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Speaker 1: The late fifteen to ten touched up Sucker.

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Speaker 2: What's up, guys, We are back with another special edition

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Speaker 2: of Chargers Weekly on the road in Indy at the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four NFL Scouting Combine, as always joined by Matt,

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Speaker 2: Buddy Smith and Money. Typically it's just you and Meal

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Speaker 2: on the pod. The luxury of having some amazing guests

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Speaker 2: today and.

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Speaker 3: Really all we Oh, I thought you were saying that

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Speaker 3: Mike Silver's joining us from two tables over it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Mike doesn't Noah to talk.

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Speaker 3: Mike extreams, Yeah, Mike, we worked together for a number

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Speaker 3: of years. At anytime you engage, he gets excited and

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Speaker 3: the decimals tend to carry a little bit. That's what

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Speaker 3: you were saying. Maybe they didn't near my intro of

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Speaker 3: that Mice was joining. But yes, we got a lot

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Speaker 3: of folks today, some people you're really gonna want to

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Speaker 3: hear from Lance Airline, who I worked with for a

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Speaker 3: number of years. We do the draft together and Lance

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Speaker 3: Lance was think of Dennis Ackersley, not a one inning closer.

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Speaker 3: Lance was a three inn enclosure because he would come

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Speaker 3: in DJ Bucky starting to get a little weathered, you know,

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Speaker 3: on day three you're in the sixth and seventh round,

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Speaker 3: lands like, give me that ball man, let us go.

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Speaker 3: This is my sweet spot. Truly, the person that knows

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Speaker 3: more about the players that are being drafted than anybody

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Speaker 3: else doing this. He's got to write all the scouting

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Speaker 3: reports for NFL and NFL dot Com, the books that

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Speaker 3: we would use as our you know, cheat sheets. He

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Speaker 3: was the one that would pen them. So to have

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Speaker 3: him on it's going to be great. My favorite article

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Speaker 3: every year when it comes to football, professional or college

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Speaker 3: is the Bruce Velpman Freak List. It's and that's a

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Speaker 3: lot of people in football will tell you that. So

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Speaker 3: Bruce is going to join us talk about the freaks

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Speaker 3: that he wrote about earlier before the college football season,

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Speaker 3: updating the freak list now with the draft upon us

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Speaker 3: what we're going to see here at the combine. So

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Speaker 3: he'll share a lot of that. And and also, by

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Speaker 3: the way, two guys that are very are very familiar

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Speaker 3: with Jim Harbaugh and cover Jim Harbaugh and his assistant

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Speaker 3: coaches in college you can speak to kind of what

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Speaker 3: the Chargers are going to get going here, gonna get

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Speaker 3: going with here moving forward.

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Speaker 2: So it's not hyperbolely like I wish both of those

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Speaker 2: conversations win an hour each because we could have gone

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Speaker 2: on and on about the prospects and more about Michigan

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Speaker 2: and Gym. And then I've seen Jeremy Fowler joined us too,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna roll that interview right now. Jeremy so

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Speaker 2: connected around the league, and you know, the first domino

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Speaker 2: to fall really is getting kept compliant in free agency.

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Speaker 2: So we get into that with Jeremy now, so let's

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Speaker 2: roll that. And then we got Bruce and Lance on DAP,

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Fowler ESPN joins us, and Jeremy. Every time this year,

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Speaker 2: this thing gets bigger and bigger, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: it could get any bigger, and yet it does.

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Speaker 1: What's this week like for you?

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Speaker 5: So this week for me is there's a lot of roaming,

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Speaker 5: like get my steps in, just trying to run into

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Speaker 5: as many people as I can, you know, team execs, scouts, coaches,

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Speaker 5: that's kind of the name of the game.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: For me, it's mostly about getting ready for free agency.

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Speaker 5: That's probably my main focus of this point. But it's

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Speaker 5: just a good launching of the offseason. Get to run

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Speaker 5: into a lot of good media folks like yourself and

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Speaker 5: old friends and things like that, so it's a good week.

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Speaker 3: How big of a deal was the salary cap bump, Like,

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Speaker 3: did it take teams in your opinion, by surprise? Did

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Speaker 4: I don't think it took them by surprise.

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Speaker 5: it's this was sort of the anticipated jump from when

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Speaker 5: they did the CBA a few years ago, like this

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Speaker 5: was the kick in right, this is thirty million overall.

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Speaker 5: That's a big percentage inflation hike. That will be far different.

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Speaker 5: I'm just fascinated to see if teams will actually spend

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Speaker 2: Which is fascinating with the chargers because that's the first

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Speaker 2: order of business is figure out Keenan Allen, Mike Williams,

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Speaker 2: Khaleel and Joey. They are the four biggest numbers yep

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Speaker 2: on the cap sheet. How do you think they do this? Obviously,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly they're gonna have to kind of create a

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Speaker 5: You know, the cap hits are all what thirty plus,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's more than half your entire cap. So

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Speaker 5: my sense is, and this is a lot of people

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Speaker 5: do with this four guys. You know, Keenan Allen to

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Speaker 5: sort of save him. But they can work something out.

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Speaker 5: but coming off the injury, I think it's gonna be tougher,

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Speaker 5: I know some teams are talking about Khalil Mack when

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Speaker 5: I asked them about trade candidates, Like I don't necessarily

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Speaker 5: think the Chargers are shopping him, but he's on team's radar,

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Speaker 5: even though he's thirty three big production last year. Some

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Speaker 5: teams have just always had an affinity for him, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, like a missing link piece to like contending team.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I've heard his name more than Jerry Bosa. I

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Speaker 5: don't know if that means anything. I just I think

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Speaker 5: Max Scots and he's got a market.

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Speaker 4: I'd say that, what do you think the number changes?

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Speaker 3: Because kind of what our speculation was, and that's all

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Speaker 3: that probably any of these guys are available with that.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, I mean do you think that's do

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Speaker 3: you think that's realistic? Is not behind the sky?

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Speaker 5: It might be hard to get a Day two pick

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Speaker 5: for Joey Yeah at this stage. I mean, he's really

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Speaker 2: I look at what Washington did last year with its

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Speaker 2: younger edge rushers, right, you know the Bears trade a

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Speaker 2: Chase Young goes to San Francisco for a third. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: obviously different case, but still edge rushers. It's just it's

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Speaker 2: a very interesting dynamic because Khalil has been healthy with

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Speaker 2: the Chargers and very productive. It's like, do you do

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Speaker 2: he only has one year left. And then Joey, who

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Speaker 2: Do you think that there's one team or two teams

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Speaker 5: And the Chargers, as long as they make a few moves,

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Speaker 5: they don't have to address all four contracts necessarily. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Kind Of one of the things that we feel like

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Speaker 3: number five, But that, of course is going to be

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Speaker 5: They end up. Well, Chicago's in the driver's seat. They

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Speaker 5: think you know that they have to trade Justin Fields

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Speaker 5: at some point and probably want to do it before

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Speaker 5: the new league year out of respect for him. Right,

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Speaker 5: that's assuming they're taking Kayleb Williams or a quarterback at

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Speaker 5: number one. But I haven't talked to anybody who believes

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Speaker 1: I think Ryan Pohl said that too. He's like, we

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Speaker 1: want to do right by Justin Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The direction, I mean he was hinting at that reality.

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Speaker 5: So that has to drop before anything else. I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, the what do you.

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Speaker 4: Think that market is? By the way, is it robust?

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Speaker 5: Or now I mean teams I've talked to, say a

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Speaker 5: I don't know a natural home firm. I would say Atlanta,

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Speaker 5: but their offense with the coordinator coming from the Sean

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Speaker 5: you know, Pittsburgh would be a great fit, but I

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Speaker 5: don't know that. They don't just run it back with

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Speaker 5: Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph. So somebody has to be

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Speaker 5: in love with Justin Fields to do it. I don't

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Speaker 5: quite know who that is just yet, but I think

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Speaker 5: there's interest certainly. But we'll see who pulls the trigger on.

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Speaker 4: And what about Kirk what do you think?

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, Minnesota's gonna try, certainly, And my sense is,

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Speaker 5: a great negotiator. He's got a lot of fully guaranteed

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Speaker 5: I think it will probably go that way. One two three.

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Speaker 2: Right, Jerry Fowler, I know you're a busy man. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: This is probably the best guess you can have though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know you want to talk about

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Speaker 3: One thing you got to check is the Freaks List.

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Speaker 3: And it really is one of the most entertaining and

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Speaker 7: the culture and developing the toughness. And you mentioned eighteen

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Speaker 7: guys here and they did things in the development aspect

434
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Speaker 7: of players that honestly nobody has done in college football,

435
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Speaker 7: like Nick Saban's done at an incredibly high level in Tuscaloosa.

436
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Speaker 7: But I do think they were they were working with

437
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Speaker 7: like less and more less. You know, they were working

438
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Speaker 7: with more foreign five star guys and these You know,

439
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Speaker 7: there's a guy walking around here and you know, hope

440
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Speaker 7: you guys meet him, Chris Jenkins, whose dad was a

441
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Speaker 7: famous defensive lineman, Chris Jenkins, as Jim told me over

442
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Speaker 7: the summer, the mutant of all mutants, and he was

443
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Speaker 7: actually number one on our Freaks list, and he came

444
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Speaker 7: in at like two hundred and fifty some pounds and

445
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Speaker 7: now he's like three zero seven, and he's super explosive

446
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Speaker 7: and he's selfless, and you know, like he kind of

447
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Speaker 7: im one of the guys. There's a handful of guys

448
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Speaker 7: who I feel like epitomized Jim Harbaugh's Michigan program, and

449
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Speaker 7: he would be one of them.

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Speaker 3: When you you mentioned he's you know, kind of moved

451
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Speaker 3: along right San Diego to Stanford, Stanford to San Francisco,

452
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Speaker 3: San Francisco to Michigan. Do you think, because we know

453
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Speaker 3: we tried to get out. Like you said, there was

454
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Speaker 3: a moment where it felt like Michigan wanted to get out.

455
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Speaker 3: But yeah, do you think that's maybe him evolving, maybe

456
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Speaker 3: him changing a little bit, that he did stick around

457
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Speaker 3: a little bit longer, that those two sides were able

458
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Speaker 3: to get along a little bit better.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And I do think from people I trust, you know,

460
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Speaker 7: a year ago, he had a real shot at the

461
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Speaker 7: Broncos job, and from what I was told, he was like,

462
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Speaker 7: I want to coach this team and meeting this team

463
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Speaker 7: being the eighteen plus you know, eighteen guys plus everybody else,

464
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Speaker 7: and I think he was really loyal, like those guys,

465
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Speaker 7: you know. Around the National title game before, I remember,

466
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Speaker 7: there was a lot of stories from a lot of

467
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Speaker 7: conversations about cool Jim, and cool Jim was like a

468
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Speaker 7: not an alter ego, but it was like they got

469
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Speaker 7: to see different sides and when it was really when

470
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Speaker 7: it was when things were spiraling bad and they won

471
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Speaker 7: two games in the COVID year. It wasn't like they

472
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Speaker 7: were two and ten, but there was two and four,

473
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Speaker 7: two and five, and you know, I think one of

474
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Speaker 7: the players told me Jim sent them, you know, emails

475
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Speaker 7: about everybody, including himself, had to look in the mirror,

476
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Speaker 7: and I definitely think there was an evolution that has

477
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Speaker 7: to happen there now Jim Harbaugh, I think for people

478
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Speaker 7: who are around him at Stanford and people who around

479
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Speaker 7: him at the forty nine ers, Jim Harbaugh is still

480
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Speaker 7: Jim Harbaugh, which is a unique, like kind of wildly

481
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Speaker 7: unpredictable spirit.

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Speaker 4: I think he's still that guy.

483
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Speaker 7: But I do know from you know, one of the

484
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Speaker 7: guys who is his right his right hand man for

485
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Speaker 7: a couple you know, for a couple of years, there

486
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Speaker 7: is a guy named Biff Pogi, who's this like borderline

487
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Speaker 7: billionaire who now is a college coach at Charlotte. And

488
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Speaker 7: Biff they were really close, and he talked about just

489
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Speaker 7: how much that Jim got to show the players a

490
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Speaker 7: different side of himself a little more. Maybe it was

491
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Speaker 7: that mattered, and so I absolutely think there was an

492
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Speaker 7: evolution of him. He's still the same guy, but there

493
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Speaker 7: was parts of it that I think there was real growth.

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Speaker 2: Bruce, we see a training camp and obviously Justin Herbert

495
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Speaker 2: is going to benefit the most, I think from Jim Harball.

496
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Speaker 2: In what ways do you think Justin's talents and Jim

497
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Speaker 2: and the way he coaches can kind of meld together

498
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Speaker 2: to kind of get Justin to where he should be

499
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Speaker 2: in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: Frankly, yeah, I'm curious how that how that'll work. So

501
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Speaker 7: obviously Justin is super smart. You know, you don't get

502
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Speaker 7: like a four to two and whatever biochemistry or whatever

503
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Speaker 7: he was you know taking up there or major name,

504
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Speaker 7: but super smart. He's obviously incredibly gifted. I think Jim's

505
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Speaker 7: kind of not in your face style but whatever, you know,

506
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Speaker 7: like he's it's you know, he's too old to be

507
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Speaker 7: called brash, you know, like, but he is. I don't

508
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Speaker 7: know what exactly that the word should be, but I

509
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Speaker 7: think he can probably bring some stuff out of Justin.

510
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Speaker 7: And I also think, you know, whether you guys are

511
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Speaker 7: awake closer to this than me, you know, with the Chargers,

512
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Speaker 7: but like whatever there was that was lacking, I feel

513
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Speaker 7: like Jim Harbaugh is probably what seemed to be what

514
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Speaker 7: they would exactly what the franchise needed, you know, totally,

515
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Speaker 7: and I can't wait to see it selfishly because I'm

516
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Speaker 7: in La, you know, and and look, you know, full disclosure,

517
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Speaker 7: I really liked a lot of the guys on the

518
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Speaker 7: Chargers old staff. You know, there were people had relationships

519
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Speaker 7: with and everything, and they're good coaches. I just think that,

520
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 7: you know, it kind of boggled my mind that Jim

521
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Speaker 7: flirted with the NFL two years ago and he met

522
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Speaker 7: with the Vikings on signing day, and it, you know,

523
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Speaker 7: like to me, and I get it. I'm not a

524
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Speaker 7: billionaire and I'm not the guy paying the checks. But

525
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Speaker 7: like what Jim Harbaugh did with the forty nine ers,

526
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Speaker 7: like they were spinning their wheels for a decade and

527
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Speaker 7: like by year two we got them playing, you know,

528
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Speaker 7: the Super Bowl. Like there is no doubt he is

529
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Speaker 7: a great football coach. So the fact that he landed

530
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Speaker 7: in the Chargers and as opposed to like four other places,

531
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Speaker 7: there's a huge win for LA and it's a huge

532
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Speaker 7: win for the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: I want to get back to the freak list just

534
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Speaker 3: because you know, we hear the defensive players. You talked about,

535
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Speaker 3: Chris Jenkins, He's gonna be talking on the other side

536
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Speaker 3: of the curtain from where we're sitting right now, if

537
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Speaker 3: he hasn't already. There's three It seems like completely freakish

538
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Speaker 3: wide receivers at the top of the wide receiver group.

539
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Speaker 3: How in terms of just I feel like we have

540
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Speaker 3: this conversation every year about these freaky wide receivers. Do

541
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Speaker 3: you think that's the case that next year will have

542
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Speaker 3: another great group or are these three Marvin Harrison Junior,

543
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Speaker 3: Romatunse and Malik Neighbors truly like, as someone who sees

544
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Speaker 3: the freaks and talks about every year, how are they outliers?

545
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Speaker 4: They are?

546
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Speaker 7: I mean, look like it's funny because at Ohio State

547
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Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison Junior was the best that's come through there

548
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Speaker 7: in a long time. And that and anybody who watched

549
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Speaker 7: the NFL those oh yeah, you know, like a lave's

550
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Speaker 7: turn out to be really good. Wilson's really good, and

551
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Speaker 7: Terry mclaurin's really good, and you know Michael Thomas before that.

552
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Speaker 7: And this guy is bigger, He's got you know, better

553
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 7: straight line speed than most than a couple of those guys.

554
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Speaker 7: Like it's almost like there's one quality that those other

555
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Speaker 7: guys have that may match Marvis and Marvin, but not

556
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Speaker 7: in a combination. He's more polished than the other ones are.

557
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 7: He's probably more mature coming out than the other ones are.

558
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Speaker 7: And I say that all to get to like, there's

559
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 7: a guy coming from South Florida now who's considered the

560
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 7: best receiver to come out of South Florida in generations,

561
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Speaker 7: and he's going to Ohio State and people there think, yeah,

562
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Speaker 7: he's actually better than Marvin or more gifted. So right,

563
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Speaker 7: you know, yes, yes to your answer, but there's also

564
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Speaker 7: like an asterisk with it.

565
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the league neighbors is a freak. Like you know,

566
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 2: seeing some of his tape over the last couple of days.

567
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Speaker 2: I know Chargers fans are so high on him potentially

568
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Speaker 2: at number five. When you see the needs on this

569
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Speaker 2: team and the fact that they are picking at number

570
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Speaker 2: five overall, Bruce, what do you think they do? I mean,

571
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Speaker 2: it's late February. There's a lot to be determined. But

572
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: you know, in a perfect world, you could either get

573
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Speaker 2: a blue chip wide receiver or you trade back and

574
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: just get a ton of guys build out this roster

575
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Speaker 2: for the next several years.

576
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's so many good receivers in this draft.

577
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Speaker 7: I would be hesitant to spend the to spend a

578
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 7: pick that high.

579
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Speaker 4: You know.

580
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 7: Like again, when I go out, when I was out

581
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 7: there in August, I'm looking and it's like it's like

582
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 7: you have a bunch of power forwards out there.

583
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Speaker 4: Now.

584
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Speaker 7: I know you've got Darius Davis, who's super dynamic return guy,

585
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 7: but like, by and large, like it's an impressive physical group.

586
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 7: And you know, is that the biggest need that you're

587
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 7: gonna like, I think you can get a terrific receiver

588
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 7: twenty picks later, you know, I really do. And I

589
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 7: think there's probably fifteen receivers who I think will be

590
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 7: really good NFL players out of this crop. And there's

591
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 7: some really there's a lot of freaky receivers in this group. Now,

592
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 7: different sizes guys, but I definitely think, you know, depending

593
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 7: on like if you ask me, what are there three

594
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 7: or four biggest needs, I think this is a position

595
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 7: where you can still accomplish the need and get something else,

596
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 7: maybe that high up.

597
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: I know, uh on the freaks list. And again it's

598
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 3: at the athletic there's offensive lineman on there, and you

599
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: know how Jim Harble wants to play football in terms

600
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: of the O line and whether it's at five or

601
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: if they're able to trade back a little bit. But

602
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: it seems like there are some exceptional blue chip freaky

603
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: offensive lineman in this particular draft as well.

604
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Speaker 7: There are I mean one that you know, Olu from

605
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 7: Penn State excuse me from Penn State is six to six,

606
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 7: three twenty moves really well. I mean he's a guy

607
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 7: that you know. Penn State, you know had him at

608
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 7: like four or nine seven, and any anything in the

609
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 7: on sub five when you're that big is remarkable. Altrom

610
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 7: Notre Dame is a really polished, well rounded like he

611
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 7: is going to be a horrific NFL lineman. You know,

612
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 7: I think you have a center who I think from

613
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 7: Oregon Jackson Hard Johnson is a just a beast. And

614
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 7: you know, I would ask your friend from you know,

615
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 7: who does the senior ball like what am I like?

616
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 7: Why are more people not talking about him? He was

617
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 7: a dominant player and I think he's only going to

618
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 7: get better.

619
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so charges fans are talking about it. There's like

620
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: four or five guys Bruce that that we hear about,

621
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: I think from fans. It's neighbors, it's brock Bowers from Georgia,

622
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: it's Jackson Powers Johnson from Oregon. But sticking with just

623
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: the pass catchers, brock Bauers like, where do you land

624
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: on him? He's an interesting prospect. He's he's a little

625
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 2: undersized and you know money he has talked about it too.

626
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: We have blue chip receivers at the top. Based on

627
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: how the salary cap works and what wide receivers commanding,

628
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: it almost makes more sense to just get the wide

629
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: receiver early as opposed to a tight end like Bowers

630
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: at five.

631
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he's a unique piece because he plays

632
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 7: to me like he's six four two sixty not six

633
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 7: four two forty. You watch him mall guys in the SEC,

634
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 7: which is the most physical conference and has the best

635
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 7: caliber athletes, and he would be dominant at times like

636
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 7: he's a kid from NAPA went to the SEC and

637
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 7: hit the ground running. I mean, you know if and

638
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 7: I don't think he's you know, timing and testing here,

639
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 7: but if he did, there were guys at Georgia who

640
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 7: I trust her are like he's capable of hitting four

641
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 7: four nine And if you watch his film, his film

642
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 7: is really impressive. I think he's like Jim Harbaugh did

643
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 7: some really cool stuff with a lot of tight ends

644
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 7: and a lot of different things he does in the

645
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 7: run game. Rock Bowers would would bring a lot of versatility,

646
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 7: like he's gonna be like I'm if Kyle Shanahan were

647
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 7: to ever get him, it would be like a huge

648
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 7: problem for the rest of the NFL. Like he's the

649
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Speaker 7: guy where I feel like he plays so many different

650
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Speaker 7: roles and is so good. You know, he's he'll test

651
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 7: really well at some point, but I think he's way like,

652
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Speaker 7: you know, if you told me he ran four to

653
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Speaker 7: seven four, it's supposed to four or five four, I'd

654
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 7: be like, doesn't matter. You watch what he does and

655
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 7: he's just a He's a great weapon. You know how

656
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 7: he would fit again with Harbaugh and what he likes

657
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 7: to do with tight ends. I think they would be

658
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 7: really creative. And you know, obviously the Chargers is a

659
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 7: franchise that you know, I grew up, remember when Winslow

660
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Speaker 7: and obviously people remember Gates and it's like, Okay, this

661
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Speaker 7: is a different kind of guy in terms of like

662
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 7: size and length. But he's such a playmaker that I

663
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 7: think he'd be hard not to want.

664
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Speaker 3: I'll finish with this, Bruce, and we certainly appreciate the time.

665
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: We know you get a lot going on. We were

666
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: talking about just kind of the way that that Jim

667
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: described what he wants this team to be what Greg

668
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: Roman talked about with the game and the physicality, and

669
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people are asking the well, how does

670
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert fit into that? And I a team that

671
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: you obviously covered and I called quite a few of

672
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: their games. I said, well, I just look at when

673
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: Greg and Jim Whretz Standford with Andrew Luck and the

674
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: guy threw you know, for two hundred and eighty yards

675
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: a game and thirty plus touchdowns in twelve games. Do

676
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: you think does that line up for you? Does that

677
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: make sense? Or is that just too different?

678
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 8: No?

679
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 7: I think that's a you know, it's a funny comparison

680
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 7: because like Andrew is a big, physically gifted guy who

681
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 7: ran really well, who was incredibly bright. That's Justin, except

682
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 7: Justin has a stronger arm, you know, and and like

683
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 7: a less famous dad, I guess, you know, like, but

684
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 7: but you know, and Justin didn't. Justin didn't come through

685
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 7: the and and definitely Andrew Luck was not entitled a

686
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 7: former big recruit. That was not him at all, But

687
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 7: he was a it was like a borderline manning ish,

688
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 7: you know, coming into everybody knew who he was, whereas

689
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Speaker 7: Justin you know, was walkable distance from Autsin and like,

690
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 7: you know, it was on nobody's radar other than maybe

691
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 7: Nevada and Oregon at one point.

692
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: Right.

693
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 7: So, but I think in terms of like the physical presence,

694
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Speaker 7: the physic like, I'm not saying he's going to try

695
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 7: to turn Justin into Josh Allen in terms of what

696
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 7: you know, how many you know, how he's running and

697
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 7: what he does. But I think there's a lot of

698
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 7: parallels between. You have a big, physically gifted quarterback who

699
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 7: can really move and be a problem. You know, like

700
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Speaker 7: a lot of times the Michigan offense was not you know,

701
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 7: prolific in the passing game, but JJ McCarthy would make

702
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 7: a lot of plays with his legs and I think

703
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 7: that was a good get out of jail free card.

704
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 7: And JJ can really run, he can throw on the run.

705
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 7: But Justin's like three inches taller and probably thirty pounds bigger,

706
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 7: and in the NFL, I think that kind of he'd

707
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 7: be a problem in that And I think, you know,

708
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 7: Jim Harbott to me is far removed from being stats.

709
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 7: You know, like it's just like how do we impose

710
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 7: our will on the team, how do we break the

711
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 7: will of the other team? And how do we win

712
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 7: football games? And I think all those things can work

713
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 7: when you have a talent like that.

714
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Speaker 2: Bruce last one for me, and it's not charges related

715
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: if I have you here. It's been such an interesting

716
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: off season for college football with Chip Kelly leaving to

717
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: become an OC, the BC head coach going to the NFL,

718
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: Harball retiring, Saban retiring. Is being a head coach in

719
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: college football just so different now that it's too stressful

720
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: or like, where do you fall in line in terms

721
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: of why these guys are taking jobs in the NFL

722
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: as opposed to just being a football coach.

723
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Speaker 4: So it's a great question.

724
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Speaker 7: The I'm working on a story now about kind of

725
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 7: about this and a coach I know who is a

726
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 7: really good position coach moved to the NFL and we

727
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 7: were talking about it over text and go he just

728
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 7: sent back, he goes, you know why and put period

729
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 7: the sport is broken. And I think for if you

730
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 7: ask six different people, you'll get three different answers and

731
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 7: they'll be and they'll all be valid. But I think

732
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 7: you know, on one hand, it's broken for some guys

733
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 7: because the calendar is all screwed up, and that leads

734
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 7: to you have no off season and no work life balance.

735
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 7: And then for other guys, it's the challenges that have

736
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 7: come with from NIL and that could be because it

737
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 7: screws up roster management and culture. Coaches are control freaks

738
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 7: and they want to be in control and they're not anymore,

739
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 7: and no one's going to feel sorry for them, you know,

740
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 7: right like that. But then there's also an element of

741
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 7: how does this work with we have to dumb things

742
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 7: down because now we have guys who are bouncing around

743
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 7: so much, it can't be as intricate, and that ultimately

744
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 7: hurts them in the development part because we've had to

745
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 7: simplify things a lot. And also what does that mean

746
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 7: to our locker room where everybody knows how much everybody's

747
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 7: making and there's there's you know, it's human nature, and

748
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 7: so I think all those things are real. And if

749
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 7: if you can go to the NFL, you're probably going

750
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 7: to go to the NFL, you know. I I that's

751
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 7: the vibe I got. I know too many guys here

752
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 7: who are like, they don't want to go back, you know.

753
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 7: I had I met up with a buddy of mine

754
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 7: who I knew when he was a college coach, he's

755
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 7: been in the NFL for a half dozen years, and

756
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 7: his whole feeling like he's he's he knows what's going

757
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 7: on in college football, and he watches it and he

758
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 7: has opinions on it, but he doesn't want any part

759
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 7: of it.

760
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 3: Wow, I know I said last thing, but just you're

761
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: you're a coach too, and you're going to be uh

762
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: coaching up some in a Chargers Charger launched.

763
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: That's right.

764
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 7: So yeah, we're excited about it. So I mean, thanks

765
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 7: to them, and thanks to the Chargers for spreading out

766
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 7: youth football.

767
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: You know.

768
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 7: And I think the league that that that Snoop and

769
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 7: and TJ are doing is in three different areas and

770
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 7: one I know it's in El Segundo and Long Beach.

771
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 7: I think the third area is Serrito's And you know,

772
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 7: it's good. I think it's probably good outreach too for

773
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 7: the Chargers because like the kids at that age, especially

774
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 7: in the age that I'm coaching in as third and

775
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 7: fourth graders, where I think some of them morty know

776
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 7: depending on the kid what kind of kid it is.

777
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 7: But some of them morty know these teams who the

778
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 7: players are. But I mean, you know, like we all

779
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 7: grew up rooting for certain teams and whatever makes it

780
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 7: take hold, you know, matters, you know, right, And so yeah,

781
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be really I think it's gonna

782
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 7: be really fun.

783
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're looking forward to it. Next Freaks List third

784
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: and fourth graders.

785
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 7: No, hopefully not that we're gonna draw the line on that.

786
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 4: Yeah. Pretty, you appreciate it.

787
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Thanks money. The heavy hitters keep coming once

788
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: you introduce our next guest.

789
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: So, Lance and I had the great pleasure of many years,

790
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: many years here at the combine for NFL Network in

791
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: NFL dot Com of doing the combine from the field

792
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 3: and we would sit at the finish line at the

793
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: forty and we work with Maurice Jones Drew, I know

794
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: that's why you're laughing, and I Taylor. It just had

795
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: the best time, you know. When we first got this going,

796
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 3: we were just kind of talking about the advent of

797
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: technology and how much things have changed. But NFL dot

798
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: Com would just opened a stream and from the second

799
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: the combine started until the second it was over, we'd

800
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: sit there for seven hours and Lance, for people that

801
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: don't know, I'm sure most people know if you're watching this,

802
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: but Lance is the guy that has to know every

803
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: single player that potentially could get drafted come April. He's

804
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 3: the one that writes all the bios for NFL dot com, yep,

805
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: and for all of the people that work at NFL.

806
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 3: So I would basically just plagiarize what you were writing

807
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: and make it my own. So it's great to have

808
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: him because any question you have about any player in

809
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: the draft, he will be able to answer it off

810
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: the top of his head.

811
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Speaker 4: And it makes it an awful lot of fun.

812
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 6: I was.

813
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 8: You know, it's gotten harder over the years since I've

814
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 8: got five thousand of them done.

815
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 6: The recall is not as great as it was.

816
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 8: And I remember after twenty sixteen, we were in Chicago

817
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 8: and you sent me a text. It meant a lot

818
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 8: to me, and you sent me a text I was

819
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 8: headed back to the airport you were flying out as

820
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 8: the last on site draft that we did was in Chicago, saying, man,

821
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 8: I can't believe you're able to come like really impressed

822
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 8: you're able to come up with these guys information, And

823
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 8: I really could like as soon and I'll get like

824
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 8: that again. It kind of jars the memory again when

825
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 8: you write so many of these Scouter reports, they kind

826
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 8: of run together. But this is a great refresher at

827
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 8: the Combine players. I wrote back in November. I'm like,

828
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 8: oh yeah, oh yeah, I like this guy.

829
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 6: I forgot about that, right, and so we'll do that.

830
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 8: But doing Combine stuff with you was always a blast,

831
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 8: and Bucky and just the people around that broadcast made

832
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 8: it a lot of fun. And frankly, I think what

833
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 8: we did then was really the map of what we've

834
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 8: seen more and more television broadcast. You know, I'm in radio,

835
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 8: have been for twenty six years, much like you. So

836
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 8: the idea my show has always been a fun show

837
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 8: on radio. Really that's leaking into too football and what

838
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 8: we did on our draft broadcast and Combine podcast was

839
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 8: always informative but very approachable and relatable, and I think

840
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 8: that that's where more and more, and I think in

841
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 8: a good way, more and more sports has gone in

842
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 8: that direction. Maybe over the top sometimes for some people.

843
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: But why I'm sitting here for.

844
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 3: And why you're making the rounds maybe because it tends

845
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: to happen. I tend to go a little over the time.

846
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 6: No no, no, not you.

847
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 8: I mean other shows I see now, like, oh this

848
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 8: is too much. But no, you had a healthy dose

849
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 8: of knowing mascots, knowing interesting facts on every player and

850
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 8: then having a hit the ability the ability to mix

851
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 8: in historical like historical presidential references into a cornerback.

852
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 6: You know, things like that.

853
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: Why I'm sitting here listen Lance's NFL podcast too, what

854
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: you do with DJ and Bucky and just how that

855
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: has grown over over the years. And I guess we

856
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: should just start with Jim Harball and the fact that

857
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: he's the Chargers head coach and what that means for

858
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: the team moving forward in terms of how they're going

859
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: to play football and how different the roster may look.

860
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 8: I think I think that higher in the STRINGT Coach

861
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 8: Ben Herbert are two massive, massive highers.

862
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: We hear Ben Herbert the higher of Ben Herbert. How

863
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Ben is gigantic?

864
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 8: That is Ben is a monster. I got to know

865
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 8: Ben during the Joe Moore Awards. We presented the first

866
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 8: you know, it's Offensive Line of the Year in college football,

867
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 8: and we presented it at Michigan and I met Ben Herbert.

868
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 8: And let me start with Herbert. This guy is incredible.

869
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 8: He blends When you see him, you know, he's a

870
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 8: strength coach. There's no doubt got baldhead. He's got a

871
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 8: strength coach vibe. He's not small. He lifts legs and

872
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 8: upper body and arms all of them. But the other

873
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 8: thing is he's very in tune with physical performance and

874
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 8: assessing physical performance. So he does stuff with stretching and

875
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 8: flexibility measurements when guys first come in. He does things

876
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 8: with body composition. He's open to sports science and analytics

877
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 8: of any kind. Like he's very open to everything. And

878
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 8: then he gets results. If like money will tell you,

879
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 8: every year at the Combine, it's Michigan guys who are

880
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 8: putting up these incredible numbers, whether it's Quitty pay or

881
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 8: Aiden Hutchinson. This year, Roman Wilson's about to blow you away.

882
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 8: He's on, He's one of many. Mike Santastril, the cornerback,

883
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 8: is going to be good. But what happens is Ben

884
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 8: knows how to get the most out of players from

885
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 8: a performance standpoint, maximizes their explosiveness.

886
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 6: And he does it.

887
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 8: And I ask him, I said, you know you can

888
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 8: do it coming from high school to college. That's I

889
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 8: don't think that's the I think that's in the wheelhouse.

890
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 8: What about coming from you know, you're already starting in

891
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 8: the pros, and you know his whole thing is no, no, no,

892
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 8: you can always always get better. You got to look

893
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 8: at your process and if your process isn't right, you know,

894
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 8: we'll change it. But he's a guy that players love.

895
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 8: They respond to the weight room stuff. He gets people

896
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 8: hyped up in the weight room, and and he is

897
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 8: an essential hire for hardball because you know, as football

898
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 8: people will tell you that weight coach can make a

899
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 8: strength and conditioning coach can make such a huge impact,

900
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 8: certainly on the collegiate level, but I think more and

901
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 8: more people are understanding it can make that kind of

902
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 8: difference in the pro game too, especially as it pertains

903
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 8: to be an open minded to taking in all forms

904
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 8: of improvements, maybe something that fall outside of the norm

905
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 8: of what the old NFL strength coach, you know mode

906
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 8: was Jim Harball.

907
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 6: I think Jim Harball is is a coach who players.

908
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 8: You know, he's not a yeller and screamer, obviously, he's

909
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 8: a He's a coach who's a little different, you know,

910
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 8: and you when you talk to him, you get the

911
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 8: sense that he's got a little zach grinky vibe to him,

912
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 8: which I think we'll all kind of understand what that means.

913
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 8: Just you know, a different guy, but at the same time,

914
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 8: players love him, they play for him, and there's just

915
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 8: something about him where he understands, you know. I wish

916
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 8: I could say it's some kind of genius x's and

917
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 8: o's or he's the thunder king defensive guy or offensive guy.

918
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 6: I don't know what it is. It's just the hardballs

919
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 6: know how.

920
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 8: The family knows how to ceo organizations, and they know

921
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 8: how to get the most out of people. And I

922
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 8: think that's maybe what you know what the Chargers need

923
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 8: right now? You got talent, can you start bringing it

924
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 8: all together? And and I guess just executing a little

925
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 8: higher level.

926
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: It's uh, you know, for people don't know, Lance's dad,

927
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: long time offensive line coach in the league, you've been

928
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 3: around that particular position group. You write the scouting reports

929
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: for every single player, regardless of position, but you really

930
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: excel at offensive line because maybe other people don't pay

931
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: as much attention. You go into great detail. So let's

932
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: start with what they have, what they drafted in Zion,

933
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: what they got in Jamari Sawyer, maybe what they stumbled

934
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: upon in the sixth round there there are two tackles.

935
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: We know what Slater is. Pipkins is on a pretty

936
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: affordable contract. How much difference can can Ben Herbert and

937
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: Mike Devlin and Nick Hardwick make with that current group

938
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: versus using their first two picks on a tackle in

939
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: a center.

940
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's I think there needs to be

941
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 8: some upgraded talent. I mean, honestly, I think the right

942
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 8: tackle spot. I like what Pipkins does, but it needs

943
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 8: to get better if you want to compete at the

944
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 8: highest level, which starts with just winning the division. There's

945
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 8: some very good tackles. This is a great year for tackle.

946
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 8: I think San Diego is in a I mean the

947
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 8: Chargers LA Chargers in a really great position because where

948
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 8: they are is an easy trade out. You can move out.

949
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 8: There's gonna be a ton of people that want quarterback.

950
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 8: If the quarterbacks left, you can move back and still

951
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 8: get your hands on one of the top three or

952
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 8: four tackles. And I think there's gonna be different teams

953
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 8: that really have different grades on one through four, one

954
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 8: through five. But I think moving back, adding draft capital

955
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 8: and then locking in on a tackle would make sense.

956
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 8: You could go wide receiver, certainly, in that spot, and

957
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 8: that would be I think that'd be great. But I still,

958
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 8: you know, I also believe that this is a really

959
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 8: deep draft and a second and third round for wide receiver.

960
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 8: So when I look at the composition of the draft,

961
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 8: which you have to look at it in a macro view.

962
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 8: Too many fans get excited about first round picks, but

963
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 8: really the draft and working the draft, second and third rounds.

964
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 8: You talk about Sawyer, who is a sixth round pick. Man,

965
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 8: that's an example of how very cost effective player can

966
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 8: step in and have a big role. To me, you know,

967
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 8: Fuaga from Oregon State is a phenomenal pass protector. I

968
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 8: think you could look at JC Latham, who is a

969
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 8: potential pro bow guard if he needed to move to guard.

970
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 8: He's a people mover, but I think he's a good

971
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 8: pass protector too. That's a guy who could be available

972
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 8: you could potentially move, you know, five to eight to Atlanta.

973
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 8: You've got Denver and as JJ McCarthy stock rises, you

974
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 8: have Denver and Minnesota and all these teams. The Raiders

975
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 8: right there at thirteen who could be in a rush

976
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 8: to move up. And I think five is a sweet

977
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 8: spot where you can move back and still get a

978
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 8: great tackle if that's what you want.

979
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 6: And let's face it, generally speaking.

980
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 8: You need to find the really good starters in the

981
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 8: top forty picks.

982
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 6: For tackles.

983
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 8: You can talk about being a deep draft all you want,

984
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 8: but wide receivers you can go find guys in the second, third,

985
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 8: fourth round. Tackles you kind of need to have them

986
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 8: a little earlier. That's just when you look around the league.

987
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 8: And of course we can find some outliers or some

988
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 8: solid third rounders who became starters and things like that.

989
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 8: But I just think you should build your roster to

990
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 8: be a championship team, and to do that, having bookend

991
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 8: tackles is a really big deal, especially when you have

992
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 8: Ion Johnson. I think, is you know, gonna be a

993
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 8: rock solid member of that interior. It's always a little

994
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 8: bumpy for rookies. That's just the way it goes. But

995
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 8: I think, you know, Mike Devlin's been around the block.

996
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 8: He comes from an offensive line family. His dad was

997
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 8: a long time O line coach, so or actually Devlin's

998
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 8: dad was maybe a D line coach, uh if I

999
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 8: remember correct, But his dad was in the league and

1000
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 8: and my dad coaching them.

1001
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 6: I think in two lane.

1002
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 8: So I like, I like where the chargers are headed,

1003
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 8: but I do think offensive line allows you to impose

1004
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 8: that will a little bit more.

1005
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 2: You mentioned the different flavors at tackle and that different

1006
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: teams will have them ranked differently. Which tackle do you

1007
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: think makes the most sense for what jim in the

1008
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 2: offensive line?

1009
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 6: Oh?

1010
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 7: J C.

1011
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 8: Latham, you know, So what they do a lot of

1012
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 8: is they'll do a lot of combo blocks, a little

1013
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 8: a lot of duo, which is the double team, and

1014
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 8: then work up to linebackers and stuff like that. He

1015
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 8: runs out of lot kind of a cloud of dust

1016
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 8: mentality up front when he was at Michigan, And so

1017
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 8: you want somebody who can who can and I think

1018
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 8: their tackles have been fairly average for the most part

1019
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 8: at Michigan, but from guard to guard, they're tough. They're

1020
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 8: physicals act centers. The guy who's hurt right now, but

1021
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 8: I think he's gonna be a good NFL starter. You

1022
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 8: draft JC Lathan from Alabama, and you're getting a guy

1023
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 8: who immediately starts moving people off the ball, and you

1024
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 8: start to loosen that edge up and you get a

1025
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 8: guy like Ecklerfe's back or really anybody you start running

1026
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 8: off tackle, there's a lot more room there. So from

1027
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 8: a pass protection standpoint, I think he's technically sound because

1028
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 8: he went to Alabama and their old linemen are always

1029
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 8: very technically strong. But the other thing is he has

1030
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 8: that ability which you don't see as much now with

1031
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 8: such a an emphasis on pass pro You have two

1032
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 8: guards that are smart, technically sound run blockers as well.

1033
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 8: I mean not guards, but tackles. So you got a

1034
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 8: left tackle on a right tackle who would have the ability,

1035
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 8: I think, to work great on double teams and really

1036
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 8: take some pressure off of Herbert in the passing game

1037
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 8: because you'd be able to run more. I mean, it's

1038
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 8: got to happen. You just you can't ask Herbert to

1039
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 8: do everything. You got to take some. But Latham, to

1040
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 8: me is the first guy I think of, and then

1041
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 8: you know, the next one actually could be a Faltana

1042
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 8: from Washington. He's a he's a mauler, he's tough. You

1043
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 8: don't have to get him that early. But if you

1044
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 8: wanted to move back and maybe move back again, he

1045
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 8: could be sitting there and at either right tackle or

1046
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 8: guard because you're not moving slater no matter who you draft.

1047
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 8: So I don't think you will. So I think I

1048
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 8: think the Charger's sitting in a great spot. Man, really

1049
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 8: at a really advantageous spot.

1050
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 3: What about you know, just basically lance, the way they

1051
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: work the money, it appears as though Corey Linsley is

1052
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: going to in fact retire. They need a center. It

1053
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: everybody talks about Powers Johnson, but you know, it looks

1054
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 3: like there might be one in the second Like, what

1055
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: do you what can you say about the centers in

1056
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: this draft because it looks like they're going to have

1057
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: the draft one.

1058
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 8: So Hunter, I think it's Norzab from Penn State is

1059
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 8: a starter in this league, probably a third round. He

1060
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 8: came from Cornell to where he was a tackle, went

1061
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 8: to Penn State. He's three hundred nineteen pounds, he's broad,

1062
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 8: He's got good sized bout six three to play guard

1063
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 8: or center, which you want to position, flexibility, and he's

1064
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 8: very physical. He's physical, but he's got great core strength.

1065
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 8: So when he hits guys, and I'm talking big guys.

1066
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 8: He rolled Johnny Newton from Illinois, I mean jerse On

1067
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 8: was he had him and was moving him around and

1068
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 8: I'm watching him, like, how are people not talking about

1069
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 8: this guy? And I realized, Oh, because he's just some

1070
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 8: center who had come over from Cornell, and no one

1071
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 8: really cares about that except me and people like me.

1072
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 6: As you can tell, yeah, and I like it.

1073
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: He starts talking about it.

1074
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 6: I was like, what are we doing here? Why is

1075
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 6: no one talking about this guy?

1076
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: I just wrote him.

1077
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 8: I think it was last week one of the He's

1078
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 8: probably my three hundred and thirty first ride up or

1079
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 8: something like that, And I'm like, well, this is a starter.

1080
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 8: Here's a sixty two for you, and so you can

1081
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 8: find starting centers. I know everyone's talking about. I think

1082
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 8: Graham Barton's going to be the best in this powers

1083
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 8: Johnson and Duke Yeah. Tackle, he's Teddy tackle on guard,

1084
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 8: but everyone says he can snap.

1085
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 6: He's terrific.

1086
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 8: But you have guys who, to me, you can go

1087
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 8: find starters third fourth round, especially Harball. Harball knows what

1088
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 8: they look like. They're gritty, they're physical, they get it.

1089
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 8: Get your hands on guys fairly quickly. And you don't

1090
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 8: have to have tremendous range in his offense either. So

1091
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 8: if you do, it's a big advantage, but you don't

1092
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 8: have to. You don't have to do that in the

1093
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 8: early rounds. You can go find him in a third round.

1094
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: It seems like Powers Johnson.

1095
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: Everyone's talking about this guy, and Zach Fraser is the

1096
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 2: other center that that we've been kind of talking about

1097
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 2: on this show.

1098
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: Is there a gap? Is there a huge gap between

1099
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: the guy from Penn State and in those.

1100
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 6: No, for me, Penn State's ahead of Zach Fraser. I'm

1101
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 6: lower on Zach frasier than other people.

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00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 8: Okay, I think it goes Graham Barton a little bit

1103
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 8: of a drop off to Powers Johnson. Then I think

1104
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 8: Penn State. I think I have him three. I believe

1105
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 8: I'll have to see whom I have is my third center.

1106
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 8: But and then Zach Fraser for me is gonna be

1107
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 8: fourth or fifth, So we'll see. I'm not as high

1108
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 8: on on him. I don't think he goes in the

1109
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 8: first DJ does, so we'll see who's right on that one.

1110
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 8: But it really doesn't matter for what Jim Harbaugh does.

1111
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 8: You don't have to spend crazy draft capital on the

1112
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 8: center position, but you know he might, he might look

1113
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 8: into it if you really want to firm up the

1114
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 8: offensive line.

1115
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 6: But I just think I don't know.

1116
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 8: Does How important do you guys, think the wide receiver

1117
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 8: position is.

1118
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: We talk about it a lot, and it's you know,

1119
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: there's there's a couple of different you know, I think

1120
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: schools have thought one Herbert's so good, he's gonna make

1121
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: the other guys great. He's supposed to do you know,

1122
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: So do you really have to take him? But if

1123
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: you know Roma Dune say is what DJ says he is,

1124
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: and that's Larry Fitzgerald, How the heck do you pass

1125
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: up Larry Fitzgerald be sitting there like that's that's I

1126
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: think that's true to negotiate.

1127
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: And we know what Quintin Johnson is really, I mean

1128
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: plenty first year.

1129
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I I was a little lower on him

1130
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 8: after watching the tape. Didn't think he was a real

1131
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 8: confident catcher in traffic, had too many drops. It was

1132
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 8: a little bit of watching the tape is a little

1133
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 8: bit of a concern for me. I ended up being

1134
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 8: lower than I expected. But you know, do you want

1135
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 8: to get in a spot where you're draft him back

1136
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 8: to back first round wide receivers? I mean, I don't

1137
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 8: know harballa yeah, on a hardball team, Roman Wilson would

1138
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 8: be a terrific second round So selection.

1139
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: Pause there because I know you're gonna get rolling here

1140
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: in a second if I forced you to take if

1141
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: I said, hey, you've got to take a Michigan player

1142
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 3: in this draft where you think they're going to go.

1143
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: Like so if it's a first round, you got to

1144
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: take him in the first round, secon, you know what

1145
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 3: I mean. So you're gonna have to draft that player

1146
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 3: where they would get drafted. But you have to put

1147
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: a Michigan player on this Charger team to play for

1148
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh. Which one would you want and which round

1149
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: would it end up going?

1150
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: I think I would Uh, there's eighteen of them.

1151
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, it's a great question. Is I'm going through

1152
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 8: both linebackers right now, going through Chris Jenkins. I mean,

1153
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 8: I'm working my way through. Not crazy about the two

1154
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 8: defensive ends that you have to Nickel, I'd probably say

1155
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 8: romand Wilson because he can work all three.

1156
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 6: He's a very fluid athlete.

1157
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 4: And that's the wide receiver for people listening.

1158
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 8: If you're not a I think it's I think he's

1159
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 8: he's gonna run a four to three three here. Probably

1160
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 8: Ben Herbert doesn't miss so when he tells me a

1161
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 8: guy's gonna run something, he runs it, so he's gonna

1162
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 8: run about a four to three three, which is what

1163
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 8: he told me. He is a great worker. He can

1164
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 8: work the first level with catch and run stuff. He

1165
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 8: can do a lot of slant he can get open.

1166
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 8: He's very hard to guard out of the breaks. And

1167
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 8: then he's got that speed to take the top off

1168
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 8: the defense. So give me a guy who works all

1169
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 8: three levels knows the offense, I'd say Roman Wilson would

1170
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 8: be that guy. I'd draft him. I'd prefer in a second.

1171
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 8: You guys have a second, right, Yeah, I'd go second.

1172
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 8: I think he'll be there in a second. But jesse

1173
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 8: Minner be in the DC.

1174
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: Which defensive guy do you think would make the most

1175
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: sense because you got Jenkins, you mentioned the corner Junior Colson.

1176
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 8: Of all the of all the oh, I think Cole,

1177
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 8: I think Junior Colson would the linebacker from Michigan. I

1178
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 8: think if you could find him in a third, I

1179
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 8: don't know if he'll be there, but if you could

1180
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 8: find him, my guess is he goes sometime in a second.

1181
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 6: But that would be the guy.

1182
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 8: He's a very physical player who can run, and he's

1183
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 8: got a lot of attitude and one thing we've seen

1184
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 8: with Rokwan Smith going from Chicago over to the Ravens

1185
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 8: is when you get a guy like that who kind

1186
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 8: of sets the tone, players around him start playing more confidently.

1187
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 8: We saw that with Patrick Queen became a different player

1188
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 8: when he had an alpha in the middle, and I

1189
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 8: think that's one of the things that Colson might be

1190
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 8: able to bring to the table as well.

1191
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: All Right, last thing, because you got to go, yeah

1192
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 3: real quick, for people that are watching the combine, what's

1193
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: the one player they got to watch who's gonna just

1194
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: light this thing on?

1195
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 8: Fire Man Chop Robinson. Chop Robinson on tape. You know

1196
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 8: the production is not great.

1197
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: But you watch him Penn State Defensive End, Penn State Defensive.

1198
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 6: End number forty four.

1199
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Speaker 8: He's like a mic a light where he doesn't really

1200
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 8: know how to rush yet, but he's so explosive, fast

1201
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 8: and bendy that he can just beat you around the corner.

1202
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 8: He's probably gonna jump out of the gym. He's got

1203
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 8: a chance to run in a four to fours. I

1204
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 8: think Chop Robinson is going to be the guy to watch,

1205
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 8: especially on Thursday and the first day, and then Byron

1206
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 8: Murphy from Texas is about to run in a four

1207
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 8: to sevens at over three hundred pounds, and he's going

1208
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 8: to jump about thirty six and he's going to have

1209
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 8: a workout to remember as well.

1210
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: I wish we could do this for now.

1211
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 4: He's the best. Thank you so much.

1212
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate it.

1213
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 6: Problem, I love it. Thanks guys.

1214
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: So there you have it.

1215
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: Like I said, I wish the Lance conversation could have

1216
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: gone an extra thirty minutes. He's got places to be,

1217
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: He's at different different stations here on Radio Row whatever

1218
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: you want to call it here in Indy.

1219
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 3: But awesome conversation, well, I think certainly. I mean, one

1220
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 3: of the things we can do is just get it back,

1221
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: you know, and it's probably for the best. I'm kind

1222
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: of hungry, I mean, because Lance won't just go for

1223
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: an hour, he'll go for three, so and I kind

1224
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: of would like to go grab some lunch, you know,

1225
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 3: I kind of a late breakfast. So the media meal

1226
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 3: here didn't do any favors. I thought it was going

1227
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 3: to be a nice like chicken caesar wrap.

1228
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: What was it? What was it today? Because what do

1229
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 1: you think it was?

1230
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 3: Was it like an Italian cold cuts with a It

1231
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: was it was almost like a salsa that was in.

1232
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 3: It was a very strange combination. So I took a

1233
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: couple of bites. I looked at Carly. She dusted, and

1234
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, you're gonna finish it, not me.

1235
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 3: I'm tossing this thing out off.

1236
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: Carly.

1237
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: Do you want to give you your take? You would

1238
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: give your hot take on the sandwich that doesn't. We

1239
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 2: got our charges video crew here, the best of the business.

1240
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

1241
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: Man, it's been it's been so funny. We're not done yet.

1242
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: Tomorrow another a list, guest list, and we probably have

1243
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 2: some more for the rest of the month.

1244
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: Man, it's just been NonStop here.

1245
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: It's been great. It's the combine. You know, everybody descends

1246
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: by Indianapolis. It's where hope springs, eternal players that you

1247
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 3: think are going to turn around the fortunes of your team,

1248
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 3: and a lot of people that spend a heck of

1249
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: a lot of time. It's very to me. It reminds

1250
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: me a lot of the NCAA tournament, where nobody pays

1251
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: attention to college basketball. Then all of a sudden, the

1252
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: tournament arrives and everybody's suddenly an expert. They're like, oh, yeah,

1253
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 3: this is you know, I long said George Mason was

1254
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 3: the team to keep an eye on it.

1255
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I'm watched one.

1256
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: Same thing with this is now you've got people that

1257
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 3: are like Shop Robinson say something. I was watching all

1258
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: those pennst I watched that guy coming off the edge

1259
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 3: of you know, you didn't you just read Lance's scouting

1260
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: report and now you're telling us that you love chop.

1261
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 4: But that's what happens.

1262
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 3: That's It's always one of the entertaining things about the

1263
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 3: combine to me is how invested people are in New

1264
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 3: Hampshire running back that they're telling oh yeah, best running

1265
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: back since Chip, since since Ship was there. You know,

1266
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 3: Jim Kelly was running the ball for New Amsure, I

1267
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: love this guy. He's got to be great in the

1268
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: seventh round. But and that's what we're surrounded by right now,

1269
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: a bunch of people that are all of a sudden

1270
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: experts on all things college football and projecting them to

1271
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: the pros. And that's what makes it fun because nobody

1272
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 3: knows the answers to the test. There is no answer key,

1273
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: It's gonna take us five years to figure it out.

1274
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: The one thing about this week too, the gms and

1275
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: the coaches not stressed.

1276
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: The only time they're not stressed. I think during the year.

1277
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: The coaches so like, especially the coaches. That is one thing.

1278
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: The first the first year I came here, it blew

1279
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: me away. And I'm not gonna name names, but like

1280
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: there's certain spots where you go drinking and like it

1281
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 3: would blow me away. How many coaches worked absolutely tying

1282
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 3: it on night after night.

1283
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like, is this spring break for coaches?

1284
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: They have no responsibility. Yeah, Like it's they're just they're like, whatever,

1285
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 3: I got nothing to do. I don't have a game

1286
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 3: to coach. I'm just out here having a good time.

1287
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 3: And saw a handful of them last night, as a

1288
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: matter of fact, and they have very interesting drink choice.

1289
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: This is something like this is this a glass or

1290
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: is this a bucket? This is for you, this is

1291
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: your bucket.

1292
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: But what was it? What was the drink?

1293
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 3: It was double It was a double repisodo neat And

1294
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 3: he asked for a block of ice and they said

1295
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 3: they were out, and he's like, that's fine, I'll take

1296
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: it neat. And when I say they poured this double

1297
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 3: Repisodo tequila, it was he handed him one hundred dollars

1298
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: bill and they handed him I believe, like ten bucks back.

1299
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: So it was clearly high. It was top shelf tequila.

1300
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 3: It was at least four fingers of tequila in this glass.

1301
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 3: And he just walked away like it was like it

1302
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 3: was an apparall sprits or something. Then this is this

1303
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 3: is what we're doing tonight, all right.

1304
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: This is the inside information to get in Indy.

1305
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: And the next coach, by the way, asked me if

1306
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: I could get him a yellow red bull with ice.

1307
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 3: I was like, excuse me. He's like, they'll know what

1308
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. It's like, all right, yellow red bull

1309
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: with ice, and that's all he was drinking. And I

1310
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: it was just a straight red bull, straight red bull

1311
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: with ice. At about one am, okay, it's like okay, well,

1312
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 3: you know, because we got to stay awake. Apparently we

1313
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 3: got to mix our we got to mix it up

1314
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: a little bit here. I need to get this yellow

1315
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 3: red bull in me at one am.

1316
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: The coach's baby, I will say this too.

1317
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: We got here on Monday night and Tuesday it was

1318
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: like seventy degrees. Walk out of the hotel today. Reality

1319
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: struck me in the face.

1320
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit of a firm punch. Now, I've

1321
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 3: been to combines. I think we've had two or three

1322
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 3: in the past. I can distinctly remember too where it

1323
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 3: was negative, and I remember they wouldn't let us walk

1324
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 3: through the tunnel to get to Lucas Oil, so we

1325
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 3: used to. You know, the Indianapolis is connected by skywalks,

1326
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 3: so when it's cold, you can stay inside, from hotel

1327
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: to the mall, to restaurants to Lucas Oil. You never

1328
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 3: even have to go outside from your hotel. But they

1329
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't let you go underneath the street to get into

1330
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 3: Lucas Oil Stadium because that's where they used to conduct

1331
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 3: all the medical exams, so you could that was off

1332
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: limits to everybody except for the doctors and the players

1333
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 3: that were here for the combine. So we would have

1334
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 3: to walk outside from basically the end of the skywalk

1335
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: to the front entrance of Lucas Oil, which if I

1336
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 3: had to ballpark it maybe fifty yards is what you're

1337
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 3: talking about. By the time, and I hope this isn't

1338
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 3: too graphic, by the time you would walk out the door.

1339
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: This one year, it was so cold and you got

1340
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: to Lucas oil. The snot in your nose would freeze.

1341
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: Your nose would be frozen together from those fifty yards.

1342
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: Like that's how cold it was, because your nose would

1343
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 3: start running the second you got out the door, and

1344
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: by the time you were in the middle of the street,

1345
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 3: it's now getting hard. And then by the time you

1346
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: get to the door, you're like, what is this? Where

1347
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 3: am I? Why are we doing this here?

1348
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 6: Not?

1349
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: Okay, we just went to the CVS. I just went

1350
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: with our crew and David Bretto. I don't want to

1351
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: name names, but David Bretto was like, I don't even

1352
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: want to go in the CVS.

1353
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm so cold, I'm gonna stay in the van.

1354
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 4: What did you get there?

1355
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: By the way, what did Dave get? You got a

1356
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: pedia light?

1357
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 4: Hey?

1358
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: Some people, some people go for the double Repisodo electro

1359
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 3: Electrolyte Max somebody who may have gone to Kilroy's. I

1360
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 3: don't know exactly. Some people go for certain things. Other

1361
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: peoples go for a nice light ninety five calorie beer

1362
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 3: with an orange slice in it. And we're not gonna

1363
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: name any names. You're having a good time, charge me.

1364
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: I hope you're enjoying the pods. It's been fun man.

1365
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 3: We got one more to go. Our normal time Thursday

1366
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: charges weekly for money.

1367
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm Chris. We'll see tomorrow.