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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fantasy Flex podcast from Action Network and

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Labs. I am your host, Chris Raybon and NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft It's only a few weeks away now, and we

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Speaker 1: wanted to jump on a podcast with a very special guest,

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Speaker 1: a legend in the industry, Absolute beeft at betting the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. He's the head of Roto Grinders, a long

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Speaker 1: time Kyle League of ours, I think, a former boss

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Speaker 1: of mine over at RG My guy, Dan Bach Dan,

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Speaker 1: how's it gone?

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Speaker 4: Ray Bond is great?

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Speaker 2: You know, I've probably done hundreds of broadcasts over the years,

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Speaker 2: done one with you, which is incredible because you've been

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we've ever actually collaborated too much

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Speaker 2: So happy to be here. NFL Draft is like my

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I, as I told you off air, I'm

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Speaker 1: drafting a bestball team. As we record this, I had

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Speaker 1: To get to get get your thoughts on betting the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, So we're gonna jump into that. Uh and

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Speaker 1: before we get started, we'll have plenty of content leading

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Speaker 4: Right? We're are they going to get Aaron Rodgers?

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Speaker 3: So that that's that was kind of interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: I think that that offensive line was so terrible at Colorado,

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Speaker 4: So I think he's going to be up top.

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Speaker 2: like when he actually has to suit up and play

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Speaker 4: Twenty or twenty five on the other side.

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Speaker 2: And nobody has done that in the NFL ever that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm glad you said that because I'm looking

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Speaker 1: right there. If you think he's gonna go top three,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a Titans fan, even though I live in Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: But if you could tell me that I could trade

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Speaker 3: And I could see it. I could see, I could

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Speaker 1: If they strike out, you know, the standing off with

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Speaker 3: But I do want to.

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Speaker 1: Get your thoughts down on something that we've kind of

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be long odds everywhere. However, we're still five

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Speaker 1: So two part question, why do you think that isn't in?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a lot of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: leaking out. I remember, like back in my college days

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Speaker 4: They should be.

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Speaker 4: Of different ways. I don't think that we're going.

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago kind of talking about my approach,

437
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: and that's that's a similar approach that I take, because

438
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 1: I think that you know, not only like you said,

439
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: there's all this group thinking you know, one, you know,

440
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: a guy might not be there when a team is

441
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: going to draft there, and he might have been like

442
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: the only option, like like you're saying with the Colts

443
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: and Warren, But even more than that, just one pick,

444
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: one unexpected pick anywhere ahead of that that team that

445
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: you're betting on could change the entire draft. Like we

446
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: just talked about, like what if Hunter goes, you know,

447
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: number two or number three, and you know Carter falls

448
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: or Shador falls. Like there's so many different possibilities and

449
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: there's so many different positions involved.

450
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 3: Early.

451
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you got ashtagent, you got a tight end

452
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen, you got a quarterback slash squad receiver,

453
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: a couple of quarterbacks.

454
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 3: You know, people are talking about Jackson Dart now.

455
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: Like there's just so many things that could happen that

456
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: are unexpected that I think I find actually that you know,

457
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: year year to year, this that type of prop is

458
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: usually the most profitable prop to bet because you can

459
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: a lot of times it might it probably won't be

460
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: the favorite, but it will be somewhere in that you know,

461
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: top three or top four. And you know, if you're

462
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: looking in that for if you're looking at those for

463
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: the Colts, I mean you got you know, offensive line

464
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: plus two twenty five, safety five to one, defensive line

465
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: or edge five to one. You know, there's a lot

466
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: of options there and you're getting great odds on pretty

467
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: much all of them. So uh, and I mean, you know,

468
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: could the Coats be a dark horse for a guy

469
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: like Jackson Dark you know who, like do you know

470
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: who knows you know who knows where they have and

471
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: and then a team to trade down.

472
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: Let's not forget about that.

473
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: So let's say a team, like a team like the

474
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: coach trades down out of the first round and they

475
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: end up taking a quarterback in the second or something

476
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: like that. But you just don't know, and uh, that's

477
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: how you kind of have to look at look at it.

478
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: Like the books are kind of just going by there.

479
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, consensus mock which one all? It

480
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: takes one thing. So yeah, totally agree there. Let's let's

481
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: switch gears real quick. And what could we we did

482
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: talk a little.

483
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: Bit about before we do.

484
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: I want to I want to ask about gent real

485
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: quick because I think he is the he is the

486
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: one guy from a fantasy perspective that and an NFL

487
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: draft perspective, which is like really sky right here, Like

488
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: I know you, Chris, you're a smart guy.

489
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 4: You're like me.

490
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: You don't draft running backs like in the top five

491
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 2: ten first round even And this is what we're like

492
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: seeing right now is genty. Ei're thinking he could go

493
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: as early to the Raiders and like, I think this

494
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: is a fascinating player because he was so dominant in

495
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: the college side of things. But I just cannot get

496
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: this justification to be drafting him, you know, as high

497
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: and right now it's the Raiders and the Bears are

498
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 2: the top two teams at like plus one sixty to

499
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: draft this guy. I mean, what do you think is

500
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: gonna happen with him? Because he like you mentioned to me,

501
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: you're doing best ball drafts and you already picked him

502
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 2: in in the first round. So the guy's gonna have

503
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: an impact in our world. But I'm kind of curious

504
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: how you think it's gonna go with him.

505
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: I think. So here's here's my take on this.

506
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: You have to be you have to adapt, right, you

507
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: have to kind of look at how the game is changing.

508
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: And for so long, I mean, there was this stretch

509
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL, right like this fifteen twenty years stretch

510
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: where it was just like Brady Belichick or Brady by

511
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: himself winning, you know, some mahomes mixed in and really

512
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: nothing else. Right, And what you saw last year I

513
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: think is going to raise Gen's draft stock and I

514
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: think somebody may even trade up, like it's crazy and

515
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: blasphemous as that sound, somebody might trade up to draft

516
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 1: him in the top ten because if you look at

517
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: what happened last year, the Ravens go and get you know,

518
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: a guy who great player, future Hall of Famer, but

519
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: you know on the older side and Derrick Henry, you know,

520
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: they are one of the top teams in the league,

521
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: and their running game just goes completely nuns. The Philadelphia

522
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: Eagles going over, you know, kind of give Saquon Bark,

523
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: we do all the money you wanted, and they just

524
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: sign him to an extension too as well, and they

525
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: ride him straight to a Super Bowl. I know he

526
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: didn't do much in the Super Bowl, but uh, you know,

527
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: I think that those kind of guys, look at look

528
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: at them, look at the impact Bucky Irving had. Now,

529
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a counterpoint because you know,

530
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: you could get a guy later. But like, how many

531
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: guys are guaranteed to be as good as Ashton gents

532
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: in this draft, Like there's a lot of good running backs,

533
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: but Gensy is like he has that potential to be

534
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: a Saquon Bark. We like difference maker, and I do

535
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: think that teams are going to you know, look at

536
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: look at what the Eagles did, Look at what the

537
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: the Ravens did. I mean even the Bills, you know,

538
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty million dollar man, Josh Allen. They

539
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: were rodden James Cook in the playoffs. Let's not be mistaken, right. So,

540
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: and he completely changed as a runner too. I think

541
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: he a lot more physical start Like it's just, uh,

542
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think the running backs coming back in

543
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: vogue a little bit. So I do think gens Uh

544
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: is going to be a top ten pick.

545
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: Honestly, I where you see him kind of falling?

546
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: Do you think you think, uh, you know, teams kind

547
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: of overthink it, or do you think do you see

548
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: that kind of trending back? I know the analytics, you know,

549
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: say what they say, but it's hot, like it's only

550
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: one year data. But it was pretty convincing last year

551
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: that you can win with the star running back and

552
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: he can be kind of like the driver of your offense.

553
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

554
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: And and I think the only reason why if I'm

555
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: like the Giants and even the Bears to a lesser degree,

556
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: but they've got Ben Johnson. They spent a ton of

557
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: offseason free agency money on that offensive line. I think

558
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: everybody would have said, for sure, the Bears are gonna

559
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: go line, but they already picked up with two or

560
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: three guys already on to improve that position. And we

561
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: know Charley loves yeah, and we know Johnson will happily

562
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: you know, have two great running backs. He traded up

563
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: for Jamiir Gibbs, remember everything another game for.

564
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: That move, right right?

565
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

566
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think he's dropping below Chicago. But

567
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: I think the question is if you're if you're the Raiders,

568
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: and you look at your your I mean I went

569
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: through their receivers.

570
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 4: They are awful.

571
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: They are so bad, and I think you can get

572
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: a guy like, uh, you know, Caleb Johnson from Iowa.

573
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: I think he's a sneaky good back this year that

574
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: I think you could maybe get in the second round.

575
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: And it's just a deeper running back draft where I

576
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: think Chicago's gonna be where he ends up because I

577
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: just just not sold. I mean, they went out and

578
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: got mostered in in Las Vegas, and not that he's anything,

579
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: he's probably washed up. But man, outside of Jacoby Myers,

580
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: that receiving corps for the Raiders is just a total disaster.

581
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: So I could see them taking McMillan in the draft,

582
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: especially because he's large, he's six'. Four they don't have

583
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: a receiver that kind of is that. Stature SO i

584
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: think he's gonna end up In, chicago AND i Think

585
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: Ben johnson's gonna just you, know do what he does

586
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: and have a lot of fun offensively and do it with.

587
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: Genty so that's that's WHERE i think it's gonna.

588
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: Go AND i think.

589
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: That's probably the best landing spot for him because you mentioned.

590
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: It they got, that like their offensive line went from

591
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of shaky to borderline elite if everyone plays up

592
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: to their their. ABILITY i mean their tackles are always pretty,

593
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: solid BUT i mean they you, know you Got tony

594
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: on the. Interior now you just you got three guys

595
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: who really are gonna transform that. Line, so, uh you

596
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: got a first round, quarterback you got a couple of

597
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: good you got a good veteran, receiver a good young.

598
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: Receiver you, know you've got a great, coordinator great. Coach

599
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: so uh, YEAH i think that would be a spot for.

600
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: Him BUT i wouldn't be surprised if a, team you,

601
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: know somebody kind of comes out the blue and just

602
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: Offers chicago a ton even to get to number ten

603
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: if he's still on the. Board and that's if he's

604
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: still on the. Board so, YEAH i do think he's

605
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: probably there's gonna, be, ah there's gonna be some demand

606
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: for him as. Well AND i think you Got saquon

607
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: and And henry and and.

608
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: Uh Engineer gibbs even in of those guys to thank for.

609
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: That so, yeah, Yeah, Kent i'm high on him AND

610
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: i think HE i think he's gonna be a difference.

611
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: Maker if he goes to a contender the forty nine.

612
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: ERS i, mean Is christian, McCaffrey, okay do you really

613
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: like how how crazy would that be if he ends

614
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: up at The niners at eleven or fe trade up or.

615
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: SOMETHING i could see, HIM i, MEAN i would.

616
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: SAY i, mean the thing, is you, Know dallas just

617
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: went and got a bunch of, scrubs you, Know javonte

618
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 2: And Miles. Sanders but it's almost like they're just like

619
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: sitting there saying he's not going to get to.

620
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 4: Us BUT i, MEAN i don't See San.

621
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: FRANCISCO i mean, maybe, MAN i don't see any OTHER

622
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: i don't see any other team outside of The. RAIDERS

623
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: i mean unless The jaguars just Wanted Liam cohen just

624
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: wanted to go and and mix things up and take

625
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: him at, five which you KNOW i. Wouldn't i'm A jags.

626
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Fan that's not the ROUTE i would go if somebody

627
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: wants him that early trade down and let them pick

628
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: them at. Five but you never, know especially with these

629
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: offensive minded. COACHES i, mean atm has been been terrible

630
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: the last couple of. Years he does not look like,

631
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: he's you, know a big TIME nfl running. Back so you,

632
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: know you Get Brian, Thomas Trevor lawrence and And Ashton

633
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: genty is your as your top three run you, know

634
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: offensive playmakers For. Jacksonville that's not bad if you're an

635
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: offensive play caller and you're the head, Coach, like that's

636
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: a pretty good starting point for. Them so, uh now

637
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: THAT i talk myself into, it LIKE i don't think

638
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: that's gonna, happen but you never, know especially once these

639
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: players start getting the. Momentum and like you, said you

640
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: made a great point, though like just the adjustment and

641
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: how THE nfl does change Because saquon he did put

642
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: that team on his back and, uh And i'm sure

643
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: others took.

644
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: Notice you can get right Now jacksonville to take a

645
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: running back with their first pick at forty five to

646
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: one ON.

647
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: Dk, so, Oh i'm gonna.

648
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: Have to myself into a sprinkle at forty five to.

649
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: One, sure, sure that's WHAT i. Love you can you

650
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: can do a sprinkle on. That, no it's probably gonna.

651
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: Lose and then who, knows like if if the momentum,

652
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: changes you can sometimes even hedge back if like the

653
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: mocks start getting. Crazy SO i love it good, Idea, yeah.

654
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Definitely, uh AND i could see.

655
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: Him the thing about it with the guy like that, is,

656
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: YEAH i no positional, value but.

657
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: Could he be the fifth best player in the.

658
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: Draft, absolutely so, uh if that's the, CASE i THINK

659
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: i think it's his fair game for pretty much anyone

660
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: after that top.

661
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: Four so, yeah it's the top, four it's it's.

662
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: Four and then once you get to, THAT i think

663
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: it's wide open because you, Know Mason graham's, nice you,

664
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: know there's plenty of alignment there that that you could

665
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: go that route as. Well but you, KNOW i think

666
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: once you get Past carter and uh and Obviously Travis.

667
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: HUNTER i think is wide. Open so we'll, say we'll,

668
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: See we'll to make some.

669
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: SPRINKLES i know you like to draft some bestball teams

670
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: just like LIKE i.

671
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: Do and, UH i.

672
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: Just wanted to talk to you a little bit about you,

673
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: know anyone listening, now uh probably already.

674
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: A hardcore best.

675
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: Baller but but if they're not any, advice you, know

676
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of what are your best ball tips for for,

677
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: beginners things that have kind of worked for you in the.

678
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Past and, uh you know, what how do you kind

679
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: of use our g to uh to have success with

680
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: your with your best ball?

681
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: Draft, YEAH i mean best ball for.

682
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: ME i, MEAN i know we've got a huge season

683
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: long audience on this, podcast AND i can't recommend it

684
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: enough to people who play uh season. Long AND i

685
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: know that a lot of season long players are, LIKE

686
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: i just got my, Team that's ALL i care. About

687
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: you don't understand if you haven't done best, ball you

688
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: legitimately just draft your team and you do nothing. Else

689
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: it is the best format for people who have busy, lives, families, kids.

690
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: Jobs you can't do. Waivers you, know you're not telling

691
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: you to like abandon your season long, team but this

692
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 2: is a great way to kind of get some draft

693
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: reps and you can do it for, cheap do it

694
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: for a dollar three, dollars and you never, know if

695
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: things break your, way you could you, could you, know

696
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: win thousands at the end of the. Year but it's

697
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: it's just a great addition to season long. Players AND

698
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: i don't know if it's marketed that way enough because

699
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: the season long audience is so huge and Best ball

700
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: is growing every single, year don't get me, wrong but

701
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: it's just a fraction of the number of people who

702
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: play season. Long And i've been playing with, guys a

703
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: group of guys who've been doing, it we've been doing

704
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: for like twenty five thirty, years AND i mentioned Best

705
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: ball to them the other day and they're, like what is?

706
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: That SO i just feel like there's a ton of

707
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: room for that game to. Grow and we're going to

708
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: be doing a lot of stuff between roto grinders and

709
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: especially On Fantasy labs because the job that you, know

710
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: you And sean do is huge on the on the

711
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: season long side of, things and we're we're gonna have

712
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: Some we're cooking up.

713
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: Some really cool.

714
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Stuff don't want to spoil it because you can't really

715
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: say things until they're ready to, Go but let's just

716
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: put it this, way we are gonna invest much heavier

717
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 2: into the season long and the best ball streets over

718
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: On Fantasy. Labs and you, know if you're not a

719
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: subscriber To chris And shawn's you know season long, package

720
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 2: you should do it because it's going to include all

721
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: the best ball stuff that we have brewing up for you.

722
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: Too so we're just putting it all in. One it's

723
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: not like a monthly recurring it's a one time price

724
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: and we'll be talking about that pretty much all summer.

725
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: Long and you know, WHAT i, think it's it's. Fun

726
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: it's just a different way to play fantasy. Football but

727
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: it's one that will NOT i promise you will not

728
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: take away from that like hardcore season long league that

729
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: you've been in for for fifteen or twenty.

730
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 4: Years SO i.

731
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: Really recommend people try it. OUT i, know you, Know

732
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: underdog And DraftKings are the two biggest, players and they're

733
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: putting up huge contests at again small. Buyings you don't

734
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: have to be paying five hundred dollars an entry to

735
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: compete for one hundred thousand or even a million. DOLLARS

736
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: i think it's like twenty bucks last year for the

737
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: million dollar and then they had a ton of different

738
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 2: ones for just you, know three bucks that would end

739
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: up you, know winning potentially one hundred k or. More

740
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: so we're going to invest into it Because i'm just

741
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: really convinced it's the future of fantasy football because there's

742
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: just nothing you have to do after you draft your,

743
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: team just the best.

744
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: Part, yeah and it's really fun to draft, too because

745
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: even the draft strategy is a little bit. Different you're

746
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: drafting a little bit of a deeper, team but you're

747
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: also you, know looking to stack a lot. MORE i

748
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: think that's one of the keys that you, know we,

749
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: found you, know looking at the data over the last

750
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: few years now that we have a more robust data,

751
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: set is that people that are winning are. Stacking they're

752
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: planning for the playoff weeks and kind of drafting based

753
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: drafting and stacking and games based on. That so you,

754
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: know even if you're A dfs, PLAYER i think there's

755
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of tie ins and it's just a

756
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: really fun sweat in my, opinion because it's like that

757
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: it's like you didn't set a lineup and so it's

758
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: like there's no stress of like oh DID i you,

759
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: know DID i DID i picked the, right, guys a

760
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: guy on my. Bench it's like a guy could be

761
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: on your bench and just rocketing up your team score

762
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: and you're just rocketing up the leader. Board and you

763
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: cause you're your basketball team, obviously you know it's. You

764
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: it's your top players each week get chosen. Automatically, so,

765
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: uh it's really. Fun you're drafting for, upside you're. Stacking

766
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: LIKE i just drafted a team with Lamar Zay, Flowers

767
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: Mark andrews And Rashad. Bateman and that was AFTER i

768
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: got gent And Bucky, Irvings so like that's gonna be

769
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: a fun, team like no matter, What like you, Know

770
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: and that's just one of the ways you can go about.

771
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: It you could draft quarterbacks a lot earlier and not

772
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: feel bad about. IT I, mean there's just so many

773
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: fun ways that, that so many fun things you could

774
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: do with basketball that you don't have certainly get a

775
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: chance to do because you're probably playing it a little closer

776
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: to the, best uh right season one.

777
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: Lead, exactly like in you're nobody's really nobody is stacking

778
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: in season. Long in, fact it's probably a bad thing

779
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: to do in most cases where that is the thing

780
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: that you you want to do. Most but the thing

781
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: is like you can still survive and make money if

782
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: things don't break your. Way like you, know, OH i

783
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: Drafted Jalen, hurts but somebody got Aj brown And. DeVante it's,

784
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: Okay like you're you're not dead because your your rosters

785
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: are so big and you, know if you, look you,

786
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: know at the at the end every, year at the,

787
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: end there's guys who are drafted very very late who

788
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: have huge. Impacts guys Like Puka. Nakua you, know he

789
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: was barely being, drafted but those who did draft him

790
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: kind of towards the tail end of the summer were

791
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: really really. Rewarded same With Kyen williams the year before.

792
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: That so there's a lot of strategy to try and

793
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: like predict what's going to. Happen so that like early

794
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: in the sense of Like Bucky irving was a GUY

795
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 2: i was on very early BECAUSE i loved his game

796
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: in college AND i did not Think Rashad white was very.

797
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: Good you put two and two together and there's major opportunity.

798
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: There but it's it's a it's a very fun way

799
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: to go and it's you, know the way you can

800
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: also build it, too and there's tools out there where

801
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: you can basically kind of have a portfolio of. Teams,

802
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: Right so you might, say, like, man drafting fifty teams sounds,

803
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: miserable but is It like if you take the train

804
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: into work every, day like you're sitting there for thirty

805
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: minutes anyway on a, train why not.

806
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 4: Just draft a team like you?

807
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: Can you can do that like it's not not a big,

808
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: deal or you're doing a workout like that was a big.

809
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: Thing That underdog is kind of pushed forward as Their

810
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: Underdog Cardio club where they're, like do a, Draft, well

811
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: you do thirty minutes or thirty five minutes of. Cardio

812
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: it's a great distraction off of like the misery that

813
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: you're sitting there on that on that on that elliptical

814
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: machine or. Whatever SO i think it's it's just a

815
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: really fun and like you, said the sweat is great,

816
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: too because not only do you like follow these in

817
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: real time throughout the, year when you get down to the,

818
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: playoffs then you start honing in and knowing, Like, okay

819
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: this is WHAT i have to cheer, for this is

820
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: What i'm going for with this particular.

821
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: Team SO i really hope people give it a.

822
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: Try this year who haven't done, it and, uh AND

823
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: i think they'll they'll be pleasantly surprised about their.

824
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: Experience, yeah AND i mean one of my favorite things

825
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: to do while doing a draft is to do another,

826
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: draft like you could do with four or five of

827
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: them at one. Two and it's LIKE i would, say

828
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: at this, point, uh you, know if you're drafting like

829
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of basketball, teams and WHEN i say a,

830
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: BUNCH i just mean you know a, handful most people,

831
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: aren't and you're playing season long like your your season

832
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: long draft's gonna be a piece Hate LIKE i just

833
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: cruised through my season long. Draft they just it feels

834
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: like rookie mode because you, know in basketball you're.

835
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: Drafted LIKE i.

836
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: WAS i was having a draft Like Zach ertz everywhere

837
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: last year and like you know WHAT i, mean you,

838
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: know like really think about what second or third tight

839
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: End i'm gonna, draft like my eighteenth round pick or

840
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: something like. That so, yeah it really kind of teaches

841
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: you where the value is BECAUSE i always say in

842
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: season long like like if you're not gonna mock, draft

843
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: LIKE i, think just kind of like in your head

844
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: draft upside, down just to know where the value is like, start.

845
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: Let's, say, okay who who who DO i like with

846
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: my last? Pick not, kicker not, defense but you know everybody,

847
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: Else like who DO i?

848
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: Like?

849
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: There you, know is there a running? Back is?

850
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: There? Whatever and best of what kind of makes you

851
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: do that? Naturally where you're just you kind of know

852
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: where the value is into those deeper rounds when, uh

853
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: you know it's kind of the, cliche but you know

854
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: some people even go in auto draft by that point

855
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: in a season long, draft so it really sharpens the,

856
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: KNIFE i think for season one.

857
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: Players so, yeah can't can't stay and.

858
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: You can do it for LIKE i, say just not

859
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: a whole lot of investment really, too because they've got

860
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: these one and two dollars, leagues which you, know for,

861
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: me people are still drafting those for for, real because

862
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 2: there's real Upside when you get in some of these

863
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: mock draft, lobbies everything just kind of turns to auto

864
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: draft after the first three rounds it, seems you, know

865
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the. Time SO i think you nailed.

866
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: It great prep for those for those season long.

867
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Speaker 1: Drafts, yeah and, Uh i'm gonna put you on the

868
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: spot before we get out of, here because we have so,

869
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: much so much genty. Talk but you mentioned you were

870
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: On bucky you ast. YEAR i know a lot of

871
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: smart people are. Guy Sean kerner of course was On

872
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: bucky as, Well SO i gotta ask, you, like who's

873
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: your guy this?

874
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 3: Year after?

875
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: Gents you like out of out of that, all because

876
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: there's supposed to be a really good, draft, Right like

877
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: who else you got your eye on that you think

878
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: could kind of pay off dividends in though maybe in

879
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: the middle rounds or just you, know outside of that

880
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: first running.

881
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: Back, yeah it's so it's really hard to predict without

882
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 2: knowing where they're gonna, go because you, know we see

883
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: it year after. Year like it's all about like. Opportunity

884
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: most of these, guys especially at running. Back, uh they're pretty.

885
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: Good they're they get an, opportunity they could they can

886
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: make things. Happen so like that's a big part of.

887
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: It BUT i mentioned him a little bit. EARLIER i

888
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: think the running back From, Iowa Caleb johnson is somebody

889
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: WHO i was really impressed with.

890
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 4: Him running the.

891
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: Football looked like AN nfl running. Back so he's a

892
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: guy That i've got my eye. On we mentioned him.

893
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: Earlier Tyler warren With Penn, state like we saw last,

894
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: year Brock powers was put together one of the best

895
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: seasons ever for a tight.

896
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 4: End and if anybody.

897
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: Watched that guy play in college At, georgia that should

898
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: not have been a. Surprise he was just a dominant.

899
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: Force AND i think you could make a case That

900
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: Tyler warren was in that. Stratosphere now he's also a

901
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: guy who does a lot more like running the, ball

902
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: AND i think he's interesting because what we started to

903
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: see a little bit last Year chris was some of

904
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks just did not want to do the you,

905
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: know the quarterback, sneak you, know the the you, know

906
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: to to do The philly the what are they? Coming

907
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: the toush. Push, yeah they just weren't. Comfortable they just

908
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: weren't good with. It so what we saw what, happened

909
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: and even a team Like baltimore did this where he

910
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: Saw Mark andrews come and then he'd be the one

911
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: taking the tush. PUSH i can almost assure you that

912
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: is going to happen With Tyler warren this year because

913
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: he did it At Penn state an absolute Ton and

914
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: you might say to, yourself why did you draft a

915
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: guy over that, well guess what that could equate, to

916
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: like three or four touchdowns if things break, right just

917
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: on that play alone before all the other. Things so

918
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: he's going in the top ten for a, reason AND

919
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: i think he is going to be a very very

920
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: interesting player from a wide receiver. Position you, KNOW i

921
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: don't love this year's.

922
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 4: CLASS i actually.

923
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: Think Amecca buca From Ohio state is really really good

924
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: because he's played in the shadow of guys who are all.

925
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: Pros even this past. Year it's, like, Oh i'm a,

926
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: Senior i'm the. Guy and Then Jeremiah, smith who's an

927
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: absolute freak shows up on, campus probably you, know the

928
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: favorite to win The heisman next, year and So abuka

929
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: was like over you, know overlooked again this.

930
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: Year but this.

931
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Guy is remind you, KNOW i think he's better Than

932
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: smith And jigbo was coming, out AND i think he's

933
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: just getting overlooked a little bit just because of he's

934
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: always been second. Fiddle but look for him to be

935
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: kind of a sneaky wide receiver THAT i think can

936
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: in the right, opportunity give you some give you some good.

937
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: Stats BECAUSE i think he can play in the, slot

938
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: he can play. Outside he's not like one dimensional or

939
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: a guy like you Know ted. McMillan he's probably gonna

940
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: start wherever he ends, up big, body put up some.

941
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 4: Big, numbers probably gonna be.

942
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: Okay BUT i don't think he's gonna be under the

943
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: radar for for many teams out. There but you know,

944
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: what once we know everybody's, playing he can bring me

945
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: back And i'll give you some some even better picks

946
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: because that that definitely matters in the.

947
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: Calculus oh, yeah, absolutely especially for the running. Backs you,

948
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: know it's gonna matter where they're gonna. GO a couple

949
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: of guys that stand out to be. UH i Think

950
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: samson From, tennessee he really. Pops and then Scatter bow,

951
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: OBVIOUSLY i think you know he just when you watch him, play, like,

952
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: oh this guy's gonna be a good football. Play and

953
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: a guy like that a receiver for, ME i could

954
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: just see like a team like The rams draft in

955
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: this guy in like the middle, round, uh best out

956
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: of out OF. Tcu like he he just he just

957
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: looks like a football player to Be. Uh it's his

958
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: his mesorables don't, pop but the route running after the catch,

959
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Everything SO i wouldn't be. SURPRISED i think there's gonna

960
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: be a deep skilled draft for running, back for wide.

961
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: Receiver of course you got the you, know the two tight.

962
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: Ends so this is this is gonna be an interesting

963
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: one from a Best ball. Perspective that's another thing in

964
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: basketball we've probably should have. Mentioned, uh you could take

965
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: a lot of, rookies and that's that's one of usually

966
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna get rewarded for. It so right, now like

967
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: a lot of rookies are probably going a lot higher

968
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: than than you would even, think uh that they. Should but,

969
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: YEAH i think, THAT i think, that, yeah we're gonna

970
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: see a lot of production out of this rookie class

971
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: in year. One that just seems how it's. Going you

972
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: can't really afford to not uh, yeah this day and

973
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Speaker 1: age in THE nfl the way exactly contracts are.

974
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Speaker 2: rookie and sophomore leagues, too where you're only drafting guys

976
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: who are first and second year. Players so that's that's

977
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