1 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody? 2 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guilty of Charge Podcast, presented by the 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 2: Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen and I am 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: your host as always. In joining me today is my 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: guy Tyler. Tyler, what's up man? How you doing today? 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm excited. 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 3: We made it to training camp, we survived the summer. 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 3: We're here and joining us as a fantastic guest for 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: the fantastic series. 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: Yes, as you see on your screen here mister Eric 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Smith for the first time on the Guiltiest Charge Podcast. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: So Eric, thanks for taking the time to join us tonight. 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: Man. How you doing today? 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, I appreciate you guys having 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 4: me on. Big fan of work, big fan of the show. 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 4: And yeah, camp is here, so let's get to it. 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I can't wait to dive into all of that. 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: I'm super excited to get to Eric's series that he's 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: been writing for the last few months with the conversations 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: with the Chargers assistant coaches. Got some really fun nuggets 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: throughout the whole summer from that series, so we're gonna 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: get some of his thoughts there and then yeah, some 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: thoughts about training camp, which we are two days away. 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: The Chargers are We're going to be reporting tomorrow, the 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: day that you guys will be watching this or listening 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: to this, So I cannot be more excited for that. 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: As always, Tyler and I are fans of the team 28 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: just like you guys are. The opinions that we express 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: on the show are not always reflected of the opinions 30 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: of the organization. This is, you know, an independent content 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: creation project, and so we're happy to be on this channel, 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: very appreciative of the platform that we have been given 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: and we're gonna share some good opinions today with mister 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: Eric Smith. So appreciate that. And Eric, let's dive into 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: this series. I think before we get to some of 36 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: the specifics you know of each coach or some things 37 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,639 Speaker 2: that's it out, what kind of went into this series, 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: because I think this is something that we haven't really seen. 39 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: You know, generally speaking, we don't hear a lot from 40 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: you know, the quality control coach or the passing game 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: coordinator from each specific team. So walk us through the 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: genesis of this series. What kind of went into the 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: thought process of planning it and your idea for the 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: creation of this series. 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 4: What funny you say your idea. I can't take full 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: credit for it. It was kind of a joint idea 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: between myself and then two of our PR guys, Brock 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 4: Anderson and Danny Markino. We were just kind of I 49 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 4: think it was like February or so, we just kind 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: of kicking around stuff we could do this off season, 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: and I think we had just hired Kellen, and I 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 4: would like, you know, obviously we all want to learn 53 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 4: more about Kellen, but obviously Doug nuth Meyer and you know, 54 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: a couple other new coaches, and I think it was 55 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 4: Brock who said, why don't you just like sit down 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: with each of them and do the conversation with Series 57 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 4: to kind of get to know him a little bit better. 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: So it was kind of a we all just kind 59 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 4: of spitballed a little bit, and that's how the idea 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 4: came about, you know, And for me personally, I feel 61 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: like I really needed to do this because one, like 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: you said, those guys you don't really hear from them, right, 63 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: So like Pat White, who everyone knows from being like 64 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 4: a college football legend. Everyone knows Pat White, but like, yeah, 65 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: no one's heard from him in years, right, because he's 66 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: just been grinding away, So it's like, how can we 67 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 4: get more pub for really all the coaches, And that's 68 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 4: whether you're Pat White, like a quality quality control or 69 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 4: you're Chris Baty, right who's been around longtime coach, you know, 70 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: he's just trying to get all these coaches more pub 71 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 4: you know. And the front office signed off on it. 72 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 4: It was like great, like full support from them. And 73 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 4: then for me, it was just good just to sit 74 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 4: down with them because like I've been here about a 75 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: little bit over a year now and just always trying 76 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 4: to like build those relationships, you know, and try to 77 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 4: get to know them better as. 78 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: Coaches that people. 79 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: You know, and it doesn't really like it's a good theories, 80 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 4: but it was good just to like talk to them 81 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 4: more than just like saying hey in the hallway for 82 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 4: five seconds. Yeah, it turned out really well. Got a 83 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: lot of great feedback. So yeah, overall, just very happy 84 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 4: with it. 85 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you did a phenomenal job, and we can just 86 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: tell how much work went into it and how much 87 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: prep went into it. 88 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: How did you go about. 89 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: Preparing for these interviews because there's so much to have 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: to dive into and it goes beyond a Wikipedia page. 91 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: You knew their. 92 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: Nicknames, you knew about their families, or you asked about 93 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 3: their families. You know about their playing careers, whether it 94 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: was in college or the NFL or whatever. How much 95 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: prep went into all this And how'd you go about 96 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: preparing for each of these coaches? 97 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, good amount for sure, because for some of these guys, right, 98 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: it was the first time I had really sat down 99 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: and talked to them, more so than even just like 100 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 4: saying hey, because like they're busy and all that. So yeah, 101 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: I wanted to make sure I didn't come in like 102 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 4: looking like an idiot, you know, and like not having good, 103 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 4: good questions. 104 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: Right. 105 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: So yeah, like the first thing I did was was 106 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 4: gim the Wikipedia page just to get like baseline info. 107 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 4: But then you just like spend an hour or two 108 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 4: just kind of researching these guys what you can find 109 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: on them. You know, You're right about like the kids 110 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: and stuff, like I I didn't really. I think almost 111 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 4: every coach on staff has kids, not not not all 112 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 4: of them, but a lot of them do. And you know, 113 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 4: I have like a fourteen month old daughter, and like 114 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 4: that's just an easy starting point, you know, to be like, well, 115 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 4: let's talk about being a dad, you know, and like 116 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: the ups and downs with that and how much we 117 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 4: love it and the tough parts about it and all that. 118 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: And from there, Yeah, it's like okay. 119 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: Some guys were more off the field focused, So like 120 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: with Giff Smith, who was the first one I did, 121 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: Like he coached Roman Reigns in college, right, so it's like, 122 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 4: well that great, let's talk about that. For some guys 123 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 4: like Doug for today, like Doug Nosmeier, I really wanted 124 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: to get into like Herbert obviously and like on field 125 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 4: and stuff. So it just kind of varied by coach 126 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 4: what we what we spent more time on. And some 127 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 4: coaches don't say a lot, even though they're great. Some 128 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 4: coaches were six minutes and some coaches were twenty seven minutes, 129 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 4: so like it's however long they want to talk for. 130 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 4: Like I said, a lot of them don't get to 131 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 4: talk to the media that much at all. So there 132 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 4: was one coach we talked for almost like thirty five minutes, 133 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 4: and you could tell he was just loving it because 134 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 4: he doesn't get that attention, you know. 135 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: So it was good. Yeah, it was just good all 136 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: the way around. Yeah. 137 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: Shout out to Sean Surat for I think the coolest 138 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: nickname that got revealed in this series, you know, there's yeah, 139 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: there's a lot of fun stuff in there, like I mentioned, 140 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: you know, and I think my favorite part of it 141 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: is like, yes, obviously there's some great stuff on justin 142 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: Herbert and and you know, I'm a big offensive line guy. 143 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: So like the interview with Brendan Nujen was cool, but 144 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: I think I really enjoyed how much more personal, like 145 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: you feel like you really got to know these coaches, because, 146 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: like you there's just such a robotic nature too coaching 147 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: in the NFL. But then you read a series like 148 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: this and you read about, you know, how you know 149 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: Sean Serratz from West Virginia and how the transition has 150 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: been for him to California, and you like you mentioned 151 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: the kids aspect of things, or working with Trevor Lawrence 152 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: for Chandler Whitmer for example. So I think there's a 153 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: lot of great nuggets and we'll get into them. But 154 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed just like how personable, you know, it 155 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: made it seem all the coaches come off. 156 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think a big part of that too 157 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 4: was kind of the whole idea of getting him during 158 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: the offething right because like, yeah, you could tell today, 159 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 4: like at Hogue, like there's just a different energy in 160 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: the building because Camp is here and so they're in 161 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 4: meeting and like, you know, I was able to get 162 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 4: to Doug with my final one. I got him today 163 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 4: for like fifteen minutes and he was great. But even 164 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: kind of trying to pin him down for that, it 165 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: was tough because he's got meetings and you could tell 166 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: he like flipped in a football mode like all the 167 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 4: coaches did, so getting him, like you know, May June 168 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 4: Oga's are a little bit more laid back, it just 169 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: worked out, you know, and like I thought, Okay, am 170 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: I going to do it next year like I'd like to, 171 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 4: but maybe like a different format. 172 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. But for the first year, it was 173 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: really really good. 174 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's get into the answers now that you 175 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: got from these coaches. Was there an answer from a 176 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: coach that really stood out to you, one that you know, 177 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: maybe you were dying to share as soon as you 178 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 3: heard it, And then what was it for me? I 179 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: loved the answer from Chris Gold about Ryan Ficken. Ryan 180 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: Ficken just noticed him during joint practices between the Broncos 181 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: and the Vikings, and he just kept tabs on him. 182 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: As soon as the opening was there, he calls up 183 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: Chris Gold and says, hey, would you like to join 184 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: my staff? And lo and behold the Chargers have you know, 185 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: one of the most improved special teams units in the league, 186 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: one of the best in the league. Three Special Teams 187 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: Players of the Week, such a great unit. So I 188 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: love that answer from him. 189 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And what's funny is I was actually at those 190 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 4: joint practices too, right, because I used to work for 191 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 4: the Vikings. 192 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, when when when when Beeper? 193 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: When when Beep was talking about it, you know, we 194 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 4: were laughing because I was like, I'm sure I passed 195 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 4: you in the hallway or something. 196 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Honestly, for me, I was really. 197 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 4: Excited to talk to Pat White just because, like, I'm 198 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 4: sure we're probably all around the same age, like we 199 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 4: all grew up playing NCAA football, right, and like Pat 200 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 4: White was like the guy to play with. And also, 201 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 4: like I said earlier, he got here about a year ago, 202 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 4: and like nobody heard from him, like and you know, 203 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 4: and I asked him about like West Virginia and like 204 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: all that stuff. But like I wanted to know what, 205 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 4: like are you doing like, for lack of a better phrase, 206 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 4: like what what are you doing here? You know, like 207 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 4: tell me what you're working on? And like are you 208 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: are you working with the quarterback and not really he's 209 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: working with the wide receiver and Chris Baty, but he's 210 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 4: loving it. He's loving it, you know, and like he said, 211 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 4: you know that he you got to know the story. 212 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 4: Drafted the second round by Miami and like created and 213 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 4: work out. He's like, I didn't want anything to do 214 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 4: with football, but it just kind of pulled me back. 215 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 4: And he's loving it now, which which is great to 216 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 4: see because he's a good. 217 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: Coach, like a good person. 218 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: He's got a couple of kids, so and I think 219 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 4: he just had his fourth kid like a week or 220 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 4: two ago. 221 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, that was good. Let's see. 222 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 4: Tom Arth was really good to talk to because again, 223 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 4: been here a year, no one knows. 224 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: What he does, like really really that much. 225 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: And he just has like such an interesting backstory being 226 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: Peyton Manning's back up. He played in NFL Europe when 227 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 4: that was still around, so he was staying he like 228 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 4: with golfing like Saint Andrews and all this all that's 229 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 4: like really cool stuff that like none of us have done, 230 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: you know. And then defensively, I really liked talking with 231 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 4: Jeff Howard, which is ironic because I actually know Jeff 232 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: right from our time together in Minnesota. But similar to why, 233 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 4: like the basis of this whole conversation, he never did 234 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: any media right and like I never talked to him 235 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 4: or interviewed him or anything, and like we say hey, 236 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: and like I knew him, and when he got here, 237 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: I was excited to see him. 238 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: But just like learning his. 239 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 4: Story, like he coached Odessa, which like the famous high 240 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 4: school down in Texas, and just like his thoughts on 241 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 4: linebacker and Kendricks and Murray and like all the guys, 242 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 4: like it was just really good. So those are a 243 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 4: few that stand out, but like, really I'm thankful to 244 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 4: all of them because all the coaches I learned, I 245 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 4: learned like at least one thing. 246 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: From Yeah, absolutely, And you can really see that come through. 247 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: You mentioned Chris Baty. Obviously, Daniel Popper did just did 248 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: a great story on him as well. One of the 249 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: things that really stood out to me with Chris was 250 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: his answer, particularly about mister Joshua Palmer, and you know, 251 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: there's a lot of buzz about Quentin Johnston. I'm wearing 252 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: a shirt today inadvertently. You know, I feel like people 253 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,599 Speaker 2: are kind of forgetting about mister Joshua Palmer. So what 254 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: was what kind of stood out to you from talking 255 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: to Chris and I guess kind of pivoting a little 256 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: bit here towards his training camp. What's what are your 257 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: expectations for Joshua Palmer this year? 258 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris was great just overall. I mean, his like 259 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 4: his family lived in Maryland, so he commutes from LA 260 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 4: to Maryland quite a bit, which is just nuts. Yeah, 261 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 4: he was great on everything. Like I used a good 262 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 4: part of what he said about Quentin and like that 263 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: long form I did a couple of months ago. But 264 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: in terms of josh like I really wanted to know 265 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 4: what he thought about him, because like he just underrated, right, 266 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 4: and like not a lot of people talk about him, 267 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 4: and then you draft the first round receiver and it's like, Okay, where's. 268 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: This guy kind of fit in? 269 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 4: But the quote he said, he's like, you know, josh 270 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 4: had to be Keenan for us, and he had to 271 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 4: be Mike when those guys weren't in the lineup, and 272 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: what he didn't mean it, Like Josh Palmer is trying 273 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 4: to be Keenan Allen, like the player he's playing the 274 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: position that Keenan would play on that particular play or. 275 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: The same vote for Mike. 276 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: You know, he caught like seventy passes, Like I think 277 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: back that Atlanta game. He would really clutch in that 278 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 4: Atlanta game and getting that last second when you know 279 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 4: where does he play out? 280 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: You know it's it's it's going to be. 281 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: A battle, right, Like you can't sit here and say 282 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 4: they're not a battle for wide receiver three. But I 283 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 4: think if we've learned anything from the team or just 284 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: like around the NFL, you're gonna need more than three 285 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 4: receivers all all year long, right to like to have 286 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 4: a successful offense. Right, So for everyone who wants to 287 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 4: like Annoy Quinton is the number three receiver right now, 288 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 4: that's fine. You know he's the first round pick and 289 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 4: all that, but you're gonna need a lot of receivers 290 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 4: at some point. It's just like you know, corner you're 291 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 4: gonna need cornerback depth and if guys get nicked up 292 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 4: at some point, then you're gonna need Josh Palmer to 293 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 4: play eighty eighty five snaps a game at some point, 294 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 4: so like it's just the good like healthy competition, And 295 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 4: that's the way I look at it more than like 296 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: who's gonna win like a starting spot. I look at 297 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 4: it like how good is like the group gonna be 298 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 4: and like it has high potential for sure, like they 299 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 4: can be one of the best rooms in the league, 300 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 4: but they all have to contribute to that. You know, 301 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: if we focus on like, oh, well, Quintin Johnson is 302 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 4: getting more playing time than this, Well that may be 303 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: good for Quintin in its long term development, but is 304 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 4: it like to me, like, let's have all four guys 305 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: shine this year and help Justin Herbert as much. 306 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: As we can. 307 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really curious what they do with the room 308 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 3: overall because they've been carrying five wide receivers. Last year 309 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: they switch from five d tackles to carrying six, and 310 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: it seems like this year they're going to carry six 311 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: wide receivers. And really, Chris Baty like the answers he 312 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: gave about Jail and Guidan when he got to him, 313 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: it wasn't just like, well he's just kind of fast 314 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: and you know, we missed him, but it was like, No, 315 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: he's an integral part of this and we really needed 316 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: him out there, and if he's healthy, we're gonna need 317 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: him out there this year. So I'm really curious what 318 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: they do with the room overall. Another quote I like 319 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: to ask about is from Jeff Howard who said, we're 320 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: talking about Eric Hendricks. Eric Hendricks to me, really embodies 321 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: the energy and focus. What strikes me about Eric is 322 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: he is a football player. He's not a celebrity first, 323 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: He's a football player. What did you make of that 324 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: quote and what that means? 325 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I agree with it, like wholeheartedly. And 326 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 4: that's because I also, like, like Jeff, have a previous 327 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 4: relationship with with Kendricks and like know him probably better 328 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 4: than most people who follow the Chargers due or cover 329 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 4: the Chargers. I was fired up when I thought that 330 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 4: we were going to sign him, Like you're gonna ask 331 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 4: my wife, I was like fired, like fired up in 332 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 4: our living room. What that quote means, I think is 333 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 4: like he he just makes plays, like he's always kind 334 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 4: of been an underrated guy, even though he was the 335 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: second round pick from a notable school at UCLA and 336 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: like won the Bukets Award, like people knew who he 337 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 4: was and it wasn't like he was like an undrafted guy. 338 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 4: But he's always felt like he was underrated, mostly because 339 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 4: of like his his upbringing. I think, like he grew 340 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 4: up in Fresno. You know, he's like a single parent household. 341 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Like he really had to like grind to get to 342 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: u c. L A. 343 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 4: And you know, once he got to UCLA, he still 344 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 4: he worked hard and like became the player he was 345 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 4: and then like thrived in Minnesota. But he's still like 346 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 4: he still talk to him, he still had that chip 347 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: on his shoulder. And probably now because he comes to 348 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 4: the Chargers and what's the question everyone's asking now, Oh, 349 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: is he still a good player? You know, like how 350 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 4: much does he have left in the tank? And like 351 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: I get where that's coming from. You know, in my 352 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 4: view of him is probably like Keewed a little bit right, 353 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 4: because like he's just such a good, a good player, 354 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 4: and like I know him, like personally, I think he 355 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 4: had plenty of thats in the tank. And like even 356 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: if he's not where he was back in like twenty 357 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 4: seventeen to twenty nineteen when he was like an all 358 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: pro and the Vikings had like the number one defense 359 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: in the league. Even if he's not like ten out 360 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 4: of ten, if he's just like eight or nine out 361 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: of ten, he's still a damn good player and he's 362 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 4: going to help the defense. So yeah, I'm like fired 363 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 4: up to do here. I know Jeff is fired up 364 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 4: to do here. When we hired Jeff, we talked about 365 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 4: it a little bit. Yeah, I mean just definitely like good, 366 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 4: good vibes all around. 367 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: With with the k love it. 368 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he K just recently voted into the top 369 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: one hundred again tonight as well, so he gratulations there. 370 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, ninety three. 371 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: So one of the other things you mentioned Gifts Smith 372 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: and his background with Roman Reigns. We talked about this 373 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: when the story came out on our show about his 374 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: quotes about two Lee twoek below too, and that was 375 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: kind of a pick that really went under the radar 376 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: on Draft weekend. And I really liked this. The follow 377 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: up question about him being a project player and he 378 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: he said no. But then you jump into the quote 379 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: before and you talk about kind of like the character 380 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: or Gift talks about the character of Tula and he says, 381 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 2: I just think to be able to go into this 382 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 2: room be a sponge absorb Joey and Khalil and all 383 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 2: the guy's knowledge. I think you can do a lot 384 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: of things that we want to do with the position, 385 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: especially on third down like we did last year. Great family, 386 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: great kid, and really really good football player. So what 387 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 2: did you make of the way Gifts spoke about tu 388 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: Lee and the potential that he has to make an 389 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: impact as a rookie. 390 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could tell. 391 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: Like the Gift, like I said, was the first coach 392 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 4: that I talked to, and this is I think like 393 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 4: the first week of May. 394 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: It would feel like forever ago. 395 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 4: He was very very high on him, and like maybe 396 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: it was like the post draft glow, right because like 397 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 4: he had just got drafted like a week or so before, 398 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 4: like OTAs hadn't even started yet, but he was just 399 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: so high on him. And I think it's because like 400 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 4: he just has a lot of potential and he's coming 401 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 4: into a good spot. I think that's what it kind 402 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 4: of similar to Quinton a little bit, like he's not 403 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: going to be coming in here and asked to play 404 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 4: you know, ninety percent of the snaps at edge and 405 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 4: be you know, called upon to try to be like 406 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 4: a Pro Bowl player. That's not what the charges are 407 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 4: going to ask of him, which is fine. You know, 408 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 4: sometimes I think people look at like players drafted in 409 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 4: the first and second round and just assume they need 410 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: to make like an immediate impact like Rashaun Schlater, and 411 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 4: like not every player is going to do that. Everyone 412 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 4: kind of goes at their own pace and has their 413 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 4: own story. 414 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: So with two, we like she just coming like literally. 415 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 4: What Gift said, come in on third down, help rush 416 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 4: the passer if it's a rundown, and like you need 417 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 4: him to move inside because he had that flexibility. Maybe 418 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 4: he kind of shows something there in camp all this 419 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: kind of had to play out. We didn't see any run. 420 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 4: It's so tough to evaluate the run in OTA because 421 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 4: then they're not even doing anything. Yeah, I think he 422 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: can be like a good role, Like he can he 423 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 4: can have like that third like Ed Rusher role and 424 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 4: just learn from Khalil and Joey and just and just 425 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: kind of just go at your own pay through the rookie. 426 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 4: You know that didn't mean like sit on the sideline 427 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: and do nothing, like you don't need to contribute. But again, 428 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 4: you're not asked to be like the guy. And I 429 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 4: think that's a good spot for him to be in. 430 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great spot learning from two grades. And 431 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: Chris Rum will obviously work in as well. He's improved, 432 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 3: he's going to improve have a role. I do want 433 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: to ask about Brandon Staley next and this coaching network 434 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: that he's built, because from the beginning it seems like 435 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: Brandon Staley has really added coaches from different backgrounds, different levels, 436 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 3: years of experience, et cetera. But it really feels like 437 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 3: this year he's focused on maybe like checks and balances 438 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: and really vertical alignment. So they add Phil SEARCHI had 439 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: to help the offensive line, which already has Sean saraht, 440 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 3: Brandon Nugent, John Timu, who they promoted. He says, you know, 441 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: he told you he offers had no offense to Jay Rodgers, right, 442 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: a younger and former player perspective that Jay Rodgers doesn't 443 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: really have. You know, Kellen Moore has Doug nuss Meyer, 444 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: wh just interviewed. They add Robert muss Champ, et cetera. 445 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: So Sarah talked about how Staley references lesson planning, which 446 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: is you know, with his teaching background. Of course Sarah 447 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: has a background obviously, and then Staley with his background 448 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: and his family's background. So how do you think having 449 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: this network of educators helps the Chargers improve this year? 450 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point that I should have mentioned 451 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 4: that off the top of what like kind of stood 452 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: out overall, teaching is like feel like it's almost like 453 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 4: the backbone of this coaching staff. Almost all of the 454 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 4: guys I talked to said like even if they weren't 455 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 4: a teacher, they feel like they're teachers now in a way. 456 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 4: And you know, like Derek Foster was like, I'm like 457 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 4: the teacher in the classroom, and like it starts with me. 458 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: He has to set that example right of like what 459 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 4: the root with the vibe of the roommates and all that. 460 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: And nearly every coach I talked to kind of had 461 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 4: that same mentality, like before we even like get on 462 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 4: the field, I need to cheat him like what we're 463 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 4: doing in the classroom. And that's especially prevalent right now, 464 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: like on offense because it's a new offense. But then 465 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 4: you look at it and like Jeff Howard was a 466 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: chemistry teacher at Odessa, Like I didn't know that, and 467 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 4: that's just like really like fascinating stuff, you know, And 468 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 4: I think, uh, one thing that stood out for my 469 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 4: talk with Doug today is like he said that the 470 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 4: coaching staff to him feels young because he's one of 471 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 4: the older coaches now and not only are they like 472 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: focused on teaching, but like just bringing new ideas and 473 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 4: having a bunch of like youth and energy. And Doug 474 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 4: said it really well, He's like, I've been around the 475 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 4: game a long time. I'm like paraphrasing, He's like, I've 476 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 4: been around the game a long time. You know, there 477 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 4: are different ways to win, like different ways to be successful. 478 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 4: You don't need to do the same way every time. 479 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 4: So if there's a bunch of young guys on our 480 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 4: staff and they see the game from a different perspective 481 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 4: because they grew up maybe like in a different area 482 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 4: or like they just played a different position, that's good. 483 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: Like we welcome all that. And I think all that 484 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: is just kind of going to kind of like blend 485 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 4: together to try to make the coaching staff as good 486 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 4: and like as sharp as possible, and then hopefully that 487 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 4: bleeds out onto the field with the players in the 488 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 4: locker room and it just creates a bunch of team success. 489 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 490 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 2: I think to that point too, There's one thing that 491 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: I've always kind of noticed with this staff, as a 492 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: lot of these guys have played different positions than they 493 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 2: coach or coached different positions previously. You know, Brendan Nugent 494 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: played linebacker, Jay Rodgers was a quarterback, like Brandon Staley was. 495 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: You know, all these different kind of things you mentioned 496 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 2: Pat White coaching the receivers. How do you think that 497 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 2: really kind of helps these coaches hone their craft and 498 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: you know, grows as the teachers that you're just mentioning here. 499 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's I don't want to like give anything away. 500 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 4: I have like a I'm trying to work on a 501 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 4: story about that during camp about how just how like 502 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 4: different like perspectives and viewpoints change, like how people see 503 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 4: the game, and like being a former quarterback is big 504 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 4: in that, and like Brandon Daily at the best example, right, 505 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 4: a former yeah, former quarterback who's now a defensive minded, 506 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 4: per se head coach. I think it just kind of 507 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 4: goes back to like the different views of the game, right, 508 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 4: Like there's no there's so many ways and so many 509 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 4: lenses to view the game through that different perspectives are good, 510 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 4: and if you two see it differently, than I do. Well, 511 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 4: let's sit down and talk about it and maybe we 512 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 4: kind of you know, if you guys have an idea 513 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 4: and I have an idea, maybe what ends up showing 514 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 4: up on the field is like this third idea that 515 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 4: we kind of come up with together that's kind of 516 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 4: blends both of our game plan or whatever it is. 517 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: And that's good. 518 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 4: You know, I'm a big fan of like creativity and 519 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 4: culture and all that, and like you gotta and almost 520 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 4: like competition a little bit too, Like one person shouldn't 521 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 4: be dominating you know, these conversations. Let's have everyone involved 522 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 4: and let's figure it out together. 523 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love hearing that. 524 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: That is such a teaching thing, teaching environment sort of thing. 525 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: I just got my degree in education. Steven works in education, 526 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 3: So this all kind of like floats around the same 527 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 3: spheres that we operated. Is there a coach I know, 528 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 3: I'm sure all of them to be completely honest, but 529 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 3: was there one coach in particular, especially one that maybe 530 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: you'd want to highlight that doesn't get a whole out 531 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 3: of shine that people should be talking about more going 532 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 3: through it? For me, like Pat White was one of them, 533 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 3: especially because yes, he works with the receivers now, but 534 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: he said he wanted to become a head coach someday 535 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: and he wants to jump into that quarterback room. So 536 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: I could see him doing that maybe as early as 537 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 3: next season. I think we've talked about Tom Arth being 538 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: that next guy, but I feel like Pat White could 539 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: be that working with the quarterbacks, if say Kellen Moore 540 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 3: gets hired, nus Meyer Leser becomes offensive coordinator. So is 541 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: there a coach on the rise that people should be 542 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: talking about more? 543 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I liked your two I thought, you know, and 544 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 4: I talked about Pat and Tom already. 545 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: You know, I was really interested to. 546 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 4: Talk to Tom Donna Tell, mostly because, like you know, 547 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 4: I overlap with his dad in Minnesota for like, I 548 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 4: think it's like three months, so I didn't get to 549 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 4: know if dad that well. But when when Derek Ansley 550 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 4: was promoted to DC and then Donna Tell was bumped 551 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 4: up to secondary coach, everyone's like raven about Tom Donna Tell, 552 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 4: and it's like, well, who is this guy? You know, 553 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 4: like I really wanted to find out. And you talk 554 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 4: about like the teaching aspect we just mentioned, he was 555 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 4: really good on that. How he like kind of comes 556 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 4: up with different techniques and like you know, tricks and 557 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 4: stuff to teach players because similar to like being in 558 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 4: a classroom, not all ten dbs or fifteen dbs he 559 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 4: has are going to learn the same way. So Okay, 560 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 4: maybe this method worked for five guys, but then there's 561 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 4: three guys who need a second method, you know, so 562 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 4: it's like how can we kind of do that? But 563 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 4: overall he was just like really smart and like I 564 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 4: just you know, he's got kids, so we talked about that. 565 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 4: So just like I really enjoyed, like I feel like 566 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 4: I learned something from him, you know, which is what 567 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 4: he talked about what he tried to do with his players. 568 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 4: So he was really good, you know. And then like 569 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: I love special teams, like like you know, Ryan Ficking 570 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 4: is my guy, but like I like talking to Chris 571 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 4: Gold too. 572 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: He just a good, like funny guy. So he added 573 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: like a sense of humor. 574 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 4: To it, which was good because some of the coaches 575 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 4: at first were like, you know, I don't do much 576 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 4: media stuff and yeah, but Chris Gold, which is you know, 577 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 4: him and I are cool, Like he's funny, and it 578 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: was good. 579 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: Love to hear that. 580 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan Ficken is we're big fans of his on 581 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 2: this podcast. He can do no wrong in our eyes. 582 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 2: So we'll get to some training camp questions here before 583 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: we wrap up. You know, Tim and I have talked 584 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: a lot, basically the entire summer about this impending slot 585 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: corner battle, and then Daniel Popper today goes out and 586 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: says that he thinks this is just here Taylor's job 587 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 2: to lose. 588 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: People have We've been. 589 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: Kind of talking about jaw, like I said, all summer, 590 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: and people are kind of always hesitant to buy in. 591 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: You've interviewed his coaches, you see him practice. What do 592 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: you make of just here Taylor's potential role for this 593 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: defense in twenty twenty three. 594 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm high on job. 595 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 4: I thought he played really well last year, and most 596 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: of that came on special teams, you know, but when 597 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 4: he did get in defense, like aout the second half 598 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 4: of the year, so he really flashed. I thought I 599 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 4: thought he did well, you know, and he's kind of 600 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 4: like a bigger guy, so he can he can maybe 601 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 4: offer something different than zont does you know, if you're 602 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 4: talking about like different like slot options. All this obviously 603 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 4: is assuming that Jac is healthy and the two outside 604 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 4: corners are are jc and and Micah Davis. 605 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think, like I think you 606 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: can just be flexible with it. 607 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 4: And maybe maybe there isn't like a starting corner or 608 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 4: a starting slot corner on the team, like like a 609 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 4: guy who owns the position like you see on most teams. 610 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 4: Maybe they can just be multiple on defense and they 611 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 4: have different packages where one package is zont one package's job, 612 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 4: one package is Derwin. Like I don't know, like that 613 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 4: they have all this talent, why not just kind of 614 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 4: utilize it, utilize it differently best you can. And that's 615 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 4: not to like take anything away from Pop who thinks 616 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 4: John is going to be the starter, like he was 617 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 4: in there with the first team defense this off season. 618 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: But that's the JT wasn't out there. 619 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 4: So you know, I'm not gonna make any you know, 620 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 4: Pop and I have different roles, right like we I 621 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 4: work for the team and he doesn't. But like that's 622 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 4: just a good battle to follow in camp, you know, 623 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 4: and maybe he ends up being right, you know, maybe 624 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 4: he's not win the job. I don't know, but it's 625 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 4: a good problem to have. The more talent you can 626 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: have at corner, definitely the better. 627 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something that we have to discuss. 628 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: We have to declare a winner. 629 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: But it doesn't really matter in the end, to be 630 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: completely honest, at least not with this particular spot, not 631 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 3: in the defensive backfield at all. But again, we have 632 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: to declare somebody a winner, and even who ends up 633 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: winning it, maybe they don't keep it for the entire year. 634 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: I mean, so much changes. 635 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: This guy makes the fifty three and he's not on 636 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: the roster two weeks later. 637 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: He's a starter. He's not a starter. 638 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: I mean Michael Davis was a gunner last year. Now 639 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 3: I can't imagine a better corner for them last season. So, 640 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: Eric Smith, what are you looking forward to in camp 641 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: this year? 642 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm like is really so obviously J C. 643 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 4: Jackson's health is probably the top story line, right because 644 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 4: like everyone wants to know that. But like like I said, 645 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 4: I love Ryan Ficken, I'm like fascinated by this kicker battle. 646 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 4: And maybe that's a lot of a lot of other spots. 647 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 4: There's not a ton of there's maybe like battles going on, 648 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 4: but there's not like there's no spots on the offensive line, right, 649 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 4: Like we talked about receiver, the playing time going for there, 650 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 4: like the third guy per Se, you know, like a 651 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 4: Lohi Gilman's probably gonna be the starter neck to Derwin 652 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 4: at this point, like something you know, draftic has to happen. 653 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 4: So like if you look around the starting twenty two, 654 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 4: it's pretty set, right, there's not like anything crazy that 655 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 4: we're going to be watching it more like like slot 656 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 4: or like depth you know, depth positions. But he's only 657 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 4: gonna be one kicker, right, And like I love the 658 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 4: track that during camp. It's like my one of my 659 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 4: favorite things to do with track kicker stuff and all that. 660 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 4: And it's just like really fascinating because you either go 661 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 4: with like a veteran who has had a nice like 662 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 4: bounce back to his career in the last you know 663 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 4: year and a half per Se and the unfortunately got 664 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 4: hurt with Hopkins. You know, people don't don't like remember 665 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 4: like that Denver game at home, he could he could 666 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 4: barely walk right, and he's out there kicking field goal 667 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 4: and like literally had to be carried off the field 668 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 4: because he couldn't get off the field on his own, 669 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 4: you know. Or on the flip side, you have a 670 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 4: young I think uh Dicker's like twenty four you know, 671 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 4: you have a young guy who, like, if he owes 672 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 4: the consistency he did last year, maybe that's your franchise 673 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 4: kicker for the next like ten to fifteen years like that, 674 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 4: that's where what he could potentially be, Like not saying 675 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 4: he will, but he has that potential just because he's 676 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 4: so young and did so well as the rookie. So 677 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 4: either way, like they're in a good spot. You know, 678 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 4: both guys are good guys. Like I'm not rooting for 679 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 4: any one guy to win the job, and I'm glad 680 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 4: I'm not making that call because it's going to be 681 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 4: a tough, tough, tough race, I think, and it'll go 682 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 4: well like late into camp, preseason, it'll be a tough 683 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 4: one down the stretch. But you know, like like I've 684 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 4: written and I thought, you know, Pop wrote it today, 685 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 4: like whoever doesn't win the job, it's surely like a 686 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 4: potential trade chip and that's just like. 687 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: It's just like a win win for the Chargers. 688 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: Just falling up on that kicker battle real quick. Do 689 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 3: you ever find yourself over analyzing the quotes you get? 690 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 3: Because I was reading the interview, you know, answers you 691 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: got from Chris Gold and he talked about that that 692 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 3: kicking room, and that's this battle that's going on, and 693 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 3: he said he wanted to really develop a kicker and 694 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 3: make them elite and create longevity for the kicker. And 695 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 3: my first thought was like, well, that sounds a lot 696 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: more like a second year kicker than it does a 697 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 3: veteran and we're talking about developing them, making them elite, 698 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 3: finding that longevity. Granted, you know, kickers can play a 699 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 3: lot longer than everybody else, but I kind of overanalyzed 700 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 3: that one for sure. 701 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe a little bit. I definitely see what you're saying. 702 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 4: But it's not like Hopkins is forty years old, right, 703 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 4: Like he's like thirty, so he's he can still play 704 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 4: another ten years. Like like you said, kickers play a 705 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 4: long time. I thought the like longevity part of that 706 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,479 Speaker 4: was related to both guys where it's like, whoever doesn't 707 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 4: win the job, they want the other person to go 708 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 4: to another team and then kick for ten fifteen years, 709 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 4: you know, on their own. 710 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: So that how I sort of like interpreted that. 711 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: Gotcha for what it's worth, Cameron Dicker is only twenty 712 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: three and Dustin Hopkins will turn thirty three during the season. 713 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: Okay, a little bit off there. I got it, so 714 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: I gotta study up on that, and that's okay, you're forgiven. 715 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know either. I had to google it, you know. 716 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, man, if he's twenty four, that means, 717 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 2: you know whatever. I don't want to get into age 718 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 2: right now. I'm too young to complain about age. 719 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: You know. It is what it is. 720 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: But Eric will get you out of here on this. 721 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: We keip you for a little bit longer than we 722 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: said we would, unless Tyler has any other questions. But 723 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: who's a player that you think will surprise fans during 724 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: training There's always one, you know. In twenty nineteen it 725 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 2: was Tyron Johnson. Everybody getended up loving him. Twenty twenty, 726 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 2: maybe Brandon Fojoko was kind of that guy. Is there 727 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 2: somebody this year that you think will surprise some folks 728 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 2: and maybe end up training camp being a fan favorite. 729 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: Good question. I'll give you two names, one on each 730 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: side of the ball. There we go. I'm excited to 731 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: see what Dayon Henley can do. 732 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 4: And I wrote this so I have a mail bag 733 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 4: coming out tomorrow and I gotta asked about him. 734 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: But like, I'll just spoil the answer here. 735 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 4: You know, I know a lot of people have talked like, oh, well, 736 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 4: maybe he can like replace Kenneth Murray, and I understand 737 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 4: that line of thinking, but I just don't see it 738 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 4: like immediately because. 739 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: It's such a big jump from college to the NFL. 740 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 4: So like, why not just have him go be like 741 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 4: an absolute monster on special teams and make that unit 742 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 4: even better than it has been, and then he can 743 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 4: sort of work his way into the defense and maybe, 744 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 4: like with tuy, maybe there's like packages where. 745 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: He comes on the field. You know, I don't know. 746 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 4: I'm just like spitball, but like he has potential, sure, 747 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 4: but I think just to say, oh, you're gonna just 748 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 4: like replace Kenneth Murray, who maybe you know, needs to 749 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 4: be more consistent, but he's still like a like a 750 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 4: solid player, So I don't think like asking a third 751 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 4: round rookie to come in and just like play in 752 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 4: Brandon Daily's complex defense is like a sure thing. Let's 753 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 4: let him develop on special teams and take like a 754 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 4: more traditional route to get on defense maybe down the road. Offensively, 755 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,959 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Isaiah Spiller just because we don't 756 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 4: really know much about him, Like he barely played last year. 757 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 4: It was sort of like a de facto or red 758 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 4: shirt year for him, and so I want to see 759 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 4: what he has, you know, and I think he has potential. 760 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 4: I know the coaches are high on him, like Derek 761 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 4: Foster would praise him a lot and said he had 762 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 4: the right attitude and he works hard. It's just it's 763 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 4: kind of maybe his time to take that next step 764 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 4: forward and if he can, that's just like a really 765 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 4: good boost to the running game that you know, we 766 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 4: all need to be better, better than it was last year. 767 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's probably my two guys, like younger guys 768 00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 4: kind of see. 769 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: What they got. Would love to see it. 770 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of Isaiah Spiller fans out 771 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 2: there on social media. And same with mister Dan Henley. 772 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 2: Real quick about Dayon. In twenty twenty, mister Kenny Young, 773 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: a former linebacker of the Rams, had one hundred snaps 774 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 2: on the regular season. 775 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: From the slot. 776 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 2: Maybe a potential rule for mister Dayan Henley out there 777 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,959 Speaker 2: for some good snaps out there as well. 778 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: You never know, Henley is gonna win slot. 779 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get down Henley nine hundred snaps from the slot. 780 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 2: No good thought all right, Tyler, any other Sorry about that, Tyler, 781 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: any other thoughts here for Eric before we head out 782 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 2: for it today. 783 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 3: No final questions. I just wanted to say thank you 784 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 3: for doing this series. Obviously for joining us today. I 785 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 3: appreciate that, but for doing this series. We are fans, 786 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 3: we're starving for content. There's nothing really to talk about, 787 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 3: so I for you to publish twenty one of these 788 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 3: over the course of the offseason, we really appreciate that 789 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 3: as fans, so thank you very much. 790 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: No problem. I enjoyed it too. 791 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 4: Like I said, I got some good feedback, so I 792 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 4: appreciate you guys support. 793 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 2: Yes, and honestly, we dedicated a few shows to your 794 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 2: articles about that, so that's a sincere compliment for sure. 795 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 2: We hope that this is a recurring thing. We would 796 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 2: love to hear about these coaches again next year, if 797 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 2: there's any new hires or whatever the case may be. 798 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: Looking forward to that and looking forward to meeting you 799 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 2: in person, Eric this weekend. Looking forward to your coverage 800 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 2: at training camp. Charges fans make sure give Eric a follow, 801 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 2: make sure check out all his articles on Chargers dot com, 802 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: and as always, we will talk to you soon. 803 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: Bolt Up