WEBVTT - The Power of Polite

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert lamp and I'm Julie duxas Julie.

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<v Speaker 1>You go first, let me go first. You go first. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so polite. Thank you. Uh. And which is of

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<v Speaker 1>course the topic that we are talking about today, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about how opening doors, holding the elevator, all

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<v Speaker 1>those little things, those pleased and thank you, the niceties

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<v Speaker 1>that can make all the other little indignities of life

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<v Speaker 1>seem not so much of a big deal. The elevator.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad to not use an elevator anymore every

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<v Speaker 1>day to get to the office in our new building, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I just take the stairs. It saves me that that

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling you get when you rush ahead onto the

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<v Speaker 1>elevator and then you realize there's someone else coming. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't look at them, then you're not obligated

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the door open. Yeah, there's a whole we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this, we actually did. Yeah, elevator elevator etiquette,

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<v Speaker 1>and how a lot of that, like your politeness, is

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<v Speaker 1>probably tied to the algorithm of that elevator because if

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that elevator is only gonna come every

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<v Speaker 1>two seconds, you're not probably gonna hold the open door

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<v Speaker 1>button for that person. Yeah. The algorithm for the stairs

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty simple, and that's if I slip and fall,

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<v Speaker 1>probably nobody will find me in there because no one

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<v Speaker 1>uses those stairs. And that's that's you know. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>interesting thing about politeness too, is that, um, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that you don't have something fall by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be terrible. Um. That's the interesting thing about

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<v Speaker 1>politeness is that it seems like at face value it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty straightforward. But as we will get into there is

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of algorithm in place that dictates our levels

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<v Speaker 1>of politeness, and when we engage in it, Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>constantly tuning our politeness level to meet every face, every situation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ultimately, I keep thinking of this this massive spider web,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's holding us all in our place, our place

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<v Speaker 1>in society, our place in our interpersonal relationships, and just

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<v Speaker 1>and and and we depend on that wedding just to

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<v Speaker 1>hold it all together. It sounds kind of dastardly, the

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<v Speaker 1>web of polite, Yes, because there's a big spider there somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>right indeed ready to gobble us up. Um. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that we came across in our

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<v Speaker 1>research is that politeness, as well intentioned as it can be,

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<v Speaker 1>can sometimes be misconstrued. And a good example of this

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<v Speaker 1>is holding doors open for men. Oh yes, yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a research paper entitled When Door Holding Harms Gender

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<v Speaker 1>and the Consequences of non Normative Help by Megan McCarty

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<v Speaker 1>and Janice Kelly. And I think that title kind of

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<v Speaker 1>says it all. Non normative help. Um. So what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here hundred and nineties unsuspecting men and women

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<v Speaker 1>stepping through two portals into a Purdue University building. But

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<v Speaker 1>first they were a by a male member of the

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<v Speaker 1>research team as they walked toward the building. For half,

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<v Speaker 1>the research associate quote took a step in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the participant, opened the door and let the participant walk

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<v Speaker 1>through the front door first. Very chivalrous. Right. For the

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<v Speaker 1>other half, he reached for the adjacent door, so that

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<v Speaker 1>the two opened their doors more or less simultaneously. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you think that there would be weirdness from this? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would think there would be. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>initially I wouldn't have thought so, but once those people

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<v Speaker 1>got on the other side of the door, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a female research associate and she approached each subject and

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<v Speaker 1>asked him or her to complete a short survey and

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<v Speaker 1>on a one attend scale, they indicated UH their agreement

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<v Speaker 1>with three statements measuring self esteem, including quote I feel

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm a person of worth um at least on

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<v Speaker 1>an equal plane with others, and three measuring self efficacy,

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<v Speaker 1>including I can usually achieve what I want if I

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<v Speaker 1>work hard for it. And the results is that male

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<v Speaker 1>and only males, reported lower levels of self esteem and

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<v Speaker 1>self confidence if the door had been held open for them. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so it comes down to like the basic power to

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<v Speaker 1>enter a space and and your your self worth in

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<v Speaker 1>entering it. If someone is opening the door for you,

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<v Speaker 1>then your masculine reptilian brain can't handle it, or your

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<v Speaker 1>gender performing self can't handle it um And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>gender performing part. Is interesting because there's a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Irving Goffman, a Canadian American sociologist, and he viewed society

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<v Speaker 1>through what is called symbolic interaction perspective. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like everyday behavior in the interactions between people

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<v Speaker 1>to help explain why society is the way that it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And Goffman applied something called dramaturgical analysis and already too

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<v Speaker 1>in order to study this kind of social interaction. Um

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<v Speaker 1>so he looked at this as really theater performance. In

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<v Speaker 1>his book The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life, he

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<v Speaker 1>looked at self as an image deriving from the perceptions

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<v Speaker 1>and responses of others that create the face of the person,

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<v Speaker 1>and two as the actor, as a player in a

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<v Speaker 1>game or a set of rituals. So, for self preservation's sake,

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<v Speaker 1>the self, especially the actor representing yourself right, would be

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<v Speaker 1>interested in cooperations, signs and symbols and well understood practices

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<v Speaker 1>in society, like hey, you don't hope open the door

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I'm a strong man. I don't need another

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<v Speaker 1>man to do that. Right. So, in other words, for

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<v Speaker 1>most of us, we inhabit these actor selves on stage

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<v Speaker 1>responding to an audience, whoever the audience is, and we

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<v Speaker 1>try to guide the impression and form the identity through

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<v Speaker 1>the gaze of others, and our backstage selves are hidden away.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where a lot of this idea of

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<v Speaker 1>politeness and how we perform it comes into play. I

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<v Speaker 1>like the use of signs, symbols and ritual in this

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<v Speaker 1>because it makes it sound like every interaction we have,

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<v Speaker 1>every little polite interaction is is ultimately just a ritualistic

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<v Speaker 1>activity UM dealing with an abstract self, which show which

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mean because everything has some sort of context

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<v Speaker 1>to it that we all understand the game rules to write, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were just given this object and you had

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<v Speaker 1>never seen it before, you wouldn't know what to do

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<v Speaker 1>with it or how to interact with it. You would

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<v Speaker 1>need someone to tell you, like, this is uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>sphere and you can open up one of the compartments.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm holding the actual like sphere like thing um and

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<v Speaker 1>it's empty and you can put paper clips in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise you'd be if you've never seen it before, you

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<v Speaker 1>would be like, what is this alien thing? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean every every little interaction, particularly the holding the door

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<v Speaker 1>scenario that we've been discussing here, it's it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>its own little micro reality. It's it's own little game

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<v Speaker 1>with a set of rules and expectations. And no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what else is going on in the office building, or

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<v Speaker 1>the environment, or the country or the personal lives that

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<v Speaker 1>are going on, you have to enter that micro reality

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<v Speaker 1>at least for a few seconds to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Full disclosure here, um, Over the past couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>myself and a couple of the other house staff works

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<v Speaker 1>female staff workers here have been holding doors open for

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<v Speaker 1>men and then just seeing if they have a certain

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<v Speaker 1>kind of body language afterward. And just for the record,

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<v Speaker 1>the only person who has not allowed us to open

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<v Speaker 1>the door for him and not knowing what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on at all, with Scott Benjamin of Carson. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the nicest, most polite person in the world. He knows

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<v Speaker 1>the rules of the game and he's not gonna allow

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<v Speaker 1>you to break them. Noop alright, so Goffman theory that

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<v Speaker 1>was nine early sixties that comes out. The next step

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<v Speaker 1>in this study of politeness comes from with politeness theory

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<v Speaker 1>from husband and wife researchers Steven c. Levinson and Penelope Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>The basic concept here is that people have a social

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<v Speaker 1>self image and they consciously projected. Okay. The self image

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<v Speaker 1>is called face, as in you know, to save face,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has a dual nature positive face and negative face.

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<v Speaker 1>Positive face seeks approval, while negative face wants to be

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<v Speaker 1>left alone, doesn't want to be imposed upon. Now what

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<v Speaker 1>face do you have? What face are you dealing with?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it all, it all depends, especially when you're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with a face threatening act or an f t

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<v Speaker 1>A where the face that you're you're wearing is essentially challenged.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course there are two shades of this as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Positive f t A s are a direct challenge to

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<v Speaker 1>face or self image. You can think of this in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of an insult, a socially inappropriate comment, something of

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<v Speaker 1>that nature. Meanwhile, negative FDAs are far more confrontational. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody has to budge, somebody has to act, and an

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<v Speaker 1>imposition is being made. The example that that keeps coming

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<v Speaker 1>to my mind on this one on the negative FDA

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<v Speaker 1>is Dr Seus's story The Zacks from It was. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a very short little story in the book The Sneeches.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have a north going Zack and a south

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<v Speaker 1>going Zack and they neeed together, and I believe the

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<v Speaker 1>desert of packs, and neither one is gonna budge, like

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<v Speaker 1>the one is saying you have to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>my way because I'm going north and that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>I roll. And then the south going Zack says, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm going south and you're in my way, and

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to get out of the way, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>how I roll. And they neither one budges, and civilization

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<v Speaker 1>builds up around them and roads are built over them

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<v Speaker 1>in the highway and packs. But but yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's not engaging in the act of cooperation, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's ultimately what it what what is happening in in

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<v Speaker 1>in a negative f t A is somebody has to budge.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was thinking about the term f t A

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<v Speaker 1>this this facial threatening act that sounds so dramatic, But

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever been in a situation where you've been

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<v Speaker 1>with another person or a group of people and everything

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty light and then one person's face falls and

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<v Speaker 1>has and drops out of that sort of cooperative thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's really a very unsettling thing to see that

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<v Speaker 1>because it's so clear that that person is upset or

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<v Speaker 1>feels threatened or is threatening another person. Yeah, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>classic example would be you accidentally make some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>faux paw you make, you make an off color joke,

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<v Speaker 1>and unknowingly it affects somebody on a personal level. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So politeness theory essentially is driving home the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>politeness serves to both reflect and regulate our social distance. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>politeness theory identifies for politeness strategies that a speaker uses,

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<v Speaker 1>and the first is what is called a bald On strategy,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a direct approach that you would use with

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<v Speaker 1>someone that you know really well, so like a family

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<v Speaker 1>member or a loved one. So for example, you're at

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<v Speaker 1>home visiting your parents, you might say, I want pizza

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<v Speaker 1>for dinner. Right, very direct the second strategy because by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, you don't have to worry about their faces

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<v Speaker 1>falling so much, right they from the child on the pizza,

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<v Speaker 1>sure is right? Right um, But again you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to worry worry about the ft A factor too much.

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<v Speaker 1>The second strategy, the positive politeness strategy, shows you recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that your audience or the person you're talking to, has

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<v Speaker 1>a desire to be respected. It also confirms that the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship is friendly and expresses group reciprocity. So perhaps the

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<v Speaker 1>request would be something like, is it okay we have

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<v Speaker 1>pizza for dinner tonight? You know, it's just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit softer of a lab there the negative politeness strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>The third strategy also recognizes audiences faces, but it also

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<v Speaker 1>recognizes that you are in some way imposing upon them. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So again we're seeing degrees of relationships removed here. So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is someone I wouldn't normally have dinner with,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know what the preferences are, so you

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<v Speaker 1>could say something like, um, you know, I don't wanna

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<v Speaker 1>impose upon you or anything, but I was thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>pizza would be great. Okay. So semantically you're throwing in

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<v Speaker 1>some more stuff there to create that distance. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the final strategy is called the off record indirect strategy,

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<v Speaker 1>and this super I love this because it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the pressure off of you. Um, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>really trying to avoid this direct, face threatening act of

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<v Speaker 1>asking for pizza or whatever it is. Right, Um, So

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<v Speaker 1>what you do is you say something along the lines of, um, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's national pizzaday. I heard that restaurants are

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<v Speaker 1>giving ten percent of their profits to you and a stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>And you're trying to make that person anticipate what you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying and make the decision for you. Yeah, almost make

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<v Speaker 1>them decide to do the thing you want them to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost Jedi mind trick them, right, Yeah, Yeah, all all

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<v Speaker 1>in an attempt to avoid the dreaded f t A

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<v Speaker 1>right and in an attempt to secure cooperation. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>made the analogy of a web earlier, about everyone being

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<v Speaker 1>suspended in this web, and I keep coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>that in part because distance is such a key aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of all of this. And when I talk about distance,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about not only spatial distance as as definitely

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<v Speaker 1>space plays into any polite interaction how far am I

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<v Speaker 1>away from that individual, but also psychological distance, semantic distance UM,

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<v Speaker 1>temporal distance. Uh. It was we'll get into especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you think of in terms of sending a letter or

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<v Speaker 1>an email to somebody, when is it going to be received?

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<v Speaker 1>When in time are you addressing someone? So. Politeness theory

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that three aspects of interpersonal situations are universally related

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<v Speaker 1>to politeness. Number one the relative power of the address

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<v Speaker 1>see over the speaker. Number two the degree of imposition

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<v Speaker 1>of the to be performed act, and number three the

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<v Speaker 1>social distance between the speaker and the address see as such,

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<v Speaker 1>According to the theory, speakers use more polite language when

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<v Speaker 1>addressing individuals with a higher higher status UM than individuals

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<v Speaker 1>with equal or lower status uh. They use more polite

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<v Speaker 1>language when asking for a bigger favor versus a smaller one,

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<v Speaker 1>and when addressing strangers versus familiar people, none of that

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<v Speaker 1>should come as a surprise. Right. You're you're you're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with a police officer that just pulled you over. You're gonna, generally,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna roll out all the polite, polite niceties, right,

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<v Speaker 1>far more than you would um with just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a teller at a local store. Right. So. A two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand ten paper from a Tel Aviv University Department of

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<v Speaker 1>psychology investigated how politeness affects and is affected by the

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<v Speaker 1>level of constroal temporal distance, of constroal distance, temporal distance,

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<v Speaker 1>and spatial distance, and they predicted that greater politeness would

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<v Speaker 1>be associated with higher levels of greater temporal and spatial distance.

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<v Speaker 1>So in in examining this, they conducted no fewer than

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<v Speaker 1>eight separate studies, and most of these were written evaluations,

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<v Speaker 1>test quizzes. Uh. Pretty un um exciting stuff. But uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the end of it, they had some some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty key findings that shed some light on just how

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<v Speaker 1>politeness works within a cultural construct. Uh. They said people

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<v Speaker 1>were more polite when they addressed a person they construed

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of abstract goals and dispositions rather than concrete

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<v Speaker 1>means and situations. So this would be an example. This

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<v Speaker 1>would be, um, uh, you know, a general meeting with

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<v Speaker 1>the boss, as opposed to a we've got to hit

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<v Speaker 1>this deadline? Where are you standing on this project meeting

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<v Speaker 1>with the boss? Okay. They were more polite when they

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<v Speaker 1>expect did the target to receive the message in the

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<v Speaker 1>relatively distant future, when they referred to relatively distant future actions,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they addressed individuals in relatively distant locations. And

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<v Speaker 1>they found that a request to generate polite statements prompted

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<v Speaker 1>participants to use abstract verbs. So the example here would

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<v Speaker 1>be can you help me with some lecture materials is

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<v Speaker 1>coded as more abstract than can you show me some

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<v Speaker 1>lecture materials? Okay, so show is more of a demand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, the difference between hey can you help

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<v Speaker 1>me with this? And hey, can you do half of

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<v Speaker 1>this for me? You know, right? Um. They found that

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<v Speaker 1>the polite utterances were judged as pertaining to the relatively

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<v Speaker 1>distant future and were judged as directed to addresses and

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<v Speaker 1>relatively remote locations, which, um, which is internet. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can all think of examples where we've may have

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<v Speaker 1>addressed someone and said, hey, if you have time to

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<v Speaker 1>get to this, and no rush on this, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a minute, can You may be unloaded dishwasher,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're all heady, sort of pushing that event, that

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<v Speaker 1>unloading of the dishwasher into a more distant future. You're

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<v Speaker 1>you're establishing more temporal distance between you and the person

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<v Speaker 1>you're addressing, even if the dishwasher really needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>unloaded in the immediate future. Yeah, and you are employing

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<v Speaker 1>that negative politeness strategy to right the opposing part. The

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<v Speaker 1>Tel Aviv study um also said that when instructed to

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<v Speaker 1>use polite language and addressing another person, participants preferred a

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<v Speaker 1>relatively large spatial distance from that person. So they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>actually preferred to stand a little a little farther away

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<v Speaker 1>from the individual, or perhaps uh, you know, be isolated

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<v Speaker 1>from them across a larger desk. So, but politeness and

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<v Speaker 1>distance seem to go hand in hand. It's uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost the equivalent I keep thinking of. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>can't help it make Caveman analogies with any of these

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<v Speaker 1>sort of basic underpinnings of human behavior studies. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think of like of of somebody encountering like an enraged

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<v Speaker 1>ape and you don't want to make eye contact with them.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to establish that closeness with them because

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<v Speaker 1>there's danger, so you would do more to distance yourself

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<v Speaker 1>from the danger and employ more politeness. And that's where

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<v Speaker 1>the f t A comes from. Right, That's where the

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<v Speaker 1>drama of that comes from. So that's on the request

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<v Speaker 1>side of things, right, that kind of shows how tentative

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<v Speaker 1>or sometimes how we kind of loathe to even ask

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<v Speaker 1>for help, right, how we do it. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>are on the flip side and someone's asked you something, um,

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<v Speaker 1>how effective are sweet little nothings like thank you? Right? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Grant and Francesca Gino ran four experiments looking at

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<v Speaker 1>how the thank you sentiment played out with helpers and

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<v Speaker 1>the research, by the way, It is published in the

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<v Speaker 1>June issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first study, they had sixty nine participants who

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<v Speaker 1>were asked to provide feedback to a fictitious student named Eric. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the participants didn't know this was a fictitious student. They

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<v Speaker 1>just got some feedback or they just got an email

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<v Speaker 1>from him and so he asked for a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of feedback on his cover letter for a job opplcation. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>after sending their feedback through by email, that got a

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<v Speaker 1>reply from Eric asking for more help with another cover letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Half of them received this follow up with a thank

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<v Speaker 1>you incorporated into it, and half of them received a

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<v Speaker 1>follow up from Eric that was neutral with no thank

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<v Speaker 1>you in it. So the results were that helped Eric

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<v Speaker 1>in comparison to sixty six when those people received a

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, so already you can see that thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty six that that was. That's a pretty big

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<v Speaker 1>impetus for trying to help someone again if you receive

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<v Speaker 1>that little small token of gratitude. And this has a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of pay it forward aspect to it, because the

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<v Speaker 1>next day, the same participants received an other um request,

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<v Speaker 1>this time from a fictitious person named Stephen, who asked

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<v Speaker 1>if they could help them, And the percentage who offered

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<v Speaker 1>to help Stephen was twenty five when they had received

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<v Speaker 1>no gratitude from Eric, but this shot up to when

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<v Speaker 1>they had been thanked by Eric. So the politeness of

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<v Speaker 1>Eric's billed over into their willingness to help Stephen exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it affected that in as that sort of pay

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<v Speaker 1>it forward aspect to it. Now. The third and fourth

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<v Speaker 1>studies yielded similar results, but they used face to face

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<v Speaker 1>scenarios and all had the same idea that the simple

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<v Speaker 1>act of gratitude was helping to ratchet up the feelings

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<v Speaker 1>of self worth in the respondents. In the participants, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just a you know, nicety of saying hey,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. It's actually kind of feeding into

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<v Speaker 1>the ego a bit. Yeah, it's interesting to how then

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<v Speaker 1>each interaction is kind of helping to maintain the social

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<v Speaker 1>order of the politeness h algorithm. Yeah, because it's basically saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm imposing upon you my apologies. Can you help me?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we live in this cooperative society and that's how

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<v Speaker 1>we've survived as a species. How about it? And the

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<v Speaker 1>other person says, sure, here you go on. The other person,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for doing that. I know you didn't need to.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're gonna take a quick break and when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, we're going to discuss what's the most

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<v Speaker 1>polite country in the world, what's the least polite country

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, and can you be too polite? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. What is the most polite country in the world. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure everyone has their own sort of individual take

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<v Speaker 1>on this based on their own individual interactions with other

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<v Speaker 1>cultures in other countries. But generally speaking, when people talk

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<v Speaker 1>about polite cultures and phenomenal politeness, they talk about Japanese politeness.

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<v Speaker 1>They are famous for it, yes, and and indeed, when

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<v Speaker 1>we say phenomenal it is studied as a phenomenon um

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<v Speaker 1>by researchers UH. Linguistic politeness in Japanese culture UH has

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<v Speaker 1>especially been an item of study by Stanford's uh Yoshiko Matsumoto,

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<v Speaker 1>Professor of Japanese Language and Linguistics. In her work in

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<v Speaker 1>the late eighties and early nineties, Matsumoto argued that the

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<v Speaker 1>themes of Anglo Saxon individualism in politeness theory doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>really work with Japanese culture. That the end that the

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<v Speaker 1>very concept of face, particularly that of negative face, is

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<v Speaker 1>is ultimately just kind of alien to the Japanese. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>quote what is of paramount concern to a Japanese is

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<v Speaker 1>not his or her own territory, but the position in

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<v Speaker 1>relation to others in the group and his her acceptance

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<v Speaker 1>of others. Loss of face is associated with the perception

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<v Speaker 1>of others that one has not comprehended and acknowledged the

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<v Speaker 1>structure and hierarchy of the group. Mm hmm. So an

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<v Speaker 1>example of this that we see in in just the

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<v Speaker 1>linguistics of the whole scenario. In English, when we meet somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we say, nice to meet you, Nice to

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<v Speaker 1>meet you, which, of course, is such such an empty statement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice, like nice? What is even like it's a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure to meet you? Is it a pleasure like chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>is a pleasure? Yeah, yeah, it's it's such an empty statement.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're you have to say it. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>say something or some version of it, because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>start part of the contract, part of the back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth is the rules of the game. Okay. Uh. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's certainly a phrase with a lot of distance in it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just merely nice to meet you, to make your acquaintance. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of spatial distance, lots of symbolic distance, lots of Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start this on a positive foot. Yes we are.

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<v Speaker 1>This is very clinical. Really. However, in Japan, a typical

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<v Speaker 1>form of greeting is the following, and I apologize to

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<v Speaker 1>our our our Japanese speaking listeners. I'm I'm sure I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to hit this correctly. Dozu your oshako agamash

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<v Speaker 1>which means I ask you to please treat me well,

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<v Speaker 1>take care of me, which to to foreign ears, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it might sound a little personal. It sounds very vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>and very honest. Right, yeah, it's like, hey, take care

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<v Speaker 1>of me, suckle me. You know, I don't think the

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<v Speaker 1>suckle me is okay, but it does have an aspect

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<v Speaker 1>to it that's like, hey, I'm meeting you, I'm I'm vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, treat me well. I mean, that's that's much more.

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<v Speaker 1>That resonates a lot more than nice to meet you. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were going to go strictly by politeness theory, however,

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<v Speaker 1>this would be a bit of a negative face and position. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It lacks the distance of that in that English language politeness,

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<v Speaker 1>But in this we see that the But in this

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<v Speaker 1>it really zeroes in on the focus on inter dependence

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<v Speaker 1>in Japanese culture um and that interdependence even has a

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<v Speaker 1>special name in Japanese culture um Amaru and it uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all about placing yourself in another's care as a

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<v Speaker 1>sign of respect. Um also respecting your elders and realizing

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<v Speaker 1>that you're you're ultimately under their protection, under their guidance,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore it's a it's a sign of respect, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're recognizing the existing social hierarchy by saying, please

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<v Speaker 1>take care of me. Okay. So instead of denying the

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<v Speaker 1>threat as hey, nice to meet you. Everything's good here, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no threat, it's more an acknowledgement of a possible threat. Yeah, right, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>take care of me. I know you that you could

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<v Speaker 1>not do me a solid here, right, but please do. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you fail to recognize this hierarchy, um and

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<v Speaker 1>and the ranking here and the interconnectedness, then you're creating

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<v Speaker 1>an impression of ignorance or lack of self control, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you lose face for real. Huh. Okay. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the least polite country, this one is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot harder to get to a lot of people. When

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<v Speaker 1>it's represented in the media, at least frame it as

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a tourist goes to this country and they

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<v Speaker 1>find these people to be rude. Well, that's erroneous in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of logic anyway, because it's you know, that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of experience is freighted with cultural expectations and violations of norms. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So my norm in the United States is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>different this one else's norm in France, for instance. So

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<v Speaker 1>the best way to get at this is again to

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<v Speaker 1>go more towards that direct indirect nature of language. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is really plumped by Eva Ogerman's excellent article Politeness

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<v Speaker 1>and Indirectness Across Cultures A comparison of English, German, Polish

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and Russian requests. Again interact direct and requests that we're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with here, and she writes that English and German,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, tend to contain the more distancing and polite

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:08.159
<v Speaker 1>indirect request, whereas Russian and Polish is more direct. She

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>writes quote. What Brown and Levinson's theory does not account

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>for is that some cultures appreciate pragmatic clarity while associating

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 1>directness with honesty. Indirect requests, on the other hand, not

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 1>only increase quote the interpretive demands on the hearer. Uh.

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.399
<v Speaker 1>In other words, you have to really listen carefully if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, hey, it's National Pizza Day, to try to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what it is that I'm hinting at, she says,

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 1>but can also quote make the speaker sound devious and

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the nepulative. Indeed, coming back to the Jetti mind trick thing,

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>why are you trying to trick me into thinking pizza

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 1>is a great idea when really you just want me

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:47.879
<v Speaker 1>to you just want pizza. Right, So she's saying in

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<v Speaker 1>this example, um, you know, the Russian here isn't necessarily

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 1>discounting that direct approach because that feels more honest. And

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.120
<v Speaker 1>she also says, a Russian here or does not necessarily

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 1>regard a request as an imposition on her or his

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>personal freedom and a potential refuse. It involves less face

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>loss for a Russian speaker than it does for somebody

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 1>with an Anglo Saxon cultural background. In other words, if

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you make a request and the person says no, then

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 1>it's not as heart wrenching as it would be in

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>in an Anglo Saxon exchange. It's interesting too, uh. You know,

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>when you think of Russian culture, one of the sort

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>of stereotypes that comes to mind is very close personal

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 1>interaction during greetings, right, kisses on the face even uh,

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 1>you know one one man kissing another on the face,

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>or or you know Vladimir Putin kissing a small boy,

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's all perfectly acceptable. Well, you're right, So

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you see that correlation with there's a directness with language,

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and there's a directness with personal space. So the nonverable

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:57.480
<v Speaker 1>a viable matchup. Yeah. Meanwhile, in the in Japanese cultures,

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>you definitely see more of a uh a spatial distance

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 1>in interactions as a whole. And yet both of them

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you would think of them as being completely different, but

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>both of them are treading on the concept of honesty

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>and and ultimately, like no, no no matter what particular culture

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>you're looking at, and their various levels of politeness, their

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>various semantic systems of politeness, I mean, it's all coming

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>down to maintaining that webbing, maintaining that system of interactions

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that keeps everyone sane and uh and uh and and

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>and functional. Right. So, in this respect, there's a worth

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>to being agreeable, right to putting yourself out there, to

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 1>being polite. But the question then comes up, could you

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:46.479
<v Speaker 1>be too agreeable? Could you be too almost obedient? Ah? Yes? Uh?

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>And in this week get into Stanley Milgram's obedient study,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with already,

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>at least you know surface level and of course, this

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<v Speaker 1>is where we end up discussing the Holocaust while examining politeness. This,

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<v Speaker 1>uh this study from Milgrom came up in the nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the experiments began in July ninety one, just three

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>months after the start of the trial of nerds of

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>German Nazi war criminal Adolf Aikmann in Jerusalem. So the

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<v Speaker 1>idea here, of course is we're millions of indige of

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<v Speaker 1>individuals just following orders when it came to the Holocaust,

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<v Speaker 1>or were they actual accomplices? Could could you essentially just

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<v Speaker 1>be so polite and fall in line and in doing so,

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, lead straight to the gates of hell. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what he decided to examine in a series of experiments.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's worth noting that there were nineteen of

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<v Speaker 1>these in all. This wasn't just one single experiment, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were all kind of shades of the same the

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<v Speaker 1>same um. But they are all sort of shades of

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<v Speaker 1>the same format. Okay. Uh So, basically, particularly with the

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<v Speaker 1>most well known example of the experiment, which I think

0:30:56.240 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 1>was Experiment five. Yet forty men recruited using newspay of

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>her ads, paid four dollars and fifty each. They were

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>brought in uh and divided into groups. So you had

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<v Speaker 1>teachers who were asked to pull a lever and administer

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<v Speaker 1>a shock every time a learner answered a question incorrectly.

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Learners were heard but not seen, and uh they were

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<v Speaker 1>part of the experiment. There wasn't really somebody being shocked

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>in the next room. They were just pretending to be shocked,

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>you know. All the while the learners are complaining about

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the shocks, which increased by fifteen volts for each wrong answer.

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>At the three volte level, the learners bang on the

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 1>wall for release, and beyond this there's only silence. And

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 1>at this point the experiment or the authority figure in

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<v Speaker 1>the scenario instructs the participant to treat this silence as

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:49.959
<v Speaker 1>an incorrect response and deliver a further shock to the learner. Okay,

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>so it's a pretty kind of diabolical scenario. Going into this,

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>it was predicted that no more than three out of

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred participants would actually deliver that maximum shock to

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a silent learner. Only three. That was that was one

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>of the predictions going in. In reality, six of the

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 1>participants in Milgram's best known study again experiment five delivered

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>the maximum shock thirty five percent. Then we're refusing to

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<v Speaker 1>administer that highest shock level to this individual who is

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>presumably unconscious or even dead following these previous shocks. Now,

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the obedience rates were different depending on the experiment. Again

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>there were there were nineteen of them, and they be

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 1>varied with the scenario a bit. In each one, obedience

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>rates dropped to forty seven point five percent in a

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Rundown apartment building environment versus a gale campus environment for

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>for experiment number five. And then there was yet another

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<v Speaker 1>experiment in which the learners only had to take notes

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>about the shock, they didn't have to actually administer it,

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and in that obedience rates hit ninety two point five percent.

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So they were just bureaucratically a part of the shock,

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and therefore they were more obedient. So the more distance,

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the more they could sort of objectify that person, yeah, exactly,

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 1>and then carry that out. So how this plays into

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<v Speaker 1>politeness theory and politeness across cultures. Milgram was essentially an

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<v Speaker 1>evolutionary psychologist, and the central idea here is that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a survival advantage to submitting to authority. He recognized

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>the humans evolved a psychological mechanism for obedience, which he

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<v Speaker 1>called the agentic state. And in this state, normal moral

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>inhibitions are bypassed and we become a mere agent of

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 1>an authority. So the idea here is that there is

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<v Speaker 1>there's an evolutionary advantage to politeness, there's an evolutionary advantage

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<v Speaker 1>to staying in line with the social norms and obeying

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<v Speaker 1>the authority figures that are sending you orders, suggestions, what

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<v Speaker 1>have you okay now? To explore this, u there was

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<v Speaker 1>an extension of the Milgram study by researchers at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Graham Noble Alps in France, published in the

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and fourteen edition of the Journal of Personality.

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<v Speaker 1>And they wanted to see which personality types were more

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<v Speaker 1>or less likely to obey orders that resulted in pain

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>to others. And so participants were thirty five males, thirty

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 1>one females fifty four from the general population and they

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>were contacted by phone eight months after their participation in

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>a study transposing Milgrom's obedience paradigm. And these interviews were

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 1>presented as opinion polls with no stated ties to the

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>earlier experiment, and the personality was assessed by the Big

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Five Mini Markers questionnaire, which was also used in the

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Millgram studies, and this includes categories of personality like conscientiousness

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and agreeableness. Now, political orientation and social activism were also measured,

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and the results confirmed hypotheses that the conscientiousness and agreeableness

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>would be associated with willingness to administer high intensity electric

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:04.479
<v Speaker 1>shocks to a victim. Um. The subjects what we're seeing

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 1>here again had a more agreeable and conscientious personality the

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of disposition, and they were more likely to follow

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the orders given to them, um, even if it meant

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>delivering these painful shocks so that they didn't go against authorities.

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>So just sort of underscores all of what you were

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 1>talking about with the Milgram studies. Uh, now this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>People with more left wing political leanings were less likely

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>to deliver the painful shocks, and a particular group of

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>study participants were described as holding study and refusing to

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>harm others. And this group was women who had previously

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 1>participated in rebellious political activism. And I think all of

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.959
<v Speaker 1>this kind of all the circles back to why why

0:35:56.040 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>do atrocities happen? Does it? It's politeness? Really, factor that

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>much into obedience. Can it be so extreme that, um,

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that it ties back to this revival instinct of authorities

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 1>and obedience. Yeah, I mean, of course it's gonna it's

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna vary depending on the particular cultural situation as well

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:22.240
<v Speaker 1>as the political climate. Right, But it's all really fascinating

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 1>when you when you look at politeness in this way.

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>It's not just the pleas and thank you is that

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 1>we try to instill in children, you know, for good

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>reason because they will get more help. Um. But there

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more going under the cover here of

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the semantics of it. Yeah. Indeed, I mean we are

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about something that kind of to to an extent,

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 1>holds us all together, or at least allows us to

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.319
<v Speaker 1>work within a given culture. And I think that's why

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 1>you see too in computer mediated communication, talking about email

0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and talking about Facebook, Twitter, so on and so forth,

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>you see less of a regard for the feelings of

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>others because you don't have that sort of you know,

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>face to face interaction. You don't have to see that

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the look of spoilage across someone's face when you've said

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:16.360
<v Speaker 1>something terrible. Indeed, Yeah, I mean, the uh, the modern

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>world of email and online reviews and uh facebook comments.

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 1>That really does skew everything a bit, especially when you

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>start thinking again about those factors of of distance in space,

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>distance and time, um, and how that factors into you

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.279
<v Speaker 1>thinking about the other person on the other end of

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a given email review. Yeah, and again it's it's occupying

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the headspace of the other person and kind of ties

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.280
<v Speaker 1>back to empathy as well. And I was thinking, um,

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>even when when you're thinking about the cadence of UM

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 1>two people talking, there are specific rules in place there,

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>rules that even whales observe. Yes, this is pretty interesting

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>course of Whales are known uh for some of their

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 1>their whale songs right there communicating uh with each other

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>across vast distances. Uh. And what happens when those calls overlap, right,

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>those conversations overlap, while, as it turns out, the whales

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>are actually uh doing what they can to remain polite

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:22.839
<v Speaker 1>and courteous of those other conversations. Yeah. Natalia Ciaro Viskia

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>of the University of Louisiana at Lafayette and her colleagues

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>discovered that whales change the intervals between their echolocating clicks

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>in a way that seems to prevent cluttering the echoes

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 1>from these other calls, and she says, quote in other words,

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 1>whales are polite listeners. They do not interrupt each other,

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>which would be really important because there's there's uh information

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>that's trying to be uh disseminated here, and if you

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 1>don't get the information, well, hey, that might affect your survival. Yeah.

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's the sort of the the Jinga tower

0:38:56.520 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 1>of communication, and certainly the human Jinga Tower of of

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the intercommunication is far more complicated. Uh, but but the

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>simplified whale model uh illustrates that that anytime there is

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 1>uh there there's there's there's a social system in place,

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 1>you have to have at least some level of politeness

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 1>to make it work right or else you're going to

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 1>be shunned. Yeah, and that's the really the crux of

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 1>all of this, whether it's from an authority figure or

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>from the group. Um, which of course led us to

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>wonder if there are any whale jerks out there that

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>have been ejected from the group because I keep talking

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>over the other members. Yeah, because yeah, we were talking

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 1>earlier about this, like, to what extent is whale society

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>such that a rude whale just simply dies out and

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and therefore nature selects for polite whales, whereas in human culture,

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 1>you you know, unmistakably you have individuals who uh don't

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>really work well in polite society, but perhaps they have

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>a skill that still makes them very valuable, you know,

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 1>like that, you know, the guy at the prime primordial

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>camp fire, and then maybe not primorial, like like some

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 1>guy at a prehistoric campfire. Maybe he's not great about

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>joining in with the post meal conversation, but he's the

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 1>best at grounding down uh, you know, weasel bones into

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 1>necessary paste. So you've got to keep around. And that's

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 1>why we developed willful inattention, as we discussed in that

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:27.359
<v Speaker 1>episode about willfully ignoring someone. Indeed. All right, so there

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.840
<v Speaker 1>you have a politeness. You know, hopefully you have a

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.719
<v Speaker 1>more nuanced understanding and appreciation for all those little niceties

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 1>to fill our life and to fill our interactions. Now,

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