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Speaker 2: Hell that for me. I'm a man, I'm for I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day? Edith Steak,

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Speaker 2: is that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie Dan Rubinstein happy March, my fay,

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Speaker 1: this March already if you can believe it. How are

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Speaker 1: you good, sir?

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Speaker 2: I'm good because it's now March. I think spring break

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Speaker 2: how it works here and we'll head somewhere warm, so

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Speaker 2: light at the end of the tunnel. Ish, I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 2: Ty make some bread earlier. Life is all right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking a lot about our bread. More about

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Speaker 1: it on our bonus episodes, which we do at for

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Speaker 1: Ballers dot Com on Thursdays. We won't belabor the point

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Speaker 1: here on today's episode. As many of you are listening

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Speaker 1: to this on Tuesday, March the fourth, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have a State of the Union address here in the

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Speaker 1: out on Patreon maybe listening a day early, some may

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Speaker 1: be listening a bit later. You may recall last year

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Speaker 1: around this time, I wrote a full on State of

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Speaker 1: the College Football Union address. I remember a full on

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Speaker 1: State of the Union address. I am not doing that

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Speaker 1: this year. And the reason is not because we're worried

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Speaker 2: You look so handsome. I work from Holly nailed it,

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Speaker 2: so I don't have to do that. I know, screw that.

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Speaker 1: I'm good with my ath leisure and I'm good with

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Speaker 1: today's concept. With Dan. We're calling it State of the States. Yes,

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Speaker 1: state of the States.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are just doing a vibe check, if that's

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Speaker 2: a good way to put it. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 2: So it's Ohio State, Penn State, Iowa State, NC State,

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, did you say that?

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. Yeah, We've got about.

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Speaker 1: We've got about eight different teams here, yes, from across

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that's right. It's just a vibe check, man,

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Speaker 1: As we said now a couple of times, vibe you

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Speaker 1: name it, and look, these are not definitive answers. Again,

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Speaker 1: it's March the fourth, as many of you are listening

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Speaker 1: to this, things can change as we get a little

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Speaker 1: encourage over ballerhood to weigh and let us know where

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Speaker 1: we're right, where we're wrong, what you think, even if,

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Speaker 1: even if it's not your team, If you've got opinions

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com, get hit us up on social media

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Speaker 2: By the way, the even though it was sort of

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Speaker 2: things considered, Ohio State national champion, Penn State almost in

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Speaker 2: We can also talk about the short lived cult classic

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Speaker 1: You and I were both crazy about NC State. We

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Speaker 2: of a toss up schedule this year. This is not

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Speaker 2: They got some tough road matches against what is it.

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Speaker 2: They're at Notre Dame, They're at Miami. They closed in

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Speaker 2: But otherwise in the ACC, they beat a bunch of

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Speaker 2: I understand they had one traditional ACC win last season.

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Speaker 2: That's not good enough. For NC State, it's never good enough.

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Speaker 2: They've largely been consistently pretty good. They were nowhere near

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Speaker 1: I think it's a vibe of impatience. Frankly, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: you put perfect point on it. Does the optimism of

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Speaker 1: Does it outweigh losing like half your defensive production from

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four? It just seems like that's a lot

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Speaker 1: to overcome, and we're putting it a lot on still

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, Like I guess there's enough returning

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Speaker 1: on offense. Bill Connelly has their returning production on offense

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Speaker 1: at about seventy one percent, which makes them top twenty

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Speaker 1: where they rank seventy second with what they have coming back. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: there is optimism around CJ.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I watched them plenty. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a season where it seems like it's all there injury notwithstanding,

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Speaker 1: like there is no way to frame what happened last

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Speaker 1: just not easy to come back from that. So I

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Speaker 1: would say vibes are impatient. I would say vibes are

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Speaker 1: They won the conference? They won the conference. Yeah, immaculate vibes.

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Speaker 1: not always pretty, but they're they're they're gaining some momentum here. Okay,

432
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 1: they sneak up on everybody. They go to that title game,

433
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: they win, they almost want a playoff game. Yeah, this

434
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: year they're going to have one of the highest returning

435
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: production rates in the country.

436
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And given last week and Armies running back

437
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 2: lead running back Armies, thank you, Yeah, Kanye Udo.

438
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: What a cultural shift by the way, Oh yeah, we

439
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: talked about that to take the Arizona. Yeah, but last year,

440
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,479
Speaker 1: this year, completely different set up. Last year, nobody saw

441
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: them coming. This year they're going to be the toast

442
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: of the town, the toast of the conference, coming into

443
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: the season eighteenth and returning production one of the highest

444
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: rates in the country. This year, people will be gunning

445
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: for Arizona State. It sometimes takes on a little bit

446
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: of a different flavor when suddenly you're not the dark horse,

447
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: when suddenly everybody's gunning for you. So is the like

448
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: increase in expectations gonna make it harder for them to

449
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: live up to those expectations. That makes sense as a competition,

450
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: got their targets zeroed in on them, and is it

451
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: going to catch up to Asu.

452
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, all they really needed to do last he was

453
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: show improvement. They didn't need to take over the conference

454
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: to show a shift in you know, vibes in Tempe,

455
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: and they won the whole thing. They won the Big twelve,

456
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: and so yes, it's always different that you're going to

457
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: get more teams best Saturday when you are the defending champ,

458
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: and that you have a target on your back when

459
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: you are coming in as the champ and the champ

460
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: beating you know, I the runner up in Iowas tape

461
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: by However, are you thirty points or something? So yeah,

462
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: that's a little bit different. Also, this is I don't

463
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: know how much of a difference it makes, but it's

464
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: the same thing I guess in baseball, when your pitcher's

465
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: going through the lineup like three times, you're like, all right,

466
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 2: I have a sense for or going through the If

467
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Speaker 2: you're a rookie hitter and you're having a sensational April

468
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: in May and the league sort of catches up to you,

469
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: you have more on tape, you know, and seeing how

470
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: your team stacks up against ASU. This season, Arizona State

471
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 2: is on the road get at Mississippi State, who will

472
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: talk about They have Baylor on the road and TCU

473
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: back to back, Utah Texas Tech back to back with

474
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: Utah on the road, they're in Aims at Colorado at altitude,

475
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: and they have the rivalry game the week after that

476
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: against Arizona, who is likely not going to be as

477
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: bad as they were last year. But Arizona does lose

478
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: their clear best player the matter, so there's something there.

479
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: But ASU has another recruiting class, they have another portal class.

480
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: They you know, they have Fresno's number two receiver coming

481
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: in to FORTI. Five things we mentioned the Army running

482
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: back coming in, wide receiver, and offensive line We're a

483
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: priority in this recruiting class out of high school and

484
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: you're getting another year of experience under Sam Levitt's belt.

485
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, you have to contend with a you know,

486
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: an ASU V three point zero if you're any of

487
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: those teams who now feel a little bit more confident

488
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 2: in you know, getting ASU. So no, it's fascinating. Arizona

489
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: States seems to be. They should be considered to be

490
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: the clear favorite in the Big twelve until proven otherwise.

491
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: So again, effervescent vibes.

492
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: I think I screwed up my own returning production stat

493
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking right now. Yeah, a second nationally, second nationally

494
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: per Bill Connolly, seventy eight percent coming back on offense,

495
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: which is fourth, seventy nine percent coming back on defense,

496
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: which is second.

497
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 2: Yes, and should be noted pass rush has a ways

498
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: to go consistently, and if they could get off the

499
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 2: field a little bit more on third down that would

500
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: go a long ways. Hence why defense is a priority.

501
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: But look, vibes are good, I mean great. Some of

502
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: these answers are easier than ever or easier than.

503
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: As and Heinz Ward is on their sideline. I'd rather

504
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: hines Ward be wearing my team's polo than my opponents.

505
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

506
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: Where do you want to go next?

507
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: Uh, let's go to Let's let's keep it natural and

508
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: go Mississippi State since we just mentioned their schedule out

509
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: of conference other than asking.

510
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: If this team has a quarterback that we feel good about.

511
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: Right I am? Are we calling it the Chroman hope

512
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: Chroman hope? Or is it shaping up to be a

513
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: better season? Ty? It might be March, but I'm in

514
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: mid season four arm Okay, continue, But I didn't deserve

515
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: that much of a laugh, like a polite giggle would

516
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: have sufficed other than.

517
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: Crowman hope or shaping up to be whatever season. Yeah,

518
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of transfers on this team. Yes, there's

519
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: a lot of transfers on this team. So the obvious

520
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: question is how quickly can Jeff Leby reboot Mississippi State

521
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: knowing that this is going to be I don't want

522
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: to call him cast offs. I don't mean that there

523
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: are some good players. By the way that they brought

524
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: in our guy Fluff at running back.

525
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: Is coming true fluff bothwell, Yeah.

526
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: To Stark well, so to starkwell, startarkvihill, excuse me?

527
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: Maybe well we'll be calling it starkwell by the end

528
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: of the season fluff stark.

529
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, how quickly can you reboot with all those transfers,

530
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: I think is the operative question. They were two and

531
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: ten a year ago. I don't think it was a

532
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: drastic surprise. Frankly, they finished last in the SEC. They

533
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: were ownating conference in turn of just record one of

534
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: the worst seasons that they've ever had. However, however, however,

535
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: it felt like they played hard. You know, there's a

536
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: difference between a two and ten where you feel completely limp,

537
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: and then there's the two and ten version that I

538
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: think we saw at moments from Mississippi State, where they

539
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: actually did show a lot of fight, and it bums

540
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: me out to know and that Michael Van Buren left

541
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: and went to LSU because I really like Michael.

542
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: Via back this season. Yeah, I really.

543
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: Liked him a season ago. So I am struggling a

544
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: little bit with where I placed the vibes here on

545
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten, because on one hand,

546
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: we did see that fight, and that fight definitely extended

547
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: to players beyond just Michael van Buren again, who I

548
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: really really liked, But on the same token, a lot

549
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: of transfers in the same token, still playing an SEC

550
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: schedule on the same token. Is it chroman hope? Is

551
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: it shape it up to be another two and ten season?

552
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: I just I'm having a hard time try the put

553
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: the number on this thing here.

554
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: So I have the vibes for Mississippi State at the

555
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: moment listed as wary but open to being surprised. If

556
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: I am representing the Mississippi State.

557
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: I said, I said, gritty and still determined.

558
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: So this may have been the worst defense in America

559
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: at times, or at least the worst like pass rush

560
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: in past defense in America. Last season, there were no

561
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: major coaching changes. You're right. They did give teams like

562
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: Georgia and A and m and Ole miss obviously in

563
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: the Egg Bowl ASU, they gave them a little bit

564
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: of fight. They gave them a little bit of a scare.

565
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: Twenty four guys out or twenty four guys in, twenty

566
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: six guys out. So whatever they are this season, it's

567
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: a different looking team, combined with you know, a recruiting

568
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: class coming in, so you're talking about dozens upon dozens

569
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: of new faces for Mississippi State this season. They've got

570
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: a blue chip quarterback of the future. The schedule seems

571
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: pretty impossible once again. They finished with at Florida, Texas,

572
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: at Arkansas, Georgia, at Miszoo and then a fie before

573
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: the Egg Bowl. And that's not to mention Tennessee and

574
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: at A and M in back to back weeks earlier

575
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: on in the season. So we have to be talking

576
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: about an offense that is consistently scoring thirty four thirty

577
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: five points for this team to stand any chance, because

578
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: it's hard to imagine them going from being atrocious trying

579
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: to stop the pass to decent in a season without

580
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: just an enormously successful portal class on defense coming in.

581
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I think we are as non affiliated

582
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: people hopeful that Mississippi State wins more than one FBS game,

583
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: which I believe was UMass last year. And you know,

584
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: is shocking a team or three and showing a little

585
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: bit of fight at the bottom to middle of the sea.

586
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: But I just I think it would shock a lot

587
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: of Mississippi State fans if they went to a bowl

588
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: this year. I think pretty shocking to the people who

589
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: should have the most hope because it is their team.

590
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: But it is hard to squint and see six on

591
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: this schedule at the moment. So yeah, the vibes are

592
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: you know, screw it, why not? But I don't know

593
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: if that gets you to six.

594
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: In terms of what they've got coming back on defense,

595
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: twentieth in returning production. But I think it speaks to

596
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: one of Bill's other corollaries, which is is that good

597
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: If you had a good defense a year ago, then

598
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: that's great. But if the defense wasn't so hot, does

599
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: it even matter that you're bringing those guys back? And

600
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: plus there is kind of this whole new calculation with

601
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: how do you factor in transfers or transfers up and

602
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: down this roster to your point, So I just don't know,

603
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: Like I want to believe here, I really want to

604
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: believe because we did see a little bit of that fight.

605
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: It's just really hard to get momentum going when you're

606
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: playing an SEC schedule.

607
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Blake Shapen started out the season pretty good. I mean,

608
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: all things considered, they lose by twenty three to twenty

609
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: four points to Toledo, which is not great obviously, but

610
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: he had a good game against Asu early season. ASU

611
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: heard is I believe shoulder pretty early on in the season.

612
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: So you're replacing an injured starting quarterback with a true

613
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: freshman being thrust into an SEC schedule before any sort

614
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: of warm up. It's a lot to ask. And now

615
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: losing key players on defense. I think they lost their

616
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: best corner who transferred to Texas Tack. I want to

617
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: say that's you're just setting back the clock a little

618
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: bit too much. You're relying on a Florida State back up,

619
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: You're relying on Blake shape and healing up and being

620
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: one of the seven best quarterbacks in the SEC. It's

621
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: just a lot to ask right now. So you know,

622
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: I think everybody's hoping for a surprise from this roster.

623
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: Let's go over to Fresno State. Actually, let's go out West.

624
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: Fresne's interesting to me, very interesting. Fresno's interesting. They're interesting

625
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: because they had to deal with one of those time

626
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: honor traditions of the coach leaving very late in the cycle.

627
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: We actually just saw something like that at Bowling Green.

628
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: Different reasons, mind you, but Scott Lafflar going to be

629
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: a coach now with the Philadelphia Eagles. Beyond that staff,

630
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: two maniacs in the sidelines, him and Nick Sirianni. But

631
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 1: it's it puts programs in a bind when you've got

632
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: a coach that leaves so late in the cycle. And

633
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: that's what they had to deal with last year. After

634
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: months on end about whether or not Jeff Tedford was

635
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: going to step away, it looked as if he was

636
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: poised to stick around, and then he wasn't, And so

637
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: it was always going to be a tough ask for

638
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: Tim Skipper. This was a six and seventeam a year ago.

639
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: They finished fourth in the out and West. They lost

640
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: the bowl game to Northern Illinois eight twenty.

641
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: Seventy three overtimes.

642
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a season that definitely fell short

643
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: of what we would say is otherwise fairly lofty expectations

644
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: for this program. But I think it was understandable how

645
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: they got there. So I think the vibe right now

646
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: with a new coach now in that ends is uncertain.

647
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: This is a program in transition on some level, they're rebooting.

648
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: Like you lose guys like Mikey key. I was never

649
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: that high on Mikey Keena begin with, but Mikey Keen

650
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: at least gave them some element of stability. He's off

651
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: to Michigan, right. You lose your running back to Boise State.

652
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: You mentioned losing Jalen Moss to Arizona State. That doesn't

653
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: help to lose some of those guys on the offensive

654
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: side of the ball. They only returned forty percent of

655
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: their production. That's one hundred and sixteenth in the nation.

656
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: Thirty six percent on offense, forty four on defense. A

657
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: lot of turnover with this roster. You combine that with

658
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: needing to rebuild the coaching staff on top of rebuilding

659
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: the roster. It's just this is it's hard to feel

660
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: too optimistic about this coming season.

661
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: Buddy. They rebuilt the coaching staff with what is considered

662
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: to be one of the elite tight ends coach in

663
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: the country. Paid no attention to his time as an

664
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, Brian Farrence.

665
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: That's right.

666
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying that dung and cheek. He's considered

667
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: to be. He's one of the best tight end coaches

668
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: of the modern era. It has to be.

669
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: It's actually a very very good higher. That's a very

670
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: good higher.

671
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: I agree. Here's what I have down for the vibes.

672
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: I have happy to hopefully be on solid ground with

673
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: a new vision. So we go Tedford de bor back

674
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: to Tedford interim skipper, and it's just like there's an uncertainty.

675
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: You know. Obviously vibes very good when Tedford was rolling

676
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: and operating and healthy and everything like that. Unfortunately he

677
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: had the health issues that he had. Uh. Kaylin Debor

678
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: was obviously a releva relevation revelation, but he is gone

679
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: after a couple seasons, and so you're sort of jumping

680
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: from lily Pad to lily Pad and hopefully Matt Enttz

681
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: with this being his first huge shot, obviously having the

682
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: success he had at North Dakota State that this is

683
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: solid ground for Fresno moving forward. They're also a place

684
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: that like if there is a major school on the

685
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: West Coast that you know is losing a transfer whatever

686
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: that you know, a former four star, five star from

687
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: Northern California Southern like Fresno State is a meaningful landing

688
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: spot I think considering its geography and still like a

689
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 2: big enough size school that's gonna play in big enough

690
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: games to like get seen. Corey Foreman was like a

691
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: former five star USC and now he's getting playing time

692
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: at FRESNOE. Like, there are those situations. Jake Hayner at

693
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: Washington comes down to Fresno and thrives. So I think

694
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: the vibes are fine. I think he hired decently well.

695
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: I think they're a good spot. They lost games that

696
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: they should be semi embarrassed to have lost last season,

697
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: I think air Force and Hawaii being the two big ones.

698
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: But otherwise they have opportunity, uh to to show out

699
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: and I don't know, we'll see on I mean, it's

700
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: what is it a Joshua wood E j Warner situation

701
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: at quarterback? Right, they'll get better there. They just by

702
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: being Fresno being located where they are, they'll land somebody

703
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: that they can build around for a little while longer.

704
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: I think. I think Fresne people should be by and

705
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: larged in a in a good spot vibe wise, I'm

706
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: okay with it.

707
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think expectations are different than vibes. Yeah,

708
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: and there so there's that I think they should be different. Yeah,

709
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how high expectations should be, but I

710
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: do agree with the sentiment that just getting a guy

711
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: with like a different vision and for better or worse,

712
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: moving away from the whole Tedford earrow, which had you know,

713
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: been a long time at Fresno right, Yeah, I guess

714
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: split up a little bit. But like, I like the

715
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Mattens Higher. I don't think he's a bad higher. I

716
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: like the success that we saw out of him at

717
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: North Dakota State. How that translates to Fresno remains to

718
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: be seen. But guy won two titles at North Dakota State,

719
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: so he's clearly had a taste of success. We've seen

720
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: that translate in other ways across college football.

721
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: Chris Clims Craig Bowl was largely average ish at Wyoming,

722
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: but I think his second or third year was very good.

723
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: His final season was decent. He was like, all right,

724
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm out. Yeah, but yeah, I like the Higher. He

725
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: seems to be a well respected coach. And by the way,

726
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: sidebar here because I mentioned UNLV, we have Dan Mullen's back.

727
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen is back.

728
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have Dan Mullen. We have Rich Rod, we

729
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: have Scott Frost. Usually I'm like, not super hot and

730
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: bothered by re tready hires. I don't know, they're all

731
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: kind of scratching me where I at. I'm excited for it.

732
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: I am too, and I like the Higher here with

733
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: matt Ants. I am going to stop short of making

734
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: any kind of predictions. I just think it's with so

735
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: much new it's hard to really put your finger on

736
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: what to expect out of this team. I know we

737
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: have Fresno people that listen. I would love to actually

738
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: hear their input on the higher I talk to some

739
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: of them that listen, and you know, I think generally speaking,

740
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: the the vibes are good that they brought in mad Ants,

741
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: but remains to be seen. Obviously, We'll see what happens

742
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: on the Saturday.

743
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. Next, let's go to the defending national champions. Actually,

744
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: this one's I think largely pretty easy. We can probably

745
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: get through this one pretty quickly. But it's worth it.

746
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: Is it easy?

747
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: Well?

748
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they lose seventy three million dollars worth of coordinator

749
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: and Chip Kelly and Jim Knowles. They replace them with

750
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: an internal ish promotion in Brian Hartline. We'll see where

751
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: the offense is actually being controlled from, if it's Ryan

752
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: day playsheet, or if it's Brian Hartline completely taking over

753
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia taking over themat okay, which is a decision. Okay,

754
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: defense being completely overhauled, essentially with new defensive line large

755
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: and new linebackers largely new secondary, although Iggy at corner

756
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: and Caleb Downs obviously back in the secondary, and younger,

757
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: new quarterback receivers, intact, new running back room, new offensive line.

758
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: You know, one of the big headline offensive line transfers,

759
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 2: getting the left tackle from Rice In. But I would

760
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: say the vibes aren't as high as they are in

761
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: Arizona State in Columbus because the expectation is national championship.

762
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: At Ohio State, they met that expectation and they met

763
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 2: it in the most disappointing possible way, which is losing

764
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: to Michigan along the way. So you can't say the

765
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: vibes are effervescent at Ohio State because I don't think

766
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: the vibes are for ever effervescent at Ohio State. I

767
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: think they're good. I think they are good vibes. I

768
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: think things are working nicely. They have a quarterback of

769
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: the future, they're recruiting great, Everything is going well. The

770
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: Big Ten has more attention on it than ever, given

771
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 2: the expansion, given you know the TV properties, how much

772
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: they're on network TV, how often they're playing at like

773
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: six am in the West Coast. But I think vibes

774
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: are good, not perfect, if that makes sense.

775
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how Ohio State deals with this

776
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: level of turnover, and yeah, the same look. They've been

777
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: in this position before. This isn't like a new thing

778
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: for Ohio State. They're in this position almost every year.

779
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: They weren't last year because they went out and they

780
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: made it a point to bring back most of their roster.

781
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: But for the most part, this is not a new

782
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: thing for Ryan Day, for the Buckeyes. They're gonna have

783
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: new pieces on both offense and defense. As you said,

784
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: the two new coresonators. But winning a national title buys

785
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: you a little bit of grace, buys you a little

786
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: bit of a wiggle room, and for whatever stock you

787
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: put in something like returning production. They're ninety second on offense,

788
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: one hundred and third on defense. There are gonna be

789
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: a lot of new faces. It is hard to come

790
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: away from this conversation feeling other than the vibe being immaculate.

791
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: You just won a national championship. Now you gotta be Michigan.

792
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: It'd be nice to win the title again. Obviously, Ohio

793
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: State is going to be favored to get back to

794
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: the playoff. I think all those things still stand. But

795
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: on the heels of that Michigan loss back in late November.

796
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: To come out and go through the playoff field the

797
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: way that they did and winning the Manda that they did,

798
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: it's hard not to feel great about where things are headed.

799
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: It's just always a bit of a jump to assume

800
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: that a team is going to be top five caliber,

801
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: since that's the expectation, knowing all that they have walking

802
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: out the door, like they're going to have a new

803
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: quarterback next year. I think it's going to be Julie

804
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: in saying if you listen to players that are going

805
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: to the NFL, they overwhelmingly seem to think that it's

806
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: going to be Julian saying that he's different, he's a

807
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: special kind of talent, blah blah blah. Here to a

808
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: million times, but it seems like Julian Sayan might be

809
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: the guy. They're obviously going to have fair amount back

810
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: at receiver, but new running backs, the line questions I

811
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: think will still persist. They're were there last year. Some

812
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: losses on defense as well, so it's like it's not

813
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: a sure thing that this is going to be a

814
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: top five caliber team. I think it's likely, but it's

815
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: also a bit of a jump. For me, whenever you

816
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: got that much walking out the door, that is just

817
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: going to click again the next season. That being said,

818
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: there is a track record for that happening at Ohio State.

819
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: That said, I don't think we're penciling in any bare

820
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: minimum this is going to be a double digit win

821
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 1: team during the regular season. That's just what Ohio State

822
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: stands for at this point.

823
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: But if Ohio State is a double digit winning team

824
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: next year, that means that they are at least winning

825
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: one of three of Michigan, Texas, and Penn State. Opening

826
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: the season against Texas, they miss Oregon during the regular season.

827
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: I'm not sure who else they get and or miss

828
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: if you have the schedule in front of you, But

829
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: if they're ten and two or eleven and one with

830
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: that schedule, they're probably a top five team.

831
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: They would have to be. I mean, they've got Texas

832
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: in Week one at home in Ohio Stadium, Yeah, which

833
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: would be nice. Their next I guess projected ranked opponent,

834
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: just going by what our friends at FBS Schedules have

835
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: on their website, would be mid October at number thirteen Illinois.

836
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: They're going to beat Illinois.

837
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that. There's a stretch in there where you

838
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: could squint and see some troubles. I'm not saying squint

839
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: and see loss is squint and see troubles. They do

840
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: go to Wisconsin, I have I have the stretches at Washington,

841
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: Minnesota at Illinois back to back to back. I'm not

842
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: saying losses. I'm saying travel across the front country and

843
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: have a weird body clock situation at Washington. Minnesota has

844
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: a track record on a PJ fleck of either upsetting

845
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: or keeping things closer with elite teams than they would

846
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: be comfortable with. And then Illinois of course looks to

847
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: be as you mentioned, like a top fifteen team.

848
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: This is just really spaced out. Well, it's really space alas.

849
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got some of the toughest games on

850
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: this schedule at home, namely Texas, who again is going

851
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: to be top five to enter the season. Penn State

852
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: also going to be top five going into the season.

853
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: They do have Michigan on the road to close out

854
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: the year. I don't know where Michigan will be at

855
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: by end of the year, but that game is back

856
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: in ann Arbor now, and we know, as history being

857
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 1: our guide, that will be a tight game. It just will.

858
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: It'll be a close game.

859
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: You don't just get Mikey Keane and feel good about me.

860
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: They're playing Mikey Keen on November twenty ninth, so now,

861
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: well they're either playing a Fresno State transfer or a

862
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: true freshman.

863
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: By that point in the season. Is a little bit

864
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: more of all thank.

865
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah. Ohio State still feels like

866
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: a program as a whole that has come to define

867
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: earthquake weather, where even when things are good, even when

868
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: skies are clear, they're a little bit too clear. What's

869
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: gonna go wrong? How can this team disappoint its fan

870
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: base in November, December or January? How will that fan

871
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: base react? When is it ever going to be enough?

872
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: That's what is always around the corner in the universe

873
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: of Ohio State, it seems. But this year it was

874
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: a national championship. It was a national champion. This year

875
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: it was a season in which they have the established

876
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: Heisman non quarterback Heisman front runner, and man, what a

877
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 2: gilded time it is to be an Ohio State fan

878
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: where you have to wait all of like four months

879
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: between one I'm the era changing receiver in Marvin Harrison

880
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 2: junior to Jeremiah Smith. And that's following what Chris o'lave

881
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: and Jackson Smith and Jigba and Garrett Wilson like. Life

882
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: is pretty good. By the way, did you see Will

883
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: Howard's combine performance? Did he not have a good combine?

884
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: I don't pay a lot of attention.

885
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he completed a pass Dan. Really it

886
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: was not a good showing from Will Howard. I presume

887
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: he will have another chance on Pro Day to throw

888
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: and try to up his draft stock. But some of

889
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: the pundits, let's say yeah, on social media, were not

890
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: too kind to our friend Will Howard.

891
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: By the way, Ohio State also adds C. J. Donaldson,

892
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: who showed a lot of promise early in his career

893
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: running back at West Virginia to that backfield and an

894
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 2: all time great five star quarterback name in Tavian Saint Clair.

895
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: Great things are good, things are great. Let's keep in

896
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: the big Tensco Penn State. Now, let's do it. Okay,

897
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: Flora's yours Here is the question. There is one question,

898
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: one question, one question only about Penn State. And though

899
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it affects the vibes right now, I

900
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: think it is very much going to be something in

901
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: the backs of Penn Staters minds. I think I said

902
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: that right, I think so all season long, and that

903
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: is what happens if Penn State crashes out.

904
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's the question.

905
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's dark. What happened? What happens if they crash out?

906
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: What happens?

907
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: I then what does that mean? How do you define that?

908
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: How do I define that? Penn State brings back Drew Aller,

909
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: they bring back both Nick Singleton and k Tron Allen.

910
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't have to sit here and list all of

911
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: the other guys coming back. There are a lot of

912
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: them that decide they wanted to stick around.

913
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: Dds on defense is the huge name.

914
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, a bunch of them wanted to stick around and

915
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: try and make this a thing. In twenty twenty five.

916
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: They are losing their best player on either side of

917
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: the ball was Abdil Carter might be the first overall pick.

918
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: They're losing Tyler Warren, their tight end who might be

919
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: a top ten pick. Okay, there's a lot to be

920
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: I think excited about with this team coming back, but

921
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: we can't be excited about that roster without also being

922
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: mindful of what is walking out the door. The ingredients

923
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: are there for a deeper playoff run out of Penn

924
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: State this year. Everything is set up for them. We

925
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: can talk through the schedule in a moment. But the

926
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: reason I bring up that question is because that's the

927
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: conversation that I've been having with friends. I've heard it

928
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: mentioned elsewhere. This is very much the season for James

929
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: Franklin where it feels a little bit of do or die.

930
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he should be fired. I'm not saying

931
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: he should resign. I'm not saying anything dramatic, but just

932
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: in terms of what it feels like to be a

933
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: fan of the team if we go an entire offseason

934
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: talking up the roster that is coming back fourteenth in

935
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: returning production on an offense. Obviously they took us to

936
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: forward on offense last year. I think Drew Aller got better. Yeah,

937
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: what if it doesn't happen for him this year? So like,

938
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: vibes are good, I think vibes are are very optimistic

939
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty five. What are the vibes going

940
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: to be like if they get into another situation like

941
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: they were in against Notre Dame, which by the way,

942
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: was a very winnable game.

943
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: I agree. There were a couple key plays that tilted

944
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: that one in favor of the Irish. There there were

945
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: various moments where they almost completed a pass to a receiver,

946
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: various moments, absolutely, various moments, various look it up, look

947
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: it up, fact check me.

948
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: But that was a winnable game. I think we'd agree

949
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: on that.

950
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: Agree, it's a.

951
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: Very winnable game. If they get to a point like

952
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: that again and they do not pull through, what does

953
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: that do for vibes, Because then Drew Hollur's gone. Then

954
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: you've got most of your offense gone. It's just a

955
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: totally different conversation than I think the one we're going

956
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: to have going into twenty twenty five, And that is

957
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: very to me. That sharp contrast, I think is really

958
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: really interesting of what it could be or where it

959
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: could go. That's the reason I bring it up here.

960
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: I think generally vibes are good. I would say, though,

961
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: if we zoom in a little bit more, vibes with

962
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: respect to the offense outside of the running game are

963
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: a little bit shakier. Territory Drew Aller got better, but

964
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: Drew Aller had a tendency in some of the higher

965
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: leverage moments to run a little hot or going kind

966
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: of to panic mode, and you can see it on

967
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: his face that he wants to win, but he's pressing

968
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. He did down the stretch against Notre Dame.

969
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: That's why he threw an interception instead of dirting that

970
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: ball over the middle. Who's he throwing to? I don't know.

971
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: I still don't know. That's like the sixty four million

972
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: dollar question this coming season. It's a receiver room that

973
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: is a huge question mark going into this year. They're

974
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: gonna need more than just that ground game if they

975
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: want to take that step forward. Upbeat, yes, optimistic, yes,

976
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: obviously cause for pause. With respect to the offense, I

977
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: think we have a fair amount of excitement around the

978
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: defense with what it could be under Jim Knowles that

979
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: I would expect is going to maintain its level of

980
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: excellence that we've seen over the last decade now at

981
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: Penn State. Right, questions aren't there, Questions aren't with the

982
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: anti kotal Nikki system, Questions are who's drew hour throwing to?

983
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: Questions are does this team have enough grit in its

984
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: belly to take a step forward? And you know, can

985
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: James Franklin get over that proverbial hump?

986
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's if you or I give Penn State's head

987
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: coach a nickname of January James. Is that a compliment

988
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: or is that an insult?

989
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: Exactly?

990
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: Is that a compliment that we're calling him January James

991
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: because of what happened again? Or is it that we're

992
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: so impressed with the step that they took forward that

993
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: were anointing him as January James. Now receiver does not

994
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: seem like it's gotten better. It hasn't. It has added

995
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 2: Like us, he's fourth best receiver, two of their better

996
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: receivers in a year that those guys didn't make a

997
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: difference late. I think it's Omari Evans and Harrison Wallace. Yeah,

998
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: they lose the best tight end in the country and

999
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: the best edge rusher in the country. I'm sure the

1000
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: replacements are more than adequate. I'm sure the replacements are

1001
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: going to be full.

1002
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: Off hood, They'll be fun. I'm not that worried about that.

1003
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 2: But then we're also talking about a Penn State season

1004
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: in which they host Oregon early and they travel to Columbus, which,

1005
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: if memory serves, if you look at James Franklin's tenure.

1006
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 2: That makes the game at Kinnick must win if they're

1007
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 2: going to make the playoff, or the game at Michigan

1008
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 2: State must win. I mean they're going to make the playoff.

1009
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: The games on this schedule in twenty twenty five that

1010
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: jump off the page September twenty seventh in Beaver Stadium

1011
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: against your Oregon Ducks. By the way, I don't know

1012
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: if you want to go to that one, but if

1013
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: you want to, you have a place to stay, you can

1014
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: drive up. That'd be fun. But yeah, you go a

1015
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: little bit deeper into the season, get to October eighteenth,

1016
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: on the road in Kinnick, a week before a which

1017
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: is a week before another road game at Ohio State, which,

1018
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: by the way, the following week they're at home against Indiana,

1019
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: and then the following week after that they're on the

1020
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: road at Michigan State.

1021
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough.

1022
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of a gauntlet situation going on there.

1023
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: There's also a road trip out to UCLA before a

1024
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 1: trip back home against Northwestern before another trip to Iowa.

1025
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of like back and forth travel

1026
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: here doesn't make me too excited, but.

1027
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: All things being said, like, this is a team that.

1028
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: Should win isshul win ten games at a minimum with

1029
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: what they have coming back this isshul win ten games.

1030
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm already excited for dds getting no holding calls and

1031
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: being reminded as such. I'm pretty excited for that. Yeah,

1032
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: I mean if Penn State, look, if you look at

1033
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: the teams that we're considering to be national championship caliber,

1034
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: whatever that grouping is in this moment. If it's Penn State,

1035
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, take Clemson, take

1036
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: your pick, teams that are playoff, playoff adjacent whatever, most

1037
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 2: of them, like an overwhelming majority of them are starting

1038
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: a new full time quarterback. Penn State is ahead now.

1039
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if that matters by like week seven

1040
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: or eight. It may matter by the time they play Oregon.

1041
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: That just Drew Aller at home is just in a

1042
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: much more advantage position than what we presume to be

1043
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: Dante Moore traveling across the country. But Penn State is

1044
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: starting ahead of most of those schools just in terms

1045
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: of experience absolutely nothing.

1046
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: And look Aler took step forward last year. He did,

1047
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: he got better. Sure, he absolutely got better. Some key

1048
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: moments he could have done better. Yeah, but I think

1049
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: the general story of the seasons that Drew Aller got better.

1050
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: There was some smoke, as you know, down the stretch

1051
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: that like, maybe Aler is actually going to go pro.

1052
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: He said he's coming back, when maybe he should go

1053
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: pro because of the quarter back depth going pro this

1054
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: coming draft cycle. Sure he didn't. Obviously the game that

1055
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: we saw against Notre Dame was not doing him any

1056
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: favors in that regard. But is he going to have

1057
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: a receiver corps that can get open? I don't know.

1058
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: I have vibes as on edge that there's reason to

1059
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 2: be on the edge of your seat in a good way,

1060
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: and there's reasons there are reasons to be on edge

1061
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: about this being a ten and two into the playoff,

1062
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: maybe not in the Big Ten championship game, and then

1063
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: some new team. We've seen it from Oregon, we've seen

1064
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: it from Washington, We've seen it from USC We've seen

1065
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 2: it from Ole Miss exposing this Penn State defense in

1066
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: the postseason. And so who is that team going to

1067
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: be this year? Or who is Penn State going to

1068
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 2: be this year? So I have it both ways, on edge,

1069
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 2: edge of your seat because it could be great edge

1070
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: of your seat because you're waiting for something to go wrong.

1071
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 2: Let's close out this episode talking about Oklahoma State, then

1072
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Speaker 2: please America's team.

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Speaker 1: No they're not.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Todd Grantham, Doug mea chum, Mike Gundy, a quarterback

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Speaker 2: with a very long first name that I'm positive i'll

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Speaker 2: get correct by August. What's not to love?

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Speaker 1: I messaged you a lot, Yeah, I messaged you on

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Speaker 1: Slack before we hit go, and I am reminded of

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Speaker 1: that scene from Is it Major League? Major League two?

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Speaker 1: I should know this? Yeah, where the fans are reading

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00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: off the roster, reading off the starting lineup, and one

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00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: says to another, who these effing guys? Yeah, go and

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00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: look at this depth chart. Go and look at it.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty fourth returning production on offense. It's

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Speaker 1: better on defense fifty seventh, for whatever that's worth you.

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Speaker 1: But go and look at this offense right now, with

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Speaker 1: what they have coming back.

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Speaker 2: It's not much.

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Speaker 1: It isn't. It isn't. And you say, hey, this We

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Speaker 1: say this on the heels of a season where they

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Speaker 1: went three to nine. They won their first three, lost

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Speaker 1: their last nine close out their season losing by fifty two,

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Speaker 1: didn't put up a single point against Colorado. This is

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Speaker 1: a bad year. This is a really bad year. So

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Speaker 1: I look ahead and I say, what are we hanging

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Speaker 1: our hats on here? Where is the reason point that

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Speaker 1: out to me? What is the reason to think that'll

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Speaker 1: get better other than the fact that it can't get worse?

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Speaker 1: What are we hanging our hat on here? In a season,

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Speaker 1: by the way, that was mired with some degree of

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Speaker 1: turmoil with Mike Gundy and the contract situation where they

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Speaker 1: wanted him to take a pay cut. There may have

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Speaker 1: been an ultimatum and ultimately he agrees to it. But

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Speaker 1: what am I hanging my hat on here?

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Speaker 2: Some sort of mysteriously successful year for Oklahoma State in

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Speaker 2: a wide open conference and new players transfers stepping up

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Speaker 2: out of nowhere because typically speaking, and I say this

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Speaker 2: because I know it's from a previous era, Oklahoma State

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Speaker 2: had been a program for a long time that when

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Speaker 2: you look at receiver, especially offensive skill talent, we are like, man,

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Speaker 2: this number three dude from last year really popped and

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be the number one receiver this year. And

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch Tylan Wallace or whoever the

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00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: next what Jane Junkyard, Jim Washington, take your pick. That

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Speaker 2: there was such good receiver recruiting and running back development,

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Speaker 2: and everybody's gone on this coaching staff other than Mike

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Speaker 2: Gundy and maybe the special teams coach, I believe. So

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Speaker 2: he had to overhaul everything. And so now it's who

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Speaker 2: exactly I mean, it's Gundhy's team, it's Gundy's identity. It's

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Speaker 2: Gundy's choice to get rid of everybody or to hire

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Speaker 2: who he's hiring. And they go zero to nine last year,

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Speaker 2: and I was I just have been under the pression

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Speaker 2: in the back of my head like this would be

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Speaker 2: a program to do what Texas Tech did in the portal.

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Speaker 2: That you think about the money behind the scenes, the

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Speaker 2: estate of Boone Pickens, however involved they are that like

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Speaker 2: say what you allowed Oklahoma State. But there's money there

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Speaker 2: in stillwater behind this athletic department, and they're losing much

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Speaker 2: more to the portal and have recently lost more to

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Speaker 2: the Portal of note than their gaining of note, and

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Speaker 2: so it's hard to squint and see it really is.

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Speaker 2: You're right about who are these guys that they're going

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Speaker 2: to be able to assemble this in a few months

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Speaker 2: to suddenly become what I assume their goal is to

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Speaker 2: be a bowl team this year. That they've hired well,

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Speaker 2: that they've found the combination of guys. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how you can be the coach at Oklahoma State and

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Speaker 2: shoot for anything lower than a bowl.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Oklahoma State is another program that we dedicated

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Speaker 1: an episode two. Yeah, in the preseason last year, we

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Speaker 1: had Scott right on from the Oklahoma and it was

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01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: a great conversation. M and I believe we put the

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01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: question to him where we said, is it now or

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01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: never for Gundy? You know, Gundhy's been there forever. He's

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01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: only won one conference title. Doesn't mean he hasn't had

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Speaker 1: good teams. He has, but it's been a minute. It's

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01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: been a minute since they actually had a trophy to

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Speaker 1: put in the case. And his sentiment was overwhelming. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of how it feels. You know, there's a

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Speaker 1: ton of returning production. It seems like the schedule is

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: set up well, this is a conference that nobody knows

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01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: what to expect out of it. By the way it

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01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: played out that way, mm hmm. Yeah, that was Scott's impression.

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Speaker 1: That it's either going to be this year or it's done,

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Speaker 1: so maybe not at all. There is some level of impatience.

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Speaker 1: And the other question that we put to him, especially

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Speaker 1: because of conference realignment, was how much was it just

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01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: Oklahoma standing in Oklahoma State's way as opposed to Mike

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01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: Gundy or Oklahomahoma State or the way that they're building

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01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: the roster is standing in the way of success. It

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Speaker 1: was so bad last year. I don't know if we

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Speaker 1: haven't answered to that question yet.

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Speaker 2: And that's coming off of a Big twelve title appearance.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it was so bad last year that I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we can even answer the question.

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Speaker 2: So vibes aren't good.

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Speaker 1: No, there's no way you can spin what happened last

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Speaker 1: year and put a happy face on it.

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Speaker 2: You just can't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, they wanted him out, somebody

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Speaker 1: wanted him out. They forced him to a decision. Mike

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Speaker 1: Gundhy is now coming back, but there's a lot walking

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Speaker 1: out the door. I don't know who half the guys

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Speaker 1: are on this roster. I'm not even going to pretend

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Speaker 1: to act like I do.

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Speaker 2: Right, They've had Sam Jackson coming in for school TCU

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Speaker 2: to cal to Auburn to Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 1: I guess Zane Flores will be healthy. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: sucks that he went down good in October of year

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01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: ago and needed a season anting surgery. But like, unless

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01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: there are these guys that just come out of nowhere

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01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: and propel this team into a different in stratus here

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Speaker 1: than we saw this past season, I just get rid

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Speaker 1: of Gundy.

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Speaker 2: Man like fifteen million dollars to buy him out. I

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01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: believe any of these next three seasons he will be

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01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: involved with fundraising and the succession plan. If that's the case,

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01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: that's part of the new deal, figuring out who his

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Speaker 2: replacement is. They had bad defensive Aiight, do you even

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Speaker 2: trust him with that? I trust that, unless things have

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01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: soured to a crazy extent behind the scenes, that he

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01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: wants the best for his alma mater. Yeah, that he

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 2: could shift into some sort of emeritis role like we've

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01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: seen from a lot of coaches, especially if they have

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01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: deep connection to where they're coaching.

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Speaker 1: Sure, it's just like it's been a minute since Gundy

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01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: hired an assistant that I felt great about. You know,

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01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: they tried the Brian Nardo experience on defense. That didn't work. No,

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Speaker 1: it was a risky proposite. It didn't work.

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Speaker 2: They when they made the move to internally hire Casey Dunn,

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: the receivers coach to offensive coordinator, Like, who are you

1202
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: competing against to hire him to, you know, as as

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Speaker 2: your coordinator. That's the question. That's why I asked the question.

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Speaker 2: Do you I know, I'm with you.

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01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: Do you trust that he's going to be the guy

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Speaker 1: to name the successor?

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Speaker 2: I I think he's involved. I don't think it's his

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 2: decision only, so yeah, I trust him to have the

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01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 2: best of Oklahoma State in mind. I don't know man.

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01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: Alan Bowman was benched last year in the middle of October.

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01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: Like everything's just I have down here by the way

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Speaker 2: vibes of it's a cocktail of shaky, desperate and sure

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01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: why not? Sure? Why not? Let's like they have aughts

1214
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: in stadium in week two in Oregon. I know it's

1215
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: easy to second guess.

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Speaker 1: It's always, especially two idiots like us sitting in our

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01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: basements behind a microphone wearing ath leisure.

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing chinos right now, Ty, I'm not. I am

1219
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: dedicated to the feeling business like this is why I.

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Speaker 1: Committed to working from home I'm not worried that stuff.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it should be noted in the event,

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01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: right in the event of crash, in the event that

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01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State is fine. They're not good, but they're fine,

1224
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: that their act is together at enough positions that they're fine,

1225
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: which they probably will be if they are fine. Their

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01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: Big Twelve schedule is not the worst. There's no TCU,

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: there's no Colorado, there's no Arizona State, there's no BYU.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying TI. I'm saying they could be a

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01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: bad team with an average record because of their schedule.

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Speaker 2: And look at the schedule. I'm not wrong.

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: No, I'm looking at it right now. This is this

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01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: is what.

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Speaker 2: Those four teams are not on the schedule.

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Speaker 1: This is what you want, right.

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Speaker 2: No TCU, Colorado, a SU B YU. I think I

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Speaker 2: got that correct.

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Speaker 1: Tough AND's up.

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Speaker 2: It's a backloaded schedule for sure. Yeah, there's that.

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Speaker 1: What I was going to say is, I don't think

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01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: they should have brought Gunny back, but that's not my

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01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: decision to make. No, I mean, I think that's probably

1242
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: brought him back. I understand why they would. It's anytime

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01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: you've had a coach who's been that successful and has

1244
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: been there that long, especially in alum like it's that's

1245
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: a tough decision to make. I don't envy being the

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01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: one to have to make it.

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Speaker 2: Well, They also weren't going into last season unless he

1248
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: had indicated that he was thinking of retiring. They probably

1249
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: didn't go into twenty twenty four thinking this is likely

1250
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: it for him. Let's start backchanneling and figuring out which coordinators,

1251
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 2: which smaller head coaches, whoever have interest in this job.

1252
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: Though that may have been the case in November that

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01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: they started back channeling and they're like, we don't think

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01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 2: that so and so or what's his name is an

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01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: adequate enough obvious improvement to pay this buyout. So we

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01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: will start putting out the feelers now thinking this might

1257
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: be his last season, and let it be known that

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Speaker 2: we're looking for somebody new. Potentially if Gundy doesn't work

1259
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: out this year, then you maybe you're sort of fishing

1260
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: in a bigger pond. Oh yes, for interest. So maybe

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Speaker 2: that's the difference here.

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Speaker 1: Hey, they thought they were going to the Big twelve

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: title game. I thought they were going to the Big

1264
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Speaker 1: twelve title game. They at least thought they were going

1265
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: to be in that conversation. Sure never happened. No, lost

1266
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: every game in conference last year. Just crazy. Yep? All right,

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Speaker 1: Wagen solverbogmail dot com. Hit us up on social media.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: We hot American summer. By the way, what's that? Have

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Speaker 2: you seen? Wet hot American summer? Just speaking of the state? No,

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Speaker 2: ax Man, Amy Poehler.

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Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I've heard of it. Obviously I've heard

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Speaker 1: of it.

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01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: No, michaeliam Black like this just if you like those types.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 2: I have to check it out, really really good. Paul

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Speaker 2: Rudd is in it. It's weird, but it's super funny,

1278
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Speaker 2: and it's never you know, people from the state. So

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Speaker 2: that's all. Why don't we leave it there again?

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Speaker 1: Soliverbod gmail dot com is the email if you want

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01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: to leave us comment, let us know your thoughts and

1282
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: what we had to say. There are also plenty of

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Speaker 1: platforms out there now, or you can comment directly on

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Speaker 1: this episode. You know it works that way. We post

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Speaker 1: our episodes out on YouTube, but you could do it

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Speaker 1: on Spotify depending on your app of choice. You can

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Speaker 1: post it there too. We do make our way around

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Speaker 1: the interwebs. We read all of those comments. We do

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Speaker 1: our best to internalize the ones that make sense, so

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Speaker 1: we would encourage you to keep it coming. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to our friends on Reddit. By the way, on Reddit,

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Speaker 1: friends on Reddit, we got a huge contingent of our

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Speaker 1: ballers out there on promoting the verbal, promoting independent voices

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Speaker 1: in a way that the college football Playoff would not.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you, We love you. Thank you redditors. Truly, truly,

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Speaker 2: they have.

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Speaker 1: The ability to impact this whole operation more than anybody

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Speaker 1: because of the kind words, because of putting our name

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Speaker 1: out there in front of people who aren't familiar with

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Speaker 1: the solid verbale. You know, we're We're a big into

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Speaker 1: Penn Show. We've done well for ourselves here, but we

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Speaker 1: always want to try and grow the footprint. And to

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Speaker 1: our friends out there posting on our behalf and say

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Speaker 1: nice things about us, just know that we see you,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate it, and you really do have a chance

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Speaker 1: to make a big impact on what we do in

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Speaker 1: this coming season. So thank you.

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Speaker 2: So if you're not on Reddit, what would be the

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Speaker 2: next most impactful place to talk us up without seeming spammy?

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Speaker 2: And is it going on? The most popular videos on

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Speaker 2: Pornhub commenting underneath them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that would have the impact, To

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, I think just telling your friends,

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Speaker 1: you know, captive audience, tell your friends, you know podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts grow by word of mouth. That's like the main way. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so just just tell your peeps, your group chats, your

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Speaker 1: text threads, get them in the verbal, you know, let

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Speaker 1: us know, let us know their names, let us know

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Speaker 1: your names. If you're a new listener, we're doing work

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Speaker 1: here in the off season, trying to keep it as

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Speaker 1: exciting as we can and interesting as we can. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: this needle for you. But yeah, I don't know. Just

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Speaker 1: tell people that, you know, man, you don't got to

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Speaker 1: go out there and spam with the mail or social

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Speaker 1: media or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Just do not go on porn ub and say something

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Speaker 2: like speaking of two excited guys. Okay, you might want

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Speaker 2: to check out Dan and Tie on the solid verbal.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. If I look at our website, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I see a link coming in from that web,

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Speaker 1: that'll be oh.

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Speaker 2: Man and launches us into the stratosphere.

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Speaker 1: We did a Lex Steele on the show.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: We're porn hub adjacent.

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Speaker 2: Oh my God, speaking of doing weird things in a basement. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: on that note, sorry, I'm a bad person for that

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Speaker 2: guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for my self,

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Speaker 2: tie Hilt and brand. Weigh and let us know your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: We always appreciate it. In the meantime, we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you a little bit later on this week's Face slid

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Speaker 1: Pace