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Speaker 2: It's a metaphor. Lincoln, welcome to the solid Verbal'll.

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Speaker 3: That for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players

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Speaker 3: And Dan and Tie welcome back to the Cliberber boys

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Speaker 3: and girls. My name is Ty hilden Brand, Tie hilden

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Speaker 3: Brand joining me over there, the one, the only, still,

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Speaker 3: the incomparable Dan Rubinstein in Chicago, Illinois. Sir, did you

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Speaker 3: like me holding that note? Are you comfortable with me

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Speaker 3: holding that note? Now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I want you to keep adding flair to your introduction.

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Speaker 2: This is Big Tie hilden Brands from Big Tie Chevrolet

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Speaker 2: Harris Idding, Yeah, No, I like it. Ty, You know

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Speaker 2: I always like a little bit of az excellent.

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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Zaz, we've got an Oklahoma show in

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Speaker 3: For those who are joining in for the first time, welcome,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for stopping by. If you are interested in

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Speaker 3: Com from the franchise one oh seven seven in Oklahoma City,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things where there was a

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Speaker 1: You just got to start winning on Saturdays. Nobody's going

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Speaker 1: to give a damn what they're recruiting or who they're

433
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Speaker 1: bringing in. If it doesn't matter on the thirteen Saturdays

434
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Speaker 1: in the fall.

435
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Speaker 2: Whose defense is it? Right? It's Brent Venables comes over

436
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,199
Speaker 2: and his fingerprints are all over the Clemson defense. You

437
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Speaker 2: see him speeding up and changing things quickly before the snap,

438
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 2: always adjusting, always reading, always trying to confuse offenses. But

439
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 2: now this is not his defense, this is his team.

440
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Speaker 2: And so he hires Ted Roof and a lot of

441
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Speaker 2: people said, huh, that's that's a little bit interesting given

442
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Speaker 2: ted Roofs perhaps lack of consistent success calling defenses, and

443
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Speaker 2: then Oklahoma comes out and for a number of reasons.

444
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Speaker 2: Obviously talent is an issue, and the offense getting off

445
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Speaker 2: the field too quickly is an issue, and there's a

446
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Speaker 2: lot of context to why the defense struggled, which as

447
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Speaker 2: you mentioned, has been addressed in the portal and on

448
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: the in the recruiting ranks. But whose defense was it?

449
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Speaker 2: Is it still that person's defense? What is the status

450
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Speaker 2: of vision and fingerprints for this Oklahoma defense?

451
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Speaker 1: Million dollar question around here, And I think that, like

452
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Speaker 1: to a certain extent, ted Ruf has just become a scapegoat.

453
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people want to be able

454
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Speaker 1: to blame him. But at the same time, you see

455
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Speaker 1: what happens on Saturdays, You see what happens on you know,

456
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Speaker 1: on the sidelines during a game. Brient Ventibles is the

457
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Speaker 1: one called him the shots, I mean, I think that,

458
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Speaker 1: And that's what's so interesting, particularly when you're talking about

459
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Speaker 1: when to use timeouts, decisions that come in game. It's

460
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Speaker 1: almost like Brent had to explore who he was as

461
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Speaker 1: a head coach and let Ted or whoever, Todd Bates

462
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Speaker 1: or Branden Hall, whoever that on the defensive side of

463
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Speaker 1: the football take more of the reins of what he

464
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Speaker 1: wants this defense to look like so he can be

465
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Speaker 1: the head coach and you know, I guess in a way,

466
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Speaker 1: and Oklahoma fans are probably gonna like this. I think

467
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Speaker 1: that that's one of the things that Lincoln Riley did

468
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Speaker 1: so well is that there was a seamless transition as

469
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Speaker 1: far as you didn't see the head scratching decisions coming

470
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Speaker 1: from the sidelines and you know, ultimately costing you games. Now,

471
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Speaker 1: did they get away with that because they were just

472
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Speaker 1: so damn good offensively? Sure? I think that there's a

473
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Speaker 1: little bit to that. But at the same time, it

474
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Speaker 1: is going to be interesting going into year number two

475
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Speaker 1: how much of that has changed and if they can

476
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Speaker 1: get back to, you know, Brent just being the head coach,

477
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Speaker 1: being able to let whoever make those decisions, let whoever,

478
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Speaker 1: you know, make the calls defensively. And I think that

479
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Speaker 1: that's one of the more like intriguing underlying storylines of

480
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three season is just how all this

481
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Speaker 1: is going to I guess coalesce over the next couple

482
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Speaker 1: of years, because they are going to give them time.

483
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not going to be now again, like

484
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Speaker 1: you look up and all of a sudden they're two

485
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Speaker 1: and ten. Maybe that's that tune changes with the border

486
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Speaker 1: regions and obviously the alumni. But you know, and you

487
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Speaker 1: guys will have to pray for me if that happens,

488
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Speaker 1: because I might be assassinated by the time. But it

489
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Speaker 1: is going to be kind of interesting to see how

490
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Speaker 1: it all comes together in year number two. You would

491
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Speaker 1: expect to see some type of step in progression to

492
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Speaker 1: you know, closer to what a defense should resemble. Because

493
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Speaker 1: the and you talk to the recruits all the time,

494
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Speaker 1: and guys that are coming in, there is a belief

495
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Speaker 1: that they can turn this thing around. There is a

496
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Speaker 1: belief in the resume of what these guys have been

497
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Speaker 1: able to produce, whether it be at Clemson or just

498
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Speaker 1: Brent Vinables track record in general, at every stop that

499
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Speaker 1: he's made, he's been synonymous with good defense. So, you know,

500
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Speaker 1: there were some elements last year where there was just

501
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Speaker 1: I think almost kind of head scratching, and I think

502
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Speaker 1: that you know, there was a lot of people too

503
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Speaker 1: that as soon as Brent stepped off that airplane, you know,

504
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Speaker 1: in the weeks after Lincoln left. They just thought that

505
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Speaker 1: at the snap of a finger, everything was going to

506
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Speaker 1: be okay because Brent Vinables is the defensive guy and

507
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Speaker 1: they were going to be able to figure it out.

508
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Speaker 1: The linebacker for all the sudden going to be buckets guys,

509
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: Teddy Lahman was going to be playing towards Marshall was

510
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: going to be sure. And it just it never came together.

511
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Speaker 1: And that was frustrating to a certain extent, But I

512
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Speaker 1: think it also speaks to the drop off defensively and

513
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Speaker 1: just the drastic measure of territory that they had to cover.

514
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Speaker 1: You know, it was striking hearing Brent talk about, you know,

515
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Speaker 1: Deshaun White and Deshaun White and Danny Stutsman and guys

516
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Speaker 1: that you would think are veterans of the program that

517
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Speaker 1: had been around it for a long time, and just

518
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Speaker 1: simply teaching him how to study tape, how to come

519
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Speaker 1: in on a Sunday and break down the tape from

520
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: a Saturday that they hadn't been doing before. And I

521
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Speaker 1: think that that was kind of like a siren. You

522
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Speaker 1: go back and you listen to some of the stuff

523
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Speaker 1: they said in August and September, particularly when you know, oh,

524
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Speaker 1: you had just opened camp and they were going through

525
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Speaker 1: two days and stuff like that, and Brent was telling us.

526
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Speaker 1: He was basically warning, this could be a long season defensively,

527
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Speaker 1: and I think that you hear his tones. Stort need

528
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Speaker 1: to change a little bit as they get experience, as

529
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Speaker 1: they get guys into the program that they feel can

530
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Speaker 1: take them to the next level defensively. So it's I

531
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Speaker 1: think there's a cautious optimism that they can make at

532
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Speaker 1: least some steps in the right direction where they get

533
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Speaker 1: out of the triple digits in almost every defensive category.

534
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Speaker 2: I think the mainstream Oklahoma warrior says, man, how do

535
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Speaker 2: we figure out this defense? I think the hipster Oklahoma

536
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: warrior says, where's this offense going?

537
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Speaker 1: Right?

538
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Speaker 2: So I think there was that, and correct me if

539
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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. And you kind of mentioned this that there

540
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Speaker 2: was this assumption that Dylan Gabriel would be plug and play,

541
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Speaker 2: that he has the success at UCF and he's going

542
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Speaker 2: to have more resources and better coaches and better receivers

543
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Speaker 2: at Oklahoma. He's only going to grow and be the

544
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Speaker 2: next very good, at the very least quarterback in Norman.

545
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Speaker 2: And now he gets beat up and when he's in there,

546
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Speaker 2: he looks solid to very good at times. Receiving Cork

547
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: clearly drops off for both recruiting and injury reasons last year.

548
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Speaker 2: But Marvin Mims was, you know, continues to be a

549
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: bright spot. He's off to the NFL. Eric Gray transfers

550
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Speaker 2: in and he's a workhorse. He's off to the NFL.

551
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Speaker 2: The bright spot is that Jackson Arnold is the five

552
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: star next great Oklahoma recruit at quarterback coming in as

553
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Speaker 2: a as a freshman this year. But what is the

554
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Speaker 2: actual state of the offensive roster, offensive vision and you know,

555
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: the expected offensive success in a conference that has you know,

556
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: grown over these last few years defensively by leaps and bounds.

557
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: You look at your Oklahoma State, TCU, Kansas State, Baylor,

558
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Speaker 2: all of these Texas last year actually fielded a pretty

559
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Speaker 2: good defense and then they moved to the SEC where

560
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Speaker 2: they're going to see more and more of that good defense.

561
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Speaker 2: Is it time to like kind of worry about the

562
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Speaker 2: future of Oklahoma's offense?

563
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Speaker 1: Yes, and no, and okay, I think that there is

564
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Speaker 1: a certain like we're talking to and we said this

565
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Speaker 1: at the beginning at the in the middle of the

566
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Speaker 1: year last year than Obviously at the end of the year,

567
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Speaker 1: Dyan Gabriel did not play I think to what a

568
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Speaker 1: lot of people thought he was going to be. He

569
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Speaker 1: just flat out did it. They started out slow, then

570
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: he had the concussion in Fort Worth against TCU, obviously

571
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Speaker 1: missed the Texas game, never really got his footing. But

572
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Speaker 1: I think there were moments where you look at, you know,

573
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Speaker 1: the floor, whether it be the Florida State game, there

574
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Speaker 1: were points at the end of the season, you know,

575
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Speaker 1: Bedlum he played well. It just never seemed like if

576
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Speaker 1: it was one thing, it was another. If it was

577
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Speaker 1: you know, Dylan Gabriel early in this season missing guys

578
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Speaker 1: later in the season, it was Marvin Mims dropping a

579
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Speaker 1: key third down in Morgantown that could have preserved the game. Uh,

580
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Speaker 1: it just it. It never seemed like they were on

581
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Speaker 1: the same page. And I think that, you know, at

582
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Speaker 1: the same time, as much as heat as Dyan Gabriel

583
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Speaker 1: took a year ago, it probably also highlights just how

584
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: spoiled Oklahoma fans have been. He was the newcomer of

585
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Speaker 1: the Year in the Big Twelve offensively, so yeah, it

586
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: was it's kind of like a fifty to fifty thing.

587
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Speaker 1: It's like you depending on which way you want to

588
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: look at it. You want to look at a glass

589
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: half fuller, you want to look at a glass half empty. Sure,

590
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: and they have so many guys that they're going to

591
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: have to you know, particularly at the wide receiver position

592
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: when you lose a Marvin Mems. They have Jalil Feruk

593
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 1: who played really well at the end of the year.

594
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Speaker 1: He's expected to kind of take the baton from Marvin

595
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: as the number one wide receiver. They want to use

596
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: him as a little bit of a drake. Stoops used

597
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: the term deebo Samuel. I think he has a long

598
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: ways to go before that, but kind of the same

599
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Speaker 1: ilk as far as they can get him to the

600
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: ball in different in different situations. And then there's a

601
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: lot of unknown at the wide receiver position. And uh,

602
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: you look at you know, two second year guys Nick

603
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: Anderson and Jayden Gibson. They feel like can make progress.

604
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Speaker 1: You know. Ardell Anthony a kid from uh or Adril

605
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: Anthony a kid from Michigan that transferred in through the

606
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Speaker 1: transfer portal. Again, why is he transferring from ann Arborg

607
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: and he could he not get on the field. Does

608
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Speaker 1: he just needed new lease on life. You lose the

609
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Speaker 1: oise who actually ended up I think fifth or sixth

610
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Speaker 1: on the team and catches a year ago. You lose

611
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: Braden Willis. The tight end positions beat up. Right now,

612
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: they have basically one guy in in camp, you know,

613
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: quote unquote scholarship during the spring, because Cayden Helms and

614
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Jason Lewellin are injured right now, in Austin Stagner, who

615
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: transferred back from South Carolina, which is kind of interesting.

616
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's just you know, Elvi Bunkley Shelton,

617
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: kid from Arizona State that I think a lot of

618
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: people thought was going to be a participant in a

619
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Speaker 1: contributory year ago, really didn't see the field a whole

620
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: lot last season. So who's going to be that guy

621
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Speaker 1: who's going to be the number two or the number three.

622
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: You have Drake Stoops and Gavin Freeman who was put

623
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: on scholarship at the end of last season stepping into roles.

624
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: But to sit here and say that you can list

625
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: three or four guys and they're just going to be

626
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Speaker 1: the guys that dealing Gabriel can count on. I think

627
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Speaker 1: a lot of that is hope, right the running back

628
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: situation is a little bit more, I guess, pleasing to

629
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Speaker 1: the eye. As far as what they are going to

630
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: have to replace in terms of Eric Gray, you saw

631
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of a taste of that in the

632
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: in the bowl game, whether it be Javonte borr Arns,

633
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: who has a boot on his foot right now, I

634
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: think that's a broken toe. We'll see, and then Gavit

635
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: saw Chunk. They were both great in the bowl game.

636
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: On offensive line has to replace two tackles. So, like

637
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: you start listing things, and unless you are just looking

638
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: at this through a crimson and cream colored glasses, there

639
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: are a lot of questions to be asked about what

640
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: this offense is. There is a belief in Jeff Levy,

641
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: there is a belief in what they are trying to

642
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: do offensively. And then, oh, by the way, you have

643
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, Jackson Arnold, who's in here, who you know?

644
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: I think everybody feels like is going to be kind

645
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: of the next savior at the quarterback position. But to

646
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: say that, I you know, you're going to look up

647
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: and he's all of a sudden starting in the Cotton

648
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: Bowl in game four or five next year, I think

649
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: that's probably a little much Dylan Gabriel's this is his team.

650
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: He's the the you know, air apparent at that of

651
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: that quarterback position coming or the incumbent coming back in

652
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: and you just at the end of the day need

653
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: him to play better than he did a year ago.

654
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a belief that he's got

655
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more comfortable in the system. And because

656
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: of his relationship with Jeff Lebby, going all the way

657
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: back to the days in Orlands, you hope that you

658
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: get the guy that you saw down at the chiez

659
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: of Boy.

660
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: Is the line in a good place? Obviously they have

661
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: one of the most decorated offensive line coaches in the

662
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: country who decides not to go to USC and Bill

663
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: bed and Bow. But where is that moving forward, especially

664
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: as they make the transition in a year.

665
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that I think that they

666
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: feel really good about, you know. I think that like,

667
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: for instance, a guy that could be this next year's

668
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: Anton Harrison, who played himself into the first round, Tyler Geydon.

669
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk about what he could be

670
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: on that offensive line. He played sparingly throughout the year,

671
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: started some games at the end of the year, specifically

672
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: when juan Ye Morris was injured, you know, and both

673
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: those book and tackles are going to be drafted at

674
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: some point. Anton obviously going to probably go somewhere in

675
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: the first round or you know, obviously in the second round.

676
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: So they feel confident about it. They like Andrew Raim,

677
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: he returns, he missed the bowl game because the shoulder surgery.

678
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: At the end of the season, they have mckayde Matower back.

679
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Saveon Bird's a guy that I think a lot of

680
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: people feel like is in a spot in the within

681
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: the program. He started in the bowl game, and I

682
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to like he's just pretty raw

683
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: coming out of the DFW area. And then obviously they

684
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: were able to get the late flip of Walter Rouse,

685
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: a kid that was going to go from Stanford to

686
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: Nebraska ended up at Oklahoma, and it was another one

687
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: of those late wins that it's like a kind of

688
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: not necessarily reinvigorated anybody, but it did make you think, like, Okay,

689
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: like maybe there is a selling point of what this

690
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: staff is trying to do out on the recruiting trail.

691
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: People are buying into it at some point. I'm sure

692
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: in il I think had a little bit to do

693
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: with that as well. But at the same time, they

694
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: feel like they have a bunch of bodies. How's that

695
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: come together? The offensive one was probably a little bit

696
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: better than people wanted to give credit for a season ago.

697
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: But you know, I think as good as Bill Beatambo's

698
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: groups have been over the last couple of years, you know,

699
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: dating back all the way back to the Joe Moore

700
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: team that wanted in seventeen eighteen, they start slow, and

701
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: that's where people get a little bit antsy and a

702
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: little bit impatient with that thing coming together, and you

703
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: know they're going to have to come out for a

704
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: lack of better terms, guns blazing a little bit earlier

705
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: this season. It's not the hardest non conference schedule in

706
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: the entire world with Tulsa, Arkansas State and SMU, but

707
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: sim you did go out and get some guys from

708
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: the SEC. They have a good coaching staff, and you

709
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: know that game could be one of those games that

710
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: you look up that Oklahoma's been kind of become known for.

711
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: Where how the hell is this a game? In the

712
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: fourth quarter?

713
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eddie, let's zoom out for a second, because Brent

714
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: Vannables was an assistant prominent assistant for like thirty years

715
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: before he took this gig. For sure, he's had proximity

716
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: to greatness, but it is different when the buck stops

717
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: with you. I think that's part of the reason why

718
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: Dan and I weren't more bullsh about Brent Vannables. We

719
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: all agreed that it was a very good fit, but

720
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: there is definitely a difference when you take the reins

721
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: and suddenly you're the ones calling the shots. We didn't

722
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: know how he would deal with that added responsibility. Do

723
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: you have any sense for what that learning curve was

724
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: like for him, Like, not just in terms of the

725
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: on field record and what we saw from the defense

726
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: or the offense specifically, but maybe from the perspective of

727
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 3: people who work with them, assist in support staff, those

728
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: around him who are kind of, I don't know, witnesses

729
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: to him learning how to be this guy.

730
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think that that's kind of

731
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: the uncomfortable conversation that not a lot of people around

732
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: here want to have, is what if this doesn't work

733
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: out right?

734
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: Right?

735
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: And I think that that is one of those things

736
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: that when you look back at some of the in

737
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: game decisions or the ways that they lost games last year.

738
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: That gives you a little bit of pause, like can

739
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: he do this? And I think that it's you know,

740
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: every person to a man, whether it be alumni of

741
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: the school, form, players, anybody that has ever met Brent.

742
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: You spend five minutes with him, and you can tell

743
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: why he's a great recruiter. You can tell why everybody

744
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: that comes into contact with him down in Norman loves

745
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: him to death and they want him to succeed. And

746
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: I think we'll probably, you know, if this thing never

747
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: gets turned around, well he'll probably get some added bonus

748
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: time because people believe in him so much. But I

749
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: think that, you know, you take a step back, and

750
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: there was I think a lot of things that as

751
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: as as planned as everything is, as you know, much

752
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: as he had a plan to kind of that first year,

753
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: I think that there was a lot of learning and

754
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: what he had to do. And I think that you know,

755
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: you look at I remember coming on into the first

756
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: bye week that Oklahoma had, I think it was midway

757
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: through the season, and there were some guys that you know,

758
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: they flat out there were murmurs, flat out just they

759
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: needed to get away from football. They they were in

760
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: the facility from eight am to eight pm. And you know,

761
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: as much as you want those guys to be in

762
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: the facility, as much as you guys, they want those

763
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: guys to eat, sleep, and breathe football, there was this

764
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: element of they were burnt out. And you looked up

765
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: and it was the fourth or fifth fifth week of

766
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: the season, and I think that Brent had to really

767
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: kind of look in the mirror a little bit see

768
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: what he was asking not only his players but his staff,

769
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: and like, did he burn them out too quickly? And

770
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, they talked about being physical throughout camp so

771
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: much that it was almost like you got to the

772
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: first game and everybody was tired. Everybody was almost tired.

773
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: And it was September first, September second. So you know,

774
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: I am interested to see what kind of changes they

775
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: make go moving forward, what kind of changes they're going

776
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: to make to the schedule here. You know, certainly during

777
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: the spring, I think that they've made some. I think

778
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: that they he leaned on a lot of guys. It's

779
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: kind of interesting the guys that he brought in in

780
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: the support staff role, whether it be Matt Wells from

781
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: a year ago, you know, from Texas Tech or you

782
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: know here most recently with Seth Lutrell coming back from

783
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: North Texas to Norman. So he has other guys, other

784
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: head coaches that I think he can really kind of

785
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: lean on trust And it's going to be kind of

786
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: fun to see how this year two goes as opposed

787
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: to year one that I think if they, you know,

788
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: you put all true Sarah and ceremonum, he probably would

789
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: have gone about doing things a little bit differently than

790
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: maybe he did the first time around. And you know,

791
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: I guess to a certain extent, there's only one way

792
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: to learn from all of that, and that's by going

793
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: through that. And you know, as much as Oklahoma fans

794
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it failing to a certain extent

795
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: in that first year by Oklahoma.

796
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: Standards, well, I mean, look, one of the best recent

797
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: examples of a coach learning a new coach learning Dave Randa.

798
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: Dave Randa's first year at Baylor, there were a lot

799
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: of warts that he had to deal with in the offseason.

800
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 3: He came out the next season, he changed his game plan.

801
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: I think we talk about it often about what he

802
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: did on fourth downs, how he got more aggressive, just

803
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: little tweaks. He was smart enough to recognize where his

804
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: shortcomings were. He put new systems in place, and Baylor

805
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: was a much much better team. So there's no reason

806
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: that brand Vettible's can't do something similar. But you have

807
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 3: to have that self awareness shifting gears a little bit

808
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: to the recruiting side of things if we can. I

809
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: asked this question on our last episode when we talked

810
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: about LSU and Brian Kelly. I think it's even more

811
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: interesting for Brent Venables in Oklahoma. The recruiting, as you

812
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 3: said earlier, has remained very very strong. Clearly recruits are

813
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: buying what he's selling. I'm just wondering if the pitch

814
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 3: has changed at all now with Brent Venables as compared

815
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: to Lincoln Riley. Two very different coaches, right, what was

816
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 3: Lincoln selling versus what is Brent selling now?

817
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: I guess in layman's terms, it's probably a little bit

818
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: more glitz and glamour with Lincoln. You know, obviously you're

819
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: going to be bringing in the cars and all that

820
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of stuff on the field that you know, the

821
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: old Oklahoma bands that reaped the wrong way. But at

822
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: the same time you got to do that with what

823
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: the current world of recruiting is a reliance maybe more

824
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: so on the transfer portal as far as plug and

825
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: play as a post to what Brent wants to do

826
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: and building from the ground floor up and recruiting really

827
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: good classes and getting guys that stick around for the

828
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: program for three or four years. Now. Not to say

829
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: that they're not going to be active in the portal

830
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: because you just you simply can't do that unless you're

831
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: a Georgia that's bringing in, you know, twenty five five

832
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: stars every year, right. But I do think that, you know,

833
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: relational is probably the word that the buzzword that gets

834
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: used quite a bit right now with Brent and what

835
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: they're trying to build. You know, they have a really

836
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: strong staff as far as holdovers or guys that ended

837
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: up staying around from the earlier staff and with Lincoln Riley,

838
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: whether whether it be Bill Bidebo or DeMarco Murray Oklahoma

839
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: guys if you will, and then kind of the new

840
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: flavor of guys with a Todd Bates or a Miguel

841
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Shaves or Brandon Hall that came in, you know, with

842
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: with Brent on the defensive side of the ball. So

843
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: it's been super interesting, like the one thing that you know,

844
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: and I think it's everywhere that you get a family atmosphere,

845
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: but there is a true focus on that in Norman

846
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: right now. The sole mission program is one of those

847
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: things that I think kind of leads the charge for

848
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: them that has a bunch of former players. Curtis Lofton's

849
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: part of it, Josh Norman's a part of it, Caleb

850
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: Kelly from years past is a part of it as

851
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: well as Ryan Young. And it's kind of interesting, you know,

852
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: spiritual to a certain extent that I think speaks to

853
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: a lot of parents when they come and bring in

854
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: their kids for official visits, and obviously speaks to a

855
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of players as well. So for them to hold

856
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: that class together, and you know, certainly Jackson Arnold did

857
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: a good job of kind of steering that thing out

858
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: of some pretty rough waters when you look up and

859
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: they're you know, trying to be Bowl eligible in one

860
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: of the final weeks of the season. You know, I

861
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: think when when Colton vasik De committed, there was a

862
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: lot of people and this is kind of in the

863
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: wake of that forty nine to nothing ass whooping at

864
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl, that thought, here we go, You're going

865
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: to look up and all of a sudden, this team's

866
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: going to be in the mid thirties in the recruiting realm.

867
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: And it went the other way and they were able

868
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: to get a Peyton Bowen at the end of the cycle.

869
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: Is as weird as that all ended, they were able

870
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: to hold on to a PJ at a Borrey. There's

871
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: something that players are buying into. I think a part

872
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: of that is the pitch. Another part of that, though,

873
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: is just simply the message that everything is going to

874
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: be okay once you get the players in and the

875
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: resume that these guys have, particularly on the defensive side

876
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: of the football, there's a lot of leeway there. There's

877
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: a lot of buy in that I think a lot

878
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: of kids can kind of kind of relate to. And

879
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of opportunity in Norman as well, especially

880
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, for somebody to

881
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: be able to come in and play immediately. So it's

882
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, like they're pretty polar opposites as far

883
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: as I think the way that they go about their

884
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: recruiting pitch. But at the end of the day, you know,

885
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: it's almost kind of like Texas in a way. Oklahoma

886
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: recruits itself to a certain extent, and you know, with

887
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: the tradition and the history that that school has, uh

888
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty easy sell. I remember talking to

889
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: Miguel Shaves just as far as uh, you know, like

890
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: what that pitch is like and this is his first

891
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: real uh position coaching job and being able to walk

892
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: in with ou on the on the shoulder or you know,

893
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: the Jordan brand wherever. Uh it gives a little bit

894
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: of an added bonus to maybe some other places that

895
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: you would try to recruit and be a little bit harder.

896
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: So uh it's it's it's been kind of fun and

897
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: fascinating to watch here over the you know, first, I

898
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: guess a year and a half as we enter the

899
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: second spring under Brent, and you know, I think that

900
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: if they can keep that recruiting the level that it

901
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: is right now, it would be hard to think that

902
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: it's not at some point going to come together.

903
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: Defensively, where's the headspace of the fan base, the you know,

904
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: internally within the program with regard to the moved the

905
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: SEC in a year, it's obviously a major step up

906
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: in terms of platform and glitz and status that comes

907
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: with the SEC, which is poised obviously to be with

908
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: along with the Big Ten, the two major conferences moving

909
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 2: forward in the sports. Oklahoma has a history of being

910
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: one of the two big boys everywhere that you know,

911
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: Big eight, Big twelve. They have that path to the

912
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: postseason that is paved with I would say slightly easier gravel,

913
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it.

914
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: They're now going to be.

915
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: Like the seventh biggest program in their conference as opposed

916
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: to one of the giants, one of the Titans. Does

917
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: that weigh in at all? Or are people just excited

918
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: to be, you know, moving up to the show essentially?

919
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that there'd be a lot

920
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: of people that would probably say, well, now, wait a second,

921
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: they're not, you know, the seventh. I think that that

922
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: that I know, sure, but no, I understand what you're saying.

923
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: I do think that there is a certain level of

924
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: for the majority of the fan base, they feel like

925
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: the passion that reigns through the Sooner State matches with

926
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: what you see in Arkansas across or Alabama or Mississippi

927
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: or Florida or Georgia or wherever. I think that they're

928
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: maybe the ideals of the programs aligned probably better with

929
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: a passionate fan base. But I think to a certain extent,

930
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people at the same time

931
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: that are maybe a little naive to what they are

932
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: getting into and thinking that this is going to be

933
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: a seamless transition. There's going to be some bumpy spots,

934
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: just like there were some rough patches through Brent's first year.

935
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: To the same extent, though, I can't remember a time

936
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: where people were more excited about the future of Oklahoma

937
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: football with what's to come. Me professionally, it couldn't have

938
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: gone better. I'm excited about it. If nothing else. Is

939
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: just getting to new places and seeing new experiences. And

940
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: that's not a hit on Ames or Manhattan or Lubbock

941
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: or wherever I loved. I love going to those towns.

942
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: But I'm also a little bit of a weirdo. I'm

943
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: a little bit of a degenerate as far as that

944
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: kind of stuff goes. But you know, I think that

945
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: there is a certain excitement. You know, there was a

946
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: significant amount of people that traveled down to whether it

947
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: be Knoxville in twenty sixteen when Baker and that group

948
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: went out there or you know, wherever, and the run

949
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: ins that Oklahoma's had, you know, whether it be on

950
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: the softball diamond here over the last couple of years

951
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: in the WiM's College World Series with some of the

952
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: SEC schools and or you know, basketball baseball and that

953
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You know, I think that there was

954
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: no greater example of just kind of how naive Oklahoma

955
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: fans were. We're spending two weeks in Omaha this past

956
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: summer for the College World Series and I mean it

957
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: was ninety to ten basically old miss fans, and obviously

958
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: that's a rabid fan base, you know, and I think it,

959
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: you know, the fan base probably travels a little bit

960
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: more differently for football than they would baseball. But at

961
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, I think that everybody is

962
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of looking around and preparing for this move, and

963
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: you still are a year out, but there still is

964
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: an anticipation, There still is an excitement for what's to come.

965
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: And if nothing else, it's just I think to make

966
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: Oklahoma fans feel like they are a part of something

967
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: that maybe they had been longing for it in a way,

968
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, and they just I think that

969
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: Oklahoma fans truly feel like they can, you know, for

970
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: the most part, go play with the big boys. And

971
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: there's always been something about when Oklahoma plays an SEC school,

972
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: whether it be in that Tennessee game a couple of

973
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: years ago or you know, Tennessee coming here, or Alabama

974
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: and the Sugar Bowl that has become kind of infamous

975
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: around these parts as the Trevor Knight games. So it's

976
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: just it's wild. It's it's kind of crazy, but there

977
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: is I think also this this level of optimism, and

978
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Cash's optimist as far as this whole new world that

979
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: is going to be college football come the year twenty

980
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: twenty five with USC and UCLA and the weirdness that

981
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: that's going to be in the Big Ten, as well

982
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: as Oklahoma and Texas now being in the SEC. I

983
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: think it's kind of a whole new world that everybody's

984
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: going to still get some getting used to because Oklahoma has,

985
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote ran the Big twelve for so long,

986
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: and it seemed like they were always everybody kind of

987
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: deferred to them as far as, you know, the favorite,

988
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: whether whoever they were bringing in at quarterback or or

989
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: whatever it was going to be. There was always this

990
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: kind of expectancy that, yeah, Oklahoma's going to be in

991
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: Arlington in the first week or second week in December,

992
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: and they're going to be planning for a victual championship,

993
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: and you just kind of planned around that. I don't

994
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: know if you can necessarily plan that you're going to

995
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: be in in Atlanta come the first week of December.

996
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of the time, when we

997
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: look at teams joining new conferences, it is a smaller

998
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: program joining a larger conference and they need to sort

999
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: of upgrade things. Obviously, Oklahoma's is second to none in

1000
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: terms of being a major national program. Is there anything though,

1001
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: in terms of keeping up with the Joneses from a

1002
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: spending perspective? Were there any asks from Brent Vennables before

1003
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: he was hired that, you know, is a process still?

1004
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: Is there anything you know two point oh three point

1005
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: zero for Oklahoma as do they need to upgrade anything

1006
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: as they make this shift in the air.

1007
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: I think they answered me yes and yes, And you know,

1008
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: obviously I think that you look at the announcement that

1009
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: they just approved one hundred and seventy five million dollar

1010
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: football facility that's going to go basically right in across

1011
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: the street from Gaylor family OClO Memorial Stadium. And you know,

1012
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: I think that for as as much of college football

1013
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: as a little bit of a d measure for everybody

1014
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: out there, one hundred and seventy five million dollars is

1015
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: twenty more than Florida. And I think that ultimately, does

1016
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: that mean anything, that that means that they're going to

1017
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: win games on Saturday? No, probably not. But you know

1018
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: how college football fans are. They like to get on

1019
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: the message boards, they like to get on Twitter, and

1020
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: they like to brag about it, especially Oklahoma fans. And

1021
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, they are building a football facility that turn

1022
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: up seat. Who built the you know, basically built the

1023
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: facility out at Clemson is going to be in charge

1024
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: of it. I think that that was one of the

1025
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: things that Brent wanted to do from day one when

1026
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: he took the job. And you know, whether you call it,

1027
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: and jokestigally on the athletic director at Oklahoma would never

1028
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: say it's called keeping up with the Joneses, but to

1029
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: a certain extent it is. I mean, you've got to

1030
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: be able to keep up with everybody else because as

1031
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: you look at the Switzer Center, that isn't that old

1032
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: now like less than a decade old. It's old, and

1033
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to keep up with everybody.

1034
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that you know, to a

1035
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: certain extent, it's kind of shocking in a way that

1036
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: Oklahoma doesn't have two one hundred yard fields that they're

1037
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: able to practice on. And when you get into the

1038
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: summer months and you start talking about compliance and how

1039
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: many hours you can spend with a with a group

1040
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: during those you know, very integral parts of building a

1041
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: team for that next year. You know, spending five to

1042
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: ten minutes to walk across the street and everybody gets

1043
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: set up something when you can just walk out of

1044
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: the football facility, be on the field and basically get

1045
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: after it. So, yeah, one hundred and seventy five million

1046
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: dollar football facility upgrade or brand new facility is kind

1047
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 1: of the main thing. And I think that they kind

1048
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: of want to get basically broken ground on that sooner

1049
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: than later. It's obviously not going to be this spring,

1050
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: but I think that you probably look towards the end

1051
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: of about this time next year, So twenty twenty four,

1052
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: spring of twenty twenty four is when they should break ground. Eddie.

1053
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: I save the best for last. Full circle full circle.

1054
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: Here we go as the Oklahoma fan base forgiven Lincoln Riley?

1055
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: Can they forgive Lincoln Riley?

1056
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: Can they forget?

1057
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: Can they forget Lincoln?

1058
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: Right? I put it this way, I don't think I'd

1059
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: be able to walk the streets of Oklahoma City if

1060
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: I said that. Yes, no, it's and there's always going

1061
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: to be that venom out there. I think he blocked

1062
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, which I am innocent. I am innocent.

1063
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: I would have say anything what happened. I just I

1064
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: might have said that I was worried about Caitlin and

1065
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: the girls because he's a psychopath. But I said that

1066
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: I said that as a joke. Lincoln. I think he

1067
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: knows that I had this grand plan that I was

1068
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: going to go out there during spring and try to

1069
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: get him TMZ style with the camera when he walks

1070
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: across the street. And I still might plan to do that, Lincoln.

1071
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: But you know, at the end of the day, in

1072
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: as crazy as it may sound, with the success that

1073
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: they had and as much hate watching as people did

1074
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams and Mario Williams and those guys a

1075
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: year ago, I think that there's a lot of people

1076
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: that were happy how it turned out, and I know

1077
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: that it's it's very easy to say that right now,

1078
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: and it probably doesn't make a lot of sense to

1079
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: be anybody outside of the state of Oklahoma. But I

1080
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: think that when it's all said and done, everybody's happier. Hell,

1081
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: you look at the house that he got in the

1082
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: Pacific Palisades right now, to rive seems happy. I can

1083
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: Pacific Palisdades ain't Leke Hefner, but I know that it's

1084
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: a really nice place and I probably would have done

1085
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: the same. Damn. It's I'm happy for him, though, like it.

1086
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: He is an offensive genius like there is. There's there's

1087
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: no debate about that. I think that there was a

1088
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: lot of people around here, especially like after everything went

1089
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: down and kind of the way that it went down,

1090
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people felt like, uh, he stabbed Oklahoma

1091
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: in the back, and you know, there probably is no

1092
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: good way to handle something like that. It just it

1093
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: kind of is what it is. But at the same time,

1094
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: it would also be a little bit upsetting if there

1095
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: wasn't that outcry from the fan base. There's a reason

1096
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: why Oklahoma fans are so passionate about this sport, and

1097
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: it's because of stuff like that. And you know obviously

1098
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: that nobody asked for it, nobody wanted it to happen.

1099
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's college football. That's kind

1100
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: of what makes the pageantry of all of this kind

1101
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: of fun.

1102
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: Look, I'm an Oregon fan one Notre Dame. We've been

1103
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: here recently. I've been here more than I would have

1104
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: liked to. Right, that's right, and you just you have to,

1105
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: like you obviously, look at brend Ventables. He's probably not

1106
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: going to leave Oklahoma if he's successful. But like you said,

1107
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: it's college football. There's nothing to be taken for granted.

1108
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: There's there's nothing better than you know, college football Saturdays.

1109
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: I stand by that was raised on it, kind of

1110
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: borne of bread into it. So it's a it's a

1111
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: way of life. And you know, the countdown begins to

1112
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: the start of August and camp and all that kind

1113
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 1: of stuff. But we got to get through Spring Bowl first.

1114
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: Look, if the TMZ plan doesn't work, I mean you

1115
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 3: got to put blocked by Lincoln Riley on your Twitter bio.

1116
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: You're an Oklahoma guy. Would that not get no instant credit?

1117
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: I think I think everybody, I think everybody knew at

1118
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: one point I blew it up there for a while.

1119
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: It just I was in it. I kept getting tagged

1120
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: by people that were saying some very derogatory things about

1121
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: the gentleman, and uh, you know I I I want

1122
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: to say that I was assassinated by association, but it

1123
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: is what it is. It's been fun.

1124
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: I think we have to parent trap Lincoln, Riley and Eddie,

1125
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 2: get them in the same room, work it all out,

1126
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: and everybody moves forward.

1127
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: I had a buddy that ran into Lincoln down and

1128
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: to Loom a couple of weeks ago, and I was like,

1129
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: just go tell him. I said, hi, and I guess

1130
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: he did and he started laughing. So, okay, I think space.

1131
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: If he wants to take me out to riv and

1132
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: we'll go play eighteen, sure, I think that that would

1133
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: be a good making amens to the state of Oklahoma,

1134
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: and I'll probably need a couple of side.

1135
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: There's very little he can say that will make you, know,

1136
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 2: Oklahoma fans feel at peace, but you get to play

1137
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: a nice country club that'll make you feel a piece.

1138
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: That that would bring me to piece. If he wants

1139
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: to throw Caleb Williams back in the deal, yeah, I

1140
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: think Oklahoma fans would then officially call it a safe deal.

1141
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: Everybody's okay, there you go.

1142
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: The Secretary of State Eddie Redosovitch joining us here on

1143
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: the saliver. We'll giving us all things Oklahoma to chew on. Eddie.

1144
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: We appreciate your wisdom. Remind the folks where they can

1145
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 3: find you.

1146
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, just Eddie Rotto, Eddie underscore our ado on Twitter

1147
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: and then soonerscoop dot com. Obviously, it's kind of an

1148
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 1: interesting time right now with you know, obviously the state

1149
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: of the Oklahoma spring you know, basically midway through, which

1150
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: is kind of weird to say. It feels like this

1151
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: thing always kind of sneaks up on us. And then

1152
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: we'll be uh doing the whole Kyler Murray statue coming

1153
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: up at the Oklahoma spring game, kind of like they

1154
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: did a year ago for Baker Mayfield. And I guess it's,

1155
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: if nothing else, just another memory of how historically great

1156
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: some of those offenses were. I still think that there

1157
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 1: is a certain segment of the Oklahma fan base that goes,

1158
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: that's just college football, that's how they do it. That's

1159
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: not exactly not exactly, it was historically great, and I

1160
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: think everybody should be appreciative of that.

1161
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: Eddie, thank you so much for your time. We'll have

1162
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 3: to do it age.

1163
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys anytime. All right, Dan, and there

1164
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: you go.

1165
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: Eddie Redosovich, Sooner scoop dot Com, the franchise one oh

1166
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: seven seven in Oklahoma City, the Unofficial forty podcast. Oklahoma

1167
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: went six and seven last year if you count the

1168
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 3: Bowl game. They lost to Florida State.

1169
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 2: In a great game, by the way, that re gayly

1170
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: fun game as a non you know Florida State Oklahoma

1171
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: fan just to watch his entertainment.

1172
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 3: Absolutely, as Eddie mentioned, got the absolute tar kicked out

1173
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 3: of them by Texas forty nine nil. But there were

1174
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: a bunch of one score games in there that very

1175
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: easily could have gone Oklahoma's way. So we will have

1176
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 3: to wait and see what brand Vannabils learned from twenty

1177
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 3: twenty two. The offense in terms of efficiency was still

1178
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 3: top ten, the defense, not so much. Defense was top seventy.

1179
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: Dan, Look, you lose forty nine to nothing. I don't

1180
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: care who the quarterback, and that is Davis Bevil. I

1181
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: believe in that that Texas game. It's hard to be like, well,

1182
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: we were top seventy doesn't matter at that point, right,

1183
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how you fill in the gaps afterwards

1184
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: you lose how many they give up fifty to fifty

1185
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,479
Speaker 2: five to TCUE. You know, it's one of those things

1186
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: that's hard to be looked at as a silver lining.

1187
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 3: I am optimistic, though, I think there's there's plenty of

1188
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: reason to be hopeful that he will turn this thing around.

1189
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: Lord knows, he's got a great support staff around him

1190
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,959
Speaker 3: and a good administration, so seemingly those situations work out

1191
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: more often than not. The ted Roof thing, though, Look,

1192
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: maybe I've got PTSD. Well, we just sort of know

1193
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 3: how this is going to end, right, We know how

1194
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: it's gonna My friends and I still text back and

1195
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 3: forth about the so called leaky roof at Penn State

1196
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve, that one year that Ted Roof was

1197
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: calling plays for the Penn State defense. It was not good, right,

1198
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: And I've joked on this show time and again that

1199
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: Brent Vennables should give him a fake headset in the

1200
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: same way they gave Dwhite Shirt the fake wheel on

1201
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: Lake Wall and Paul Pack. Let him think he's doing it,

1202
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 3: but don't actually let him do it. You want him

1203
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: away from this defense. I don't believe he's going to

1204
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: make it better. What do I know, I'm a lowly podcaster.

1205
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's the one thing. If there's anything

1206
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 3: that is caused for pause or favorite pet charity, right,

1207
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: it is a ted Roof thing in the leaky roof.

1208
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: Do you think that ted Roof is the goat as

1209
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: in the scape that he is now a professional scapegoat

1210
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: that you're like, look, pay me for two years and

1211
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: I can be the reason that you make staff changes

1212
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: and you buy yourself time. That he is a professional

1213
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: scapegoat at this point, that's a very.

1214
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: Mean thing too.

1215
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: Label dreaming. He's been all over the place, I know,

1216
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: all over the place in one year's stints, right.

1217
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: That he is.

1218
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: He is the kind of guy who you know you're

1219
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: not going to set him up for success. But when

1220
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: if things are inevitably going to go poorly because of

1221
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: you know, such a thin roster and so many new changes,

1222
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: when a new coach comes in, you're like, look, i'm

1223
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: gonna call the defense, and in two years, when it

1224
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: still doesn't look great but maybe improving a little but

1225
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: not enough, you're gonna fire me, I'm gonna make a

1226
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: bunch of money and onto the next place, on to Tulsa,

1227
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: on to Palo Alto.

1228
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know if he's a scapegoat. I don't

1229
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 3: know enough about ted Rufe to know whether he's actually

1230
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: good at what he does, So it would be mean

1231
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 3: for me to draw any kind of conclusions based on

1232
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: my anecdotal evidence the one year I saw him at

1233
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: Penn State. Now, there have been other years elsewhere that

1234
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: have also not been that great. Totally okay, to be fair,

1235
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: but I will wait to reserve judgment and see what

1236
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 3: happens in twenty twenty two. He's going to have a

1237
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 3: lot of talent on hand, a lot of talent on hand,

1238
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: and obviously good, a good partner in crime and brand

1239
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: Venables to help get that defense into shape. But I

1240
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: think the thing other than the PTSD from the Penn

1241
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: State year that I harken back to is something that

1242
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 3: we've talked a lot about with new coaches hiring their friends, Yeah,

1243
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 3: hiring their friends, and and it seems like these two

1244
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: guys are pretty good pals. Brand Venables spoke glowingly about

1245
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 3: him and how he wants to learn from his wisdom,

1246
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: and I mean really later on thick. Sure, I hope

1247
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 3: it works out. That's not to say you can't hire

1248
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: your friends and be successful. But if it doesn't get

1249
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 3: successful in a hurry, how Brent Venables reacts to moving

1250
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 3: on maybe from a friend would be interesting to see.

1251
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't come to that, but I think

1252
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: it could. I'm optimistic about Oklahoma football. I'm optimist on

1253
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: Oklahoma's defense. I think it's, you know, largely a Jimmy's

1254
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: and Joe's thing, right, the old phrase Jimmy's and Joe's

1255
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: beat x's and o's. I think Brent Vnables is going

1256
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 2: to be able to recruit. We saw this class. They've

1257
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: got the five star edge that Eddie mentioned, the duo

1258
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: of safeties led by Peyton Bowen, who makes that crazy

1259
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: dramatic swing from Notre Dame to Oregon to Oklahoma right

1260
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: around signing day. And so I am confident that Oklahoma,

1261
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: especially if you look at the teams that Oklahoma measures

1262
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: itself against, both of their new conference and nationally, I

1263
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: am confident that Oklahoma is going to build, at the

1264
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: very least a very good defense. And on that same token,

1265
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: I think you can find offense. I think you can

1266
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: find five star quarterbacks geographically where Oklahoma is, you know

1267
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 2: high four star quarterbacks, and you're going to have receivers

1268
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: follow them. And the other thing about Oklahoma is this

1269
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: has been a team that been a program going back

1270
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, Bob Stoops. They've recruited nationally. The Heisman Trophy

1271
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: winner went from DC to Norman, obviously following Lincoln Riley,

1272
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: but you look at what they've been able to do

1273
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: in California and on the West Coast all over the place.

1274
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 2: I think Oklahoma is a big enough name that you

1275
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: will be able to find offense. And Brent Vennable's reputation

1276
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 2: and ability recruit, to me, means that they are going

1277
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: to do as good, if not a better job recruiting

1278
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: overall than what Lincoln Riley was able to do, especially

1279
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: on defense because Lincoln Riley, Jamarcaine, they found guys on defense,

1280
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 2: they found blue chip players, they just didn't develop them

1281
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: and didn't develop defenses outside of the twenty twenty COVID

1282
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: year with Ronnie Perkins. So I'm confident that their transition

1283
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: will be by and large pretty good to the SEC

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Speaker 2: because I think they're going to build up depth on defense.

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Speaker 2: To me, it's just a matter of like, what does

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Speaker 2: their ceiling look like playing LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida,

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: if Florida comes back, you know, A and M if

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Speaker 2: they're able to figure things out, Like, it's just it's

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Speaker 2: a rockier street for suit.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's absolutely rockier and shorter term. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: like the defense was wholesale bad. There were bright spots

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Speaker 3: on the defense, but they were bad in the spots

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Speaker 3: that really get you. I'm talking about things like sack rates.

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Speaker 3: The pressure rates from Oklahoma actually was not horrible. They

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Speaker 3: just couldn't sack the quarterback that gets you. Yeah, third downs,

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Speaker 3: tackling in general, tackling was a car crash. These are

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Speaker 3: the things, just a few I think fundamental things that

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Speaker 3: they need to repair and if they can do that,

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Speaker 3: it'll be a quantum leap forward. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: But you also, I mean, look, it's they gave up

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Speaker 2: fifty to Texas Tech to finish the season. You're also

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Speaker 2: talking about a couple of programs they face where they

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Speaker 2: had those nice defensive days. Was like, oh, it's an

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Speaker 2: all time Iowa State catastrophic offense. Okay, that's great, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much we can count on that

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Speaker 2: this coming year with their schedule and moving forward in

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Speaker 2: the SEC. So no, I still think there's a lot

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Speaker 2: to be fixed, by the way, Ty, can I give

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Speaker 2: a reading recommendation while we're on this top a reading recommendation?

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Speaker 2: Ok I'm in the middle of reading a book called Boomtown,

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Speaker 2: which has been out for a while about the history

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Speaker 2: of Oklahoma and Oklahoma City specifically, and so I'm knee

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Speaker 2: deep in all things Sooner State.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 2: It's a really really fun read about how Oklahoma City

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: was just sort of constructed out of nowhere as a

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Speaker 2: city and all just the weird history of Oklahoma City

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Speaker 2: as a city. And it's sort of it's paralleling with

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Speaker 2: the Seattle Sonics moving and becoming the thunder in Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating, very.

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Speaker 3: Really good title. You want, Boomtown, the fantastical saga of

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma City. It's chaotic founding, it's perloined good word basketball

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Speaker 3: team and the dream of becoming a world class metropolis.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, No, it's it's really good. It's

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01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: back and forth. There'll be one chapter about how Boeing

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Speaker 2: tested supersonic aircraft over the skies of Oklahoma City and

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Speaker 2: it set up sonic booms every like hour and a

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Speaker 2: half and drove the people out of their minds. But

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Speaker 2: because Oklahoma City wanted to be like a major international place,

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Speaker 2: so like, yeah, we'll do it, We'll let you test.

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01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: And then six months later they're like, we have all

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Speaker 2: gone completely say and then it's like, here's what's happening

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01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: with James Harden's free agent or James Harden's impending free

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01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: agency and trade request kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a really good book.

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Speaker 3: I like it a lot wonderful.

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Speaker 2: That's all unsolicited recommendation for Boomtown.

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Speaker 3: All right, big thanks again to Eddie Redosovich. Make sure

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Speaker 3: you check him out over at Sooner Scoop Eddie underscore

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Speaker 3: r Ad on Twitter. We will continue forging ahead. We

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Speaker 3: will continue with our year one deep. We have teams

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Speaker 3: yet to cover. As always, send in your suggestions, whether

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Speaker 3: on social media or just play ol fashion email soliverble

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Speaker 3: at gmail dot com is how you can get to

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Speaker 3: We've had a bunch of people right in with various

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Speaker 3: suggestions for teams that remain so excited to hear from

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Speaker 3: folks and doing our best to incorporate some of those suggestions. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 3: for myself, Ty Hildebrand, thanks again for downloading, for listening,

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Speaker 3: for playing along at a home, check us out at

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Speaker 3: verballers dot com, and by all means, have a good weekend,

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Speaker 3: Stay solid, peace,