WEBVTT - Eric Edson: The Burlington Bandit

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a production of iHeartRadio. And there you are here.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been over here waiting for you for three hours?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you at a three minutes? I just walked in.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt a little bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I just walked in, Atio, So I got a question

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<v Speaker 2>for you. You're here, Yes, sir? Do you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 1>I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank goodness, you do want to share with me?

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Research indicates seventy nine percent of shoppers are drawn

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<v Speaker 1>to themed products and sixty nine percent actively seek out

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<v Speaker 1>limited edition formats.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you this because I have a mashup. And

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<v Speaker 1>before I get into it, you want to blame someone,

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<v Speaker 1>Blame Simone Rodriguez.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that your other name? No?

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<v Speaker 1>She goes by Scorpio Crochet on Instagram. Very talented.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>She sent us a DM and said she'd never forwarded

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<v Speaker 1>something as fast as this. God and it had a

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<v Speaker 1>picture on this sort of meme and a picture sure

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<v Speaker 1>of this what I'm going to tell you about. Underneath

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<v Speaker 1>it it said toilet's gonna look like Chernobyl right after.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, buckle up, buttercup, I'm talking to you.

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<v Speaker 1>So have you ever watched that show Stranger.

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<v Speaker 2>Things the first season and I got bored.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've never seen it, but it's got like a

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<v Speaker 1>bald lady, bald little girl. Yeah yeah, yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're all old people now, yeah, they're all.

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<v Speaker 2>Grown up totally. They got to be going on for

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<v Speaker 2>like eighteen years something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a longer than SVU anyway. So they teamed

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<v Speaker 1>up with Doritos.

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<v Speaker 2>And toilet company teamed up the.

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<v Speaker 1>Toilet Stranger Things.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, I'm so on the Chernobyl toilet.

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<v Speaker 1>Toilet, toilet Duck and Doritos are back together. No toilet,

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<v Speaker 1>Doritos and Stranger Things. You know, I guess there's a

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<v Speaker 1>new season coming out or they're a rest home.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got to be the last one, right, I would pray.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen it. I just like making these cracks

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm an insider. So they have like old school

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<v Speaker 1>looking bags of chips, like the old style Doritos, like

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<v Speaker 1>the or whatever. Yeah, so they're doing that. But then

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<v Speaker 1>they have something and apparently it looks to me like

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<v Speaker 1>it's only in the UK, which is a bummer because

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly would try this.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe should travel there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Dorito's black Garlic dip never had black garlic. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a friend who ferments garlic to make black garlic.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course you do, and yeah, of course you food.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a creamy texture, bold flavor profile, and charcoal

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<v Speaker 1>black color. It's you know, kind of for Halloween. Also

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Possier, he's the marketing director at to Rito's. You

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<v Speaker 1>can blame him. He said, the black garlic dip is

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<v Speaker 1>designed to elevate the snacking experience, perfectly pairing with our

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<v Speaker 1>chips for memorable moments. He sounds like's brother, you just

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<v Speaker 1>think about your elevating your snacking experience. You're just like

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<v Speaker 1>going to town on a bag of Dorito's by yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>light of television, sitting on the floor in your own filth,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, this is a memorable moment. This is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm showing you a picture. I'll have them put it

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. It doesn't so much look black. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>navy blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Qu construction product blue.

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<v Speaker 1>It changes hours, it doubles as it it's a new

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<v Speaker 1>age polymer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it would glue.

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<v Speaker 1>From amalgamated Dorito's brands.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so ridiculous. The end it's two pounds fifty in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK when it comes out, So all of my

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<v Speaker 1>UK pals out there try it. Let me know, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be envious because I would kind of like to try

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<v Speaker 1>a black garlic dip. Sure, what if it's like Tom, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know I love you do Love Tomb, Yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 2>could be equivalent, just.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like black tomb. Yeah, ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll go with that stamp and ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you got a second cause I got some mony

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I got all day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay. There have been a few escape artists that

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<v Speaker 2>we've featured on this show, but I gotta say not

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<v Speaker 2>since PCP Super Spy Guy, have we had such an

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<v Speaker 2>epic chase, especially not one that devolves as many vehicles

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<v Speaker 2>as this. Oh yit. He's on two wheels, he's on

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<v Speaker 2>four wheels. He's coming by land, he's coming by sea.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Elizabeth, he is this guy. He tried like a

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<v Speaker 2>hell to get away. He was like, cowgun, take me away.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a whole caper of escapes and it's certified ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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<v Speaker 2>Hest and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 2>and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh oh, I'm gonna start howling all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I'm gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a Howler. There you go. That's that would work,

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<v Speaker 2>like Howler monkey, no tail. So, Elizabeth, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>know about New England?

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<v Speaker 1>It is a new version of Old England. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's charming, upper right corner on the map. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the state's there. They're very different from what we have

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<v Speaker 2>out west, like as you know, I spent some time there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and for a Californian like you or ostensibly me, it

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<v Speaker 2>can be weird how small the states are. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's wild, Like you can be in Massachusetts and then

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<v Speaker 2>pop over the border to Connecticut or Vermont just to

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<v Speaker 2>buy your groceries, like that's just down the street is

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<v Speaker 2>across the border. Again, for someone from the West, like

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<v Speaker 2>driving around it can feel wild, like we drive four

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<v Speaker 2>hours and you won't even make it to La from

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>You go four hours east and you might be getting

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<v Speaker 1>into Nevada.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, totally from here there, Yeah, but like four

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<v Speaker 2>hours there across from four or five States. I know

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<v Speaker 2>all about to say, Elizabeth, please allow me to introduce

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<v Speaker 2>you to life in small town Vermont, specifically Walcott, Vermont.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where our story begins.

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<v Speaker 1>That they make Ben and Jerry's Yeah, that's okay, where

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<v Speaker 1>it is right there? Wait, Elbean, that's main.

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<v Speaker 2>That's main. Yeah, with the duck boots.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to orient myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that Massachusetts. That's the Bay Colony.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a good fisherman sweater. I've been to Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. Is that New England, Massachusetts? Yes, it

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<v Speaker 2>is so. Walcott, Vermont was named for a signer of

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<v Speaker 2>the Declaration of Independence, because I think almost everything back

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<v Speaker 2>there is General Oliver Walcott, Okay, Oliver, Yeah, Oliver Walcott,

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<v Speaker 2>not just some of Walcott now, despite the fact it's

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<v Speaker 2>been around for damn near the whole history of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. In twenty twenty, the population of the town,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the census, was a mere sixteen hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventy people.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixteen hundred, yes, small all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, just to be New England. Confusing an insular in

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Walcott, there's also the village of Walcott, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an unincorporated village with the exact same name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a Russian nesting dolls of Walcott pack.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that it's a virtue to be parsimonious,

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<v Speaker 2>like in New England they're like, oh, yes, be like

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<v Speaker 2>frugal and smart with your money and with your time

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<v Speaker 2>and energy. But I think they could have spared the

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<v Speaker 2>effort to come up with a different name for the village,

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<v Speaker 2>like come on, live a little New England.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the new Gidea Center Walcott.

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<v Speaker 2>How many licks does it take to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>village of Walcott. Anyway, back to the town of Walcott, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the small town is not exactly a prosperous place to live.

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<v Speaker 2>The median income I look this up is this is

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<v Speaker 2>not per adult, this is per household. That's how you

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<v Speaker 2>figure media income. It's thirty four thousand, seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes sense for a rural area.

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<v Speaker 2>Now add in the average income for a man in Walcott,

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<v Speaker 2>Vermont is twenty seven and ninety eight dollars. The average

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<v Speaker 2>income for a woman in Walcott is twenty one nine

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<v Speaker 2>and five dollars. Yeah, right, which means roughly fifteen percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the town population is just below the poverty line

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<v Speaker 2>right off the bat, Elizabeth, do you know about the

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<v Speaker 2>poverty line in the US, and like how it's calculated.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not calculated by household income, which is what I

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<v Speaker 2>thought is calculated by individual income. Yeah, and individuals residing

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<v Speaker 2>in a household correct. Yeah, So you want to take

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<v Speaker 2>a guess at what the current poverty line is for

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<v Speaker 2>a single individual in the United States? What the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a year? You know, I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>it's something absolutely insanely low where you think there's no

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<v Speaker 1>way you could survive on that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're close yours, You're spot on.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it like seventeen thousand or some really good?

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Department of Health and Human Services website

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty twenty five, for one person, the poverty line

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<v Speaker 2>is fifteen thousand, six hundred and fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in real life federal. It's across the IRL. It's

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<v Speaker 1>above way above.

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<v Speaker 2>That, well one hundred percent. But that's for all of

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<v Speaker 2>that's federal, so it doesn't matter if you're in California

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<v Speaker 2>or in Walcott. Now, for a household with two people

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<v Speaker 2>living in the poverty line is twenty one thousand for

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<v Speaker 2>a household with three people living in it's twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and six fifty, whereas if you have four people

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<v Speaker 2>in your household, the poverty line is thirty two thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty dollars. I bring all this up

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<v Speaker 2>to point out one the nature of statistics in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and how they're disconnected from reality, but also

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<v Speaker 2>be because none of those are reasonable amounts to live on. No, like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six thousand dollars twenty six, six hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>for three people, that works out to be twenty dollars

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<v Speaker 2>per month. That's before taxes are taken out. And then

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<v Speaker 2>have you seen the price of meat lately? I mean, no,

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<v Speaker 2>wonder Hamburger Helper is flying off the showw you know

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<v Speaker 2>I just did. Anyway, that's the backdrop for this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard times in rural America and the poverty that grips

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<v Speaker 2>the people in those regions, which is very real.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are rural areas in every state in the Union.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent, maybe one thousand percent. How big a

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<v Speaker 2>percent can I get out the President's way up there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go that far, but thirteen thousand percent, So.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the backdrop that basically this was what motivates

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<v Speaker 2>today's anti hero the hard times in a rural America. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, this story is something of a two parter,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's start with part A or part one. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>On December first, twenty twenty, our anti hero Eric Edson

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<v Speaker 2>saw an opportunity. There was this trailer parked behind a workshop.

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<v Speaker 2>Sitting on top of the trailer was a mini excavator

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<v Speaker 2>or as your nephew would say, excavator excavator. Now, along

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<v Speaker 2>with the excavator was also a DR Power wheelbarrow, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>in case you don't know what a DR Power wheelbarrow is,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to help. According to the dr website quote,

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<v Speaker 2>the pro Power wagon can haul up to seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>pounds with ease, features a powerful electric starting engine, and

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<v Speaker 2>a modular cargo bed with removable end panel. So you

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<v Speaker 2>think of it kind of like my e bike, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a wheelbarrow powered wheels.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool, right sure. I mean, if you're moving

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<v Speaker 1>like loads of bricks completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Any assisted labor like that, yeah, it's definitely cool. But

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<v Speaker 2>along with just carrying my lazy butt to the to

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen, to get to the water.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like sometimes I used to wish that I had

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<v Speaker 1>a motorized bed with wheel and that's how I'd go

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<v Speaker 1>to work. You not get out of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>In Davis, there's a guy he'd made a motorized couch.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember, right around on the couch. It's like such

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<v Speaker 2>an early burning man thing, same theory. Now, along with

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<v Speaker 2>this power equipment, there were also a few bags of

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<v Speaker 2>cement on the trailer. So all told, there's an excavator

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<v Speaker 2>worth twelve thousand dollars, the power wheelbarrow worth about two grand.

0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.600
<v Speaker 2>The bags of cement, they were like the icing on

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<v Speaker 2>the this felonious cake worth Yeah. So when Eric Etson

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<v Speaker 2>sees all this value just sitting there, what does he do? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>of course he thinks to himself, how can I steal that?

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<v Speaker 2>That's gotta be worth something on the black market. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>just the trailer itself was worth four grand, and you

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<v Speaker 2>steal the trailer and all that comes with it. So

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<v Speaker 2>Edson's he backs up his Toyota pickup truck attaches the trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>Then smooth is like melting ice cream rolling down a

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<v Speaker 2>child's hand. Off he goes. Now for reasons only, Edson

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<v Speaker 2>can explain he didn't go directly to like a garage

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<v Speaker 2>and like high or like a crime layer or anything. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he takes his new stolen booty on like a tour

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<v Speaker 2>of the town. This why not, Yeah, it's in our land, pirate.

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<v Speaker 2>He just drives around town for at least an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume he's driving around, like hitting up different people

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<v Speaker 2>he knew who might be in the market for a

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<v Speaker 2>hot dr power wheelbarrow excavator.

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<v Speaker 1>Listening to Madonnas this used to be my playground most likely.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think he may have been in no judgment,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm guessing he had trouble finding maybe a drug

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<v Speaker 2>dealer who wanted to trade for a mini excavator.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's be real, like, where are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to move something like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's only so many construction people in

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<v Speaker 2>the town of sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The local consignment shop.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we take for the trailer? The whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>fully loaded? Either way. After an hour him driving around

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<v Speaker 2>town with a stolen trailer, he's spotted by a sheriff's deputy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a town of sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's very small town. There's not much town's over

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<v Speaker 2>exactly there's not much town to drive around anyway. The

0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.400
<v Speaker 2>deputy had heard about the stolen trailer, so he turns

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<v Speaker 2>on his lights and sirens. He loves exactly pulls over Edson.

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<v Speaker 2>So this thief he complies. He pulls over on the

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<v Speaker 2>side of the road, and then when the deputy steps

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<v Speaker 2>out of his patrol car, Edson floors it. He takes

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<v Speaker 2>off his little Toyota pickup trailers off with the attached

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<v Speaker 2>to olen trail with a full paload trip totally. So

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<v Speaker 2>the deputy just runs back to his cruiser, hops in

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<v Speaker 2>he gives chase. So now we got the Sheriff's deputy

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<v Speaker 2>in high speed pursuit of the Toyota pickup with the

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<v Speaker 2>trailer loaded down with the mini excavator and the dr

0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:31.520
<v Speaker 2>power wheelbarrow. Meanwhile, Edson, he's driving like an amateur NASCAR driver, right,

0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.360
<v Speaker 2>he's this high speed car chase reaches top speeds of

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five miles per hour. I'm talking over hill and

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<v Speaker 2>Dale Elizabeth through snowy woods like he's Robert Frost. He's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get away, right. Edson's taking side roads, He's

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<v Speaker 2>taking dirt roads. He's like in the dukes of Hazzard.

0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.360
<v Speaker 2>But he like he thinks he can ditch this small

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<v Speaker 2>town deputy, the small down deputys like, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>Hazard County, and I am not Roscoe Pea coletrane Son,

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<v Speaker 2>and you damn she ain't one of the duke boys. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>at one point, the trailer becomes unhitched like not like

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<v Speaker 2>it gets divorced and it's on mayor yeah, unhitched like

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<v Speaker 2>it's now he is no longer connected to the truck,

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<v Speaker 2>except for Edson had done the due diligence before he

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<v Speaker 2>drove off with the stolen trailer. You see, he'd attached

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<v Speaker 2>the emergency chains for this exact possibility. God, yeah, in

0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.839
<v Speaker 2>case the trailer got undone from the pickup truck.

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<v Speaker 1>For the blight.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly probably most likely, I mean about it. So now

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<v Speaker 2>the trailer is swimming around behind his little Toyota pick

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<v Speaker 2>up as Edson tries like held us straight in the

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<v Speaker 2>curves and flatten the hills, and he loses the sheriff's

0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.520
<v Speaker 2>deputy on those country back roads. So I guess at

0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.680
<v Speaker 2>this point when he's like, okay, I ditched the deputy,

0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.600
<v Speaker 2>where should I go? He goes back into town. According

0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to local news reports, Edson eventually drives into the North

0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Hyde Park Fire Department parking lot, like like really sun anyway,

0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:48.760
<v Speaker 2>next thing you know, he drives across the lawns of

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<v Speaker 2>two different homes, and his whole dukes of hazard escape

0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.840
<v Speaker 2>plan finally ends when he crashes his Toyota truck into

0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.920
<v Speaker 2>a stone wall. Boom. Yeah. At this point, he hops

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<v Speaker 2>out makes a break for it. He's like, well, forget

0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.520
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff, wasn't my truck. Anyway, he runs through

0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.280
<v Speaker 2>the woods, he makes the tree line Elizabeth. He manages

0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.600
<v Speaker 2>to ditch the deputy again. So the deputy then calls

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<v Speaker 2>in the canine units. Because even this town, as small

0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.480
<v Speaker 2>as they were, I guess maybe a neighboring town or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this town I don't know, had canine units. Dogs

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<v Speaker 2>are turned loose in the woods. They go off barking

0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.000
<v Speaker 2>off after him, slippery as he is. The police dogs

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<v Speaker 2>were successful. They catch up to Edson at this like

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<v Speaker 2>babbling brook, which the news stories were always keen to

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<v Speaker 2>point out, They're we got a babbling brook. I'm like,

0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.800
<v Speaker 2>is there another kind of brook, isn't there? Like yeah,

0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.800
<v Speaker 2>like a gossipy brook. So, once he's cornered and caught,

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<v Speaker 2>the deputies arrived, they handcuff them, arrest him, and know

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<v Speaker 2>when he's arrested, the cops find meth and suboxone in

0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.120
<v Speaker 2>his pockets. A suboxone, if you're not familiar, is typically

0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.840
<v Speaker 2>used as an opioid treatment for medication. However, folks can

0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.640
<v Speaker 2>get addicted to it since it's essentially a low grade opioid.

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<v Speaker 2>So at this point in the Lamielle County Superior Court,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one year old Eric Edson of Burlington, Vermont now

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<v Speaker 2>pleads guilty on charges of grand larceny and running from

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<v Speaker 2>the police. He's initially given seven years behind bars. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's reduced to seventeen months in prison. Wow. Now that

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<v Speaker 2>was my man, Eric Edson's first time running from the law,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least the first time he got caught. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's just to introduce you to his modus operandi aka

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<v Speaker 2>the dukes of hazard of meth. Now, next up we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into his much wilder chase. It was so epic

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<v Speaker 2>even the Coastguard got involved.

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<v Speaker 1>What.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but first these messages and will be back in

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. We're back, Elizabeth. Hey, So now and he

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<v Speaker 2>asked you another question, Yeah, what do you know about

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<v Speaker 2>Burlington Vermont aka home of the Burlington Kochek.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, is there a factory there? Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>that's about all I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Placing my finger to my ear, I'm being told that

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<v Speaker 2>is not correct. Burlington Cote Factory is not from Burlington, Vermont,

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<v Speaker 2>which I always assumed is said. The company of the

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<v Speaker 2>full name Burlington Coat Factory Warehouse Corporation was founded in

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<v Speaker 2>Burlington Township, New Jersey. So they try and play it off,

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<v Speaker 2>right yeaheah. They don't act like we're from New Jersey.

0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:22.720
<v Speaker 2>It's much more like we're from Vermont.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're trying to you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The fun fact Burlington Cote Factory was founded by a librarian.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting she saved up her money and decided to get

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<v Speaker 2>into the coke game. Hey, I don't know. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of coats were left in the library. She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I could move these way. Back in nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 2>Henrietta Milstein talked to her husband Monroe, into taking the

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five grand she'd saved up working as a librarian

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<v Speaker 2>and invested in a former factory outlet store in where

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<v Speaker 2>Burlington Township, New Jersey. Seventy five grand that was The

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<v Speaker 2>down payment for the full price for the former factory

0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.800
<v Speaker 2>outlet store was six hundred and seventy five thousand back

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy two. Whoa, Now, the first store was

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<v Speaker 2>the success, which led to a second store, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the third store and a fourth store, and you get

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a beautiful story.

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<v Speaker 2>Not founded in Burlington, Vermont, as I've always assumed. So

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<v Speaker 2>what is Burlington, Vermont actually known for? Great question? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>turns out the answer is nothing. No, I can't, I can't. Burlington,

0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Vermont is a charmingtown. I've been through there numerous times.

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<v Speaker 2>For one, is the largest most populous city in the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Vermont, population forty seven and forty three.

0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Wow right wow.

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<v Speaker 2>By hometown a small town Davis, California when I grew up,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like fifty two thousand, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>like a small We're considered a college town. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the most populous city in Vermont. That's according

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<v Speaker 2>last census data. Now, the city of Burlington, which is

0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.160
<v Speaker 2>its official name City of Burlington, is primarily a college town,

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<v Speaker 2>also home to Champlain College and the University of Vermont. Also,

0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.800
<v Speaker 2>it's a popping hub for renewable energy. I learned. Notably,

0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.800
<v Speaker 2>it's the first city in the US to be powered

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<v Speaker 2>solely by renewable energy. Go on Burlington, and at one

0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.160
<v Speaker 2>time it was the third largest lumber market in the world.

0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.480
<v Speaker 2>That was in the nineteenth century. So that's the longer

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<v Speaker 2>the case world. So why am I telling you this.

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<v Speaker 1>All about Burlington Vermont?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Well, another great question, Elizabeth. I'm just you're coming

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<v Speaker 2>with your a game. Love that love your curiosity. The

0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.920
<v Speaker 2>reason I'm telling you about Burlington, Vermont is because that's

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<v Speaker 2>called setting the stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is that what this is is? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Burlington is where Eric Edson, our Crimer the Day, is

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<v Speaker 2>from and where he would make his name as an

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<v Speaker 2>escape artist. The story goes on August twenty fourth, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, Edson walks into a store. What store, the

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<v Speaker 2>Sierra Trading Post on five five five Shelbourne Road, come

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<v Speaker 2>down and visit in Burlington, Vermont. Once inside, he gets

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<v Speaker 2>to shopping. Trouble is, he doesn't have the funds to

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<v Speaker 2>pay for his fines. So what does he do? He

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<v Speaker 2>tries to walk out with the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just put it back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, He's like, no, no, I got it in my hands,

0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.080
<v Speaker 2>already really attached these just his shirt would be dope

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<v Speaker 2>on me. So he tries to make it out the door.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he got out the door because, as the

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<v Speaker 2>police bulletin states, quote when I see the era, a

0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.480
<v Speaker 2>trading post employee asked Edson to return the merchandise to

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.600
<v Speaker 2>the store. Edson told the employee, dude, I'll blow your

0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.560
<v Speaker 2>head off. Whoa, and partially pulled an item that appeared

0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.760
<v Speaker 2>to be a firearm from his hooded sweatshirt pocket. So

0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.920
<v Speaker 2>apparently this employee thought to himself, I don't get paid

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<v Speaker 2>enough to stop this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's pulling a gun out of the kangaroo pocket

0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.400
<v Speaker 1>in his hoodie. Exactly, No, were some outdoor gear.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you want to know the stolen goods, his

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<v Speaker 2>haul of merch it consisted of one a backpack, eleven shirts,

0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.240
<v Speaker 2>a pair of sneakers, a pair of socks, and a

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<v Speaker 2>water jug o. Yeah, definitely not worth getting your head below.

0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:37.480
<v Speaker 1>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Altogether, the stolen booty was valued at a grand total

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.840
<v Speaker 2>of three hundred and seventy four dollars. Yeah. So once

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<v Speaker 2>the employee backs off at this point, Edson runs over

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<v Speaker 2>to his waiting vehicle tosses in his ill gotten gains,

0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.679
<v Speaker 2>and then the land pirate drives off. Yeah, this is

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.960
<v Speaker 2>how our story begins. Flash forward to a week later,

0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.159
<v Speaker 2>August thirtieth, twenty twenty three. Yeah, two officers from the

0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Burlington PD are called out to do a welfare check.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems someone has spotted this dude quote passed out

0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.360
<v Speaker 2>in a running vehicle. So now these two officers respond

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 2>to the call and they quickly locate the vehicle and

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.479
<v Speaker 2>the still passed out man. Officers step out of their

0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:16.159
<v Speaker 2>patrol car. They walk over to the vehicle and I

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.200
<v Speaker 2>assend like I'm imagining the tapping night stick on the window.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure anyway, Oh, I forgot to mention the vehicle matched

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<v Speaker 2>the description of the car using the robbery at Sierra

0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Trading Post a week prior.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh detail.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so their officers have a reason to believe this

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<v Speaker 2>might be the same guy the robber who, as I

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<v Speaker 2>remind you, flashed what looked to be a gun. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Kausea cops approach. They're a little bit wary about

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<v Speaker 2>confronting the passed out man because he could wake up,

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.640
<v Speaker 2>get scared, start blasting. However, since it is their job

0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:44.919
<v Speaker 2>to wake come up. They carefully rouse the man and

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<v Speaker 2>they check to see if he's still alive. Elizabeth, he

0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.919
<v Speaker 2>is still alive, very much alive, indeed. And when he

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 2>wakes up and there are two police officers staring down

0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:57.159
<v Speaker 2>at him through the window, he gets heated. No, and

0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I quote from the police, he became belligerent and uncoopered. So,

0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.160
<v Speaker 2>but that's not all. Apparently the man was no fan

0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.199
<v Speaker 2>of cops, so or perhaps he was worried that they

0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 2>were there about the whole Sierra Trading Post incident. I

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.639
<v Speaker 2>don't know what his motivation was, but what I do

0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:13.600
<v Speaker 2>know is this, since his car was already running and

0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.320
<v Speaker 2>he's now wide awake and in the driver's seat, there's

0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.280
<v Speaker 2>only one other thing he needs to do, which is

0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.239
<v Speaker 2>pressed down on that gas battle which is empty, right,

0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it's right there, So he puts it in gear and

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:26.439
<v Speaker 2>he floors it. Problem was, the cops were apparently on

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.600
<v Speaker 2>either side or somehow close enough to the car that,

0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.560
<v Speaker 2>as the police report states, quote, he fled at a

0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:35.439
<v Speaker 2>high rate of speed, assaulting both officers with the vehicle

0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.479
<v Speaker 2>and the process. So they go off their feet. And

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to worry about them. They were uninjured.

0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.199
<v Speaker 2>They just got knocked down, knocked back, eyes with how

0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 2>I imagine it. Anyway, the cops raced back to their cruiser

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:49.680
<v Speaker 2>and began to chase them in, but try as they might,

0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:53.720
<v Speaker 2>my old land pirate Eric Edson gets away His getaway

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 2>vehicles next spotted where he abandons it in a place

0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.280
<v Speaker 2>called the North Avenue Cooperative. Now I was thinking, oh,

0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.119
<v Speaker 2>this is Ramont North, I have a new cooperative. I

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.159
<v Speaker 2>bet it's some like commune, like a bunch of like

0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 2>aging hippies that are wrong. It was described in local

0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.600
<v Speaker 2>news as quote a manufactured home park in Burlington's New

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 2>North End. Okay, so I'm pretty sure that means like

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 2>in newspeak, a trailer park.

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Trailer park.

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, the officers from Burlington PD attempt

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:19.919
<v Speaker 2>to seize the abandoned vehicle, but while they're waiting for

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the tow truck the cops they spot a man watching

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:24.879
<v Speaker 2>them who's not too far away. He seems to me

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.320
<v Speaker 2>watching them with intent. So, as you guessed it, it's

0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the purp Edson are police have Eric blocked his access

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:34.080
<v Speaker 2>to what I assume is his stolen vehicle, so he

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.240
<v Speaker 2>does the next best thing. He hooks it. He runs off,

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.560
<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't run for very long because next thing

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, he steals a bicycle and he attempts to

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.840
<v Speaker 2>get away on his new hot bike. Also, it seems

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:47.159
<v Speaker 2>he may have still had the same firearm, because multiple

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.959
<v Speaker 2>eyewitnesses later claimed to have seen him brandishing the handgun.

0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.240
<v Speaker 2>So he's on this hot bike waving a handgun around,

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>like get away from me or whatever. So he's riding

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 2>around a small town on a stolen bike waving a gun.

0:23:57.800 --> 0:23:59.919
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't take Edson long to do the math. He realizes

0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.440
<v Speaker 2>he's going to get caught, so he's like, how far

0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.359
<v Speaker 2>can I go fling on two wheels? I'm going to

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 2>need a new getaway vehicle. Yeah, Elizabeth, you want to

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 2>guess what he steals next?

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.879
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what he could be stealing.

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 2>For your first hint, Edson rides his stolen bike down

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:17.879
<v Speaker 2>to a place called Apple Tree Bay. Once there, he

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.679
<v Speaker 2>ditches the bike. He spots a much better getaway vehicle,

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:21.720
<v Speaker 2>a sailboat.

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, And he's like a sailboat, not even

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>like a craft.

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 2>No, No, that would be like makes too much sense.

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:32.840
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I almost something I could live on. So

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 2>he's like time for this lampirate to take to the seas.

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.880
<v Speaker 2>So that's exactly what he does. He steals the sailboat

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 2>and like Enya and the Orinoco Flow, he tries to

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 2>sail away, sail away Christopher Cross. Right. So the police

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.199
<v Speaker 2>they can't just commandeer sailboats and they're like tarn it.

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 2>So then they do the next best thing. They contact

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 2>the coast guard. We're going to need you to bring

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 2>in somebody. And they're like, just name the boat, right, Yeah,

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 2>he's on a lady's pleasure. It's just come up. So

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>they asked the coast guard to catch this purp.

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't take the coast guard long to spot Edson

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 2>in his stolen sailboat. I don't know if he's like

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.879
<v Speaker 2>just like like, you know, tacking incorrectly. When you run one.

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Motor to get out, you know of like, uh, you

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:18.880
<v Speaker 1>know a harbor, harbor, you.

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Don't you don't go very fast, No you're not supposed to.

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 1>But it also just can't.

0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:24.879
<v Speaker 2>Then once you get out in the open seas, you

0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:26.120
<v Speaker 2>still don't go very fast.

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Whole tail in a sailboat with the motor. Now, but

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.680
<v Speaker 1>when the winds up and you get yeah, sure, get

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 1>some speed, but still you could be all America's cups

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>slicing through the water.

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like a coast guard cutter.

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, forget about that. You know, game over.

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 2>So they intercept him on the open seas pretty quickly

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 2>and using their coast guard boat. I don't know if

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:45.639
<v Speaker 2>it was a coast guard cutter, but it'll say a

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 2>coast guard boat. They forced Edson to turn back for land.

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:50.919
<v Speaker 2>They're like, go back to where you belong.

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 1>They just like circled around in like the donuts.

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:57.160
<v Speaker 2>So at this point Edson is fully committed to getting away.

0:25:57.200 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I've come too far. So he doesn't give up.

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 2>He damned does not the coastguard to tell him what

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.120
<v Speaker 2>to do or board his stolen sailboat. So he does

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.199
<v Speaker 2>head for the like what they're what they're telling him to do.

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 2>He heads for land, but he doesn't stop there. He

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 2>just runs right into land. He runs a sailboat aground.

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I'm taking like I'm talking like. He smashes the

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 2>boat into like the base of a cliff, a place

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 2>called rock Point, which I have to assume these are

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>rocky cliffs, sure, because I do know that all I

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.359
<v Speaker 2>know is this, I'll tell you what I do know Edson.

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.120
<v Speaker 2>He can't just like run aground on sandy shores. One

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 2>there's the keel of the sailboat. I think something deep

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 2>because eventually he's forced to leap from the boat onto

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.639
<v Speaker 2>wet rocks. And what we do know for sure is,

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.240
<v Speaker 2>as the police report states he abandoned the craft.

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like he's going out of his way at every

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 1>step to make it worse.

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 2>The next Edson continues on foot, he now does his

0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 2>patented Edson move. He runs off into the woods, and

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the one the woods that surround the cliffs at Rock Point.

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.120
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, you know, it's like when in doubt,

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>head for the woods. That's what my daddy taught me exactly.

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.920
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, officers the local Colchester Police Department

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 2>arrive on the scene to help catch this slippery purf.

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 2>But those officers, they're up at the top of the cliffs,

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>and thus they couldn't locate Edson down where he is

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 2>because he's below them and he's run into the woods.

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 2>But they can see him kind of like darting between

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the trees. So they call out to him, like, hey, buddy,

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>where have you surrounded, come out with your hands up.

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 2>The cops trive this multiple times to quote, make contact

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and start negotiations. So now we have a multi jurisdictional

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.679
<v Speaker 2>task force of officers working the same scene. You have

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 2>the Coast guardsmen from the Coast Guard working the shore.

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 2>You have the original Burlington cops working alongside with cops

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.639
<v Speaker 2>from the Colchester PD. They're soon joined by officers from

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.959
<v Speaker 2>the University of Vermont PD, along with canine cops from

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the Essex Police Department. Total task force. Meanwhile, the Burlington

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 2>PD turns to yet another agency for help, the Vermont

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Department of Fish and Wildlife. Everybody, he's in the woods Elizabeth.

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 2>They're like, well, that's your jurisdiction. So, according to BPD,

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.119
<v Speaker 2>as the police the latter report and their bulletin on

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the ongoing manhunt, quote, it was thanks to their efforts

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 2>that BPD personnel was able to get on to shore

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 2>to search the Rock Point area. Now, altogether, with all

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>this assistance, this task force of multiple law enforcement agencies,

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>they still cannot find or locate Edson or apprehend him.

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Even with the canine unit on the case. This time,

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 2>he's able to evade the dogs so he escapes fully

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 2>into the woods. So the police, the cops, they turned

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 2>to the public for help. They put out bulletins with

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 2>photos of Edson and they basically tell the public, if

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.639
<v Speaker 2>you see this man, call us for now. Up to

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>August thirty first. One week later, the Burlington PD put

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 2>out yet another police bulletin. It's an update on their

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>manhunt and the update is Edson is spotted in a

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>neighboring town in nearby Fairfax, Vermont. Their officers informed the

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 2>public quote, police are seeking the public's help and locating

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 2>a man who was involved in an armed robbery and

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 2>pursued in Burlington last week. Police release surveillance photos of

0:28:57.560 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Eric Edson today. The fifty two year old has wanted

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>for the robbery of a man on Goose Pond Road.

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Edson has also wondered for the theft of multiple vehicles

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 2>in Cambridge and Fairfax. So you want to take a

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 2>guess at what new to him vehicle Edson at this

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 2>point has stolen for his prolonged flight from the law.

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea.

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Stop guessing, Elizabeth, you never guess.

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll never guess it.

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 2>As the Fairfax PD explained in their bulletin. Edson has

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 2>quote been most recently seen operating a full sized John

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Deere tractor in the Fairfax area. No, but his means

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>of transportation at this point are unknown.

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>He's just going for slower and slower vehicles.

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>He's like, it's slow, let's wrong, I'll do it. So

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 2>he's now got this big hass green and yellow John

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Deere tractor as his getaway vehicle in small town from

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 2>hot I also, I have to assume he is not

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 2>sober for most of his Did he stole a John

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Dear tractor?

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Tractor jack? Somebody like out there in the field just

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>shoved him off.

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I think he came upon like a basically a house

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and he saw the tractor was just sitting at jack

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 2>up on a guy get off the track, shoves him off,

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>his hand in his pouch pocket for his exactly stealing

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>a full sized tractor. That just smacks of being high

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>as hell. In my book, that's methad logic, right. And

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 2>it's not like he's gonna steal a tractor and be

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 2>like I'm going to make a run for the Canadian border.

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, there's no logic to any of them.

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 2>None whatsoever. You cannot find a path to loge.

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to stop and say, now, honestly, how do

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you think this is going to play out?

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't be laughing, But apparently the police chief of Burlington,

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 2>John Murrad, knew that people would be laughing because he

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>came forward to warn the public that quote. Because of

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the unusualness of mister Edson's various modes of flight, from

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>cars to bikes, to paddle boards, to sailboats to tractors,

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>it's easy to lose sight of the fact that mister

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Edson is a dangerous person. Don't you laugh?

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Guys, He's silly, but he's dangerous.

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's still likely ar yeah, his packet. He also,

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 2>by the way, the gun could be a water gun.

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Nobody has seen him fire it or even really get ready.

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, it could just be like, hey, I got

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>a gun. It could could be a toy gun. Who knows. Anyway,

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 2>So we have this dude probably flying high on math,

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>possibly armed with the fire arm, possibly arm with the

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 2>water gun, whatever, stealing whatever he can go that goes slowly. Yeah,

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>So and to go where where is he trying to get?

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 2>To question? Well, because you know I joked earlier about

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>making a run for the border. Yeah, but it's not

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 2>like he was actually close to the Canadian border where

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>they are in Vermont. It's like sixty miles, like fifty

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 2>to seventy miles, So i'll say sixty miles away. That's

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a drive on a John Deere tractor.

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>That is.

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Now, that's like a plot of like a movie, you know,

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 2>trying to make the run for the border.

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>You have to stop and fill up that tank right now.

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 2>The next update the please share with the public is

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>that Edson's still at large, is driving around the area,

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 2>but he'd stolen a new vehicle. Oh no, don't worry.

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I won't make you guess this time. I'll just tell

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 2>you what it is. Or rather I'll let the Burlington

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 2>and Fairfax pd tell you. According to the latest bulletin

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>on the ongoing man hunt, Edson had stolen yet another

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 2>slow moving get away vehicle, as a Burlington DPD put

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>it quote. Surveillance footage showed Edson on Goose Pond Road

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 2>in Fairfax on Wednesday. One image shows him approaching the

0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 2>door of her residence. The second shows him operating a

0:31:59.880 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>stolen dump truck. A dump truck Elizabeth, he's now harmed

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>in dangerous hi giraffe eyebrows driving a stolen dump truck

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>around the backwards of Vermont.

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>You gotta give him credit, though they haven't caught him yet.

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's apparently working. So how far can he possibly

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 2>get in a stolen dump truck? And what is he

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 2>going to steal next? Well, rather than tell you that,

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 2>I'd like you to close your eyes and I'd like

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 2>you to picture it. It's a calm Thursday in September,

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 2>September seventh, twenty twenty three, to be exact. And you, Elizabeth,

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>are working as a game warden for the Vermont Department

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 2>of Fish and Wildlife. It's early afternoon, just after lunchtime

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>for lunch, you enjoyed one of those bowls of ruffage

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 2>you like rabbit food your coworkers like to call it. Anyway,

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Just after you finish your rabbit food lunch, your radio

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>squawks to light A tip has been called in. The

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>notorious land pirate Eric Edson has been spotted all no

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 2>longer driving the stolen dump truck. You hear the report

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>that he's been seeing on the Lambiel River paddling what's

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 2>presumed to be a stolen kayak. You know you're not

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>that far from the river, so you run to your truck,

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>fired up and head over to the location where Edson

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>was last spotted. When you arrived there, there's a makeshift

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>task force of multiple law enforcement agencies in their vehicles.

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 2>There's all kinds of cop cars from neighboring towns parked

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>alongside trucks from your co workers at the Vermont Department

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 2>of Fish and Wildlife. You hop out and use your

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 2>radio to find out the latest. Your radio squawks again

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 2>with a report back. Edson is still on the river.

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>You head down to the water's edge, not far from

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Vermont Route one oh four A, and you stomp your

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 2>way through the underbrush of twigs and summer dried leaves.

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>You hear someone a splashing in the river. When you

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 2>break through the woods, you spot it there. He is

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>paddling like hell, headed up river. You call out to him, Eric, Edson,

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>we have you surrounded. Edson spins around on a kayak

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and spots you on the northern bank of the river.

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Then he cranes his neck around the other way. It

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>sees all kinds of cops pushing through the woods on

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 2>the southern bank of the river. He decides to chance

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>it on your side. He paddles towards you on the

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 2>northern bank. You snake through the trees and try to

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 2>catch up to him before he can disappear again into

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the woods. You call out again, Edson, freeze, you're under arrest.

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.280
<v Speaker 2>That's about as useless as bring an all beef franks

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.959
<v Speaker 2>to a vegan pot. Look Edson sets foot on dry

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:19.320
<v Speaker 2>land and immediately starts running. You give chase. The twigs

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>and leaves sound beneath your hiking boots. You're far faster

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 2>than he expects you are. You draw within about twenty

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 2>feet of him to get away. He decides to double

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 2>back for the river. He stops running when he reaches

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 2>a wide flat rock at the river shore. He turns

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 2>back and yells, oh innocent. You look at him like

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Lee Jones, and you coolly tell him I don't care.

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>In response, he turns towards the river and he jumps

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>off the wide flat rock with a mighty splash. He

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 2>drops back into the river. Then he attempts to slim across.

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You watch from the shore as he tries to make

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:54.439
<v Speaker 2>it across that wide, slow moving river. He does make

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 2>it on the southern bank. He crawls out, sopping wet.

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.760
<v Speaker 2>He waves back at you and then disappears into the woods.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 2>You can hear the cops on the other side as

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 2>they spot them, and they release the dogs. Moments later,

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>you're radio squawks to life again. Eric Heedsen has been

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 2>caught near the Georgia Mountain Road. You may not have

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 2>caught him, but you're damn sure glad you did your

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>part to bring in the most wanted man, the ever

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 2>slippery Eric Edson. Nice work, game Ward and Elizabeth, thank you.

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 2>As soon as he's busted, Eric Edson requests a medical evaluation.

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 2>That means fire and rescue. You have to come out.

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.400
<v Speaker 2>And now we got a larger task force. Members of

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.720
<v Speaker 2>the Milton Police Department and the Franklin County Sheriff's Office

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I just keep naming. They're also on the scene to

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>provide support when Edson's taken into custody. Not to mention

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>the Colchester and the Essex Police departments who also dispatched

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 2>resources to assist. What a chase. It was like the fugitive,

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.240
<v Speaker 2>except in your case. Eventually, you and all these cops

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 2>and game Wards and Coast guardsmen, you all finally get

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.839
<v Speaker 2>your man. So let's take a little break and now

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 2>he's been caught. Catch a breather, and when we get back,

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.439
<v Speaker 2>we'll find out what justice looks like for a land

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 2>pirate in Vermont. That look like we're back, Elizabethaber. You

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 2>ready to hear how this mad methkaper comes to a

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 2>tiger close? Yes, well, now that Eric Edson is caught,

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>what does justice look like? Well? Edson goes to court

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.319
<v Speaker 2>the very next day, on Friday, just one day after

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>all you apprehended him, and just like he said to you,

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 2>he denies it was him. I'm innocent, as the local

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 2>headlines proclaimed, armed robbery suspect who evaded police for a

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>week denies charges in court, which makes perfect sense. I

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 2>mean he's facing multiple charges. Of course, you know he's

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 2>going to do his best impression of the singer Shaggy

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 2>and say it wasn't me.

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>He's got to have a public defender, and they're always

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>pushing for just kind of deals.

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh pretty much. So when he's standing there in the

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Crittenden County Superior County Criminal Court, Edson enters a not

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 2>guilty plea at his arraignment. The charges he's facing, by

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 2>the way, are assault for how he tossed the two

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>cops from the wellness check sure when he first fled.

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:11.879
<v Speaker 2>And then also he's got the original robbery charges from

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the Sierra Trading Post and forget that which involved a

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>weapon allegedly, right, and then you have to add in

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 2>all of the stolen vehicles. For instance, Elizabeth. For just

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>the stolen sailboat, Edson faced quote two counts of unauthorized

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 2>use of a boat and three counts of careless and

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 2>negligent operation of a vessel as the result of the

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 2>alleged theft of a sailboat. Yeah, so he's facing multiple

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:35.880
<v Speaker 2>charges just from the seilboat. And then you add in

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>the stolen bike, the stolen John Dear tractor, don't forget

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 2>the dump truck. Each of those separate charges with the

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 2>related driving charges anytime he got he was He's not

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 2>like he was speeding, but you know, reckless endangerment. Of course,

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 2>there's also the charges for running from the law. Naturally,

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the judge recognizes that Edson is what we call a

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 2>clear flight risk. Yeah, that's his whole mo. So the

0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 2>judge orders have held without bail. Edson gets locked up

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>the north West State Correctional Facility in Saint Albans, Vermont.

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps his time behind bars allows him to like sober up.

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but he eventually realizes what sort of

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>time he's going to be facing. So because he recants,

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 2>he's not guilty, plead Instead, Edson takes a plea deal.

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, he gets offered a pleae deal. Yeah,

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.319
<v Speaker 2>but that was just the local charges. Edson was still

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 2>facing federal charges Coastcard.

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>So you see, the day after he was first caught,

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 2>a federal grand jury had been convened, and the federal

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 2>grand jury returned to simple one count indictment based on

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the Hobbes Act. What's well, on November eighth, he settles

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 2>those federal charges because he accepted an offer from the

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 2>US Attorney's office that was to settle the charges that

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 2>he violated the Hobbs Act. And as you are wondering, Zaren,

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 2>what the heck is the Hobbs Act, I asked the

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 2>bust question the absolute best. I'm really glad you asked,

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 2>because according to the Department of Justice, the Hobbs Act

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 2>quote is prohibits actual or attempted robbery or extortion affecting

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>interstate or foreign commerce. Maybe maybe wondering how does that

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>apply in this instance? Well, luckily the DOJ helpfully explains

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>on its website. Although the Hobs Act was enacted as

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 2>a statute to combat racketeering and labor management disputes, the

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.720
<v Speaker 2>statute is frequently used in connection with cases involving public corruption,

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>commercial disputes, violent criminals and street gangs, and corruption directed

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 2>at members of labor unions.

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>And I still am not seeing how that.

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing Edson qualifies as a violent criminal because at

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 2>the Sierra Trading Post having been gone, it starts us

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 2>all off. Or perhaps he's a one man street gang.

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 2>Who knows, or perhaps the maybe the Sierra Trading Post

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:37.879
<v Speaker 2>was a member for labor union this was I don't know.

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 2>But in response to his plea deal in December of

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, Edson was convicted and sentenced to four

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 2>years in federal prison with a subsequent three years of

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 2>supervised release, which means he got less time for this

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 2>one than the first one I told you about.

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it is justice.

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.320
<v Speaker 2>And so ends the mad Methkaper of the Land Pirate.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 2>The Burlington bandit. So what's a ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth.

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, I think stay off drugs.

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 2>That's a good one.

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 1>And always you always have to think through like what

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 1>am I seeking here? What relief do I seek? Or

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.240
<v Speaker 1>what outcome am I seeking?

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just.

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Really curious, like if you were to sit him down

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.839
<v Speaker 1>and try and get him clear headed and say, how

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>do you see this completely playing out?

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, totally. I don't think he's the endgame. I

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 2>don't think he ever had one. I mean based on

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 2>his like, oh, I'm going to steal the dump truck,

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm a steal a tractor. I think he was very

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 2>much as you know some of like the life coaches

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 2>that some of the Buddhists might say is live in

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the moment. He was very much living in the moment.

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, and as I harp on impulse control, yes, he

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>has zero.

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Slow and low. It is the tempo.

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like the thought crosses his mind and he

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>just does it. There's zero impulse control. So his impulse

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.319
<v Speaker 1>is I have to run. I have to get away.

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 1>They can't catch me.

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can't get caught again? Are you going back?

0:40:58.600 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>So there's a boat, so.

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And also sailboats that seems fun.

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 1>You know who doesn't like them?

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.359
<v Speaker 2>The other ones run out again, this doesn't run out

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 2>of wind.

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 1>That's right, I can just go forever, Zaren, what's your

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>ridiculous Oh thank you for asking?

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 2>What day is it? My birthday is? Wow. Well, since

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:18.280
<v Speaker 2>you're interested, I will say this, how many Keystone cops

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 2>in Vermont did it take to catch him? How many

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.280
<v Speaker 2>agencies did I list off? I mean I lost track personally,

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know.

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Human hours dedicated to this one right goofball?

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm just I was blown away, like how many?

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm like, you guys like there's like thirty five

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 2>cops involved, maybe seventy five. I have no idea. This

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 2>is a ridiculous number. And then you guys are still

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>like it took them weeks to catch up.

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 1>That's what I can.

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 2>And these are small towns. It's like, can you just

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 2>like cordon off the parts of the streets and be like, Okay,

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I know he's in the woods and stuff, but I mean, like.

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.839
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, if he were down in the South.

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>It would have shot him. No, they had when I lived.

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Down there, on the news, when people would do these

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:58.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of things. They drag their mama out and the

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>mom wol you got to come in. You got to

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>come in. You cannot do this. You are hurting me,

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 1>you are hurting our family. And then like you know,

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 1>the next day he turns himself in.

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.319
<v Speaker 2>I like that. We both went into junior immediately. You

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 2>just know exactly that is so true though, this is

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 2>exactly what would happened in this out. They would they

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 2>pull out mama and she a big, big mob either

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>one whoever's living, and he's the oldest woman in the family, right,

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.359
<v Speaker 2>and she's gonna like shame him for what he's done and.

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Tell him like this, this ain't right. You have got

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>to come home. You've got to turn yourself in.

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 2>And nine times nine times it's amazing. So you in

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:37.879
<v Speaker 2>the mood for a talkback and watch this all down

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<v Speaker 2>talkbacks pretucerd can you favor us with one? Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>because I love ge.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell over, dude. Just someone goes out to a visit.

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<v Speaker 3>But check out the Note Gallery. It has everything from

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<v Speaker 3>art forgeries and how do you say cucumber. Alec Baldwin

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<v Speaker 3>did a podcast on.

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<v Speaker 4>It, and the art director of the gallery who only

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<v Speaker 4>bought the forged painting because it had a signature that

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<v Speaker 4>misspelled Jackson Pollock's name.

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<v Speaker 3>Check it out, love you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye, Oh my god, that's incredible typo.

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<v Speaker 2>But is that legal protection?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, this is Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Pollack Colick Pollick. Yeah, that actually could that's good cover?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Is it a crime off by one letter? Go?

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<v Speaker 2>I love it well as always. You can find us

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<v Speaker 2>online Ridiculous Crime on social media that's mostly Instagram and

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<v Speaker 2>the crimes we talk about and other delectable bits. And

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<v Speaker 2>on blue Sky you can find uh, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>good links. So there you go. And also we have

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<v Speaker 2>our account Ridiculous Crime Pod on YouTube. There you see

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<v Speaker 2>a really cool version of animated version and not of

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<v Speaker 2>the story, but of us telling the story. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have our website ridiculous Crime dot com, which I

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<v Speaker 2>believe is up for a Nobel Peace Prize. Don't tell

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<v Speaker 2>the President. Yes. Finally, and obviously we love your talkback,

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<v Speaker 2>you for listening. We will catch you next crime. Ridiculous Crime.

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