 448 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 5: Hey, just you may want to rethink this because I'm 449 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 5: not going to I've done it. 450 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 4: I've done it. 451 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: Okay, guys, if you're listening to this, get two of them. 452 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 3: You would recommend getting two of the same release prior 453 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 3: to your hunt. However, if you need to, you can 454 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: use two different releases. If it means you cannot hunt anymore. 455 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: Just make sure on your bow you put what your 456 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: anchor points are when you use your thumb release, and 457 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: what anchor points are on your finger. 458 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 4: Practice how you play, boys practice, they play. 459 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: I don't get it. 460 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: Mark the zeros differently. 461 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: Brack say play please do not do that. 462 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 5: Have a twenty and then twenty have a twenty A 463 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 5: and a twenty B, thirty A and a thirty B, 464 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 5: forty A forty B. 465 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: Go ahead and change your access to while you're at it, 466 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: have a mark. 467 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 4: I think you guys are. 468 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: Different Green Era. 469 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: Some different things that we've had go wrong that you 470 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: need to be planned like that. You need to plan for. 471 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: I think losing your battery or battery dying on rangefinders 472 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: a big one that happens. 473 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 3: Here's a sleeper. Have a backup headlamp. Backup headlamps. Very 474 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: even if your buddy loses one, you could end one 475 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 3: to him. A backup, headlamp is underrated. 476 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: Food. 477 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, your big food guy, back up a little bit. 478 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: What if what if we walked six steps and birds 479 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: hammering a little? 480 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: How about this? If you're hunting, buddy, me packs nothing. 481 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, and eat your. 482 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: Food you want to. 483 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: You've never eaten your food. 484 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: Food. 485 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: I've taken water and left the full water in my 486 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: pack that way, if we needed more, I'm the one 487 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: carrying it. I've never borrowed food, not once. That's true. 488 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: I'll give you got something. I don't want to open 489 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: up a whole nother bar man. 490 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: Just give me. 491 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: You're drinking it. 492 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 4: This one. 493 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 5: Hey, this one's big. They're getting If things get wet, 494 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 5: how to dry them out? 495 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: Dude? 496 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 5: I I like to hey you, everyone can call me 497 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 5: what you want. My feet get really cold, especially when 498 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 5: it's just like when I'm deer hunting. 499 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 4: My feet gets so cold. This is a crazy system, 500 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 4: but it works. 501 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 5: I walk out there, either with no socks or with 502 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 5: just thin socks, and I will get to the bottom 503 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 5: of my tree stand, no matter how far the walk. 504 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 5: I'll give it a lot of my tree stand. When 505 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 5: I'm there, I take those socks off. I put on 506 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 5: fresh sock I let my air my feet air out, 507 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 5: and then I put on fresh socks and then I 508 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 5: go up. My feet never get cold when I do that, 509 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 5: Never ever interesting, So it's it's worth a try. I 510 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 5: I did that that morning in Illinois when I shot. 511 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: That happens on my. 512 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: I just bear it. 513 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, do it, stay hard. 514 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: I will say about It's good though, if you're thinking 515 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 2: through that, to also think through your camp because a 516 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: lot of times your camp will determine what you can 517 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: dry out and can't dry out, you know what I mean? Like, 518 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: you mean, if you're sleeping in a tent, is there 519 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 2: a place you can hang your stuff if you have 520 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: a like we had a huge tent the last time 521 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: we went to Idaho, wall tint and you were able 522 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: to hang your stuff up, you know. But if you're 523 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: if you have small, smaller quarters and stuff, you may 524 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: not be able to air dry some stuff as much 525 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: as possible. 526 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, If I'm truck hunting, I'll have multiple days 527 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no sorry space camping out of my truck, 528 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 3: I'll have I'll have multiple days of different you know, clothes. 529 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: But however, if i'm you know, camping out and staying 530 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 3: out it's slim pickens, and you really have to vet 531 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: out your gear prior to leaving because you need to 532 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 3: understand how quickly you know, if it's quick dry or 533 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: anything like that, Marina Wool, understanding how quickly you can 534 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 3: get them back there. 535 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 536 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: And then like for us too, if your truck hunting, 537 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: you drove there. It makes it easier the hunts. Most 538 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: of the hunts we've been on we flew there. 539 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: Sure. 540 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, so then that's a whole different thing, you know 541 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: what I mean to what you bring, what you can't bring, 542 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: and then and. 543 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: Then buy there. 544 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, house are you hiking to camp? So even if 545 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 2: you bring extra stuff on the plane, do you have 546 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: to hike all that stuff in? So all that stuff 547 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: is super important to think through how you're gonna get there. 548 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: Logistics, Yeah, think about logistics where you're going, what you're doing, 549 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: Oh you're getting there? If you have friends that can 550 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: meet you or meeting you there, if they can you 551 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: can ship stuff there. There's all kinds of things which 552 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: we learned because the first year we went to Idaho, 553 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: we slept on those mats am I good try to 554 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: get some of those. 555 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: But this last year we just we got cots off. 556 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: Amazon shipped it to them so we could sleep on 557 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: and then just left them there. 558 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 3: Not a bad move. 559 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: They were cheap. 560 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, they would better in the ground. 561 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I am which. Yeah, that's something similar to that. 562 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: Some people hate them sleeping on a cot. It's fine. 563 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: I would rather sup on the ground that a cat. 564 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 5: Oh really, Now there's there for the twenty four hour 565 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 5: race and my buddy brought his cot. 566 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 4: It was nice. 567 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm fine with those sleeping pads we have from the 568 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: sleeping pad on the ground, sleeping pad on a cot, 569 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: I'll take the ground. 570 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: But a blow the blow up, Oh got you a 571 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: little bit more straight? 572 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we flew so we had to pack them 573 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: on the plane. 574 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just I'm putting that thing on the ground. 575 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: Dog in the studio yep. Yeah. New Gear is going 576 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: to be limited on inventory. Closer you get to season, 577 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: people are gonna be buying it, so buy it now. 578 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. That's definitely like coming from the brand side, there's 579 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: nothing more like frustrating than like three four days before 580 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 3: opening day, when you get this line of customers being 581 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 3: like why don't you have this? It's just like, sir, 582 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 3: how long have you known about this? Archery hunt and 583 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: you're waiting three days to get you know, a tent 584 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: that you're going to sleep in. Like, come on, man, 585 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 3: don't be that guy. Understand your hunts early and get 586 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: the stuff while you can early, because I promise you, 587 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: if you're getting closer to September, trying to get dehydrated, 588 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 3: meals a tent, a shelter, and the headlamps, whatever it 589 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: may be. 590 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 5: And it gets expensive too, totally if you stockpile, like 591 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 5: you get a few things throughout the year, like every 592 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 5: every couple of weeks or every month or so, you 593 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 5: kind of slowly build that stuff. And of course there 594 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 5: are some big items you have to have that are expensive. 595 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 5: But instead of like you're saying, those little things you 596 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 5: know you're gonna have to have, just start building that 597 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 5: up sooner rather than later. 598 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 3: Also, want to go ahead, Nope, on a different note, 599 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: like I've been here so many times where it's like 600 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 3: a couple of days before you're about to leave and 601 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 3: you cannot find that one thing and it's driving you 602 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: absolutely bananas. Don't be like me. Find it early, put it, 603 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: stash it, and save for a top drawer. 604 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 4: Tags especially ye yeah, tags, yeah yeah. 605 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: Make sure that you have them when you get there. 606 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 3: Oh dude, one year I could not find my tags anywhere, 607 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: and I was like asking my wife, where'd you put them? 608 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 3: Where'd you put them? 609 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: Fioaming will reprint for five dollars. I think Colorado will 610 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: re print for twenty something like something like that. You 611 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: can reprint. 612 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: Don't be like me. 613 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: Check your gear now. Yeah, like close all of that 614 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: stuff because out here we store some of our stuff 615 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: in the barn and we've had some mice to get 616 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: into some stuff and they chew through. So close those 617 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: types of things. Just make sure they're all good now 618 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: because you know when it gets closer, stuff's gonna be 619 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: sold out. 620 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and just yeah, that happens. 621 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 5: Certain sizes get sold out, like stuff that you need, 622 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 5: Like yeah, make a plan, like get it, take a 623 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 5: look at take a look at your camera what you 624 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 5: think you're gonna bring. Obviously you can't really look at 625 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 5: the weather, it's that far out, but you can kind 626 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 5: of look back at previous years or if you've been 627 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 5: to the same spot, you have an idea. 628 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: Sometimes like the weights, or you know, once you get 629 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: something like oh I want it something a little lighter 630 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: than this, so then at least you know before it's 631 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: too late. 632 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and then I mean, I think I 633 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 4: have been here. 634 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 5: I don't know about you guys, but like i'll get 635 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 5: to I'll get a piece of cameo or whatever that 636 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna wear a lot, and then I 637 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 5: just don't have an application for it. Like it's just 638 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 5: like the wrong weight or it's too thin, too too heavy, 639 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 5: and I end up wearing just something that's like kind 640 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 5: of in the middle or whatever. So like there's a 641 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 5: troun error. Like then pack less if you don't really 642 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 5: need those things, you can you can pack less if 643 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 5: you know you're really I like this piece, but I 644 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 5: don't wear it enough. 645 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: Layers, Yeah, definitely layers. 646 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: We'll go in depth on layering systems on a different podcast. 647 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: Be Bold, Go Cold, Start start cold, old, start cold. 648 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: My philosophy is always like, if you're getting wet, how 649 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 3: do you get dry? If you're getting dirty, how do 650 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: you get clean? You know, if you're cold, how do 651 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: you get warm? And have a plan for everything, because 652 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 3: there's a good chance that you're gonna cross every single 653 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: one of those barriers in some form of any hunt. 654 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 3: You're gonna get hot you're gonna get cold, you're gonna 655 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: get wet, you're gonna get sweaty, especially sweat, like sweat 656 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: is a big thing to manage. So especially always check 657 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: every single one of those boxes, no matter what the hunt, 658 00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: what else? 659 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: What? 660 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 3: What is the. 661 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 4: Getting dirty and cleaning them? Is that just about equipment? 662 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 5: Because of the equipment, most people just like I'm gonna 663 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 5: be gonna be dirty. 664 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: No, No, I'm more saying, like the tip of your rifle 665 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: you stick out of mud or dirt. 666 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: Right, or your your second release that doesn't match your 667 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 2: first release. 668 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 4: You try to crazy You guys are so hung up, 669 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 4: but that's crazy. 670 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: Or like you know, if it's snowing all day and 671 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: winds getting into your scope lens and it's. 672 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 5: Just oh yeah, that that for sure matters like that, 673 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 5: or when like I've had a deer in the scope 674 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 5: and I'll in my rifle scope and I'll be breathing 675 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 5: and it will literally be fogging up because it's just 676 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 5: been when I'm hyper ventilating it's so cold out, So 677 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 5: I forget what the reason is. Anyways, there's stuff you 678 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 5: put on it that keeps from doing that. I don't 679 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 5: have those nice, expensive, fancy scopes you fellas have so 680 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 5: mind fog up. I don't have that anti fog Hey, 681 00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 5: look I got it. 682 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 3: Want to grab my different finger? 683 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: Uh you mean like some anti fog rain axt. 684 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 4: You just no, No, some glass doesn't fog up, like 685 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 4: barely at all. 686 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: Or you just get the pop up lens that you 687 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: just have it and you pop it up. It's like 688 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 3: four dollars. 689 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're hyperventiling. 690 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: Whatever you can to throw shots. 691 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 3: Man's I'm not throwing shots. 692 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 4: I just don't have like you guys. 693 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: Give me a break. 694 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: You get stuff for free. 695 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 4: We're all very What are you paid for my second 696 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 4: release that I have to you? 697 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: Oh? 698 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 4: There you go, second release, not the backup release, my 699 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 4: backup release. 700 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: Which I need to buy another one for this hunt. Well, 701 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: actually need have d Lane go through my other one. 702 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: Nutrition that's huge. 703 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: Mountain. 704 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: I knew that they had heard the rumblings and rumors. 705 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: Are they out? 706 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have something at the GYMP try them out. 707 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 4: So that's that's a big one to me. 708 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 2: Honestly, the field they seem it's just like in a 709 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: it's like in that hydrate bag. So it's packwise. It 710 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: looks pretty easy. 711 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: Dehydrated meals all come in that same pack where you. 712 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: Just put are bigger than others. 713 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: I feel like, sure, is it? 714 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: Does it have a So there's different ones that have 715 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: the like heating unit in them. 716 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 4: You have too, Yeah, probably is healthier for you. Honestly, 717 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 4: I don't know what the chemical react. 718 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't. I thought the same the chemical The thing 719 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: is in a separate palace boils extra when Billings got them. 720 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I can't be so. Nutrition is huge. 721 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: Making sure you know how many calories you're gonna need, 722 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: what kind of calories you're gonna need, that's a big anybody. 723 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 5: Registic food you're gonna bring at least try it once. Yeah, 724 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 5: at least try it once. 725 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: While also exercising. 726 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, or whatever flavors too. 727 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, don't just like order and be like, oh, this 728 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 5: would be good and then you take it out there 729 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 5: and terrible one. 730 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 4: It's terrible. 731 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: Two. 732 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 5: You're like, man, that would be so bad you're crapping 733 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 5: like every three hours or worse. 734 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm a big proponent of like understanding what creature 735 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 3: comforts you can have in the back country because things 736 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 3: are going You're not gonna be sleeping, You're gonna be tired. 737 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 3: You're in a deficit calorie wise every single day. You 738 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 3: need that that nice comfort food that's going to fill 739 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 3: you back up. 740 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 5: I think of it as like, what can give you 741 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 5: that feeling of normalcyeah, Like what makes you feel like 742 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 5: somewhat normal when you have had an awful day hiking 743 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 5: around seeing nothing, or you miss or you miss an animal? 744 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 4: What do you do? Like how do you get back? 745 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 4: Like what do you want to do? Do you want to 746 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 4: eat like a cold cracker like and J? 747 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, P B and J will bring you back twenty 748 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: four hour old PB and J. That's like seeped through 749 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: the bread. 750 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 3: Go double peanut butter on both sides of what. 751 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: I want, I want it soggy, that's crazy of it. 752 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: That's what I look forward to at the end of 753 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: the day, Honestly. Vehicle care, Yeah, if you're driving out there, 754 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: or if you're renting a car and just bushwacking it, 755 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: get the full coverage. 756 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're the rental car is tough because you 757 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: can't fly. 758 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Scott right, you made Scot drive right? 759 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: No bird, No. 760 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,959 Speaker 3: You got a flat tire? 761 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: No. 762 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: No. 763 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: Honestly, the first time we went it was hey, we're 764 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna get bikes. We're gonna ride bike because 765 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: there's logging roads everywhere. Turns out we didn't use the 766 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 2: bikes we ve. We drove cars everywhere. Some of the 767 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 2: roads were a bit overgrown. Yep, we just went straight there. 768 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, why rent the cards the truck. 769 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 2: But still we got the insurance for it for sure. 770 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: But you have to just be prepared for the things 771 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 2: you don't think about. 772 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 773 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: Well, even when me and Scott went out and hunted 774 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: with Clay h we didn't really know we needed a vehicle, 775 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: and luckily we took the canyon and not f two 776 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: fifty because we were on some just older roads, which 777 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: was great. So just know what you're on, how you're 778 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: going to be getting around. 779 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 3: I know the roads system. Similar like Gunnison when you 780 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 3: guys brought that that poll behind trailer and freaking Nelson 781 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 3: was having a heart attackers, how we're supposed to get 782 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 3: this thing out in this snow. Obviously it all turned 783 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 3: out okay, But yeah, I understand like you don't want 784 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 3: to go into a crazy two track with your trailer 785 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 3: and understand like, oh crap, I can't turn this thing around. 786 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 3: We have to back up a couple of miles to 787 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 3: get this thing out. 788 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 2: For sure, how are you gonna get water? 789 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: Water? 790 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: Water is huge, Yeah, so even I mean if somebody's 791 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: not driving, like, what are you going to do? You know, 792 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 2: maybe if you're hunting with somebody, one person needs to drive, 793 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 2: you know, it's that's a tough one totally. 794 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I just know your area. Obviously a 795 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 3: lot of the time you'll be able to bring water 796 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 3: in at your base camp or at your truck camp, 797 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 3: things like that. 798 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: More than you need. You always think, I remember multiple 799 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: times you've been like, ah, that's enough water. It's not 800 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: enough water. 801 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 3: But if you are going out water purification, you know systems, 802 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 3: you can always boil your water things like that. But 803 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 3: understand how you're going to hydrate accordingly, and don't think 804 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 3: that you can just wing it, because dehydration in the 805 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 3: back country absolutely sucks. 806 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 4: Yeah you can. 807 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 5: And you can easily put a gallon down quick yeah day, 808 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:25,959 Speaker 5: like you can easily. 809 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, pace yourself out as well, Like if you drink 810 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 3: a whole gallon in the first ten minutes, that's I mean, 811 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 3: that's what you got for the whole day. Electrolytes obviously 812 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 3: mountain oops, it's a good, good one for that. I 813 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 3: always like to do a water and an electro light 814 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 3: of some sort for sure. 815 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, caffeine, we do pre work out espally. We do caffeine. 816 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: We do yetymote. Yeah, all day long. Seriously, you just 817 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: sip on it all day long. Get a little itch, 818 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: burn it down, a little itch burn it down. 819 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: In theory keeps you going. 820 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. 821 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 3: Have your them to get rehydrated as well. 822 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Graham with caffein will get you there. 823 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Adrenaline is a powerful thing. 824 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,439 Speaker 4: Mix the water in once in a while. It's about it. Yeah, 825 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 4: all right, anything, we got through it. 826 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 3: Don't procrastinate, don't. 827 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: Get on it now. 828 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 2: Hey, you know what's a good thing to not procrastinate with. 829 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 2: You can go to hunt camp. 830 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 831 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 4: Hunt camp Yeah, Hunt Camp sign up now. 832 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: More spots not many filling up pretty quick. 833 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. 834 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: The start your fitness journey. 835 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's literally the I mean, you should 836 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 5: hopefully be working out before then, but if you are not, 837 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 5: that is the beginning, the beginning of June, and that 838 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 5: would be the absolute last time I would say that 839 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 5: you could start and still be okay. Probably should have 840 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 5: started now. Or earlier last year started. Hey, the best 841 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 5: time playing the trees now twenty years ago. Second best 842 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 5: time is right now. 843 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 2: That's good. 844 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: That's deep some trees like apple trees out here. 845 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: It would be good for if at east, like somebody 846 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 2: from the east going out west hunting. Yeah, we have 847 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 2: a lot I've never been. You could get a pack 848 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: on if you know what it's like going up hills 849 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 2: and stuff, so you're not just in total shock first time. 850 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 3: Ye, it's the close thing you can get to the 851 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 3: real thing. 852 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'sout actually hunting an animal. 853 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 2: So it would be benefit. 854 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 5: I have talked to people who are who that's basically 855 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 5: them to a teeth and there's actually somebody who's like, hey, 856 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 5: I've never been hunting. It would be something I could 857 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 5: go to them like this actually be perfect. You're going 858 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 5: to get a pretty much a crash course and just 859 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 5: about everything you want to learn to apply to hunting. 860 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 5: You won't be an expert you're coming out of it, 861 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 5: but you for sure, I mean you'll have a lot 862 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 5: of stuff to set you up in the right direction. 863 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 5: Then you will have a lot of information from like us, 864 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 5: And I've conveyed this to people that we aren't experts, 865 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 5: but we can't. So we can talk to a level 866 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 5: with somebody who's never hunted, then somebody who is a 867 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 5: good hunter. You'll be really of all levels, you will 868 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,720 Speaker 5: get something out of it. At the very least, Hey, 869 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 5: you're gonna get a elaite bow set up and arrows 870 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 5: for the season. 871 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 3: Especially on the fitness side. I mean like if you 872 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 3: kill a four hundred inch elk every single year, like 873 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 3: you can learn something from Mayhem hunt on the fitness 874 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 3: side more one hundred percent. Yeah, no one has gone 875 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 3: through a pack out and been like, oh, that was 876 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 3: way too easy now. One also, I think another really 877 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 3: really like low hanging fruit for all of the people 878 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 3: that are going to attend this is you have the 879 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 3: ability to ask real time questions to these people and 880 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 3: these instructors. There's been so many times where I'm listening 881 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 3: to a podcast or listening to you know, whatever the 882 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 3: topic is, and I don't have access to them to 883 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 3: ask a follow up question, and it drives me absolutely insane. 884 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 3: Where they like answer fifty percent of your question, but 885 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 3: there's another fifty percent that you really want to hone 886 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 3: in on. Because they're live there and in person, you 887 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 3: can follow up be like, hey, well what about this scenario. Yeah, 888 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 3: two years ago I was in this situation. What would 889 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 3: you have done in that regard? You can't do that 890 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 3: unless you're in person with that instructor. 891 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 2: Even just to gain elevation changes, you know, like day one, 892 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 2: day two, sure to help you plan. 893 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 5: Hey, the first time I went out there, like it 894 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 5: was like my body didn't like it. Like it was 895 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 5: interesting the way that my body reacted to the elevation. 896 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 3: So I have an Angelou quote that I still laugh 897 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 3: at to the study. Actually we won't say it on 898 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 3: the podcast. 899 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 4: I don't even know what it is. 900 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll tell a quick story. So we're hiking out. 901 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 3: I sent you guys into the freaking woodworks because what 902 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 3: do they say, Oh, you can't find them near roads, 903 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 3: go to the furthest point, Like, okay, let's find them 904 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 3: near roads or exactly. So I sent you an LP 905 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 3: into the trenches with me, and we're hiking up. I 906 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 3: don't know how to make this PG where this is going. 907 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 3: And we're hiking out and even though it was a 908 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 3: rough day, I was still stoked and like we just 909 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 3: got to see some fresh stuff. And I was like Angela, 910 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 3: I was curious Angela like this literally, this is what 911 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 3: I live for, Like I love this stuff. And then 912 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 3: you said, I don't know. 913 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,439 Speaker 5: How was in a dark place because we all day 914 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 5: these fools are like, dude, they were elk here yesterday. 915 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 4: We are going to see something. I promise you they 916 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 4: were right. Dods and Luke Gods and Luke will be sold. 917 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 4: And I also my soul was crushed. 918 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 3: I didn't promise anything first of all, but Luke. 919 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 4: Was so adamant. 920 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: And at this point, Luke's elk hunting experience was he 921 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: went on a hike in Estes Park and there's elk everyone. 922 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 3: In day one and a half. He thinks he's Remy 923 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 3: Warren giving me advice. Anyway, we're hiking back up and 924 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 3: it's you know, towards the end of the day after 925 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 3: shooting light, I'm just like, gosh, this is epic. And 926 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 3: Angelo says some choice words to me that along the 927 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 3: lines of what gosh you you wanted to stick something up, something. 928 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: That sounds like Angela, And I was like, like, oh, 929 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: that was Angela before he found Jesus. 930 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 4: That sounds I gotta I gotta have you tell me 931 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 4: that off here because I want to. 932 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 3: If you don't want another full story, come to the camp. 933 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 4: I'll tell you I'll tell the full story then all right. 934 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 3: And if you're getting another release, just get the second, 935 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,479 Speaker 3: same one. 936 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: M