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Speaker 1: this is going to be a very cool conversation. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how cool I could talk about war as

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Speaker 1: but Ukraine has been under the pressure from Russia to

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Goldhagen.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show. Benjamin.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Ras, I love your show, and it's really great

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Speaker 2: to be talking to you and also to the people

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Speaker 2: who watch your show, because I think they have a

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Speaker 2: better idea of life and I never knew that before

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Speaker 2: I went to Ukraine than most people in civilian life.

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Speaker 2: It's the same all over.

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Speaker 1: That's very kind of you to start the show off

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Speaker 1: with saying those nice words. I'm grateful and I'm stoked

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Speaker 1: and I know you've been on the front lines. Like

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Speaker 1: in the very beginning, I'm going to dive into your

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Speaker 1: bio real quick, Ben and just let our listener hear

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Speaker 1: a little bit about you, and then we'll crack you

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Speaker 1: open like an egg. Okay, so stand by, Here we go,

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Speaker 1: Here we go. I'm pretty good. Okay, here is okay.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to find out more about Benjamin,

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Speaker 1: you can go to Hartcastmedia dot com forward slash Benjamin

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Speaker 1: Dash Goldhagen.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to tell you that.

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Speaker 1: And Benjamin Goldhagen is a committed human rights advocate and

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Speaker 1: expert on Ukraine, deeply immersed in the region's geopolitical dynamics

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Speaker 1: Benjamin's personal history fuels his unwavering dedication to preventing atrocities

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Speaker 1: Benjamin collaborates extensively with Ukrainian communities, offering strategic support and

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Speaker 1: advocating for policies that bolster Ukraine's fight for freedom and justice.

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Speaker 1: His expertise extends to combating Russian disinformation, ensuring that truthful

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Speaker 1: Through his relentless advocacy and deep understanding of Ukraine's socio

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Speaker 1: for peace and human rights. Okay, now let's welcome again

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and I swear to God I did not

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Speaker 2: write that. I'm really impressed.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, you know, it's wonderful to have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's a whole lot of things.

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Speaker 1: I went this misinformation is what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 2: of these conflicts are genocidal, and you know, the ideas

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Speaker 1: And so if I were to bring up the steel porcupine, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but that was the mentality, my mentality in making this

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Speaker 1: Time, the steal Porcupine, and I just wanted to kind

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Speaker 1: have an understanding of what's going on. And there's a

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Speaker 1: And there's other press there and so I mean, if

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Speaker 1: hit you looked up Benjamin Goldhagen, you would see the photo.

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Speaker 1: If it's interesting to you, go check that out. You know,

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Speaker 2: And and so the first the first film, which is

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Speaker 2: And uh, and I went just film Christmas. And so

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Speaker 2: and it's it's a bad place where we film Christmas.

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Speaker 2: We filmed it in a number of places, and if

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Speaker 2: One of the and the main place, which was the

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Speaker 2: one of the we were actually we were under fire,

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Speaker 1: Re educating them, making them, you know, think that this

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Speaker 4: It's propaganda is heavy, right.

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Speaker 1: Trying to get to the bottom and root of why

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, over there, what happens if you if you

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and so it's it's an they are they

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Speaker 2: what do you call it? A gas station ground of

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Speaker 4: Yeah I do. I do.

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Speaker 1: I remember a lot of this. And I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: and off they go and bringing back, you know, insights

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Speaker 4: We ready for that?

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Speaker 1: Because in Kiev and Ukraine, that's what's happening all of

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Speaker 1: to go eat or go. You're outside having a good time.

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Speaker 4: You know.

437
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that we as the US citizens are

438
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: ready for that kind of warfare.

439
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 4: I don't think Kiev wants it.

440
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: But now Kiev's getting Rubik's cubed into this tougher we

441
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: have to battle now.

442
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because it's this existential fight, the Ukrainians are

443
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: not giving up. They know that if they don't fight,

444
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: this is sort of like this is like the US

445
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: fight for independence in seventeen you know, in seventeen seventy

446
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: or six. They but instead of instead of King George

447
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: just we decide that we want freedom. That's what they want. Also,

448
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: they in response, they are under threat of being completely

449
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: wiped out, and so they are going to fight whe

450
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Speaker 2: their bare hands. As you know, if you watch A

451
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: Steal Porcupine, which is my latest film, John Radcliffe, the

452
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: head of the CIA, he says in Congress, he says

453
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: that the Ukrainians will fight with the bare hands if

454
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: they have to, because they because basically if they don't,

455
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: if they don't do everything they can to win, and

456
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: they will win one way or another. They're not going

457
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 2: to lose. Put it that way. The Russians are totally

458
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 2: set on wiping out every hospital, every school, every every child,

459
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: will abduct or take away and kill as many people

460
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Speaker 2: as they can. You know, the death toll in this

461
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: war is just horrific on both sides. And but surrender

462
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: means death. So there is you know, as Churchill said, there,

463
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Speaker 2: you know, there's I forget the quote exactly, but there

464
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: there basically is no choice of sub victory.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no other way out except like up. You know,

466
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: it's like, there's no other way. You got to go

467
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: through this. You gotta do. And sadly, I'm not like

468
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: lecturing anybody. I'm just saying this is it's kind of

469
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: appalling to sit back here and be able to do

470
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Speaker 1: the things that we do on a daily basis knowing

471
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Speaker 1: that the war's going on. And I get people that

472
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: tell me we want you to do something about it,

473
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: want you to go over there, we want you to

474
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: go do.

475
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Speaker 4: Something about it. I'm just like, man, that's the attitude.

476
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Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, are you ready really to have something

477
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: just blown up while we're sitting here having this conversation.

478
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Speaker 2: The way I to follow what you're saying, it's sort

479
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: of like, because now there's talk about trading, about giving

480
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: up some territory. What would happen if a country came

481
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Speaker 2: and took Florida, Like I just invaded and took Florida,

482
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: and we say, oh, you know what, you got Florida

483
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: last week. That's okay, it's yours now, don't we don't

484
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: want it anymore. I mean, we would go out, we

485
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: would go over there and we would do everything we could,

486
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: and we would take Florida back. That's exactly what's going on.

487
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: And and if they don't, and if you don't, if

488
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: you let them take Florida, well what's next Texas? You know, dude?

489
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: Look at how look how we fought over the islands

490
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: in ewo Jima. Look at the little black rocks of

491
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: island that we fought and died on to raise a

492
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Speaker 1: flag just because there was no value there. And let alone,

493
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Speaker 1: if somebody came in to take sovereign land from us,

494
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: what would that type of thing look into. It's like

495
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: I could only imagine.

496
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Speaker 2: And and that and that's in a way what what

497
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Speaker 2: what I want the the the administration now here to

498
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: understand what really is going on and that the Ukrainians

499
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: are not going to stop just because somebody wants them

500
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Speaker 2: to stop. You know, there is only one way for them,

501
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: and that's to survive. And you know, and it's very

502
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: noble because they're fighting. Some of them are fighting to

503
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: the death, and they are doing the great job. You know,

504
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: the innovation, you know, going to how they're doing it.

505
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: They have no air force, but they create an air

506
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Speaker 2: force with drones. You know, it's like they couldn't. They

507
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: went to the West, they said, give us planes, no planes.

508
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: So you had a luck. So I said, okay, fuck it,

509
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: We're going to take these like Chinese drones off the

510
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: shelf and we're gonna put We're gonna put weapons on them.

511
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: And then now it's just you know, morphed and and

512
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: uh become a true air force in a lot of ways.

513
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: You know, that is just surprised the world. You know,

514
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: they've they've knocked out they have no navy, but they've

515
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: knocked out Uh maybe they've knocked out a good part

516
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Speaker 2: of the Black Sea Fleet. They're the only country that

517
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: has destroyed a Russian submarine after World War Two. They

518
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Speaker 2: did it in a dry dock. The thing was in

519
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: dry dock, so they hit it. I mean, these guys

520
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: are smart you know, the Ukraines are really really.

521
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, right, and and I don't think really you know,

522
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: they want all the death you see Ukrainian like Zelenski

523
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: and the cabinet and all the people fighting.

524
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Speaker 4: They're, like you said, in a self defense mode.

525
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: Okay.

526
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: And and and if that means that now in order

527
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: to stop them from attacking them, they got to go

528
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: deep and strike a nuclear, a submarine or something some

529
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: factory that is producing the things that are killing them,

530
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: then all at it. Because like when I was growing up,

531
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Speaker 1: my dad taught me, if you're ever in a fight,

532
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: there's no fair fight. It's like you shove a thumb,

533
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: you grab something, you stick it there, whatever it is.

534
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: There's no rules in a fight because again, like you

535
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Speaker 1: said to your hands, last breath, you defend yourself.

536
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, there is one. There is a caveat to

537
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: that is that they are fighting according to the laws

538
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: of war. They're not hitting civilians, they're not there. They

539
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: are fighting against the military of the other side or

540
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: the logistics of the other side. And they're they're not

541
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Speaker 2: hitting hospitals, they're not hitting they're not killing people. They

542
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: are taking prisoners and treating them well, I mean, when

543
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: you look at the prisoner exchange, you know they are

544
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Speaker 2: treating prisoners and feeding them as they do their own

545
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: troops there. You know, some of the Russians when they

546
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: get captured, they're actually pretty happy because they they're not

547
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: going to die and they get fed better and treated

548
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: better on the Russian side.

549
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Speaker 1: And I hear that all the Russians are defecting to Ukraine.

550
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: So that's great, So keep doing that, Russia will just defect.

551
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, more surrenders, it makes it.

552
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, just surrender, and it was a propaganda surrender. Russia,

553
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: just surrender, just give it up.

554
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: They're not exactly at that point yet because they died

555
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: too quick. They get filled. You know, they're they're being

556
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: put into the grinder, and they grinder every every boy.

557
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: Everyone's estimate it's about fifteen hundred right now. Currently about

558
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred men a day are being killed that are

559
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: Russian or on the Russian side, and they're running out

560
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: of you know, they've gone around the world. This is

561
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: total insanity.

562
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: And North Korea is involved. Okay, you've got Chinese soldiers involved, You've.

563
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: Got so they called some of the North Koreans that

564
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: to go over to Ukraine because the South Koreans are

565
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: fighting for Ukraine. Right, This is how fuck the whole

566
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: thing is.

567
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: It's propaganda.

568
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 2: And so with Wagner, you know, Wagner Group was was

569
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Speaker 2: you know, they were it was composed of prisoners, ex prisoners,

570
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: and Wagner went around to prisons in Russia and said, hey,

571
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: if you want to get our prison you come fight

572
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: with me. And that was the deal. And they would

573
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: they would come and they would die. And then then

574
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: they went to other countries, you know, the bad boys,

575
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: and they took prisoners from their countries to fight. Now

576
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: all those guys are dead. Now, all those guys are dead.

577
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: So then that's when they went to North Koreans because

578
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: they ran out of prisoners. Now they're you know, now

579
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: the North Koreans say, hey, this is too fucked. We're

580
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: just getting killed here. So now it's supposedly they're they're

581
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: they're in the rear.

582
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: And and let's remember North Korea is not just sending

583
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: people for free, right. It's not just like, oh, hey,

584
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: this is a good war and we're obligated, you know,

585
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: through our treaties to fight together. No, they're getting something

586
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: for every single one of those deaths in resources, uh

587
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, survivability for their regime and all that kind

588
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: of stuff from you know, Russia and their uh comrades.

589
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is so that this basically is a madman.

590
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, when when we're making the film, when we

591
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: make our film, sometimes we play Austin powers because with

592
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: doctor Evil, you know.

593
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Speaker 4: Exactly one million dollars.

594
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: And he has like he has like the table, the

595
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: table and like the guy with the eyepatch, and this

596
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: is exactly how it is. They've got Iran, China, North Korea,

597
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: and like every once in a while, you know, there's

598
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: somebody who they okay, like who pisses off Doctor Evil

599
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: and the trapdoor opens and the guy drops down and

600
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: just drops and so like we play that a lot

601
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: because or it's like you know, it's like hey, check

602
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: it out, and because that really is the mentality here.

603
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: This is true evil and and what we should do

604
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: we should get you know, this is the advocacy apartment.

605
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: We need. We need to help the Ukrainians to victory

606
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: that at this point, Russia can't win this war. They've

607
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: been going for four years, they've gotten almost no land

608
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: and they've lost you know, they have over a million casualties.

609
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: And if we had gone in earlier with the weapons

610
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: that they need to supply them, not to no knut

611
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: boots on the ground, they it would have put an

612
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: end to it earlier. And by delaying basically the UH

613
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: by delaying the aid that they need. And it's not

614
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: in money necessarily, and a lot of it is surplus weaponry.

615
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: You just need the right tool at the right time,

616
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: and we just don't give it.

617
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: To see and I think a lot of us here

618
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: in stateside, in the US and around here, Oh, we

619
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: just sent like, you know, ten billion dollars to Ukraine,

620
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: and they're thinking, like check cut to ten billion dollars,

621
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: they cash it, They're gonna go spend it on their

622
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: own fashion. However, when you're talking about government contracts getting

623
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: bid on for m wraps, which are like you know,

624
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: up armored, you know, transportation vehicles for our soldiers, they

625
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: come in at like let's say five hundred thousand dollars

626
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: to a million to build, okay, from the contractor. Then

627
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: that gets sold to the American people's taxpayer dollars and

628
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: that goes to war. Well, we have a surplus of those,

629
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: and so they're gonna say okay, well, let's give some

630
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 1: of that over to Ukraine to help them, because there's

631
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: some you know, some some assets.

632
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 4: It's not cash, it's like an asset.

633
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: Like when they're asking for Tomahawk missiles at a million

634
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: to pop, they're gonna say, okay, we give him forty tomahawks.

635
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 4: That means we gave him forty million dollars.

636
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: But in the in the grand scheme of things, it's

637
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: not really forty million dollars because we all know government

638
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: contra are totally inflated to jack the taxpayer of their

639
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: dollar because it's a government contract. So in essence, a

640
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Tomahawk missile might cost maybe a quarter of a million dollars,

641
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: but it's sold to the American government at a million dollars,

642
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: and then they now have this million dollar machine or

643
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: this weapon to send and then they say, here's a

644
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: billion dollars worth of goods, and everyone's like, oh, we

645
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: need to keep our money here.

646
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: And really it's just defensive equipment.

647
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: It's Patriot missile systems, it's different things that have just

648
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: these high price tags that aren't really a price.

649
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: Now, when it comes to the account a lot of

650
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Speaker 2: it is creative accounting. I'm not an expert in that area.

651
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm not either. I'm just a backyard I'm just a yapper.

652
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: But there are guys who figured it out. And it's

653
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: it's not like dollars spent here, like it's not like

654
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: going to buying new stuff and sending it. Some of

655
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: it is. A lot of it is decommissioned stuff.

656
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 4: Respect will be demilitarized.

657
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. But but Trump, I have to give Trump some

658
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: credit for you know, is is which always puts me

659
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: in trouble when I say give Trump any credit or

660
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 2: you know, if I say anything on political in any way,

661
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: half the people in the world hate me. But and

662
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: I'm for anybody Democrat or Republican who want to help Ukraine.

663
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: But he you know, he got the Europeans to pay

664
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: now for the weapons, and so it's helping US trade

665
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: to and the deal is now that the Europeans provide

666
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: the weapons to Ukraine and then backfill their inventory with

667
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: new contracts with the United States. And so it's actually

668
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: to the US advantage right now, to economic advantage that

669
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: this war is working out pretty well now for the

670
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: US from that standpoint, but also from the standpoint of

671
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: besides being the right thing to do, and a lot

672
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: of places to do the right thing. This continuing is

673
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: decent abilizing so many arenas, and it's making us look

674
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: worse with China too that we can't you know, peace

675
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: through strength, we're not showing it. We should help the Europeans,

676
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: help Ukraine finish this thing off, and not with boots

677
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: on the ground. Ukrainians want to fight. They just you know,

678
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: they came up with the drone air Force because would

679
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: no one would help him out if we just gave

680
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: them what they need, then they wouldn't have to figure

681
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: all this shit out, you know, and it would have

682
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: been over already.

683
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: So to go back to twenty fourteen when Crimea was

684
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: definitely be you know, try to be annexed, right, and

685
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: you know Obama was in office, President Obama and they

686
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: shot down the civilian airliner. He kind of took a

687
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: step in that direction of sending our boots on the ground.

688
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: A lot of folks don't realize that the Green Berets

689
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: and special forces were set over immediately to work with

690
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: all of the Ukrainian special forces in that in that

691
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: lane to be ready for what we're dealing with today.

692
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: And so you know, his insight into like Okay, we

693
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: can't let this happen. You know this, you know, the

694
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: way he would stare down putin face to face. It

695
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: was never like hey, buddy, old Palette was just like, man,

696
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: you're you're you're a criminal, you know, and I'm staring

697
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: at you in the face of a criminal. And and

698
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: and now it's like, oh, handshake, roll out the red carpet,

699
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: let this guy tap dance on our on our soil,

700
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: and you know, show them all of our air power

701
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: and and.

702
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 4: All these different things.

703
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: It's like such a difference in in you know, like

704
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: situational awareness with what's really going on.

705
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: You know, like, well, you know, I don't want to

706
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: get too much into the current negotiation with that sort

707
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: of thing, because but I think, I think, I think

708
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: President Trump has taken a long journey to from where

709
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: he started when he became president in addressing the war,

710
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: to where he is now. And I really don't know

711
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: where he is now exactly.

712
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: Well, he was a in the beginning too, like this

713
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: is the second swing at the situation.

714
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a whole four years.

715
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: In between where it was kind of like trying to

716
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: get stopped as well, and even President Biden could have

717
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: sent tomahawks and you know, all these different things to

718
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: Ukraine at the same time. You know, But I guess

719
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm getting that is you know, we kind of spend

720
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: Our special forces are the best in the world, you know,

721
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: and they go over there and they help these guys,

722
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: and they teach these guys how to defend themselves and

723
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: they implement that to themselves. And you know, special forces guys.

724
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: Our number one export in America. Do you know what

725
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: it is? Some people might say, oh, oil rat or

726
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: maybe like fabric.

727
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: No, it's our military.

728
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: Our number one export in the United States of America

729
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: is outsourcing our military. We ship our military all over

730
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: the world for conflict to all these different places with

731
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: all of our weaponry. So, like you said, it keeps

732
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: the economy going. Our economy is sending our number one resource,

733
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: which is our military. Are men and women who fight

734
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: and raise their hand to be a part of America

735
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: and defend it.

736
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I I right now. The Ukrainians. What the

737
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: Ukrainians want, They don't want boots, They just want a

738
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: few tools. And if we give them, and if it's

739
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: not even given tools, the Europeans will pay for it.

740
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: Now they'll pay for the tools. We just need to

741
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: give them the tools. It's like you know, anybody in battle,

742
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: you know, if you have the right weapon, even if

743
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: you have the wrong weapon, but it's good enough, that's

744
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: what you want. But if you go, if you if

745
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: you're in the fight, and if you're in the fight

746
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: and you can only stand off your opposition, that kind

747
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: of sucks, you know, but you're willing yet you're gonna

748
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: have to do it for as long as you can.

749
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: And that's that's and we could just help them go over.

750
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: But I think, you know, recently, I recently I started

751
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: looking into World War One a little bit because people

752
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: have compared the positional warfare of this war with World

753
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 2: War One. You know, because for three years pretty much

754
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: the Lions didn't change very much in World War One,

755
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, everything changed. And I

756
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: think that that could happen. Because you mentioned crimea, some

757
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: people think military people think that there can be a

758
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: breakthrough coming up by basically a major change in how

759
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: things are operating. One is, if we gave them the weapons,

760
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: then it would happen. But what happened in World War

761
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: One was the Battle of Amiens which was the first

762
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: major combined arms battle, and until then they were all

763
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: in trenches and it was the first time that everything

764
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: was put together as we know it, airpower, tanks, infantry,

765
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: and it was the breakthrough that the that the Australians

766
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: of British made through the German lines that in one

767
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: hundred days they were the war was finished. And because

768
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 2: they couldn't the German said it was worst. The worst

769
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: day of the war was that was the beginning of

770
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: that battle. And it's possible that Ukraine and so the

771
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: people who say, oh, yeah, it's been a position of ward,

772
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: it's always this way, it's it's never going to change,

773
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: well all they need to do is look at World

774
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: War One and say everything changed on that fat you know,

775
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: basically on that field and that Amiens was fought over

776
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: for for a very long time, for months and months

777
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: until until it was an Australian general. I think it's

778
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: more Ash and Monash who came up with this concept

779
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: to apply and that just changed the war. So I

780
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: think in many military I'm not a military guy, but

781
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: many really smart military guys like Ben Hodges, you know

782
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 2: who us or or Mick Ryan, who Australian who who

783
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: really understand battle and understand war, that there is a

784
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: way for Ukraine to break through and change the nature

785
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: of this war if we give them the help or

786
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: be if when they have enough time to do what

787
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: they might do with crimea which some people think, I

788
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: won't go into the battle aspects because that's not my thing.

789
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to stay this way. And right now,

790
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: also recently Ukraine has been at treating the logistical lines

791
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: and also the petrochemicals of Russia that they're now at

792
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 2: thirty percent of the maybe they've lost maybe thirty percent

793
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: of their petrochemical business, and they're basically instead of waiting

794
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: for the US and Europe to apply economic sanctions, they're

795
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: doing it themselves by you know, daily missile strikes and

796
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: drum strikes on the you know, in the back, on

797
00:43:53,960 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: the refineries and the terminals. So the war is and

798
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: so anybody who says right now, some people, unless you

799
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: follow it really closely, you don't have an idea. It's

800
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: like any war unless you it's like anything in life basically,

801
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: unless you really understand what's happening on the ground, you

802
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: just don't know what the thought's going on.

803
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.

804
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: That has to do with some of our politicians also.

805
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: And would you say that, you know, making such a

806
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: film and continue to do this mission that you're involved

807
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: with with you know, bringing Ukraine to light and talking

808
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: about it, that there is a lot of disinformation, even

809
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: from our politicians and even from all sides of it,

810
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: Like how do you kind of steer that and navigate

811
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: that while you're producing these you know, these films?

812
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I feel I have a pretty good

813
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: sense of what I had an idea what this war

814
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: was on the what the full scale invasion was at

815
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 2: the beginning, because I understood, I believe the war aims.

816
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: If you have to start with what is the war

817
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: aims of the adversary? And what are your terms of victory?

818
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: You know, something so basic is what's Russia trying to achieve?

819
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: You always need to know what the enemy is up to,

820
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: what and in order to understand what the situation is,

821
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: what's going what goes on with the misinformation or a

822
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: lot of people is they follow battles in the sense

823
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: or they follow an attack, but they don't understand the

824
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: big picture. So what I try to do in the

825
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: Steel Corcupine is I create the big picture for people.

826
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: The what the war aim of Russia is for a

827
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: long time, which has been to have Ukraini about Ukrainians,

828
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: what the Ukrainian response is, which is their spirit is

829
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: to fight and to prevail, and what the international response

830
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: is and what it has been because it fucked up

831
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: a few times, like you mentioned the Budapest or.

832
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 4: The nuclear proliferation of the nuclear arms in ninety four.

833
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Mensk agreement and written in the film. Bill

834
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: Clinton is later interviewed years later saying he regrets having

835
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: forced the hand of the Ukrainian president at the time

836
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: to give up the nukes because he said, and Putin

837
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: went to pull this stunt his word, Bill's Clinton's word,

838
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: pulled this stunt if they didn't give up their nukes.

839
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: So we've so we haven't really understood the aim of

840
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: the adversary. And so that's my That was the purpose

841
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: of this film is to find what the war aim

842
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 2: is so you can so then you can so then

843
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 2: when you see an event or you hear misinformation, whatever

844
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: it is, then you can put it into a box.

845
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 2: And he say, oh, this is bullshit, because they're saying, oh,

846
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: for example, they steal children. I mean they really are

847
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: stealing a lot of children. Thirty five thousand is the

848
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: number right now that some people believe. And they say, well,

849
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: why are they doing that? You know they like children?

850
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: Is that why they're doing it? You know they need

851
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: more kids in around you know, why are they doing it?

852
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: That's that's the That's what I'm trying to do. I'm

853
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: trying to answer the question why and put it in

854
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: the perspective of the big picture and so as that's

855
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: my and to do it in.

856
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: And it's a city of kids.

857
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: Some cities that are incorporated in the United States of

858
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: America have less than a thousand people living in them.

859
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: This is a thirty five thousand person city of kids.

860
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 4: Gone, yeah, snatched, yea, gone.

861
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Wiped out, put it somewhere, put back into a uniform,

862
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: re educated, killed, whatever the case is.

863
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So some of the kids, because they started in

864
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, some of the kids grew up, you know,

865
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: basically now they're reaching adolescents and some you know, even

866
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: what however, the war is four years old and so

867
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: so at first it became this education program. You're not

868
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 2: allowed to speak Ukrainian, you have to become Russian because

869
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: and then they identify. You know, you bring up the

870
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: kid with Russian, you can bring them up as anything.

871
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: You you know, your parents influence you. Well, that's how

872
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: it works. But the problem, the problem now is a

873
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: big problem is that they're they and so part of

874
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: their school, I'll tell you, part of their school now

875
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: is to learn military things. And some of the schoolyards

876
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: have trenches for you know what kind of school has

877
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: a trench? Right, but not just a regular trench, not

878
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: like it's straight trench with like different terms there. It's

879
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 2: like a certain zig zag and and a certain kind

880
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: of zigzag in a certain way, which is characteristic of

881
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: the trenches now in the Dombas because of drone strikes.

882
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: So they're if they were straight trenches, a drunk can

883
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: just go straight down the down the trench. So they

884
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 2: have a lot of turns in these trenches. Two and

885
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: then if there's you know it's this is go back

886
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: to World War One, So if there is an explosion

887
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 2: also in one part of the trench, it's not going

888
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: to travel down. But and so some of these schools

889
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: that that where these kids have been stolen to and

890
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: now they're being educated so called and they're top military things,

891
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: and like the playground, if you want to think of

892
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: it as a playground, there's really a training ground. And

893
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: uh and now they're being sent to fight and they

894
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: die that way. It's really it's really a horror story.

895
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 4: You know.

896
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: I've seen some video footage of kids in what they

897
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: say is like a Russian school setting, and what they're

898
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: doing is there disassembling the ak in like thirty seven

899
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: seconds and the assembling it.

900
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 4: You know.

901
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: It's like this footage has gotten out in the and

902
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: the girls she can just like do it with one arm. Now,

903
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: why would you learn to dismantle and reassess, rumble anything

904
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: with just one arm. It's in case you don't have

905
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: your other arm, you see, And why would you not

906
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: have your other arm?

907
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: You know.

908
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: It's like what's the preparation of that?

909
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like, you know, seeing that and just

910
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: knowing that that's existing, you know, and now here in

911
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: the US they're wanting to like have that same type

912
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: of I don't know, you know.

913
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: I mean deer hunter.

914
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Safety class is what I went through as a kid,

915
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, hunter safety. If I'm going to go shoot

916
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: a gun, you know, et cetera. It's like you know,

917
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: and I grew up different. My dad was a Green Beret,

918
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: so I grew up in that same kind of environment

919
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: of dismantling and seeing all that equipment being in.

920
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 4: An armory all day. And you want to know what's funny,

921
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 4: Let me just say this. Let me just say this.

922
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: My dad's office was in a junior high school with

923
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: his entire team. So the junior high is where I

924
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: went to school. But I would just walk out of

925
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: class and go to my dad's office next door, which

926
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: was at the school. So you know, we use the

927
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: school as well, you know, in the US to protect

928
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: our valued assets like SF teams, you know, and you

929
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: know we're no different and what they're doing, I guess

930
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, man.

931
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: This is just like, well it's kind of different.

932
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is the difference is like, you know,

933
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: they're stealing the kids. We're not stolen. They're putting the

934
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: kids from Ukraine in these schools. We're just going to school,

935
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: normal days.

936
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: School.

937
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: You know, we don't think twice about the fallout shelter

938
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: below in the school.

939
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: Well there's I think there's different between offense and defense.

940
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I agree.

941
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just kind of frustrated, and maybe I

942
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: just am just a regular American also frustrated. You know,

943
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: it's like, why can we not just you know, have

944
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: peace in Ukraine? Why did they have to get rid

945
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: of all their nukes? And did they that's my question?

946
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, they really did. I mean it really, So if

947
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 4: you have twenty seven nukes.

948
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: What we want, what we want is Russia has to

949
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: be It's basically the evil Empire, the Iranians, the Chinese,

950
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 2: Chinese half and half depends how you look at them.

951
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: And you know, Trump, once you let these guys do

952
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: bad stuff, they just keep doing bad stuff, right, you know,

953
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: It's like and that's real. And so part besides being

954
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: the right thing for Ukraine, it's the right thing for

955
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: the United States because you have to show strength again,

956
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: especially for Europe, to show strength against the oppressor, because

957
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: you know there are other countries involved also. And then,

958
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, the fuckery isn't just kinetic, it's also

959
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: in cyber in all different kinds of ways that are

960
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: really nefarious to our way of life. That we want

961
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 2: to have a good life here, but to have a

962
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: good life here, we have to make sure that our

963
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: adversary is not trying to undermine it. And you know,

964
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 2: we found that out with you know, nine to eleven.

965
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: You know what the bad guys can want to do

966
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: to us, and the bad guys are all united. You know,

967
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: let's let's not you know, I should probably should know

968
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: this is but this is where Ukraine gotes into the

969
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: rest of the world. The guys are all united and

970
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: we I'm not saying we go fight everywhere, but we

971
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: have to be pretty savvy and we I'm not we.

972
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 4: Do fight everywhere.

973
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: America does get its hands in a lot of conflicts.

974
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: Like I said, a number one exported resource is our

975
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: Joe's with the equipment, you know, and sadly, yeah, and

976
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, yeah, Josephine's you know, one

977
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: hundred percent.

978
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: You know.

979
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 4: Boy, Wow, dude, I can't believe the.

980
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: Photographer an hour about this because there's like so much

981
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: more that we can just go back and forth on.

982
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm just like, first of all, I just there's so

983
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,959
Speaker 1: many questions in my mind of Ukraine. But I think

984
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: I know or I stand. I stand with Ukraine personally,

985
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: you know, even as a journalist and as someone who

986
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: runs a podcast, I don't think Ukraine wants the blood

987
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: bath of a nuclear war. I don't think Ukraine wants

988
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: to have to decimate an entire city to say, leave

989
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: us alone. I think they should just be left alone.

990
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: And yet you know the pipeline that goes from you know,

991
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: the sea through Crimea into Europe. You know, those things

992
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: are what's all being fought over and the resources in

993
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: the area. Again, and what do we know Ukraine asked, Okay,

994
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: the blue on the Ukraine flag is for the sky

995
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: and then the yellow in the Ukraine flag is for

996
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: the wheat and the and the bread and the wheat

997
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: that they grow. So those are their flag. That's their flag, right,

998
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: So that's how important it is. And that's not Russia's flag, right,

999
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: it's Russia doesn't have that. They don't have the bread basket.

1000
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: They want Ukraine. They want all of those resources and everything,

1001
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: including that pipeline. It seems like that goes into Europe

1002
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: to like cut that off, like fuel, oil whatever.

1003
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the the Ukrainian want to basically, the Ukrainian

1004
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: people they want what we want in the West. They

1005
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: want freedom. They want to live like just bring people free, enterprise,

1006
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: have a good life. And they were doing that before

1007
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, to the most part before three years ago,

1008
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 2: where three and a half, almost four years ago, before

1009
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: they were attacked, before you know, someone tried to take

1010
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: more of Florida.

1011
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: If you want to pulling in twenty fourteen, let's go

1012
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: back to when you know, Putin really kicked off the

1013
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: whole yeah, invasion and right the aggress.

1014
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: They want to live in. They just want to live

1015
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: in peace and have a proct risk country and be

1016
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: part of the West and be part of the EU.

1017
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: And that's what we want for ourselves. We want to

1018
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: have the freedom to be who we are and live

1019
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: the life we want to live. And it's really just

1020
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 2: very very basic on that regard. But at the same time,

1021
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 2: they don't want to they are at risk of getting

1022
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 2: wiped out. Yes, on the one hand, they're moving towards freedom,

1023
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: and on the other hand, the Russians are trying to

1024
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: wipe them out. So this is really probably, if it's

1025
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 2: done right, this is going to be the last battle

1026
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: and they'll and they'll succeed at that and have a

1027
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 2: country and have and have freedom and become, you know,

1028
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: become a part of Europe in a way that the

1029
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: rest of Europe is right now even probably even better

1030
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: than the rest of Europe. It's a lot like you know,

1031
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: but speaking to American audiences, a lot of people don't

1032
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 2: know other countries that well. But Poland is a really

1033
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: great example of a country that was part of the

1034
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: Soviet Union and modernized and now it's just a really

1035
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: fantastic country. Their roads, let me tell you something. Their

1036
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 2: roads in Poland are better than our roads in the US.

1037
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: I've been, you know, all around Poland, all around the US.

1038
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 2: They they you know, we have potholes everywhere. They don't

1039
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: have potholes everywhere, you know, they they have great What's

1040
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: really great is that they have uh these uh you know,

1041
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: it's like gas stations, but they're like super like they're

1042
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: much better than seven eleven's on the road where they

1043
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 2: have like hot food and it's like everybody stops at

1044
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: it and has a great meal. And this is This

1045
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: is in Poland, but also Ukraine has those two and

1046
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: it's something that Italy has them. We can really upgrade

1047
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that we do here, you know,

1048
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: in some ways if we just looked at other countries

1049
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: a little bit better, you know, and get focused and

1050
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: see the good stuff that other countries are doing a

1051
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: lot of our you know, a lot of our people.

1052
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: We're very proud people. Sometimes there are things that we

1053
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: can learn from the rest of the world that would

1054
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: make us even better.

1055
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 4: I love that.

1056
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: And we should always look to our neighbors to see

1057
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: how it's going over there, and oh hey, cool, you

1058
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: guys have this going on. Maybe we can adopt some

1059
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: of that in our business practices. I mean, I do

1060
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: love a global economy. I don't want to be just

1061
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: a one sect economy just focused on ourselves. I like

1062
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: a world economy, you know. I want to eat food

1063
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: from other places that can come to the US. I

1064
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: don't want to pay high tariffs. I don't want to

1065
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: have all this type of stuff over here. And you know,

1066
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: here's me complaining about that. And in Ukraine, all they

1067
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: want to do is just be free, just be left alone,

1068
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: just live their life, go to the park with their kids,

1069
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: walk their dog with their grandma, and not have some

1070
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: hypersonic missile fly over their head.

1071
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 4: And then we hear in the news five people killed.

1072
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you know, I've been I've been building.

1073
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned already that. You know, one place

1074
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: I was in was hit when we film, it's dangerous

1075
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: because whenever there's outgoing you can count on incoming return fire.

1076
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: And and so that's an interesting experience because like we

1077
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: were filming artillery. We were filming this piece of artillery,

1078
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: you know, firing and it's not there's not training fire.

1079
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: This is this is you know, the real thing. This

1080
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: is combat. And and then I didn't even see it,

1081
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: but almost instantly a lancet which it's it's a loitering

1082
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: drone came at us and was shot down by a

1083
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: man pad and it was like, everyone's really happy. I

1084
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: just heard, like, you know, I heard one more explosion.

1085
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: There's just so many explosions you can't tell which is

1086
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: which a lot of times. And it's like, well they

1087
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: got It's like what did they get? It's like good

1088
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: thing coming at us. And that was you know, and

1089
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: so we had filming, you know, going back to the filming.

1090
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: Filming in these places, it's you know, it it's not

1091
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: it's not easy, I can say that. But in order

1092
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: to tell the story, in order for to to really

1093
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: get the life of people, you have to be out

1094
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: there with them, you know, you just have to be

1095
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: out there with them, and you have to you know,

1096
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: my life is on the line. I have to trust

1097
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 2: that and their life is online that I don't fuck

1098
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: them up. And that's why a lot of journalists, I

1099
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: don't know if you get how you're gonna if you're

1100
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: gonna edit this, are you gonna edit this? This is great,

1101
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: but a lot a lot of big because you know,

1102
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: we should you know, to to your folks a lot

1103
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: of times when a journalist shows up because technically I'm

1104
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: a filmmaker, I'm a filmmaker, but there I have pres

1105
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: cinentils and you're a journalist. You know that's me too,

1106
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: that's what you say. And and you know, generally speaking,

1107
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: soldiers don't like journalists. You know, it's like, what the

1108
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,479
Speaker 2: fuck is this guy here for. It's like he's just here,

1109
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: and there's like a lot of some animosity because like

1110
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: it's really really hairy in a lot of places, like

1111
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: this guy is just here to make a buck on

1112
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: my you know, basically me taking a risk and he's

1113
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: going to make some money on it. And people have

1114
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: said that to me. It's like, what the fuck are

1115
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: you doing here? You just want you know, you're just

1116
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: you just want to to to basically, uh, basically take

1117
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: advantage of our of our hell kind of thing, and

1118
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: and so and so there's a lot. So it takes

1119
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: a lot, and it takes a lot to get trust

1120
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: in these kinds of situations when you're with guys a lot.

1121
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: And I remember that Sebastian Younger. I saw him speak

1122
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: once and you know he and uh Harrington was his

1123
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: partner who was killed in Libya later. Uh. You know,

1124
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: they when they did Restrepo, which I think is a

1125
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: great film. You know, they were they were hit and

1126
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: they were injured, and they were evact and then they

1127
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: came back. They went back to the to the to

1128
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: Restrepo where they were filming, and and they said and

1129
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: everything changed after that because then they then the guys

1130
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: saw that they were one of them, you know. And

1131
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: I kind of had that myself, and I thought of that.

1132
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: I thought of that when uh, after we were hit

1133
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: and you know, my crew, my crew left and uh,

1134
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: and they took off and and a couple of us stayed.

1135
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: Three of us stayed, and uh and one of one

1136
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: of the one of the guys said, you know, uh,

1137
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: he said the same thing. He said, Uh, you came back,

1138
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: so we respect you because we we we we respect you.

1139
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 2: And that created more intimacy. And when you see what

1140
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: we've done in in in the zero line, that created

1141
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: a lot of trust and a lot of intimacy because

1142
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 2: they they knew I wasn't just there too too. Uh basically,

1143
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: you know, do war porn if you and that. And

1144
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 2: one of one guy said to me, the press officer

1145
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: said to me, that unit of that brigade. He said,

1146
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 2: you know, everybody comes here to film combat, but you

1147
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: came here to film us. Yeah, and that really, that

1148
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: really and that was really that. I never thought of

1149
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 2: it quite so clearly, but when you said it, you know,

1150
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: that was really my intention and and so so it

1151
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: took me a long time. I didn't know anybody going

1152
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: into Ukraine starting out, and not a single person in Ukraine.

1153
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 2: But I wanted to tell the story. And now I've

1154
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: been doing it for about four years now, and it'll

1155
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: be coming up because of the anniversary. And at this

1156
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: point I'm pretty well and it's pretty well understood by

1157
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people that I either deal with or

1158
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 2: need to deal with what my intentions ought, and that

1159
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm in it for the long run. You know, I'm

1160
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: to tell the whole story and to tell it properly,

1161
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: and you just talk about misinformation. To tell the truth.

1162
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: And for that reason, I have a lot of doors

1163
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: open to me. So like, for example, I've in our film,

1164
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, from the mayor of Leviv uh to you know,

1165
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: people in their homes. We filmed uh the whole cycle

1166
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: of life. Uh. Birth, you know, birth in the hospital, uh. Death,

1167
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: you know, death on the front line, death, you know,

1168
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: uh it funerals, uh, boyfriends, girlfriends, and because that's really

1169
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: what you know, we talk a lot about war, but

1170
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: war is about people. And as John Spencer, I like

1171
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: to quote him, not quote him exactly. You know, he's

1172
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: head of Urban Warfare Institute or whatever at West Point,

1173
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: and he's written, he's written a lot on the on

1174
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: the importance of the home front to the front line,

1175
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: and the home front has to stay strong in order

1176
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: for the front line to stay strong. And you know

1177
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: that that that was a disaster for us in Vietnam

1178
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: because the guys who were fighting didn't feel that the

1179
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: home front was there for them. And so in Ukraine,

1180
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: the home front and the front line were very much,

1181
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: very much working together and support each other. And that's

1182
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: what I've show in my films. Also is how that

1183
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: you know basically how the whole country is operating that

1184
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: way and when you see it, so you know, kind

1185
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: of like we've talked for a long time, but now

1186
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: we're kind of back to the film kind of thing.

1187
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: So when you see, when you see the truth of

1188
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: the country. Because I don't have narration in my films,

1189
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: it's really what's in front of the camera kind of thing.

1190
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: A lot of verite people do talk to the camera,

1191
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: but there is no trying to explain. There isn't like

1192
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: my voice or some actor's voice or somebody's voice trying

1193
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: to guide you through life. We just film enough things

1194
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 2: and put them together in such a way that you

1195
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: can come to your own conclusions.

1196
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: No, and I love it, and I love it and

1197
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: the Steel Porcupine and you know that's that's a film

1198
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: that you put out there. And then also the did

1199
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: I not mention your zero line to this? You know

1200
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: what I mean to the zero line Brave Hearts in

1201
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: Dark Hours. You can go to www. Dot to the

1202
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: zero line dot com to check that out. And you know, Benjamin,

1203
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: I think that you've been a wonderful person on the

1204
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: show to just invite back in the future, you know

1205
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: here the you know, if you have any other insights

1206
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: on Ukraine or you want to come on the show

1207
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: and discuss more about anything to do with this lane

1208
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: or your experiences. I think that ye're just a welcome

1209
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: addition onto the show and I just want to say

1210
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: thanks to Molly for linking us up together and you know,

1211
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: having you come on. As soon as I saw as

1212
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: soon as we saw your bio, my producer's like, yes,

1213
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: I'll say.

1214
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: I like your show. I like your show. I've been

1215
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: you know, getting I've been watching a lot of the episodes,

1216
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 2: and I like, you know, the guys just talk. You know,

1217
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 2: it's very casual and people talk, and really it's like

1218
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 2: just guys, you know, guys and girls. But you don't

1219
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: have that many girls talking.

1220
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: But oh let's change that. Just call the down below, Okay, Hey,

1221
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: you want to get on the show. Pushtana just was

1222
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: on the show. She's a she's like a princess of

1223
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: the Northern Alliance who was shunned off to Pakistan.

1224
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 4: You know, it's like I had her on.

1225
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: And you know, Banave was on, a former marine major

1226
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: who helps with veterans. We love our ladies. They are

1227
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: the most powerful people in this world. I love my guys.

1228
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: You're the also second most powerful people of this world.

1229
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: Take a human being from your body.

1230
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: You don't want to shitch that order when you get

1231
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: into a lot of trouble.

1232
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 4: I yeah, I love my wife. I love it.

1233
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: Twenty six years successful. Okay, that's what's up. All right,

1234
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: let's just be clear. Yeah, and until somebody could pull

1235
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: human out of themselves, I digress, dude. It's like, I

1236
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: can't do that. I can help make the human, but

1237
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: I can't pull a human out of my body. My

1238
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: wife Shirk did though, and otherwise do and other women do.

1239
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm just you know, I'm a girl dad.

1240
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 4: Okay. So it's like, and.

1241
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: My mom raised me the right way, and my father,

1242
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, I feel that. I feel that every time

1243
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: I talk with people or they get into an argument

1244
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, whoa, you know, hey, peacemaker here right,

1245
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: we all bleed the same blood.

1246
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so, and that that's what I like about

1247
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 2: your show. It's really it's really pretty, you know, it's

1248
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 2: really pretty down. It's very down to earth and people people,

1249
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 2: there's something about you that people feel comfortable if you

1250
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: have that kind of mind if you really, like really like,

1251
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 2: if you're gonna only be talking and talking points and

1252
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: slogans and this is not the place for you.

1253
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 4: No I'm not.

1254
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: And you can tell because like when we talk before,

1255
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: like I'll let my listener. You're like, hey, Rad, you

1256
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: have questions. I'm like, well, I got some things in

1257
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: my head. And once we start talking, and you know, let's.

1258
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: Say, I'll tell you something about that. You know, Nate

1259
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: Vance is in I never even mentioned it here. He's

1260
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: in the Steel Porcupine. He's JD Vince's cousin and Keith

1261
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 2: fought in Ukraine for three years and when j D

1262
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: became vice president, when he was elected, he came back

1263
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: because he says in the film, he didn't want to

1264
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: be a potential hostage, yeah, you know, or a target,

1265
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 2: you know, or a target and one of the things

1266
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 2: that so when I filmed Nate and Nate was really great.

1267
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: And when I filmed Nate, we spent about almost like

1268
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 2: a number of days together talking about it before we

1269
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: actually filmed, and he said, give me a script. And

1270
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: I said, there's no way I'm giving you a script.

1271
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna sounds like bullshit. I'm not going to tell

1272
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 2: you what to say. You just keep talking, you know,

1273
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: you tell me, you know, and you just you just

1274
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 2: tell me what you're thinking and we'll make we'll make

1275
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: it look good, you know. But I want to know

1276
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 2: you kind of thing. And that's the thing. You have

1277
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 2: that attitude too. I think you know you have that

1278
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: attitude too, which is the only way you really get

1279
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 2: to know somebody.

1280
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I feel like we could play Nintendo

1281
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: together and have this conversation, or like, you know, do

1282
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: something like you know, hang out and eat some pizza

1283
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: and just still have this kind of conversation.

1284
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 4: You know.

1285
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: I'll just say, back in the day, I used to

1286
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of face to face you know, before COVID,

1287
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: we were always doing interviews where we'd be together, you know,

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Speaker 1: And now we have this you know medium where we

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Speaker 1: can reach each other through you know, satellites and talk

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Speaker 1: to each other through zooms and squad casts and all

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Speaker 1: of our different platforms to have a conversation with someone

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Speaker 1: we've never talked to before, and to show people that

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Speaker 1: you can still have kindness with one another in a

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Speaker 1: very sensitive such situation and listen to one side and

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Speaker 1: then you know, go back and forth, just like a

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Speaker 1: ping pong game.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's like, yeah, I think I think some

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Speaker 2: of it is that you deal with and you deal

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Speaker 2: with guys who have been been around the military, and

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of assholes, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Everywhere you go.

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Speaker 1: I've seen space Balls. I've seen the movie Spaceballs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how many assholes are here?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Every single one of us, Sir, I've seen the movie Spaceballs.

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Speaker 4: I get your reference. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 2: But if you have, but if you have, you know.

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Speaker 2: But but there's something about good guys who have the

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Speaker 2: right mindset, who have who have been part of a team,

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Speaker 2: and who are willing to work together for a cause

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Speaker 2: or for a reason, even if it's a wrong reason,

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01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: but you're still working together kind of thing, and you

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Speaker 2: have that camaraderie, which right now in the US, that's

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Speaker 2: about the only way you get it, you know. And

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Speaker 2: so that's that's really kind of like the people you

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01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 2: bring on in your audience is they have that understanding

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Speaker 2: of brotherhood that is really missing in from society.

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Speaker 4: And you know how we engulf that brotherhood.

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Speaker 1: So you know how we keep saying Joe's and Josephine's

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Speaker 1: you know, guys and girls, I'm not trying to leave

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Speaker 1: anybody out of our conversation that go into tough situations. Well,

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Speaker 1: they listen to us as well. And some of these

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Speaker 1: people are young kids, young adults who never could join

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Speaker 1: the military, who have like asthma or some other type

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Speaker 1: of issue that stopped them and prevented them from ever

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Speaker 1: being a part of that. But I know that, and

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Speaker 1: so therefore I'm cool with bringing them into that circle

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Speaker 1: through the show and they can listen and they can

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01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: be a part of it, and they reach out to

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Speaker 1: me and they're like, you know, And then you got

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01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: the hard guys and gals who have been there and

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: done that, seen war at its ultimate worsts, right, lived

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Speaker 1: through something the only survivor of something I've had interviews of.

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Speaker 1: And then they're just like, the war is just not

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Speaker 1: what we want. You don't want that. So I hear

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: from them, I hear from the others, and then I

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01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: just kind of like, you know, soak it up like

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Speaker 1: a sponge, and I'm just putting that out there.

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Speaker 4: I still try.

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: To do what my mom and dad taught me to do,

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01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: and that is have you done any good in the

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01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: world today. Have you helped anyone in need? That's kind

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01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: of what they always taught me, And so I kind.

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01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 2: Of just roll off that, Well, it's working for me.

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01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 4: No hand cut scene, all right, I'm in my trailer.

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Speaker 4: Where's my Where's.

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: I just love that, you know, I'm a journalist.

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01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: I like to say that, and when I get people

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01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: on the show, I think that they don't know what

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01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: direction it's going to go. And that's why I warn

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01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: everybody at the beginning, it's the Internet.

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Speaker 4: What we say stays.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I love having these conversations, and you've

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: been a very delightful person to have on talking about

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01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: a very serious topic of humanity. And I love that

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01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: you are about the humanity and I want that also.

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: I want my listener to walk away saying, there's hope

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01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: we need to have humanity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also there are some things worth fighting for.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, and I'm not disagreeing with that. You know,

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01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying layover and roll over. No, I

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Speaker 1: don't think I would.

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Speaker 2: Kind of I don't know if I guess we're finishing up,

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01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 2: but I'll finish on what got me into this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: And start. You mentioned at the beginning that my father

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Speaker 2: survived the Holocaust. My family survived, many of them were killed.

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Speaker 2: He's from this area in Ukraine, which is one of

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Speaker 2: the one of the things in my family. His grandparents were.

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Speaker 2: My grandfather is deported by the Soviets into Russia and

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Speaker 2: Mike and his mother went there, was deported and sister

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Speaker 2: and they never came back. They were they died in Kazakhstan.

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01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 2: They had a business in this area and it was

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Speaker 2: taken over by the Soviets, so they ended up pretty

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01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 2: much in the same situation that but it was worse

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Speaker 2: being Holocaust survivors.

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Speaker 4: It's all, yes, one hundred percent.

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01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: But the the basic concept what motivated me, what motivates

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01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 2: me still is that I know because it happened to

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Speaker 2: my family, It happened literally to my father, that what

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 2: the outcome can be, and what saved him was one

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01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: guy and his parents. He was the mayor of what's

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: nau cher Nipsy who basically saved a few Jews, put

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01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: his put his neck out to do it. And that's

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01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 2: the only reason I'm alive, and and my you know,

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 2: and every and and my my children and everything after

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01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 2: us is because of this one man. And I feel

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01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: it's you know, sometimes you can't just sit back. It's

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01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: not the right thing to do. And so it's really

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01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 2: I feel, yeah, I go to the front or I

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01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 2: go just anywhere in this country because somebody's got to

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01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 2: do it. It's you know, otherwise I've got I'm really

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01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 2: paying back, is how I see it, with what I

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01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 2: can do.

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Speaker 4: Love that, bro, love that for you. I love that.

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01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 4: I love that, and I'm going to let that be

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 4: your mission.

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Speaker 1: And I always tried to explain to people around me that,

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01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, you had a badass who fought through so

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01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,759
Speaker 1: much to make sure that you're here today. Somebody lived

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01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: through all of these things in the world's history, of

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01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: the Genghis Khans, of the of the of the you know,

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01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: Peters the Great, all these people who rule the world,

1404
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: and somehow your soul is here today because somebody was

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01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: hard and fought through all of that to make sure

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01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: that you're here today. So I can only be the

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01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: best steward of what is put in front of me,

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01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,879
Speaker 1: just like you. And so you know, bless your family,

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01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: Blessed to your parents, to your grandparents, to your grandparents' grandparents,

1410
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: and so on.

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01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, more power to you. If this message

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01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: gets out to more people, your message, yes, then we'll

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01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 2: it'll be a better world. At least what you can

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01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 2: make is better neighborhood.

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 4: You know, you have your buddy correct exactly, love your buddies.

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01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: And again, you know, tough topic to try to have

1417
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: a joke in there about, but I can't help who

1418
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: I am.

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01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 4: And you know the Steel Porcupine.

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01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: Please, my viewer listener, please go check out the Steel

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01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: Porcupine again. You can go to I believe it's heart cast.

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01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: You can go to the Steel Porcupine dot com. That's

1423
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: that's us.

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01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, the Steel Porcupine right hard cast is your

1425
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: agent or your publicist. But you can go to the

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01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: Steel Porcupine dot com and you can go check out

1427
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: is it to the zero zero line dot com dot

1428
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: com and just check it out and if you like it,

1429
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: leave a comment wherever you watch it. Let the let

1430
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: the director, the filmmaker know what you thought of the

1431
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: of the project. I'm sure he would love to read

1432
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: any comment that you have. Share that with a friend,

1433
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: and that's what social media is all about. Just hit

1434
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: the share button and share it all around. And you know,

1435
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: just you know, if, if, really, if my message could

1436
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: reach one person, if by sharing it, So go ahead

1437
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: and share this. If you like this conversation. If you

1438
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: have a comment about this conversation, just type it on

1439
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: down below. I try to reply to everybody and give

1440
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: you real feedback from me. I'm I'm real, you know,

1441
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: just like Ben's real. So we're we're here to just

1442
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: be who we are, bro and so and you can't too.

1443
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 2: Well. Thank you, thank you Rad for being so real.

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01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 2: I really enjoy it. I really, I really enjoy your vibe.

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01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 4: I agree, Hey, thank you, thank you so much.

1446
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 1: And Benjamin for going into hard places and talk about

1447
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: hard things and living through hard things and you know,

1448
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: being also a very nice, soft spoken person. I hope

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01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: you enjoy the rest of your day today and moving forward.

1450
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: And again, you're welcome back on the show to talk

1451
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: about anything like oh hey, Rad, I forgot we could

1452
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: talk an hour about this. Well, then you just hit

1453
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: me up. You have my contact. We would love to

1454
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: have you back, Okay, so please come back onto our show.

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01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,759
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. Thanks Rad, And Hey, anytime

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01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: you're in my neighborhood, I can have a beer or

1457
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: anything else.

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01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: You want with that sounds good to me. A beer

1459
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: in a pizza, in a video game and we'll just talk.

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01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: You beat me at the video game though.

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01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 4: How funny, funny, how funny.

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01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: Well listen now On behalf of Benjamin Goldhagen and myself

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01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: rad here at Soft Rep and also my main man

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01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: Brandon Webb, who runs the show and helps make sure

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01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: that everybody is watching this and it's being reached everywhere.

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01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: Thank you, Producer Callum and everybody on the back end,

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01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: all my sponsors. I love you guys a lot. You

1468
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: guys keep us going, so please keep that up. And again,

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01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: this is rad On, behalf of Benjamin, saying peace.

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Speaker 3: You've been listening to self red Radia