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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a top Memphis surgeon is

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Speaker 1: gunned down in his own exam room.

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Speaker 2: Why I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Series

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to our friends at w r EG.

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Speaker 4: Exclusive viewer video shows Clerville police running intensely to find

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Speaker 4: the suspect as sirens blair, signaling the large response to

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Speaker 4: the scene. Susan Baker had just entered with her family

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Speaker 4: when they kay I started someone's I'm.

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Speaker 3: Going home to their family tonight.

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Speaker 5: And they could have.

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Speaker 3: Been anyone who are in the clinic today.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine going to your doctor's office, taking your

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Speaker 2: children there, sitting there in the way, thumbing through magazines,

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Speaker 2: looking at your phone, when you hear shots ring out

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Speaker 2: and then all hebale breaks loose. The most you can

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Speaker 2: do is die for your children, to try to save them.

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Speaker 2: Nobody knowing what's going on. This surgeon, seemingly beloved husband

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Speaker 2: gunned down in his own office in an exam room

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Speaker 2: when patients attack. Why with me It All Star panel

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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now, But

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Speaker 2: take a listen to our friends at WMCTV.

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Speaker 6: Calufield Police Chief Dale Lane says a patient of Campbell

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Speaker 6: Clinic on Poplar shot and killed an employee around two

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Speaker 6: pm Tuesday afternoon. Clinic officials confirm the victim is orthopedic

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Speaker 6: hand surgeon doctor Benjamin mop So.

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Speaker 7: This appears to be a one on one interaction that

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Speaker 7: occurred in an exam room.

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Speaker 2: It's not the first time a healthcare professional, a doctor,

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Speaker 2: a nurse have been attacked by patients, including patients, husbands

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Speaker 2: and wives. But why take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 2: twenty four from WASB.

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Speaker 8: We're getting our first look at the patient accused of

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Speaker 8: attacking a nurse who died days later. That is Jesse Gilory,

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Speaker 8: charged with manslaughter after the Airpril fourth attack. Vestcuars believe

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Speaker 8: he attacked a nurse there at.

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Speaker 3: Batanuth General Lyndricio.

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Speaker 8: Autopsy results show she died from blood clots in her

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Speaker 8: legs and.

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Speaker 2: Lungs, those clots resulting from a vicious attack on her.

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Speaker 2: In that case, a female nurse was attacked and then died.

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Speaker 2: Now take a listen to our cut twenty five KABC and.

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Speaker 9: Labed swanting forced their way into a room where this

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Speaker 9: man had barricaded himself, but not before he stabbed three people,

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Speaker 9: two nurses and a doctor. Now the suspect, demand in

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Speaker 9: his thirties, walked into the emergency room, he asked to

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Speaker 2: Now, in the current case, the case in Chief, where

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Speaker 2: the top Memphis hand surgeon was murdered, shot dead in

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Speaker 2: his own exam room, we are now learning police are

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Speaker 2: saying that his murder, Doctor Benjamin Mak's murder was a

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Speaker 2: quote targeted attack. Again not the first time nurses doctors

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Speaker 2: have been the target of murder. Take a listener our

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Speaker 2: cut twenty six Z Dogg.

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Speaker 10: And we hear about the nurse who died or who's

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Speaker 10: in critical care after being shot in South Carolina. We

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Speaker 10: now the story out of Baton Rouge Hospital where a

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Speaker 10: nurse was attacked by a patient on a behavioral health unit.

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Speaker 10: And a lot of this is speculation, but even the

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Speaker 10: overall arch of this repoints out how we are devaluing

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Speaker 10: our frontline healthcare professionals, putting them in harm's way and

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Speaker 2: Right there, you're hearing doctor Zubin Domania speaking on TikTok

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Speaker 2: about attacks on nurses and doctors. Right now, the Memphis

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Speaker 2: at the first opportunity, unloads, murdering doctor Benjamin Matt. Doctor

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Speaker 2: angel Arnold with me renowned psychiatrists joining us out of

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Speaker 2: the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at angela Arnold

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Speaker 2: MD dot com. Doctor Angie, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever fear your own patients?

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Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, I'll tell you something. It's my fear is growing.

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Speaker 11: I don't typically fear my own patients because I have

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Speaker 11: see me. But other doctors don't have that. Other doctors

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Speaker 11: don't have that same ability. Because if you're a hand surgeon,

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Speaker 11: people are going to come to you and you don't

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Speaker 11: there are, and I mean, Nancy, I cannot tell you

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Speaker 11: Campbell's clinic was of was in part of my training.

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Speaker 11: And the people don't understand how long it takes to

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Speaker 11: I can imagine what this may have been over. Okay,

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Speaker 11: But he has taken a life that means so much

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Speaker 11: in that community. It will take years, years just to

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Speaker 11: get over this. Can you imagine going to work one

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Speaker 11: day and being shot dead. This is not why we

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Speaker 11: go into medicine. We go into medicine to help people.

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Speaker 11: We have all of our best intentions when we become doctors,

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Speaker 11: and now we have to be scared to go to work.

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Speaker 2: Nancy, actually, doctor Angie, I can imagine it, because that

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Speaker 2: is what happened to my Fami, Say Keith, he went

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Speaker 2: to work and he was gunned down dead on his

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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I can't imagine it. I think

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Speaker 2: part of the shock and the difficulty absorbing what happened

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Speaker 2: it's hard. It's as if the mind is tricking the

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Speaker 2: world is torn apart. When you say that you can

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Speaker 2: screen out certain patients that you believe could hurt you,

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Speaker 2: why are you saying other doctors cannot do that? Don't

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Speaker 11: Well, because you know, when you're a surgeon and peace,

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Speaker 11: they don't have the same barriers to entry.

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Speaker 3: That I do.

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Speaker 11: In my practice. I have a small private practice, and

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Speaker 11: ways that I run my practice all right, that I

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Speaker 11: the patient at the front desk, the patient comes in

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Speaker 11: for surgery. They don't have the kind of barriers to

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Speaker 11: of medicine I practice. Surgeons don't have those kind of barriers.

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Speaker 2: Guys, take a listen hour cut three. Our friends at

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Speaker 4: It has been a very chaotic date here in Carnival

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Speaker 4: as a town mourns the loss of a doctor shot

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Speaker 4: hearts are aching at the loss of doctor Benjamin Malk,

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Speaker 4: an orthopedic surgeon Kyerville police saying he was shot and

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Speaker 7: It's bad, It's horrific. It's terrible, and you know, our

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Speaker 7: thoughts and prayers are with the family.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we are trying to make sense of what we

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Speaker 2: know right now regarding the brutal murder of a top

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Speaker 2: hand surgeon attack in his own offices in Memphis. Joining

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Speaker 2: me as I said an all star panel. But first

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Speaker 2: I want to go to chief investigative reporter with Dailymail

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Speaker 2: dot Com Jen Smith, Jan Smith. We are learning that

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Speaker 2: apparently the perp had been lying in wait outside the

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Speaker 2: doctor's offices for hours before gaining entrance and access to

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Speaker 12: I mean, how terrifying is that, Nancy, for not just

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Speaker 12: the victim here, but everyone who worked there and all

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Speaker 12: the other patients. We don't know where specifically he was

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Speaker 12: lying in wait, if it was outside the clinic. It

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Speaker 12: is called the Campbell Clinic in Collierville, which is around

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Speaker 12: know if he was outside the clinic, if he was

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Speaker 12: in the waiting room. We don't know any of that.

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Speaker 12: But one other thing we have heard is that this

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Speaker 12: wasn't the first time this perp was known or had

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Speaker 12: visited this clinic. According to some of the people who

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Speaker 12: worked here, Nancy, he had been threatening doctor Mark and

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Speaker 12: other people potentially in the clinic for over a week

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Speaker 12: before this happened. But you're right, he was lying in wait. He,

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Speaker 12: you know, thank God didn't take it upon himself to

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Speaker 12: harm anyone else, because this was a busy, working, normal day.

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Speaker 12: There were plenty of people coming in and out, and

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Speaker 12: like the authority said, he had designs on this one surgeon,

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Speaker 12: and once he got his opportunity, he took it.

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Speaker 2: What do we really know about the surgeon who was

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Speaker 2: build in the headlines as being a top surgeon and Memphis,

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Speaker 2: What do we really know to take us tour by one?

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Speaker 13: Doctor Benjamin Mark, according to an article in a Memphis magazine,

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Speaker 13: knew he wanted to be an orthopedic specialist from the

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Speaker 13: grew up in Savannah, Tennessee, and saw a doctor help

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Speaker 3: That's really news. He wanted to help people and become

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Speaker 13: Parents Campbell Clinton says that he wouldn't one to graduate

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Speaker 2: Here in Memphis, Jin joining us Jini quarter with Dailymail

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Speaker 3: Don't miss this.

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Speaker 2: What more do we know about this doctor? Loses back

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Speaker 2: in his own.

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Speaker 3: Well, like you just start there from the clip.

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Speaker 12: He was incredibly dedicated to his profession, really passionate about

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Speaker 12: Since the news of his death emerged, dozens if not

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Speaker 12: you know, the more tragic element here is that he

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Speaker 12: So they are now left dealing with the fallout from this.

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Speaker 12: But all around stand up man, prominent respected physician, and

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Speaker 2: Well, it could be a possible motive for someone to

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Speaker 2: shooting him dead. What could possibly be the motive when

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Speaker 2: you don't know a motive, which of course is not required.

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Speaker 2: It is not required to show motive to a jury.

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Speaker 2: The prosecutor is never asked to crawl into the mind

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Speaker 3: Sort it out.

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Speaker 2: But practically speaking, jurors want to know why when a

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Speaker 2: scenario may not make sense to them, they want the

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Speaker 2: reasoning behind it. Why is it? Matthew man Gino Matthew

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Speaker 2: man Gino, joining US high profile lawyer, former prosecutor, District

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Speaker 15: The medical community in Tulsa reeling from Wednesday's deadly shooting

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Speaker 8: He blamed doctor Phillips for the ongoing pain following the surgery.

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Speaker 5: He came in with the intent to kill doctor Phillips.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And so as a forensic pathologist and the opioid

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Speaker 11: What happened, well, I've been attacked by patients in the

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Speaker 13: You would do his residency at ut Campbell Clinic. Campbell

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Speaker 13: Apparently a passion he truly believed in in an industry

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, doctor Mank was just named

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Speaker 6: Doctor Monck was just named one of the top doctors

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Speaker 5: I think you know if any kid's hands saved the

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Speaker 12: Jen, You know, there are just so much unanswered questions still, Nancy.

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Speaker 12: The local authorities who are handling this investigation are really

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Speaker 14: go back into the office and you murder an innocent doc.

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Speaker 14: So I mean, I think Tennessee has to take a

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Speaker 2: What more do we know about the incident? Take a

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Speaker 2: listen to our cut eleven. This is the chief deal

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Speaker 2: Lane A call you LPD.

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Speaker 7: We do have one fatality and probably all that we're

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Speaker 7: going to release at this point. We did conduct multiple

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Speaker 7: searches of the facility continue to make sure that it

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Speaker 7: build in to ensure that we didn't have anyone that

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Speaker 7: the suspect may have encountered. It's bad, it's horrific, it's terrible,

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Speaker 7: and you know, our thoughts and prayers are with the family.

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Speaker 7: We have made notification to them, and so we're going

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Speaker 7: to continue to pray for them, and I would hope

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Speaker 7: that your viewers would do the same. But that's, you know,

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Speaker 7: out of respect for them and those employees. We don't

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Speaker 3: So it's not a mass shooting.

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Speaker 2: The shooter didn't take down people on his way out

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Speaker 2: or on his way in. This was a targeted attack

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Speaker 2: on what we believe to be a beloved hand surgeon

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Speaker 2: and family man. So how does that jive with the

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Speaker 2: facts that we know? Take a listen now to our

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Speaker 2: cut twenty one Action needs five.

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Speaker 17: According to a police APPI David just after two pm Tuesday,

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Speaker 17: clinic staff said Pickens was quote being treated by doctor

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Speaker 17: Benjamin Mark when mister Pickens removed a pistol from his

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Speaker 17: waistband and fired three rounds at doctor Mack. Doctor Mark

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Speaker 17: was found deceeased inside an exam room with gunshot wounds

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Speaker 17: to his chest, upper abdomen and neck.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter with dailymail

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Speaker 2: dot Com, we understand there was a good bit of

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Speaker 2: planning that went into the shooting of doctor Mack, husband

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Speaker 2: and father. Apparently the shooter came into the offices with

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Speaker 2: a backpack, and in the backpack was the gun and

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Speaker 2: two empty magazines. He came locked and loaded, specifically looking

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Speaker 2: for doctor Mark. He did.

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Speaker 12: That's absolutely right. He knew exactly what he was doing.

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Speaker 12: It seems like he knew exactly who he was looking for.

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Speaker 3: Nan see take a listen to wr EGTV.

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Speaker 4: Police have not identified the suspect, describing the shooting as

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Speaker 4: a one on one encounter that occurred inside an exam room.

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Speaker 3: A gentleman that was with me.

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Speaker 5: He actually told the shooter gren out of the building,

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Speaker 5: and he was letting the officers know that as we

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Speaker 4: A witness on scene to old WRG the suspect had

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Speaker 4: been threatening doctor malk for at least a week. Kyerville

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Speaker 4: Police Chief Dale Lane said during the press conference the

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Speaker 2: I mean doctor Angie, doctor Angela Arnold joining us around

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Speaker 2: psychiatrists out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie, when you

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Speaker 2: are dealing with a patient, does it ever cross your

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Speaker 2: mind this patient could kill me, this patient could attack me.

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Speaker 11: There are some patients that it does cross your mind

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Speaker 11: that that could happen. But what I don't understand is

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Speaker 11: if this guy, why do they know now that this

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Speaker 11: guy was stalking this guy for a week and nobody

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Speaker 11: protected the doctor from him going into his office. Why

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Speaker 11: is that information coming out now, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: I agree if he had been threatened for a week, Hey,

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Speaker 2: what's the motive?

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Speaker 3: B why is he being threatened?

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Speaker 2: And see why they let the guy in time stories

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Speaker 2: with Nancy Grace. We're trying to make sense of a

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Speaker 2: seemingly senseless shooting of a husband, a father, and a

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Speaker 3: What were you saying, doctor Angie?

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Speaker 11: If there are active threats, then have a police officer.

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Speaker 11: The presence of a police officer deters people from doing

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Speaker 11: front desk. Why is everybody so afraid of having a

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Speaker 11: police officer stand somewhere when someone's life is being threatened?

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Speaker 11: You know what, we can't We can't take these things

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Speaker 11: lightly anymore, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: And we also know that the guy lay in wait,

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Speaker 2: he waited for his chance to gun down this doctor.

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Speaker 2: Is there some motive that has escaped us at this point? Guys,

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Speaker 2: take a listen. Our cut fifty wmc TV.

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Speaker 18: We began with breaking news following the tragic death of

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Speaker 18: a beloved Colerville doctor. The gunman who opened fire inside

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Speaker 18: an exam room has officially been charged with murder and

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Speaker 18: aggravated assault.

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Speaker 3: Here he is.

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Speaker 18: This is twenty nine year old Larry Pickens.

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Speaker 3: Colier Wilt Belise Say.

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Speaker 18: Pickens lives in Memphis, and investigators are working with other

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Speaker 18: agencies to see if there were any prior reports files

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Speaker 18: on Pickens.

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Speaker 2: Jen Smith joining US dailymail dot com cheeks investigative reporter Jen.

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Speaker 2: How did they apprehend the shooter?

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Speaker 12: You know in this case, man say, the local law

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Speaker 12: enforcement really did through their job, and they did it well.

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Speaker 12: They arrested Pickens outside the clinics just a few minutes

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Speaker 12: after this shooting took place. So he had shot the doctor,

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Speaker 12: doctor Mark. He then ran through the clinic, you know,

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Speaker 12: breathing past all the other people who were in the

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Speaker 12: the moments afterwards where the cults are looking for him

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Speaker 12: and they end up taking him into custody right outside

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Speaker 12: just a few minutes later.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just trying to figure out what was

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Speaker 2: so important that this guy go in and he was ready,

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Speaker 2: This was premeditated. Matthew Mangino. He goes in with a backpack.

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Speaker 2: In the backpack is a gun, a handgun in two magazines.

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Speaker 2: He waits for his opportunity, goes in, gets alone with

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Speaker 2: the doctor in an exam room and guns him down dead.

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Speaker 2: We are waiting to determine is there some other motive.

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Speaker 2: You know what surprises me, Matthew, is that an assistant

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Speaker 2: wasn't also killed, because typically when you've got one doctor

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Speaker 14: There, all right, so we know you know from that

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Speaker 14: that this is specifically targeted at doctor Monk. This person

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Speaker 14: went there prepared, aired, uh and in a pre meditated

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Speaker 14: manner to kill doctor Mack. The my concern is if

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Speaker 14: doctor Mark was being threatened, you know, why weren't the

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Speaker 14: threats taking more seriously? And I think that is something

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Speaker 14: that this story really hits home on. You can't just

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Speaker 14: blow off a threat, not in this age, not with

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Speaker 14: all the you know, deadly killings across the country, mass killings.

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Speaker 14: You have to take every set threat seriously. Certainly, I

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Speaker 14: know you don't want to have a doctor's office where

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Speaker 14: you have a security guard sitting in the lobby. That

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Speaker 14: doesn't make patience so comfortable necessarily, but you can't just

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Speaker 14: more than anything.

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Speaker 2: Else comes I d a suspect in the cold blooded

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Speaker 3: And again, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not the first time that doctors, nurses, caregivers have been

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Speaker 16: Stephen Pissi got to be friends with doctor Michael Davidson

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Speaker 16: when doctor Davidson was treating Passeri's mother, Marguerite, for some

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Speaker 16: pretty serious heart and lung issues. When Marguerite passed away,

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Speaker 16: Stephen Pissei blamed doctor Davidson for her death. Passeri became

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Speaker 16: fixated on a lung medication the doctor prescribed to his mother,

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Speaker 16: told The Boston Globe that their mother's death was hard

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Speaker 16: still shocked. When Stephen Pissari walked in Brigham and Women's

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Speaker 16: Hospital asked to see doctor Davidson. Then, seeing the doctor

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Speaker 16: outside an examination room, Pisseri pulled a gun and shot

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Speaker 16: doctor Davidson twice, killing the doctor before turning the gun

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Speaker 16: on himself.

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Speaker 2: There you see a targeted attack on a doctor after

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Speaker 2: is that any justification for murder? No, it's not, in

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Speaker 2: fact that it's cold blooded revenge? So what is the

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Speaker 2: motive in the murder of doctor Benjamin Mauk? Again, it

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Speaker 2: happens all too often. Take a listener hour cut nineteen

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Speaker 2: Our friends at Fox five.

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Speaker 19: Grief and shock permeate the Cartersville community. Attorney Antonio'mury was

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Speaker 19: gunned down in his office Wednesday afternoon and the.

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Speaker 10: Doors were open for business like they typically would be,

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Speaker 10: and that's when the suspect came in and fired three shots.

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Speaker 19: Maury represented a woman in a divorce case Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 19: and he felt threatened by his client's husband, Walt Radford.

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Speaker 19: Radford shot Murray, then went to his wife's home, broken

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Speaker 2: In that case, a lawyer representing a client ends up

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Speaker 3: Is that the case here?

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Speaker 2: What was the reason behind this unpredictable shooting? But the

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Speaker 2: staff in Mark's office recognized the shooter. Take a list

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Speaker 2: to our cut twenty Action News five.

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Speaker 17: The shooter who has been charged was a patient at

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Speaker 17: Campbell Clinic. A nurse practitioner telling police that she recognized

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Speaker 17: him from previous visits. Now what caused them to allegedly

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Speaker 17: fire his weapon? That is still under investigation. Twenty nine

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Speaker 17: year old Larry Pickens is facing first degree murder and

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Speaker 17: aggravated assault charges.

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Speaker 2: So to Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter at Dailymail dot com,

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Speaker 2: the staff knew this guy. He was absolutely a patient

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Speaker 2: of doctor Marks.

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Speaker 5: They did.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, they recognized him, and see they knew who

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Speaker 12: do this, of course we still don't know that. But

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Speaker 12: the fact that he had had contact with doctor Mark

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Speaker 12: before that he was a pace, it really moves this

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Speaker 12: could have potentially happened here.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Gorniac, Doctor Jane Gorniac joining US Medical Examiner out

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Speaker 2: of Clark County, that's in Vegas. Doctor Gorniac, when you

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Speaker 2: were doing your rotations getting your medical degree, did you

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Speaker 2: ever feel any fear of patients or people that you

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Speaker 5: I did not. And it's interesting is I'm thinking back

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Speaker 5: taught about safety, your own safety, not just patient safety,

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Speaker 5: but your own safety. And I as a forensic pathologist,

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Speaker 5: obviously my patients aren't the ones I'm afraid of, but

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Speaker 5: they're families. And to give some insight as being a physician,

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Speaker 5: we're in our DNA to help. So no matter how

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Speaker 5: So I've had some situations where I reacted first before

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Speaker 5: my patient's mother's sister holding her back, I may not

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Speaker 5: have gotten out of the house. And then you think about,

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Speaker 5: you know, the patient's father was sitting next to me

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Speaker 5: the couch. And so the next time when I had

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Speaker 5: to go to a family member's home, then I bought

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Speaker 5: the police with me because I'm thinking as a physician,

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Speaker 5: I can talk, you know, I can talk my way

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Speaker 5: I can be sympathetic and they want that from me.

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Speaker 5: But now I have a better insight. Especially with grieving people,

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Speaker 5: you just never know, so you always have to take

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Speaker 5: you know, take care of yourself and your own safety first,

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Speaker 5: including the patient safety.

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Speaker 2: To jasmen joining usdeallymail dot com as we go to air.

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Speaker 2: Now the defendant has actually been in court. What happened

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Speaker 2: he has, Yeah.

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Speaker 12: He made his first initial appearance, Nancy, in front.

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Speaker 14: Of a judge in Colier Belt.

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Speaker 12: It was a very quick appearance. Not much happened at all.

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Speaker 12: He was brought in an orange jumpsuit, he was wearing

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Speaker 12: a medical mask, and he was asked whether or not

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Speaker 12: he could afford his veil, which has been said at

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Speaker 12: one point two million dollars. He shrugged and he responded

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Speaker 12: by saying, I'm not sure. I mean, I think we

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Speaker 12: all know that he probably cannot forth this bail. After that,

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Speaker 12: he was taken back to custody and he's going to

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Speaker 12: be back in court on July twentieth, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: So he obviously is in his right mind, saying I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I can afford that one point two

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Speaker 2: million dollar mind or not, judge, he.

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Speaker 3: Clearly knows what's going on.

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Speaker 2: He was not out of his mind at the time

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Speaker 2: he gunned down a renowned Memphis surgeon, leaving a wife

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Speaker 2: and children now alone. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye,

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