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Speaker 2: So do you know anything about the final episode of
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Speaker 2: Practically, no, no, it was not. But the last episode
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Speaker 2: gets beamed aboard the US as Enterprise. What and there
Speaker 2: he is the new one, the new like the new
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Speaker 2: klingon with the wrinkled head. So Webster's chilling with him.
Speaker 2: And yes, it's like a wait.
Speaker 3: So that those universes overlap.
Speaker 2: Apparently, so Webster is part of the official Star Trek
Speaker 2: cannon because he was like there on like the bridge,
Speaker 2: like he's not just like they don't come down to
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Speaker 3: He goes, and then just the rest of his family
Speaker 3: is like, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: And then he gets like a featured like in the
Speaker 2: Next Generation episode essentially because there's also it's like a
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 3: Well then they just kill them off. What happened after?
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. I want to know what
Speaker 2: web because remember they're also in different centuries. So this
Speaker 2: is like the second time Star Trek has gone back
Speaker 2: to the eighties, because they do it in Star Trek
Speaker 2: four with the Whales with the original cast and then
Speaker 2: the new cast, like we're also going back to the
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Speaker 2: I know you heard that.
Speaker 3: I know I told you recently about Popcorn Sutton. I
Speaker 3: loved him down in Dirty Bootlegger Moonshine, Oh, I love it.
Speaker 3: He was the best. He was a rascal went through
Speaker 3: and that's par for the course when it comes to
Speaker 3: like the bootlegging type. Sure, yeah, but not always all
Speaker 3: always for book counts. I have a guy for you
Speaker 3: today who runs that full Vonnegut story arc on the
Speaker 3: chalkboard that used to do. His story is a roller
Speaker 3: coaster and a study in human nature and redemption. Today,
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you all about Roy Olmsted So.
Speaker 3: He was born in eighteen eighty six to a good
Speaker 3: family in Beaver City, Nebraska.
Speaker 2: Beaver City, Nebraska, beaver City, population fourteen Salt.
Speaker 3: Of the Earth nineteen oh four. He's eighteen years old
Speaker 3: and he picked up stakes, and he moved to Seattle. Why,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The railroad went there, sure.
Speaker 3: And once there, well, I mean it was like he
Speaker 3: was going to start the grunge movement. Yeah, he gets
Speaker 3: there and he becomes a police officer, as you do.
Speaker 2: So Seattle, which has a notoriously like suspect police department
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 3: He was a cop in Seattle around the same time
Speaker 3: my great great grandpa was a cop in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: And so while my police organization, well my ancestor was
Speaker 3: as crooked as they come, Olmsted was a straight arrow.
Speaker 3: He worked his way up to lieutenant or as they say,
Speaker 3: across the pond lieutenant. I just love saying that.
Speaker 2: Also, by the way, on West coast police departments, you
Speaker 2: ever wondered why there's not a lot of big mob
Speaker 2: organization on the West Coast because the police were doing
Speaker 2: They were in charge of the squad, in charge of
Speaker 2: the vice.
Speaker 3: Yes, we got lock exactly. They're like, this is our turf.
Speaker 3: The Seattle Post Intelligencer had this like later profile of him,
Speaker 3: and they said he had quote a knack for police work,
Speaker 3: and he impressed superiors with his professionalism and intelligence. He
Speaker 3: dutifully participated in busts and raids of rum smugglers and
Speaker 3: noted when members of the quote Dry Squad were arrested
Speaker 3: for stealing from the confiscated goods or taking bribes, were saying, yeah,
Speaker 3: so he squealed on his coworkers.
Speaker 2: Well you know he got it, Rye squad.
Speaker 3: I see who you are. He's a snitch. This is
Speaker 3: before prohibition, mind you, because in nineteen sixteen Washington State
Speaker 3: banned alcohol.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Early, they were early on.
Speaker 3: The three years ahead of the curve.
Speaker 2: So because those boomtowns, you know, they were.
Speaker 3: Suffering through heavens. Yeah, So then prohibition kicked in nationwide
Speaker 3: and that became Olmsted's like primary focus is a big job.
Speaker 3: And sharing a border with Canada meant that Washington and
Speaker 3: Seattle were a main point of entry for booze as
Speaker 3: it made its way into the state.
Speaker 2: All those waterways. Oh yeah, you can imagine.
Speaker 3: So Olmsted saw what he was attempting to dismantle. So
Speaker 3: there's this huge market willing to pay above top dollar
Speaker 3: for liquor, and then the bootleggers are like kind of
Speaker 3: disorganized and almost bumbling, and so we have this huge
Speaker 3: treasure trove of high quality alcohol just miles away. He
Speaker 3: couldn't help but see the situation and the opportunity. He
Speaker 3: was organized, he's driven, he's creative in his thinking, like
Speaker 3: he's the man for the job.
Speaker 2: He's like, wait a minute, on the wrong.
Speaker 3: Side of this, So he figures like I'm a dip
Speaker 3: my toe in per the New Yorker quote. In nineteen twenty,
Speaker 3: with the onset of prohibition, the thirty three year old
Speaker 3: married father of two ventured to the other side of
Speaker 3: the law, making midnight runs to retrieve imported Canadian liquor
Speaker 3: from tugboats in the Puget Sound.
Speaker 2: Oh there you go, so woo.
Speaker 3: He's off to the races until he March twenty second,
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty two months.
Speaker 2: After prohibition at the beginning.
Speaker 3: Into effect, he got busted.
Speaker 2: Three months he had.
Speaker 3: Managed to like skip around all these roadblocks that were
Speaker 3: set up by the cops. But then he was eventually spotted, recognized, arrested.
Speaker 2: Early because I mean, he's busting other people, and then
Speaker 2: they make it officially. He's like, okay, let me get
Speaker 2: in on this.
Speaker 3: And now that it's a federal crime to get busted.
Speaker 3: So he lost his job obviously, and he wound up
Speaker 3: pleading guilty, had to pay a five hundred dollars fine,
Speaker 3: and he may have lost his job and some cash,
Speaker 3: but he gained the respect and admiration of the public
Speaker 3: and he became a folk hero.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 3: Everyone loved the fact that this cop flipped over and
Speaker 3: was running booze. They're like, this is great. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: a folk here working for us, Yes, and he can't
Speaker 3: just abandon his calling, like what makes him the celebrity
Speaker 3: he is, So he went all in. He headed up
Speaker 3: to Canada to do some deals. Okay, so, thanks to
Speaker 3: prohibition and like other economic forces, Canada and Mexico were
Speaker 3: starting to establish trade relations and Olmsteed won it in
Speaker 3: on that kind of He went up to Canada under
Speaker 3: the pretense of buying liquor for import into Mexico. He
Speaker 3: was going to be a middleman.
Speaker 2: So they're cutting out the US and it'd be like,
Speaker 2: we both still drink.
Speaker 3: We're civilized, we can where adults were grown. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: can handle our whiskey and tequila, right, And he's like, guys,
Speaker 3: I'll be your import export dude, Like I'm your middleman
Speaker 3: and I'm just trying to get Canada's quality stock to
Speaker 3: the good folks down Mexico Way, and the Canadians are
Speaker 3: like capital idea, let's do it. And then they all
Speaker 3: high fived and signed the deal is amazing. So Olmsted
Speaker 3: bought his cargo, had it loaded onto ships with manifests
Speaker 3: indicating Mexico as the destination. And what I would imagine
Speaker 3: was probably like port of Lazaro Cardenas in Machoicon. That's
Speaker 3: like the big dog one down there. So as the
Speaker 3: ships were heading out to the Pacific Ocean via the
Speaker 3: Salish Sea, they made a detour and they would slip
Speaker 3: into the Puget Sound under cover of darkness, never making
Speaker 3: it to the open water the Pacific, never making it
Speaker 3: south of Washington State, never went down to Mexico. The sound.
Speaker 3: Puget Sound is full of islands and inlets and coats,
Speaker 3: and some more difficult to access than others. So he
Speaker 3: had crews at a bunch of locations all along the sound,
Speaker 3: tucked in where like nosy, lookie louse couldn't see it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, you know, it's like gray skies,
Speaker 2: it's like lots of day.
Speaker 3: And so they were there to intercept that Canadian liquor
Speaker 3: for sale. And distribution right here in the US of A.
Speaker 3: So Olmsted had this whole network of guys, rum runners
Speaker 3: in their fast boats. He had heavies to carry the
Speaker 3: boxes of booze from the boats to waiting cars and trucks,
Speaker 3: drivers to speed down back roads. Workers on a farm
Speaker 3: that served as a storage facility, loading and unloading the
Speaker 3: disguised payload in the barns.
Speaker 2: His distribution centers.
Speaker 3: Say, insiders at bars and restaurants and speakeasies like get
Speaker 3: up one to pay.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He had lawyers, dispatchers, clerks. The ships had skippers
Speaker 3: and navigators. There were bottlers for the wholesale purchases. He
Speaker 3: was a systems loaders, drivers, deliveryment, bill collectors, salesmen, all
Speaker 3: part of the Olmsted machine. And as Shirley Manson saying
Speaker 3: in Garbage, I'm only happy when it rains. That was Olmsted, like.
Speaker 3: He loved bad Seattle weather. That's his favorite, yeah, because
Speaker 3: that's when the Coastguard was least likely to be on patrol.
Speaker 3: And so one location he loved to use when the
Speaker 3: weather was bad was Darcy Island, and it's in this
Speaker 3: strait right off Vancouver Island. It was used as a
Speaker 3: leper colony for Chinese immigrants up until nineteen twenty four,
Speaker 3: and that's around when he's using it. So we call
Speaker 3: leprosy Hanson's disease today. Yeah. In other words, a lazaretto
Speaker 3: is what this was. And when they closed it, they
Speaker 3: moved the last remaining five or so afflicted to another island,
Speaker 3: and that one was tending to an outbreak of Hanson's
Speaker 3: among duke Bores. You ever heard of them? No, you're
Speaker 3: curious like I was when reading about this in an
Speaker 3: old newspaper. Thanks to newspapers dot Com. Check this out.
Speaker 3: So the duke Bors translates to spirit wrestlers, and they
Speaker 3: are spiritual Christian ethno religious group of Russian origin, strict pacifists.
Speaker 3: They believe in egalitarianism, They reject institutional church authority.
Speaker 2: Were were they the Newdists?
Speaker 3: No? No, So they ran from religious persecution in Russia
Speaker 3: made their way to Western Canada around the turn of
Speaker 3: the twentieth century. But they refused to take an oath
Speaker 3: of allegiance to the British crown, and they didn't believe
Speaker 3: in individual land ownership, just communal living. So they made
Speaker 3: their way to the west coutine and boundary regions of
Speaker 3: British Columbia where people would just leave alone. So then
Speaker 3: they had this outbreak of leprosy of Hanson's disease, and
Speaker 3: they had to be isolated and put on a lazaretto
Speaker 3: on an island in the Sound. So back at Darcy Island,
Speaker 3: I think Olmsted was using the island in the final
Speaker 3: days of the colony and then after it shuttered, so
Speaker 3: there would be all these row houses along the shore,
Speaker 3: newly empty and like makeshift graves still fresh. Wow, and
Speaker 3: these loading and people. I was reading up on the
Speaker 3: island as part of my dedication to side Quest, and
Speaker 3: I found this really interesting article in British Columbia magazine
Speaker 3: about it. It's like it's a tragic place, obviously, and
Speaker 3: the author even admits that it carries like a strange,
Speaker 3: ominous energy to this day. But for our purposes here today,
Speaker 3: this bit I found helpful. Quote. Below, the water around
Speaker 3: the island's shores lurk numerous hazards, while above it erratic
Speaker 3: moody currents break on reefs and shoals. George Mercer, who
Speaker 3: was an ecologist with Parks Canada for more than three
Speaker 3: decades before retiring in twenty twelve, knows Darcy Island. Well,
Speaker 3: it's notorious. When there's a tide, you can see it
Speaker 3: from the air, and it's just wild. You have ripped
Speaker 3: tides all around, submerged rocks and powerful tides and currents.
Speaker 3: Boaters and kayakers have to really choose their time. Mercer,
Speaker 3: who has since retired, has now turned his hand to
Speaker 3: writing popular mysteries based on some of these parks. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: so that's so Darcy Island. It's super treacherous. But he's
Speaker 3: got all these guys who know everything like the back
Speaker 3: of their hands, and they're willing to go on to
Speaker 3: this spooky island with terrible conditions.
Speaker 2: Oh and it's not like the wet leprosy like there's bandages.
Speaker 2: It's all past. So it's just no real danger to
Speaker 2: the people.
Speaker 3: At this point in the papers when I was looking
Speaker 3: it up, they're like they had hit like a treatment
Speaker 3: for it. Okay, And so that was what made a
Speaker 3: big change why they were able to kind. But you
Speaker 3: know the at Darcy Island when it was the Chinese
Speaker 3: immigrants there, they people went once a year to give
Speaker 3: them or twice a year something you had to supplies,
Speaker 3: and then when they finally got a treatment, then they
Speaker 3: dropped doctors and treated them, and then like you know,
Speaker 3: we're able to kind of move forward. And like I said,
Speaker 3: they took the last remaining people put them over in
Speaker 3: the other lazaretto. But so we got Darcy Island and
Speaker 3: there's Olmsted's gang unloading four thousand sacks of whiskey at
Speaker 3: a time onto the shore, waiting for quick boats to
Speaker 3: take smaller loads into Puget Sound. So everyone from his
Speaker 3: fellow crooks to the federal agents pursuing him called Olmsted
Speaker 3: quote the good bootlegger. Yeah, because he was as honest
Speaker 3: a criminal as there could be. So he never watered
Speaker 3: down his whiskey or blended it with cheap or like
Speaker 3: poisonous filler. He stuck solely to running alcohol. More than
Speaker 3: once he was offered entrance into other criminal enterprises drugs,
Speaker 3: prostitution always declined. And what puts him in the ridiculous
Speaker 3: crime Hall of Mummayhn is that he was never violent.
Speaker 3: He told his men that if they were caught, they
Speaker 3: needed to use bribes. No violence, It's like economic violence.
Speaker 2: Okay. So he was just like Johnny applesy for liquor.
Speaker 3: Yes, and he wouldn't let any of his organization carry weapons.
Speaker 3: And he was known to say, quote, no amount of
Speaker 3: money is worth a human life. That's what you would
Speaker 3: tell him. Right.
Speaker 2: So here here, mummy, yeah right.
Speaker 3: So it's the early nineteen twenties. His business is booming.
Speaker 3: Guys making two hundred grand a month. Do you want
Speaker 3: me to blow your socks off, Sarian, that's almost four
Speaker 3: million today a month a month.
Speaker 2: Drug dealing, zim, Yeah, it is so drug deal.
Speaker 3: It wasn't Harlem exactly. It wasn't surprising then that he
Speaker 3: was one of the biggest employers in all of Seattle.
Speaker 2: Oh magine, Washington state. Other than logging.
Speaker 3: He had the mayor Doc Brown in his pocket. He
Speaker 3: was buddies with the chief of Police Brown, Doc Brown. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He could pretty much conduct business out in the open.
Speaker 3: It was no big deal. And it got to the
Speaker 3: point where he could like unload whiskey in the middle
Speaker 3: of the day from trucks marked fresh fish. It didn't matter.
Speaker 3: According to according to Seattle's NPR station k u o
Speaker 3: W quote, he was very approachable if you saw him
Speaker 3: on the street and wanted to talk to him. You
Speaker 3: could stop and take a picture with you, or shake
Speaker 3: your hand, chat with you for a bit.
Speaker 2: Just a nice guy, an amiable officer, friendly who's now
Speaker 2: a run runner.
Speaker 3: No one got in his way, and not because he
Speaker 3: was a tough guy. He was just charismatic, straightforward. He
Speaker 3: knew what people wanted. Both booze and a legendary figure
Speaker 3: to talk about. Back to k U O W quote.
Speaker 3: The founders of a major airplane manufacturer were customers reputedly
Speaker 3: at a prominent gentlemen's club in downtown Seattle. Was a
Speaker 3: customer of Olmsted, as were speakeasies all over town, from
Speaker 3: those in the central district to those in the city's
Speaker 3: most exclusive neighborhoods. It really was. Olmsted really served a
Speaker 3: clientele that covered the demographic bases of our city. Seattle
Speaker 3: was a boomtown in the nineteen twenties. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the president of Seattle before it
Speaker 2: was a town? These spikes of hills and they're not
Speaker 2: like hills, are like.
Speaker 3: Crazy, exactly exactly. Let's stop for a second. Imagine what
Speaker 3: Seattle in the twenties must have been like spikes of hills, boomtown.
Speaker 2: Log roll like the actual skid row. They had an
Speaker 2: actual skid row.
Speaker 3: So let's daydream a little and when we come back,
Speaker 3: more of the Olmsted machine. Sarah Elizabeth, where was I?
Speaker 2: Where were you?
Speaker 3: I was Roy Olmstead. So he is a big deal
Speaker 3: running a big operation. He had an office in downtown Seattle,
Speaker 3: one block from the Federal Building.
Speaker 2: M hm uh.
Speaker 3: And there were three telephone lines installed in his office,
Speaker 3: which was like a big deal totally. According to the
Speaker 3: New Yorker quote, one of his men, a former taxi dispatcher,
Speaker 3: sat during business hours at a roll top desk, taking
Speaker 3: and making calls, keeping meticulous records of each transaction. If
Speaker 3: a serious matter arose, such as an employee's arrest, Olmsted
Speaker 3: himself called a friend on the Seattle Police Force to
Speaker 3: have it squashed.
Speaker 2: Of course, he's got tons of friends on these Yeah,
Speaker 2: he is a former coworkers. I mean yeah. So it's
Speaker 2: like and he didn't go out badly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I got I like fire on police.
Speaker 2: He didn't like beat anybody up. He didn't take anybody
Speaker 2: down with him.
Speaker 3: And you know they're all thinking the same thing, like
Speaker 3: this is easy money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like there's some pool money.
Speaker 3: So at this point he's only interacting with Seattle PD.
Speaker 3: But then the Feds got window. There was just too
Speaker 3: much alcohol flowing through Seattle like something had to be done,
Speaker 3: and the FEDS loved busting guys like him, so the
Speaker 3: Feds descended on Seattle. They had developed quite a wiretap
Speaker 3: system by this point, and sometime in nineteen twenty four
Speaker 3: they wired Olmsted.
Speaker 2: Oh so we're still prehover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So a guy dressed in the uniform of a
Speaker 3: telephone repairman went into Olmsted's office building. He got the
Speaker 3: place all wired up and slipped out and they started
Speaker 3: listening and listening, and then Mayor Doc Brown went out
Speaker 3: of town for a week. Perfect opportunity. So the Feds
Speaker 3: they got to acting Mayor Bertha Landis and pulled her
Speaker 3: in on the operation. She fired the corrupt chief of
Speaker 3: police and tried to close every single speakeasy.
Speaker 2: I says, he's a real tea total I'll give you
Speaker 2: the warrants.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Then the Feds swooped in and went after every
Speaker 3: illicit operation they could. Seattle's prohibition director, William Whitney, he
Speaker 3: hired this freelance wire tapper, Richard Fryant, that's a job
Speaker 3: to say you have freelance wire tapper. So after a
Speaker 3: couple days, Fryant goes up to Olmsted, holds out this
Speaker 3: heavy stack of paper and he's like, these are the
Speaker 3: pages of verbatim transcripts of conversations from your office phone.
Speaker 3: And Fryan's like, you can have them. This is the
Speaker 3: only copy for ten grand. So it's like two hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars today, and so he lets Olmsted flip through
Speaker 3: to make sure they're the real deal. This is from
Speaker 3: The New Yorker. A call from a cop to a
Speaker 3: worker at Olmsted's headquarters down under Fifth Avenue Bridge is
Speaker 3: a car with seven gallons of moonshine in it, and
Speaker 3: I was wondering if it's yours. No, I don't think
Speaker 3: it's ours, because we don't handle moonshine. A call from
Speaker 3: Olmsted to the police station. Hello, Roy, what's on your mind?
Speaker 3: One of your fellows picked up one of my boys.
Speaker 3: I don't give a damn what they do, but I
Speaker 3: wanted to know before he's booked. I'll take care of
Speaker 3: it for you, Roy. A joking stange between Olmsted and
Speaker 3: the dispatcher. The Federals will get you one of these days. No,
Speaker 3: those sons are too slow to catch cold Olmsted equipped,
Speaker 3: so he keeps as cool, right, he's reading on, reading on.
Speaker 3: He's not ruffled because he'd been a cop. He knew
Speaker 3: about evidence, and he knew what was admissible, and wire
Speaker 3: tapping was illegal in the state of Washington. Oh really,
Speaker 3: none of this would stick. Yeah, So he told Fryant
Speaker 3: to kick rocks. Just get out of here, dude.
Speaker 2: But it's not gonna be stayed charges, right, It's gonna
Speaker 2: be federal charges.
Speaker 3: So he gets back to the office and he's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I still not feeling good about this.
Speaker 3: He shouldn't, so he hires a telephone guy to come
Speaker 3: search the building for bugs. The guy finds three taps,
Speaker 3: temporary ones, not like hardwired soldered in two in the basement,
Speaker 3: one in the ladies room, and so they disconnected them
Speaker 3: from the lines that were running through the ceiling. The
Speaker 3: next day, Olmstead goes back and checks again. The taps
Speaker 3: are back. Oh yeah, yeah. So he used a payphone
Speaker 3: from then on to coordinate the arrival of boats and
Speaker 3: Puget Sound, and like sometimes he would still use the
Speaker 3: office phone, but he would do it to like fake
Speaker 3: arrangements and insult the Prohibition director, William Whitney. So finally
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, get a load of this, write this
Speaker 3: one down, Mayor. Doc Brown returns, right, he's only gone.
Speaker 3: He's been a heck of a week. He reinstated the
Speaker 3: police chief. Everything went back to normal. He's just like, no,
Speaker 3: he knock this up, like interim mayor. Think was going
Speaker 3: to go down, like she was going to win over
Speaker 3: the city, the temperance movement. I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So Roy had been married to a woman named Viola,
Speaker 3: and things were on the rocks. They divorced in August
Speaker 3: of nineteen twenty four, and then he turned around and
Speaker 3: married a woman named Elise Campbell. And it all happened
Speaker 3: so fast that you can see why the marriage was
Speaker 3: on the rocks.
Speaker 2: Oh right, she Canadian with her last name Campbell.
Speaker 3: No, she she was originally from England.
Speaker 2: Oh what about her?
Speaker 3: Yeah, England. In nineteen twenty two, she got a job
Speaker 3: as a bookkeeper for Olmsted twenty two two, and then
Speaker 3: she also at the same time became an informant for
Speaker 3: the government against his bootlegging operation. But then she fell
Speaker 3: in love with him. She quit her informant gig, the
Speaker 3: divided loyalty, and they got married. They moved into this
Speaker 3: place that they called snow White's Palace. That's not to
Speaker 3: be confused with snow White's Cottage in Seattle, and that
Speaker 3: was built after that and is like a novelty Disney
Speaker 3: house that I think might be like an Airbnb. Now, okay,
Speaker 3: Now this was his was a big house in the
Speaker 3: posh Mount Baker neighborhood of Seattle. Four beds, three baths,
Speaker 3: forty three hundred square feet. I found it on Zillo,
Speaker 3: but there aren't any pictures because it hasn't been on
Speaker 3: the market in the ages. So the couple, they're living
Speaker 3: the dream. They even started a radio station called KFQX
Speaker 3: in a spare room of their residence, okay, and it
Speaker 3: was only on for four hours every evening. They did
Speaker 3: news reports, weather stocks, that sort of thing. But the
Speaker 3: most popular element was a show called Aunt Vivian. And
Speaker 3: this is where Elise Olmsted would read children's bedtime stories
Speaker 3: out loud. So Sarah, close your eyes, Oh yes, I
Speaker 3: want you to picture it. You are a five year
Speaker 3: old girl. An only child, you are doted on by
Speaker 3: your parents. Your bedtime is seven pm, but on some
Speaker 3: nights you're allowed to stay up a little later. On
Speaker 3: those nights, at seven point fifteen, a show that you
Speaker 3: love comes on the radio. Your papa likes to listen
Speaker 3: to it too. It's Aunt Vivian. She tells the most
Speaker 3: wonderful stories in such a gentle English accent. It may
Speaker 3: kind of sound like a woman from California fighting for
Speaker 3: her life to do. An English accent that's all over
Speaker 3: the place and not grounded in any true location. An
Speaker 3: accent that is offensive to the ears, if not the sensibilities.
Speaker 3: I mean, that woman would know she's terrible with accents
Speaker 3: and should just skip it. But yolo, baby, what does
Speaker 3: all this chatter in your head? What does any of
Speaker 3: this mean? Whatever? Your radio shows about to start, You
Speaker 3: curl up on your father's lap as he sits in
Speaker 3: his chair in the living room. He turns the knob
Speaker 3: on the radio and a signal.
Speaker 4: Comes to you.
Speaker 3: The tinkling of the piano tells you that Aunt Vivian
Speaker 3: is about to begin. Your father grabs his notepad and
Speaker 3: pencil from the side table, like he always does. He
Speaker 3: loves writing down bits from the story, the parts that
Speaker 3: he really likes. He says he reads them back later
Speaker 3: when he wants to remember what a good story it was.
Speaker 3: You can't wait until you learn to read and write
Speaker 3: so that you can do the same thing. Right now,
Speaker 3: you can only pick out some of the words and numbers,
Speaker 3: but you don't know how to write them yourself.
Speaker 5: Hello, children, Tonight I have for you a story about
Speaker 5: a beautiful maple tree. It is a story of hope
Speaker 5: and delivery. Once there was a strong maple tree standing
Speaker 5: mighty in the north. This was a special tree, for
Speaker 5: its syrup was magical and very expensive. It was prized
Speaker 5: throughout the land. The woodsmen would collect the syrup in
Speaker 5: bottles and pack them up and send them out to
Speaker 5: the people. But sometimes the evil wolves would swoop in
Speaker 5: and grab the bottles of syrup, leaving nothing for all
Speaker 5: the creatures in the forest. The otters got tired of this.
Speaker 5: They'd heard that the bears who lived in the south
Speaker 5: wanted some syrup. They said they would be brave and
Speaker 5: fight the wolves. They just needed help on the waterways
Speaker 5: from the otters and the cranes.
Speaker 3: You close your eyes and envision these animals, each with
Speaker 3: their own job and talent. Get on with it, your
Speaker 3: dad mutters.
Speaker 5: On this day, a beautiful autumn evening, the third Sunday
Speaker 5: in September, the woodsmen stacked their bottles of syrup into
Speaker 5: crates before the wolves could come and steal them. The
Speaker 5: otters slipped four cases down to the water's edge.
Speaker 3: Your father's scribbles on his pad. You can't read much
Speaker 3: of it, but you do see the number four and
Speaker 3: two zero's.
Speaker 5: Pulling the crates onto their bellies, the otters glided through
Speaker 5: the water on their backs, transporting the crates past a
Speaker 5: harbor of oaks, a bank of green, and finally to
Speaker 5: a beach filled with sunlight.
Speaker 3: Beside you, your father's scribbles furiously on his notepad. Oak harbor,
Speaker 3: green bank, sunlight beach.
Speaker 5: At this beach, the bears were waiting in a big
Speaker 5: green boat. They jumped to the shore and ran to
Speaker 5: the otters. Oh how they gamboled and skipped. They took
Speaker 5: the crates from the otters and gave them five large
Speaker 5: cabin in return. The otters waved goodbye and headed back home.
Speaker 5: The bears loaded everything into their boat and made their
Speaker 5: way through the dark waters, careful not to be seen.
Speaker 5: They knew that there were wolves that hide by the lighthouse.
Speaker 5: The bears asked themselves, is there a point? No, there
Speaker 5: is no point, But they took the boat ride anyway.
Speaker 5: Those bears are so silly.
Speaker 3: Your father scratches into his pad. Point no point, lighthouse sads.
Speaker 5: When they got to land, the bears shared the syrup
Speaker 5: with all of the creatures and the children. They threw
Speaker 5: a big pancake breakfast to celebrate evading the wolves. Every
Speaker 5: bear who helped save the syrup was rewarded with six
Speaker 5: silver dollar pancakes.
Speaker 3: Your dad raises his eyebrows and whistles. Is that a lot?
Speaker 3: You ask him? Sure is, darling, And now.
Speaker 5: Children are time is up. Go to sleep, little dreamers,
Speaker 5: and remember to be good little boys and girls. Mind
Speaker 5: your parents and always do the right thing.
Speaker 3: Good Night, you tell the radio lady goodnight. Your mother
Speaker 3: comes and tells you it's time for bed. Daddy has
Speaker 3: to work now. Your father comes to kiss you on
Speaker 3: the forehead as he shrugs into an old weather coat
Speaker 3: that smells of salt and sea air. Be a good
Speaker 3: girl now and go to bed, he tells you. You
Speaker 3: pad to your room, visions of bears and syrup in
Speaker 3: your head, the heavy footfall of your dad's work boots
Speaker 3: stopping out the back door, and that zaren is how
Speaker 3: Olmsted and his wife sent coated messages to the rum runners.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love this. I mean, using children's bedtime stories
Speaker 2: to pass your rum running bootlegging plans to your confederates
Speaker 2: and like having bears.
Speaker 3: And all around Seattle. Kids are listening to these stories,
Speaker 3: but so are the rum runners in there bus, and
Speaker 3: the stories told them when and where to drop the
Speaker 3: alcohol shipments. Now, there aren't any existing tapes of her recording,
Speaker 3: so it's not known exactly how the coded messages were done.
Speaker 3: I just took a stab at it. But it did inspire,
Speaker 3: thank you. I should try that for real. But it did.
Speaker 3: What if? What if most of what I say this.
Speaker 2: Was actually a code?
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll never know. It did inspire the Feds to
Speaker 3: broaden their net and then tap the phones at the
Speaker 3: Olmsted house, so they couldn't really figure out what was
Speaker 3: going on in the broadcast, but the radio stations at
Speaker 3: the house so they figured and.
Speaker 2: They didn't learn from any confederates who got caught that,
Speaker 2: like you need to check the radio that stuffs tanky
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Well, no, everyone zips it. Let's take a break when
Speaker 3: we come back. More wire tapping, all right, zaren Elizabeth
Speaker 3: roy Olmstead. So the Feds tapped his house and his
Speaker 3: office one more time, and I need to make it
Speaker 3: crystal clear that they never got a warrant for any
Speaker 3: of these wire taps. Wait, they also they found that
Speaker 3: farm that he was using for storage, distributing center rated it.
Speaker 3: They came away with one hundred and fifty one cases
Speaker 3: of whiskey, gin and champagne.
Speaker 2: Oh they didn't just break it open the axis.
Speaker 3: And they may have, but that's how that's how much
Speaker 3: they found there. Okay, a couple months later, which again
Speaker 3: is so wasteful to see those Why.
Speaker 2: Can't you just sell that to people who do drink
Speaker 2: him braise a little money for the crime fighting or whatever.
Speaker 3: Correctly, how about just abandon the whole effort. All it did.
Speaker 3: All prohibition did was like create more criminal networks in
Speaker 3: this country. It created new ones and it reinforced existing ones.
Speaker 2: It's generally what happened. And he tried to legislate morality.
Speaker 3: Exactly because exactly people are going to work around and.
Speaker 2: Where there's a will, there's going to be away. So
Speaker 2: now you just incentivized the word.
Speaker 3: Well, since the dawn of time, people have been fermenting
Speaker 3: making drinking.
Speaker 2: I think we made beer a thousand years before he
Speaker 2: made bread.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean here's the thing, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't drink, and I know people where the drink
Speaker 3: has ruined their lives. Oh yeah, figuratively and literally.
Speaker 2: But in all cases the dose makes the poison.
Speaker 3: But exactly. And you can't, like I also know people
Speaker 3: who my brother makes the livelihood out of it in
Speaker 3: his bar and like you can be enjoyed and be
Speaker 3: a wonderful thing, moderation and whatnot right because you can't.
Speaker 3: Oh god, it just irritates.
Speaker 2: Men into problem or just like I can't say.
Speaker 3: No, it's all about the middle path, zon.
Speaker 2: What do we like a couple of Buddhist hit the.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: But I mean it's every time we do one of
Speaker 3: these prohibition stories, it irritates me because it was just
Speaker 3: like everything so much, so much waste in like the
Speaker 3: time of federal employees, and then what happens is that
Speaker 3: then okay, then we lift it and now you have
Speaker 3: all these criminal networks that are like well, let's do
Speaker 3: other stuff's really lean into the old hair earning exactly.
Speaker 2: And then also people you're like, okay, that was silly,
Speaker 2: and then what are you supposed to just like forgive
Speaker 2: everyone people don't get all let out of jail and everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, what they're doing with marijuana exactly, Zam and
Speaker 3: I could go on and I'm all right, so what
Speaker 3: were we? Oh? So the Feds they raided the barn,
Speaker 3: and a couple months later they show up at Olmsted's
Speaker 3: house while he's having a party. There wasn't any booth,
Speaker 3: no booze there, but they did find like paperwork, keys, receipts,
Speaker 3: like they're like, you know, raiding the joint. I think.
Speaker 3: So one of the FEDS, the assistant Prohibition director for
Speaker 3: Washington State, this guy named William Whitney, along with his wife.
Speaker 3: He brought his wife and they pretended to be the
Speaker 3: Olmsteds and they called some of Roy's buddies and were like, hey,
Speaker 3: come over with whiskey right now. And they arrived and
Speaker 3: they were just arresting the guys who would show up.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, so Olmsted he got caught in nineteen
Speaker 3: twenty four by the Prohibition Bureau thanks to surveillance informants
Speaker 3: wiretap information. January nineteen twenty five, the federal grand jury
Speaker 3: returned a two count indictment against Olmsted and eighty nine
Speaker 3: other defendants. Huge so the case was referred to as
Speaker 3: the Whispering Wires case, and this was the first time
Speaker 3: the then new technology of wiretapping was used as evidence
Speaker 3: in a trial. Really, Yeah, it's a long way from
Speaker 3: there to Anthony pelicanum so per Seattle's Museum of History
Speaker 3: and Industry quote. The trial began in nineteen twenty six
Speaker 3: and was the largest in the country's history of liquor violations,
Speaker 3: with forty seven original defendants. Elise was eventually acquitted, but
Speaker 3: Roy was convicted and sentenced to four years in prison
Speaker 3: and find dollars. He appealed his conviction in a nineteen
Speaker 3: twenty eight landmark case on the grounds that wire tapping
Speaker 3: was unconstitutional based on the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: it went all the way to the United States Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Olmsted versus the United States Taste Law Yeah, was decided
Speaker 3: in February of nineteen twenty eight. It was a five
Speaker 3: to four decision. The court upheld Olmsted's conviction. Per the
Speaker 3: New Yorker, quote, Chief Justice William Howard Taft, speaking for
Speaker 3: the majority, recognized the murky morality of wire tapping. Nevertheless,
Speaker 3: he argued that the practice served a greater good. A
Speaker 3: standard which would forbid the reception of evidence, if obtained
Speaker 3: other than nice ethical conduct by government officials, would make
Speaker 3: society suffer and give criminals greater immunity than has been known. Heretofore,
Speaker 3: he wrote, he rejected the heart of Olmsted's case, insisting
Speaker 3: that the amendment does not forbid what was done here.
Speaker 3: There was no search, there was no seizure. The reasonable
Speaker 3: view is that one who installs in his house a
Speaker 3: telephone instrument with connecting wires intends to project his voice
Speaker 3: to those quite outside.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like the writes about your trash.
Speaker 2: Once you put your trash out, it's now public exactly,
Speaker 2: and you people cops can come along and gather your
Speaker 2: trash from right in front of your house.
Speaker 3: Right right. So Judge Lewis Brandeis, Oh wow. Brandeis wrote
Speaker 3: the Descent, and here's an excerpt from it. When the
Speaker 3: fourth and fifth amendments were adopted. Quote the form that
Speaker 3: evil had thereto fortaken end quote had been necessarily simple.
Speaker 3: Force and violence were then the only means known to
Speaker 3: man by which a government could directly affect self incrimination.
Speaker 3: It could compel the individual to testify, a compulsion affected,
Speaker 3: if need be, by torture. It could secure possession of
Speaker 3: his papers and other articles incident to his private life,
Speaker 3: a seizure affected, if need be, by breaking an entry.
Speaker 3: Protection against such invasion of quote the sanctities of a
Speaker 3: man's home and the privacies of life end quote was
Speaker 3: provided in the Fourth and fifth Amendments by specific language.
Speaker 3: But quote time works changes brings into existence new conditions
Speaker 3: and purposes end quote. Subtler and more far reaching means
Speaker 3: of invading privacy have become available to the government. Discovery
Speaker 3: and invention have made it possible for the government, by
Speaker 3: means far more effective than stretching upon the rack, to
Speaker 3: obtain disclosure in court of what is whispered in the closet.
Speaker 2: So, essentially, the fourth with its search and seizure like provisions,
Speaker 2: he's saying like technology is caught up, and sometimes the
Speaker 2: government has to do bad to do good. Essentially, so TAFT.
Speaker 3: Is being like an originalist saying we have to go
Speaker 3: exactly by the letter, and.
Speaker 2: Also that you can occasionally do a little bad to
Speaker 2: do good any kind.
Speaker 3: And brand is saying this is a living document and
Speaker 3: this has to evolve as the way with the technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because we didn't used to be able to
Speaker 2: do this now exactly.
Speaker 3: And I have to say the Descent is so well
Speaker 3: written and beautifully constructed that like it's fascinating reading. So
Speaker 3: with his appeal lost at this point, Almsted served his
Speaker 3: time at McNeil Island Penitentiary and he was released May eleventh,
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty one. While he was inside, he found religion.
Speaker 3: He converted to the Christian Science faith. He came to
Speaker 3: believe that alcohol was purely destructive. I mean it had
Speaker 3: been for him, and not in the way that we're
Speaker 3: used to seeing.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: He spent the rest of his life in service, though,
Speaker 3: so he counseled people, He taught Bible study, He set
Speaker 3: up rehab services for inmates in the Puget Sound area.
Speaker 3: He got a job as a fumigator like pest control.
Speaker 3: He taught Sunday school. He visited prisoners every Monday morning
Speaker 3: at the King County Jail.
Speaker 2: You think being locked up. He was with a bunch
Speaker 2: of like criminal drunks in a.
Speaker 3: Sense, I saw what it was, I think so and.
Speaker 2: Then he realized, oh, I'm part of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly. And so once again he's a fixture
Speaker 3: in the community, but not as a folk hero, just
Speaker 3: a hero, you know, and he's just service is his
Speaker 3: big thing.
Speaker 2: He goes being a cop essentially a public service pretty.
Speaker 3: Much, yeah, what you really should to protect and serve.
Speaker 3: He became friends with the judge who sent him to prison,
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Netterer. They had this like lighthearted back and forth.
Speaker 3: They palled around, but they would also have these really
Speaker 3: deep philosophical discussions about the nature of man and the world.
Speaker 3: Who's a deep thinker? Olmstead. You know, he served a sentence,
Speaker 3: but he was later granted a presidential pardon by Franklin
Speaker 3: Delano Rosevel FDR. Christmas Eve of nineteen thirty five, and
Speaker 3: that restored all of his rights as a citizen and
Speaker 3: canceled the fine that he still owed. And so, you know,
Speaker 3: FDR was really impressed by his redemption. Arc was this
Speaker 3: whole thing, so Roy Olmstead. He died April thirtieth, nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty six at the age of seventy nine. But then
Speaker 3: there's this. Just one year later, the Supreme Court heard
Speaker 3: a case Cats versus the United States. Charles Katz was
Speaker 3: convicted of illegal gambling after the FBI recorded his phone
Speaker 3: conversations from a public telephone booth using an electronic listening
Speaker 3: device that was attached to the outside of the phone booth.
Speaker 3: So Katz argued that the recordings were obtained in violation
Speaker 3: of his Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure. Sure,
Speaker 3: so the Supreme Court here's his case. They ruled seven
Speaker 3: to one in Katz's favor, holding that the warrantless wiretap
Speaker 3: was unconstitutional. Because the FBI didn't get a warrant, the
Speaker 3: evidence couldn't be used against him. In Olmstead, the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court ruled that wiretapping telephone lines didn't constitute a Fourth
Speaker 3: Amendment search. And then that's what Chief Justice Taft's majority
Speaker 3: opinion rested on. He's like two pillars. There was the
Speaker 3: physical trespass requirement, said, the Fourth Amendment only applied when
Speaker 3: there was an actual physical intrusion into like a constitutionally
Speaker 3: protected space, you say, like a house, paper person. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And because the FBI had tapped wires outside of Olmsted's
Speaker 3: home without physically entering it, no search had occurred, according
Speaker 3: to Tap, and then his other pillar in his majority
Speaker 3: opinion was that there was the tangible property focus. Since
Speaker 3: only intangible conversations, not physical items, were seized, the Amendment
Speaker 3: didn't apply. And stuff yeah was like, hey, no trespass,
Speaker 3: No Fourth Amendment problem grew. So Cats, though dismissed both
Speaker 3: of those pillars. It rejected the trespass doctrine, and they
Speaker 3: held that the Fourth Amendment is not limited to physical intrusions.
Speaker 3: The FBI and Cats never touched the phone booth, but
Speaker 3: a constitutional violation still occurred. It extended protection to intangible
Speaker 3: things like spoken words conversations, not just physical objects. And
Speaker 3: it shifted this whole framework from places and property to
Speaker 3: people and like reasonable expectations of privacy, There you go.
Speaker 3: Justice Brandeis had presently dissented in Olmsted, and his arguments
Speaker 3: were that the Constitution has to adapt to new technologies,
Speaker 3: that we're saying like it's a living thing, and that
Speaker 3: the right to be let alone was the most fundamental
Speaker 3: of rights. So forty years after that, Katz essentially vindicated.
Speaker 3: Roy Olmsted Katz remains the cornerstone of modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence.
Speaker 3: It's routinely applied to contemporary things like digital surveillance, cell
Speaker 3: phone tracking, internet privacy. Now, whether internet privacy actually exists anymore,
Speaker 3: who's to say, but by law, we have a right
Speaker 3: to it. Okay, so zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 2: Ah, the presumption of our rights at this point, I
Speaker 2: try to presume them in good faith, but so often
Speaker 2: you find they're like, oh, those don't apply unless you're
Speaker 2: the president. I'm like, oh, I don't get rights.
Speaker 3: Well, I think too with Like when we talk about
Speaker 3: internet privacy, we sign away that right all the time.
Speaker 2: In agreements we never read.
Speaker 3: We never read them. So, you know, you get your phone,
Speaker 3: Like I just got a new phone because my other
Speaker 3: one got I'll bust it up. And so I'm setting
Speaker 3: these things up and it's like, do you want to
Speaker 3: read this agreement? I'm like, not really, And I know
Speaker 3: as I'm clicking, except I'm like, you're a dumb, dumb
Speaker 3: lawyer's daughter. Yeah, here, open my life to you. There
Speaker 3: you go, And like all these websites that we use,
Speaker 3: you know, those social media ones. We have a contract
Speaker 3: with them, and they have all this small print that
Speaker 3: they own images, they own, statements, what you produce every time.
Speaker 2: People, Is it co own or do they own?
Speaker 3: They own a lot of these things. It's like once
Speaker 3: co owner. Probably No, I don't think it is. But
Speaker 3: you know everyone uploads those photos onto websites to like
Speaker 3: see what you look like as you were aged or whatever. No,
Speaker 3: because all that is is just gathering your information. That's
Speaker 3: how they train and like facial recognition stuff. It's like
Speaker 3: we hand it over to them. So I don't think
Speaker 3: that there's any privacy because we've just opened it up
Speaker 3: to them, like here, take it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: I think the presumption of privacy has shifted with technology
Speaker 2: to the being. As I said earlier, come on, you
Speaker 2: don't really presume you have that type of presice.
Speaker 3: You and I have both experienced recently a lot of
Speaker 3: friends who have where there's something that you speak to
Speaker 3: someone about, only you don't look it up on the
Speaker 3: online on your phone, you don't stumble across it somewhere.
Speaker 3: It's just spoken and then it starts popping up in
Speaker 3: like your algorithm.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at this point, I do it to make
Speaker 2: your Instagram algorithm go weird does when I see you,
Speaker 2: I say things that I know you haven't looked up,
Speaker 2: that I haven't typed into anything online, just to make
Speaker 2: it pop up. Like I'm like, this is gonna be
Speaker 2: fun and this tomorrow.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing is we sound like we're paranoid
Speaker 3: weird like you.
Speaker 2: But it's true.
Speaker 3: Loan Gunman, Yeah exactly. But I feel like that all
Speaker 3: the time now because I'm just like, yeah, everything's in operation.
Speaker 3: Everything is like.
Speaker 2: No normies say this stuff to me and they're not
Speaker 2: just like wackos like you and me.
Speaker 5: Don't.
Speaker 3: I don't trust anybody or anything. And that's that's my take.
Speaker 2: This is you being raised by a lawyer, me being
Speaker 2: raised by a gangster. We're both.
Speaker 3: I don't trust, don't trust anybody, that's right. Do you
Speaker 3: want to talk back because I think I need to
Speaker 3: talk back.
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