WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line:  Tripp Brazeale

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<v Speaker 2>On Saturday, November two, twenty twenty four, fifteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>Trip Brazil headed out of his house in Forest City,

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas on a four wheeler. Trip grew up and when

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<v Speaker 2>he had been hanging around with his uncle and aunt

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<v Speaker 2>that day, His mother, Jennifer Brazil, told us that Trip,

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<v Speaker 2>her brother, and her sister in law went to a

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<v Speaker 2>party at a friend's house. They were in the area

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<v Speaker 2>of Saint Francis County Road four O nine, near Forest

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<v Speaker 2>City after dark and into the early morning hours of Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>November three, They continued to hang out in a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the woods called Crow Creek, riding ATVs, which are

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<v Speaker 2>also called four wheelers. Trips aunt and uncle were on

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<v Speaker 2>one four wheeler, Trip was on the other. One of

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<v Speaker 2>his friends was also there at some point riding another atv.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's mostly illegal to ride four wheelers on paved

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<v Speaker 2>roads in Arkansas and in many other places, but out

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<v Speaker 2>there in the country it is a common mode of

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<v Speaker 2>transportation for teens. His mother, Jennifer Brazil, told us that

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<v Speaker 2>Trip was homeschooled and also had a job at a

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<v Speaker 2>carpet store.

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<v Speaker 3>They love being outside, sweet, respectful kids. He knew how

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<v Speaker 3>to actuards his elders. They had been riding fullers all day, actually,

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<v Speaker 3>his brother and sister. I'm glad that they got to

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<v Speaker 3>send the day with him. Then he went by our

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<v Speaker 3>friend's house, so they were having a party. And if

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<v Speaker 3>it comes back you had alcohol in this system, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to shock me. But as far as drugs, no,

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<v Speaker 3>Trip was not a drug user. He told his friends

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<v Speaker 3>to try to stop smoking weeds. Trip was very scared

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<v Speaker 3>of drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>There were police officers near the teens in the woods

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<v Speaker 2>that night. Deputy Tray Bonham and Sergeant David Kenney from

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<v Speaker 2>the Saint Francis County Sheriff's Office had been out there

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<v Speaker 2>responding to a call dealing with a missing eleven year

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<v Speaker 2>old and twelve year old girl and boy from Cross County.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sergeant Kenny and Deputy Bonham got called out to

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<v Speaker 2>an area near Highway three eight because one of the

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<v Speaker 2>missing Cross County kids phones was pinging in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bynham wrote in his report that while they were

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<v Speaker 2>checking out a residence in the woods, they heard ATVs

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<v Speaker 2>driving around erratically. When they finished up and got back

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<v Speaker 2>to their vehicles, Sergeant Kenney went to go find those ATVs.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the first one to make contact with Trip

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<v Speaker 2>and his family members. In his report, he said that

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking to the people who were on one

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<v Speaker 2>of the four wheelers, basically telling everyone to slow down.

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<v Speaker 2>As Deputy Bontam approached, he saw one of the four

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<v Speaker 2>wheelers slow down like it was about to stop, but then,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, the four wheeler took off and passed him

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<v Speaker 2>at a high rate of speed. The driver of that

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<v Speaker 2>ATV was Trip Brazil. The police started talking to Trip's

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<v Speaker 2>aunt and uncle and one of Trip's friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Then He was riding with my brother and sister in

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<v Speaker 3>law who her dad is a state trooper, and the

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<v Speaker 3>cop pulled up to the stop sign and said what

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<v Speaker 3>are y'all doing? They said, oh, we'll just stop riding.

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<v Speaker 3>Looks a little way y'all need to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Sergeant Kenny was interviewed about this incident.

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<v Speaker 4>There's two four wheelers and four individuals there. They all

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<v Speaker 4>looked to be leaked teen's early twenties. As I got

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<v Speaker 4>out of my truck and walked around in front of

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<v Speaker 4>my vehicle, one of the four wheelers took off going

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<v Speaker 4>south on two eighty four. He went a couple hundred

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<v Speaker 4>yards and stopped, looked over his shoulder. I said, where's

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<v Speaker 4>he going. One of the kids popped up and said,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't know, sir. I said, so he's just going

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<v Speaker 4>to leave y'all here. He said, that's what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 4>Will he come back by? And he was approaching. He

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<v Speaker 4>was slowing down like he was going to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point, Deputy Bonham started his pursuit of the

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<v Speaker 2>four wheeler. He was trying to pull trip over. Sergeant

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<v Speaker 2>Kenny said he just wanted the driver of that ATV

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<v Speaker 2>to slow down. He said. He called out on the

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<v Speaker 2>radio to the driver, telling him to watch the hairpin

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<v Speaker 2>turns on the roadway. Trip didn't stop. Instead, he turned

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<v Speaker 2>onto another road, Highway four O nine, and sped away,

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<v Speaker 2>so Deputy Bottom followed him. This high speed chase went

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<v Speaker 2>on up a hill and back down a hill. Technically

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<v Speaker 2>it was a dirt burm, but that's how the deputies

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<v Speaker 2>described it. And that's when something happened, something that caused

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<v Speaker 2>Trip to abruptly stop and jump off his four wheeler

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<v Speaker 2>at twelve forty two am. This is the bodycam footage

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<v Speaker 2>of that chase. In real time. You can hear the

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<v Speaker 2>deputy yell at Trip, but he'd already gotten off the

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<v Speaker 2>four wheeler and was running. Trip was wearing a camouflage hoodie,

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<v Speaker 2>blue jeans, and boots as he took off through the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>In that bodycam footage, it looks like he jumped over

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<v Speaker 2>a barbed wire fence and took off across a field.

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<v Speaker 2>Trip didn't stop or turned back. He fled into the

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<v Speaker 2>woods and kept on running and then he disappeared. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>In that police bodycam footage, you can see trips abandoned

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<v Speaker 2>yellow and dark gray four wheeler. Deputy Bottom runs up

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<v Speaker 2>to the barber Ware fence, where he stops with his

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<v Speaker 2>gun drawn, but there's no sign of trip. He'd already

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<v Speaker 2>run into the dark woods. So Deputy Bottom goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to his vehicle and gets on the radio. Now some

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<v Speaker 2>parts of this are kind of hard to understand, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's saying that they wrecked and that he had the

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<v Speaker 2>four wheeler he wrecked out.

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<v Speaker 3>I got the fooler.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm good, but we went up, bitch, I said, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 5>When we went up that ditch right there, both of us,

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<v Speaker 5>me and him both.

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<v Speaker 2>The second officer on the scene, Sergeant Kenny, shows up.

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<v Speaker 2>They start talking about what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>There's gonna be a white male on a cam flies

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<v Speaker 5>hoodie and blue jays. Looked like he went off that way.

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<v Speaker 4>Did he roll it or something?

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<v Speaker 5>Hey turned it and jumped off and took off running

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<v Speaker 5>across the field.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, it doesn't seem like they believe that

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<v Speaker 2>this was a super serious situation. The deputy later said

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<v Speaker 2>that he had followed his partner so that he would

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<v Speaker 2>have backup if needed, but at this point they had

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<v Speaker 2>no weapons drawn.

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<v Speaker 4>He had jumped over the fence and we looked called out, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>come back to the road.

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<v Speaker 6>You've been fire a weapon or anything.

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<v Speaker 4>No sir, No sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Later police were able to figure out through examining the

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<v Speaker 2>four wheeler that the connection to the battery was lost somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>There was damage to the hot battery cable. Basically, something

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<v Speaker 2>happened that made the battery die. This was a high

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<v Speaker 2>speed chase, and both the police and trip went over

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<v Speaker 2>a hill, so it might have happened. Then The impact

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<v Speaker 2>was enough that the officers did check for damage on

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<v Speaker 2>his truck, but they said they did not find any

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<v Speaker 2>significant damage. It turned out that after Trip came off

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<v Speaker 2>that four wheeler and ran away, he started making phone calls.

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<v Speaker 2>He called his mother, Jennifer, and was also in touch

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<v Speaker 2>with his father, but at some point his phone died.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bottoms secured the four wheeler and Sergeant Kenny got

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<v Speaker 2>a trailer to take it back to the station. Once

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<v Speaker 2>they got there, they were looking for a VEN number

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<v Speaker 2>on that vehicle. Sergeant Kenny said they couldn't find one. Later,

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<v Speaker 2>he said they figured out that the vehicle had been stolen.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing else about that in the reports, so

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<v Speaker 2>I need to say I have no idea if the

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<v Speaker 2>four wheeler was stolen or who allegedly stole it, but

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<v Speaker 2>from the reports, it does not look like that was

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<v Speaker 2>the police priority. They were focused on finding Trip. When

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bynum and Sergeant Kenny were trying to pull over Trip,

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<v Speaker 2>they said they didn't know who he was, but they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know his family.

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<v Speaker 4>This late at night would allowed for the waking folks

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<v Speaker 4>of and I know his dad, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Know his mom, and I know his brother, but I

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<v Speaker 7>wouldn't know him if he walked up and spit on

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<v Speaker 7>it and I don't know if he recognized me, and

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<v Speaker 7>that's why he took off and wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>To be the chasing Deputy Bonum said that another deputy, Deputy, Bradshaw,

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<v Speaker 2>reached out to Tripp's father. This would have been at

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<v Speaker 2>around one am. According to the incident report, Tripp's parents

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<v Speaker 2>said he had still not come home and that they

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<v Speaker 2>were going out to look for him, and according to

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<v Speaker 2>Sergeant Kenney's report, Jennifer was in touch with Trip during

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<v Speaker 2>this time and pleading with her son to come out

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<v Speaker 2>and turn himself in, while at the same time trying

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<v Speaker 2>to calm him down. Both of Tripp's parents were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to reassure him that they were on their way to

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<v Speaker 2>find him. Jennifer said that after Trip was thrown off

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<v Speaker 2>his four wheeler and walked through the woods for a

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<v Speaker 2>period of time, that he called her to come and

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<v Speaker 2>pick him up. So Jennifer and Gil headed out to

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<v Speaker 2>Highway four oh nine to the area where Trip was

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<v Speaker 2>last seen. When they arrived, deputies were still there. Trip

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<v Speaker 2>talked to other people too, and one of his friends,

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<v Speaker 2>who was interviewed by police, said that Trip's location could

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<v Speaker 2>be viewed on Snapchat live. At some point. Sergeant Kenney

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<v Speaker 2>said that he got Trip's phone number. He said he

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<v Speaker 2>sent Trip a text himself, but Trip never responded. He said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I only wanted to tell the kids to not drive

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<v Speaker 2>reckless at night. If he had only stopped, then I

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<v Speaker 2>would have just called his dad. His mother showed me

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<v Speaker 2>a text where I was telling her that he was

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<v Speaker 2>a screw up and apologies to both parents. End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>That text was sent at one forty one am, but

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes after that, sometime around two am, Trip's

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<v Speaker 2>phone went dead. Meanwhile, an anonymous phone call was placed

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<v Speaker 2>to the Sheriff's office.

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<v Speaker 5>We got an unknown anonymous phone call, and the phone

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<v Speaker 5>call whoever it was, stated that he was in the woods.

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<v Speaker 6>He was behind the church on Sec.

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<v Speaker 5>Four O nine in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bonhams said that an anonymous caller told him that

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<v Speaker 2>Trip had been driving the four wheeler. He said that

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<v Speaker 2>some deputies went out to that area behind the church

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<v Speaker 2>and looked for Trip, but couldn't find him. Police talked

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<v Speaker 2>to one of Trip's friends. This is from Deputy Tray

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<v Speaker 2>Bonham's body camp. You can hear him talking to the

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<v Speaker 2>friend asking him if he knows anything about Trip's whereabouts.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, man, you've been bored for a while.

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<v Speaker 6>He's up.

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<v Speaker 5>Tell me the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the truth. You know what, Trips.

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<v Speaker 8>I ain't gonna fucking clue what Trip. I've been trying

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<v Speaker 8>to find Trip, my damn hill to him, get.

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<v Speaker 5>The fuck home, not being a dat When I say

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<v Speaker 5>this ranning, it's Raine ran out of his shoes. It's

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<v Speaker 5>fourteen years old, and nobody's singing or hear.

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<v Speaker 2>Trip's friend shows the deputy where Trip's last location. Pinned.

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<v Speaker 2>Trip was on Snapchat and his friend used a live

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<v Speaker 2>location video to show the deputy trips last location.

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<v Speaker 8>So look right here, you got where four nine splits.

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<v Speaker 8>That's f C four or nine goes two ways. That's

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<v Speaker 8>where it was three hours ago. I'm sure that's where

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<v Speaker 8>he left. The fool was right there over there and

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<v Speaker 8>took off front of him for at the end of

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<v Speaker 8>this day, in or one of the others. That's fourteen

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<v Speaker 8>minute drive from here.

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<v Speaker 5>My main concern is if he's hurt.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean the way y'all said he jumping.

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<v Speaker 4>Ran from the politics.

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<v Speaker 8>I got toldkay when he walked in, it's like a

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<v Speaker 8>little brother to me.

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<v Speaker 6>I got his back like I had my little brother back.

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<v Speaker 8>But in this situation, I tell where my little brother was.

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<v Speaker 3>I have what tripple was.

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<v Speaker 5>I tell you well, I'm heard a bug out there.

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<v Speaker 5>If you hear anything, lemon know.

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer was also upset that, in her words, that the

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<v Speaker 2>police seemed to be more concerned with securing and taking

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<v Speaker 2>the four wheeler than they were about finding her son.

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<v Speaker 3>I last talked the trip at one and I made

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<v Speaker 3>it to the woods at two o'clock, where his phone

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<v Speaker 3>went dead and the full wheeler was already gone. There

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<v Speaker 3>were no cops out theirs. I hollered, went in the woods,

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<v Speaker 3>hollowed for trip nothing but within that amount of time

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<v Speaker 3>that foll whelller was already gone. They weren't looking for

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<v Speaker 3>my kids. They wanted the full wheeler. He followed his

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<v Speaker 3>vehicle up on the embankment after the trip, where it

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<v Speaker 3>looked like he could I possibly use the vehicle as

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<v Speaker 3>a deadly weapon. Actually called me and said they got

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<v Speaker 3>the full wheeler because he was hiding. Apparently that's what

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<v Speaker 3>it sounded like. And I said, okay, I'm coming to

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<v Speaker 3>get you. He said, well, my phone's about to guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I've got your fans location on all my way.

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<v Speaker 3>She said okay. I said I love you. He said

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<v Speaker 3>love you too. So it wasn't like guy who was

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<v Speaker 3>arguing with him or killing him on the feature foot

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<v Speaker 3>when you get home. It was just coming to get you.

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<v Speaker 3>One I got a weird text message with another County

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<v Speaker 3>Talk who at this time we found out was not

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<v Speaker 3>even on night shift. Pe' dayshift, so why did you

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<v Speaker 3>call my husband's phone at one nine? At the same time,

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<v Speaker 3>I got a weird text on my phone from Trip

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<v Speaker 3>and said they got tripped with then one until ocock

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<v Speaker 3>the foiler was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Jin and her husband kept searching for Trip throughout the night.

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<v Speaker 2>The police search also went on late into the night

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<v Speaker 2>and into the next day. At four twenty am, Sergeant

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<v Speaker 2>Kenney asked the fire department to send out drones with

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<v Speaker 2>thermal and night vision, but they found no trace of Trip. Later,

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<v Speaker 2>Jen posted on social media that she found that suspicious

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the drones found no trace of Trip,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he was supposed to have been running through

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<v Speaker 2>the woods. But drones that respond to body heat can

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<v Speaker 2>have lots of obstacles. They don't always work perfectly. They

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<v Speaker 2>can be impeded by trees or outdoor temperature, wind, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of other factors. At seven twenty am, the

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<v Speaker 2>East Arkansas Department of Corrections brought in their tracker dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>The dogs were released where Trip had been when he

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<v Speaker 2>fled the Saint but they were unable to get a

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<v Speaker 2>tracking sent on him. Then they were taken to the

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<v Speaker 2>area where Trip's cell phone had last panned. Still no luck.

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<v Speaker 2>The Arkansas State Police were called in to assist. So

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<v Speaker 2>now you have the ASP, the Saint Francis County Sheriff's office,

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<v Speaker 2>the Game and Fish Commission, and multiple other organizations, plus

0:17:29.481 --> 0:17:33.840
<v Speaker 2>tons of local volunteers. Everyone in that county was looking

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<v Speaker 2>for Trip Brazil. Local news crews were talking to Tripp's

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<v Speaker 2>family and word got out fast, both on the news

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<v Speaker 2>and on social media, and a lot of people were

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<v Speaker 2>asking how this happened. This was a kid who knew

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<v Speaker 2>the area well, so they couldn't figure out how he

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<v Speaker 2>had gotten lost out there and just disappeared, and why

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<v Speaker 2>with all the people searching for him, he hadn't been found.

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<v Speaker 2>Searchers fanned out all over the area where Trip was missing,

0:18:02.001 --> 0:18:05.041
<v Speaker 2>a part of the woods near Crow Creek. The area

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<v Speaker 2>near where Trip went missing is basically on the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of Crowley's Ridge, which is a continuous range of rolling

0:18:11.401 --> 0:18:15.881
<v Speaker 2>hills that goes from Missouri across eastern Arkansas. The area

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<v Speaker 2>got its name from the first white settler to reach

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<v Speaker 2>the area, Benjamin Crowley. The ridges happened when the Mississippi

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<v Speaker 2>River changed course at one point and kept cutting into

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<v Speaker 2>the terrain, so you have this really unique geographical feature.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes from flat Delta country to an elevation of

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty feet really quickly. This terrain can

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty unforgiving even for people who know it well,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's very easy to get lost up there. And

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<v Speaker 2>told the local wrig news channel that she thought that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Trip would walk back to where he believed he

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<v Speaker 2>had left the ATV, and then because the police had

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<v Speaker 2>taken his vehicle, she said maybe he couldn't find it,

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<v Speaker 2>So she reasoned that he may have started walking into

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<v Speaker 2>the woods, gotten disoriented somehow, and gotten lost. His mother

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<v Speaker 2>said that Trip had last been in touch with him

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<v Speaker 2>in the early morning hours on Sunday, that Trip was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the police chasing him, that he was scared,

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<v Speaker 2>and that he wanted his parents to come get him.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she believed that Trip jumped off his ATV

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<v Speaker 2>and over a barb wire fence in order to escape

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<v Speaker 2>the officer who was pursuing him. She was basing that

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<v Speaker 2>on the fact that near that fence they found Trip's

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<v Speaker 2>hat in his shoe. This was just a few feet

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<v Speaker 2>from where he came off as four wheeler and started

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<v Speaker 2>running from police. They found something else on Monday too.

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<v Speaker 2>Searchers found more of Trip's clothes, his other boot, his hoodie,

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<v Speaker 2>his cell phone, and his wallet, and Jennifer said the

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<v Speaker 2>way that his clothing was found was odd. His sweatshirt

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<v Speaker 2>was lying on some leaves and his phone, wallet, screwdriver,

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<v Speaker 2>and phone charger were laying on top of the sweatshirt.

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<v Speaker 2>So she wondered, why would Trip have left his stuff

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<v Speaker 2>out there in the dark like that, or could something

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<v Speaker 2>else have happened to him? Did someone else leave the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff out there?

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<v Speaker 3>Later well, Monday morning, we mysteriously find his other boot

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<v Speaker 3>and his hoodie and siphon and wallet. It wasn't their Sunday,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was their Monday some reason. His sweatshirts, phone wallet, screwdriver,

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<v Speaker 3>and phone charger were laying on top of his sweatshirt.

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<v Speaker 3>But then he hundred yards up the other side of

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<v Speaker 3>the ridge he found his boots. I don't understand that,

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<v Speaker 3>because if I'm gonna go ahead and take off my

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<v Speaker 3>sweatshirt that I have, I'm going to take off my

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<v Speaker 3>last boot that I had on. Anyway, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go further up and then put my boot there and

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<v Speaker 3>then continue to walk. Because we found his boot and hat,

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<v Speaker 3>and they brought dogs in and the dogs never hit

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<v Speaker 3>on anything.

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<v Speaker 2>So now she was thinking that this was seriously odd.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would he start taking off clothes in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night and keep running. And Jennifer said, this

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the first time that Deputy Bonham had gotten into

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of a confrontation with her son and his

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<v Speaker 2>friends over riding four wheelers in that area.

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<v Speaker 3>Just because Tripp had out Randim on the four wheler before,

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<v Speaker 3>and he told people that he would get him, and

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<v Speaker 3>he made sure that Trip was aware of that that

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<v Speaker 3>he told people. It was supposedly said that this other

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<v Speaker 3>boy he was chasing, he pulled up in their driveway

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<v Speaker 3>one day and Trip his name was mentioned in that

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<v Speaker 3>conversation that if he's seen him again, he would kill him.

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<v Speaker 2>But Deputy Bonham stated in his report that he had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea that the driver who had doubled back and

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<v Speaker 2>passed back by him and turned into a highway four

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<v Speaker 2>O nine was Trip, even when he was close to it.

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<v Speaker 2>On Monday, November fourth, the Arkansas State Police were called

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<v Speaker 2>in to assist. They found Trip's iPhone in the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>It had died, and it was turned over to police

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<v Speaker 2>and taken in for data extraction. Later that afternoon, at

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<v Speaker 2>around four thirty pm, an Arkansas Game and Fish Commission

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<v Speaker 2>officer saw something north of Benner State forty, near the

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and forty three point seven mile marker. It

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<v Speaker 2>was Trip's body. He was hanging from a tree at

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<v Speaker 2>around four thirty in the afternoon on Monday, November fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six hours after fifteen year old Trip Brazil got

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<v Speaker 2>into a high speed chase with a police officer in

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Francis County, Arkansas, his body was found hanging from

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<v Speaker 2>a tree. We filed freedom of information requests and we

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<v Speaker 2>were able to get copies of the incident report, though

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<v Speaker 2>parts of it were redacted, probably due to Trip's age.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to cover this case because we get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of calls from parents and from other family members

0:23:10.761 --> 0:23:13.361
<v Speaker 2>who believed that their loved one did not take their

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<v Speaker 2>own life, and that there was some kind of foul

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.721
<v Speaker 2>play not suicide involved. We wanted to see what we

0:23:19.801 --> 0:23:23.481
<v Speaker 2>could do to help Trip's family get answers. At first,

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<v Speaker 2>we wondered if Trip's four wheeler incident could have been

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<v Speaker 2>something else, Maybe the police truck had hit him, or

0:23:30.641 --> 0:23:34.121
<v Speaker 2>there was some kind of automobile accident. There has been

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of publicity in recent years about the

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<v Speaker 2>so called pit maneuvers in Arkansas. That's when police try

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<v Speaker 2>to stop a high speed chase by forcing the other

0:23:45.441 --> 0:23:49.241
<v Speaker 2>driver into some kind of a wreck. There have been

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<v Speaker 2>fatalities as a result of some of these maneuvers, so

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<v Speaker 2>we wondered if this could have been a pit maneuver.

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Bonham was interviewed about the police chase and he

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<v Speaker 2>was asked why he was chasing Trip in the first place.

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<v Speaker 6>So we can get some clarifications on one thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>of course it'll be brought up. The reason why he

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<v Speaker 6>was chasing him was because it appeared to you he

0:24:15.681 --> 0:24:18.601
<v Speaker 6>was fleeing from David Kitty. And do you know why

0:24:18.681 --> 0:24:20.721
<v Speaker 6>David Kinny even stopped him for he was just was

0:24:20.761 --> 0:24:22.401
<v Speaker 6>he just doing a welfare check on was there a

0:24:22.481 --> 0:24:24.841
<v Speaker 6>reason for him? Stime was was there on a road

0:24:24.921 --> 0:24:26.841
<v Speaker 6>that went to vote for Adam for wheelers?

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<v Speaker 5>It was on Highway two twenty four and in the

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<v Speaker 5>area of that neighborhood was driving at the redick speed too?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, anxiously And so do y'all think that this person

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<v Speaker 6>they may have been a part of that kid that

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<v Speaker 6>may have been missing his opinion from Cross County?

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<v Speaker 5>Nosha, I don't these two, Like I said, it was

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<v Speaker 5>eleven and twelve.

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<v Speaker 6>Years old, okay, So you just in that area, but

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<v Speaker 6>then ran across to them and decided to check him

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<v Speaker 6>on the reason why I was saying that because it's

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<v Speaker 6>late at night.

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<v Speaker 5>Late at night to four, but there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>people driving through there at that time. You know, someone's

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<v Speaker 5>intoxicated and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 6>That give me your reason for chasing him. That's I'm

0:25:03.801 --> 0:25:05.761
<v Speaker 6>gonna make sure I understood your reason.

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<v Speaker 5>The blue lights and the sirens for the four wheeler

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<v Speaker 5>to stop, and it didn't stop.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, But what was the probable cause?

0:25:12.881 --> 0:25:15.441
<v Speaker 5>I guess what I'm trying to say, the excessive speeds and.

0:25:15.921 --> 0:25:18.400
<v Speaker 6>Did you clock them on radar? Just no, sir, No,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not trying you know what I'm saying. That's just

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<v Speaker 6>what I won't because what the family gonna say is

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<v Speaker 6>this and that another other you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that he estimated that his speed was around

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<v Speaker 2>eighty miles an hour while chasing the four wheeler. Now,

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 2>apparently some four wheelers can get to speeds of seventy

0:25:35.481 --> 0:25:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to eighty miles per hour. The more average speed on

0:25:38.521 --> 0:25:42.201
<v Speaker 2>four wheelers ranged generally from around fifty to ninety miles

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<v Speaker 2>an hour, though again Deputy Bonum admitted that he had

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<v Speaker 2>no way of checking and did not know how fast

0:25:48.961 --> 0:25:53.001
<v Speaker 2>the fore wheeler was actually going. Trip's mom said that

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.281
<v Speaker 2>he had traveled quite a distance from the spot where

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<v Speaker 2>he left his four wheeler.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they said about sum orles and it's growth terrain.

0:26:01.601 --> 0:26:05.921
<v Speaker 3>It was Crowley's ruge I means hold that you couldn't

0:26:05.921 --> 0:26:07.921
<v Speaker 3>see that was covered up with leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>The police said that early indications pointed to suicide, but

0:26:13.001 --> 0:26:16.761
<v Speaker 2>from the beginning Trip's parents felt that the circumstances around

0:26:16.761 --> 0:26:20.761
<v Speaker 2>his death did not add up. Trip's body was found

0:26:20.881 --> 0:26:23.521
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of some dense woods. He was hanging

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<v Speaker 2>from a tree overlooking a gully. There was a deer

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<v Speaker 2>stand thirty feet south of where the body was found,

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<v Speaker 2>and police figured out that the green rope that was

0:26:32.281 --> 0:26:36.521
<v Speaker 2>removed from Trip's body was actually a ratchet strap. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a match to the green one that was tied

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<v Speaker 2>around the deer stand to secure it to a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Police cut Trip's body. He was taken to the Morgue

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<v Speaker 2>in for At City, and that's where his mother, Jennifer,

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<v Speaker 2>saw her son for the last time.

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<v Speaker 3>What they're saying, but it's hard to believe that he

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<v Speaker 3>walked up far in the woods and in the creek.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you say he didn't have any damage to the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom of his seat. Nope, none, not a scratch. And

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<v Speaker 3>I walked through those woods for two days and I

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<v Speaker 3>had blisters on my feet and scratches from where Old

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<v Speaker 3>Bob War was laying under leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>His mother wondered why that deer stand, in particular, why

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<v Speaker 2>would he choose that location.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't get to see him until after he was

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<v Speaker 3>brought back to the funeral home, and the first thing

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<v Speaker 3>I looked at wasn't the bottom of his feet, because

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<v Speaker 3>hesedly went there footed and there was no scratch, no bruise.

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<v Speaker 3>But they had his body to overed up. His doctor

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<v Speaker 3>even came to the house that night and Chris were

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<v Speaker 3>talking now and she said, it's not who Trip was.

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<v Speaker 3>Trip was a I don't give a f kid.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that she was told that the police officer's

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<v Speaker 2>body camera was recording when Trip's body was cut down,

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<v Speaker 2>and the police told her they found no signs of

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<v Speaker 2>foul play, which Jennifer said she found hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I said, there should be something wrong with the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom of his feet, and I thought for myself that

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<v Speaker 3>nothing was wrong with him. Yeah, bruising around the eyes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>bruising around the neck, between his big knuckle and ring finger,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a big gash like he had been in

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<v Speaker 3>a fight, Like he was fighting. He was putting up

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<v Speaker 3>a fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Trip's devastated family had to try to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. What would cause a healthy and happy fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old to take his own life just because of

0:28:35.121 --> 0:28:38.081
<v Speaker 2>an incident with a four wheeler. Why would he kill

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<v Speaker 2>himself over something that seemed to be so minor. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the questions that I had, and that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other people have had in Saint Francis County and

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere else, is how common suicide is and young teens

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<v Speaker 2>and would this even be something that someone that age

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<v Speaker 2>would do on the spur of the moment like that?

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<v Speaker 2>According to report from the National Library of Medicine, which

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<v Speaker 2>looked at patterns and suicides in the United States from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine through twenty twenty, In that twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>year period, there were forty seven thousand, two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen adolescent suicide deaths, and hanging in exphyxiation is now

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<v Speaker 2>right up there with firearms as having the highest age

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<v Speaker 2>adjusted suicide rates among Americans of every age. Death rates

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<v Speaker 2>for all means of suicide on average increased annually from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine to twenty twenty, but actually hanging in

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<v Speaker 2>exphyxiation had the largest absolute increase among male and female

0:29:32.961 --> 0:29:37.561
<v Speaker 2>adolescents in a nutshell. Sadly, this is becoming a more

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<v Speaker 2>and more common choice for teens who may be at

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<v Speaker 2>risk of suicide. The Arkansas State Police took over the

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<v Speaker 2>investigation into Trip's death, and it was not long before

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<v Speaker 2>rumors were flying on social media. Suicide is not a

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<v Speaker 2>common occurrence in Saint Francis County. According to data from

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<v Speaker 2>the Arkansas Department of Health, Saint Francis County actually had

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<v Speaker 2>zero suicides in twenty twenty three. However, we do have

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<v Speaker 2>to keep in mind there are only just a little

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<v Speaker 2>over twenty two thousand people in the entire county, so

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<v Speaker 2>it is pretty sparsely populated, but suicide happens everywhere for

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<v Speaker 2>children and teens trips age. The causes of suicide can

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty complicated to figure out. In around forty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of use suicides, there is some sort of precipitating event

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<v Speaker 2>like sexual abuse or the death of someone close to them,

0:30:26.521 --> 0:30:29.521
<v Speaker 2>or even things like divorce, But that also means that

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<v Speaker 2>in sixty percent of cases there is not an obvious cause.

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<v Speaker 2>So in a lot of these cases, teens this age

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<v Speaker 2>can and do make impulsive decisions that can be hard

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<v Speaker 2>to understand. So Trip's devastated family was true trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make sense of why he would do this, and they

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<v Speaker 2>also weren't sure about the police's version of events. Tripp's

0:30:50.761 --> 0:30:53.521
<v Speaker 2>families say there were no mental health issues and zero

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<v Speaker 2>indication that he could be thinking of taking his own life,

0:30:57.601 --> 0:31:00.401
<v Speaker 2>but it turned out that Trip did send another text

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<v Speaker 2>That night, we got more of the Foyer fileback, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of the items that we got was a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of a text message that was sent from Trip to

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<v Speaker 2>a family member shortly after he disappeared at one forty

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<v Speaker 2>one am. It read, in part quote, look, I love

0:31:18.441 --> 0:31:20.321
<v Speaker 2>y'all so much, and I'm so sorry to do this

0:31:20.361 --> 0:31:23.881
<v Speaker 2>to y'all. I love you more than anything. I guess

0:31:23.881 --> 0:31:26.401
<v Speaker 2>it took me till now to realize that y'all have

0:31:26.481 --> 0:31:28.681
<v Speaker 2>been great parents to me. I guess I'm just a

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<v Speaker 2>fuck up and I couldn't change that. I wish I

0:31:31.201 --> 0:31:34.401
<v Speaker 2>could have. I'm sorry. None of this is y'all's fault,

0:31:34.521 --> 0:31:38.081
<v Speaker 2>only mine. I love y'all. I'm sorry I should have stopped.

0:31:38.761 --> 0:31:42.121
<v Speaker 2>I love y'all so much. My phone is about to die,

0:31:42.281 --> 0:31:45.001
<v Speaker 2>so I got to go. I hope this makes it

0:31:45.041 --> 0:31:47.681
<v Speaker 2>to y'all. I never wanted to end this way, but

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it has to end quote. His family reached

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<v Speaker 2>out to him after that to say they were on

0:31:55.121 --> 0:31:59.361
<v Speaker 2>their way, but Tripp never responded, and at some point

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<v Speaker 2>his battery must have died out there. This is such

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<v Speaker 2>a tragic story because I completely understand why Trip's parents

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<v Speaker 2>and many other people in the community may have believed

0:32:12.161 --> 0:32:14.801
<v Speaker 2>that there was some kind of foul play involved, but

0:32:14.921 --> 0:32:18.321
<v Speaker 2>the evidence that we have seen does not support anything

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<v Speaker 2>other than a suicide. It seems as though Trip's death

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<v Speaker 2>was a series of unfortunate events. Each one on its

0:32:25.881 --> 0:32:30.321
<v Speaker 2>own might have seemed small, but taken together, unfortunately, it

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<v Speaker 2>seems they led to a devastating consequence. I wish that

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<v Speaker 2>I had a better answer for Tripp's family, but the

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<v Speaker 2>reality is we may never know why he did what

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<v Speaker 2>he did that night, or what was going on in mind.

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<v Speaker 2>But I believe that Trip's story is important to tell

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<v Speaker 2>because part of this show's mission is helping families get answers,

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<v Speaker 2>even when those answers may not be what they want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear. In twenty twenty, there was one death by

0:32:59.921 --> 0:33:03.881
<v Speaker 2>suicide in the United States every eleven minutes. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to let you know there's now a national number that

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<v Speaker 2>you can call for help. It used to be known

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<v Speaker 2>as the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. Now it's called the

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<v Speaker 2>nine eight eight Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. To reach out,

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<v Speaker 2>you just dial nine eight eight and you'll be connected

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<v Speaker 2>directly to a mental health professional. There are versions of

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<v Speaker 2>this service for veterans. There are versions in Spanish. There's

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<v Speaker 2>also a video version for people who may be hard

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<v Speaker 2>of hearing or who use American sign language. There are

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<v Speaker 2>also lgbt QI counselors. There are versions of this service

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<v Speaker 2>for everyone. Trip's death is an absolute tragedy and I

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<v Speaker 2>can only hope that in some small way this might

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<v Speaker 2>help someone else who's struggling out there to reach out

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