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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,

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Speaker 1: starcasses with us of course. He is a traditional conjure

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Speaker 1: woman with four living generation of workers and two generations

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Speaker 1: that have passed on. For more than forty years. She

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Speaker 1: has been a veteran route worker and has been helping

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Speaker 1: folks through her ancestral heritage of old style conjure work.

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Speaker 1: She's an author as well, including Old Style Conjure Divination,

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Speaker 1: Conjure Style Star Welcome back. How are you? I'm great?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? Thank you for having me back.

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Speaker 1: It is great to have you back. In the wee hours.

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Speaker 1: Were you located these days? I'm in Texas, Okay, in

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Speaker 1: a small town in Texas. Your governor was reelected today? Uh? Yes,

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Speaker 1: does everybody like him? I guess they do? Do it?

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Speaker 1: Sounds like you're holding back a little bit, but that's

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Speaker 1: how we'll ask you. We're gonna talk our conjuring hexes

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Speaker 1: and all kinds of things. But tell me start. You

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Speaker 1: were with me a couple of years ago. How did

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Speaker 1: you get involved in this area? I actually grew up

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Speaker 1: with it. These are things that my mother did and

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Speaker 1: it was just stuff that she did growing up, you know,

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Speaker 1: like dust in our beds at night before we went

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Speaker 1: to bed because powder is protective. Just things like that,

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Speaker 1: cleaning the bottom of our shoes with turpentine and being

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Speaker 1: as children, it didn't seem odd to us. But you know,

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Speaker 1: when the internet came out, it just kind of came

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Speaker 1: out everywhere. It used to be things that were done

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Speaker 1: in private with families, and it was passed on from

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Speaker 1: family members because it's everyday living. You know. It's not

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Speaker 1: something that I do every once in a while. These

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Speaker 1: are things that I do every day to protect my home,

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Speaker 1: protect my family, keep prosperity coming in, you know, to

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Speaker 1: the home. So it's just prayers and stuff that I

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Speaker 1: grew up with. And it works, doesn't it, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: it definitely works. Yes. When we talk about conjure, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean to you? Start to me, it's a

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Speaker 1: way of life. It's how I live. It's drawing in

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Speaker 1: blessings and blessing others. It's healing, protection to make sure

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Speaker 1: that the family has everything that they need. Food on

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Speaker 1: the table, you know, in my world, the heart of

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Speaker 1: the kitchen is the heart of this home here, and

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Speaker 1: so when you cook, you're actually can during up even

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Speaker 1: normal people who are cooking, because you're feeding your family.

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Speaker 1: So you're drawn in blessings with the food. The movie

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Speaker 1: The Conjuring gave conjure a bad connotation. It did, it did,

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Speaker 1: it did. But you know, mister nor, that's Hollywood, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's it. They want to sell tickets, you know, But

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Speaker 1: in my world, it's blessings. Here's an example. Let's say

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Speaker 1: that you were trying to draw in prosperity. Money was low,

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Speaker 1: you were trying to draw prosperity into your home. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you can wash your doors inside and out with a

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Speaker 1: little bit of ammonia mixed with water that clears the

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Speaker 1: way blocks. Then if you wanted to, and you don't

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Speaker 1: have to light a candle. My mother burned lamps, but

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Speaker 1: not all the time. So if you want to light

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Speaker 1: you a small green candle, you can. You say the

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Speaker 1: Psalms twenty three over it three times three is a

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Speaker 1: holy number, and then you pray Jeremiah seventeen verses seven

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Speaker 1: through eight over it three times, and you would do

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Speaker 1: three of those one a day for three days. Why

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Speaker 1: isn't the Biblical connotations seem to be so powerful, star

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I was raised on them, and I've

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Speaker 1: thought about that question often. I don't know why they're

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Speaker 1: so powerful. My mother always worked with the Old Testament,

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Speaker 1: so that's basically what I work with. I know other

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Speaker 1: workers work with the Old Testament and the New Testament,

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Speaker 1: but that's not how I was, you know, how I

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Speaker 1: know what I know. I don't know why it's so powerful,

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Speaker 1: but my mama used to say that every prayer that

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Speaker 1: we pray, an ancestor has prayed that prayer more than once,

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Speaker 1: and it brings forth the power of all those prayers

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Speaker 1: that have been said in the past. Could you do

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Speaker 1: what you do without biblical connotations? You could not. Every

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Speaker 1: worker works with the Bible. That's just how I was taught,

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Speaker 1: and so that's how I work. I don't work with

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Speaker 1: the moon, but there's a lot of workers that work

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Speaker 1: But I don't work with the moon per se, but

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Speaker 1: there are workers that work with the moon. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever had a tense or bad situation that you needed

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Speaker 1: to get your conjuring to stop. I haven't. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about that too and its protection. So sometimes,

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Speaker 1: and especially in my world, when you're dealing with other workers,

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Speaker 1: things might get twisted. And so there are works that

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Speaker 1: you can do that can remove hexus what I call

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Speaker 1: cross condition jinxes, and one of those is Exodus six,

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Speaker 1: verse five through eight. Now, when you're doing on crossing

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Speaker 1: put on it, you can do three days in a row.

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Speaker 1: But for that I normally do seven to twenty one

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Speaker 1: days of prayer every day. Every day, Yes, are praying

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Speaker 1: three times a day. I'll pray like in the morning,

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Speaker 1: at six noon and six at night. What if you

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Speaker 1: miss a day, what happens? I assume that you could

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Speaker 1: pick it back up or you could start over again.

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Speaker 1: Is a hex like a curse? It is same same

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Speaker 1: thing basically, yes, sir. And what happens is there are

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Speaker 1: works that you can do to sour someone's life, to

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Speaker 1: cross them up where their money runs low. I personally

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Speaker 1: don't do that type of work. I had elders that

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Speaker 1: taught me that the only work that I should do. Now,

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Speaker 1: will I do that work? If it's justified. But justification,

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Speaker 1: every action causes a reaction, So if you are trying

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Speaker 1: to discern what action you need to take, I was

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Speaker 1: taught to always either throw the bones or lay the

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Speaker 1: cards out and speak with spirit and my ancestors and

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Speaker 1: see if I should do nothing, do something, or just

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Speaker 1: return it. We have a work that's called reversal and

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Speaker 1: reversal work part me. Reversal work actually takes whatever has

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Speaker 1: been sent to you and returns it back where it

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Speaker 1: came from. So usually you don't have to do anything,

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Speaker 1: do your work, do the reversal, and the energy is

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Speaker 1: going to go back where it came from. That's signs

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Speaker 1: when somebody puts a hex or a curse on you, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: why are they doing it? Why what are they trying

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Speaker 1: to do? Hurt you? Yes? Yes, Usually folks will throw

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Speaker 1: at your finances, at your relationship, at your health, Yes,

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Speaker 1: at your health. Health is a big thing some folks

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Speaker 1: will do. And it couldn't miscenore in this world that

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Speaker 1: I live in. It could be as simple as they

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Speaker 1: just don't like you. They don't have to have a reason,

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Speaker 1: you know, and not everybody is a justified worker. I

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Speaker 1: what I believe. You know, folks can't live if they

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Speaker 1: don't have money. You know, folks can't live if their

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Speaker 1: health is bad. And so this work is really supposed

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Speaker 1: that's not always the case. How long does it take

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Speaker 1: start to cleanse somebody who's been hexed. It depends on

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Speaker 1: the experience of the person that through the work. If

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Speaker 1: they are really experienced, it can take bass plus cleansings

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Speaker 1: and part of lensing. You can use a broom to

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Speaker 1: brush down. You can use a candle going down head

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Speaker 1: to toe while praying that whatever is there is removed.

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Speaker 1: Also an egg you could have to do bass spiritual

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Speaker 1: bass are have someone a worker, an experience worker, do

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Speaker 1: it's strong. If the person doesn't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: experience that through at the target, then it's kind of

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Speaker 1: easy to take it off. Uh huh Okay. And and

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Speaker 1: when you say that, is this somebody who doesn't have

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Speaker 1: they you know, they read something somewhere or they may

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Speaker 1: have just picked up something here and there, you know,

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Speaker 1: and not really know exactly what prayers to say are,

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Speaker 1: So that one's kind of simple. That could be as

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Speaker 1: simple as a five day bath, you know, spiritual bath

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Speaker 1: to remove it. But there are a lot of workers

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Speaker 1: star they've been hexed or cursed? Well, because things start

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Speaker 1: going wrong in your life. You know, one thing, you

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Speaker 1: know that could just be the universe trying to trying

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Speaker 1: to get your attention right, or could be just bad luck. Right, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: another thing, well, you know, maybe you need to start

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Speaker 1: looking around. But when things really start going wrong, trouble

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Speaker 1: Does that happen automatically? Well, you know, whenever you cross

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Speaker 1: Explain that. Okay, so I read bones. I've been reading them.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know when I started, many many years ago.

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Speaker 1: But basically, you some people throw chicken bones, some people

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Speaker 1: throw possum bones. Are never human bones, no, never, no,

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Speaker 1: like gives me a link with them, because when you

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Speaker 1: if they're sitting with me, I throw the bones in

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Speaker 1: to them. It all depends on how the bones fall.

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Speaker 1: Like I have a bone in my bones that is

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Speaker 1: don't even know what that tooth went to. But when

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Speaker 1: if all three of those teeth fall there, that kind

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Speaker 1: of tells me that they're having issues with gossip. Because

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Speaker 1: what do our browns do we talk? How many bones

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Speaker 1: have leftover bones, you might miss something that's important that

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Speaker 1: spirit wanted to tell. But it's sitting in a bowl

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Speaker 1: or a bat. Now. Is it the way the bones

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Speaker 1: land when you toss them that is important? Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: It is like I have a key in my bones set,

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Speaker 1: so if a bunch of stuff and keys open doors.

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Speaker 1: Keys are worked with in road opening work, which means

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Speaker 1: that if you have blocks and stuff, the key opens

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Speaker 1: that door up so your prosperity and stuff can come in.

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Speaker 1: But if that key is crowded with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other bones around it, that kind of tells me that

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Speaker 1: there's a block there. And I don't let them tell

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Speaker 1: me what's going on. I tell them what I see,

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Speaker 1: then we talk about it. Now, are the bones used

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Speaker 1: to do exactly that, to tell you what you see?

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Speaker 1: Or are the bones there to cure something? What's the

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Speaker 1: purpose of the bones the bones? I tore the bones

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Speaker 1: for devination, like I read the cards for devination, So

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Speaker 1: it just gives you an insight, yes, sir, Yes, Or

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Speaker 1: like reading the cards, you know I lay the cards.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the cards are telling me, like

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Speaker 1: tarot cards, No, sir, I can't read tarot cards. I

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Speaker 1: read playing cards. I've tried to read regular playing cards. Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't mean if I get four aces or

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Speaker 1: something like that. Okay, four aces is very good luck,

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Speaker 1: very good luck. Like the ace of diamonds represents prosperity,

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Speaker 1: the aces spades represent things changing which will probably come

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Speaker 1: across in some kind of stormlight. It varies as till

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