1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: I am so excited about this episode's guest. It is 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: someone who I have been trying to get on the 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: show and so honored that we got his time and 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: that he's on this show. It is Senator JD. Vanced 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: from Ohio. I've been wanting to have him on one. 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: I just find him very, very smart. He's a brilliant guy, 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: and he's an interesting guy. But he just has such 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: a unique background as well. I mean, look, he's a 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: millennial at thirty nine years old. 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: He served in the Marine Corps. 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: He has also just experienced two entirely different worlds that 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: most people don't experience. You know, he grew up in 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: an Appalachian hometown and Middletown, Ohio, where you know, drug 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: addiction was the norm. You know, grew up in an 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: impoverished neighborhood. But then you know, went on to get 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: his law degree for Yale, become a venture capitalist and 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: now a United States senator. I mean, how many people 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: have lived in those two extremes. How has that shaped 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: his belief system and his policyview points? 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: Now? 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: He wrote about his upbringing and his memoir Hillbilly Elegy, 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: which Netflix turned into a movie. The book was published 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, The New York Times called it one 24 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: of the six best books to help understand Trump's win. 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: So I woant to ask Senator Vance why does he 26 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: think that Donald Trump won in twenty sixteen and what 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: does that tell him about the twenty twenty four election. 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: He's also been vocal against Joe Biden's immigration policies. We're 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: going to talk to him about how he sees that 30 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: playing out this election cycle. Also, just this quote from 31 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer that has been haunting me back in January 32 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen, when he said about Donald Trump that 33 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: if you take on the intelligence community, they have six 34 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: ways from Sunday at getting back at you. I'm going 35 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: to ask Senator Vance about that. How much of the 36 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: law fair we're seeing waged against Donald Trump has to 37 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: do with that. 38 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: He's also out with some. 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: New legislation trying to dismantle DII programs in the federal government, 40 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: so we'll get into that as well. 41 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: So a lot to discuss with Senator JD. Vance. 42 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about his worldview the twenty twenty 43 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: four election and also just some really important issues that 44 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: are pertinent to the election, and also that I just 45 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: want to hear from him, so stay tuned for Senator 46 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: jd Vance. Well, Senator de Vance, it's great to have 47 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: you on the show. I've been wanting to have you on, 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: so it's an honor to have you on the show. 49 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 4: Well, thanks, I've always been a fans, so glad to 51 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 4: talk to you in the context of the show. 52 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. 53 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: Obviously there's a lot to cover, crazy world we live in, 54 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: and also your name. Your name has been coming up 55 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: a little bit in the press, Senator, I assure you. 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it always does, no matter what I do, 57 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: keep on coming. 58 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: Up, especially with the you know, the VP talk. But 59 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: we'll get into that, you know later. I just I 60 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: find you so interesting because you've really just lived in 61 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: like two incredibly distinct worlds. You know, you got your 62 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: law degree from Yale Venture Capitalists, You've you've kind of 63 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: lived in that world. But then you also grew up 64 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: at Appalachin hometown with you know, we're poverty existed addiction 65 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: as well. You wrote a book about it. You know, 66 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: Netflix created that special. 67 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: So I guess you know. 68 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: How kind of those. 69 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: Two worlds shaped your belief system and in your policy viewpoints. 70 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. 71 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, one, just from where I grew up, 72 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 4: I think I have a particular interest and certainly an 73 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 4: awareness of how people often do struggle, and I think 74 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 4: because of that, I just I care a lot about, 75 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 4: you know, not just sort of the people that you 76 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 4: maybe think of as most associated with the Republican Party 77 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 4: or who have traditionally participated in or even donated a 78 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 4: Republican campaigns, but to a lot of people who just 79 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 4: don't care about politics traditionally. Maybe they came to the 80 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 4: Republican Party through Trump, but otherwise have not been super 81 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: engaged in politics at all, and certainly not in Republican politics. 82 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: And you know, I do think it's different when you 83 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 4: have sort of a personal exposure to some of these problems. 84 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: Right. 85 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: So it's like one thing to be aware of the 86 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: fact that there are close to one hundred thousand, one 87 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: hundred thousand drug overdose tests in our country every single year, 88 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: most of it coming from you know, Mexican drug cartel 89 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: imported fittanol. I think it's another thing to know people 90 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: who are caring for their grandkids because their own kids 91 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: died and so their grandkids have been orphaned by it, 92 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 4: and it's another thing to see sort of opioid addiction 93 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 4: tear through your family and realize how briticious it is. 94 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: You know, it's like one thing to sort of recognize 95 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 3: that the cost. 96 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 4: Of food is way too high in my view, because 97 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: of the policies of the Biden administration. I think it's 98 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 4: another thing to have witnessed your grandmother, you know, negotiating 99 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 4: with the Meals on Wheels program for more food so 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: that she could feed her grandkids too. And I just 101 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 4: think you have sort of a certain perspective on these 102 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 4: things when you grow up the way that I did. 103 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: And it doesn't mean you can't care about them if 104 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: you didn't grow up the way that I did, but 105 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: you certainly see it in a different way. And then, 106 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 4: you know, the VC thing is interesting because you know, 107 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 4: one of my very strong views is that just economically, 108 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 4: that our country has sort of gotten addicted to cheap 109 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 4: labor and. 110 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: Is not nearly innovative enough. 111 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: So where our economy has seen real innovation is in 112 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 4: things like cell phones, information technology, Google, Facebook, and so forth. 113 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 4: But we're not nearly as innovative in the sectors of 114 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 4: the economy where most Americans work, and I've sort of 115 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: seen that from the perspective of a venture capitalists. And 116 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: then if you kind of marry those two perspectives, I 117 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: think that one of the fundamental problems in our country 118 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: is that we don't have an economy that works for 119 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 4: a lot of normal people. 120 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: That if you're like a tech executive or you're. 121 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 4: A law firm partner who works in Wall Street or 122 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 4: in tech, then you've done pretty well. And yet if 123 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 4: you're like a normal American you're a truck driver, or 124 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 4: you're a nurse, or you know, you grow up in 125 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 4: a community that's been affected by the opioid problem, things 126 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 4: have been, you know, not necessarily easy for you the 127 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 4: last twenty or thirty years. And I think both of 128 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 4: those problems are something I sort of am acutely aware of. 129 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: I've seen very much in my own personal life. 130 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 4: But I also think are sort of problems in our 131 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: country in our politics should be more focused on. 132 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: And that disconnect seems to have grown. You know, why 133 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: do you think that? Why do you think that is 134 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: and do you agree with that? 135 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: I think it definitely has. 136 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: I mean, I think part of it is that the 137 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: Democratic Party, very unfortunately, I think it's one of the 138 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 4: most terrible things that's happened in politics is that Democrats 139 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: used to sort of see themselves as defenders of the 140 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 4: working man. Now we can sort of disagree about whether 141 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 4: their policies actually worked, like set that to the side, 142 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 4: But there was this general, I think, attachment to an 143 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 4: affection for working people, whether they were white, black, or whatever. 144 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 4: And I think there's this weird idea of the Democratic 145 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 4: Party that if you're white, you're fundamentally privileged. They don't 146 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 4: really you know, they think you're backwards, they don't like you, 147 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 4: and so they don't sort of see these people as 148 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 4: even worthy of respect anymore. And so I think it's 149 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 4: like it made our politics really deranged because you have 150 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 4: a lot of traditional Democratic constitut tuancies who have moved 151 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 4: to the Republican Party, and like, normally you would expect 152 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 4: the Democrats to say, well, how can we get these 153 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 4: people back? And instead the Democrats are sort of saying, 154 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: how can we come up with more and more elaborate 155 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 4: theories about how evil these people are. That's just like 156 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: a psychotic way to think about your fellow countrymen. And unfortunately, 157 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 4: I think that attitude is way too common in the 158 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: modern Democratic Party. 159 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: Well, and it's interesting because you know the book that 160 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: obviously or remember Hillbilly Elogy. It was published in twenty sixteen. 161 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: New York Times said that it was one of the 162 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: six best books to understand Donald Trump's win in. 163 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: That election cycle. 164 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: I guess, think, why do you think Trump won in 165 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and sort of what does that tell you 166 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: about twenty twenty four? 167 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, so, one thing that's really interesting is 168 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: that if you go back to like public polling in 169 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 4: twenty fifteen and you ask sort of voters what is 170 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: their top issue? Right, maybe immigration cracks the trop top 171 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: three in twenty fifteen, and certainly trade doesn't crack the 172 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 4: top five. 173 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: And yet if you live in these communities, like. 174 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 4: You're not necessarily going to tell a polster you're really 175 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: worried about like the decline of manufacturing in the fact 176 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 4: that China has stolen our industrial base. But like Trump 177 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: like fundamentally got this in an instinctive way. And you know, 178 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 4: I'm sure all the consultants said, well, don't talk about trade. 179 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: Nobody talks about trade and cares about trade. And yet 180 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: when he comes down to the escalator, he gives this speech, 181 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 4: he talks about integration trade, and the entire party goes wild. 182 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: And so I think one of the things, one of 183 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: the lessons. 184 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 4: To take from it is that sometimes like people should 185 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: just trust their instincts and they should not listen to 186 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: political consultants, because I think if Trump had allowed the 187 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 4: political consultants to construct his campaign, he would have sounded 188 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 4: like Jeb Bush. He would have lost, not like, you know, 189 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 4: not quite as bad as Jeb Bush. 190 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: He's always going to have his natural charisma. 191 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: But people underweight the extent to which Trump's success was 192 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: not just unique to him being, you know, obviously a 193 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: very effective spokesperson, but also the fact that he was 194 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 4: substantively tapping into something that is very real, Like isn't 195 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 4: it ridiculous that we let all these people flood into 196 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 4: our country and it's considered a racist to want to 197 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 4: send them back? 198 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: And like, isn't it. 199 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 4: Ridiculous that we let the Chinese seal seven million manufacturing jobs, 200 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: impoverishing whole swaths of the Midwest, and nobody really pushed 201 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: back against it. 202 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: We sort of all said this was like a good idea. 203 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 4: And I just think that if you think of the 204 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 4: themes that really carried him in twenty sixteen made him 205 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 4: a successful president. I think in some ways those themes 206 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 4: are even more alive in twenty twenty four right. It's 207 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: like the pandemic and all the supply chain disruptions and 208 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 4: the rising cost of living, and of course the border, 209 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 4: like all of these things are in some ways worse 210 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 4: now than they were in twenty fifteen, and I think 211 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: Trump is able to tap into it unlike very basically 212 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 4: like unlike any other politicians in the country. 213 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: Well, and it's wild too to see the public kind 214 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: of come around to where you know, Donald Trump has 215 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: been on even like the border, you know, for instance, 216 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: I mean, the swings are pretty remarkable. Now you have 217 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: the majority of Americans who support, you know, some sort 218 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: of mass deportation program when you know under you know, 219 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: and when you know Trump was inhumane right when they 220 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: told us during you know, his administration. You know, I 221 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about this upcoming debate between Joe 222 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: Biden and Donald Trump on June twenty six, twenty seventh. 223 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: I worry a little bit that the bar is so 224 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: low for Joe Biden that really all he has to 225 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: do is not a drool on himself. You know, he's 226 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: Trump's going to be up against CNNA and anchors Jake 227 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: Tapper and Dana Bash. They can cut the mics when 228 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: they want. There's no live audience. You know, how do 229 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: you think Joe Biden will perform? And how much how 230 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: big of a deal do you think this debate is 231 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: going to be? 232 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: So I totally agree with you. 233 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 4: I think that debate format is fundamentally biased towards Joe Biden. 234 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 4: And I think the Republicans like we yeah, okay, it 235 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: is kind of weird sometimes Joe Biden just freezes randomly, 236 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: but look, he just has to have ninety minutes where 237 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 4: he's serviceable, and the media will treat it as a 238 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: wild success. 239 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: I'm sure they can medicate him enough to make him okay. 240 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 4: And so I think we have set the bar too low, 241 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 4: especially given to the format really is biased against Trump 242 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 4: in these profound ways, like certainly the anchors are obviously 243 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 4: more pro Biden than they are pro Trump. But think 244 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 4: about this, Lisa, like a fundamental attribute of leadership is 245 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 4: how people respond to you. So I actually would like 246 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: a presidential debate in front of human beings because fundamentally 247 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 4: being president is about leading human beings, but. 248 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: There's no audience. 249 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 4: But of course we know that Trump would do better 250 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 4: in front of an audience than Joe Biden would or 251 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 4: I've heard, though I haven't seen this confirmed, that they're 252 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 4: supposed to be sitting down as opposed to standing up. Well, 253 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 4: like you know, Trumps has more energy, right, He's just 254 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 4: a livelier guy than Joe Biden. Everybody recognizes that, even 255 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 4: if the Democrats don't want to admit it. So the 256 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 4: fact that they're sitting down really biased against Donald Trump. 257 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: So the deck is really stacked here, and I think 258 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: if Trump is able to come away looking good, it 259 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: will be a massive victory for him. 260 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 4: But I think we're setting bar way too low for 261 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: Joe Biden given the debate format. 262 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: We've got more with Senator jd Vance. But first, since 263 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: the terror attacks in October seventh, anti Semitism has been 264 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: on the rise, not just in Israel but here at home, 265 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: in the US and around the world. That's why I've 266 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: partnered with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. And 267 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: today I'm coming to you, my audience, to ask that 268 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: you stand with us in IFDJ to raise your voice 269 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: just as Oscar Schindler and Corey ten Boom did. This 270 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: pledge is asking Christians to stand with their Jewish brothers 271 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: and sisters to never be silent, to show the Jewish 272 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: people that they are not alone, that they have God 273 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: and Christians on their side. For the month of June, 274 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: we are asking Christians to sign this pledge, which will 275 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: be delivered to the President of Israel, to show that 276 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: Christians in America are not only standing in solidarity, but 277 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: they're speaking up to let's take a stand with the 278 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: International Fellowship of Christians and Jews to let the Jewish. 279 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: People know that they're not alone. 280 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: To sign the pledge, go to support IFCJ dot org. 281 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: Support IFCJ dot org to take a stand today. 282 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: Biden, we're thirty five. 283 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: He would still be a terrible president and insert any Democrat. 284 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: Their policies are a failure. Look at California. You know, 285 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: so this isn't the fact that the world is crumbling 286 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: in the United States is crumbling. Has less to do 287 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: about his age and more to do with, you know, 288 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: the Democrat policies and the fact their failures. 289 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 2: You know, one thing that I just keep thinking about. 290 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: Is when Chuck Schumer back in twenty seventeen January twenty seventeen, 291 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: so that if you take on the intelligence community, they 292 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. 293 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: How much of this law fair that we are seeing 294 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: being waged against Donald Trump has to do with that? 295 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: Oh, it's huge, Lisa. I think this is the This 296 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: is a huge, huge, leaper issue for our country. 297 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 4: Even though most people care about Pokaba stuff, most people care. 298 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: About the immigration issue. 299 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 4: I think a lot of Americans are sort of waking 300 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 4: up to the fact that the government can be weaponized 301 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 4: for political purposes in a way that just makes like 302 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: the function of our democratic republic impossible. Like if you 303 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 4: can't participate in American democracy because you're worried you're going 304 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 4: to be thrown in jail, then you actually don't have 305 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 4: a functional republican anymore. You have some weird authoritarian system. 306 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 4: And I fear that that's where we're headed. And look, 307 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 4: I mean the thing about Trump that is like it 308 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 4: has been so revealing to so many of us, right, 309 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: and like my enemy is sort of bring this up 310 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 4: all the time that I was critical of Trump in 311 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, Like what changed? 312 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: I was like, well, one, what changed? 313 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: Is they spied on his campaign and the media said 314 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 4: they didn't, but they did, And they tried to take 315 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 4: down his presidency over a Russian collusion story that was 316 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 4: actually a hoax that was funded. 317 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: By the Hillary Clinton campaign, but. 318 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 4: Sort of migrated its way into the intelligence community of 319 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: the country, and we sort of realized all these things 320 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: that happened. It's like, well, how can anybody look at 321 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: this and not say, Wow, there's a lot of corruption 322 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: at the law enforcement level of our federal government. And 323 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: I really think that Republicans, even though we're not going 324 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 4: to win or lose a life on this issue. I've 325 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 4: talked to a lot of people about this, including the President. Like, 326 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: the good news is most Americans don't care about the lawfair. 327 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 4: The bad news is most Americans don't care about the 328 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 4: lawfair right, They're just. 329 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: Not focused on it day to day. 330 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: But if Republicans actually want to have a seat at 331 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 4: the table, we have got to root this stuff out 332 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 4: the next time we get power, or we may never 333 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: have a chance at doing it. You know, look like, 334 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 4: I'm a very like to think I'm a very above 335 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 4: board guy. I do things properly, I don't break the law. 336 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 4: I'm very careful about this stuff. 337 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: But given what. 338 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 4: They got Trump on, I mean literally an alleged bookkeeping 339 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 4: violation for one of his many businesses, and they brought 340 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 4: thirty four counts in New York City. If that's the standard, 341 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 4: then they're going to try to throw every Republican of 342 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: significance in prison over the next ten years. Like this 343 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 4: feels very personal to me in a way that some 344 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 4: of these political debates have it in the past, because 345 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 4: like I am a Republican elected official, and I want 346 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 4: to help the country and I want to fix problems. 347 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: And if the standard is if you're actually affected, they 348 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 4: try to throw you in prison, then what the hell 349 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 4: are any of us doing? We have to fight back 350 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 4: against this. 351 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: It's really scary, you know what they're what they're trying 352 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: to do. I just I hope that, you know, politically 353 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't work, and you know, we'll see what they 354 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: do with the sentencing. 355 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: You know, you'd kind of mention. 356 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: It about sort of the lies that we've been told 357 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: by the media, which you know, we don't have enough 358 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: time to go through all of them, but you know, 359 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned immigration previously. You know we were told that 360 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: the idea that you know, Democrats were importing a new 361 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: voter base, or you know, sort of a new base 362 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: of citizens. Like that was racist. You're a terrible person 363 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: if you say it. But then people like Democrat conquers 364 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: the one you bet Clark has literally stated that her 365 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: district can absorb more migrants because she needs them for 366 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: redistricting purposes. Or you look at the fact that the 367 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: foreign or immigrant population has hit a record high of 368 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: almost fifty two million, almost sixteen percent of the US population. 369 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: So like, what else do you call that? 370 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: I mean, it's absolutely election interference in vote buying, and 371 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 4: you're right that they did for a very long time. 372 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: Call this a sort of racist conspiracy theory. 373 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 4: But they're crazy responses to that, right, crazy in that 374 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 4: they're so effective and obvious. I mean, Number one is 375 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 4: that a lot of Latinos and a lot of Black 376 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 4: Americans actually agree with us on the border. It's actually 377 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 4: if you look at sort of Joe Biden, people who 378 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 4: are even planning to vote for Joe Biden, now they 379 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: often disagree with him on immigration. Right, that's like one 380 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 4: issue where he loses even a lot of the people 381 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: who plan to vote for him. The second thing, of course, 382 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 4: is that it's just true. And what's so funny about 383 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 4: this is that often the media will say something is 384 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 4: a crazy racist conspiracy theory, and then literally three months later, 385 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer will go on the Senate floor and say 386 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 4: the exact thing that was allegedly a conspiracy theory just 387 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: a few months earlier, and you know, you sort of 388 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 4: touched upon this. But the two ways in which this 389 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 4: is very seriously a problem. One is, just for purposes 390 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 4: of congressional apportionment, they count legal aliens in how they 391 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 4: divvy up congressional seats. And so when you know, I 392 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 4: think they're probably twenty to twenty five million legal aliens 393 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: in the country right now, well, that means that there 394 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 4: are a lot of people in areas that don't have 395 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 4: large illegal immigrant populations who are going to be deprived 396 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: of congressional seats because you only have a certain number 397 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 4: of seats to work with. If more go to legal aliens, 398 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 4: less we'll go to American citizens. The second thing, Lisa, 399 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 4: is Democrats are quite explicit about the fact that they 400 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: want pathways to amnesty so that these people can eventually vote. 401 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 4: So that's like an even more direct election theft is 402 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 4: when you import people give them the right to vote, 403 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 4: and that dilutes the voting power of American citizens. Like 404 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 4: that is such a fundamental violation of people's rights to 405 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 4: sort of look at them and say, rather than persuade 406 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 4: you that my policies are better, I'm going to import 407 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 4: people to replace you so I. 408 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: Don't ever have to persuade you again. 409 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 4: It's crazy that this is not the only issue the 410 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 4: media talks about, and instead they pretended some conspiracy. 411 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean I could give you one 412 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: hundred ways that the left has you know, interfered with 413 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: her elections, from that that you know, Hunter Biden's laptop, 414 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: to you know, telling us that these videos of Joe 415 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: Biden are cheap fakes when they're just reality, right, like 416 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: the lower what they're trying to do to Donald Trump. 417 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: But I wanted to get you on this real quick. 418 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: I know that you're pushing legislation dismantle DEI Act. It 419 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: seems like Americans are kind of awakening to like, maybe 420 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: we need to get back to a more merit based system. 421 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: And we saw Harvard recently announce that they're no longer 422 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: going to require diversity statements for the faculty of Arts 423 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: and sciences. 424 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: Do you think is the tide shifting on that. 425 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: I think it's shifting slowly least. 426 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 4: But we have to be honest that a lot of 427 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 4: this comes from public policy, and I don't think you're 428 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 4: ever going to be really able to eradicate this stuff 429 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 4: unless you take away the financial incentives for DEI and 430 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 4: the outright way in which the federal government forces the 431 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: stuff on both the private and public sector. 432 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: So what my bill does is actually abolished THEI and. 433 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 4: Hiring and contracting practices, and it also sort of cuts 434 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 4: off the stream of money to promote DII in universities 435 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 4: and so forth, because unless you sort of eliminate that 436 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: federal pressure, you're still going to have a sort of core, 437 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: you know, cancerous tumor that's growing and keeps on trying 438 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 4: to metastasize in weird ways. I mean, my wake up 439 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 4: for this, by the way, leads and just when I 440 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 4: realized how how bad this was, And look, if you 441 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 4: had asked me ten years ago, you know, was their 442 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 4: discrimination against white Americas? I thought, of course, that's absurd, 443 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 4: Like nobody, like who actually thinks that? And then like 444 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 4: the Biden administration comes in and actually hands out farm 445 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 4: grants where you're not allowed to apply as a farmer 446 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 4: if you're a white person. 447 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: And it's like, wait, wait a second. 448 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 4: I thought what we were trying to do is like 449 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 4: treat everybody equally regardless of skin color, not explicitly discriminate 450 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: against different people, but just a different group of people 451 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: than we discriminated against sixty years ago. Like this is 452 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 4: crazy and this is illegal, by the way, But the 453 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 4: BIDE adminstration I think has gotten away from has gotten 454 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 4: away with it for too long because frankly, too few 455 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: congressional Republicans have pushed back against it. 456 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: Well, it was it was a quality before, but that's 457 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: out now it's equity. 458 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: You know, they've changed. 459 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: But I wanted, so are you going to be trump speepe? 460 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean you want to get to 461 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: asked a question. I really don't know. Uh. 462 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 4: I mean, look, I I definitely am interested in it, 463 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 4: you know, I want to help him. I think it 464 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 4: can be a very effective advocate for the people that 465 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: elected me and for the agenda from the Senate. 466 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: But if he asked me, you know, we'll go down 467 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 3: that path. 468 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: What happens, just saying if you have any news that 469 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: you'd like to break we would greatly appreciate. 470 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 3: Trust me, I would. I would love to break the news. 471 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 4: I'd love to learn something about this that's not just 472 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 4: a public media report. 473 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 3: But so so far no news. 474 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: Well you know where to come and. 475 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: All right, Senator de Vans, I really appreciate your time, 476 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: great conversation, very interesting as as a would be, which 477 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: is why I was trying to get you on. 478 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 3: Okay, well, I really appreciate it, and let's see it 479 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 3: again sometime. Thanks Lisa. 480 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: That was Senator jd Vance from Ohio. Appreciate him taking 481 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys 482 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you 483 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: can listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cass, 484 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: you and my producer for putting the show together. 485 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: Until next time.