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Speaker 1: The former NFL player Aaron Hernandez has killed himself inside

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Speaker 1: his prison cell. Hernandez was found hanged with a bedsheet

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Speaker 1: on the window area of his cell. That twenty seven

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Speaker 1: year or former Patriots player was just acquinted of a

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Speaker 1: double murder last week, but he was serving a life

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Speaker 1: sentence for a separate murder. This is Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. The state just releasing one of three suicide

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Speaker 1: notes that he left. In one of his ten final

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Speaker 1: sentences for Shannah Jenkins Hernandez, he asks, tell my story fully,

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Speaker 1: but never think anything besides how much I love you.

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Speaker 1: He ends his final message, writing, this was the Supremes

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Speaker 1: the Almighty's plan, not mine. How about the handwriting? Did

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Speaker 1: it look like the handwriting was similar? But I feel like,

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Speaker 1: again you have nothing but time in there, so I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's easily duplicated or could be Superstar air

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Speaker 1: her Nandez suicide note a fake? What after all we

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Speaker 1: have been through? He was a suspect in multiple murders.

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Speaker 1: This after a forty million dollar football contract, just right

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Speaker 1: down the crapper. There's really no nice way to put it.

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Speaker 1: He allegedly murders one person after the next, just always

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Speaker 1: the same m O modus operendi method of operation. Finally

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Speaker 1: kills himself behind bars after writing John three six on

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Speaker 1: the walls and blood on his forehead. He leaves a

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Speaker 1: suicide note to his fiance, the mother of his little girl,

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Speaker 1: and now claims that suicide note is a fake. That

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Speaker 1: can only lead to one conclusion. If the suicide note

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Speaker 1: is a fake, then that strongly suggests someone believes erin

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Speaker 1: her Nandez was murdered. I, Nancy Grace, this is crime stories.

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Speaker 1: Let's get right down to it. Joining me the Duke, Alan,

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Speaker 1: Duke out of Hollywood. Alan, Let's start with the fiances

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Speaker 1: allegation and her reasoning behind why she believes erin her

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Speaker 1: Nandez suicide note is a fake? Roll it Did that

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Speaker 1: note strike you odd in anyway? No? I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a note of of love. I did see that

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Speaker 1: it was addressed to Shay instead of you know, babor Obey,

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Speaker 1: the way he would refer me as um that that's

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Speaker 1: a little odd to me. But as far as the

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Speaker 1: content seemed to be his loving self, it was addressed

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Speaker 1: to Shay, you would have thought it would have been

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Speaker 1: a term of endearment. More close more intiments. The absolutely

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Speaker 1: How about the handwriting? Do it look like him? The

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Speaker 1: handwriting was similar, but I feel like, again, you have

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Speaker 1: nothing but time in there, so I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: easily duplicated or could be. I'm gonna pause and thank

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Speaker 1: She tells Dr Phil that her Nandez note was odd,

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Speaker 1: claims the handwriting could have been easily easily duplicated. But

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Speaker 1: we are posting for you on Crime Online today a

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Speaker 1: handwriting analysis that we have been able to obtain. We

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Speaker 1: have obtained a known sample of erin her Nandez writing,

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Speaker 1: a known hand written note by erin her Nandez. Cannot

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Speaker 1: reveal our sources, but we have obtained his writing and

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Speaker 1: we know it to be his writing. To compare to

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Speaker 1: the suicide note, Let's go to the likelihood before you

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Speaker 1: analyze the known writing and compare it to the suicide note.

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Speaker 1: It Alan how likely is it that he could have

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Speaker 1: I just don't see how it would have happened. And

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Speaker 1: his cell, his private cell was barricaded from the inside,

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Speaker 1: Christ was crucified. And who would do that? Who would

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Speaker 1: could it have occurred. He is not a snowflake. You

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Speaker 1: cannot just go in and kill Aaron Hernandez. He usually

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Speaker 1: does the killing. Let's just get that straight. How would

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Speaker 1: just don't see that happening. I don't see it happening either.

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Speaker 1: he says you are rich, you're rich. The reference to

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Speaker 1: that's a much stronger argument than the suicide. Handwriting doesn't match.

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Speaker 1: Sure enough, he walked just like a duck. That helped,

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Speaker 1: when I first learned the importance of handwriting samples, and

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Speaker 1: I guess I've lived through several hundred of them by now.

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Speaker 1: This handwriting sample to in my mind, looking at all

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Speaker 1: of the similarities, there's no doubt this is Aaron Hernandez

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Speaker 1: handwriting in my mind. I mean, look at it, for

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Speaker 1: have four sentences, four lines. Here, it's the actually the

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Speaker 1: same kind of paper. I guess that's what you get

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Speaker 1: And again, if you're not there when a fire starts,

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Speaker 1: who will be there to save your home? Would simply

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Speaker 1: save home security, your smoke detectors, immediately alert emergency services

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Speaker 1: off your system. Today it's simply saved dot com slash Nancy.

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Speaker 1: safe Nancy. Grace crimes story signing off, goodbye friend,