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Speaker 1: Hello, They're happy Wednesday, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. No, I am not in my normal studio.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming to you from Midtown Manhattan, because sometimes New

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Speaker 1: York just comes a calling a little bit of work.

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Speaker 1: Was participating in a few different conferences that are taking

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Speaker 1: place in the lovely New York City area. In the

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Speaker 1: world of media and advertising and digital. I will say this,

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Speaker 1: it is fascinating to see in all of these in

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Speaker 1: these different entities, how everybody markets, how AI is a

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Speaker 1: part of their products. Right whether they have truly empowered

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Speaker 1: the actual AI is an open question in my book

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Speaker 1: on some of these entities that are pitching AI driven marketing,

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Speaker 1: AI driven buying, AI driven messaging. It feels as if

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Speaker 1: it's like the early days in the Internet when everybody

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Speaker 1: wanted to show off they had a website. Hey, we've

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Speaker 1: got a website www. Come to our website dot com. Right.

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Speaker 1: There is that feeling here where just say there's a

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Speaker 1: I even saw. I even saw a cleaning service now

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Speaker 1: advertising themselves as a tech specialty cleaning service. They know

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Speaker 1: how to clean in the highly you know, which is,

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Speaker 1: by the way, obviously something that maybe some companies would

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Speaker 1: care about. But essentially they're saying that you can, we

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Speaker 1: will help clean your data centers and show respect for

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Speaker 1: the equipment as we clean the data centers. We're experts

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Speaker 1: on that. So everybody trying to get the peace of this,

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Speaker 1: of this small, narrow, growing sector. We think it's a

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Speaker 1: growing sector of the economy. I think there's some concern

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Speaker 1: that it is a self eating it's sort of a

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Speaker 1: But there definitely seems to be just say, there's some

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Speaker 1: AI in it, and let's market it. Hey, whatever your

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Speaker 1: business is, claim it's AI driven. Welcome to my food truck,

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Speaker 1: AI driven taco recipes. Right. You can sort of feel

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Speaker 1: that shift as we transition in this economy. But my

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Speaker 1: focus is a little bit. It is a It is

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Speaker 1: a derivative of the shutdown showdown that we're in the

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Speaker 1: midst of right now, and I think the Democrats have

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to declare victory and get out

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Speaker 1: of this because I do think every day that goes

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Speaker 1: by now, look, i think they've gotten everything they can

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Speaker 1: hope to get out of this shutdown. When you are

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Speaker 1: on the lower ground, right and they have the lower

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Speaker 1: ground on this one, because it's the Republicans that propose

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Speaker 1: the clean continuing resolution for just an additional six weeks.

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Speaker 1: So when you are choosing to do what the Democrats do,

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Speaker 1: you're doing it because you have a point to make,

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Speaker 1: and you're doing it because you're trying to bring some

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Speaker 1: attention to a specific issue. Right, you had Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: shutting down the government to try to bring more attention

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Speaker 1: to the implementation of Obamacare, for better or for worse

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Speaker 1: on that front, and on this case, I think you

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Speaker 1: have you had Donald Trump trying. You know, he essentially

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Speaker 1: orchestrated the shutdown in nineteen and eighteen and nineteen in

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Speaker 1: order to bring more attention to his inability to get

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Speaker 1: his border wall funded at the time. So this one,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats say, is about healthcare and is about specifically

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Speaker 1: subsidies for the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: So I know I'm going to sound like a broken

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Speaker 1: record here. If that truly is the reason you're doing this,

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Speaker 1: declare victory and open the government. And the thing is

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Speaker 1: is that I do think you're going to see diminishing returns.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty clear that you're you know, and I do

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Speaker 1: think that this is. This gets to the larger point

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about in my substack column this week, which

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Speaker 1: is how much energy do you devote to opposing Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump versus how much energy do you devote to opposing

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Speaker 1: a future Donald Trump? What do I mean by that? Right?

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Speaker 1: There's mitigation tactics to deal with what you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: in the moment, and then there's longer term strategies to

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Speaker 1: essentially try to make sure we don't have another demagogue

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Speaker 1: hijack a political party in our process. Again, right, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's rise is exposed to extraordinary amounts of vulnerabilities, whether

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Speaker 1: it is the ability to enrich yourself while in office,

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Speaker 1: if it's the ability to weaponize political agencies. And this

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Speaker 1: is where it comes to. If you look at what

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Speaker 1: they're doing with the with the government shutdown, one of

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Speaker 1: the consistent patterns, and we've all engaged in it in

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Speaker 1: ways to try to create guardrails around Trump, has been

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Speaker 1: this assumption that shame or political or sort of generic

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Speaker 1: political pressure would have a real impact. Shame has had

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Speaker 1: no impact. In fact, that the incredible superpower Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: has in some ways is not feeling shame. The access

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Speaker 1: Hollywood tape is sort of the best piece of evidence

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Speaker 1: of that that you essentially never you know, January sixth

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Speaker 1: is arguably the next pest piece of evidence. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: can flip the two and what would normally shame almost

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Speaker 1: any other politician in our history, including one Richard Nixon

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Speaker 1: shamed him into resignation, does not work with him. Right

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Speaker 1: If you're hoping that touching the hot stove, which this

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Speaker 1: government shutdown is doing, that Trump touching the hot stove

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Speaker 1: is going to burn his hand off. What if I

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Speaker 1: told you he didn't have the information. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing in the feedback loop he is getting that tells

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Speaker 1: him his hand is burning, He feels no pain, Well,

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Speaker 1: he puts his hand on said hot stove. And so

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Speaker 1: if you're dealing with somebody essentially that's willing to shoot

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Speaker 1: the hostage, right in this case, just lay off more

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Speaker 1: federal government workers in the agencies that Democrats seem to

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Speaker 1: care more about than generically Republicans do. That that blowback

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Speaker 1: would somehow bother him, right because swing voters don't like

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Speaker 1: this in either way. But if your feedback loop is

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Speaker 1: all about owning the Libs and pleasing your base, well

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Speaker 1: then he has no Then the incentives you think would

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Speaker 1: work under almost any other normal pre Trumpian circumstance doesn't

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Speaker 1: work in this scenario. But if you're if you look

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Speaker 1: at it through the prism. And this is something that

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Speaker 1: I think Democrats have had a hard time with for

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Speaker 1: a long time, which is learning how to declare victory

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Speaker 1: even if it's a one point victory, right, learning how

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Speaker 1: to embrace it. Donald Trump knows how to declare victory

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Speaker 1: even when he loses, literally on January sixth, but on

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Speaker 1: even on some issues he's somehow trying to declare victory

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Speaker 1: in using taxpayer dollars to bail out Argentina. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, he's made it a quid pro quo, essentially saying,

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Speaker 1: if Argentina throws out Malay Hell, it will make an

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Speaker 1: enemy of the United States, yet another tast of our

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Speaker 1: demagoguery and another personalization of the presidency that erodes our

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Speaker 1: ability to be the moral authority on democracy around the world.

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Speaker 1: And we have lost all of our moral authority on

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Speaker 1: that front, and then some going back there. But sometimes

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Speaker 1: when you are frustrated by a situation, you end up

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Speaker 1: you know, you can get so frustrated. I've had similar situations.

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Speaker 1: It's been a long time since I've done this, but

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Speaker 1: I remember punching a hole in drywall once, so mad

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Speaker 1: I punched a wall. I knew it was drywall. Put

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Speaker 1: For a moment, you think, wow, I'm so strong, it's drywall. Please. Second,

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Speaker 1: That was pain in the ass. Then I had to

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Speaker 1: It costs yourself a whole hell of a lot more

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Speaker 1: work sometimes when you just want to express frustration for

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Speaker 1: frustration's sake. And I think we're entering that situation. And

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Speaker 1: every day that goes by that this shutdown goes, the

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Speaker 1: less it becomes about healthcare, and the more it becomes

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Speaker 1: about how the shutdown is impacting everyday lives, how it's

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Speaker 1: making Thanksgiving. You know, if we get to get close,

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Speaker 1: we start getting close to Thanksgiving travel and we're keeping

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Speaker 1: parents from their kids, grandparents from their grandkids. That's not

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Speaker 1: going to help anybody. And again, the base of the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party is going to be a lot more comfortable

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Speaker 1: feeling their handget, you know, letting their hand burn up

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Speaker 1: on the stove than any part of the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: on this front. And right now you've got healthcare into

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Speaker 1: the forefront. You've got Republicans talking amongst themselves like this

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Speaker 1: is a real problem, they've got to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: You've got people like Marjorie Taylor Green making the ca

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Speaker 1: So you're winning the argument. That's all you have the

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Speaker 1: be able to get them to do any more than that.

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Speaker 1: But if you're winning the argument, then you're likely to

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Speaker 1: get the legislation that you're hoping for. But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: you're probably not going to You've at least given yourself

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Speaker 1: But if you continue to keep the government shut down

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Speaker 1: thinking every day, boy, you know, some of the stupid

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Speaker 1: rhetoric that is leaked out on the Democratic side not

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Speaker 1: a good look for Chuck Schumer to basically imply, oh,

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Speaker 1: every day this gets better. It doesn't get better for

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Speaker 1: the rest of us. It may get better for your politics,

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Speaker 1: but it's not getting better for anybody else for the

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Speaker 1: government to be shut down every day. If you're participating

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Speaker 1: with the federal government, and you're dealing with federal workers

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Speaker 1: So be careful of what words you're using there on

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Speaker 1: that front. And so at some point you got to

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Speaker 1: I think we're congressional Republican leaders know this, and then

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Speaker 1: till Donald Trump engages, Republicans an't going to budget anything.

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Speaker 1: So what's your planning to get Donald Trump involved in

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Speaker 1: these talks? That's my That would be my question to Democrats,

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Speaker 1: what's your what's your If your goal is the healthcare subject,

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Speaker 1: You've got to get Donald Trump's attention. He's busy blowing

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Speaker 1: up votes with questionable legal authority. I would argue he

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Speaker 1: Congress has been crickets on this instead focused on the shutdown.

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Speaker 1: In some ways understandable, but this is you know, the

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Speaker 1: But apparently congressional oversight does that's a problem. He's doing

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Speaker 1: by replacing Joe Biden on that one. But it's fat

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Speaker 1: and for what it's worth, with her first day in office,

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Speaker 1: and you already have, uh, the first attack ad on

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Speaker 1: Janet Mills from Graham Platin or the Oyster Farmer. I know,

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Speaker 1: I've finally learned his first and last name. For those

435
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Speaker 1: of you that would keep keeping track, here here's what

436
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: the ad does. A woman in the spot itself, so

437
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Speaker 1: it's not the candidate detecting Janet Mills by name, but

438
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Speaker 1: in the spot, a woman in the spot says Janet

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Speaker 1: Mills again, she was a good governor, but I think

440
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Speaker 1: it's time for a change. So welcome to what I

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Speaker 1: think is now a new Democratic Party. Headache This is

442
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: not recruiting Roy Cooper in North Carolina, and frankly, it's

443
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: not even recruiting Shared Brown in Ohio because you could

444
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Speaker 1: argue that Shared Brown was I'm torn at his race.

445
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: I think he is the best possible candidate they could

446
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: get in this moment. Who could raise him, and he

447
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: rose raised a big chunk of money. Is whether the

448
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: Democratic Party is going to support him. They didn't really

449
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: help him out of his jam as much two years ago.

450
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: He was very frustrated, particularly on the trans issue, how

451
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: little backup he got from the National Party to help

452
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Speaker 1: him out on that race. On this one, this is

453
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Speaker 1: going to become a massive primary headache. There's going to

454
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Speaker 1: be a massive amount of money spent in the primary

455
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: that arguably might be better suited for the general election. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see. Look one thing, and this was the subject

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Speaker 1: of my substec last week. One thing we learned is

458
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Speaker 1: that nobody if aking Jeffries or somebody who's threatened you

459
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Speaker 1: as a local candidate in the name of aking Jeffries

460
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Speaker 1: or Chuck Schumer by saying the National Party is not

461
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Speaker 1: going to support you, is anybody going to take them seriously?

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00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Graham Plattner, Are you really not going to

463
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Speaker 1: help his candidacy if he wins the primary and knocks

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Speaker 1: off a sitting governor and a Democratic primary. He's not

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Speaker 1: going to take those threats seriously because what other states

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Speaker 1: do you have on the board, Chuck Schumer that you

467
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Speaker 1: can target? And look, you know, I get it. Governors

468
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: in general are incredible fundraisers, and certainly in a larger

469
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: state like North Carolina, make a lot of sense in this.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those unique cases where it may

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Speaker 1: not make the sense you think it makes on this front.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of smart people

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Speaker 1: in and around Schumer world. I've known JB. Pursh a

474
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Speaker 1: long time, and I know the case he would make

475
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Speaker 1: to me on this one about oh, you don't understand

476
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: sitting governor's Chuck, I understand, I get it, I get it.

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00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: I do think you guys have adopted yourself quite the headache,

478
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: and it may be a headache you're gonna wish you

479
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Speaker 1: didn't acquire some six to eight months eight months from now.

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Speaker 1: All right with that, I will leave the campaign trail.

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Speaker 1: There's actually a lot more I want to get on,

482
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Speaker 1: but hey, I've gone a good thirty seven minutes. Here,

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Speaker 1: let's sneak in a break and I'll see on the

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Speaker 1: other side with my top five list and a little

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Speaker 1: lass chuck. So it is Wednesday, which means I have

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Speaker 1: a top five list, top top test, top five, top

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Speaker 1: top test top thought. To have a little a little

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Speaker 1: more fun, I do want to have, you know, monthly

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Speaker 1: check ins on my on my top five Senate race flips,

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Speaker 1: my top governor's race flips. But in this one, I

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Speaker 1: decided to do a top five list on comebacks. On

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Speaker 1: political comebacks of possible, there's sort of five political comebacks

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Speaker 1: that I think are reasonably viable. These are people essentially

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Speaker 1: running to reclaim an office that they once held. I

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00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: believe in just about every one of these scenarios, these

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Speaker 1: folks lost or were pushed out for a variety for

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Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. So my top five list is

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Speaker 1: top five. So Andrew Cuomo's doesn't make this list because

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Speaker 1: he never served as mayor, so yes, it's a political comeback,

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Speaker 1: but he's not trying to run for the same office.

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Speaker 1: But there is somebody on my top five list that

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Speaker 1: I will get to. He's in my fifth slot that

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Speaker 1: is running for his old office in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: and we will find out in a mere three weeks,

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Speaker 1: perhaps a month later due to runoffs the runoff rules

506
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Speaker 1: in said city, where we'll see if that comeback. It's

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Speaker 1: a unique comeback opportunity. But here it is my top

508
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: five most likely political comebacks where this person can win

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Speaker 1: back a seat they once held and they're essentially running

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Speaker 1: for their old office. Number one on that list somebody

511
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Speaker 1: with a very famous name that has a junior next

512
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Speaker 1: to it. It is Jesse Jackson junior. He of course

513
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Speaker 1: had his own problems that led him to have to

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Speaker 1: serve time. He essentially was misusing campaign funds for personal

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Speaker 1: gain and had to pay a price for that. He

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00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: served his time, and he now wants to run for

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Speaker 1: office again, and in fact, he has an open house

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Speaker 1: seat to run for in his community. His brother, by

519
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: the way, does serve in Congress right now, but he

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Speaker 1: wants to. He's going to run in the second Congressional

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Speaker 1: district in Illinois. It's the seat being vacated by congress

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Speaker 1: by Robin Kelly, who is running in that very crowded

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Speaker 1: US Senate primary to replace the retiring Dick Durbin. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think Jackson Junior. The Jackson name, the Jackson political

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Speaker 1: operation is very formidable in the Chicago area. The Jackson

526
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Speaker 1: name means quite a bit in a positive in many

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Speaker 1: communities in Chicago. How he asks for forgiveness will matter,

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Speaker 1: and in his comeback bid he has spoken with so far,

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Speaker 1: I think with a reasonable amount of humble pie that

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Speaker 1: he's been eating with it. And so of all the

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Speaker 1: comeback bids in fact that I'm going to highlight here,

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Speaker 1: I think he's the only one that's going to end

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Speaker 1: up back in the office that he wants out. I

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Speaker 1: think he is the best shot of anybody obviously, why

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Speaker 1: I put him number one, So Jesse Jackson Junior, I

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Speaker 1: think number one on the list of most likely to

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Speaker 1: get their old job back on that front, So number

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Speaker 1: two on that list is going to be I'm putting

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Speaker 1: Corey Bush. She is running for her old seatback against

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Speaker 1: the person that defeated her in a primary in Wesley Bell.

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Speaker 1: I think sort of the reason do I think she

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Speaker 1: ends up losing? I do. I think it was a

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Speaker 1: bit of her style that rubbed her constituents the wrong way.

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Speaker 1: She was not seen as very good at basic constituency services.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that this is so fresh, so recent.

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Speaker 1: You are also going to have a Democratic electorate. I

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Speaker 1: think that is looking to be more feisty and wants

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Speaker 1: to be a bit more confrontational. That actually could help

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Speaker 1: Corey Bush in that race. So I think you have

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Speaker 1: to put her in the number two slot of most

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Speaker 1: likely to get her to get her old job back.

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Speaker 1: It's and it it could the stuff that worked against

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Speaker 1: her in her last primary may not work against her

554
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Speaker 1: as strongly as it did the first time. Number three

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Speaker 1: on my list is a candidacy that it appears to

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Speaker 1: be more likely than not. What's funny is that there

557
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: were actually two people in this race that could have

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Speaker 1: qualified in this spot, but I wouldn't have put both

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Speaker 1: of them in my third set. And it's Johnny Sonunu.

560
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Speaker 1: He's a former US senator. He is being recruited heavily

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Speaker 1: to run again to try to get back into the

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Speaker 1: US Senate. He lost to Jean Shaheen. This time he's

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Speaker 1: running to try to you would be running to replace him. Now.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't announced yet, so you could say he's a

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Speaker 1: probable candidate. He of course would be in a primary

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Speaker 1: with Scott Brown, who is also a former US senator

567
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Speaker 1: who would be running for the second time to try

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Speaker 1: to win this specific seat. He actually ran against jeen

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Speaker 1: a cycle ago and did not win. Republicans are not

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Speaker 1: very bullish on Brown's ability to win this open seat

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Speaker 1: against the likely Democratic nomine Chris Pappus, but they're a

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Speaker 1: lot more bullish on Sonunu. And part of it is

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Speaker 1: Sonunu's brother is extraordinarily popular, the now former governor, Chris Snunu.

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Speaker 1: He is somebody that seemed to navigate navigate the cranky

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire Independent as well as anybody I've seen in

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire in sometime, and he knew how to push

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00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: back on Trump and he needed to, and he knew

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Speaker 1: how to look. I think there's some people on the

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Speaker 1: left that feel like he was too supportive at times

580
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Speaker 1: of Trump. But if you're actually going to be successful independent,

581
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: you got to know when to work with each side

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Speaker 1: and when to oppose each side, and you got to

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Speaker 1: sort of be sort of consistent with yourself and pulling

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Speaker 1: that off. The New brand is very strong in that state,

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Speaker 1: and I think uh Johnson, who arguably lost because he

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Speaker 1: was portrayed as being much too conservative for the state

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Speaker 1: some four years ago. I think in a weird way,

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Speaker 1: Trump has redefined conservatism, uh and in a way that

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00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: is more it is more of more of an online

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00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: you know too. Conservative is now seen as being sort

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00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: of more maga than it is more ideological. And so

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Speaker 1: the ideological problems that were Johnny Sunus do Johnny because

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Speaker 1: his father was a John was Johnson, who just for

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Speaker 1: an initial is not as I think, is not as

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Speaker 1: the same deal breaker as it was in his original

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00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: race against Shaheen, which was a massive race. So I

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00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: put him in the number three column. I mean think

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Speaker 1: the only reason he's not higher on the list is

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a tough year for

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Speaker 1: Republicans generically in New Hampshire's the type of state that

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Speaker 1: sort of moves, you know, if the country's leaning left,

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00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: new Hampshire's going to lean left. If the country's going

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00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: to lean right, as we've seen, New Hampshire is still

604
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: a bit more slightly more center left than the country

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00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: or else Trump would have carried that state in twenty

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00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: fourty didn't. But if you see if basically the generic

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Speaker 1: battle it's tied nationally, then there's an opening for someone

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Speaker 1: like Sanunu and his brand name may help in that one.

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Speaker 1: So he's number three, number four, the less I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put Shared Brown. The man raised eight million dollars in

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Speaker 1: six weeks. Incredibly formidable. He knows Ohio, he knows how

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Speaker 1: to do it. He's won in mid the midterm, the

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Speaker 1: midterm environment. You know, his one loss was in the

614
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Speaker 1: was in that presidential environment where more Trump and Vance

615
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Speaker 1: voters showed up. So I think this is he certainly

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Speaker 1: has a shot at this. I'm I think I think

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Speaker 1: he's got an easy path to forty seven, an extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: hard path to fifty percent plus one if he somehow,

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Speaker 1: if he's if there was a libertarian candidate taking two

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Speaker 1: or three points and winning number was forty seven point

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Speaker 1: five to forty eight point five, that's how Shared Brown

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Speaker 1: wins this race. We'll see what the eventual general election

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Speaker 1: ballot looks like. But that's but I put Shared Brown

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Speaker 1: number Fourtheless, in my fifth spot, I'm having a little

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Speaker 1: fun with this. I do not necessarily believe this is

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Speaker 1: the fifth most likely person. In fact, there are a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of other formers trying to get their trying

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00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: to get their seats back here some interesting members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: or in fact, the Byron Donalds. The seat that Byron

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Speaker 1: Donalds is vacating in Florida has former New York Member

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Speaker 1: of Congress Chris Collins running in the primary, former North

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00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: Carolina Member of Congress Madison Cawthorne running in the primary,

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Speaker 1: and neither one of them are likely to actually get

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Speaker 1: close to winning that seat, which is why I didn't

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Speaker 1: put him on the list. Jerry carl is thinking about

636
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Speaker 1: running for his old seat in Alabama. We shall see there,

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Speaker 1: So you do have a few other formers out there,

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Speaker 1: but the former and also Tommy Thompson has said he's

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Speaker 1: eighty five and he said he may want to run

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Speaker 1: for a fifth term for governor. I think I mentioned

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Speaker 1: it last week, but I don't think he ends up running,

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Speaker 1: which is why I didn't have a little fun put

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Speaker 1: on the list. But the person I'm putting on the

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Speaker 1: list is Javier Suarez. My hometown of Miami, it's actually

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Speaker 1: the city of Miami Mayor. I actually never lived in

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Speaker 1: the city of Miami. I grew up in the unincorporated

647
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Speaker 1: Miami Dade County. Was what you put when you mailed

648
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: a letter to my house, It was Miami, Florida. That's

649
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Speaker 1: what was used. I was in Kendall, so we didn't

650
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Speaker 1: have to have a town or a city. There are

651
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Speaker 1: I think we're up to thirty three municipalities within Miami

652
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Speaker 1: Dade County. When I grew up, it was just Dade County.

653
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: They added to Miami for branding reasons. Frankly understandable. Right,

654
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: La County is La right, so why not? And Jamier

655
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: Suarez is not only trying to get his old seatback.

656
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: He was mayor of Miami from eighty five to ninety three,

657
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Speaker 1: and briefly for about for a two month period in

658
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Speaker 1: ninety seven, after the most corrupt mayor or election that

659
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Speaker 1: the city of Miami's ever had. I'll get to that

660
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: in a minute. But he's actually running to replace his son,

661
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: Francis Suarez, whose term limited. Of course, you remember Francisuarez

662
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: from his days as a presidential candidate briefly in twenty

663
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Speaker 1: twenty four. I suspect he is. It wouldn't be shocked

664
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Speaker 1: if he found his way into the Trump cabinet or

665
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: found his way into an ambassador's ship. He toyed with

666
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: the idea of running for governor, but he and DeSantis

667
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: have not seen eye to eye, although being anti DeSantis

668
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: hasn't been an issue in Trump world. Right. If you

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Speaker 1: told me, though, that Suarez was the running mate for

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00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: Byron Donalds would totally shock me on that front. But

671
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: he's a pretty ambitious guy, so I don't know if

672
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: Donalds would want to have would trust him as a

673
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: running mate, though. I do think having South Miami ties

674
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: might matter if the general election is indeed going to

675
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: be competitive and closed, and I think that's an open question,

676
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent convinced it will be. Look, I

677
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: think there are two Democrats that might be able to

678
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: make this a more competitive various David Jolly is certainly

679
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: a qualified candidate, the former Republican congressman now switching parties

680
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: as a Democrat. And Jerry Demmings, the mayor of Orlando

681
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: of Orange County. Excuse me the colonomy that encompasses Orlando

682
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: is thinking about running In theory, either one of them

683
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: could potentially be a strong candidate, but boy, they does

684
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: Donald have a huge, huge head start. So but what's

685
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: interesting about there's like over a dozen candidates running for

686
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Miami mayor and including a couple of people who corrupt

687
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: pasts have collided and intertwined in the past. Joe Caroyo,

688
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: who was UH and UH, Javier Suarez now Jaber Suarez,

689
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: the father of Francisoirez. Francisuirez has not endorsed his father.

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00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: He wishes him well, is what he said, but he

691
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: is not endorsed. Jabier Suirez won the most corrupt mayor's race.

692
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: When you when you've heard about voter fraud issues. Suarez

693
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Speaker 1: a Republican and this is this was all republican and

694
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: republican crime there in the city of Miami. He a

695
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: race in nineteen ninety seven. Basically by he was never

696
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: They could never say that the candidate himself knew this happened,

697
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: but they did prove that somebody on his behalf stuffed

698
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: the ballot box of absentee ballots. He basically won because

699
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: of absentee ballots, and they were clearly fraudulent to the

700
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: point of the election was overturned and he was not

701
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: allowed to serve as mayor. Joe Kroyo, who himself has

702
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: just lost a fifty plus million dollar civil suit, has

703
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: sort of avoided any official criminal indictments, but has all

704
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: sorts of ethical liabilities that have that have followed him

705
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: for years. Was the other candidate in that race back

706
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: in ninety seven. Well, Joe Kroyo is dealing is running again.

707
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: There's just all It doesn't appear any of these guys

708
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: are are going to win. But if you're looking for

709
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: a good old fashioned crazy race in Miami, that scott

710
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: a lot of corrupt tentacles sort of in it. That

711
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: is a bit of the old Miami. And you know,

712
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: it bums me out because I do think we're in general,

713
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: the city and the County of Miami have been trying

714
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: to move away from its reputation as being a bit

715
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: corrupt in different parts, in different cities. And when you

716
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: have thirty three municipalities, these small little, you know, enclaves

717
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: within the county that frankly have been abused by ambitious

718
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: officeholders who just want to do enrich themselves. But it's

719
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: it's like my friends in Chicago and in Cook County

720
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: who always were in New Orleans and in Louisiana. You're

721
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: always sort of running away from your reputation from corruption,

722
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: and every time you think you turn the corner, then

723
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: somebody essentially does it again, and only sullies the entire

724
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: reputation of the area. I imagine that there's sort of

725
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: going to be some are as fatigued. That doesn't that

726
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: also hurts Javier Suarez. But I do think the fact

727
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: that he was involved in the worst in the most

728
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: documented case of voter fraud that we ever had again

729
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: absentee ballots on the Republican side of the aisle for

730
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: those of you keeping keeping score, But he is fifth

731
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: on my list of most likely to be able to

732
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: win a comeback to an old office that they once held.

733
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Speaker 1: All right, that little trip down memory lane. I hope

734
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Speaker 1: you enjoyed that top five lists. So the top five

735
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: most like lead political comebacks. Jesse Jackson, Junior, Corey Bush,

736
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: Johnny Sinunu, Shared Brown and won Javier Suarez for the

737
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: city of Miami. Theyre all right, let's do some ass

738
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: chuck as choke, all right, let's do some ask check.

739
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: This one comes from Frank and he says, hey, check.

740
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: I always enjoy when you mentioned Seminole County or anything

741
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: around Florida. Seminole County, that's where my mother lives. He goes,

742
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: I grew up near Lake Jessup, but now live in

743
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: Louden County. There you go Virginia. So this is my

744
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: first commonwealth wide election. So I watched last week's Virginia

745
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Gooba of toial debate closely. What stood out was how

746
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: the moderators held the candidates accountable, pressing them when they

747
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: dodged questions. Is someone familiar with how presidential debates are run,

748
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: do you think that same approach could work at the

749
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: national level or are there too many rules and behind

750
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: the scenes constraints that prevent it. Thanks Frank. You know,

751
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: it's funny. I've been involved in both presidential debates, and

752
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: in fact, i've this is the first time I've not

753
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: moderated a debate in Virginia governor. I think now, going

754
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: some fifteen years, I've moderated quite a few of the

755
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: Virginia governor debates and quite a few Virginia Senate debates.

756
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: And these two candids had a hard time agreeing to

757
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: many debates. This is becoming a larger problem in general.

758
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: But for the most part, you know, the fewer people involved,

759
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: the better chance you have to do this. And if

760
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: my understanding in this debate is that there were sort

761
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: of fewer constraints, there wasn't You didn't have like multiple

762
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: media partners where you got to have a whole bunch

763
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: of people ask questions, right, That sort of takes up

764
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: potential follow up time. That's number one. But in general,

765
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: the candidates themselves don't fight like in some ways. I've

766
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: always been able to get what I've wanted out of

767
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: most of these debates and been able to make sure

768
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: I've had the ability to do follow ups pretty closely.

769
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 1: I did the Hogan also Brooks debate in twenty twenty four,

770
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Speaker 1: and a lot of the debates in the DMV I've

771
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to do, and I've enjoyed them a lot.

772
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: On the presidential level, the campaigns litigate everything beforehand, and

773
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: so you will get you know, they will try to

774
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: get in the specifics of that. The beauty of the

775
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: Presidential Commission debates, although we may not have it, is

776
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: that the Commission sort of was able to sort of

777
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: hold firmer. Right now that you're going to pit media

778
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: companies against each other in this, it's going to be

779
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: a you know, sort of a war that ends up

780
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: benefiting the candidates, and it takes takes out the ability

781
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: of the moderator to be anything more than a mannequin

782
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: which is which is my concern. But look, I watched

783
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: bits and pizza of that debate as well, and I

784
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: think the moderators did their best. It's never helpful when

785
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: when one of the candidates just has no intention of

786
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: abiding by the rules. Uh and it's it really sucks

787
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: when that happens, because you, as the moderator, become the

788
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: schoolmar and the time cop and the pleas and the this,

789
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: and you want to be polite, you know, I always

790
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people are watching, and you know,

791
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: as a moderator, I've always viewed it more as an

792
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: umpire rule, which is I never wanted my name mentioned

793
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: until paragraph five or six, if you're if you're in

794
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: paragraph one. I feel that way. Feel the way about

795
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: debate moderating the way I feel about UH NBA refereeing,

796
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: NFL refereeing, baseball umpiring. If I know the name of

797
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: the referee or the umpire, then you are way too

798
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: involved in the in the game, right. You know, it's

799
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: not good that I know who that one of the

800
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: most important NBA refs out there is a guy named

801
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: Scott Foster. I don't you know? That's bad? Right? That

802
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: means there's been a lot of analysis about how Scott

803
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: Foster covered UH does games. So it is, it is,

804
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: it is. I don't think that should be. You know,

805
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: it's the candidate's debating, not the moderator involved in the debate. Right,

806
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: In some ways they're trying to uh, they're trying to

807
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: surface information and surface a conversation. Look, I think they

808
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: but you know, ultimately a debate only works if the

809
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: candidates accept the premise. And I think the difficulty that

810
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: my friends had in that Virginia debates, he had one

811
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: of the candidates that simply wanted to just not not allowed,

812
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: was trying to rattle the other candidate. I understood her strategy.

813
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: This is winsterm Earl series. I understood her strategy, and

814
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: trying to rattle's what you do when you're behind. I mean,

815
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: I don't, I sort of I get the strategy. I don't.

816
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to condemn it, but it made the

817
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: moderator's job that much harder. All right. Next question comes

818
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: from anonymous. Hey, there, I endow your take on the

819
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: events these days. Thank you. I have a major issue

820
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: with the Hatch Act violation by posting political and partisan

821
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: notices on a federal site. How about even how about

822
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: Christy no trying to post video messages at airports? Anyway,

823
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: what are the legal repercussions when leaders sanctioned these postings?

824
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: The OSC complaint site seems to have been taken off line.

825
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: So what recourse do we have as citizens? Well, let

826
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Speaker 1: me do a little check. What happened to Kelly Conway

827
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: when she violated the Hatch Act. I believe she got

828
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: I believe they that the OSC found that she repeatedly

829
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: violated the Hatch Act, but there was no punishment. The

830
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: Office of the Special Counsel recommended her removal from federal service.

831
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: But then once she left government, it's not like you

832
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: could discipline her, and they and the White House didn't

833
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: accept the premise it this is one of these things

834
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Speaker 1: The Hatch Act is norms. The Hatch Act really isn't

835
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: very well enforced, right. It is one of those that

836
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: the it's like and it's it's almost held over the

837
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: heads of people more like impeachment. You hope that the

838
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: shame of violating it, like, hey, you know, we actually

839
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: have this law that says you can't play you can't

840
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: practice politics while serving use your federal office for to

841
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: advance your political agenda blatantly right, And look, it's a

842
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: this is somewhat subjective, but we had sort of this

843
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: third party, the Office of Special Council. Her violation, you know,

844
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: was just simply talking about politics, and she was in

845
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: an I have a tad more empathy for advisors in

846
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: the West Wing on the Hatch Act than I do

847
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: for cabinet secretaries. Like to me, there's no gray area

848
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: at all. You can you can make some gray area

849
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: arguments around West Wing advisors who are constantly sort of

850
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: in their their political appointees, and their only political appointees.

851
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: They're not a percent of confirmation, you kind of know

852
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: their political appointee. They're there to defend the politics of

853
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: the administration. Anyway, I do think it's a it's it's

854
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: it's a bit more gray area than than than maybe

855
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Speaker 1: some of her political opponents want to admit. But the

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Speaker 1: point is is that there's there's there's only teeth if

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Speaker 1: if the administration accepts the premise, so christin no blatant

858
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Speaker 1: violation of the Hatch Act, you think this White House

859
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Speaker 1: is going to accept the premise that she should be

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Speaker 1: somehow garnished pay removed from office, you know whatever. No,

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Speaker 1: this gets to my larger point. Right, these were hatch

862
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: ACKed is a bit more. It was a bit more.

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00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: It's almost like it's there so that we in the

864
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Speaker 1: media can say, hey, so and so violated the Hatch Act.

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Speaker 1: You voters decide whether you care. Right it should embarrass presidents,

866
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: but this president has politicized everything. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: one of my one of my concerns about what's happening

868
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Speaker 1: with governing in America is that that the idea that

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Speaker 1: you only govern for your supporters and you only punish

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Speaker 1: those on the on the other side of you politically.

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00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean this idea that they're not laying If you

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Speaker 1: really want to just shrink government, you lay off across

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00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: the board. Laying off across the board. They're targeting the

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Speaker 1: quote democratic agencies and they're leaving the quote republican agencies alone.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know we had democratic agentencies or republican agencies,

876
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: but apparently Russell Voyd thinks we have democratic agencies. So

877
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Speaker 1: this is this is a larger problem. The Hatch HAC

878
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: doesn't work, so we probably need to come up with

879
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: something else that has a bit more teeth and is

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00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: a bit more a bit faster if we want to

881
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Speaker 1: take this type of if we really want to take

882
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: away this polarization. I mean, this gets back to good

883
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: people with bad incentives will do bad things. The Hatch

884
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: Act is something that was intended to service a potential

885
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: piano over your head type of mindset as a as

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Speaker 1: a political actor, that there would be embarrassment if you

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Speaker 1: violated the Hatch Act. This administration is never embarrassed when

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Speaker 1: they politicize things. So I think that's the definition of

889
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: yet another norm if you will or law that. Uh,

890
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: it's good intention, but it doesn't work. So we need

891
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: to revisit it. Perhaps perhaps we need I don't want

892
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: to put so many things, and you know, I don't

893
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Speaker 1: think we need I've advocated for a handful of constitutional amendments.

894
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't the idea that we'd have to make this

895
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: a constitutional amendment seems ridiculous. We probably need real teeth there.

896
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it's huge fines you know that are that are

897
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, either resign or fine type of type of thing.

898
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Speaker 1: But we need something better than what we have, that's

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Speaker 1: for sure. All right. Next question comes from Mary W.

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Speaker 1: Greetings again from Ruby Red, rural Ohio. All Right, so

901
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Speaker 1: this is not a first time, calling this a second time.

902
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: I just wanted to give you a big thank you

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Speaker 1: for your interview with Paul Glasters. As a working class

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Speaker 1: rural Ohio and I have two daughters, thirteen and eleven,

905
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Speaker 1: my husband and I have been worried about affording college

906
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Speaker 1: if our daughters choose to go. I had a huge

907
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Speaker 1: loan that I could never make any headway on which

908
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: I had forget, which I had forgiven by the Biden

909
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: program for over forty thousand dollars. I left school nineteen

910
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: ninety nine and my education was basically worthless in the

911
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: real world. I don't want that to happen to my

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Speaker 1: own kids. I really enjoyed your interview, and when he

913
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Speaker 1: said Berea College was often tuition free and was in Kentucky,

914
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: I googled it immediately. It's only four hours from our house,

915
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Speaker 1: and we'll be on the top of the list if

916
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: our daughters choose college over trade school. Thank you so

917
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: much for that informative interview and all your insights on

918
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: the craziness in the world. Mary w I have to

919
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: tell you I've gotten a lot of I've gotten some

920
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: terrific feedback on Paul's interview. Paul, if your ears are

921
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: birdy good, it's that that just only reinforces what I

922
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: hope to make this podcast about, which is to give

923
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: you more information, give you more expose more good ideas

924
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: that are out there. I've said that one of the

925
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: things I want to do is, look, I'm going to

926
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Speaker 1: be on the news at the top of these things,

927
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: but I want to. I want to. You know, I

928
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: believe in more light than heat, and podcasts should provide

929
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: more light than heat. What do I mean by that

930
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: that you're trying to provide more information, new information, not

931
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: necessarily make people feel good with your takedowns and your

932
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: trolls and your memes and all that business. I know

933
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: that's how you light up the Twitter sphere, and that's

934
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: how you light up your YouTube or your TikTok and

935
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: oh look, I've got all these likes. But are you

936
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: actually making people's lives better? Are you giving them better

937
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: tools to live a better life. Most of these political

938
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: podcast are just griffs. Sadly, these are partisan hacks who

939
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: some of them don't believe half of what they're preaching.

940
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: This is left and right. I'm not going to sit

941
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: here and name names, They know who they are, and

942
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: they're just exploiting an incentive structure that rewards that behavior. Unfortunately.

943
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, this warms my heart. And like I said,

944
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of direct feedback about this one too,

945
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Speaker 1: because the cost of tuition is too damn high so

946
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Speaker 1: many of the so called great schools, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: All right. Last question, this one comes from Duncan from Arizona.

948
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: He says, it's given the AI and robotics are set

949
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: to take a big chunk out of the job market.

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Speaker 1: What is the likelihood of a universal basic income in

951
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: the United States. I think you're going to see this

952
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: experiment expand outside of what we've seen so far. I

953
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: think it was Stockton, California, has tried this UBI approach.

954
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: I think there's a few other municipalities of toyed with

955
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: it universal basic income UBI. Andrew Yang's presidential campaign talked

956
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Speaker 1: about it. You know what social security? One could argue,

957
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: we're already doing it for a big chunk of the population, right.

958
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: Disability and social security are a form of essentially income

959
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: replacement because you can't work or you're too old to work,

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: So we're sort of I would argue we kind of

961
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Speaker 1: have a system in place. You know, we're going to

962
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Speaker 1: go through quite a few changes. I know that the

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Speaker 1: prediction of the three day, four day work week has

964
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: been out there for a long time, but I think

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Speaker 1: that's more real than ever now. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: people aren't going to have multiple The question is what

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Speaker 1: is going to be What will full time work be

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Speaker 1: defined by? Will full time work be defined by three

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Speaker 1: days a week of working minimum? And what does that

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Speaker 1: look like? Right, it's possible that that's what's classified as that.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you won't see people, you know, sort

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Speaker 1: of do what I think arguably firefighters. I grew up

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Speaker 1: with a couple of people who were firefighters who also

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Speaker 1: had side hustles. You know, they because it was like

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Speaker 1: you were twenty four hours on, forty eight hours off,

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours on, forty eight hours off. It's a

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Speaker 1: you know, where they do a side hustle of some sort.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it would be a small bit business, maybe it'd

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Speaker 1: be deliveries. Maybe there's real estate. You know, there's all

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01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: sorts of Some teachers have you know, acquired second jobs

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Speaker 1: in the summers, even if as they're paid full time,

982
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Speaker 1: but it's it's it's that. So it's not as if

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Speaker 1: I don't think people are going to only work three

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Speaker 1: days a week. But what is going to be the

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Speaker 1: definition of full time work? I think is certainly going

986
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: to be an open question going forward. And I think

987
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: we're going to need you know it is I am.

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01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm a bit skeptical. I think the idea of income

989
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: replacement when needed is going to continue to be something

990
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: that is a benefit. But I I'm not sure the

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01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: human species is going to be comfortable just being paid

992
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: not to work, and I know some of the others

993
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: I'd love to be paid not to work. Would you

994
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: would you have a fulfilling life? Would you be literally

995
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Speaker 1: pick up something else and find a way to make

996
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: money because you were kind of bored in different ways?

997
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: So I do think you're going to see in in

998
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, some form of this. I believe fear of

999
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: AI job displacement is going to be a crucial issue

1000
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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty eight presidential election cycle. And if

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01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: you aren't, if you're thinking about running for president, you

1002
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: better have a real plan. You know, are you going

1003
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Speaker 1: to be a champion of you BiH? Is that going

1004
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: to be part of your thing? Is there a job

1005
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: retraining is there that you know? What? What is? What?

1006
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: What is your hope if you're hoping to collect dollars

1007
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: from the AI companies? And what are you going to

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01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: use with that money? If it is indeed, indeed, is

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Speaker 1: it intended simply for income replacement or is it going

1010
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: to be for job retraining? But a very simple question

1011
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: open the door to what I think could be a

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Speaker 1: very uh what to obviously a very long answer there.

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Speaker 1: But I do think that this is that this will

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01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: the fear of AI job displacement is going to be

1015
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: a really animating issue. And you know, by the way,

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01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: in a sort of separate scenario, at this same trade

1017
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: conference that I was participating in here in the digital

1018
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: ad community, and this seed was planted by a good

1019
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: friend of mine recently, and I think he's right, which is,

1020
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Speaker 1: if we don't believe anything we see anymore on the internet, right,

1021
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: and with these AI visual tools, you know, I'm sorry,

1022
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Speaker 1: I look at stuff where I'm following on social media

1023
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Speaker 1: and someone will say, hey, that's obvious AI slop, And

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Speaker 1: I use my old fifty three year old eyes, I squint.

1025
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Speaker 1: Is it obvious? What am I missing? Right? I think

1026
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: that it's going to be a lot easier to just

1027
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: assume everything is. There's going to be almost an assumption

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Speaker 1: that everything you see on the Internet is AI enhanced

1029
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: or created. So what does that mean. It's going to

1030
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: put a premium on face to face, It's going to

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01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: put a premium on live in person maybe to a

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Speaker 1: lesser extent live streams, but even that could get aied, right.

1033
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Speaker 1: I know of another person who is trying to clone

1034
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: themselves to do more survey research, qualitative survey research. Obviously

1035
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Speaker 1: you you you know where an AI version of said

1036
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: person can start doing Q and as that that that

1037
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: is I see the upside of doing collecting data that way.

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01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: Call me, call me skeptical that that actual human beings

1039
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: will feel comfortable doing that. So, but it is interesting,

1040
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: I am. I do think we're going to see some

1041
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: interesting unintended consequences in this race to the AI affication

1042
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: of the Internet, and politically, a have job displacement, those issues,

1043
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: that's definitely going to be in the forefront. But it's

1044
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: going to make human interaction a premium. I have, for instance,

1045
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: I think customer service. If you want a human being,

1046
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: you may have to pay extra for it, and I

1047
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: have a feeling people will pay extra for it, but

1048
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Speaker 1: human beings. Dealing with a human being will be seen

1049
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: as a much better experience than dealing with a computer

1050
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: you cannot sort of reason with, even if you think

1051
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Speaker 1: you're reasoning with, said robot. All right, on that uplifting

1052
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Speaker 1: dystopian notes, go rewatch Gataka right now, I tease with that,

1053
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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a twenty four hour break, but

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Speaker 1: I will see you in twenty four hours until we

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Speaker 1: upload again.