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Speaker 1: Duel More Ways to Win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Monday Morning Podcast. Great guest Michael Irvan, the three

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Speaker 1: times Super Bowl champ, five time Pro bowler, Jimmy Johnson's

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Speaker 1: favorite wide receiver ever, joined us in about three minutes.

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Speaker 1: My favorite sports moment of the weekend. Dodgers pondres. It's

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Speaker 1: a young rivalry, but a good rivalry. Trevor Bauer comes over,

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Speaker 1: Dodgers sign him. Say, young winner. He rubbed some people

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Speaker 1: the wrong way and during spring training he was closing

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Speaker 1: his eyes when he was getting some guys out. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with it. You know, I

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Speaker 1: grew up with Pete Rose, Rickey Henderson, Mickey Rivers, Al Roboski,

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Speaker 1: Mark Fedrich. There's room for personalities in baseball. I got

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Speaker 1: no problem with it. And baseball has gotten increasingly rigid

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Speaker 1: over the last twenty years. Nobody can have a personality.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can look and stare at a home run. I

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Speaker 1: grew up with Reggie Jackson. He stared at doubles, he

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Speaker 1: stared at every hit. So Bauer, known for closing his

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Speaker 1: eyes after vanquishing a batter, gives up a home run

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Speaker 1: to the uber talented Fernando Tatis of the Padres, and

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Speaker 1: Tatise taunts Trevor Bauer back, closing one eye as he

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Speaker 1: circles the bases, and Trevor Bauer and this is incredibly admirable,

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Speaker 1: especially in twenty twenty one. After the game, says, I

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Speaker 1: got no problem with it. I totally support those who

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Speaker 1: think baseball should move in this direction. Listen, Trevor Bauer's

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Speaker 1: got a personality that's okay. If you go back and

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Speaker 1: look at the greats and baseball most have had it.

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Speaker 1: Something happened about twenty years ago, and some have theorized

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Speaker 1: it was steroids. Is that hitters were so dominating pictures

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Speaker 1: that their only defense was throwing it batters, and their

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Speaker 1: takeaway was, you guys are on the juice. You may

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Speaker 1: hit Bomb's office, but don't show us up. Whatever the

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Speaker 1: cause or the causation of the rigidity. I am for personality,

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Speaker 1: and Fernando Tatis is great for the sport. And though

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Speaker 1: many would deny this, so as Trevor Bauer and I

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Speaker 1: loved his reaction to the moment. Let's bring on Michael Irvin,

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Speaker 1: one of the great characters, speak of personalities in the

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Speaker 1: history of the NFL, and certainly the biggest personality of

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys dynasty with Jimmy Johnson. He played with them, obviously,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy was his coach in Miami and then later became

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Speaker 1: his coach with the Dallas Cowboys. And Michael Irvan joins us.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's funny, Mike when I go the

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Speaker 1: last dynasty before New England was your Dallas dynasty and

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Speaker 1: it was built through the draft. You go, and then

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Speaker 1: Aikman follows you, and then it's Emmett and its first

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Speaker 1: round picks. Michael, shit, everybody now that GM's just giveaway

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Speaker 1: first round picks. It feels like the Patriots went all

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Speaker 1: free agency. When you look at it, do you think

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Speaker 1: there's a reason for it? Or I mean the Rams

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Speaker 1: give away first round picks. I mean, do you have

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Speaker 1: a reason for it. There's some calling and I find

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Speaker 1: very interesting here because what we've done now is mee

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position. It was always important, it was always important.

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Speaker 1: Once we put that wade scale on the rookies, on

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Speaker 1: the water because now we take more chances on quarterbacks. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we canna take chance on this. God, we're only going

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Speaker 1: to lose this much. So what if it costs us

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Speaker 1: another first rounder down the line, It's worth the risk

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Speaker 1: if he's out quarterback to find him. And that's what

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Speaker 1: you're seeing. That's what you're seeing. It's amazing how the

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Speaker 1: game is changing. And I'm gonna tell you something this.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's barking about that Doc Pass Prescott contract. In two years,

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff and the big gambling deals. How

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Speaker 1: not at all. Called it because they couldn't live in

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Speaker 1: Every man has vowed, even if it's silently, that I

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Speaker 1: I don't think it'll ever get to that place that

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Speaker 1: now and get open. The quarterbacks not even watching them.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's not even watching. He's reading down films,

427
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Speaker 1: reading down field. In the last second book they come over,

428
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Speaker 1: there's four or five yards. That stuff is very important

429
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: because now I know, you don't need to be the

430
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: fastest dude in the world to still have success if

431
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Speaker 1: you understand when it be open and not just how

432
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: to get open. Listen, we're much less patient with quarterbacks

433
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: out of college today, and some of that's fair because

434
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: these guys now have a thousand throws by the time

435
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: they're in seventh grade, ten thousand throws by ninth so

436
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: we should be a little less patient. But it's interesting

437
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: we give quarterbacks about Daniel Jones in New York. We're

438
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: gonna give him until about Thanksgiving and then Dave Gentleman's

439
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: gonna know if he's got the right guy. Jason Garrett's

440
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: gonna know. But it's interesting, how long did it take you?

441
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Speaker 1: How many throws forget games that you knew? Troy Aikman

442
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Speaker 1: was it? When is a really great receiver know? Oh shit,

443
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: this dude can this. This guy's got it, leadership, toughness,

444
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: armed routes, accuracy, you know. Full as funny is we

445
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: played Troy when he was in Oklahoma and when I

446
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: was at Miami, We're going We went to my Ai.

447
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: We went to Oklahoma oklam and never lost a season

448
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: opener ever in the history of the Sooner shoon. And

449
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: we played in history of the Sooners and Troy was

450
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: their quarterback. And you know, we come in and Troy

451
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: was lighting us up. Oh my god. And I had

452
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: already told Coach Johnson going in because he had too much,

453
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Speaker 1: he had some hard times with Oklahoma when he's at

454
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. And I said, Coach sweat he not today, Sweaty,

455
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: not today. You're going in there with a different stick

456
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: this time, you know. And he said, okay, Okay, okay.

457
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: And we got out there and we got this lord

458
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,239
Speaker 1: hare dude. He was killing us. He was killing us.

459
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: Who We're like, we gotta get to him. We gotta

460
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: get to him. A couple of days later, they broke

461
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: Troy's leg. Jerome Brown got right to him and broke

462
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: his leg. He leaves the game. The onslought goals. So

463
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: Jimmy had already tried to recruit Troy. We knew about Troy.

464
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Speaker 1: I knew I had thirteen games of losing my rookie year,

465
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Speaker 1: thirteen games. We lost out those sixteen and all I

466
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: kept saying, man, we just got to get a quarterback.

467
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Speaker 1: Because I went from Kevin Sweeney to Paul McDonald. You know,

468
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: these are the guys that I have said, oh my god,

469
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Speaker 1: we just got to give us a quarterback. That next

470
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Speaker 1: year we drafted Troy. I was like, that's it. I

471
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Speaker 1: knew Troy from college. I said, we got him. We

472
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: got We lost fifteen games that year with Troy. You

473
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. We lost the way game that

474
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Speaker 1: we did win, it was it was the backup quarterback

475
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Speaker 1: going it. So Troy didn't even win. But you knew,

476
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Speaker 1: you knew he was different. Not just the way he

477
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: threw the ball. Troy was two away beyond his years.

478
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Speaker 1: From day one, you knew, You just knew he was

479
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Speaker 1: a different guy. And I knew once we got that

480
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Speaker 1: going that that that that it would be it would

481
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Speaker 1: be something special. Listen, Jimmy Pete Carroll have gone college

482
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Speaker 1: to the pros um but Jimmy and Pete Carroll always

483
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: wanted to coach in the NFL. Jimmy would go to

484
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Speaker 1: the Jimmy told me he always had his eye in

485
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: the NFL and Pete Carroll was in the NFL before college.

486
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: Urban Myers never had any interest in the NFL, and

487
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: now he's in the NFL. That's different. Tom Coughlin did

488
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: some position coaching, then he went to college, then he

489
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: went back to the NFL. Most of these guys that

490
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: have gone college of the pros either had their eye

491
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: on the pros or had been briefly in the pros.

492
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Speaker 1: Not for Urban. If you could give Urban one piece

493
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Speaker 1: of advice and say, Okay, you've never been on this side, Urban,

494
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: this is what you shouldn't do or this is what

495
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: you should do to make it work. Because we know

496
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: he's smart, like Jimmy's a super smart guy. Yeah, but

497
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: you know what, you can be smart and not understand

498
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: the temperature of the room. What advice would you give

499
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer and Jacksonville. It's a great question because you know,

500
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: I've had that conversation with Eric and Mike. We've had

501
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: this conversation. I've had him on my podcast. We talked

502
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: about it, you know, because I talked to him about

503
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen this story before college coach comes

504
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: in for the first time college coach draft if number

505
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: one pick quarterback I saw this. I saw this exact

506
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: story in Dallas. I saw it, you know, because I

507
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: got drafted the year before. And then Jimmy came in

508
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: and Troy Aitman was the first pick, and we talked

509
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: about and I said, coach, what are you doing to

510
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: change the culture, to change the mentality? You know, because

511
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: that's what you have to do. Jacksonville has been losing

512
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: a long time, and a lot of those guys that

513
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: just want the lifestyle and don't want to make it

514
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: their life. You know what I'm saying. A lot of

515
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: those guys went there. They are friends guys. There's some

516
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: guys that are friends guys, guys that will commit to

517
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: it if they're in the right place. I have the

518
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: right person pushing them. And then guys that were sweek

519
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: on by if they're not in the right place. Every

520
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: time Jacksonville get those people, they fall to the wrong

521
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: side because they have hope. They're they're a little hopeless

522
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. And I always say, this is called hope

523
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: will dictate effort. You give me a lot of hope,

524
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you a lot of effort. If I got

525
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: no hope, you ain't gonna get great effort. It's just

526
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: the reality. It's just the reality. Hope will dictate effort. So,

527
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: as Irban, how are you giving these guys hope? And

528
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: he's talked about he talked to me about building a system,

529
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: building away and then he has to find his nucleus

530
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: if it's if it's traveler Lawrence, you have to find

531
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: your nucleus. You have to build around that, and then

532
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: your nucleus have to be smart enough to make sure

533
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: that in the locker room the message gets spread. This

534
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: is how we do things. If you're not going to

535
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: do it this way, you can't be here. We can

536
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: be friends, we just can't be teammates. You gotta get

537
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: your hands out of here. That's just the way it is,

538
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: Troy to our Frances. Try's a good guy. Troy. I

539
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: saw Troy getting on a receiver in practice one day.

540
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. We're running aroute. Receiver runs aroute.

541
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: He's backside, he's lips, he falls and stage on the ground.

542
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Troy goes, he goes to his ring, come back and

543
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: the guy's on the ground, plays dead, went off, what

544
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What? You can't do that? That's

545
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: not how we prac I'll never forget that. That's what

546
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: he said. That's not how we practice. That's not how

547
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: we play around here. You fall, you get your ass

548
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: back up and get back into play. That's it. That's it, everybody.

549
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: Once you find that nucleus, it's up to that nucleas,

550
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: it's up to the troys. Them is Samartha, Charles Hayle's

551
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: the Dion Sanders the mic orm and makes Shire every

552
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: feet back to that drum. We do things a certain

553
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: way around here. That's what you've seen in New England

554
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: for a lot, a lot of years. That's why he

555
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: bring bracts a certain group of guys to make sure

556
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: they spread the message that everything is done this way.

557
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: And Urban has to find his nucleus and didn't get

558
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: that message spreading. Yeah, it's interesting. Brady goes to Tampa.

559
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: He spread sort of his gospel. He brings Gronk who

560
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: can spread the gospel. Bruce arians had had his own

561
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: gospel because he had had success. So now you have

562
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: a coach, a quarterback, a star, and now you got

563
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who were buying into I mean,

564
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: they had results, so now the guys all buy into it.

565
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: Do you are you concerned? It all your life. Michael

566
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: had so much success. You know, people talk about Super

567
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: Bowl hangovers and good god, you were so big and

568
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: your dynasty was like the Lakers, Shack and Kobe. It

569
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: was only the best team. It was the most fascinating.

570
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: Do you do you do you worry a little bit?

571
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Do you worry a little bit of Tampa coming in

572
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys have never won. Now they

573
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: win big. You know, you just sleep in, you take

574
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: the workout off in July. Do you worry a little

575
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: bit about that? You know what's funny about that is this?

576
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: And I've thought about that garden because because there Pete

577
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: is something different. I love what those guys are doing

578
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: because all those guys obviously they want they want to

579
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: come back together and play again together. They want to

580
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: try it again and try it again. And let's not

581
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: forget what they did last year was incredible. That was

582
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: an incredible gathering to get hot, many people coming in

583
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: together and going on and producing what they produced. That

584
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: was incredible gathering. But this is what I think is

585
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: funny about it. The same damn thing that Tom Brady

586
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: said he was tired of Belichick doing is exactly what

587
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, it's about to do to the rest of

588
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: the team. Seeing he's got to press them and pressed

589
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: them to keep them so focused on what's ad hand.

590
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson another things you always tell us success, there's

591
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: a there's a natural tendency depict yourself on the back.

592
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: Great job, great job. Let's not break our arms patting

593
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: ourselves on the back, great job, because when you do that,

594
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: there's a natural tendency just start slacking up. So so

595
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: his job was to keep depressure on, to keep depressure on.

596
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Never good enough we win a game big, you know

597
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's never good enough. He points out

598
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: all the mistakes. You know, if we played, Grady points

599
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: at all the mistakes. So so he always kept that

600
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: pressure on. And that's what Tom Brady will have to

601
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: do now. And I just thought that was funny because

602
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: that's that's the exact same thing Tom Brady said. He

603
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: was tired off from Belichick. Now you are about to

604
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: be belidhack to the rest of that squad because they

605
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: have no understanding what it takes to repeat and he does.

606
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's got a phone now. Used to be

607
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: you could have a little fun in Dallas, and I

608
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: didn't find out about it. You ever think to yourself,

609
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: you and Joe Namath, you guys are lucky you played

610
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: when you did without the phone. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

611
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, all the time I did, even a sport.

612
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: I was talking to him and he had me about

613
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: that COMMI say, how do you think you could have

614
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: survived the social media? So I could. I didn't survive

615
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: in the news that eleven era. What are you talking about?

616
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: You know I couldn't make it. So so if I

617
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: couldn't survived in the news at eleven era, you knew

618
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: I won't make it in the social media every second era,

619
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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. I would have had all

620
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: kinds of problems with people trying to take because you're

621
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: right now, no matter where you go, those cameras come

622
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: on boo boom. You know, even when I'm whoever you are,

623
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: you gotta monitor either where you go. There's not even

624
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: thing to do, anything legal or anything. You just don't want,

625
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, people you have the camera, whatever you're doing,

626
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: you have to monitor it. So so yes, it's definitely

627
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: a different time into that degree. Also college that takes

628
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: away some of the hunger because you didn't get any

629
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: pub until you want. Now everybody gets pub and you

630
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: get a million followers, you already think you're famous instead

631
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: of going to winch championships to get famous. You see

632
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So in some sense that has helped

633
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: diminish the hunger that we're talking about, some that we

634
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: don't see some of on the football field. Still, finally,

635
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: you are a people person and you get to go

636
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: to a draft and there's Michael Irvan Gounna be people.

637
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: You have to be so excited about that. I am

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Speaker 1: so excited about it. I tweeted about that yesterday watching

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Speaker 1: watching the UFC fight. I was like, my god, I'm

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Speaker 1: watching the UFC fight with a full of real, a

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Speaker 1: full of radar, and I'm going to the draft. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have some people back at this draft. I sent

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Speaker 1: out the memories of the two thousand nineteen draft, like

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Speaker 1: memories and moments of yesterday, can we please have them

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Speaker 1: again this day? You know, it was just it's such

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Speaker 1: a great thing. I was there in Tennessee. We had

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Speaker 1: a half a million people right onto that stadium watching

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Speaker 1: these thirty two lottery winners, you know, winners and in

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Speaker 1: a sense that they are all going to be thirty,

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Speaker 1: get drafted to become millionaires right now. This day they

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Speaker 1: certainly earned this day. They didn't just scratch some numbers on.

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Speaker 1: They put the work hid to get there. But it's

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Speaker 1: just such a great moment. And I love it when

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Speaker 1: we're all together, you know, and and having and having

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Speaker 1: those moments, everybody laughing. It's running into people out at dinner.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's great because we get numbers in exchange.

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Speaker 1: We get to meet young guys and offer assistance and advice,

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Speaker 1: and if they need us, we're here for him. So

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Speaker 1: I am absolutely looking forward to getting back to that normality. Michael.

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Speaker 1: I love you. I love having you on. I got

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Speaker 1: to talk to you once or twice a year. You're

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Speaker 1: just so much fun. You're so smart, You're a great personality.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I got a new little company here,

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Speaker 1: the volume. We're just a little company. We're just starting

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Speaker 1: out to get you means a lot to me and

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Speaker 1: a lot to us. And thanks so much, man, cal

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Speaker 1: You know, I love you, Man, I love I love

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Speaker 1: I love your work. You know you make me think

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Speaker 1: I told you before. Yeah, I've never heard of man

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Speaker 1: that has a great discussion with himself as great as you.

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Speaker 1: You know, you go both sides on this thing, man,

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Speaker 1: and all you're doing is cracking craniums, that fertilizing brain.

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Speaker 1: You open up the brain, you put a thought out there,

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Speaker 1: and I like that because I like trying to see

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Speaker 1: other perspectives and not narrow gates. And you give other

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Speaker 1: prospectives and not just the narrow gates. So I appreciate that, buddy.

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Speaker 1: All Right, buddy, thanks for coming on absolutely, man, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having all Right, that's Michael Irvin. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: how good was that? The guy's just unbelievable. At the

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Speaker 1: as much as I enjoyed that. I love Michael Irvin.

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